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Wednesday 20 June 2018
Tallinn, the Football World Cup and Patriotism
Hi, I've just returned from Finland and Estonia, yes I've had an insane amount of traveling of late!. You see, my company is expanding in Estonia, we have opened an office in Tallinn and have hired many people there and I spent the weekend there getting to know my new team better. Wages are lower in Tallinn and you can hire 2 or 3 people for everyone one person you hire in London: but it goes beyond that, people in Tallinn are a lot more hungry for opportunities with it being a much smaller city. The population of Tallinn is about 450,000 and the total population in all of Estonia is just 1.3 million. The brightest young people in my industry prefer to work for the big banks, whilst in Estonia, many of these big banks don't even have a presence there and so there are far fewer opportunities for young people who are extremely highly educated and speak English (amongst other languages) fluently. Thus we have managed to get a highly motivated team who are working extremely hard, we are moving most of our back office operations to Tallinn whilst keeping the sales staff in London. And I know what you're going to ask: I am a salesman, I am on the sales team, not the technical side so my job is not going to Estonia. And of course, you can always view all my photos and videos from this trip on Instagram.
There were two things that made me feel a bit uncomfortable in Tallinn - whilst I got along well with my new Estonian colleagues, at the back of my mind, I did wonder what they thought about the London team? Was there resentment about the fact that we're generally better paid in London? I don't know - the topic of money never came up, everybody seemed extremely happy doing what they were doing and the team seemed to work well together. And the second thing that made me feel somewhat uneasy was the football - oh I just don't get it, they we were, in this beautiful city of Tallinn and all the guys wanted to do was to drink beer and watch football instead of exploring Tallinn. Fortunately, I managed to find two other colleagues who felt the same way and we had a brilliant time exploring Tallinn together. Even in Tallinn, there were various groups of football supporters and that's the part I just don't understand: after all, these guys are just supporting a football team, they have no input into the process so even if their team does win, they are merely celebrating the fact that they got an outcome they wanted. Is that any excuse to derive any joy or pride? Personally, I don't think so, but the football fans don't seem to care and there were loads of them everywhere I went on this trip. Can football with the right amount of alcohol genuinely make people bond? Am I way too cynical about the power of football?
You see, most of the time at work, I'm pretty much left on my own - I know what I have to do and I deliver, I often work from home and my boss really doesn't care whether I go into the office or not as long as I get the work done. Thus the bonding weekend was a little bit tense for me because whilst I knew everyone there, I didn't quite know just how much they earned. Take the team from our Estonian office for example, some are more senior than others and I knew some were paid more than others - but I didn't have the details and I don't think I will ever find out. It wasn't the kind of information that was crucial, I didn't need to know but at some level, I just wanted to find out where everyone stood relative to each other, if there was going to be a pecking order based on how much each individual earned in the company because let's face it, some of us are paid a lot whilst others not very much. Just because you work for a successful company doesn't mean that you are earning a lot of money - heck, you could probably go to a big investment bank like Merrill Lynch or JP Morgan and find secretaries or janitors who are struggling to make ends meet. The fact that they are technically speaking working at a famous investment bank doesn't translate to them making any more money than their peers. Simply attaching yourself to a successful organisation doesn't necessary mean you're successful, especially if you're the one cleaning the toilets or the secretary stuck in a basement doing the paperwork at JP Morgan
This is primarily the reason why I prefer to stand out as an individual rather than try to identify myself with any group in society just to derive some kind of sense of belonging. But that makes me strange, weird and highly unusual because humans have always tried to form communities with whom they share some kind of connection with so they will be able to say, "I belong to this tribe." And tribes come in various shapes and forms, we make belonging to such a tribe a fun experience. Think about what Christians do at church on Sundays: they don't just worship together, they have amazing choirs, they have various social activities to make fellowship interesting and fun, there is often some food and drink and the social aspect of going to church becomes an important feature of the routine of being a Christian. If this was simply a matter of religious devotion, the Christian can go to a church on a weekday and pray in solitude without any of the 'Sunday service' experience. Us humans have created huge, colourful festivals to celebrate a sense of belonging, to bring people together and another example of that would be the National Day celebrations in various countries designed to foster a sense of patriotism. We have been doing this as humans for centuries - so for individuals to somehow identify themselves with their national football team is simply a logical extension of this mentality, but I do have a problem with it.
If you are truly patriotic, then why focus on the outcome of a football match, played by a very small group of highly paid professionals? Why not focus on something from your country's history rather than pin all your hopes on an unlikely outcome like your country winning the World Cup? After all, only one team can win the World Cup, so what happens to all the others who have supported a team that didn't win then? Where does this leave them in terms of their patriotism after their team suffers a humiliating defeat? Riots broke out in Buenos Aires when disappointed fans ran amok in the streets, vandalizing everything from cars to shops, clashing with riot police after Argentina lost to Germany in the finals. What kind of patriotism is this, where your pride in your country is dependent on the outcome of a football match which you have no control over? That's just so warped. That's why I am probably the least patriotic person you will meet, I do not believe in handing over my self-esteem to a third party whom I have no control over. I prefer to derive my pride entirely from the things that I have achieved personally - now some people call me an egoist by that token, others find my lack of patriotism shocking. But look at how the Argentinian fans caused so much trouble in their own capital city after their defeat and tell me this is a healthy form of patriotism. Even the Argentinians were embarrassed by what happened.
My theory would have been completely valid except of course, loads of people who are professionals, who have highly successful careers also follow and enjoy the World Cup in Russia - they have plenty of successes they can be proud of but they still enjoy football.What's the difference then? Let me tell you about a lawyer friend of mine - this guy is super rich, highly successful and he took great interest in the Japan vs Colombia match. So I think okay, this man is English, he probably is simply appreciating the finer aspects of the sport because he can't possibly have any affiliation with Japan or Colombia: why should he care who wins then? Surely this is the very spirit of true sportsmanship, someone who loves the sport for what it is rather than trying to personally associate himself with the team that is playing, right? Well, in an ideal world, sure - but this being my world, you know this is never going to be the case. Turns out that this lawyer had bet quite a lot of money on Japan beating Colombia against the odds and sure enough, Japan came through and he took a lot of pride in not Japan's victory per se, but his ability as a gambler, as a football pundit to not just pick the correct winner but to also have the balls to bet a lot of his money on it. So much for him simply appreciating football for what it is, he had somehow found a way to make the Japan vs Colombia game about him rather than, well, the teams that played that match. But to be fair, at least he did win quite a lot of money in the process and there was some skill involved in that.
So there you go, that's it from me on this issue, what do you think? Do you actually know how much your colleagues earn or is that an issue that you have never even thought about? Are your friends interested in the football now and how do they pick the team they are supporting? What do you think about the unholy mix of patriotism and football, given the way that often ends in tears when your team doesn't win? And can you explain the psychology behind the way football fans can derive so much joy from supporting a team? Cos I just don't get it. I'll celebrate and be happy when I make a huge sale and can run round the office high-fiving everyone - that's what makes me happy, when I can point to something and say, "I pulled that off, I claim credit for that, that was all my effort, who's your daddy?" But how can anyone celebrate when they have merely witnessed a goal being scored on TV? Please leave a comment below, many thanks for reading.
I am a Singaporean and have been a longtime avid (albeit sleeper) reader of your blog. I must admit your insights are rather refreshing compared to the local populace.
I will be working in UK in the near future and I have a few personal questions that maybe you could answer or advise. Please let me know how i can contact you.
Thanks for your comment. How about this - post those questions here as a comment and I promise you I will turn it into a blog post for you. That way, all my readers will get to share the information and perhaps this will lead to more questions and discussions.
I hope you understand that I will spend quite a lot of time and effort answering your questions anyway, so all I am asking is for us to share that discussion openly on my blog so others may benefit from reading the information, makes sense right? I do get thousands of people reading my blog everyday and it's what I enjoy doing. It's all very open and thus by that token, as a rule, I never enter into personal email correspondences with my readers (not unless I get to know them really well, then that's a different issue and there are a few readers who have become super good friends of mine).
Are those questions really thaaaat personal? Share them, let's talk openly. Thanks.
And can you explain the psychology behind the way football fans can derive so much joy from supporting a team? Source : https://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/11/sports/sports-psychology-it-isn-t-just-a-game-clues-to-avid-rooting.html
Well Jonathan, it's nothing new and it's a psychology that has been around way before the advent of modern football. We have seen this in religion for centuries, when people who have little in their lives attach themselves to some kind of religious order and derive pride, a sense of belonging as a part of that community. There is a fundamental difference though.
The coming of spring is a vital festival in many cultures as it marks the end of the winter and so there are plenty of rituals involving music, dancing and celebrations to mark the end of the cold winter and the coming of the spring. Chinese new year is pretty much that really (for those of you in Singapore, you don't have winter but imagine what it is like in Northern China where there are bitterly cold winters). So these festivals are not dependent on the outcome of a football match where there are three outcomes: you win, lose or draw.
So traditionally, people do celebrate and enjoy festivals like Chinese new year because the new year has arrived, there's no 'win, lose or draw' outcome - nothing to decide whether or not you have a good time celebrating or if you are bemoaning the dismal defeat of your team.
So if these are genuinely poor people who need something great to associate themselves with, people who have nothing hoping to gleam some sense of glory or victory through a football team ... then I just don't get it. There's no team in the world that will never lose, so why face the agony of your team losing? Why not just get drunk during your Chinese new year celebrations because there's no outcome to worry about?
I agree. Joseph Schooling won Olympic Gold,many Singaporean celebrated. But how many supported him before he won? I go as far to say only people like his parents and coach have the right as they had supported him long before he got famous
Hi Limpeh,
ReplyDeleteI am a Singaporean and have been a longtime avid (albeit sleeper) reader of your blog. I must admit your insights are rather refreshing compared to the local populace.
I will be working in UK in the near future and I have a few personal questions that maybe you could answer or advise. Please let me know how i can contact you.
Kind regards,
Gin
Hi Gin,
DeleteThanks for your comment. How about this - post those questions here as a comment and I promise you I will turn it into a blog post for you. That way, all my readers will get to share the information and perhaps this will lead to more questions and discussions.
I hope you understand that I will spend quite a lot of time and effort answering your questions anyway, so all I am asking is for us to share that discussion openly on my blog so others may benefit from reading the information, makes sense right? I do get thousands of people reading my blog everyday and it's what I enjoy doing. It's all very open and thus by that token, as a rule, I never enter into personal email correspondences with my readers (not unless I get to know them really well, then that's a different issue and there are a few readers who have become super good friends of mine).
Are those questions really thaaaat personal? Share them, let's talk openly. Thanks.
And can you explain the psychology behind the way football fans can derive so much joy from supporting a team?
ReplyDeleteSource : https://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/11/sports/sports-psychology-it-isn-t-just-a-game-clues-to-avid-rooting.html
Basically because we really are tribal creatures
Well Jonathan, it's nothing new and it's a psychology that has been around way before the advent of modern football. We have seen this in religion for centuries, when people who have little in their lives attach themselves to some kind of religious order and derive pride, a sense of belonging as a part of that community. There is a fundamental difference though.
DeleteThe coming of spring is a vital festival in many cultures as it marks the end of the winter and so there are plenty of rituals involving music, dancing and celebrations to mark the end of the cold winter and the coming of the spring. Chinese new year is pretty much that really (for those of you in Singapore, you don't have winter but imagine what it is like in Northern China where there are bitterly cold winters). So these festivals are not dependent on the outcome of a football match where there are three outcomes: you win, lose or draw.
So traditionally, people do celebrate and enjoy festivals like Chinese new year because the new year has arrived, there's no 'win, lose or draw' outcome - nothing to decide whether or not you have a good time celebrating or if you are bemoaning the dismal defeat of your team.
So if these are genuinely poor people who need something great to associate themselves with, people who have nothing hoping to gleam some sense of glory or victory through a football team ... then I just don't get it. There's no team in the world that will never lose, so why face the agony of your team losing? Why not just get drunk during your Chinese new year celebrations because there's no outcome to worry about?
I agree. Joseph Schooling won Olympic Gold,many Singaporean celebrated. But how many supported him before he won? I go as far to say only people like his parents and coach have the right as they had supported him long before he got famous
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