Saturday 12 August 2017

Would you choose to make your son do NS if you had a choice?

Hi guys! Let's revisit another favourite topic of mine - national service in Singapore. Now before we get started, a little context: there is a Facebook group called Singaporeans in the UK Association, abbreviated as SUKA. That is an intended pun as the word 'suka' in Malay means 'like', it is also a loanword that has been borrowed into Hokkien with the same meaning, though it tends to sound more like 'sukat' in Singaporean-Hokkien. Although some people have pointed out that 'suka' is also a common swearword in Russian "сука" (pronounced 'suka') and that is considered very rude. Suka is also the way some people have shortened the word 'sucker' in English, which is a derogatory term as well. I stumbled upon this group last year when I was doing research for my start up and was thinking of promoting one of the products to groups of foreign students. I then found the group particularly useful to get information when researching for the Irene Clennell story. The people in the group tend not to be Singaporean students in the UK, but rather long term residents in the UK who have held on to their Singaporean nationality. Former Singaporeans who have adopted British nationality are quite unlikely to be members of SUKA. So with that in mind, let's look at their attitudes towards national service (NS).
Is NS actually good for your sons?

They clearly prefer to be Singaporean rather than British, because most of them probably can naturalize as British citizens today if they wanted to, but because Singapore does not allow for dual nationality, many chose to hold on to their Singaporean passports whilst keeping their expatriate status in the UK. One of the tricky issues often discussed on the Facebook group is the issue of NS: even though these Singaporeans are resident in the UK, their sons are required to return to Singapore to serve NS should their parents choose to make them adopt their nationality (instead of making them British). It seems like a pretty shocking decision to me - to put your son on a flight halfway around the world, to an alien culture, where they may face huge language and cultural barriers to serve NS? Woah. That seems particularly harsh if the boys were brought up in the UK and have barely spent more than a few weeks at a time visiting Singapore on holiday. And what do you gain by making your sons do NS then? Besides, whilst their peers have started university, you're disrupting their education and putting them 2 to 3 years behind their peers by making them return to Singapore to serve NS. To me, it is definitely a very poor choice, I just hope their sons had a say in that decision though I strongly doubt it. For a Singaporean boy born abroad to avoid NS, it is a tedious process that has to begin before the boy turns 11 and if you miss any of the steps, then the boy will either have to serve NS or never set foot in Singapore again. 

But there are loads of Singapore in SUKA who are singing praises of NS and plenty more with sons born and/or raised in the UK, these parents fully intend to put their sons on a plane when they turn 18 and send them back to Singapore to do NS when really, they had the option to dodge it. So why would someone in that position voluntarily subject their sons to NS, whilst thousands of Singaporean men are trying to find ways to get a downgrade? I usually sit back and don't say much in that Facebook group, but I just had to engage this guy who sang praises of NS. I made it clear that I had a nephew in Singapore who would have to do NS in about 4 years and if I had a choice, I'd rather he didn't have to do it but it is too late. This is what he had to say about NS, let's call him Mr YS and this is what he said. What he said does go a long way to explain why Singaporean parents in the UK would gladly send their sons back to Singapore to serve NS. 
Would you avoid NS if you had the choice? 

"NS is good. Learning how to submit yourself to authority, learning the discipline to do things you don't want/like to do. I've heard positive things from employers with global work experience comment on how much more mature Singaporean men are. How much more mentally tough they are. If you put your time in NS in a positive manner, you will get a lot of confidence by the time you're done. It reflects life in many ways. You don't always get to choose your bosses, colleagues or work. NS teaches you a lot if you are humble, positive, open about it. It's a system that sees all kinds go through."

Now I didn't want to submit Mr YS to a wall of text, so I am writing a longer reply here because I prefer expressing myself on my blog than on Facebook. I didn't want to make it sound as if I was picking a fight with him either - he's entitled to his point of view and what he wants to subject his son to, well, that's his business. I do feel that what he said was misguided at best. Firstly, I am shocked at the way he talks about the young men who start NS at the age of NS: these are not children who have learnt absolutely nothing at school, nor have their had any discipline from their (very strict) Asian parents! Dealing with authority? Don't Singaporean students do that at school already, right from the point they begin kindergarten or play school? Discipline is enforced from a very early age in our strict Asian culture - it is not like the students get to run amok and do what the hell they like in a consequences free environment whilst the teachers stand back and do nothing. If anything, Singaporean students are put under an insane amount of stress by extremely strict teachers and parents, setting very high standards, pushing them to achieve a lot, working to strict deadlines and that's just in the classroom. Those of us who have also done sports as students experience that same kind of super strict discipline when training - that is the reason why Singapore is a country that punches above its weight in sports internationally despite being a relatively small country. I had the Chinese piano teacher from hell, who would hit my knuckles with a cane if I struck the wrong notes even though I was 5. If I struck a few notes wrong, she would pick up the music book and slap me across the face with it. She was simply seen as a strict teacher enforcing discipline, rather than insane. So you wanna talk about discipline? This is Singapore, our very strict Asian discipline starts at a very young age!
I'm sure my readers are all nodding in agreement when I talk about the kind of strict upbringing that Singaporean kids are subjected to - so why is Mr YS talking about them as if they are a bunch of ill-disciplined, narcissistic, lazy kids who need to be 'reformed' through the harsh regime of NS? I think he's being extremely unfair to the vast majority of Singaporean young men who have had the kind of strict Asian upbringing I have talked about and on the day of their enlistment, they already have a good attitude, already have a healthy relationship with authority and know a great deal about discipline - they have already gleamed many valuable lessons from the first 18 years of their lives. And of course, there will be some Singaporean young men who have fallen through the net - maybe they came from broken families and their parents didn't really care about them, maybe they dropped out of school and fell into the wrong crowd in their teenage years. Maybe they have already had run-ins with the law prior to their enlistment - well guess what? NS isn't a magic wand that is going to reform all of these troubled characters. There are complex underlying reasons why these young men have become the way they are and if the underlying problems are not addressed and resolved, then they will keep on getting into trouble during NS and after NS. Putting them in an environment where they are forced to submit to a very strict regime will only make them rebel even more, especially if one just assumes that they will conform like everyone else.

In the second half of my NS stint, I worked in a reservist unit where I had to deal with a lot of reservists during their various activities and I had access to all their dockets. Boy, there were a lot of stories about men who have had very troubled backgrounds and difficult childhoods (often through no fault of their own). Putting them in NS wasn't some kind of magic solution that suddenly gave them a sense of home and belonging they never had, instead when you throw in a bunch of guys who have little in common with each other - you are bound to have friction and subsequently, trouble. A lot of it.  There were so many stories of guys who rebelled against the authority of the SAF because that's what they did in school with their teachers and at home with their parents. A boy will obey his parents if he respects them and defies them if he has nothing but contempt for them. And if a recruit has no respect for the authority of the SAF, there will be trouble and that's why many young men end up in the Detention Barracks (ie. military jail). The SAF can punish these troubled young men but punishment and rehabilitation are two quite different things.When you don't have the latter, you get repeat offenders who never change. It takes a certain level of emotional maturity to figure how to work with senior officers in the SAF whom you really dislike and have little respect for but unfortunately, the SAF gives you no help at all in that aspect. The young recruits are simply placed in a difficult situation then expected to take advantage of that by figuring this quagmire out for themselves and then say, "hey, I've learnt a lot from the experience." Well it takes a lot of intelligence and EQ to figure that one out and not all young men will be able to do it on their own, certainly not without a lot of help.
Do you have the EQ to deal with difficult people in NS?

This is tantamount to chucking a bunch of people out of a boat in the middle of the sea and saying to them, "for those of you who don't know how to swim, now's a good time to learn!" Some of us enter NS with better social skills than others whilst others enter NS with very little social skills. It is a fallacy that NS teaches you social skills - no, it doesn't. If your social skills suck on the day of your enlistment, at the ripe old age of 18, then I blame the parents for not having done more to have developed that aspect of the child's soft skills because these are things you pick up as a child, not as an adult. If the parents have messed up, don't expect the SAF to fix your child's problems. That is wholly unrealistic and unfair - you jolly well do your job as parents, how dare you have the nerve pass the buck to the SAF at the age of 18 when you've totally let your son down. I was very lucky in that I had older siblings and many cousins whom were a big part of my childhood, so from a young age, I was always playing with other children and even simple things like listening to others or expressing empathy are often taken for granted. In contrast, I worry about my nephew who is an only child and spends long hours on his own either studying hard or playing computer games. Either way, he is not interacting enough with other children and thus his social skills are not as well developed as they should be. Chucking him in a sink or swim situation will have predictable consequences and thus that is why I am quite concerned about him serving NS.

I would also challenge what Mr YS said about "you don't always get to choose your bosses, your colleagues, your work." Actually, that's not always true - unlike NS, we often do have a choice about what we want to do. Students start planning their future careers as early as secondary school, as you need certain subjects to go down a certain career path. So if you plan to become a doctor, then you would need to do biology. Then after you graduate, you start that process of looking for that ideal job. If you don't like what you are offered (low pay, long hours, don't like the boss etc), you can always say no and look for something better - you do have a choice.  We are constantly exercising careful judgement and making big decisions for our careers. And even if things start out okay at a company, you may end up having new colleagues or a new manager whom you just don't get along well with - you're not a slave, you always have the option of leaving to find a better job if things really became unbearable. In fact, bosses are very conscious about how they treat their employees because if you push them too hard, they can just quit and you don't want to lose your best talent like that. Whereas in NS, the only way to leave is to finish serving the full duration of your conscription - that is why it is massively different from the civilian world. If your boss is a dumb jackass, then quit already. But if your commanding officer is a dumb jackass, oh dear, there's little you can do about the situation apart from putting up with it. I would never encourage anyone in the civilian world to put up with an awaful situation at work if they had the option of simply quitting.
You can always quit, you know.

But wait, students and teenagers have to put up with a lot of crap they don't like either. Student gets no say over the teacher they get in school - short of changing schools altogether (a pretty drastic step), you are basically stuck with whomever you get whether you like them or not, whether they are good or terrible. And need I state the obvious? Children don't get to choose their parents - it is fine if you do get along with your parents but if you don't, then the situation can become very difficult (and that is why I am living 8 time zones away from my parents today). Oh I bet so many of the parents in SUKA just assume that their children love and adore them, but how many of their children are actually just putting up with them in a diplomatic manner, just waiting for the day they are old enough to move away from their parents? How is that any different from the way a soldier puts up with a commanding officer he can't stand, slowly biding his time, waiting for the day of his ORD? Children not only don't get to choose their parents - oh no, they are constantly overruled by their parents: major decisions are often taken by parents on behalf of their children and the poor kids just don't get a say even in a decision that could affect them adversely. Children don't get a say when they take on their parents' religion, they get very little or no say in their education, they need their parents' permission even just to go to the movies with their friends, heck they probably have little say in where the family goes on holiday. Oh and the classic example of this is when Singaporean parents in the UK send their kids back to Singapore to serve NS. Whatever made Mr YS think that children actually have no experience putting up with crap they hated? This is nothing new for them.

Let's move on to the bit which made me laugh out aloud. "I've heard positive things from employers with global work experience comment on how much more mature Singaporean men are. How much more mentally tough they are." Yeah right. As if. I've never once heard that and I have been working in so many countries around the world, with people of so many nationalities - they have had good and bad things to say about Singapore, but Singaporean men being more mature and mentally tough? Oh what utter bullshit! Firstly, let's take a look at this list of traits displayed by emotionally mature people. Now to be fair, if you are emotionally mature, you will cope well in NS because it means you can adapt to the new environment a lot more quickly, you will be able to relate to people around you a lot better, you will be far more resourceful to resolve conflicts you may encounter in camp and you will rise to the challenge of being taken out of your comfort zone. Are all guys who served NS emotionally mature? Hell no, I've seen so many guys struggle from the day they enlist to the day they ORD. This is because the SAF doesn't really do anything to try to nurture that aspect of your emotional maturity - it is just taken for granted that you should try to become more mature in your outlook as that would make your life easier. NS doesn't make your more mature - however, people who are more emotionally mature will thrive a lot better during NS and get a lot more out of the experience. When I questioned him about this claim, he played the "I'm only reporting what other people have said, that's what I have heard them say" card, rather than defend his claim.
"Oh I've heard someone say that..."

There is another aspect of NS that doesn't make men more 'mature' - men are in fact infantalized in the army. You are told what to wear, when you sleep, when you wake up, what to do each day, what work to do, how to do it, you eat what you are given, you are even ordered to drink water (ie. the infamous 'water parades') - essentially, you have to follow strict orders and any decision making is completely removed from your life. That is exactly what happens to a toddler, would a parent trust a 3 year old boy to take care of himself? Absolutely not - there will always be a responsible adult to make decisions for all aspects of the boy's life. It is only as adults that we take on more and more responsibility. How are you going to mature when you are simply blindly following orders, without exercising any judgement whatsoever? Even if an order seems like a really bad idea, the default response of the soldier is simply, "I had better not say anything, just in case I get into trouble for questioning authority. I don't want to cause offence." How is that any different from a young boy feeling frustrated with his parents' poor decisions, but knows that he has no influence over them? Putting men in that position simply makes them switch off, keep their heads down, their mouths shut and go into that child like mode - that's the complete opposite of maturity. You want your son to be mature - send him away to work for a year in another country where he has to fend for himself, make every single decision for himself everyday and take responsibility for them.

As for being "mentally tough", that's an assumption that Mr YS made because many soldiers are made to endure some very physically and mentally demanding activities during their time at NS and having survived that makes you tougher. Well, I beg to differ. You can put ten guys through the same training regime and get ten different responses. Some people respond well under stressful circumstances, in fact, it may take a bit of pressure and compteition to bring out the very best in them. I see that a lot in gymnastics, where gymnasts push themselves very hard in order to beat their rivals. However, some people do not respond well to this kind of pressure and may fall apart in quite a spectacular way, the classic example is the case of Ouyang Xiangyu - the scholar who tried to murder her lab mates when she succumbed to the stress placed on her at Stanford University. Mr YS is making the assumption that the men will respond positively to all these difficult challenges and come out stronger - well that's just being blindly optimistic because quite a lot of men will crumble under the pressure if they are just not mentally strong enough to cope with it. Many of the factors that determine whether or not a young man will be able to deal with that kind of pressure depends on the first 18 years of their lives, their upbringing and childhood, prior to their enlistment. And even if you have a great son who is a mature, independent and intelligent young man, you still have no control at all over what kind of people he would have to live and work with in NS - they may turn out to be the nastiest people from hell and will give your son a hard time through no fault of his own. 
Now what I am saying is just common sense and I assure you that people in the West do not have any kind of favourable impression of Singaporean men just because they have served NS. Yes there are some favourable stereotypes of Singaporeans in the West: like all other East Asians (South Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Hongkongers, Taiwanese etc) we are perceived to be very hardworking but that stereotype applies across the board including to countries like Japan, China and Hong Kong which do not have conscription and they are considered no less inferior to those from South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan where the men have to serve mandatory NS, In fact, if you were to ask a typical white person in London the question, "which East Asian countries have mandatory military service for men and which don't?" Chances are, they would not be able to answer that question correctly as it is an issue that simply doesn't affect them at all. Their favourable impressions of East Asian people in general - including the women, who do not have to serve NS anyway - is based on our Asian culture, parenting methods and work ethic. NS, really, nothing to do with the favourable stereotypes of East Asians in general here in the West. It is one thing for older Singaporean men to have an opinion of the impact of NS as they have been through the process themselves, but what about your average white person in London, New York or Sydney? Most Angmohs would simply say, "Well, I don't know enough about how national service works in your country to form any kind of opinion about the issue, so I shall just treat each Singaporean man I meet as an individual and access each of them on a case by case basis, rather than make any sweeping assumptions, okay?"

To be fair to Mr YS, I did give him a chance to respond to my points - I didn't want to leave you with the impression that he is completely brainwashed by the PAP that NS is the best gift from the Singaporean government to you male Singaporeans. I think that he has already made up his mind that he is going to send his son back to Singapore to serve NS, so he's just going to assume that it is all going to work out fine. It's a bit like when I had booked that holiday to the Dominican Republic last year - I had heard both good and bad things about the country, I even got nervous about how predatory it was going to be and how poorly organized public transport was there. But once I had booked the flights, I decided to adopt a positive attitude and convince myself that I was going to have a good time there. Sure things weren't perfect when I got there but there's no point in trying to talk yourself out of a decision once you have already committed to it. You may as well just hope for the best and not think about the worst case scenario. Would Mr YS's son cope well in NS having grown up in the UK? We don't know. But for what it is worth, here is Mr YS's response to some of the points I have made (I am compiling several comments which he has posted - it would be way too long to cut and paste all of it).
"NS is not going to a fix-all. Of course there will be idiots. No one said every single post-NS male is a dream hire. It is of course meant in a general sense. People like you who have a great upbringing, others who don't, could do with some NS. Many 18 year olds do not have a purpose like you do, representing your country. Everybody arrives at NS differently and it is an opportunity for those who haven't, to grow up. So NS can serve as a good opportunity to bring them up to speed on life - if they keep a positive and open attitude as I said. You won't figure everything out, you probably still won't know what you want to do with your life but by golly, you find out what you don't want to do. And it put things in perspective. By contrast, a lot of things in life don't seem as bad. NS is of course not the be all and end all. I'm just saying that if taken correctly, you can make something of it. Sometimes you learn something without even knowing. Years later, you can be working another incompetent buffoon but because it's nothing new to you, you are able to take it in stride better or you may have learnt to deal with him/her better and to be able to negotiate a better outcome for yourself because you have experience with the situation. It is but an opportunity is all I'm saying. As parents, it's important to frame the situation for our kids because they are not going to just get it. If you have to spend 2 years in NS, make the best of it. What do you think you can learn from it. People skills? Things they don't teach in school? How do you deal with adversity? How do you explore your own limits? Like I said, NS like every institution you will be a part of, is an opportunity. Nothing more. Maybe I am overly optimistic, but I think there is no point in not being so. If I can find a positive out of a shitty experience such as NS, I can find a positive out of any experience in my life."

Oh he seems to have changed his tuned at the end of all that - after having sang so many praises about NS, he ends with calling it a "shitty experience". Oh my, what a contrast.  The change of tone in his response in drastic but it also reflects a far more realistic and honest reflection about Mr YS's own experience with NS. If he had offered the second piece in the first instance, maybe I wouldn't have reacted quite the way I did because it does sound a lot more reasonable than the first. This tells us a lot more about what is actually going on in his head here - this isn't that different from say a father sending his child away to university. Sure there are things that can go wrong - the child  could totally crack under pressure like Ouyang Xiangyu or even have a miserable time trying to fit in and find new friends. But of course, the parents know that worrying about the worst case scenarios is fruitless, so they try to convince themselves that everything will be fine by talking about all the positive aspects of going to university, focusing on the success stories whilst ignoring any evidence to the contrary. If Mr YS's son is going to have to do NS regardless, perhaps Mr YS is trying hard to convince himself that everything is going to be alright, that he has indeed made the right decision for his son because regardless of how Mr YS may feel about the SAF and NS, I am sure he wouldn't want to see his son crumble, suffer and end up totally resenting his father for having made a wrong decision. Mr YS is in a tough position, I'm sure he has all the best intentions and wants the best for his son but time will tell whether or not he has made the right decision. 
Do you think Mr YS has made the right decision?

Okay, so that's it from me on this issue. Over to you, if you were living abroad and had the opportunity to make sure your son doesn't have to serve NS, would you spare him of that liability? Or would you agree with Mr YS that it would be the best thing for the boy? What factors would influence your decision whether or not NS is right for your son? Or would you allow the boy himself to make that decision? Personally, I believe the opportunity cost of spending 2 years doing NS is extremely high - but that is only if the boy already has a place in a good university and should just get on with his education. If he has nothing better to do with his life and nothing to lose by spending two years in Singapore, then that new experience might actually be quite beneficial for him. Let me know what you think please. Many thanks for reading.

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  1. Wait a moment, first i agree with all your points about countering Mr YS viewpoints. However at the start of the article you talked about children of Singaporean who are UK long term stayers. So saying that the Singapore education system would be strict and teach them discipline and respect for authority are not exactly accurate since they are probably in the UK education system.
    Then again if we are talking about these group of Singaporeans it would very much depend on their long term plans on staying in the UK would be, if they intend to return to Singapore their son would have to serve NS, no two ways about it. If they want to convert to a UK citizen they should have made that decision long ago since they probably would have missed the boat in getting their son to renounce citizenship and he would be legally liable for NS. So they are stuck having to never visit Singapore again even on holiday or get their son to serve NS. None of which would be an easy decision to make.

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    1. Hello my friend - you ask the best questions and I was about to type a really long reply but then decided to turn it into my next blog post. So for now, I thank you for your great question and shall write my next post for you about British parenting and Singaporeans here.

      I agree that a lot of that depends on their long term plans - though I can't help but feel bad for the son involved: surely he should get a say in the decision. Fine, if the parents wanna return to Singapore, let them - but if the son wants to live in the UK as an adult and work here, then what the heck is NS for? I know the decision has to be taken when the son is young, but it is his life after all.

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  2. As I've told a few people already, the reason for NS should never be about mental toughness or training oneself to be independent or physically fit. There are other means of doing that, as you've pointed out.

    No, Singapore needs NS still for purely defence and military reasons. For the same reasons people might want to avoid NS, they would shun a military career even if we converted our army to a professional one. If you wanted to field say a 50000 strong army, you would have plenty of those who never rise beyond the rank of corporal or sergeant, and learn anything more than the role of rifleman, machine gunner, or driver. In Singapore's climate and culture it would be very hard to find that many young men wanting to even take up say, a 3 year contract for a job like this even if it pays a bit better than the outside world. For the same reasons, it slows down your career advancement, perhaps even more than 2 years of NS. And while we have a continuous pool of men stuck in the army for 3 years or more, who do we fill the gaps with in the economy? You guessed it, foreigners. Because by having a professional army you are actually depriving that pool of homegrown talent from your economy for even longer.

    I do think that NS can be further streamlined to a maximum of 18 months in duration, though it will take a long time and perhaps huge advancements in weaponry and current practices to do so. But I still believe that NS in some form is still the best means of supplying a ready made, home grown, and temporary fighting force.

    Now, if my child were that fantastic, like a Joseph Schooling or something like that, then yeah I would try to get him out of it but as you said, if one's prospects are normal to above average and still very Singapore oriented then it is simply part of the social contract here that you do your NS in return for whatever you get from living here, because the nation still needs to draw its fighting force from people like you.

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  3. @Raymond
    yea our army may not be the most capable but its a loaded gun our leaders can take to the negotiating table. i dun have romantic ideas about any military. Its a necessary evil, always been. And i suppose if one enjoys being part of Singapore society, well then one should pay his dues and serve. Or give up citizenship and immigrate, to the many green pastures out there. Personally i did gain a fair bit of life experience in there meeting all kinds of society's degenerates: junkies, gamblers, and even a couple of paedophiles. The sort of characters i didn't encounter before that. Saw how well treated the white horses were (they didn't do push ups) - really just puts some harsh realities right in your face.

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  4. Oh I didn't include this in the original article but I got into a discussion this is mother who sang praises of NS. Her son was brought up in the UK, not a word of Mandarin, Hokkien or Malay - she sent him back to Singapore to do NS and he is doing well, she's singing praises of the system for having turned him into a man etc and putting him down by saying things like, "I used to pack his bags whenever he had to take a trip, now he is so independent".

    I am not looking for a fight on the SUKA Facebook group - so I told her to give herself some credit, her son probably isn't a total useless child because if he really was that useless, he would have fallen apart and crumbled within weeks of BMT. Yes there are Singaporean guys who do crumble during BMT and there were cases of guys who killed themselves as they couldn't adapt to the harsh regime fast enough and there were cases of extreme bullying. Credit to the mother and her son, she must have done something right when bringing up that boy, to have equipped him with the necessary skills to rise to the challenge to cope with the new environment.

    Yet she puts herself down, she puts her son down and she gives SAF 100% of the credit. Like seriously, WTF? I'd give her and her son some credit at least and not give SAF that much credit. I get the feeling a lot of the members of SUKA literally worship the PAP and give them all the credit for stuff they have achieved themselves.

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  5. Erm, actually NS isnt such a big deal now compared to olden days (1970s-80s), when parents wouldve done literally ANYTHING to help their sons dodge NS, including migrating for the sole purpose of ensuring their son wouldn't be conscripted.
    I even met a few families where, if they had sons, they were under a lot of pressure to migrate; whereas if they only had daughters, they didnt feel the heat so much.
    Back then NS lasted 2.5yrs & was INFAMOUSLY "shiong" (when I came home from 3mth BMT, my grandma couldnt recognise me so dark & skinny. Then she realised it was me, right on cue she BURST INTO TEARS heartbroken by what NS had done which, to her, was a form of torture).
    Nowadays (from what I hear) its a lot more relaxed, & theory-based more than physical training. Maybe thats why you have the opposite phenomenon from the past, where these SUKA parents can easily help their sons dodge NS, but CHOOSE not to. There are 2 reasons:
    1) Once you get NS done & over with, you have much more freedom of choice for your subsequent path in life. LIFT, you yourself were able to return to SG as a Brit expatriate as you finished NS. If a guy didnt do NS, and he/his parents remain S'porean, it will be a dark cloud hanging over their head forever. Even if they changed citizenship their options for a possible future career in SG would be questionable.
    2) Theres a "prestige" in saying youve tasted the full SG experience, comprising "educatn system + NS". Because SG has high academic rankings & is the richest country in the world, people everywhere have this fascination with how we must be "doing SOMETHING right" even if they cant pinpoint what it is. You know how parents bludgeon their kids through hours of tuition, swimming & violin lessons? Well, NS is just ANOTHER stringent course they wanna MAKE the son go through, like some form of compulsory life skills training, in case their parenting was too soft. (And its FREE some more!)
    LIFT Im not saying I agree with these SUKA folks -Im not in their position & have no choice in the matter. But since they can change citizenship but dont want to, their mindset is clear: "proud 2b S'porean" & its a "great legacy" to pass to the son!

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    1. Hi there my friend.

      In response to your two reasons:

      1. My company would have probably based me out of KL or BKK if I was unable to work in Singapore for whatever reason, since I was covering the whole of SE Asia from my base. We picked Singapore because it was convenient and I kinda pushed for it because I wanted to spend time with my family and old friends - unlike KL or BKK where I would have no friends at all to start with.

      2. I will address this in my latest post.

      and 3. Members of SUKA are proudly Singaporean, very pro-PAP and even though they have the opportunity to naturalize as British citizens, they consider their Singaporean citizenship superior, thus I found it interesting to look into their mindset on that Facebook group. Having said that, I am not there to look for a fight or provoke people.

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  6. Hi LIFT

    I enjoyed your article and agree mostly with you.

    However, will you agree with me that those who had went through command schools such as OCS and went on to take up leadership roles, they will had learn something very useful for their future?

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    1. Hmmmmmmmm. Again, yes and no.

      Those who end up in OCS (and the likes) are usually those of pretty high caliber, very driven, very motivated and determined to excel. There is a rigorous selection process and competition for those places - I remember how a good friend of mine really wanted to do it and I thought he had a good shot since he is quite strong physically, but he didn't get selected and he was v disappointed.

      So when you take the best of the best and put them though a process like OCS, then it is hard to go wrong. So this begs the question: did OCS turn them into something great, or were they already great prior to starting OCS? I daresay it is the latter.

      As an analogy, let's look at Oxford university. You can look at the Oxford graduates who go on to do great things and then say, wow they must have learnt something very useful for their future at that university! And I would turn around and point out that you need to get nothing but straight As, have an excellent record outside your studies then you can make it to the interview process where they will test you even further before you get granted a place at Oxford. The selection process is rigorous, of course - that's why another friend of mine who was a straight A student from VJC only got as far as the interview stage and kena rejected. She is a mega-successful lawyer today but such is the kind of competition for Oxford.

      So did Oxford university turn their graduates into something great, or were they great already before they started studying there?

      Think about it.

      What if, we put a soldier of poor qualities (lousy results, overweight, not motivated, bad attitude) into OCS, would OCS be able to transform him into a leader or will he simply flunk out of the course? What if that same soldier was granted a place at Oxford due to a computer error, would Oxford turn him into a genius, or would he again, flunk out of the course?

      What say you to that?

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  7. Well,i do agree OCS cadets are usually of high caliber to begin with. But do most of them had chance to discover their leadership talent? I believe at least some of them benefit from the experience of being an officer.

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    1. Hi Jonathan, I would like you to consider this: by the time a young man is 18 years old, he would have had PLENTY of opportunities in school to discover if he has any kind of leadership qualities. There are plenty of opportunities in school/poly for students to exercise leadership qualities - there are prefects and student councils within the student body. Likewise, in every sports group, uniformed group and other ECA-CCA type activities, there is usually a captain/president type leader figure in these groups.

      Someone with leadership qualities would naturally gravitate towards those positions of leadership and hey, it is quite a difficult challenge because once you are a leader, you not only have to command the respect of your peers in order to get them to listen to you, but you have to take responsibility for the group. It is truly a popularity contest.

      In fact, trying to fight to be head of the student council in a JC is probably a LOT more difficult than becoming an officer in the SAF. In the SAF, once you get selected, you just need to pass your course and then you are an officer - no one can question your rank. You can be an extremely popular officer that everybody hates, but you're still yaya papaya because you outrank your haters. In a JC student council election, you have to be popular and well liked in order to win enough votes to become head of the student council - that's far more difficult as your haters can guarantee you lose if you offend them. That's far more challenging than what officers face in the SAF.

      So if someone has leadership qualities, then that would already be very evident by the time he turns 18. And if he hasn't shown any by that age, then no - he's not a natural leader and that's fine. It is not something that you 'discover' suddenly out of the blue (like finding a $10 note in the pocket of an old coat) - either you have it (and it is very obvious that you do) or you don't (equally obvious).

      Like I said so many times before, the SAF will put excellent young man in positions of leadership where they can excel. But if they are mediocre or well, plain shitty and useless - don't expect NS or OCS to perform some kind of miracle to transform them into an ideal man. No way. Enlistment happens at 18, not 8. These young men have had plenty of time to prove themselves by the age of 18 and if they haven't done so yet, then just accept that they are below average and don't expect the SAF to perform a miracle.

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    2. Being a leader is the ultimate test of having soft skills in being able to deal with people that you are responsible for - a natural born leader, a man who has leadership quality and talents will already have been extremely sociable and popular amongst his peers by the age of 18. Not everyone has those skills -some people are more gifted in this aspect whilst others are not. It will be extremely obvious whether or not this individual has these skills - it is NOT something you need to discover when it is so blatantly obvious. And if someone doesn't have those soft skills to deal with people, fine - it is not the end of the world, but once again, it is not something the SAF is going to teach you as these are skills that cannot be easily taught. People with such good people skills are usually brought up in a very sociable environment, like if they had big families and spent a lot of time as kids playing with their siblings, cousins and neighbours - thus naturally developing these skills in a very organic manner from an extremely young age. We're talking about skills you nurture from the moment a toddler can talk and interact with others, like from the age of 2.

      And if you've missed the boat, then tough shit, you know, tough - the SAF isn't going to change any of that. I look at my nephew and he doesn't have much social skills to speak of - he is a good kid but he is an only child who spends a lot of time on his own studying hard instead of playing with other children. There is a huge gap in his skill set when it comes to dealing with people and he's never going to be a leader and that's just painfully obvious.

      A lot of things in life are actually pretty obvious if only you're willing to open your eyes and look. I don't know why you think the SAF can perform miracles when they never claimed they could.

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    3. i went to OCS back in the day but got kicked out half way thru for reasons... so I guess I am not leadership material.
      I was sad as hell but I got over it, life as a medic wasn't too bad.
      But I've seen some things I can't unsee back then... cadets who are lucky enough to get the easy tasks, cadets who skive at every opportunity, cadets who step all over and 'use' others to get ahead... all of them passed out to be officers... maybe these traits are what made them leaders.
      I'm just glad I got out alive (there were a few near misses)and I wouldn't want my son to have to go through it, if it were possible.

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  8. @Sandra trust me on this but you do not want to return to Singapore to find a job. Why do you think I am working so hard to plot my escape from Singapore since three years ago?

    Here are just some anecdotes to show you how bad the current job market is in Singapore. Civil servants like teachers are being let go after not being offered a contract renewal. MOE had a hiring freeze 1 or 2 years back which is unprecedented.

    My ex-company, a Japanese owned corporation, carried out its first retrenchment exercise recently. This is the first one since being established in the 90s. They managed to weather the 08/09 downturn but somehow the management were pessimistic enough of the future to start laying off people. Of the 4 people let go 2 found a job almost immediately outside Singapore. The last I heard the other 2 were still unemployed.

    One of my good friend who has 10 years xp with a Masters degree recently found a job after being unemployed for 2 years. God know how many hundreds of applications he sent out. I know it is upwards of 300.

    So you see in between SIA forcing staff to take no paid leave and Nestle retrenching an unknown number of people, you really wouldn't want to be the unlucky fresh grad out in Singapore looking for a job.

    The economy is doing well, at least I know the stock market is, yet the job market is still very cold. I suspect Singapore's dependance on foreign worker, corporations and government linked companies is coming back to bite her in the ass.

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  9. Hmmm. A lot of that will depend on how you and your husband bring up your child. You see, I naturally felt an attraction to Western culture due to the way I consumed a lot of British & American media throughout my teenage years and I had a very clear idea of what life was like in the West. That was why I was somewhat hesitant to visit Florida last year as there was a sense of "oh I know America so well, why bother visiting" - and sure enough, I was right. There was just such a sense of familiarity despite the fact that I never lived there and it was my first time in Florida.

    If your future child were to want to live/work in Singapore, you've gotta plant that idea in his/her head first by constantly feeding him a LOT of Singaporean/Asian culture throughout his/her childhood to the point whereby s/he may start to think that the grass is greener on that side of the fence. But if you don't, well, then any sensible, rational person would simply say, "I've got nothing against this country but I don't know enough about it to want to live/work there for all of my adult life, so I'm going to stick to what I know." I can see the SUKA parents totally doing that with their kids whom they are bringing up in the UK - the question for you is Sandra, would you do the same to your future child? A lot of this actually lies in your hands - your husband isn't going to do it and if someone wants to plant that seed in your child's head, to make him/her consider a future in Singapore, well that's up to you. If you don't wanna plant that seed, it's far easier not to than to try to bring up a child in the UK, convincing him/her that Singapore is some kind of Utopia. Besides, even if your child wants to try life in another country, why not Hong Kong? Why not Australia? Why not South Africa? Why not (insert name of country)? Singapore is but one out of a lot of countries in the world.

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  10. And more to the point - why the fixation on Singapore? What if your future child wants to go work in California? Or Argentina? Or Antarctica? Or the international space station? I have studied and worked in Paris - now my parents had zero influence over that, they knew absolutely nothing about France, don't know a single word of French and probably couldn't even locate Paris on a map of the world. Yet I became the ultimate Francophile - perhaps you're jumping the gun here to assume what your child may or not like, especially since you still haven't had that child yet.

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  11. @Sandra it is human nature to want to gloss over unpleasant details. But it I would be lying to you if I told you everything was rosy in Singapore. Nestle retrenchments just recently, Surbana retrenchments during the beginning of the year, plus the SIA unpaid leave incident just this very month. A simple Google search would reveal the truth.

    I'm sure your parents miss you and want you to return to Singapore. But you must be fair to your future child and offer him more options than NS and a ratrace to the bottom (salary wise).

    Like your cousins I was comfortable and doing well in my previous job as LIFT would attest. I recently bought a BTO and am waiting for it to be completed. However i chose to get out of my comfort zone and do something else since IT has a limited shelf life just like elite athletes. The only constant in the world is change. If I hadn't left while I was still relatively young and mobile I would have been the next one whose head came under the chopping block come reorganisation time.


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  12. Yes, sounds kinda like me. Except I wanted to go to America when I was 8 and I changed my mind and switched to Europe when I was about 15. Like I said, you will be able to tell if your child is going to want to live in Singapore - it isn't gonna come out of the blue. I remember how when I was about 9 years old, I was singing a Whitney Houston song and one of my father's colleagues commented that I was 'jiat-kentang' because I was not singing in Chinese and for him to watch out because kids like that worship the West and wanna migrate to the West. Guess what? It's a pretty big assumption to make but he was right. It is not going to come out of the blue - you will be able to see tell-tale signs by the time your child is say 10. Any interest in Asia? Heck, I've got white friends who are fluent in Mandarin and are real Sinophiles, like they've lived and worked in China as they love Chinese stuff so much and I just screw up my face and go, huh? Why would you do that? But these guys didn't just jump on a plane to Beijing on a whim, they have studied Chinese since they were young and always had an interest. So don't assume anything, let's wait till your child turns like 10, then we'll talk about it.

    As for the Singaporean job market, I think your parents are completely wrong in the way they are analyzing the situation. But I'm not going to put Singapore down either. The job markets are not that different: a talented person would be able to get a great job in either counties, an useless person is going to struggle in both countries. How ridiculous would it be for a talented person to succeed in one country and somehow be shunned in the other? And why would a useless person somehow be able to succeed in one country and not the other?

    Stop blaming the job market. Your parents are making no sense. It should be all about you Sandra. Your parents don't know shit and are completely biased in their analysis. You're 25, you're not on the property ladder yet and that's fine. You're still young. If your cousins are doing well, that's good for them but how is that in any way going to guarantee you a good job in Singapore? I have another reader who had a good job in the US, returned to Singapore to care for his mother who has cancer and now hates his new job in Singapore - less pay, less rewarding work, longer hours, he's so miserable. LOL, My parents don't even try that bullshit with me because the first thing I do when they try to open their mouths on the topic is I put them down, "the last time you tried to look for a job, Singapore was a British colony. What the hell do you know about the job market these days? You know nothing, absolutely NOTHING. So you should be asking me for my opinion, rather than expressing one." I don't mean to be rude but your parents don't know shit and you should be able to smell bullshit when you come within a mile of it. Without putting down the Singaporean economy, your parents' are completely wrong, so fucking wrong on so many levels. How can you even listen to their bullshit and not feel nauseous.

    How well you do is entirely up to you Sandra - your fate is in your hands. You wanna do well? You wanna do better? You wanna make more money? Well, perhaps you and I need to sit down and have a conversation about it and we can focus on how to improve your career performance. Abandoning everything you've achieved so far in the UK and returning to start from scratch in Singapore is career suicide. That's so clear to me, I can't believe you are even entertaining your parents' PAP koolaid.

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  13. @Choaniki - you're so much more polite when it comes to parents. I have no qualms about going down the 'shut up you don't have a clue what you're talking about' route. It is one thing to nod politely, smile and then ignore/dismiss what they said. It is another to take them seriously and I suspect Sandra has come close to that - that's why I'm like, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

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  14. Aaah no disrespect to your mum, CFO or not, she is still misguided at best. OK so what she is saying is that I can use nepotism to get you ahead in Singapore whilst you have to struggle on your own merits in the UK.

    I am not sure I wanna be in that kinda position - if I know that I am only employed in this position because someone had 'made it happen' and asked for a favour, then what if that someone who asked for that favour is no longer there (retired, died, emigrated, whatever) - then my position is no longer secure. Whereas if I knew I got to where I am by my own credit, then at least I can take comfort in knowing that even if I lose my job at my current company, I have the skills to get another job without relying on favours and strings being pulled.

    To be totally fair, if you're really mediocre or below average, then you can do with all the help and nepotism you can get, then if that is the case, I'll be on the first plane back to Singapore. But if you have confidence in your own ability, in the long run, it is better to succeed on your own merit. Whether you are the former or the latter, I can't say as I don't know you well enough - that's a question for you to answer for yourself.

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  15. @Unknown..
    maybe u r not leadership material in that setting, in the military. Elsewhere im sure u do lead in small ways. And why not let ur son have a taste of corruption in a dysfunctional organization? The experience might serve him well! That said...
    In any case the SAF is just another organization its never gonna be the biggest influence on anyone's life, unless u r a career soldier

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  16. Wow Sandra, that's quite a piece. If you feel this strongly about the PAP, why would you ever let your future child go there? Won't you at least protect your child from that system?

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  17. @Sandra, I have a question. Did you get a scholarship to study in the UK or did your parents fund your studies? If it is the latter you did depend on them indirectly to get to UK. Not saying it is nepotism but still it is a form of social mobility unavailable to most.

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  18. From my own experiences, The Singapore military doesn't give a damn about the survival of their conscripts during war, nor are they interested in teaching them valuable skills that allow them to have a decent life as civilians, such as automotive and aviation mechanics, or even teaching them how to fly planes and helicopters.

    All they want is to simply brainwash them to blindly obey the PAP slime in the government, like machines. Any lack of skilled labor is compensated for by bringing in more "Foreign Talent" whilst discharged conscripts simply starve to death or fade away.

    The military system in the United States puts a lot of emphasis on assigning their men to vocations they are suited in, and training them properly. It's more than can be said for Mindef. And the country has numerous charities and programs for helping veterans adjust to the civilian world, such as helping them pay for college/trade school. Nothing of the sort exists in Singapore, because nobody cares for cheap conscripts.

    Even now, I have to struggle in College to be able to get a job in America, sometimes staying up past midnight to get work done. That's how much becoming an American citizen means to me, so I'm not giving it up to come back to Singapore, only to end up in the poorhouse because all the jobs are taken up by "Foreign Talent", and because the PAP wants me to do menial labor in their military.

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    Should any NS-addicted sycophants feel the need to call me a bad and horrible person, and tell me that I should serve NS before running my mouth, don't bother. I've already done it, my opinion of NS is still the same. I didn't choose willingly, your government held a gun to my head. It's one thing for you schweinehunds to demand that I must sacrifice my dreams and die horribly to protect your political beliefs and your country, but it's something else to threaten to throw me in prison and even murder me just because I don't share your political beliefs and your "patriotism", or to claim I don't deserve to be promoted, let alone become an officer.

    Go To Hell.

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    1. Hi N-Man, I just want to assure you that the vast majority of the people who come to my blog haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate the PAP as much as I do.

      OK?

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