Friday 7 July 2017

Moving beyond petty insults: how to really hurt someone

Hello again people. I don't believe in responding to trolls and haters but in this case, I found this troll so hilarious and I thought, yeah I could do a post about this, we could explore the issue. I think trolls come to my blog, insulting me expecting me to get hurt or upset but I think the last thing they expect me to do is to have a frank discussion about the issue. You see, most people get extremely defensive when they get insulted but that's giving the haters exactly what they want. I remember this scene from a TV show I saw years ago (sorry I don't remember the name of the show), this hater came to a woman and said, "hey, long time no see, oh my, you look like you've put on about ten pounds!" The woman laughed it off and said, "why thank you, actually it is more like 20 pounds, but I'm so glad you thought that it was only ten!" You see, the hater wanted the woman to feel upset or insulted for 'appearing fat' - but the woman denied her the satisfaction of being insulted and laughed it off instead. It is time to play 'Shake It Off' by Taylor Swift before we continue.
So this hater left a comment on one of my earlier posts and I shall cut and paste what 'Mark' said, "SURE Lift, SAY WHATEVER YOU NEED TO SAY TO BE HAPPY..CLEARLY, SOMEONE FAIL AT ACTING..." Oh dear, firstly this person typed in CAPS. Oh dear. If you have to resort to using CAPS to shout, then you're only giving others the impression that you don't have confidence in your own choice of words, maybe Mark thought his words wouldn't have the impact he desired, that's why he had to type it ALL IN CAPS in order to shout. Rather than using CAPS, why not spend a few moments thinking about what you want to say first, use the least number of words to have the maximum impact. Find the most efficient way to convey your message with the maximum impact - often, less is more. But hey, that's what I do for a living: I edit most of the marketing material that my company produces and I am a fine writer. Now if Mark wanted to make a point that I am a failure because I have effectively given up on acting to focus on my day job in finance, well then there are several ways he could have done that a lot more efficiently. Here's the irony: I'm about to teach Mark how to insult me, because let's face it, he's probably a young man who's not particularly educated and doesn't quite know how to communicate effectively in English, particularly when it comes to social media. Trolling someone like that is just painfully childish. Oh dear. You know, not everyone is born witty - it is not something that can be taught unfortunately. 

Now there's a difference between simply shouting at someone to vent your anger because you're angry and truly being able to hurt their feelings. When I was young, my parents used to lose their temper and shout at me, sometimes they would pick up anything from books to cups and throw them across the room. When they did that, I would think, "okay you've lost your temper, you're crazy, you're out of control, I'm just going to ignore you until you've calmed down because you're totally irrational right now." And that's me putting it mildly - anything they screamed at the top of their voices when they were in that state I effectively dismissed, there's just no way someone could be taken seriously when they act like that, that is simply not the way reasonable adults behave (but my parents are severely autistic, that explains their ridiculous behaviour). So if Mark starts screaming insults at me in CAPITAL LETTERS, then I would simply dismiss him as someone who is irrational and not to be taken seriously. Trust me, I've had decades of experience in ignoring my crazy parents who love nothing more than shouting at me - feel free to shout at me all you want, that's not the same as someone actually hurting my feelings. I'm pretty immune to people shouting insults at me, it bothers me as much as a dog barking at me. If you want to hurt my feelings, there's a different way to do so and I'm actually going to tell you exactly what that is. But first, please have a look at the clip below: that's what usually happens when you just yell insults:

So here are the facts: I started acting professionally in 2004 and here's my full CV. I have had a good year acting in 2016: I was in Hungary doing a high profile ad campaign during the summer and in the autumn, I spent time in Germany filming as I got a nice part in a German film. I was surprised that many people in Germany remember me from the high profile lead role I did in 2015 for the popular German TV drama series Alarm Fur Cobra 11. All that after having been paid an obscene amount of money for the 2014 Snickers Mr Bean ad that is still running in Canada, Australia and Europe. Add to that a BBC radio drama, some reality TV and stunt work, a couple of music videos and projects in five countries, the period of 2014 to 2016 had exceeded my expectations when it came to just how much acting work I got and I proved that I'm not just a one trick pony: I did everything from dance professionally to act in German to doing physical comedy with Mr Bean, demonstrating an immensely diverse skill set when it came to performing. So if Mark considers that a failure, then well - I wonder what benchmark he is measuring my accomplishments against.

Then came 2017 and the work dried up - I only did two small projects this year and I don't know why acting work has eluded me this year: I still attended the auditions that my agent sends me to and in the meantime, I started work as a broker in corporate finance towards the end of last year. So at least I wasn't sitting at home feeling sorry for myself at how 2017 has been disappointing when it came to the acting work, I have been busy carving myself a brand new career this year and making quite a lot of money in this new job (which I am pretty good at). I am still using my same skill sets ultimately, as a salesman brokering distribution deals between my company and various distributors, helping develop and nurture these third party distribution channels. I think the saying that comes to mind is "every cloud has its silver lining" - would I rather be playing a lead in a high profile action movie today rather than working in corporate finance? Of course, but that option has not been offered to me this year. I am making the best of the situation. The other cliche that comes to mind is "when life gives you lemon, make lemonade" and I am happy enough with the lemonade I'm drinking today.
What is "a failed actor" then? When has someone failed at acting? Well allow me to explain that to you as I've come across loads of people who have tried hard to get into this industry and failed - I even have a mathematical formula for it. Some actors have spent a lot of money going to expensive drama schools - there are acting courses that can last anything from 1 to 4 years and can cost in excess of £9,000 a year in fees alone, when you add living costs (rent, food, bills etc), an actor could easily have spent in excess of £50,000 just in the few years training to get into the acting industry. So there is a simple ratio there, how much you have invested in your training vs how much you have earned as an actor. The fact is most actors fail to even break even on the amount they have spent on these very expensive acting courses - I am cynical about these drama schools because there is really little correlation between successful actors and the amount of money they spend on training. Of course, the big stars in Hollywood who make millions are clearly success stories because they have clearly made a huge profit on whatever they made have invested in their acting training. Can you imagine say an accountant spending thousands to become qualified only to fail to recoup that investment working as an accountant? Well, I am judging actors by the same standard. If you can't even break even on your initial investment, then you're a failed actor. The mark of a successful actor is the ability to get well-paid work, not simply pass some exams at an expensive drama school. The fact is anyone can take acting classes at a drama school: you just have to pay for them, but only truly talented actors can get well-paid, high profile acting work. 

After having spoken with a lot of actors, I didn't bother with drama school - I did a cost-benefit analysis and decided I was better off without it given the opportunity cost of spending that much time and money on a useless piece of qualification. I had some training whilst I did TSD at VJC but as a humanities scholar, I didn't pay any school fees then - courtesy of the MOE. Likewise, I relied heavily on the fact that I was a former national champion gymnast: once again, I didn't have to pay for my training at all, scholarships from the Singapore Sports Council took care of that. So thanks to my scholarships in Singapore, I got all the training I needed for free and decided that was more than enough to get me started in the industry. Hence it was very easy for me to make a massive profit acting: I had given up a lucrative full time job in sales to go into acting and I wouldn't have kept it up if it meant reducing me to poverty. I have been very selective in terms of acting projects I get involved in: so I would say yes to very well paid jobs like high profile ad campaigns with celebrities and no to doing plays at the Edinburgh festival. Oh fuck that latter, hardly anyone makes any money there. I've seen enough actors who are struggling to make ends meet - there's absolutely nothing romantic about poverty in your 40s.
I have a good understanding with my acting agents that I have a day job in finance that is both lucrative and demanding - I am happy to take time off work if it is a good project that pays even more than what I make on a daily basis at work. Since I work in sales and am paid mostly in commission, my bosses don't mind if I take time off work from time to time, they trust that I am greedy to earn more money, so I will find a way to make the sales happen. After all, they only need to pay me when I do make the sales, it is an arrangement that suits everyone. Let me tell you about the most lucrative ad campaign I've done: the Snickers ad campaign with Mr Bean (Rowan Atkinson) in 2014. We filmed for 2 weeks in April then and I've been paid over £100,000 in various global buy-out contracts as the ad has been used in countries from China to Australia to Russia to Canada to the UK and the usage of the ad has just been renewed for yet another year in Canada, Australia and continental Europe. When was the last time Mark was paid £100,000 (approximately S$180,000) for two weeks' work? And here's the irony: I've worked with plenty of celebrities over the years and the truly successful ones are the nicest people you'll ever meet. People like Mark who go around calling others "failure" probably have achieved very little in life and are projecting their insecurities onto others, misery loves company. He's probably very disappointed with his own failures and is jealous of others who have actually done a lot more with their lives.

But wait, it gets better. I suppose some of you may be asking me, "Limpeh, if you can make that kind of money as an actor, even if you don't do such lucrative projects all the time, surely the fact that you can make this kind of money like that once in a while should be enough reason for you not to bother with finance?" And my reply to that is simple: do you know how much money I am currently making in my current job? Granted it is not as fun as working with a legend like Rowan Atkinson but I'm making a lot more in finance today. I'm purely going by the odds: the odds of me making a sale in my current job are far better than the odds I face when auditioning for a part. I know which option allows me to make more money quickly and I love making money. Yes sometimes it is making money for the sake of making money, that in itself is fun and rewarding, but I am also able to do fun things with my money, such as go on fun holidays. So for what it is worth, I am fairly satisfied with the balance I have with my life right now - I am currently planning a long summer holiday.
So if Mark really wanted to insult me, make me feel bad he should have figured out what hurts me the most, what keeps me awake at night, what I have genuine regrets about. And you know what hurts the most? The near misses. Look, if I never even came close to auditioning for a lead role in the 13 years I have been acting, then I would given up on acting a very long time ago, I would have been the first to have dismissed it a total waste of time and to turn back to what I know best, in the world of sales. But I have had the chance to audition for some extremely high profile parts in major films and TV dramas. I've had some success (particularly in Germany, of all places) but for example, I have auditioned for the part of Xander Feng in House of Cards (season 2). I actually made the shortlist of the 'handful' of actors who were considered for the part after a long audition process and I lay awake at night sometimes thinking what if I had been picked for the part. Of course, the role went to Terry Chen, a Chinese-Canadian actor who has enjoyed far more success than I have and whilst I knew that my chances were slim, I do wonder if I had been a bit better prepared for the auditions, would I have changed my fate? Say if I had spent that extra evening rehearsing and preparing, working on the character's accent instead of going to gymnastics training or seeing my friends, would my life had been totally different as a result?

And that's just one big role I had missed out on, I could name you many more roles that I had auditioned for, including one just last week which I would dearly love to do. And whilst I worked hard to prepare myself for the audition, I always leave the audition feeling that I could have done it just a bit better, if I had just spent a few more hours rehearsing. It is painful, frustrating and upsetting to even begin to think about the 'what ifs', I don't even want to start thinking about why I wasn't picked in the near misses, when I was second choice - could I have done something different, something better to have changed the outcome? That's when I start blaming myself, I wonder if I had worked hard enough, taken the process seriously enough and had put in as much effort as the person they chose instead of me. I think the first time I had that feeling was after a geography exam in secondary school, I knew I didn't study hard enough and had let myself down - the questions were not that difficult but I simply had not revised. I had gone for gymnastics training instead of revising because I was arrogant, over confident: I had always been good at geography, it was a subject I enjoyed very much at school and excelled at. Yet as I stared at the diagrams before me in the exam, my mind went blank and I got angry with myself. I knew that if I had spent as little as half an hour revising that particular chapter, I would know the answers I needed but I was now paying a high price not so much for my stupidity, but for my arrogance in believing I didn't need to revise much for the exam. You'd think that I learnt my lesson after messing up that geography exam, but I still give in to arrogance all the time. There is a brilliant music video by Kylie on this theme about fighting with your own demons, struggling with self-doubt. Unfortunately Blogger won't let me embed it here but click on this link to watch the original.
Such are the nature of auditions - they are high pressure situations, actors can get awfully nervous especially if they want the part really badly. I'd compare it to a job interview, you go in there, meet a bunch of people you've never met before and are expected to sparkle with personality, charm them and make them like you. Even if you have never attended an audition before, I'm sure you would have at least attended a job interview before (and if you're a student reading this, then you will undoubtedly attend some job interviews once you start looking for work). I have messed up some auditions before and when that happens, my first instinct is to pretend that never happened but at some point, at some level, I would start blaming myself for having messed up - especially if it was a part I really wanted. And once I start blaming myself, I can feel depressed about it. You see, it is one thing if I didn't get the part because the director didn't like me, or that they found someone more suitable - that's fine, I can live with that, absolutely. But if I realized that I didn't get the part because it was entirely my fault for messing up, then that's a lot harder to deal with. It brings me right back to that geography exam in secondary school when I get so angry with myself for being my own worst enemy.

So you see, if Mark wanted to insult me, or make me feel really rotten about myself, then he totally went about it the wrong way. Telling me that I am a failure would only make me recount my magnificent CV about all the wonderful projects I have done - from being immortalized in a Mr Bean skit to dancing with Madonna in her music video to having been a minor celebrity in Germany. No, now if you wanted to make me feel bad about myself, then you would say something like, "what a shame Alex, you had so many opportunities given to you, you had the chance to audition for so many big roles but how many of them did you actually get? What a shame, you could have been so much more famous if you haven't sabotaged your own acting career by being so arrogant and confident. What did you think was going to happen when you showed up for those auditions without having prepared properly? You are so talented yet you are your own worst enemy - that's the biggest shame. You're not an idiot who has no hope at all in making it in this industry, but someone who squandered countless opportunities. How do you manage to sleep at night, knowing that the only person holding you back is yourself?" Oh, now that would have hurt a lot more. I know where my weaknesses are, I know how to attack others and exploit their vulnerability: that's how I would have attacked myself. Because I know I should have changed after that geography exam in secondary school, but I haven't learnt my lesson yet. I'm still way too arrogant.
I have worked in sales for many years and when you have a sales team, there can be a lot of quite intense rivalry amongst the colleagues. I see the way people have used this method to attack someone who seems to be on top of their game, who have just delivered a few months of excellent sales. How do you insult someone who is doing so well? Simple: undermine their self-confidence. Even successful people could have self-confidence issues, especially if they are unsure if they can continue deliver great results. There's no point in merely hurling insults - even if you screamed vile insults like a banshee, you're just going to look like a total lunatic. Accusing a thin woman of being fat isn't going to somehow make her put on weight, calling a rich man poor isn't somehow going to deplete his bank balance, calling a successful person a failure isn't going to somehow change his long list of accomplishments. That's why if you really want to hurt someone you don't like, you don't go round hurling insults - oh no, you get under their skin by undermining their self-confidence. Only dumb kids hurl insults because they can't come up with a more intelligent response.

Why is this such a lethal way to hurt people? Simple: when Mark insults me, it's pretty clear that he's not trying to endear himself to me, quite the opposite, he's trying to upset me with insults. In fact, that makes it very easy and convenient for me to dismiss whatever he says because I am not inclined to want to take whatever he has to say seriously now that I know he is both a troll and a hater. I walk away thinking, "he's just a hater, that's his problem - there's nothing wrong with me." But if someone managed to convince me that I had missed out on all those roles I had auditioned for over the years because I had been too arrogant and lazy, then oh dear - suddenly I realize that I am the one who is to be blamed for all my own failings, that I am my own worst enemy. That makes the situation so much worse, because it opens up a whole other can of worms: how could I have been blind to what I have been doing to undermine myself? How did I end up in this situation in the first place? How could I have not learnt from my past mistakes? Once you poison someone's mind with a serious amount of self-doubt, you could easily chip away at years of self-confidence and inflict a lot of damage - now that's the kind of damage I would gladly inflict on someone, I'd rarely ever indulge in the kind of name-calling not because it is extremely childish, but because if I really want to hurt someone, I'll make sure I inflict maximum damage.
Why insult someone when you can undermine their self-confidence?

Now I can't end this piece without telling you how I deal with people who try to undermine my self-confidence because it is something I have learnt to deal with over the years. Sure there are times when we doubt ourselves - that's completely normal because none of us are perfect, we all make mistakes and the key is to strike a good balance. I've met people who get so ridiculously defensive about their actions that they refuse to acknowledge any of their mistakes - how are you ever going to learn from your mistakes if you never take any responsibilities for them? But then there's the other extreme, when people spend too much time blaming themselves, refusing to let go of the mistakes of the past: they dwell on the regret rather than focus on what they need to do in order to avoid making those mistakes ever again. Such people usually lack the self-confidence to even forgive themselves for the mistakes they have made, that's why they never allow themselves to move on from those mistakes. I believe in striking the right balance when it comes to acknowledging your mistakes, taking responsibility for the things you've done wrong, forgiving yourself for having made those mistakes before thinking about how you can learn from those mistakes in order to become a better person as a result of that experience.
How do you get this balance just right? Well, I believe this boils down to self-confidence, learning to love yourself for the imperfect person you are, knowing that you're always prepared to try harder to improve yourself when you do make mistakes. You know, some people who refuse to take any responsibility for their mistakes actually may have very low self-confidence: my mother is one such person, she never ever says the word 'sorry' - it just isn't in her vocabulary. Is she so arrogant that it never occurs to her that she can make a mistake? No, quite the opposite. Her self-esteem is so low that she is terrified of the consequences of admitting a mistake - this is a result of her working as a primary school teacher. Let me give you a simple example: once in a classroom, she wrote on the blackboard "Mrs Haung" when she meant to write "Mrs Huang" - in her haste, she had accidentally transposed the letters a and u. The students pointed that mistake out to her as "Haung" cannot exist within the rule of Hanyupinyin. Instead of simply admitting her mistake, she claimed that some German people have the surname Haung and that she had even met a Mrs Haung from Germany before whilst on holiday. Of course that was a lie - Haung doesn't exist as a surname in Germany but she was terrified that if she had confessed to a simple error, she would 'lose face' in front of her students, they would stop respecting her and she would struggle to perform her job as a teacher once that happened. Unlike me, my mother doesn't speak German and she was gambling on the fact that none of her students spoke any German either. So after a lifetime of worrying about her credibility in front of her students, well, my mother's first instinct is to lie and come up with excuses instead of admitting a simple mistake and saying sorry. And sadly, it can make her very hard to deal with at times.

And yes, I have also met people who are genuinely so arrogant that they refuse to ever accept that they are in the wrong, they can be equally hard to deal with as well. Such people usually cause offence with their attitude and I have worked with people like that. That is not a good stance to take as you will never learn from your mistakes if you never even begin to acknowledge your faults. It takes the right balance of humility and pride when it comes to dealing with criticism: you never know if the person pointing out your faults is genuinely trying to help or if they are maliciously trying to undermine your self-confidence. I remain calm and listen to what they have to say with an open mind, knowing that I am discerning enough to tell the difference between the two. I pride myself in being able to read people well, so the problem with my mother for example, is that she assume that people will somehow look down on her if they realized that she has made a mistake - that's why her first instinct is to make an excuse rather than apologize. Whereas for me, I've realized that people may actually like me more if I apologized for my mistakes when it was clearly my fault. It seems pretty obvious when I explain it like that, but that's a point that has been oblivious to my mother all her life as she is severely autistic.
I grew up in a highly competitive environment in the world of gymnastics, when I learnt from a young age to discern the difference between a constructive criticism about my technique and a snide comment designed to put me down. It was even more vicious in the world of sales when I felt like I was swimming with the sharks everyday in the office, trying to figure of who was friend and who was foe, whom I could trust and whom I should beware of. All my life, I had been exposed to both people who are genuinely trying to help me and people who truly hate me - it is a double edged sword that has forced me to develop the necessary skills to be able to read people well. So when I realize that someone is a hater trying to undermine my confidence, I learn how to tune them out and deny them the power to influence me. It is no different from recognizing that a plant in the garden is toxic and simply making sure that even if you are in close proximity to it, you do not allow it to come into contact with your skin. You can't avoid coming into contact with people like that from time to time, but how much damage you allow them to do to your self-esteem is up to you: always be very observant so you can stay in control of the situation and have the ability to deny them any influence at all over you.

So that's it from me on this topic. What do you think? How do you respond to haters hurling insults at you? How do you deal with people trying to undermine your self-confidence? Or do you have a different way to quantify what is a 'failed actor' or how we judge success in the acting world? Do let me know what you think please, many thanks for reading.

22 comments:

  1. I always believe that when they throw insults at you, they are simply jealous and looking for ways to undermine your success. May 1000 camels pee on them.

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    1. Thanks Di! My point is simple: if Mark wanted to insult me, he should have tried a bit harder to do so in a more intelligent manner and I'm trying to teach him how.

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  2. Granted, Mark was obviously trying to get under your skin (he succeeded, by the way, in case the irony is lost on you), but your response -- going to the extent of singling out his comment as the entire basis for an impassioned yet defensive blog post -- just goes to show that you were deeply affected by his words. You can't deny this. I highly doubt that you'd single out his comment if he called you "stupid" instead; you'd just brush it aside, as it's clearly untrue, and nobody would even take him seriously, much less you.

    But calling you a "failed actor?" That's at worst arguable and at best correct. Shots fired, shots fired! It obviously bothered you quite a bit, and it probably lingered in your mind for a while. You see, acting is the kind of thing where, the more you talk/brag about it, the more obvious it is that you have very little that's notable going on in that aspect of your life. The same concept applies to the guy who brags about sleeping with multiple women or making tons of money. If you're rich or successful, it should be plenty obvious. Confidence is quiet; insecurity is loud. The fact that you pulled out your entire acting CV to disprove his assertion is very cringeworthy. You're almost lending credence to his assertion by engaging him and justifying yourself.

    Do you think Tom Cruise or Robert Downey Jr. would copy and paste their IMDB profiles if someone calls them a failed actor?

    Also, it seems a little awkward and even intellectually dishonest to define acting success as RoI; acting isn't like managing a hedge fund or private equity firm. In the same way we shouldn't measure a doctor's or a lawyer's success by his salary, we shouldn't measure an actor's success by his earnings. It's more sensible to measure a doctor's success by the number of lives saved and a lawyer's success by the number of cases won. While these things are usually correlated with income, they're not the same.

    What then is the most reasonable yardstick to measure an actor's success? Unfortunately, acting success is very subjective. There is really no objective, numerical, or quantitative yardstick for success. If you use RoI as the measure of success, then broke actors, like Chris Tucker, Nicholas Cage, Lindsay Lohan, etc., are complete failures. This is of course untrue, as they're wildly famous and highly well-regarded by both Hollywood and the general public. If you use number of movies as a measure of success, then people like Daniel Day Lewis (three-time Academy Award winner) who appear in one movie every few years are failed actors compared to people who appear in three movies a year, like Adam Sandler. If you use number of awards as the measure of success, then Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt should both be considered less successful than Jack Nicholson, but that's also not necessarily true.

    I don't know what the most reasonable yardstick is to measure an actor's success, but I know name recognition is definitely part of the equation. I don't think anyone can argue a case for a successful actor if he's unknown. There are successful actors who are broke or even don't make much (e.g. Jonah Hill got paid diddly squat in the Wolf of Wall Street, but he's far from a failure), and there are also successful actors who don't have a Golden Globe/Academy/Emmy Award. So that much is clear. It's not unreasonable to say that an actor is a failure if nobody has seen his work -- like, to be visible is literally your job, just like to win competitions is literally a professional athlete's job. It would be awkward indeed to define a successful athlete as one who earned the greatest signing bonus or collected the greatest amount of endorsement fees from brands.

    I'm not calling you a failed actor, but you need to be rational, not rationalizing.

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    1. Wow that's quite a long piece from you. But allow me to try to respond to that.

      1. I always try to respond to my readers, be it in the comments sections here or as a blog post. And why not? Sometimes people ask interesting questions, sometimes people say something to provoke a response, but either way, it is food for thought.

      2. Look, I was tempted to hit the 'delete comment' button, which I do sometimes BTW, if someone just comes here and screams shit like FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER EAT SHIT AND DIE etc - and hey, I do get comments like that which I classify as spam and then delete. But in this case, I wanted to point out that shouting insults at someone is at best internet trolling - it is strange that few people would do that in real life, but somehow on the internet, they behave like that? In any case, I have seen children yell insults at each other like that in primary school playgrounds, I think adults need to be a be more calculative, a bit more strategic when it comes to try to hurt people, surely we're capable of that?

      3. Do you think I should delete all comments from haters? Or approve them all? Including the EAT SHIT AND DIE type of hater-troll comments?

      4. If the answer is yes, then how do you think I should respond to the EAT SHIT AND DIE type comments?

      5. As for my acting CV, hey it's there in the public domain, it's not something private. The same way my Linkedin profile is in the public domain. Likewise, my Youtube showreels, that's again in the public domain. That's a different CV where I don't talk about the acting stuff. I actually have 2 CVs, an acting one and a banking one - pretty rare methinks. But you don't get it do you? Nothing I shared here is in the private domain, gosh. I've been reading about the Lee family saga and someone posted some links to something LHY said years ago and immediately some netizens claimed it was an invasion of LHY's privacy - they totally missed the point that this person was merely citing an interview that LHY gave to a newspaper, it wasn't like it was leaking some private document into the public domain. Once it is in the public domain, then there's nothing private about it - it is information for people to look at (if they want to) and even I have been totally blunt about my track record. I've had good years acting, 2016 has been great whilst 2017 has been one disappointment after another - thus I turned my attention to working in corporate finance instead. Someone who is defensive wouldn't have been as blunt and honest as that - I don't know how much more honest I can be about my feelings about how I feel about missing out on big parts that I have auditioned for. It hurts, of course it does.

      6. If someone called Tom Cruise a failed actor, then for the sake of the argument, I would say that the person who did that hasn't used the right language. You are not obliged to like Tom Cruise as an actor (the same way you're not obliged to like chocolate ice cream - that's your right to have those preferences), but you cannot called him a failed actor just because you don't like him. He has clearly done loads of acting and has been paid a lot of money for it - but people will use terms like that because Tom Cruise has 'failed' to win them over as a fan, as if they consider themselves the world's best and most important critic and only their opinion matters - that's when you realize you're dealing with a crazy person who thinks that only their opinion matters. Thus that's more a reflection of the person who came up with that statement.

      Moving onto part 2 before I exceed the word limit.

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    2. 7. Thus whether it is passing judgement on Tom Cruise's or my acting career - the information is out there in the public domain. It's a bit like trying to decide if Busan in South Korea is a popular tourist destination worth visiting: let's get some statistics and look at that, rather than try to rely on one person's opinion on whether they liked Busan or not (or even considered it worth visiting in the first place). That's why I cringe when I see people asking for recommendations on social media: hell no, never rely on one person's recommendation?! At least go to a website like Tripadvisor where you can see hundreds, even thousands of reviews. That's just the way I deal with an issue like that: look at the statistics/evidence, rather than fluff around the issue. That's why it was necessary IMHO to put a link to my CV: I'm inviting you (and anyone) to have a look at the statistics/evidence and decide for yourself, make up your own mind.

      8. As for my decision to measure an actor's success by ROI, I'm being extremely practical here. I know many actors who are struggling to make ends meet and they end up working day jobs to pay the bills. But let me put it this way: anyone can call themselves a 'singer' - but what if they are merely doing their own Youtube videos or singing with friends at the Karaoke bar, that means they're not being paid for their singing. Contrast that to Rihanna or Lady Gaga who are making millions from their singing careers, at some stage, you have to draw the line to say that the person who lives singing at the Karaoke bar isn't a real singer (but calling them 'failed singers' just seems uncalled for) or at least not in the same category as Lady Gaga. You may think that some of the manufactured boy bands out there may lack credibility or artistic merit, but at least they are making money as opposed to some Indie singer who doesn't have a recording contract and merely putting his own material out there on Myspace or Youtube for free whilst unable to make any money from his music. Like I said before, I go back to statistics - let's look at who's succeeding in making the money rather than imagining we're the world's best film & music critic with the ability to pass judgement on "success".

      9. Lindsay Lohan and Chris Tucker are broke because of the lifestyles they lead - but the fact is, putting their lifestyles aside, they have been paid a lot of money for the acting work they have done. How they managed their earnings is another matter altogether - you're getting distracted by that point. Heck, I have a friend who works in banking and she's struggling to make ends meet because she's spending waaaaay too much on her kids' education - her kids aren't too smart and she's spending every spare penny she has buying whatever help she can get for her kids to try to improve the situation. The fact that she isn't spending/managing her wealth wisely doesn't change the fact that she has quite a senior position in her company and they are paying her a lot of money for her job. So it is questionable why you would judge Lindsay Lohan by her lifestyle rather than her CV - that's a poor example (pun intended). I was talking about ROI, that's their earnings vs how much money they have invested into their careers: by that measure, Lohan has done very well.

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    3. 10. As for your other measures, I don't even know where to begin because they are so ridiculous. All the actors you've mentioned are all highly successful and respected in the industry, yet you wanna use some arbitrary yardstick to try to fail one or another? That's why I simply use ROI as a simple measure because I know real actors who are trying their best to make it in the industry whereas all you seem to know are the A-list Hollywood celebrities you read about in the media. How about bringing this down to earth mate and not rushing to condemn anyone by some arbitrary yardstick you've decide to pull out of nowhere?

      11. Name recognition? Again, very slippery slope here. Take Preechaya Pongthananikorn for example - she is one of Thailand's biggest film stars, she is huge in Thailand but has little recognition outside Thailand. Would you consider a Thai megastar like her a failed actor then if somebody (yourself? the audience in America? etc) hasn't heard of her? You see why this is a very slippery slope - heck, we can even flip this round and claim that Robert De Niro or Tom Hanks is a failed actor because some of the villages in rural Thailand don't know who they are. So if we were to go down your rather strange 'recognition' definition, then oh dear, never mind Preechaya Pongthananikorn - even Robert De Niro is a failed actor and there isn't a single 'successful' actor in the world. When your yardsticks get more and more ridiculous, then everyone eventually fails - that's why I think your yardsticks are too ... self-centric. Move away from your own opinion and default to the statistics. Look at the statistics and cast your personal feelings aside.

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    4. 12. That's why I am stripping out any kind of judgement (particularly from egoistic individuals who think their opinion matters more than anything else in the world) and merely judging actors from an ROI POV - let the stats speak for themselves. Preechaya may be huge in Thailand, but you may find her style somewhat cheesy whilst others may argue that it is a necessary evil to 'act cute' like that in the Thai market (this is otherwise known as 'aegyo' in Korea and Kawaii in Japan). That's why I think it's ridiculous to start passing judgement on how good her acting is and just look at how many millions she has made from her acting career - which I must say, has made her a very, very rich woman in Thailand so far. Finding some arbitrary yardstick to 'fail' someone as successful as Preechaya just seems petty, even sour grapes.

      Treating it like a business seems a lot more neutral because we're setting aside any kind of judgement on their career and allowing success to be defined by statistics. Imagine if someone set themselves up as a plumber or an electrician: first they have to get the necessary training to be qualified to do the job, then they go round taking contracts to work as a plumber/electrician. What would you then define as a successful or failed plumber/electrician then? What arbitrary measure are you going to subject them to? I say, as long as they have been able to make a living doing what they do (ie. ROI) by first covering their initial investments, then being able to make enough of a profit to sustain themselves, then yeah I say that's good enough.

      I think there'll be some snooty, evil people who will condemn all plumbers for not having become doctors or lawyers in the first place - but that's when you realize the ridiculousness of arbitrary yardsticks. If you're going to condemn all actors who haven't reached the heights of stardom like some Hollywood A-lister, then good grief, you'll be condemning a lot of actors who are happily making a good living in the industry. Why this emphasis of 'recognition' then? By that token, then you're condemning every actor who does theatre - which is a very traditional route for actors to take, but it is not as high profile as a film which can be seen by millions around the world, whilst theatres are limited by their seating capacity per performance. Yet there are such incredible plays and musicals out there with plenty of artistic merit and are a joy to watch, oh but because these incredible actors are not going to get the kind of recognition a film star will get for a cheesy Hollywood comedy, you're somehow condemning them as failed actors even if they are making a perfectly good living as an actor working in the genre of plays & musical theatre? So why is one group of audience somehow more important than another? Preechaya is a big star in Thailand, I am a minor celebrity in Germany, neither of these are mainstream markets but our acting work has been seen by millions in our respective niche market (LOL if you can consider countries with populations of 81 and 67 millions respectively 'niche').

      By that definition, you may as well condemn every single Singaporean actor then. Go on, why stop there? Seems like you hate actors and celebrities in general and can't wait to create some arbitrary just to claim they are failures even if they are millionaires.

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    5. As u said, Alex, context is everything. We just like using arbitrary yardsticks that legitiimately allow us flawed humans to put down other flawed humans

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    6. What I find ironic is that the people who rush to judgement usually don't know what they are talking about - has Hmong Bong ever done any acting in his life before? If he is like some big shot Hollywood director or actor, then fair enough, please judge away and condemn the rest of us mere mortals. But if he is an armchair critic who knows absolutely nothing about the acting industry and he seems to be forming his opinion on the basis that he's seen some movies and TV programmes and oh he's read some things about celebrities on social media ... then it seems a bit rich that he comes here thinking that he can pass judgement on others when he clearly doesn't know what the hell he is talking about (and he is blissfully oblivious to his ignorance).

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    7. @Bong, i have not done acting beyond taking a few classes for fun. At first look you have a logical argument - look, i like intellectual debates in which one wins the argument with rigor logic..
      That's what many of us have been trained to do in school. But Real world don't give a toss about the rigor of our logic. We need raw, solid facts and we should be able to generate results. Now i don't know if LIFT's argument is the truth.. i'm in no position to judge. As an observer, i can only say that if i wanted to find work as an actor i could go to him for advice not you. He's an insider who has facts from the-ground-up.
      As for your "psychological assessment" of our blogger.. maybe Mark got under his skin, sure.
      I'm frankly not crazy about this article either. I wouldn't have bothered to reply if i hadn't seen your reply. You see assessment of people is a pet interest of mine since i come from a science background and work essentially in sales and marketing. I want to ask how do you know that Tom Cruise and Robert Downey Jr aren't defensive? The internet is rife with stories of Tom Cruise being extremely volatile even abusive over the smallest slights. Rob Downey Jr has been described as being a really difficult person in the past. i don't know if LIFT is right. But i do know you are wrong, because what you have is just a bag of theories and stereotypes with no foundation of facts.

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    8. @LChen: and more to the point, Bong has only talked about a very small handful of celebrities who are in the public eye. They represent a very small percentage of actors in the industry. He seems happy to condemn 99.99% of actors who have not become as successful as these big stars like Kevin Spaceey or Robert Downey Jr. All I am saying is that I am from within the industry and amongst the other 99.99% of actors, there are a whole range of other benchmarks that you can use to measure success (and I will talk about those in my next article), but following the money isn't a bad way to evaluate success. Let's get down to earth here: acting is not some intellectual pursuit, it is not some arty-farty exercise done for an A level exam just to impress a bunch of teachers about how talented you are. Hell no, it's about being able to make a living, pay the bills and earn enough money as an actor to prove to yourself that you can indeed do this for a living because it doesn't matter how artistic or talented you are, that ain't gonna pay the bills unless you're getting decent work regularly as an actor. It is about understanding the industry and being able to pitch yourself into the right categories, identifying a niche you can fill and then treating it very much like a business - knowing whom to work with, how to network, how to impress everyone from agents to directors to casting decision makers. I get the impression that Bong knows nothing about how actors get work - he only knows which actors has impressed him in the films/TV shows he has seen of late and is formulating his opinion and judgement entirely based on an outsider's POV.

      As LChen pointed out, my perspective is radically different: I have an insider's perspective. But would Bong pause for a moment and ponder what that means? Hell no, he's too keen to shove his ill-informed outsider's opinion down my throat. But hey, I've grown up with severely autistic parents who do the same shit all the time. They ignore the fact that I am so much more highly educated than them and still insist on inflicting their extremely ignorant POVs on me in conversations. I usually just ignore them, but I can't resist telling Bong what an ignorant outsider he is.

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    9. Sorry typo: "like 99.99% of actors out there who are not in the public eye like Tom Cruise or Lindsay Lohan" ...

      Anyway, to further illustrate a point, my friend Georgina is a graphic designer. She went to art school to train as a graphic artist and whilst she was in art school, all she had to do was to impress her tutors that there was some kind of artistic merit to her drawings to score well for her exams. Now as a working graphic designer, she has to create drawings that suits the clients' needs - it's a completely different ball game where any kind of artistic merit is secondary to pleasing the client (who is paying her good money to create those graphics in the first place). It's not like she's free to draw whatever she wants and gets paid good money for it - hell no, it's a business relationship she has with her clients.

      Are some of the works she has done on graphic design for her clients artistic? Yes and no - I'm sure the client's happy but it's hardly the kind of work that will end up immortalized in some art gallery. She does her own drawings in her free time for fun and it's quite different from the drawing work she does for a living. I've seen both her professional drawings and her personal ones she does at home - they are very different indeed.

      Likewise for actors, you think these actors are expressing themselves on stage or on screen when they are performing? Hell no, they are merely taking instructions from a director, the same way Georgina is taking strict instructions from her clients about what kind of graphics they need. She is a rich woman today because she knows how to work the industry, how to please the clients and so they keep using her services. Artistic merit has little to do with it for crying out aloud - it is a business at the end of the day. That's no different from actors who are out there trying to make a living in this equally unforgiving industry.

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    10. Hmm.. i think you just pointed out yet another myth that exists in Singapore:
      That passion = self indulgent work
      When we in reality we all gotta do shit we don't want to

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    11. In real life, one just hopes that the ratio of work we actually enjoy vs the stuff we just have to do to get paid is bearable. That's true even in the world of acting - believe you me, I had a miserable time in Hungary last year working with a bunch of wankers - like some people there were nice (I loved by choreographer who taught me so much, along with some of the Hungarian crew) but other dancers were downright nasty. But you know, you show up on set and you hope for the best whilst expecting the worst, what can you do?

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  3. I always thought that British people are masters at insulting people. I especially enjoyed some of the exchanges between Winston Churchill and Bessie Braddock which went like this:

    When accused by one of them of being 'disgustingly drunk' the Conservative Prime Minister responded: 'My dear, you are ugly, and what’s more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly.'

    Also some of the insults by the present day Jimmy Carr are simply hilarious.

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  4. Just a thought: Do you think that perhaps it is possible that it isn't just so much that your mother is autistic but that she is just really really stubborn?

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    1. Well you realize that I am allowing my parents to get away with anything and everything now that I've given them the excuse to do so? Otherwise, if it is not autism but flaws with the characters, then fucking hell, how flawed are they? Too scary to contemplate - I'd rather just give them the perfect excuse.

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    2. Everyone is flawed, no one is perfect. Yes you do what you need to do to get by.

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    3. @LIFT I think your parents are clearly autistic but I doubt that is the only problem afflicting them. I recently read an article about dark triad personality here: http://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-why-psychopaths-are-unable-to-love-their-own-children

      Maybe do further research on DTP and find out if the symptoms match those displayed by your parents?

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    4. Choaniki - regardless though, even if we slap a new label on my parents' condition - does that change anything? They are blissfully unaware of just how deeply flawed they are. Whilst I have successfully isolated myself from the worst of their behaviour by living 8 time zones away from them, I'm quite happy keeping the status quo this way by not speaking to them and I look at what you say and I think, OK even if they are indeed DTP or fucked up in any other way - then what? Am I going to try to 'fix' them? Hell no. I'm staying the fuck away.

      I hate to say this, but it's my sisters' problem if they should wish to open that can of worms.

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  5. Hi Limpeh,
    Your article is very interesting this time round.
    Can I ask you for advice on how to balance between the: if I fail its because of external issues i cant control like fate vs If i fail its because I mess up myself, i am my worst enemy.
    I find myself keep on alternating between these 2 extremes where im either a dying mess or super confident don't care attitude.
    For example, I didnt get to go to a department i wanted because i think the HR person just like the other internal candidate more. I am more qualified, but they say technical skills can learn on the job, his attitude and "outgoing personality" (and ok im sure striking good looks) is more important. So I dont know if i should blame myself for not being so good in the overall package, or there's nothing i could have done if someone just like other people more? Even my own parents love my younger sibling more, whatever I do they think is not good enough, she can fail exams and mess up and doesnt even get any scolding. So, if there's something Iearnt, is that i cant change other people's opinions of me.

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    1. Hi Aurora,

      If you're talking about the work environment, then you must accept that things could go wrong and ruin everything for you even when you have done nothing wrong. Heck, don't even get me started about the things that have gone through at work this year through no fault of my own - I deal with distributors and create 3rd party distribution channels for my company's products. I just take it in good faith that they don't mess up - but when things go wrong, I have to clean up the mess even if it has nothing to do with me. It can be frustrating but such is the working world: you have to learn to let yourself off the hook when things go wrong sometimes if it is clear that it is someone else's fault. Sure sometimes we can think, "oh yeah I could have done that or said this instead and the outcome would've been different" - but you have to allow yourself the space to think about it without rushing to judgement: are there lessons you can learn from the episodes? If so, then quietly acknowledge those lessons and promise yourself you'll grow and be a better person for it. If not, then allow yourself to just get on with life without brooding over it.

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