Saturday 13 February 2016

Q&A: Tie or no tie? What should you wear to a job interview?

Hi guys, in today's post, I shall deal with a simple question from a young man (let's call him 'Marius') who is about to have a job interview. "Hi there Alex, I am a graduate who is looking for work at the moment and have a job interview coming up. I have a question about what I should wear - it is an IT company, so I am wondering if I need to dress up? You know how companies like Google, Facebook and Youtube are super laid back and dressed down in terms of their corporate cultures, like people show up in their boardrooms dressed in jeans and T-shirts for meetings. I want to prove that I am keen and my mother said I should wear a tie - but I felt that could come across badly, I have done so much research and homework into this company and it is so not a suit and tie kinda place. So, can you tell me what I ought to do - do I default to convention and wear a tie because it is a job interview, or do I show up in jeans and T-shirt and risk making a bad impression? I'm not sure if there's a right answer to this but I'd like to get your opinion. Thank you."
Can Marius turn up for his interview dressed like this?

That's a good question Marius and I would suggest the following: do a bit of spying. Firstly, go to the company's website and see if you can get a feel of the corporate culture in there - there is a difference between smart casual and completely casual: yes there are some companies where people are completely dressed down. When I worked in Google, so many guys showed up for work in jeans and a hoodie - that was almost like a uniform there and ironically, the pressure to conform was just as strong as when I worked in banking and everyone had to wear a suit and tie. I gave in and wore a hoodie as well when I worked there because I wanted to blend in, be part of the team. Secondly, if their office is not too far from where you live, you could even have a look at their office to see what the people are wearing in the office - I understand that this may not always be possible (say you may not be able to gain access to the office block), but you can always do a Google image search on the members of staff or even look them up on websites like Linkedin. After you gain the information you need, you should try to blend in by dressing like them.

There is another aspect to this however, that is to be yourself. I always show up for my meetings in a suit and tie because I'm Mr Corporate - I hated wearing a hoodie for work when I was working at Google and I feel so much more comfortable in a suit and tie. My CTO (Chief Technology Officer) once asked me if he should wear a suit to a meeting and I said to him, of course not - to which he replied, well you're wearing a suit, so why shouldn't I? I explained that I was being myself and he should be himself and turn up in a jeans and hoodie, like most IT experts do. Our outfits are as mismatched as they come, but it does demonstrate the diversity in our team and when we meet our clients and business partners, they know whom they are dealing with as we are almost playing to our stereotypes. In fact, I told my CTO never to wear a suit and tie to a meeting because I don't want him to make the Addison Lee fashion faux pas.
The Addison Lee Driver look

Addison Lee is one of London's biggest private taxi companies - their drivers do not have a uniform but have a dress code: the men have to wear a suit and tie. But no, the company does not pay for the suit and the drivers have to find one themselves. Now many Addison Lee drivers are actually from Eastern Europe - the work is not well paid and thus many companies like that recruit their drivers directly from places like Romania and Bulgaria. So their drivers are often wearing the nastiest looking 1980s Communist era suits that they have brought over from Bucharest, Sofia or some other depressed small town in Eastern Europe as these people cannot afford to spend hundreds of pounds on a fashionable new suit. So when you see a man wearing an ugly suit driving a rather nice looking car in London, he is most probably an Addison Lee driver. It is perhaps a somewhat unkind stereotype of Eastern European drivers - but when a man commits fashion crime by wearing an ugly, unfashionable suit, we would joke that he is an Addison Lee driver. And that's why I tell my CTO, he didn't want to risk looking like an Addison Lee driver if he clearly didn't like wearing a suit and tie. What is the point of wearing a suit when you just look oh so wrong in it?

I wouldn't worry too much about overdressing - like if you show up in the office wearing a tie and clearly, nobody in there is even wearing a shirt with a collar, then just go to the toilet and take off the tie discretely (but don't do it in front of anyone else, as that will look too obvious and desperate). In the world of banking, it is far worse to make the opposite mistake: to underdress. There are some old fashioned institutions where you have to dress smartly to meet important clients and hence if you show up at an interview looking decidedly cheap and tacky, then you are clearly sabotaging your chances of working with people like that. The key point is to make the people interviewing you feel comfortable as they chat with you - that means mirroring them in not just the way they talk, but relating to them and creating a rapport: by that token, if you are dressing in a similar manner, than that makes them visually identify with you as well. Hence showing up in a suit and tie at an IT company with a very dressed down culture would be just as big a fashion faux pas. The penalty for turning up underdressed is far more severe than turning over overdressed.
Will you fit in or stand out at work?

Now am I making too big a deal about this - I can already here some people screaming at me for being oh so incredibly shallow and so focused on appearances, but if this job interview does mean a lot to you (and I know it does Marius), then would you want to leave anything to chance? Wouldn't you rather make sure that you do every little thing to boost your chances of success? You know, perhaps what you wear wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference, maybe it will boil down to something else together; like how you perform during the job interview process. But if the competition is very stiff and it is down to you and another candidate for the job, then at that stage, you will do anything you can just to get any little bit of advantage you can just to nudge you over the finish line first. How would you feel if the other guy got the job because you were stubborn about what to wear to a job interview?

Finally, you need to think about the kind of corporate culture the company possesses - do not mistake casual dress code to be a relaxed environment where you can simply take it easy. Far from it - from my time working at Google, I can tell you that people work extremely hard and long hours, even if they are extremely casually dressed. How would conforming to this group of people make you feel? If you do want to identify with them and aspire to be like them, then you wouldn't think twice about conforming as it would make you feel very happy and comfortable. Is there any room for you to be yourself if that means being somewhat different from everyone else in the team? You see, when I worked in sales, there was plenty of room to be yourself as long as you delivered. People cared far more about your sales figures than your attire, as the wise Deng Xiaoping famously one said, "不管白猫、黑猫,逮住老鼠就是好猫". ("Regardless whether you are a white cat or a black cat, as long as you can catch the mice, you are a good cat.")
Would you prefer to work in an environment with that kind of 不管白猫、黑猫 culture, or would you be happy to conform? Personally, I felt quite uncomfortable about conformity as it was not in my nature, it was not in my character to conform. And of course, conformity extends way beyond what you wear: for example, in some companies, there is a drinking culture - so in this place where I worked, the colleagues would get out of the office and adjourned to the pub after work to get drunk after a hard day's work. Those of us who didn't drink or had families to rush home to see were not a part of that 'bonding' process and thus were some excluded from the kind drunken camaraderie that was forged  in the pub. Then I also worked in another company where my colleagues tended to me married with children, so it was understood that the moment we got off work, everyone would rather go home to see their families after a long day in the office. It is the way the rest of the colleagues respond to the person who doesn't conform that really matters: do they just shrug their shoulders and say, oh well, or do they ostracize him for being different?

So there you go Marius, I have covered more than just your original question in this post but I hope you have found it useful nonetheless. If you have any other questions about the issue, please do let me know (and I'm sure my readers will have their opinions as well on this topic). So Marius, the best of luck for your job interview and thanks for reading.

12 comments:

  1. I think he can get away with a dress shirt (not French cuffs!) and dress pants at the very least. A tie is not too dressy for an interview and can be easily removed. People are more forgiving if you are a tad over-dressed than underdressed for interviews. I would never wear a hoodie to an interview even though my job allows it. I wear hoodies now because I already have the job. Once you get the job, though, you will be scrutinized more. That is, if the culture is flip flops and hoodies and you are in suits, you will stick out like a sore thumb. As someone off the street, I imagine they are more forgiving. In fact, they may think you are too presumptuous if you show up in hoodies.
    Frankly, if I could wear flannels all day, I would. LOL!
    Manus, all the best! I hope you get the job. Once you are in, you can dress in a way that reflects you.

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    1. Thumbs up for dress shirt and dress pants.
      If you are really that worried about attire, you can bring along a blazer and a tie and change in the building's washrooms if needed. No matter what the work attire will be, you should be presenting yourself decently as a form of respect for the position that you are applying for.

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  2. Hi Alex, how is your nephew doing? I hope that he is doing well in school.

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    1. Hey Dakota, how are you? It is very kind of you to ask about my nephew.

      I think what irks me somewhat is the fact that everyone (including my nephew) is obsessed with how he is coping with the transition in terms of how many subjects he has to do in sec 1, how long the hours are and how much more challenging the syllabus is. Whereas I am more concerned about him being able to make new friends, find his niche, discover what makes him happy in this new environment - my POV is completely different from the rest of the family who believe that he has to do well in his subjects first, then we'll worry about other issues.

      I remember secondary school being a bewildering time because everyone was so competitive, everyone was so smart in my school (I was @ RI) and I was lucky to be able to find my niche - I knew where I could retreat to and find my own space, to be happy and once I did that, I didn't care about being popular as long as I was happy doing what I enjoyed most. My studies were okay so my parents mostly left me to my own devices, but my nephew is not so fortunate to be as academically inclined as I was - so everyone seems to be pushing him quite hard to 'help' him with this transition and even the poor boy seems to be obsessed with trying to do well with his sec 1 syllabus. Sigh. What to do? I am but the uncle 8 time zones away.

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    2. I am doing very well now and .I am now in a JC.

      I would agree too that your nephew needs to find his niche and make new friends. The 4/5 years in secondary school passes very quickly and soon, he will have to either decide on going to a JC, or pick a course that will decide what he will be working as for the rest of his life.

      I personally find O levels to be quite easy, I made it to a JC by mugging my TYS last minute a month before the actual exams. It should be okay for him to relax for secondary 1 and 2.

      I think secondary 1 and 2 is in fact the best time for him to develop himself and learn where his interests lies, etc, programming, history, literature, design...etc.

      In JC/poly/ITE, it will be a different ball game because he will either be stuck to particular route or have no time to explore his other interests. It is important that he knows where he wants to go...even in JC, he will need to choose which stream he wants to be in. (Science, Arts, Commerce or hybrid).

      Personally, I am already staying up till 1am to complete my tutorials, hahaha.

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    3. Well, when I skyped my family, I just got polite answers that he's doing fine, not much details - so either he really is coping just fine (which is great) or they're not telling me. I hope it's the former.

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  3. When I went for my interview to get accepted as a radiographer as a career switch, I was probably the only one wear a suit and tie. I would say I was overdressed since almost all hospital staff wear uniforms to work. I have seen certain candidates in short sleeve shirts and even polo shirts. All of whom didn't make the cut in the end.

    So I would say it is better to be overdressed rather than under dressed. The hiring manager might be from IT and wears tshirts to work everyday. However, you just might run into the managing director or some HR director who wouldn't be to impressed with you turning the up dressed like a janitor.

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  4. In the context of Singapore IT, no tie is fine. Just a business attire will do. I wore a tie to my interviews in Singapore when I first returned, as I was accustomed to that overseas. After the X amount of interviews, I stopped wearing a tie after observing the dress code here. After working in several IT companies here, I observed candidates coming to interviews like that as well (no tie). Dress shirt can be acceptable as well as I have seen and screened candidates come like that. SMEs have a lesser degree of attire code. If you are talking about those big brand names, then yes it can be good to dress up and show some standard and respect in the big corporate aspect of it. That is why it is advisable to do your homework on the company. Check out their company address and profile to help size them up.

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  5. TLDR: Remember Amos Yee turning up in court in pajamas? Yeah, dont let that be you at a job interview.

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    1. Amos Yee was just trying to provoke his father as well the the courts by showing contempt for the system. Wear a shirt = show respect, turn up in pajamas = contempt. Where is he these days? Last I heard on social media was that he was on the run from the authorities, the last post he made on FB was on 12 Jan. It's been more than a month since. Amos Yee silent for a month? That must be torture for an attention craving person like him.

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  6. http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/2012-lesson-2-job-interviews.html?m=1

    Was looking thru one of your tidbits. You have said it very well here. Simply, you look at the candidate in amazement and ask :"are you taking the piss out of this interview or do you simply given up caring?".

    On the topic of young master Yee, he will be back with a bang once he finds something juicy and provocative. Count on it.

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