The term 'stupid' (and all other related references to stupidity) is often used as an insult in the UK - this is something quite universal, but Brits are extremely sensitive about labelling someone as stupid. I have spoken to a school teacher here in London about this and they have to be very careful never to call a student stupid even if the student clearly has demonstrated stupidity. So it is okay to say something like, "You realize that you have acted in a very stupid manner by setting fire to your classmate's hair." So you are labelling the act of setting someone's hair on fire as stupid but not the student himself as stupid - that's the line British teachers cannot cross.
Contrast that to my experience as a student in Singapore - oh the teachers had no qualms about calling you stupid. They didn't bother distinguishing an act of stupidity or a person who is genuinely stupid. So if we take the same act of setting fire to your friend's hair, the Singaporean teacher would probably scream, "Why are you so stupid?! How could you do that, stupid?!" You get the idea - there is far less of a taboo associated with the word 'stupid'.
I remember when I got to the end of primary 5 (age 11) in my primary school - the students were streamed at that stage and there were four classes to go to - the best 6AA was for the smartest kids, then 6A was for the next best batch, then you had 6BB after that and 6B was for the very worst students. I remember asking, that sounds odd - why not just go 6A, 6B, 6C, 6D instead of this AA and BB business? It turns out that the principal was afraid that the students who ended up in the worst class would be stigmatised as 'stupid' as 6D sounded terrible, so he came up with that idea as 6B sounds much better than 6D (frequently labelled as 6-Dumb or 6-Donkeys). You can change the name of the class but you can't change Singaporean culture - the kids in 6B were labelled 6-Bodoh (Malay: stupid) by the rest of the school despite the form teacher's attempt to label them 6-Brilliant.
Now contrast that to the UK where you tend not to have any kind of streaming - for the majority of the students, they simply go to the school which is nearest where they live. You will get in a class a whole range of students of all kinds of abilities - from the super smart to the barely literate. The culture is to encourage those of different abilities to mix, rather than separate them. The rationale of that I suppose is based on the presumption that children of different academic abilities can still be friends, socialize together and play together. It is believed that the smarter students would encourage and help the weaker ones, even if one child will grow up to be a hedge fund manager whilst the other will end up scrubbing the floors and toilets of the hedge fund manager's office. Perhaps that hedge fund manager will notice that the new cleaner is his old friend from primary school and show some kindness to his old pal from all those years ago. This creates the kind of social cohesion that is an antidote to elitism.
But what does this tell us about British society and streaming? Even an idiot like Prince Harry was given a place in Eton - they didn't behave like a Singaporean school, they weren't worried that he would drag their standard down. And after Eton, Prince Harry went to Sandhurst, who again didn't care that he was evidently stupid. Okay, it was his royal status that made Eton and Sandhurst bend the rules for Prince Harry - but what does this tell us about British society?
The attitude in Singapore is quite different - culturally we have this obsession with good grades. They indicate that the student understands the function of delaying pleasure for greater results in the long run: I may rather be watching TV now for that is fun, but in revising for my exams, I am making a long term sacrifice so I will have a better future with my better exam results. Asian parents are assured when they see their children studying hard instead of outside, playing with their friends - this is taken as a sign of good character. That is why those who are unable to follow this simple formula are labelled stupid. From young, this formula was drilled into my head: study hard + make sacrifices now = good results, good future. Those who tried to apply this formula but still ended up with bad results are labelled stupid.
What if she still had bad results after studying very hard? |
Actually we have a far more accurate term in Hokkien, bueh tak chek ("can't study") - this is not to be confused with boh tak chek ("haven't studied" ie. uneducated). So we make a distinction between someone who has tried hard to study but still fails his exams as opposed to someone like Sir Alan Sugar who may be naturally very bright but for some reason has not completed his formal education.Whereas someone like Prince Harry who went to the best school in the country and cheated in his exams only to get a B and a D at his A level exams - now that's clearly a case of bueh tak chek.
Back to Ziege in my show - why did I label her stupid? It is through our conversations that I have found terribly mundane, the only thing that she has going for her is that she is German - now I speak some German and when I am trying to speak German with her, she can correct my mistakes and teach me new words. I did find learning German from her very interesting - but when we are in the company of others who do not speak German, we would default to English and she finds it hard to contribute to any conversation when we get intellectual. I get the feeling she spends her days watching vapid reality TV programmes, reading up on the latest gossip on celebrities in magazines and pays virtually no attention to current affairs. Does that make her merely shallow or is she stupid?
Ziege just looked puzzled that we would take such interest in her country and she replied, "Who is Cyprus? And why would Angel Merkel care about her?" We just gave each other a look of 'why did we even bother asking her in the first place' despair. That's right, she ask WHO is Cyprus, not WHERE is Cyprus. A German speaking member of the cast translated the question into German for Ziege and she laughed. She said in English, "Oh I understood you in English fine, I still don't know who this Cyprus is in German or English! My English is pretty good you know, I am not stupid."
Also this week, a performer lost his balance and stumbled during a movement sequence as part of the show. It is the kind of accident that can happen with any performance and indeed, Ziege has to perform the same sequence and I've seen her stumble on a number of occasions. However, Ziege was the only one who laughed at the performer when he lost his balance whilst the rest of us thought it was a pretty tasteless thing to do. When someone makes a mistake like that, it is just unkind to mock them by laughing at them - this is not the way you treat your colleagues. However, I didn't think that Ziege was being malicious or that she was mocking her colleague, no. It was the kind of slapstick humour - a man losing his balance and tripping - that would appeal to her. Plain slapstick humour. That's just the wavelength she is on - whilst others would simply have the better sense to react differently to a fellow performer stumbling in front of the audience.
Perhaps that is why she gets along so well with Calvo - despite the cultural differences they share one thing in common: that kind of simpleton mentality which epitomizes the bueh tak chek mindset, making them kindred spirits. When they get together, they can laugh at vapid, silly things together without fearing judgement from anyone. Birds of a feather, flock together. I can totally see how that works in real life and it's not that I am being mean to her when I label her stupid, I am merely describing what I observe.
What do you call someone who isn't clever? |
So why did people react so negatively to me calling her stupid then? Maybe it is the lack of distinction in English between bueh tak chek and boh tak chek. Maybe people thought that I was being elitist and snobbish for discriminating against someone who may not have had the opportunity to go to a good university, to become academically refined. Or maybe, some people are willing to give her the benefit of the doubt - like maybe she doesn't know that Cyprus is a country, but give her a topic that she cares about and she would be able to speak very intelligently about it. Or maybe, they are worried that if someone like Ziege can be labelled stupid, then they could well be labelled stupid too - that is why they react so angrily, so personally to someone like Ziege being labelled bluntly as stupid, rather than something a little more tactful like naive, child-like or simple.
After all, I go back to the IQ bell curve - surely some people will end up on the wrong side of that bell curve. It's harsh but true - so what do you call people who find themselves on the wrong side of that bell curve then? Is stupid an accurate but simply un-PC term?
I talked about this issue with a British person as I wanted to understand the British mindset - as to why there was such a negative reaction towards my use of the word 'stupid'. He said, "Even if you do have plenty of evidence that points to the fact that Ziege isn't particularly clever, you still should not call her stupid for it is cruel. Why can't you just settle for saying something like 'she isn't very clever' without using the word 'stupid'"?
That was when I said it was just splitting hairs. What do you call someone who isn't clever? Stupid. We're dealing with opposites here. Take a statement like, "Oh the weather isn't warm today" - that means "it is cold today." Or "this restaurant is not cheap at all" - that means it is an expensive place to dine. What could you possibly gain by calling Ziege "not clever" rather than stupid? He conceded that we're simply dealing with opposites here, but still there is a culture of giving someone a chance here in Britain.
That Japanese restaurant isn't cheap at all = ?? |
"Take Prince Harry for example - we all know that he isn't academically gifted, we all know how he struggled at Eton and had poor results. But he still managed to get a job as a helicopter pilot - that is hardly an easy job! Now that just goes to show that you can get crap grades at A levels and still go on to get a good job in this country. If you had condemned him as plain stupid because of his poor A level grades, then you deny him the chance to prove himself in other fields in life. So maybe Ziege doesn't come across as particularly clever in the conversations you've had with her over the last three months and you're entitled to have an opinion about her - but our society would never condemn her the way Singaporean society would. Clearly, she has managed to get herself a part in your show and is performing alongside you - someone did see something in her even if you didn't. Surely that counts for something. Are you willing to acknowledge that?"
So there you go - I am happy and willing to allow my very Singaporean mindset to be challenged on the issue of labelling someone 'stupid'. What do you think? Is it wrong to label someone as stupid because they perform poorly at school or if they simply come across as not particularly clever when you interact with them? Do you believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt? Or are you happy to say, "so much for being political correct, fuck it, I know a stupid person when I see one". Let me know what you think - leave a comment below, thanks.
Is calling someone stupid going just a step too far? |
Hi LIFT,
ReplyDeleteMy secondary school transcript gave me a "C" for intelligence. When I approached my form teacher to challenge that grading, he gently told me that there were rules on grading the intelligence of the students based on our academic performance and that he could not change the grade based on the rules. Years later, I found that my IQ is amongst the top 1% of the bell curve. So was I stupid or what? Go figure!
You see, what people did not know was my "mediocre" academic performance was despite the challenges I faced both at home and socially.
http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2013/03/death-of-clinically-depressed.html
Thus, IMHO, it is best not to be so quick to judge others. In fact, avoid judgement of a person where possible. If needed, one can comment on his/her behaviour or choices. To label a person is to condemn him/her to a certain life. But to label his/her behaviour or choices, it is something that he/she can change and possibly have a chance in life. Therein lies the difference. Perhaps that's just the ENFP (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) in me to prefer the British (and also Canadian) "culture of giving someone a chance" over the Singaporean "sieve and sort them" approach.
As for the bullying incident that you mentioned in week 8, I will not judge you or your actions. I know that it is hard in a bitchy environment to stand up for kindness and whatever other values that one may possess. That said, I want to share with you readers my 2 cents: There are seemingly highly functional persons who crash "suddenly" for "no reason". After all, we will never know what may be the last straw that breaks a camel's back.
http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2013/03/death-of-clinically-depressed.html
Cheers, WD.
Hi WD. You said it is best not to be so quick to judge others... but what if we're talking about people I have worked with since the beginning of the year? I have known Ziege and Calvo for 3 months already and have worked with them - I have seen the way they deal with challenges, the way they talk about themselves and the way they express their ideas over the period of working side by side with them for 3 months. it is not like I am dismissing someone as stupid after one afternoon.
DeleteAnd as for keeping quiet when people were playing pranks were Calvo - this continued into this week and escalated. Again, I kept quiet and looked the other way as I only have one show left tomorrow. Why bother? It's so much easier to look the other way and just pretend I didn't see a think. More on the final letter which I will write after tomorrow's last show.
Hi LIFT,
DeleteSo ok, you feel that Ziege and Calvo are not smart and you know that well enough based on 3 months of working together. Plus, you're blogging and Ziege and Clavo will *NEVER* come across your blog, so they will *NEVER* know that you've labelled them "stupid". And thus, it's not going to hurt them, right?
Fair enough. I am not interested in being P.C. police. In any case, I recognize that there are times when we have to call a spade a spade. [Besides, I am no saint myself. I do need reminders when I cross the line myself, no thanks to our common cultural heritage.]
But you know what? Your blog shows your inherent judgement of people's worth. In fact, it is clearly in your subconscious as every time you blog about someone/something that you are annoyed with, you would call the target "stupid" or write them off because they "probably have miserable lives" given that they earn way less than you do. IMHO, this is something that frankly you're not 100% to be blamed, given the cultural background that you grew up in.
What if, *touch wood*, one day due to some accident/illness you lost your intellectual and/or earning ability to fall to the wrong side of the bell curve. How are you going to justify your own worth then? What would be most painful is if you become intellectually handicapped, but not so "stupid" such that you're aware of your previous intellectual/earning ability, yet you know that you can never regain your former glory. Imagine what would happen to your self-esteem then? Imagine if others call you "stupid" then. How would you feel? Is your life less worthy (humanly) because of your drop in intelligence (over which you have no control) and/or earning power?
Finally I guess that you may be temporary in a bad state given the prolonged period of high stress and insufficient rest. Maybe when time passes and you achieve some detachment from the matter, you will take a different perspective. After all, calling a "stupid" person "stupid" will not make you any smarter or your own life any better* (in concrete terms). Instead it gets you lots of "controversial nonsense". Unless you're actively seeking controversy, I don't know how "smart" your approach is, when using "not so smart" instead is simply a few keystrokes away.
Cheers, WD.
*p.s. If calling someone else stupid can indeed make the smarter person's life better (in concrete terms), please let me know. I can surely benefit from going around calling the 99% "stupid" if that were true. * sarcasm*
OK you are an intelligent person WD, so I am going to try to reason with you.
DeleteI have removed all references to the play I am in - I simply said that it was a professional production in the West End of London and I have been extremely fortunate to have been able to be paid to do something I truly enjoy: theatre. In the past (such as during my TV stint in Belgium), when everyone was nice and the work went very well - I have been happy to name the production I was involved in and post some photos, especially since it is highly likely that my readers would be able to watch it on TV this summer. Whereas a play in London, unless you're in London, you're not going to be able to watch it and I found that the drama that happened backstage is far more interesting than the show itself - that is why I chose to talk about this production fairly anonymously.
If I wanted to be malicious WD, believe you me, I am no angel, I am fully capable of being totally evil. I could've joined in and participated in any of the many pranks that the others pulled on Calvo this week - he had a very rough week as we are nearing the end of the production. I wouldn't do the stupid Singaporean thing and bitch about him anonymously (for fuck's sake Calvo is a nick name I gave him - I am not divulging his identity here). Think about it for crying out aloud WD, I know you're intelligent.
If I wanted to hurt him, would I:
1. Blog about it anonymously on the off chance that he may stumble upon my blog one day despite not even knowing it exists
2. Take direct action by joining in with the others who are doing a different, more elaborate prank on him every day this week.
Duh WD. Really. Duh. I am writing this blog to voice my inner thoughts, to talk about my experiences, rather than to attempt to 'hurt' or insult anyone - why? Because if I wanted to hurt or insult anyone, I'd do it to their face, in a direct manner or at least have joined in the others who were doing those pranks.
Let me talk about a different guy in the show - I am v good friends with him and he's the fattest guy in the show. Let's call him Mr Big. He knows that people are making jokes about his figure behind his back and he confided in me the other night that he overheard one of the supermodel good looking girls making a rather crude joke about him being so ugly and wobbly that she felt like throwing up when she saw him in his underwear when she went to the men's changing room the other day. Of course, I was most sympathetic - Mr Big is ... big. He is aware of the fact that he is larger than life in more ways than one - that doesn't give that actress any excuse to make fun of his size of course, but in his own words, "Yes I know I am big, I am fat, I am huge - but I don't need people to remind me that I am fat like that."
Would it come as a complete shock to Calvo or Ziege if they found out that someone had thought that they came across as stupid? Were they under illusions that they were in fact super high IQ geniuses? Maybe Calvo would think that given that he is probably autistic with Asperger's Syndrome - but Ziege is probably aware of what others think about her, or at least aware that she isn't particularly smart. There's a difference between being painfully oblivious to your surroundings and being plain stupid. During that conversation about Cyprus, when it was explained to her (in German and in English) what the issue was and how she had misunderstood it, she did become very embarrassed that she had exposed her ignorance. She may not be that smart, but she isn't that blur that she doesn't notice when people think she is stupid. Calvo on the other hand would remain blissfully unaware - thanks to his Apserger's Syndrome.
As for the rest of your PC speech about 'what if you became ...' - now I just rolled my eyes at what you wrote. Yes you know I am a product of the Singaporean system and the kind of behaviour I am displaying here in very typically Singaporean - like I said, you can take the boy out of Singapore but you can't take Singapore out of the boy. All I can say is that you should be familiar with my brutally frank approach on my blog, I don't dance around the issue, I don't try to be PC and use polite language - I call a spade a spade and if I think someone is stupid, I would say so.
DeleteIf no one was stupid, if no one was devoid of talent, then we would all have phDs, win noble prizes and become millionaires. Sorry WD, I am just not in the mood to be of the sayang-sayang brigade. We live in a world where there are people who end up doing dead end jobs or unemployed for no other reasons than their low IQ - I am not discriminating against them but I am merely saying that as a fact, as a function of the IQ bell curve. OK you had a teacher who tried to label you as stupid when you're clearly not - but you now have a personal vendetta against anyone who tries to use the label stupid when clearly, people on the wrong side of the IQ bell curve are 'less intelligent' (pick whatever word(s) you want) than those on the right side of the IQ bell curve. I get the feeling you want to be so PC, so sayang-sayang and loving and give everyone on the wrong side of the IQ bell curve a big hug and a pep talk to encourage them - that is so super sweet of you, but it just doesn't change the fact that they're not that smart. No it doesn't make me smarter if I called Ziege stupid - but it doesn't make her any more intelligent either if I treated her as if she was smart.
And more importantly, the way I excused her racist joke was based entirely on my perception that she is simply not a very sophisticated, educated and intelligent person on the wrong side of the IQ curve and as someone coming from other side of the IQ curve, I was compelled to be compassionate, kind and understanding - which I have been. I am merely sharing my internal thoughts with my readers, explaining to them why I made those choices and I cannot give the full story without explaining to them that I do believe that Ziege is plain stupid.
And if you have such a problem with me conveying that thought to my readers, then what do you want me to say? Sorry I hurt your politically correct feelings because it dragged up some memory about some teacher in Singapore from years ago that I knew nothing about and has nothing to do with me or how I feel about Ziege? Duh. Come on WD. Get real. You're smarter than that.
Hi LIFT,
DeleteGood that you agree that calling people "stupid" does not benefit the smart person in any way. Ok, now let us look at the other side of the coin, the impact of labelling on the targeted persons.
For fucks sake, do not assume that everyone who uses Calvo and Ziege do not know that you're not using their real names. Get real, anyone who traces your blog long enough (with your real name and photos of you included from previous posts) and who were part of the London theatre production (or maybe even watched the show) may know who you're referring to. That said, I agree that you're not responsible for how they feel should that happen. Life is harsh, they have to learn to deal with it. If they are lucky, they would work hard in self-development and together with enough support, guidance and opportunity, they get to change their behaviour/perspectives to obtain better futures. That is the reality. The other reality is also that some who are not lucky and cannot deal with it, take to suicide as an option -- it is a side-effect of bullying.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Amanda_Todd
In the words of Mr Big, "Yes I know I am big, I am fat, I am huge - but I don't need people to remind me that I am fat like that."
Do you think "stupid" people don't know that they are "stupid"? How many "stupid" friends do you have? If you have any, have you ever asked them how they feel when others make fun of them due to their "stupidity"? Do "stupid" people deserve to be hurt callously the same way that Mr Big being hurt, even if it is done behind their backs? Of course we cannot control the actions of others in life, so those who are "short on natural gifts" have no choice but to learn to deal with this harsh reality of life.
But for an intelligent person (whom I believe to be generally kind and helpful, based on your blog posts) like you to excuse your own behaviour because "everyone else is doing it and I am not participating, I am just letting the nasty things happen" to the target? Well, IMHO, you're lowering yourself to the levels of the bullies by giving them social cache as a silent observer (that's not my opinion, that is an observation made by researchers in the field of relational-agression/bullying). That said, as I have written earlier, it is hard to stand up to one's value of kindness and what not's in a bitchy environment. Believe me, I have done it before too -- and I am thankful when my friends let me know when I have crossed the line. And when I see my friends do it, I let them know when they have crossed the line too.
http://winkingdoll.blogspot.ca/2012/06/gnie-calling-out-bully.html
To be continued...
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DeleteYou have made an assumption that I brought up my school teacher's evaluation because I am *still* personally hurt over the matter. You're wrong. You are making an assumption about how I feel and then attacking my arguments based on that. Sorry, man, you've missed the mark. I dare to share the matter to the public (your readers) because I am well and throughly over it. [I hope you don't think I am so "stupid" as to invite strangers comments/attacks on something that I am still dealing with personally. Surely someone who survived for almost a decade in the cut-throat banking/financial-services industry, like yourself, would be smarter than that?] In fact, to me, it sometimes comes of as an excellent joke (or a rhetoric, as above) or a motivational story. E.g. I sometimes share with my discouraged students (see next paragraph), "You know what? Don't let others labelling you 'stupid' or 'average' stop you from trying to make something out of your life. After all, I have been labelled as 'C for intelligence' but I ended up in university."
LIFT, I have around a decade of voluntary tutoring experience with those who are underprivileged or vulnerable in Singapore. Many of those I tutored have been labelled "stupid" by their teachers, families, friends and even strangers. Would I be helping the "stupid" students by telling them that they are "stupid" -- something which they probably already know by themselves and/or from the relentless reminders from their teachers, families, friends and strangers? Of course many of them will not become billionaires or millionaires, nor make it to branded schools/universities. But it does not mean that their lives are condemned to "sweeping roads and cleaning toilets" (to borrow the typical Singaporean phrase). How many of them were labelled "stupid" because of a lack of supportive home environment for academic pursuits? How many has other skills and talents that they have not thought of exploring because they were given the "you're stupid, your life is sealed" bullshit? All I can say is, one has to volunteer in such a capacity to see the impact "labelling" has on these young lives. Thankfully, with the right guidance and their own perseverance, some rose above their circumstances and limitations to make something of their lives. Some of my former students had gone into nursing, army, banking, administration, etc. (Ok, I do not know of any who became millionaires or hold big job titles, but unlike the typical Singaporeans, I do not judge a person's worth based solely on their income/wealth and/or job titles). I know that many of LIFT's readers are also from Singapore. I want to take this chance to share with our fellow Singaporeans the impact that our competitive "sieve-and-sort them" culture has on the young Singaporeans.
[To be continued...]
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DeleteThat said, I understand that you are just a colleague. As such, I agree with you wholly that it is not your duty to befriend or help those 2 folks. [In fact, I agree that you were pulling your punches when you did not insist that they were fired over the racist joke.] I agree that you have a right to choose to be a silent observer too, for I understand too well the bullying climate, and that few will have the will+courage to stand up against bullying under such circumstances. I just want to take the opportunity to draw you to the bigger pictures of "labelling" and "bullying". In addition, to point out your reflex-thinking, which you agreed that is in-build in us due to our cultural heritage. By openly reflecting the pros-and-cons of our cultural heritage (and perhaps for other Singaporeans to read/join in the discussion), Singaporeans can decide individually if/how they want to make any changes in their lives and thereby collectively change the culture over time.
Lastly, just to throw a spanner into the works. "Stupid" has varying degrees and different dimensions. My bueh-tak-check friend from primary school (who probably has mild Down Syndrome) often confided with me on the interpersonal dynamics between herself and others and also between her family members. She is aware of the issues, she just isn't "smart" enough to resolve them or react to them in a way that does not hurt herself. IMHO, to assume that someone with Apserger's Syndrome is "blissfully unaware" because he/she may not know how to react to the anger/bullying directed at him/her is presumptuous. For all you know, acting "blissfully unaware" may be his best performance ever.
Cheers, WD.
p.s. Has it occur to the cast members bullying the 2 folks that they are breaking the same law which you sought protection (from w.r.t. the racist joke incident)? That is, an individual has a right to a workplace that is respectful and one that would not mentally hurt or isolate a person in a workplace. See below for the url to the B.C., Canada equivalent of the law.
Deletehttp://www2.worksafebc.com/Topics/Violence/Resources-BullyingAndHarassment.asp
Your sharing illustrates a universal truth, another harsh reality of life. No matter how "justice is blind" in the way the law is written, the access to justice tends to favour the privileged -- be it a privilege of the articulation (e.g. in your case where you can speak up clearly about your experience), or social connection (re: Woffles scandal), etc. The group who bullied the 2 targets of the theatre cast are lucky that their targets are not privileged enough (i.e. not smart and/or articulate enough) to advocate for their own rights.
OK WD, you've said your piece but you've left me INCREDIBLY frustrated because you seem to be totally ignoring everything i have said in my blog in the previous few weeks. You have conveniently ignored the fact that Calvo has really brought this upon himself - please lah, he never ever helps others in terms of clearing up his props/equipment after use and expects others to pick up his stuff. This was why he was targeted by the pranksters. You don't get away with this kind of selfish behaviour in primary school, you wouldn't get away with this kind of behaviour in the army and surprise surprise, you don't get away this kind of behaviour in the working world - quelle surprise. I wonder why you insist on deceiving yourself that Calvo is some kind of misunderstood angel with a heart of gold when really, he is a pretty nasty piece of work who has been disliked by practically everyone he has worked with. I have been especially nice to him (well, polite with him, even today, engaging in small talk) and if the others have an issue with him - that's between them and him.
DeleteThere's a part of me that says, if I were to step in and stop the pranks, he would never learn that there are consequences to his behaviour - he would continue to annoy people (eg. by telling racist jokes) and act in a selfish way (by not helping others). I don't even need to like a person to want to help him/her - on my way home tonight, I saw a young lady being harassed by two young men in the street and she was saying, 'please leave me alone' but they wouldn't. I went up to her and said, 'are these two bothering you?' I could have potentially gotten into a lot of trouble if the two men turned on me - but I had to do the right thing and protect the young lady. Fortunately, they backed off and left the young lady alone and I walked her to the bus stop and made sure she got on her bus safely.
That is the kind of thing i do for strangers and expect nothing in return - Calvo on the other hand, is not a stranger. He has done so many things to annoy me over the last few weeks that he has eroded any kind of good will on my part to want to step in and help stop the others from pulling pranks on him. How can i spell this out to you WD?
1. If you are nice to me, I will help you if you're in trouble.
2. If you're a stranger, i will still help you if you're in trouble (the young lady tonight, for eg. - i didn't even ask her for her name.)
3. But, if you've annoyed me endlessly and given me sufficient reason to dislike you and have done BAD things to me over the last few months, then don't expect me to help you even if you are in trouble.
Who knows WD, Maybe you would be the kind of person who would have a problem with my moral position with no. 3 but I believe in the principle of treat others as you would want them to treat you. it's tit for tat - Calvo has done some pretty inconsiderate things to me over the last few weeks, I didn't get to list each and every single one of them done on my blog (for doing so would be petty really), but yeah if he had expected me to help him - then he should have invested more effort into treating me better. I let him get away with all those things he's done on the basis of his (probably undiagnosed) Asperger's syndrome, but that's as far as my kindness goes. If he has a problem with the others, that's between him and them - don't expect me to kaypoh. I can't solve his problems and it'll be foolhardy to get involved.
If someone wants to be bo-liao enough to want to track me down, figure out what production i have been in and then try to work out from the pretty long cast list who Ziege and Calvo are - then I say, firstly, good luck to them because there are several Spanish and German actors in the cast to begin with and if someone went to such great lengths to figure them out and then directed them to my blog when they were blissfully unaware of my blog - then I ask you, who's the one trying to stir up trouble now the show is over? That's right, over, finito, the end. It is 3:30 am now and i have just returned from the end of show party. I think my readers are interested to hear about the stories I have to tell but i don't think anyone has any appetite to try to tell Ziege or Calvo that I have bitched about them on my blog - in any case, they face plenty of that in person and behind their backs at work already and what I say here is incredibly mild compared to some of the things said at work. Theatre people are fiercely competitive - they are nice to their friends but get on the wrong side of them and out comes the claws. This is not some primary school classroom where you get to run to the teacher and say, "teacher teacher she scold me" - hell no. This is real life, WD, you're a working professional - surely you have witnessed plenty of office politics and backstabbing bickering amongst colleagues over the years, so what is new? really?
DeleteAs for my silence condoning the bullying - you know what? I don't have a problem with that, tough. If you wanna hate me or stop reading my blog - then that's just too bad WD. Like I explained above, I would even go out of my way to stop a stranger - that young lady in the street tonight - from getting harassed/bullied in the street, but the fact remains that i just don't like Calvo. I have demonstrated understanding for his condition (Asperger's syndrome) - but when I see him getting pranked, there's a part of me that just says, 'serves him right'. If he is not happy, he can take it up with the people who were pranking him or with the company (as his employers) - but you're missing the important message here WD about getting along with your colleagues. Let me turn this around and put you in his shoes.
If we worked together and someone was trying to prank you in a cruel way, I would definitely intervene to help you or stop the prank from happening - UNLESS I felt that a) you deserved it or b) i hate you - hence i refer you back to option a). If I'd like you or even felt neutral abou you, I would step in and help you. So there you go - if you want your colleagues to have your back and look out for you, you have to make sure you treat them well enough to secure that trust and friendship. it mean spending time, effort, energy and money to be there for your friends, to nurture that friendship, to develop that trust and respect.That is what needs to be done in order to make sure you will be okay at work.
Indeed, that is a far more sensible option than treating everyone badly, being selfish and annoying, offending everyone with racist jokes and making enemies with everyone - and then turning around and say, 'everyone hates me and wants to bully me' and that's my cue to say, 'and you wonder WHY?' Geez. Forget your laws on anti-bullying in the workplace for a moment, these are such basic principles about getting along with others that i have learnt in my primary school playground at the age of 7 or 8 simply by interacting with my peers and observing those around me
It's time for you WD to go back to basics and think about the dynamics of a group of children in the playground before you get on your moral high horse on the issue. What is happening here is nothing new - can you see what is going on?
I don't want to write something that I am already going to talk about in my next post but I just want to leave you with a story from my army days. As a woman, you never had the pleasure of serving NS in Singapore, but I am sure you will be able to find parallels in your working life to relate to the points I will be making here.
DeleteIn my unit during my NS days, we had a real mix of all kinds of guys in terms of our education levels - ranging from scholars to those who can't speak English (aka termed Hokkien pengs, but really they were Mandarin rather than Hokkien speaking) as they dropped out of school before the age of 16.
There was a new guy in my unit who was disliked by everyone - let's call him Xin as that's Mandarin for new. Xin came from a very good JC, had great A level results, was applying for many scholarships and top universities and is undoubtedly very, very intelligent. He had this arrogance about him - he felt he was better, smarter than everyone else who wasn't of his elite top 5 JC cslibre. As I didn't go out of my way to remind him - excuse me, you're merely applying for scholarships at this stage, not only did I have even better results than you but I have already been awarded a scholarship already so take that - no, I kept my mouth shut so he assumed a certain superiority over me.
So Xin was busy making enemies, offending people and yes he was also unhelpful - life in the unit, with your fellow soldiers meant living with each other and you HAD to help others. If your colleague has been burdened with a task and you are in a position to help, you really should help him because you can - and maybe next time you're in the same position, others will help you too. It's a golden rule - you do not get away with being selfish. Xin thought otherwise, he didn't help others because he didn't think they deserved his help - he would rather look the other way and pretend that he didn't notice - and even when he was asked, "hey Xin, could you help us out please here?" He would say, "okay, but let me go to the toilet first and I'll be back." Then he would disappear to the toilet and have a 'stomach ache'. I had gone out of my way to help Xin settle into the unit, show him how to do certain tasks and not once did he thank me or returned any favours. He just took it for granted - I could sense that he was a spoilt brat, mummy at home probably did everything for him or he had a maid who just did everything for him at home and he's just used to people helping him out like that and he never had to lift a finger.
Xin suffered the same kind of pranks as Calvo did - yes it may have been back in 1994 and half way around the world when I was half my current age, but guess what? I reacted in exactly the same way. Xin had offended me by assuming that he was smarter than me and was better than me when I actually had far better results and a scholarship. So what did I do when he got bullied like that by the others? I looked the other way - I didn't take part in the pranks but I pretended not to see. There was a part of me that said, "serves you right, you asked for this - you deserve what you get and I don't feel sorry for you." I was not objectively able to look at the situation involving Xin getting pranked because I was too involved having worked with Xin for about 3 months by then - Xin wasn't a stranger (like that lady in the street I helped) - he was someone I worked with, whom I had a history with.
But WD, Xin was from one of the top JCs in Singapore and yes, he had brilliant A level grades and yes he did get a scholarship and yes he did go to one of the top universities on scholarship in the UK eventually. He was anything but stupid - he was super smart. YET, my friend YET he was STILL subjected to exactly the same kind of treatment by his colleagues as Calvo did - what does that tell you?
Delete(Drum roll please...) It means that Calvo wasn't targeted for his stupidity per se, but for his behaviour - like Xin, he refused to help the others in a work environment but was more than happy to take advantage of the kindness of others when they were in a position to help him. Whether you are a brilliant scholar like Xin or someone who's quite the opposite of Xin like Calvo, if you behave in that manner in a work environment then people will hate you, people will not be nice to you and you will make enemies. Some people will go out of their way to punish you (eg. with pranks) and when that happens, even people like me will be happy to look the other way and say, "serves him right".
It has NOTHING to do with intelligence. Xin suffered just like Calvo back in 1994 - but hey, Xin was super intelligent. WD, you seem so incredibly hung up about the label 'stupid' but I hope the story of Xin will remind you that there is more than one factor at play here and you are making the mistake of focussing on one factor and ignoring the others. What do you make of someone like Xin then? Would you feel sorry for him and help him out if he was bullied in your workplace? What would you do?
Hi LIFT, Wow, thanks for taking your time to write such a long reply. Geez, you're really pissed. Oh well, I will reply you on your other blog post.
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A sight digression. Without wanting to go into the particulars of the selective/streamed vs comprehensive/unselective education debate, it is worth noting the Finland, which is at or near the top of international education rankings, has an education system which I understand has no streaming whatsoever. If it is possible to achieve this, then the only reason for not wanting to emulate it would be a desire to keep low achievers subservient, or perhaps to maintain a cut-throat ethos in your society. Or perhaps to keep the lower classes at the bottom, since statistically, SAR Prince Henri de Galles and poor scholars notwithstanding, more students in the top stream tend to come from more affluent families, and most students in the bottom achieving stream tend to be from poorer families.
ReplyDeleteWell Peng Hui, the Finnish system is closer to the British system where streaming is frowned upon - and I can see a Europe vs East Asia divide here. The Singaporean system is similar to HK, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan etc - whilst this reluctance to stream in Europe is cultural and i can see the impact on their society by the reaction my article caused.
DeleteI suppose the question is - would a bright student be better off studying with other equally bright kids? Or would they perform well regardless of whom their classmates were?
This reminds me of an incident back in my secondary school days - I became good friends with a gymnast from Whitley secondary school and my mother was mortified. She objected to our friendship because he was from a 'stupid' (her words not mine) secondary school. I remember telling her, 'stupidity is not contagious you know - you can't catch it like a cold.' Duh.
In answer to your question, I'm not sure if it has been proven either way. Segregating academic high achievers in school may help them get better grades, but I'm not convinced that this will necessarily lead to a better outcome in the long term for them or for society. Some of the discontent in Singapore is probably the result of the country being run by a scholar elite who have been segregated educationally and socially from the their fellow citizens since the age of 6 or 7.
Deletei believe it is a signal that you send out when you call someone 'stupid' rather than 'unintelligent' or 'not so clever'. you sent a signal by using the more negative term here and that was your point. freedom of speech did not harm any animals intentionally or not here so why not right?
ReplyDeletefor one, political correctness is defined by local cultures and norms. however on the internet, i will suppose that it is purely the onus of readers from other cultures to understand your culture background when you describe/say something, before commenting.
your last picture on the blog actually subtly says precisely that point : a person can either call someone stupid at a cost or give that person, "face".
;) *excellent subtle signal with that one*
Hi JX, well I still don't quite understand the difference between 'not clever' vs 'stupid' - to me, they're the same thing but if you wanted to avoid being negative, then how is the term 'not clever' going to help? Saying something is 'not good' can only mean one thing - that it is bad.
DeleteBut yes you're right - those who kicked up a big fuss about the term stupid (with the exception of WD) were all white and all my Singaporean readers clearly didn't have an issue with it.
Hi,
Delete> Singaporean readers clearly didn't have an issue with it.
Just to clarify for LIFT's other readers.
I am Singaporean (born-and-bred). In fact I lived in Singapore for almost twice as long as LIFT did. I am also "yellow" (perhaps a little banana-ish values-wise). That said, LIFT would be right to say that I am not a typical Singaporean. I suspect that's why I find myself happier in the less judgemental and more open-minded Canadian culture.
Cheers, WD.
I too am often chastised by others for the use of the S word on others but too many times there's no better, more efficient term to put it and the brutal simplicity with which it conveys meaning especially when your on the receiving end and bearing the full brunt of such treatment. ie. Service personnel working in uncompetitive government institutions which dole out uncompetitive policies and people like Calvo etc. Please take note that this is different from "bue tak chek" whose ranks include people like Richard Branson etc.
ReplyDeleteWell, I think the world is full of shades of gray and of varying degrees of everything. If a person is not clever, that doesn't mean he is stupid, he could be average intelligence, moderately stupid, very stupid, etc. If a restaurant is not cheap, it could be average priced, a little expensive or very expensive. But I do think if you mean to say stupid and you mean stupid and not 'just not terribly clever', then go for it. Ziege sounds downright stupid and not in the area in between stupid and clever.
ReplyDeleteI do think it is unkind to call someone stupid, even if it is true. Stupid people still get offended by negative labels. But if your intention wasn't to be diplomatic, then you're just calling it as you see it and youre not trying to be kind. If I were in your shoes, I'll call her stupid, and so what? I dislike her so I am calling her names, and yes, even judging her, and she's welcome to do so of me in her own blog. Free speech!
I agree with WD that academic excellence does not equate to intelligence. A highly intelligent person may not do well in school because of any of thousands of other reasons such as issues at home and so on. There are also many 'types' of intelligence, and logical intelligence is only one of them. Intelligence may give a person the ABILITY to do well in school, maybe, but that ability isn't always used or exploited. You could say choosing not to use your intelligence is stupid, but again, there are many circumstances that could prevent even a smart person from making the right choice.
Hi CG, thanks for your comment. Well, I think there's also another point about how we use the term "stupid". In this case, I was using it as a means to explain why I didn't pursue the case with Ziege and Calvo with regards to the racist joke - that I was excusing them on the basis of them being plain stupid. Believe you me, if an intelligent person tried to pull that kind of racist joke on me, I would make sure I punish them. But as for Ziege and Calvo, no, I had no desire to punish them - all I wanted was for them not to do it again and that was it. I never said to their faces, "I am excusing you because you're stupid" - these are but my thoughts which I like to share on my blog. I am a corporate creature after having spent years in the business world - I know how to act in a very corporate, controlled, polite, reserved manner when at work and keep my thoughts to myself. But I need an outlet and it is my blog where I like being honest with my opinions and ideas - and if someone like WD has a problem with me being honest with my thoughts here, then tough, please go read someone else's blog. I am not going to censor myself just because someone thinks I am not being PC enough or that I am just too blunt with my words here.
DeleteLet me tell you about someone who used the word stupid in a hurtful manner when I was in primary school. This girl in the school wanted to apply for RGS (one of the best secondary schools in Singapore then) despite having virtually no chance in getting in there - she just wasn't the 4 A-star kind of student. One of the other students told her, "You're so stupid you won't even get to smell the toilets in RGS." That was a hurtful statement designed to caused maximum hurt.
What I was doing here however, was very different - I was explaining why Ziege and Calvo did what they did and I wasn't going to dance around the issue and beat around the bush. Hell no, I was going to offer a direct (and blunt) explanation. Anyway, last I heard, Ziege is leaving acting to do something else - but I will not divulge what she is doing for it isn't relevant to the issue here.