Saturday 24 June 2017

A misconception about rich people working long hours

Hi there, in today's post, please allow me to deal with a misconception raised by one of my readers recently. Stargazr wrote: "Studies have shown that after a certain threshold, say around $150K in the US, increased income does not actually improve life happiness. Guys on Wall Street are rolling in it but they work 24/7, have no time to do anything, are divorced, etc. It's extremely rare to find a job that pays a lot of money AND allows you the time to enjoy all of said money. If Money is your key to happiness, you're probably screwed unless you were born independently wealthy."

Well, I beg to differ. I think that as a society, we urge our children and young people to work hard by promising them that they would be rewarded for their efforts with not just great results at school, but a good job that will pay them a lot of money. Thus there almost seems to be this assumption that people who do make a lot of money must have done so by working hard - that anyone raking in over $100k a year must be working ridiculous long hours, that no one who is lazy would ever be rewarded with that kind of success, right? Well, allow me to speak as someone who does actually that kind of money: it is not so straight forward. Why do people make such assumptions anyway? Is it a fair assumption? Why do we assume that hard work would somehow always pay off? To understand this issue a bit better, let's look at this list of the 30 best and worst paid jobs: the list may be British but the basic principles apply anywhere.
Do rich people always work longer hours?

The lowest paid job in the UK is that of a waiter: poor waiters take home just £266.40 a week on average and that's about £38.06 a day. Imagine if they worked 8 hours a day, that works out to be a pay rate of £4.76 an hour - ouch. Oh and unlike the US, British people rarely tip waiters - not unless the waiter has done something really extraordinary. Mind you, even if the food was really amazing, I would want to tip the chef, rather than the waiter. Granted this article was dated 2015 November, I can't imagine the pay of waiters to have risen much in the last year and a half. Waiters are often paid by the hour and so if a waiter wanted to increase his pay by 10% next week, he could simply work 10% longer and so he would be paid 10% more. Wanna double your pay? Sure, just work twice as many hours but it it gets to the point whereby a waiter working 70, even 80 hours a week would probably have an adverse effect on his health and his family/social life. So simply working more hours is not a viable solution for waiters who are serious about improving their financial situation - say they want to get married and buy a house, well you're not going to do that earning £4.76 an hour. The long term solution would be for the waiter to retrain for another skilled job that would command a much higher salary, rather than simply working yourself to an early grave.

But let's contrast this to the best paid professions at the top of the list: can a CEO double his money by simply working twice as hard, say 70 instead of 35 hours a week? No, it doesn't work like that. How much the CEO earns actually depends on how profitable his business is and that's a pretty complex issue that's not solely dependent on how many hours worked by the staff. Likewise, for some of the highly skilled professions on the list such as pilots and doctors, there are laws that actually limit how many hours they can work in a week because fatigue can have fatal consequences: can you imagine a doctor trying to do a delicate surgery when he is so tired and prone to mistake? Or an exhausted pilot making a grave error when it comes to landing a plane with 300 passengers? No, for the people at the top of the list, simply working longer doesn't increase their income - they rely on different strategies to boost their earnings. So how do they increase their income then? Let's look at a case study from a field I am familiar with: sales.
In a recent post, I talked about my friend Lisa who worked as a beauty consultant - she works on the shop floor for a high end cosmetics company, selling directly to the public. The more she sells, the more she earns. It is pretty much a numbers game - she knows she will earn more on a Saturday afternoon compared to a Monday morning, because the shop will be far more crowded on a Saturday. In sharp contrast, I broker distribution channels for complex financial instruments, I can spend days, even weeks working with just one distributor because that distributor can potentially distribute tens of millions, even hundreds of millions of pounds worth of investments for us. Whilst Lisa is attempting to speak to as many customers as possible to maximize her sales, I am focusing 50% of my time on my top distributor - nurturing the quality of the relationship I have with his company, I then spend about 25% of my time with another partner who uses our complex financial products to create model portfolios - he is a highly respected financial planner with loads of experience and many useful contacts: we are using the quality of his reputation and relationships to reach investors whom we'll otherwise have challenges accessing. So 75% of my time is spent talking to two people at work, whilst Lisa rarely ever speaks to the same customer twice on the shop floor. Heck, once someone buys a good product from her, they will probably buy it online next time for a cheaper price - as demonstrated by the clip below.
Would spending more time with my top distributor and financial planner partner increase my profits? Well, it isn't that straight forward at all, sure the quality of our working relationships are important but simply sitting together in twice as many meetings a week wouldn't automatically double my revenue. I need to work smart, not hard. That means coming up with more inventive strategies to get my company's products to market, to reach new segments of the market where we have yet to distribute into, to come up with new ways to package up our products so it would appeal to different investors. In short, I need more good ideas and simply spending longer hours at work wouldn't automatically make those good ideas just pop into my head. It is all about developing meaningful relationships with the right people:  I recently got talking to a potential distributor and was warned by a mutual friend, "don't bother talking to him, he's about 65 years old and he is a dinosaur about to retire. He doesn't understand the complexity of your products and he really only deals with very old fashioned, straight forward, plain vanilla investments." Such are my challenges when I am dealing with complex financial instruments - they are so complex that even some in my industry do not understand them so I have to be careful whom I try to build relationships with. Thus I typically clock in between 30 to 35 hours a week, because I work smart, not hard. I worked out that I clocked in exactly 32.5 hours this week.

Managing directors of successful companies understand this concept - you cannot try to micromanage every aspect of the company, especially as it grows quite big. Instead, successful bosses assemble a very good team and hire the best talents, so they can depend on their team to deliver in their areas of expertise. Good management means choosing the right people for the jobs (hence the important role played by gatekeepers) - hire the right person and they'll just get one with the job, hire the wrong person and they will need constantly monitoring and frustrate the hell out of you when they keep making mistakes. Thus top MDs/CEOs are rewarded not so much for the sheer number of hours they work, but rather for their ability to assemble such a team and their foresight as such. By that token, they do not get rich by simply working crazy long hours, but by working smart: making strategic decisions to create the best possible business plans that will create healthy profit margins. That's not to say that some MDs and CEOs don't work long hours - that is their choice, some indeed do work long hours whilst others choose not to, but their success isn't directly correlated to the number of hours they have put in at work. There are other factors at play when it comes to working long hours.
Do you work hard or work smart?

Some people get paid more because they are specialists: take brain surgeons for example, that is an area of expertise that is so rare brain surgeons usually command a very high salary for their skills. Compare that to say a primary school teacher - now that is not a particularly highly skilled job and there isn't that much of a scarcity for primary school teachers, so primary school teachers earn a lot less than brain surgeons. Even if a very kind primary school teacher puts in extra hours to help her students, guess what? That just makes her a hard working, dedicated teacher - it isn't going to help her earn a penny more. But there's another way you can command a very high salary without working long hours - that's by having a unique combination of skills. When I worked for Google, they needed someone who was fluent in English, French, German and Mandarin for their project and I negotiated a very high price for my services on the basis that they could either hire two guys for the job (a French + German speaker, rare but not impossible to find and a Mandarin speaker), or they could just use me but I was going to cost them more. I worked out how much it would have cost them to hire two language specialists and offered to do the job for just under that figure - so it would work out to be cheaper to hire me rather than two specialists, but only just. I was handsomely rewarded for my unique combination of skills, rather than the number of hours I had worked at Google. Such is the way specialists like me get paid a lot more than others without actually having to work my butt off. So do you want to work hard or work smart?
In some countries such as Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea and the US, people tend to work very long hours compared to say most European countries along with Australia and New Zealand. In cultures where the boss expects everyone to work such long hours, s/he would typically hang around the office until it is 'acceptable' for the rest to leave on the assumption that if the boss leaves early, the office will be empty five minutes after the boss leaves. I have a colleague in Singapore who told me that in his company, it is considered somewhat unacceptable to leave the office before your boss (not unless you have a good excuse like, "I'm visiting my mother-in-law in hospital who is recovering from open-heart surgery after a heart attack and visiting hours end at 7.") Some societies have a culture of conformity - so if everyone works a certain number of hours or dresses a certain way, you'll feel a sense of peer pressure to do what everyone else in your company does in order to fit in and you'll worry that if you do not fit in, there may be consequences for daring to be different .So if this is the case, people may work 70 hours a week not because it somehow makes them more money, but it is more a case of peer pressure as a result of the work culture.

The fact is work cultures do vary country to country, industry to industry, even company to company and how long you ultimately end up working depends on the kind of company and environment you choose to work in - of course, there is a good reason why some very rich people working long hours: it is because they simply enjoy their work so much! I think it is just plain ridiculous to assume that people who work long hours resent it because they'll rather be home spending quality time with their families: some people actually do enjoy their work a lot and that is why they don't mind putting in such long hours as they are having fun at work. Having worked in the IT start up environment last year (before giving that up and moving back to finance), I have met some extremely ingenious IT experts who are so totally passionate about their projects that they are working late into the night six day a week. Nobody is forcing these guys to work so hard - they are doing it out of their own free will but even then, that doesn't even guarantee the success of their projects. Their hard work does increase the chances of their success, but it takes more than just hard work to bring a new project to market: you also need an extremely sound business plan, investors and a healthy dose of luck.
Some people are indeed passionate about their work.

Furthermore, if you were to look at how the work culture affects working hours, different countries have vastly different approaches to the issue of paid-leave. There is a useful formula to use to calculate this: we simply add the number of paid-vacation days to the paid public holidays to get the total figure for total paid leave. In Singapore, that figure is 18 - that is half of what the French, the Spanish and the Finnish enjoy, they get 36 days. But before you feel sorry for Singaporeans, the figure for Japan is just 10, whilst in the USA, there is no statutory minimum paid vacation or paid public holidays! It is pretty much left to employers to decide how much paid vacation days they wish to offer and some offer none at all, whilst others who do offer some vacation days tend to offer on average 10 vacation days after one year of service. So the total number of hours worked in a year is going to be much higher in countries like Japan and the USA compared to Spain or France because of these huge differences in their laws. So yes, whilst Stargazr pointed out that the professionals who work on Wall Street work very long hours - my response to that is most Americans do anyway but their counterparts who work in finance in London, Paris and Frankfurt actually work far fewer hours because the work culture in Europe is vastly different. Those professionals on Wall Street are not working such long hours because they earn a lot but because they are American and Americans on average work much longer hours than Europeans. No thanks, I'm quite happy with working about 32.5 hours a week, I have no desire to work like that."

I would like to also discuss the role of passive income: imagine if you are earning $100,000 a year, what do you do with all that money if say you have already bought your house/flat? Well, there are a range of choices, but you start creating a nest egg which starts generating passive income. So in my case, my partner and I own several properties in central London and which we rent out: we are landlords who collect rent from our tenants every month and without even getting out of bed in the morning, I know I am already making quite a lot of money from those properties already. The bigger your nest egg, the more passive income you have, the less incentive you have to work very long hours. But all this depends on your personal circumstances of course: my parents had three children and their income as primary school teachers didn't go very far, so they were forced to spend their free time giving tuition to make some extra money: we even took in some foreign students from Malaysia and Thailand and my parents acted as their guardians.
My family wasn't rich when I was a child.

So you see, how much you need to earn depends a lot on your personal circumstances: do you have any dependents, if so, how many? I have a friend from university who has two children already and his wife is currently pregnant with their third child - as you can imagine, they are hemorrhaging money because of their children. This friend earns about the as much as me (which, modesty aside, is a lot), but he is spending almost every penny he is earning at the moment whilst I am actually in a far more comfortable position financially as I have no dependents, so I can afford to save a lot more then spend the money either on more property investments or simply go on more exotic holidays. So my friend does have the motivation to work harder, to earn more for his family especially with another baby on the way, whilst I do wonder sometimes why I bother working so hard for, especially when I am already quite comfortable as it is financially. In fact, I could retire today if I wanted to. Imagine if a taxi driver has a pregnant wife who needs money for medical treatment: the only way he can earn more money to pay for it is to drive his taxi for many more hours a day - your personal circumstances such as your dependents can force or motivate you to work a lot harder.

I do sense that there is the whole concept of sour grapes. I am seeing a friend tonight who is a model - she has done some highly lucrative ad campaigns where she gets paid a lot of money for a few hours work, posing for some photographs or doing some ad - it is such easy money. She gets paid an obscene amount of money for working a few hours - how do you think that stacks up with Stargazr's theory about rich people having to work very long hours to make that kind of money. I think there's definitely an element of sour grapes there, "oh I don't want to be that rich because I value my leisure time, I value spending quality time with my family and friends - what is the point of making over $100k a year if I am practically living out of my office, working 80 hours a week? I'd rather be a bit poorer but have my free time. It is just not worth it." Well, my supermodel friend makes a lot more than that and we barely works a few days a month - the rest of the time she spends having exotic holidays, going shopping, dining in fine restaurants, posing for cute pictures on Instagram. So indeed there are some people like her who are earning an obscene amount of money whilst working very few hours. She is having her cake and eating it, living the supermodel dream lifestyle.
So there you go, that's it from me on this topic:  I hope I have explored this issue thoroughly and done it justice. How many hours a week do you work? What kind of work life balance would you like to have? Are you happy with the work culture in your current employment? Do let me know what you think, leave a comment below. Many thanks for reading.

39 comments:

  1. how long is the working hours in Singapore?

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    1. Depends - it varies industry to industry and it really depends on whom your boss is, what the culture is in your company. But people putting in 70 - 90 hours a week isn't unusual in Singapore.

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  2. Not all doctors work short hours most of them are rostered on shift work and need to work very long hours if anyone else falls ill. Maybe watch Confessions of a Junior Doctor on Channel 4 it shows how screwed NHS really is now and so many doctors are quitting due to understaffing and budget cuts.

    To enjoy premium salaries and sane working hours as a doctor you need to reach consultant or management level which definitely needs more than 10-15 years of experience. That is on top of their 10 years of training (to hit specialist level). There are so many easier ways to make more money. Look at Jack Ma.

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    1. I have a friend who has gone into plastic surgery and whilst he's not saving lives in an A&E department, he's making a lot of money performing face lifts and boob jobs. That's a different area of medicine, but still a highly lucrative route for doctors.

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    2. Besides, I think it takes a 'calling' to become a doctor, no one becomes a doctor to become rich. In any case, yes junior doctors have a tough job to do, but top brain surgeons and plastic surgeons are filthy rich.

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  3. Another thought provoking article!
    Challenges the long standing myth that
    long hours + high stress
    automatically
    = high pay


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    1. Exactly - I am amazed how people make the assumption that people who make a lot of money must of course be working crazy long hours when that really isn't the case. Quite simply, working long hours doesn't automatically guarantee you higher pay. Those who earn more than others do so because they have more skills, have better strategies and with all that, they can command a much higher pay rate when you work out how much they earn per day/hour, thus when they earn that much, they don't even need to work that many hours in order to be very rich already.

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  4. People who erroneously believe that long hours and a high income necessarily go hand-in-hand are only revealing how "suaku" they truly are.

    It's pretty obvious that the relevant factor is the nature of the income. If the income is generated by a pure exchange of time for money a.k.a. selling labor (e.g. blue-collar workers, even hourly professionals like lawyers and doctors), then of course the number of hours worked correlates with income.

    But that's not the only way that income can be generated. That's the non-scalable way: you can only increase your hourly wage by so much, and you only have 24 hours in a day, so there's a natural ceiling to how much you can earn, even if you're a top lawyer.

    Many high-paying salaried positions also come with a variable component (e.g. bonus, stock options, commissions, etc.), and your salary and other remuneration depend more on the value you generate rather than just how hark you work. It's about rewarding results, not rewarding input.

    Income can also be generated in a scalable way, i.e. basically people who sell products instead of services. If you run a store or even make YouTube videos or write books, technically you can serve hundreds, even thousands, of customers all at once and collect all that income without necessarily increasing your work hours. Your income is more dependent on present market demand for your product(s).

    Then there's passive income, where you invest in capital that produces income on its own, e.g. lending money to the bank a.k.a. fixed deposits, owning parts of a publicly-traded company a.k.a. dividend-paying stock, renting out real estate you own, selling software online, hell investing in Bitcoin, etc.

    The way I see it, we should always put ourselves in the position to earn passive income. We can romanticize our work all we want ("I'm passionate about finance, yadda yadda," all that rationalization BS), but we really produce our best work when it's no longer an economic necessity. Once you free up your time and dependence on money, really, you won't be too concerned about your income or net worth anymore. You'll be focused on life.

    Trust me.

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    1. I found it hilarious that you ended with 'trust me' - I read your points, all very valid and I agreed with you, but you almost doubted that people would believe everything you said at the end of that and for some reason felt the need to beg, implore the reader to 'trust you'? Why? You should have more faith in the points you have presented, they are all very valid.

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    2. "Trust me" isn't directed at you, Limpeh, I know you know. You did write this article after all. It's directed at the Singaporean pleibians to whom a life not even caring about money and income is totally unthinkable.

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    3. Well, perhaps there's a part of me that feels sorry for them. Little people who think they can have control over their destinies by working hard when they are condemned to a life of misery and poverty. It reminds me of the idiots who keep saying "drink more water" during the haze crisis when they were breathing in heavily polluted air everyday - people create the most bizarre rituals to give themselves a sense of empowerment even when they have little control over their circumstances.

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    4. @Bong, this kind of "suaku" people really do puzzle me! Everyday we meet people from all walks of life, whether its the businessman who owns 10 condos and lives off the rent, the investor who works from his lap top while exploring the world, or the gentleman happily retired at 50 and enjoying a life of luxury..

      i was fed all the usual BS by my moron mom, but by my late teens it was extremely clear how bizarrely wrong she was about the world, about people, about everything. A Zero. She was a classic "Empty Vessel - Big Cannon" Always bragging and lecturing but knowing nothing.
      Is ignorance really bliss,? do people fear admitting just how appallingly unskilled, uneducated, and underpaid they are? Is bragging about nothing more fulfilling than building a substantial career? Baffling.

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    5. "Once you free up your time and dependence on money, really, you won't be too concerned about your income or net worth anymore. You'll be focused on life."

      What do you guys think of universal Basic Income then? Not that everyone would be given extreme wealth, but enough so the basic necessities of their life will be taken care of, allowing all humans to focus on their passion in life.

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    6. Hell no. No way. But that's me speaking, you know I'm quite right wing when it comes to economic policies.

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    7. Universal basic income is a terribly unsustainable idea, simply due to the fact that most people, left to their own devices, would be extremely lazy and descend into mindless endless consumerism. Hey, most people are already lazy as hell even when they need to work for a living, what more when they don't have to? Why would anyone be silly enough to work to pay the taxes from which this "universal basic income" to be distributed?

      Life might be a right, but economic survival isn't. Work hard and make something of yourself or perish.

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    8. But you said earlier "We can romanticize our work all we want ("I'm passionate about finance, yadda yadda," all that rationalization BS), but we really produce our best work when it's no longer an economic necessity."
      Did I misunderstand something? In your opinion, When work is no longer an economic necessity, will people become extremely lazy, or would they produce their best work?

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    9. Okay, let me qualify my position.

      When work no longer becomes an economic necessity BY YOUR OWN EFFORT, you'll tend to produce your best work. My point is that anyone who cares enough to free up his time and is smart and capable enough to generate full-time passive income is a determined, productive person to begin with. For such people, they really do become super-productive when they no longer have to do what they need to, only what they want. It's those people who have earned the right to have ample free time (and still be well-off) who are most likely to work even when they don't need to, not the ones too lazy or stupid to even figure out how to achieve financial freedom.

      When you artificially grant a "basic income" to anyone, regardless of merit, you reward those undeserving of free time (the vast majority) along with those deserving of free time (the vast minority). You're essentially spreading your available resources too thinly, and it's an inefficient model for productivity at best, and it's insidiously-demotivating for the productive minority at worst.

      You have three children. One smart, one average, one dumb. You've never attended college in your life; neither have your ancestors before you. Your goal is to ensure that you have the first university graduate in your family, at all costs, by hook or by crook. You only have so much money. Whose education do you fund the most? Whose education do you fund the least, if at all?

      I might even go as far as saying that anyone who wants a "basic income" should need to come up with a proposal on what they're going to do with their free time in order to get taxpayers' funds. But that already exists in various forms: PhD grants, research funding, startup/angel funding, etc.

      My point is that you can never escape the inevitable negative economic effects of a socialist model, call it whatever you want: universal basic income, welfare state, "education is a right" a la Bernie Sanders, etc. etc. You eventually run out of other people's money to fund your lofty-high goals, and then society declines at best (Europe) and collapses at worst (USSR). The only countries still growing healthily these days are the ones who avoid a socialist economic model: the US, China, East Asia all come to mind.

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    10. Thanks for the explanation. I think I understand your position.

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  5. Hey LIFT, Japan's leave benefits are much more complicated than just the 10-day entitlements. The mandated 10-day entitlement is for new recruits, but the average employee has about 14/15 days of paid leave. And paid holidays are only entitled to employees that are paid by monthly allowances. So most employees get 14 + 15 days of paid vacation annually. But that said, if you are not in full-time employment in Japan, you would not get the benefit of the paid holidays.
    The labour policy is designed to encourage full-time employment.

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    1. Of course there isn't a one size fits all approach even in Japan, I was just going by the rules of the government in that Wikipedia page - in the private sector, it is up to each company to negotiate a package that is acceptable to both parties and sure if a company really likes a candidate, it can offer the candidate a sweeter deal by offering more paid leave and that's negotiated on a case by case basis. But the government's rules does very much set the tone for the kind of work culture in the country and that's why the Japanese do generally as a nation work extremely hard compared to say, the French or the Spanish.

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    2. Here is a supporting article for reference for anyone who intends to work in Japan.
      http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2016/07/24/issues/weeks-worth-questions-paid-leave/#.WVBuPRPyi_I

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  6. What you are discussing only applies to the minority of people. It's true that to manage a business well, it's not just putting in more hours. And if you are self-employed, it's very challenging to earn a lot through sales. The only financial planner I know is insurance agent, which is very saturated in the market. I read your article about your job but I'm still lost.

    So most of the people work as an employee. I'm quite a fresh grad, when I started looking for a job, I realised that many jobs have demanding working hours. Some require shift work, some require working alternate half saturday, some require doing OT. I refuse to do any of these jobs. I only find those that are 40 hours a week, or 8 hours each day. This is how I end up working for a job which I'm overqualified with, and my salary is below average. But I'm happy with this because I'm not a materialistic person. I rather have my work-life balance. This is not the case in Europe. I'm working in sales department, and I met Europeans. Germans and British told me their working hours are 40 hours a week, with 30 days of leave. I'm envious of that.

    Let's say the manager of a Singaporean company is resigning, and the MD has to choose someone from the company to fill up the post of the manager. Skills and results do play a huge part in promotion. But what if there are 2, 3 or more people who are as skillful in their job, and deliver roughly the same results? The MD will then decide based on who is more hardworking, or who is more workaholic. The one who comes to work on time and leaves on time may seem like he is quite lazy. The one who works OT may seem like he can get more profit for the company. The MD will promote the workaholic one. This is true even for promotion to the position of MD. So my impression is that rich people who are high in job title work very long hours.

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    1. Yiming, I think what you said is misguided and wrong is the following ways.

      1. I am talking about the wider picture whilst you're very much focusing on your own circumstances. As the saying goes, the world doesn't revolve around you - perhaps some of the things I said do not apply to you personally, but that doesn't render it untrue in any way. I get it that the only financial planner you know is a fucking loser - that doesn't mean that all financial planners are fucking losers; some are more successful than others - the same can be said about any field really. You made a silly mistake by talking about what you are acquainted with personally rather than looking at the wider picture.

      2. It is possible to still make good money in a saturated market - but you just need to be so much better than everyone else in order to do well. I deal with a very saturated market as well, but because I am just so much more fucking brilliant than everyone else, I still manage to have impressive sales records. Mediocrity is for losers.

      3. If you are so unhappy with the situation in Singapore, why don't you leave then? Nobody is forcing you to say, nobody has confiscated your passport.

      4. Yes working hours are longer in Singapore - such is the culture there, if you are not happy, then please - you know your way to Changi airport and kindly fuck right off. Otherwise, if you want to work in Singapore, you have to take the good with the bad and make the best of the situation, make sacrifices if necessary. I can make piles of money working a 30 hour week, but that has nothing to do with how hard I work - no, it has everything to do with my brain power, how fucking brilliant I am.

      5. You're such a fucking loser: you're overqualified for your job and earning peanuts yet you try to pass that off as not being materialistic? Hey loser, I work even less hours a week than you and I still earn so much more than you - yes I can have my cake and eat it because I am so much more brilliant than you.

      6. The whole bullshit story about the Singaporean MD picking the workaholic is bullshit. The situation is so much more complex than that - you wanna get the promotion and not your colleague? You jolly well develop a good working relationship with your MD so he will like you more than your competition - that's called office politics. The MD is not a primary school teacher and you talk like a pissy pathetic little primary four girl - what a fucking loser you are. Grow the fuck up.

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    2. So Yiming is a fresh grad working in a Singapore work culture, and he has already decided to give up on himself by taking on a job beneath his qualifications so that he can have a work - life balance? Wow! Your mother must be so proud of you, Yiming!
      If you are envious of the Europeans, here's my advice to you as someone older. Be more ambitious. Find a job that is worthy of your qualifications. Work hard and smart. Be successful in your field. Then find a job overseas. Envy should drive you. Laziness at such a young age is disgraceful. Add envy to your laziness and it's just unacceptable.

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    3. Well Di, Yiming is condemning himself to poverty and blaming the system - now that's just pathetic. He wasted his parents' precious money on his further education when he has no intention to work hard and the most stupid part is that he blames the system instead of himself? What a fucking douchebag.

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    4. @Yiming Are you one of the spoilt millennials that the MSM is talking about? When i started out working after graduation i didn't care about the pay or working hours as it was during the SARs period and i was lucky to even get a job!

      I had to start out working retail in SLS on my feet the whole day and i didn't complain even though i was earning a very low basic pay (commission based worker) Then for my 2nd job i had to do shit work at a helpdesk with lots of shift work (that meant public holidays and night shifts). Getting scolded day in and out for things beyond your control is really no laughing matter! I slowly worked my way up to within 5 years to end up working for a large Japanese MNC where i had the privilege to travel overseas on the company's dime, as LIFT would attest since i ever went on a trip to London all paid for by my company.

      Now you are just a fresh graduate and you don't want to work hard. You don't have a family so what work life balance do you require? The balance to go hipster cafe hopping and taking nice instagram pictures?

      If i were the MD i know who i would picture. Definitely the person who has a better EQ over someone with a more impressive Instagram account.

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    5. You see Alex, this is why despite disagreeing with some of what she writes, I still think Jeraldine Phneah is a great example to people her age.

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    6. I can't stand lazy young people. If Yiming were my child. I would have slapped him a long time ago. I would throw him out of my house and tell him to go make something of himself.
      What self-respecting woman would marry him? And his children would say,"That's my Dad. He is a lazy ass. When I grow up, I'm going to be just like him."
      Having worked hard all our lives to achieved what we have now, I continue to teach my child diligence and making good choices. I tell him that nothing comes easy. He can work hard flipping burgers or work hard in his studies to get into a profession where he may continue to work long hours (or not, depending) but with good money. I don't believe in envying others when I have done nothing to improve my lot.

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    7. @Yi Ming, are u claiming to be
      superior to better paid peers because u work less than them? Oh dear.

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    8. Oh Yiming, feel the burn! Bwahahahahaha. Fucking loser.

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    9. @Yi Ming
      Well, u have piqued my curiosity.
      i have been hearing this work-life balance concept from millenials and they seem to take it very seriously. Where did u chance upon this idea? Do they teach it in school? Did u learn this at some self help seminar? The newspapers? Your parents?

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    10. Oh, I have my interpretation of the work-life balance concept. Half of my time is spent on work from employment, the other half is spent on personal interest in my private life, which half of it, usually leads to more side projects that translates to future work. :)

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    11. Wei Ping i think its a fine concept and we all try to find balance in our own way. The trouble here is that Yi Ming is using this concept to excuse himself. He's a poser. Hes come here to this blog to claim that other people who have successfully found their balance of wealth and free time to be somehow weird or not legit. And hes trying to insinuate that taking a lousy job proves hes more enlightened. Huh??!

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    12. In case, anyone is interested, I just terminated a manager who put in long works at work, for performance issues since he wasn't able to manage his team and nobody really knows what he is doing despite the long hours at work.

      On the other hand, I had (poached by competitor unfortunately) another manager who only come into office few times a week and work from home other times. Yet, this manager achieved consistently above average performance ratings.

      It is about delivering results and productivity that matters eventually. Even my husband who runs his SME (your "kiam-kana" local companies) prefer a productive employee who has good time management rather than an employee who hangs around all the time but does nothing.

      Talking about millennials, a special snowflake cried last week because he stupidly sent out sensitive information on email. Approached me and sobbed NOT because of the mistake, but rather because his supervisor reproached him for the mistake. He looked bewilder when told to suck it up. I had to explain that this is a workplace and not a childcare center. wtf.

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    13. Cecilia, your story was priceless! Thanks for sharing.

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    14. Maybe millennials need more emotional balance
      and not work life balance! 🤣

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  7. Hi Alex,
    Thank you for your long and thoughtful post in reply to my comment. You make lots of great points, and I don't have anything else to add at the moment.

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    1. Hi Stargazr, I don't dispute the fact that people who work on Wall Street work long hours - but that's a cultural thing. Compare that to the people who work in finance in Europe and we typically work 30-35 hours a week. Huge cultural differences at play here, it's not the industry, it's not the amount of money one makes - it's the culture at the end of the day.

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    2. Yes I guess you are right on that one. My view was too US-centric, since I live here and most of the news I read is from here.

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