I've been aware of Gilbert Goh's work with Transitioning.org for a while and I have mixed feelings about his work. Now I know his heart is in the right place and this is a man trying to help others - that's a great start and dear readers, let's not ever forget that. I think that his motivations are truly noble and I salute anyone with that kind of charitable spirit, to want to do something constructive to help those who are running out of hope and options. However, once we get past that, good grief, I can start to find loads of problems in his approach and ethos.
The blind leading the blind? |
Let's look at this ill conceived article he wrote - it was shocking. It wasn't just xenophobic, if you employ sweeping generalisations on that scale, you are engaging in out-and-out racism. I suppose he thought it was funny or at least tongue in cheek - he didn't realize how badly it would have gone down. Do I think Gilbert Goh is xenophobic? Yes I do. Do I think that he is racist? Yes, he probably is - but then again, so are many Singaporeans. Good grief, the amount of racism I've seen directed against PRCs, Filipinos and Indonesians on social media on the part of Singaporeans - it is unreal. Singaporeans are incredibly racist and it's not just in private, they are racist in social media and do not think twice about making extremely racist remarks online. I was so enraged by this that I had to name and shame many racist Singaporeans over the Rohingya refugee scandal last year.
By that token, yes Gilbert Goh is guilty of racism and xenophobia - but then again, he's pretty typical. Would he have written such an article if he knew that people were going to react so negatively against it? Of course not, he only went down that road because he thought he was writing something that people would agree with and enjoy reading. Was I offended? I suppose I was somewhat offended, but after having seen Gilbert Goh's writing before, I simply rolled by eyes and said, "here we go again, this guy has foot in mouth syndrome. When will he get someone to read his awful writing before publishing crap like that? Does he realize just how bad his English is? Can he write in Chinese instead? Does he realize what an awful writer he is? Someone please tell him to stop writing crap like that please."
Gilbert Goh doesn't speak on behalf of everyone who was there. |
Gilbert Goh has a pretty poor command of English - it's pretty appalling. Here's the kind of sentence he would come up with (taken from their website) : "This event is also not targetting against foreigners but more on the policy of the population boost." Okay, I can understand what he is trying to say but it is hardly proper English. I would write, "The organizers of the event have nothing against foreigners, rather we want to challenge the logic of increasing the population to 6.9 million." Goh uses pretty typical Singlish - which is perfectly fine amongst friends or in social media, but is hardly the kind of English employers would expect from their employees (oh the irony). If Goh wanted to go down the Singlish route on his website, then fine - let's see the lahs, lohs, alamaks, tolongs and aiyohs please: but no, none of these typical Singlish words are present on his website. It does seem that he does want to use standard English but has clearly refused to use the grammar check function on his computer to iron out the problems with his rather bad English. Is that simply laziness? Or is he oblivious to the fact that his grammar is sibeh salah? Aiyoh, talk about blind spot, Limpeh tell you hah, ini maciam bochup anyhow write Engrish one lagi malu lah alamak. See? When Limpeh wants to go into Singlish mode, I make it very clear to the reader that I'm switching to Singlish.
Okay, so Gilbert Goh's English sucks big time, he gives out bad advice at times but should we tell him to "shut up and sit down" just because he doesn't live up to our expectations of a worthy community leader? I think that's going a bit too far. I studied the work of Indian philosopher Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak at university and one of her most interesting work was on the voices of the subaltern in history. Basically, Spivak noted that in history, we know plenty about the lives of kings and emperors, great men in history from Alexander The Great to Julius Caesar to Genghis Khan to Qin Shi Huang have had their lives well documented - but little is known about the lives of ordinary people like farmers, peasants and servants. Spivak noted that the female subaltern (eg. the wife of a peasant) had no voice, she was probably illiterate then so she would have lived and died and left little record of her life. This was because those who were recording history then were not interested in the lives of such people - so we have little information about the kind of lives these female subalterns led centuries ago.
Should we care what these people think about the situation? |
By that token, one could argue that the voices people like Gilbert Goh (poor English skills notwithstanding) are a vital part in sociology, we need to record the attitudes and experiences of the Singaporean subaltern (including older uncles who can't speak proper English, cannot articulate themselves eloquently but still have something to say) - we should not silence or censor the sublatern. And sure, there are plenty of xenophobic and racist people in Singapore - that's the ugly truth and we shouldn't pretend that such bigotry doesn't exist in our society. Rather, we should record it, acknowledge its presence, so we can start to deal with it. After all, surely poor language skills should not be any excuse to impede one's freedom of expression or indeed as Gilbert Goh has done, provide a record of a certain kind of bigotry that is prevalent in our society. No one should tell Gilbert Goh to shut up, if you don't like what he says - by all means, criticize him, engage him, tell him what you think, argue with him, quarrel with him, insult him if you must but do not silence or censor him.
There are those who criticized Gilbert Goh's article to be xenophobic and offensive and they went a step further - one day before the 16th February Hong Lim Park protest, Goh's ill-judged article went viral and suddenly, Goh became a xenophobe, his organisation became xenophobic and by association, his cause became xenophobic and anyone associated with that event risked being labelled xenophobic. Oh dear. This puts me in a very difficult situation because my regular readers will know how strongly I feel about xenophobia and how much I hate Singaporeans who are xenophobic! On the other hand, I do feel very strongly that the PAP is making a terrible mistake with this 6.9 million plan and I wanted to support any effort by any organisation to send a message to the PAP about this mistake. This puts someone like me in a very difficult position - can we someone find a way to be anti-PAP without being xenophobic?
Can we talk about the figures without being xenophobic? |
The answer is yes, we can. Let's be very specific about why we reject the PAP's 6.9 million plan - the solution is simple. Singaporeans should not say no to immigration or foreign talents - but the bar needs to be set very, very high so you only accept quality migrants who have something to contribute to local economy, such as Eduardo Saverin. However, we do not need more cheap labour from places like the Philippines and China to suppress wages for those already doing the jobs at the bottom of the food chain - these jobs can be filled by locals. These are the people at the bottom of the food chain who do not have the luxury of migrating to another country if they find themselves squeezed by this influx of cheap foreign labour - they deserve some element of protection by the government.
The issue here isn't xenophobia per se, it's more a question of opening the flood gates to anyone from China who wishes to come to Singapore and what the long term consequences are of such a big increase in population over a short space in time. Furthermore, this is a model to follow - just look at countries like Australia, the UK and Canada who implement a points-based immigration system which makes sure that unskilled, uneducated immigrants are turned away and only well educated, highly skilled migrants are allowed in. It is not rocket science, it is a system that has been used by many countries and it is bewildering why Singapore doesn't adopt a similar approach to immigration.
Some have suggested that the PAP are desperately topping up the numbers of Chinese people in Singapore, so the ratio of Malays to Chinese to Indians stays roughly the same. With birth rates falling drastically for Singaporean-Chinese, it is only a matter of time before the percentage of Chinese people fall in Singapore in this ratio - but I ask you, is that such a bad thing? Surely the alternative, to inject so many PRCs into Singapore to somehow maintain this status quo hook or by crook, surely the alternative is far worse than allowing the percentage of Chinese Singaporeans to fall to 60% or 50%? Why must this status quo be maintained? Would something terrible happen to Singapore if the percentage of Chinese-Singaporeans be allowed to fall any further? Can one have enough faith in the concept of a national identity to bring all Singaporeans together regardless of ethnicity? Or is this policy a blatant admission that we've totally failed in trying to foster a sense of national identity?
Well, we'll never find out, but something terrible is already happening already - the population has increased and is going to keep on going up. This is something Singaporeans need to contend with and deal with urgently - I'm afraid Gilbert Goh's stupid article has only sabotaged his own cause. Groan. Look, I am not xenophobic - I have lived and worked in various countries around the world as a foreign talent (hence the name of my blog!) and I have always been welcomed in all the countries I have worked in. I don't want any of you to think I am xenophobic because you think I am 'defending' Gilbert Goh per se - I'm not. Oh no. He has to pay the price for this mistake. I'm instead defending the concept of democracy and the freedom of speech. Heck, I've attacked him more than defended him in this piece. I've barely stopped short of calling him plain stupid - I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's probably like my father, an older Singaporean who's probably more comfortable and eloquent in Mandarin than English.
Personally, I don't like the guy much but I still feel obliged to respect him - such is the nature of democracy. It is messy and doesn't give you a convenient solution or answer to the problem at hand. Of course, Gilbert Goh has given the pro-PAP supporters a convenient excuse to discredit him just before the event - but Goh needs to concede that he shouldn't have published that stupid article in the first place. It was a terrible, stupid mistake on his part. However, we need to also divorce Gilbert Goh from the event - there were over 3000 protesters at the event, Goh was but one of those people, let's remember the voices and sentiments of the others who were there too. Let's remember what they said and why they took part in the event, rather than get caught up in this Gilbert Goh bashing frenzy. This is just a distraction from the real purpose of why we're engaging in this issue: democracy.
What do you think about the issue? Feel free to leave a comment below, thanks.
LIFT, I will respond later about your article in general, but I just want to mention that as a former English PhD, I had mentioned to that Gilbert Goh character (oh my, he has the same initials as Girls' Generation, one of the South Korean girl groups which I find interesting and YET still do not like lol....) on one occasion that his blog was very badly written and needed a serious grammar and punctuation check. He started acting defensively and then attacked me verbally by claiming that I "write badly for an English PhD". That totally got me into a ballistic mode and I posted his reply--which was rather badly written with grammatical errors and spelling errors in EVERY sentence--online with a corrected version. He must probably have felt very embarrassed after that, because he proceeded to remove the version which I posted on his blog's commentary section. So much for Singlish and also wanting to matter when he was that mean to people who critiqued his writing constructively.......
ReplyDeleteOoh I love GG - Girls Generation! I have a soft spot for all Aegyo K-pop bands. Given your academic background, what do you think of this: perhaps he is the subaltern and we are the oppressors, after all, we are the very well educated ones who have no problems with English, finding fault with the older uncle who is trying to express himself despite his obviously rather poor command of English. So maybe GG isn't so much representing the subaltern - he IS the subaltern.
DeleteI really wanted to cut him some slack, so to say, but he insulted me by saying that I "write badly for an English PhD" when every sentence was full of an error or more! Some of the articles which he writes on his blog do not have a real governing thrust or thesis statement too, and if he claims that others have a 'stream-of-consciousness'(sorry, that is what I understand of his accusation of my style which is ruminative and subtle more than direct and brash) style, he should jolly well recognize that he is even guiltier of it.
DeleteTo be fair to him, in such a rally or protest like this, his presence is really marginal to the real intentions of those who attended--that they OPPOSE the Population White Paper. We have to give him credit where it is due, and as much as I dislike him personally, I would at least say that the event has to happen to wake up Singaporeans' minds from their stupor. Note, I said WAKE UP SINGAPOREANS,NOT THE GOVERNMENT. lol.....
Actually, LIFT, I doubt that Gilbert Goh will sit down and get someone to help him proofread his writing. I had suggested that to him once, and even proofread his ATTACK on me--a really nasty and insulting personal attack by the way on my credentials as an English PhD holder who specialized in medieval studies and drama from a North American research institution--and sent it back to him to put him in his proper place, but I doubt that he is willing to listen on this front. If you believe me on this front, I am not the only one who has pointed him out on that aspect of his bad writing too. A few other people who commented on his blog have pointed out that he needs to stop criticizing other people's abilities in writing and start looking at his own (or his lack thereof).
ReplyDeleteAs for the xenophobia, the real problem is that there is a slippage between xenophobia (and/or racism) and hatred against the population policy. I am not pretending that as one who left many years back, that my objections to the Population White Paper is not only directed against the government and its accomplices in power, but also against the very QUALITY (or lack of quality) of the people brought in, especially the mainland Chinese and the other 3rd world country immigrants from the Phillipines and so on ad infinitum. I have lived in Japan and been to South Korea many times, and the Filipino and PRC immigrants there--whether they come as workers or as permanent residents and new citizens--never create trouble in these countries which 'adopt' them because the system does not have any space or gaps for them to exploit any kind of inequity or use it to their advantage against locals. As a result, they tend to be more docile as a whole compared to those in Singapore who are fully aware that they WILL and CAN get away with it, because the laws are always on their side.
Don't get me wrong here. I admit that I seriously hate these unskilled 3rd World country workers not so much because of race alone, but more so because a lot of them go into Singapore with full awareness of the gaps in the system unlike the 60% of Singaporeans who blindly go about their daily business ignoring the unfairness of Singaporean society in itself. But the real problem is simply that as long as the system in Singapore remains, there will always be people ready to exploit it to their advantage(basically a lot of them being unskilled or lowly skilled workers from elsewhere who are ready to falsify information and certificates to get in). Singaporeans themselves are also unable to tell between racism and the ills of the population policy, if you remember that "palm to the face" moment when Gilbert Goh was trying frantically to say that he had Indian and Malay friends since young to excuse his xenophobia away.
In all cases, what I can say about this Gilbert Goh guy is that he seriously needs to LEARN from his mistakes instead of airing them out just like that. If you make statements like that in Vancouver or Toronto, Canada, you will never get away with it, because these two cities are cities of immigrants, and over 50% of the residents come from somewhere else, including other foreign countries.
Yes, I was also informed by a few friends who were at the event about GG's comments about Malay and Indian friends - cue palm to face. Good grief. There's a part of me that wants to scream, "stop embarrassing yourself lah uncle, aiyoh. Everyone thinks you're a freaking idiot and you're clearly oblivious to it." Then the academic in me says, "one should never silence nor oppress the sublatern, so we must let GG speak!!"
DeleteLet me quote my good friend who left me this message on FB:
subaltern is one hell of a word to use, sweetie
he's not playing a vital part in academia, but he's playing a vital role FOR academia
after napping, i realise why i'm upset about all this. thanks to your talk about the subaltern
it's this - the Halo effect
it very nicely describes what's happening here
GIlbert is a xenophobe. that becomes his halo. everything he does, we ascribe it to his xenophobia
regardless of what he means
and every enterprise he embarks on, we confer the taint of that halo. cos it's impossible that he's motivated by anything other than xenophobia
and anyone he works with, also taint with that halo
cos he's ONLY a xenophobe and nothing else, so people he attracts must be xenophobes and nothing else.
now. having gone through the libarts and sociology in particular, i think my professors did programme into me the instinct to feel anger at anyone who uses the halo effect to brand people and everything they do
cos it's bullying behaviour, essentially
and the bullying behaviour of elites, who use the halo effect to confine and persecute minorities - race, gender, class
and basically, this use of the halo effect IS itself racist, sexist, classist, elitist, whatever
so yes. i'm angry because i'm seeing a very well-educated crowd like brown and siew and popagandhi basically bullying the subaltern, using the tools of the master to oppress the subaltern
and not only bullying the subaltern but to tar everyone who protested against the white paper as xenophobes
"In a brilliant facepalm moment, the emcee of the event tried to dispel notions that the event is xenophobic. He said he had many Malay friends when he was young and he EVEN had an Indian friend"
Deletehey, that was gilbert!
problem is the park was so crowded, no one knew who was speaking
because gilbert's so inept, he never introduced most of the speakers
and sometimes he kept having a to and fro with the speaker in the first few minutes
Hi, you mentioned that the bar should be raised very high for immigrants, specifically that we should turn away 'unskilled, uneducated immigrants' and accept 'only well educated, highly skilled migrants'.
ReplyDeleteNot disagreeing, but just wanted you to expand on that. First, you say that we should let the lower end jobs be filled by locals. A question I have is - do we have enough locals that are willing to fill those lower end jobs? It somewhat feels to me there aren't that many people who want those jobs, and most Singaporeans now are fairly educated and aspire to higher end jobs/ careers. So wouldn't we need foreign labor to pick up the slack?
Further to that, if Singaporeans now want higher end jobs, by accepting only the most educated and skilled foreigners, wouldn't those 'high end' foreigners squeeze out the locals who are educated and want white collar, higher end executive type jobs?
Let's take the CEO type of positions and very specialized spots out of the picture. How about positions, say as an engineer or IT professional or middle level banking jobs with a pay scale in the $2,500 to $6,000 range? Do we have enough of those spots to go around? Should we embrace 'may the best man win' or should we protect locals in this area also? And that's assuming the foreigner wants the same salary and benefits as a local, when in actuality many foreigners may be willing to settle for less because a Singaporean dollar will go much further for their dependents in their home country compared to a local's dependents in Singapore. Becoming a citizen or PR does not mean that a foreigner has cut ties with family back in their home country. And from an employer's perspective, it is not a difficult choice between two people with the same level of skills and education, but one (the foreigner) is cheaper than the other (the local).
Here is a relevant Demoncratic strip:
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Thanks for your comment - let me give you a comparison: Finland. (I could also pick Japan but let's run with Finland.) There are very very few foreign workers for example driving Finnish buses on their public transport network as Finnish law states that all bus drivers MUST speak Finnish - that kinda rules out most foreigners unless they've effectively lived in Finland long enough to master the language to a high enough standard to pass the language test. (I'd like to see the PRC bus drivers in Singapore speak half decent English...)
DeleteBy that token, almost all Finnish bus drivers are locals and not foreigners and with Finland being a 1st world developed country, the salary they command is pretty high compared to say in Singapore. This translates to more expensive bus journeys for those using public transport and that is a small price that Finnish societies pay to make sure that they are not dependent on cheap foreign workers for such services. It is not a xenophobic move per se, it's just a bar of entry being set high for foreigners - ie. if you're a PRC wishing to drive a bus in Finland, you've got to be able to speak Finnish really quite well, but for a local who is already Finnish, well, that isn't an issue at all. So if a PRC who is actually fluent in Finnish wants to drive a bus in Finland, that wouldn't be an issue at all. In Singapore, it is simply this desire to drive down prices of the bus services at all costs that has resulted in this influx of PRC bus drivers.
Not all Singaporeans will get brilliant results and go on to university as scholars - some will end up doing jobs lower down the food chain. The Finland model simply ensures that those who have the misfortune to end up lower down the food chain do not end up being squeezed by even cheaper foreign labour. We have a saying in Singlish, "pang chance lah" - I'm saying that we could be giving these people lower down the food chain a bit of an advantage given their lower ability to compete in the rat race. It's a very socialist thought - but it does work in places like Finland and Japan.
As for those further up the food chain - you forget, they have more ability to square up to the competition, they are better educated, more highly skilled and are definitely a lot better equipped to compete and fight against these foreigners. For example, I'm not afraid of any kind of foreign or local competition - Limpeh has travelled the world, working in various countries as a foreign talent. Modesty aside, with my skills, talents and calibre, I can take on the competition (and win!) in a way that say a local bus driver cannot. I am armed to the teeth with professional qualifications, I have an IQ that puts me in the top 2%, I speak like 20 languages and was a triple scholar when I was a student. Face it, it is not a level playing field, life isn't fair and people like me can face any kind of competition and do okay in whatever economic situation - bus drivers however, do not have the same luxury. No offence to bus drivers, sorry - but you really do need to compare the situation in Finland and Singapore when it comes to those driving buses.
LIFT, thanks for your response. Your Finnish example with the bus drivers was enlightening and seems to make sense. For those higher up the food chain though, I am not so sure. Or specifically, not the top part of the food chain, but higher on the middle part of it. The core of Singapore are middle class people... they aren't scholars, don't travel all over the world, don't have exceptionally high IQs. I don't think it is reasonable to expect they have these qualities.
DeleteSo what is your suggestion on how to deal with the middle of the bell curve? These people are office workers, but they aren't movers and shakers, they won't transform the company or participate in its strategies, but they keep the company's engines running. They make sure stuff gets delivered, bills get paid, paperwork gets filed, programs get developed, ground level customers get approached. What about those people?
These people will compete with foreigners who can perform the same job (after all, they aren't super highly skilled or intellectual jobs) for less money. Should we also include levels of protection similar to bus drivers? What would they be? Take a web developer job for instance... an Indian person would be able to do it for a lower salary and the Indian person speaks English. How does this compare to a polytechnic graduate? Okay, with the PRCs, language may a bit iffy, but filipinos and indians and other races certainly can speak the language. What other bars can we add for these type of jobs... the administrative and accounts assistants, certain types of engineers, etc?
As you point out, your place in the totem pole is very high up. But as you point out, we sometimes need to empathize with people that aren't up there (not just the subalterns at the bottom, but people in middle-lower or middle class) and try to have some humility. It is easy to be up there and point downwards and tell these people it's their own fault for not being as intelligent, as hardworking, as charitable, as intellectual. The fact is that most of the human race wasn't fortunate to be born with certain qualities and even if they were, some of them did not have your 'luck' and weren't presented the same opportunities as you were. Most of the middle class will never quite figure out how to level the playing field. Do we just say, sorry, tough luck to them?
I say this because I was one of these people and things could have gone either way with me. I was lucky because one friend started a chain of events for me (by recommending me for a job in a company that took me places and would otherwise never have hired me 'cold') that led to me having a fantastic job in America and owning property in one of the most sought after cities in the world. I've adapted and become proficient in what I do and how I communicate. But 10 years ago, I was a lowly-paid, Singlish-speaking, ah-lian-befriending person. I do think I am more intelligent than average, but this in itself would not have put me where I am.
I have gotta dash to work in a minute but I will summarize what I wanna say like this:
DeleteThose at the bottom of the food chain: pang a LOT of chance
Those a little bit further up the food chain: pang SOME chance
Those in the middle of the food chain: pang a LITTLE chance
Those near the top of the food chain: pang NO chance
It's a sliding scale from A LOT to SOME to A LITTLE to NO chance. The more capable you are, the less help & protection you need. So those in the middle of the bell curve as you say deserve probably only a little bit of help/protection as they are not as helpless as those at the very bottom of the food chain. They do NOT need the same level of protection as those struggling to make ends meet. Yeah?
Gotta run. Catch u later.
I don't understand what 'pang' is. I'm a terrible Singaporean :(
DeleteWe help the poor because we should, but the middle class is really the ones that are squeezed the most. You know, in the US, we joke that it's better to have no money than to have some money... because if you have no money, welfare will take care of you. If you have some money but not a lot, you will struggle. Your taxes are the highest (as a percentage of your income), and your money will be redistributed downwards when really you can't afford it. If you are rich, you have so much money anyway, you can do whatever you want and also find ways to pay less in taxes.
My point is that the middle of the bell curve is really the bulwark of every society. No one can survive without them. In Singapore's case, why should the government let in foreigners that will squeeze these people? Should they not also be protected as the core and majority of the country? It's not a matter of a level playing field amongst people in this class where it's the best man wins, because clearly foreigners can undercut the locals pay-wise.
So yes, those struggling to make ends meet should have more protection while these people should have a little bit in comparison. But what is 'a little bit' and is it sufficient? What is Singapore doing or what should it do (especially if it is trying to balance between being anti-foreigner/pro-local... or is it pro-foreigner/anti-local... hehe)? Maybe the question is a little too big for this conversation, but it would be interesting to get your thoughts on that.
Crash course in Singlish - aiyoh, here's Limpeh in London teaching you Singlish, tsk tsk. Pang chance = 放 in Hokkien (pahng/pung) + chance = pahng chan (chance becomes chan in Singlish) so it actually sounds a lot like 반찬 in Korean ('banchan' = side dish). Pahng-chan in Singlish literally means "give chance" - it means doing someone a favour by lowering the standards a little. For example, "Do you think if I told the teacher that I have a really bad sore throat, she will pahng-chan a bit during the oral exam? I can barely talk, I have no voice now."
DeleteHence in this context, I meant giving lower income families from lower down the food chain a break, being kind to them, doing them a favour, ie. pahng-chan those much lower down the food chain.
As for those who are middle class, I say, tough shit, you're clearly not at the bottom of the food chain, how can you expect to be given the same kind of 'pahng-chan' treatment as those who are at the bottom of the food chain? You can't have the best of both worlds - I'm sorry but I know the middle class will look at those who are poor and say, "hey why's everyone being so nice to them? who's going to pahng-chan for me? don't I deserve to have a break or favour every now and then?"
The fact that you're middle class means that you have the brains and the means to rise to the challenge and fight the competition if need be. If you're too lazy or useless to fight, then tough, you don't deserve to be middle class. When you become poor, then the rest of us will pahng-chan for you.
As for Singapore's stance on the issue, the PAP sucks balls big time, the PAP are fucking awful on the issue - that's one of the main reasons why I refused to spend my adult working life in Singapore as a Singaporean. I worked abroad and obtained British nationality before returning as a British expat - fuck the PAP system I say, jobs for foreigners, Reservist obligations for locals.
The PAP are fucking Singaporean men over and over again - it's pretty shit to be a male Singaporean at the moment. The solution? Get rid of the PAP.
I no longer live in Singapore and have not been for a very long time (though I visit regularly), so give me a break, or 'pang chance'? Okay, I'm sure I am using that wrongly.
DeleteThe whole National Service thing is really pretty idiotic. No children of mine, if I ever have any, will be encouraged to obtain Singaporean citizenship. Even if it was a girl. Boys? Forget about it.
LKY may be arrogant, but he is no fool, why is he allowing this to happen? Whatever negative feelings I may have for the PAP, and even assuming that LKY is a nepotism-loving tyrant that lines his own pockets, he still quite single-handedly shaped Singapore and transformed it from fishing village to sprawling metropolis. Whatever he gained from building up Singapore, he still built it and I bet he still loves the country. It is difficult for me to understand how he is letting the foreigner issue get this out of hand. He seems pretty mentally put together. Maybe he sees this as a challenge for his son to address.
Hahaha, I left Singapore in 1997 - probably longer ago than you my friend. But yes, you've used pang chance (or pangchan) in the right context. Some things you never forget, I am still pretty confident in Hokkien which is the language I tend to use with my mother.
DeletePS. Singapore was no fishing village in 1965. Please lah. Get your history right. It was already a thriving city by then. The Brits did do quite a lot to build up the city whilst it was a colony because of its great location at the tip of the Malaysian peninsular. In the 1920s, Singapore was the 2nd busiest port in the world. So please don't give the PAP all the credit, they inherited a lot that was done before 1965.
Not much longer than me, but I was never a linguist. My parents were very anti-Singlish (ironically their English is pretty good, but it isn't flawless) so I never spoke it at home.
DeleteMy history is bad, so you have me on that one. Poor history notwithstanding, I do think he still played a big part in steering the ship. Maybe he doesn't deserve all of the credit, but he deserves quite a lot. Of course garbage in means garbage out... but it also takes some astuteness to run a country (albeit a small and compliant one) so efficiently.
Poor GG, he's getting sliced and diced for his writing, so much so that everyone is ignoring his message.
I have read the Gilbert Goh article since it has gone viral and do not see what the big hoo-haa is about. It seemed like an ill conceived, tongue-in-cheek gone wrong but that points more to his lousy command of the English language and inapt writing skills rather than his supposed maliciousness towards foreigners.
ReplyDeleteDo I find it racist? Yes, possibly. Do I think he realised he was being racist? Probably not. Racism is so ingrained in Singapore society, people don't even realise they are being racist sometimes. Even before the influx of foreigners, Singaporeans have always been told to walk the straight and narrow on the topic of race all the way from school. We are told to keep the topic of race from polite public conversations. Somehow this lack of ability to talk about race openly have made us obsessed wit it. Just look at our local stand up comedians, most of the jokes are about race. Privately, many Singaporeans enjoy these racist jokes. We enjoy them but often do not have the skills to add humour to a topic which have been repeatedly drilled into the public mind that it is not PC to mention. Now we have the PRC, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Burmese to add into the mix. Singaporeans can now pretend we are united as one amongst Chinese, Malay and Indian in the face of the common enemy.
In a brilliant facepalm moment, the emcee of the event tried to dispel notions that the event is xenophobic. He said he had many Malay friends when he was young and he EVEN had an Indian friend as if the very idea of having an Indian as a friend to a Chinese was so unthinkable. Personally, I found this statement so much more racist than anything Gilbert Goh wrote in that article. And remember, this emcee said this in an attempt to distance himself and the event from Gilbert Goh's scandal that broke and dragged the event through the mud with it. It just goes to show how ingrained racism in Singapore is when people say such thing in an effort to prove that they are not racist.
So no, I don't think that article Gilbert Goh wrote came from a place of hatred towards foreigners. It is stereotyping, bad stereotyping at that if you've read the article. In a tongue in cheeks way that many have come to embraced, Singaporeas are typically stereotyped as Kiasu, Kiasi & materialistic as well. We are fine with it and I have heard people refer to this sterotype about Singaporeans rather endearingly. It seemed Gilbert's article was trying to do they same to some of our larger groups of foreigners. In fact maybe we can go as far to say he was trying to sooth feelings towards foerigners with his attempt at humour. Because of his writing style, or lack thereof, we don't really know what he's trying to convey. To me, the biggest faux pas in this incident is that the organizer of such a prominent and possibly landmark event does not even have they ability to convey his thoughts clearly. Now THAT is sad.
"In a brilliant facepalm moment, the emcee of the event tried to dispel notions that the event is xenophobic. He said he had many Malay friends when he was young and he EVEN had an Indian friend"
Deletehey, that was gilbert!
problem is the park was so crowded, no one knew who was speaking
because gilbert's so inept, he never introduced most of the speakers
and sometimes he kept having a to and fro with the speaker in the first few minutes
Now if you are going to take on the issue of racism/xenophobia - you have to realize that it is a volatile issue that could so easily cause offence. There are stand up comedians for example like Margaret Cho who talk about racism all the time in her routines and she is BRILLIANT. I love her so much and she uses humour to deal with the topic of racism in a very effective manner - but you have to give credit to the fact that she is very good with humour, language and understanding her audience: that's why her routines go down so well.
DeleteOn the other hand, Gilbert's English is so bloody awful - like did the guy even pass PSLE English? And he is so bloody stubborn about how bad his English is... that's why he misfires on so many levels and offended so many people, first with his ill conceived article, then with his even more ill judged comments about Malay & Indian friends - alamak, aiyoh. Tolong lah uncle.
Again, I refer you to my earlier arguments about the sublatern and I hesitate to silence this very salah subaltern uncle who no can talk engrish one.
It was the emcee, not Gilbert. Many of the speakers were trying so hard to distance themselves from GG after the scandal broke. Gilbert mostly stayed out of the limelight at the event as he rightly should after what happened. And yes, I agree, GG's english cannot make it.
DeleteThanks for the clarification. All I can say is that I do agree with the principles of the protest - but it was sabotaged by Gilbert Goh and the poor organiation (such as the MC'S ill-judged statements).
DeleteI am so in two minds here! On one hand, I do think that idiots who are only going to spout idiotic bullshit should shut the hell up before they embarrass themselves and offend more people - on the other hand, the academic in me feels strongly that we should not silence nor censor the subaltern and we should give them a voice, no matter how idiotically uneducated and stupid that voice may be. Academia is a bitch and democracy is messy.
Bravo, limpeh. You've managed to help me express my thought better than I could have. The only thing I disagree with you about is that the article was xenophobic or more than slightly racist. The only way I'd describe that article is insensitive and in bad taste. Nobody should be subjected to profiling, and the people at the protest are no exception. However, after reading through the article a few times, I found it hard to pinpoint any specific instance where he was being deliberately insulting to any of those represented. In fact, he even threw in some praise for some of them. I can only guess that he thought it would be useful information. Still, he should have been more sensitive towards how the article was going to be received.
ReplyDeleteI read the article too and whilst it wasn't outright racism - the very fact that it was racial profiling was offensive to many as this is not acceptable at all. We all want to be treated as individuals, rather have anyone make any kind of assumptions based on the colour of our skin. That was what made it offensive and angered so many people - that GG didn't realize just how salah that article was, how ill-judged the tone was and what effect it would've had on his campaign. He shot himself in the foot instead of firing into the enemy lines.
DeleteWas he harshly judged? Yes he was - but such is the nature of democracy, you wanna play the game, you have to engage it and play by the rules. Tough, too bad for GG, I hope he's learnt his lesson and will become a more humble person instead of being this martyr.
One thing that totally irks me about Transitioning is this constant focus on foreign workers taking jobs of Singaporeans - whereas it's not like Singaporeans are totally hopeless in the face of the challenge posed by such circumstances. Heck, I've constantly taken new courses, learnt new languages and have been improving myself all the time, every single day (I dedicate at least 1 hour a day to studying foreign languages or some other form of professional training) to improve myself. Even someone of my calibre, my kind of skills & talent is working so hard to constantly improve myself, that's the nature of the rat race! So Transitioning is really not helping by giving in to this 'victim's mentality' by blaming the foreigners when Singaporeans can do so much more to help themselves square up to the competition in this day & age.
I think the real problem was that GG did not position the enemy per se as the government, but fired randomly at times at foreigners. I think that it might be true some of these foreigners are really 'low-grade' insofar as they are unskilled or lowly skilled, but still get into Singapore easily by default of the liberal immigration laws. Please, for crying out loud, even a Malaysian who has no skills and repairs electronic goods and electrical stuff gets in as a permanent resident(no hard feelings against Malaysians) when such jobs can be filled in by training Singaporeans, and places like Bread Talk employ Filipinas en masse when the service industry itself can also be easily filled by Singaporeans. Still, he was not clear exactly that the REAL enemy throughout was the government which had betrayed its own people in the name of GDP growth! Quel horreur!
DeleteI couldn't agree with you more on this Kev ... but surely someone who "repairs electronic goods and electrical stuff" has some kind of useful skill? I certainly can't repair a broken down printer or microwave oven, it's a job which requires skills I don't have. But yes, why is Bread Talk employing Filipinos? I remember the days from the 80s when such bakeries were staffed entirely by locals.
DeleteAnd it's quelle horreur - the world horreur is feminine, don't ask me why, those are just the rules, so it has to be quelle, not quel.
I am really out of touch with my French, after not having practised it for years. :p It probably does not help when you speak more Korean now other than English(technically, this is a faux pas because I am working in Japan, and yet my Japanese is really minimal and limited to hearing and reading sometimes....but I happen to be in Korea all the time). The problem is not only Bread Talk. I think that what this Gilbert Goh guy tried doing once was to suggest that Singaporeans who know of businesses which employ foreigners when they could employ locals for them boycott these businesses. Well, good luck to anyone on that, since the number is humongous......:( Even Yami Yogurt and all the other food outlets nowadays are all run by PRCs and other foreigners. I seriously cannot imagine eating Hainanese chicken rice prepared by a PRC who knows next to nothing about the intricacies of the dish, but it has become a VERY common thing! (Actually, my example of a Malaysian who gets in as a PR based on his job as an electrician is somewhat random, but I was trying to say that even technical skills like these can still be trained in Singaporeans.) It is way, way too much and too frequent when nearly EVERY profession from the top to the bottom are staffed by foreigners.....Don't even get me started here, because I could break a Guinness World Record by swearing all in Korean. It just makes you wonder: IS SINGAPORE REALLY SO MUCH IN NEED OF FOREIGNERS? The hardcore PAP supporters will give all their twisted reasons and so on, but it simply does not convince me one bit.
DeleteThe system in Singapore actually breeds a serious sense of ENTITLEMENT among the foreigners who go there. You can trust me about that. I remember an episode once when a ChannelNewsAsia reporter wanted to do a feature on underemployment, and found me then when I was back there for the interim(via that Gilbert Goh guy in fact), and she turned out to be Filipina. She actually asked me why I "had that stigma against tuition or part-time work" and whether it was not "gainful employment". For crying out loud, it is not about gainfulness of employment; it is about whether I can even find a decent, full-time job! From what I heard from her, while she claims to be applying for permanent residency in Singapore as someone who studied in one of the local universities, she told me that she received a startup scholarship which allowed her to settle in and then to live per month, and she ASSUMES that EVERY Singaporean has that too. Can you believe it? I had to say No and correct her on this, which got her looking at me with incredulity. Another friend who works in hiring told everyone among his Facebook circle about an interview he had with a foreigner, who was educated outside of Singapore but demanded 5000 to 6000 Singapore dollars per month as a starting salary for a junior executive appointment.....hmmmm......I wonder if he had laughed it off right in front of the foreigner and then shown him the front door as an exit point for such a demand....
DeleteAnyonghaseyeeeoooo... Ogenki-deska? It just means that the nature of Singapore is going to change, what little essence of being Singaporean is going to be diluted by the influx of PRCs and Pinoys but here's a hint, you can always head over the border to Malaysia and discover a sense of what Singapore was like prior to this foreigner influx. Correct me if I am wrong - but when I was last in M'sia, I didn't feel the presence of PRCs there the way I did in S'pore.
DeleteFunny thing you should mention entitlement - my sister echoed the same sentiment as you did. Mind you, I did receive 2 scholarships whilst I was at JC - so scholarships are given out to students in Singapore, but how many JC students were on any kind of scholarships, never mind 2?
LIFT, about that entitlement complex in foreigners, I would dare venture a risk to say that it is exclusive to them when they enter Singapore, bu default of the laws which side with them--other than the fortunate few in Singapore among citizens who do have that golden spoon treatment as the elite. Call me biased or whatever, since I am basing this on anecdotal evidence, but I do not technically think that there are even enough scholarships for locals at all. I had to work a few jobs while doing my PhD(including a TAship, and a RAship, and a summer job in retail), and that was considering that I had scholarships from the university in Canada as a PhD. In Singapore, I have virtually not gotten any in all the times that I applied for one from the university, nor even any financial aid. What was the next best form of aid? A bank loan??? O Jes-s Chr-st! I had to end up being in debt and then getting my parents to help pay off the last bit within one year.....I am not the only one who had this kind of experience, but the funniest thing is, the local universities actually SCOUT for foreign students from some remote part of Third World countries including China, give them free scholarships with a bond at the most for them to stay for around 5 to 6 years(some actually break this bond as you know, and abscond for China or India without paying the money back...good luck to the Singaporean universities on that....:P ), and even give them a few thousands per month to settle in comfortably till they graduate.....NOW, WHAT LOGIC IS THIS?
DeleteAs an aside, I actually have not read that article written by GG which incited accusations of racism and xenophobia against him. Since I know enough about his bad writing to conclude that it is a case of a bad joke not even framed properly anyway, as should be expected from him, I think that at least we should leave him be and acknowledge that he learnt enough from the response to remove the article. Martyn See had a response towards GG which seemed more sympathetic to acknowledge that GG knew he made a mistake and removed the article (I saw that link via an opposition party member who is my friend from secondary school), and so I left it at that. The really distasteful thing should be directed at the state-controlled media instead of GG per se, since after this Population White Paper was approved, anyone who was publicly against it such as Low Thia Khiang were labelled as xenophobic simply on the grounds that they opposed it. It broaches a sheer lack of ingenuity and sounds more like immature political smearing as usual in the vein of the PAP and the media.
DeleteAbout Malaysia, o yes, as much as PRCs try to make their way in, it technically does not have the strong presence of PRCs the way Singapore has. Malaysia has a rather different policy towards foreigners as you can recall, through its 'bumiputra' policies, and so on. I do not technically think that it is fair for me to judge Malaysia, since I was last there in 2011 for a few days at best, and also, even then, I knew little of it. Even as someone who left Singapore years back, all my understanding of it was simply based on the time prior to 2006 and a short interim in 2011. The strangest thing is, one has to ask how Singaporean these PRCs and Pinoys became to begin with, especially if most of them never took up citizenship but remained as PRs at best(as is very common). Some do eventually become citizens, but they can simply go back to their own country to reinstate it later as I have heard, unlike in Singapore. My point about this is, the Singaporean identity probably is way more solidified than we might think, but we might not actually identify with it as people who left years back and do not agree with its memes as a society(think of the Singapore Dream of the 5C's which is unique to it, the three 'kia' for 'fear', and various other small things, which while seemingly trivial, do mark it out to be different from Canadian or British society). The government is now trying to 'manufacture' and 'mint' 'Singaporean identity' as and when it wishes, via mass converting new citizens and permanent residents, but the reason wh there is such a groundswell of anger or discontent even if people do not take to the streets is because there really is such an entity or concept as much as it deems it malleable. That's my take on it.
Deletehttp://forum.channelnewsasia.com/showthread.php?427427-Xenophobic-article-written-by-Gilbert-Goh-of-NSP-draws-outcry for the article and I want to laugh at how so many Singaporeans don't think it is being xenophobic or racist - it's racial profiling and the very notion of it is wrong. Shows you just how ignorant so many Singaporeans are on the issue!
DeleteHahah..that article.....I think I actually did have a glance at it years back before it even became fodder for attack...o boy, his stereotypes are endless and really very silly....:p I don't see what problems he has with the PRCs who demonstrated against UNFAIR exploitation by the SBS. The PRCs had more guts than Singaporean bus drivers! But to be truthful, that GG guy NEVER took up residency in Australia. The other posters on that forum seriously have to get their facts correct too. As far as I am aware(my friends can verify that too), GG is still a Singaporean, although his former wife and daughter are in Australia. People should seriously stop all that ad hominem attack and just look at the mere stupidity of the article, instead of just talking about the person (whom I see to be ridiculous at times, but at least has a better heart than some 'Sinkies' who can only complain but do nothing in Singapore). Reading those other posts by the other posters about how GG has taken up Aussie residency(a big fat lie) is seriously as disturbing as GG's article, or even more disturbing, because it really shows the extent to which Singaporeans hate foreigners or are xenophobic.....urghhhhhh....
DeleteThat GG guy lost a few readers on account of that article. I remember that when he posted it last year(early last year or so, if I remember correctly), some posters in the comments section had commented on how distasteful and full of stereotypes his writing was. I guess that it does not help when his writing style--or a lack of it anyway--complicates matters.....then again, his lack of a writing style is about as bad as those in the incumbent government who can use a whole new vocabulary which never really existed in the English language: think of the one who called flooding 'ponding'....I would seriously throw an epileptic fit and RAISE HELL if that minister was in my English class, because without any hesitation, he would IMMEDIATELY get an 'F' grade.
DeleteAiyah to be fair, uncle GG is older lah, the standard of English has improved over the years and older Singaporeans didn't have the benefit of growing up with more British/American media to help improve our English. Look at my mother for example, she speaks Singlish because everyone around her who tried to speak English spoke that way, she didn't have a TV when she was growing up in the 40s and 50s - so she ended up copying those around her and once she adopted that style of English (quite similar to GG's), that's it she was stuck in her ways and she can recognize the difference between good and bad English but she can't talk any other way. There's so much we take for granted - simply being able to watch TV as a child ensured that I didn't end up talking like my mother.
DeleteI think that GG is generally innocuous if you ask me, and the more dangerous ones are the ones in power. They are the ones who fail on that front of spoken communication with all the various euphemisms and mangled English they use. My parents sadly do not seem to be able to speak much English, my dad included, and if it were not for the fact that they were already more or less politically aware to begin with, I think they might jolly well have made that silly blunder of believing mainstream media and thinking that everything it says is true. My dad actually believes that Chee Soon Juan is a PAP mole(no comments lol...that is the silliest theory around, and I wonder how much he gets paid to be the mole if so lol....arghhh....not even one ounce of plausibility here...) as a result of all that small talk circulating inside the coffee shops.......:(
DeleteSpeaking of bad English, remember the Seng Han Thong debacle? http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/seng-han-thong-debacle.html
DeleteHmmm...I was actually out of Singapore then. It always looks like the PAP loves to shoot itself in the foot with its own rhetoric....way to go...GOOD JOB, as a Canadian friend of mine(ironically of former Singaporean parents) used to say about people who blunder sarcastically!
DeleteBy the way, the person who mentioned his Malay and Indian friends was Kwan, the emcee, not GG. My wife and I were bewildered.
ReplyDeleteAdditionally, the guy talking between the speakers was usually also Kwan. In fact, Gilbert spent most of the time in the background.
Ah, okay, that info was given to me by my friend who was there for the event, I shall ask him to respond.
DeleteHe said, "ah
Deletewell, i was nowhere near the stage
so i'll accept what he says
and probably ask if kwan is probably a sidekick of gilbert's at his transitioning organisation?"
I'm not sure about Kwan, but I think he's mentioned that he's had a long association with Gilbert. He's also emceed at transitioning's previous events.
ReplyDeleteLook, regardless whether Gilbert is racist or xenophobic or not, I respect him because he had the balls and initiative to organise something like this, especially as there were no immediate apparent benefits. I joined the page just after it was formed, and nobody would have thought the event would have gotten this much attention, even with the MSM blackout. One also has to give him credit for being able to adapt to the massive response and organize a pretty good event.
Oh yeah, I don't want to take that credit away from GG in terms of what he has set out to achieve and hats off to him for having the balls to do something like that (when most Singaporeans would worry about angering and offending the PAP in doing something like this). Perhaps we're being way too critical about how bad his English is and what I am doing is nothing short of bullying him over his poor command of English.
DeleteI have to say, I read Siew Kum Hong's attack on Gilbert Goh, and it seemed like he's got a personal vendetta or something. My jaw dropped when I read this line- "I'd take 2 million more foreigners than one more Gilbert Goh."
ReplyDeleteThis to me was just as tasteless as the article.
I think the issue of tact goes both ways lah. Siew has a point but if he sticks the knife in and twists it, then he could come across as a bit of a bully. Yes GG is a bull in a china shop who no can talk engrish one - but there's no need to kick a man when he is down.
DeleteAdam and Limpeh please cut Gilbert some slack on his English. He is a good guy. I first met him personally a while ago at an event he organised with an employer for the benefit of PMET job seekers. He really wanted to help and he really had to deal with some real losers who turned up. It wasn't pleasant sitting next to some of his clients and if I were an employer (which I was before) I would not have given some of them a even job as toilet cleaners.
DeleteMy point is Gilbert has to deal with a lot of these unpleasant whiners, sour complainers, and spoilt losers who come to him in transitioning.org - and it wears him down. I think he is overwhelmed by demands for his attention and criticisms from his foes and it shows. He's only 50, not old but looks much older, more like 60. But I concur that his heart is at the right place and I hope he learns from his mistakes and wish him well. I hope his small rally will be the spark of a protest culture.
Thanks for your comment B Tiger. Like I said, I am treating Gilbert fairly and I give him recognition for the charitable & noble deeds that Transitioning has achieved - but then again, I felt compelled to speak up to say that Gilbert doesn't always give good advice. There's a difference between good intentions and good advice and no one disputes that Gilbert is full of good intentions - but his brand of career advice leaves much to be desired I'm afraid, sometimes it's so terrible I cringe in utter horror and feel obliged to write a counterargument to his terrible advice as in http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/an-alternative-response-to-gilbert-gohs.html Then again, these people will run to someone like GG who has the patience for them, whilst someone like me would be far less patient as I am far more pragmatic. I'm not part of the sayang-sayang brigade, I'm way too practical and pragmatic.
DeleteI don't think people are making such a big fuss about his bad English - it's no big deal, my dad can barely string a sentence together in English as he was educated at a Chinese school. We don't dispute the fact that GG is essentially a good guy with good intentions, but we cannot completely ignore the language issue - after all, could it be simply his poor command of English that has led to this terrible misunderstanding and miscommunication? If he had the abilities to write more eloquently and articulate his feelings a bit more clearly, would he have offended this many people? So you see, even if you want to be PC about it, you still cannot run away from the function of English as a means of communication in our society.
Hi LFT,
DeleteGreetings from Singapura.
I saw your blogs few hours back and I just couldn't stop reading it for last few hours.
You write really well.
May I ask which University you graduated from?
Thanks & keep writing.
- Tom
Hi Tom,
DeleteDoes it matter what universities I attended? Do you think you might know me from my university days? :)
Hi LFT,
DeleteI was just being curious. It is alright if you don't want to reveal.
Thanks.
Actually, on another count, that GG guy technically is not the guy who dispenses the information outside of his blog most of the time. I remembered how when I was still job hunting in Singapore(before I eventually moved on overseas), that he had asked some other career coaches to help me in terms of getting me to send my CV over and also to talk about amending and tweaking it to become 'less academic' and more current with the needs of a job market. His career advice in the aspects of his blog posts are the ones which need more monitoring though, since I am not sure about his background in social work, and find that some of his posts are random editions of other people's writings to create a certain effect(A BAD EFFECT....sorry, he asked me for an interview once, but amended and edited the interview such that it did NOT read like my views at all). It all goes back to his need for a real copy-editor.
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