"Dear Limpeh, hello, I love your blog and vlog. I can see from your Youtube videos that you speak many languages. What kind of job would a person who can speak many languages do? I am fascinated by languages and speak a few, but am not sure just what direction that would take my career if I wanted to make the most of my language skills. Could you talk about this topic please and perhaps share your past experiences? Thank you very much for your help."
Well I am most happy to oblige. Allow me to make a few general points about using your languages in the workplace.
1. Quality vs quantity
I hate it when people get really shy about their languages. I have heard people make excuses like, "oh I speak some Spanish because I did it at school but I only use it when I am really desperate, like when I am lost in Spain and need directions, but there's no way I can use it for work as it is not fluent enough I'm afraid and I'm so rusty." Different jobs require different levels of fluency in the language - for example, if you were responsible for putting together the English subtitles of a Spanish film, then yeah, you need to be totally fluent to be able to capture to true meaning of every single conversation that takes place during that film. But if you are working in a hotel and dealing with Spanish tourists who just needs direction to get to the local museum, then the fact that your Spanish may be imperfect doesn't really matter at all, as long as the tourists get the information they need. And then of course, there's everything in between: welcome to the grey area between the dichotomy of black and white.
I worked many years in B2B sales in the financial services sector: the only languages I am truly fluent in are English, French and Mandarin. Yet I was able to use a whole range of languages from German to Spanish to Russian to Dutch to negotiate many deals with clients who were not fluent in English - they were happy that I was making a genuine effort to speak their language and it did feel unfair to conduct business entirely in my preferred language, English when I was the one trying to sell them something. You can always buy in your language, but if you want to sell, you should always try to sell in the clients' language or in my case, meet them in the middle by speaking a mix of the two languages. Of course, I wish I was totally fluent in a lot more than just three languages, but it didn't mean that I was not able to use a language like Russian or Dutch at work just because I wasn't fluent in it, quite the opposite.
I have worked in capacities where I was specifically hired for my language skills (such as when I was contracted to work for Google) and then there were times when my language skills just happened to prove to be quite useful. Let me give you an example: last year, I worked on a commercial where one of the crew members was French and whilst the entire commercial was shot in English, I was able to use my French to establish rapport with that particular crew member. In the media industry, people move from project to project and it is always slightly scary to turn up on set when you don't know anyone on the first day - I always use my language skills to try to charm people, people usually warm to me a lot more quickly if they realize that I can speak their language.
3. Getting ahead of the competition in the application process
It is hard to get a good job these days - say a reputable company advertises that they are hiring and are offering a good package, you can be guaranteed that loads of people will apply for that one position. How do you make sure your CV makes it through the first stages when the gatekeeper is desperately trying to create a shortlist from the hundreds of applications received? Well, even if the job doesn't specifically require any language skills, people are usually impressed with those who can speak a foreign language or three. Why? Firstly, it is a mark of intelligence: it shows that you have a brain that can operate in different languages, thus you should be a pretty fast learner if you can switch from Russian to Korean at the drop of a hat. Furthermore, if you have learnt those languages later in your life, well that shows that you are a fast learner and if you can figure out Welsh grammar, then you have a brain that can make sense of very complex systems. So even if you never actually end up using any of your language skills in that job, those language skills can help you tremendously when applying for jobs in making sure your CV stands out.
Now I am casting my mind back to my childhood days in Ang Mo Kio, I remember how extremely popular my family doctor was in our local neighbourhood. In particular, all the local elderly folks adored Dr Quek because he could speak Hokkien fluently. The queues at his clinic would always be a lot longer than the other local clinics because the elderly folks liked the way he could explain their illnesses to them in Hokkien - whilst the other local GPs mostly spoke English and Mandarin only. On top of that, Dr Quek's staff at the clinic also spoke Hokkien, so they were able to explain the prescriptions to the elderly customers in Hokkien (as the labels on the bottles and packages were all in English). Whilst Dr Quek is undoubtedly a very good doctor, his ability to speak Hokkien gave him the commercial edge over the other local clinics who didn't offer the same service in Hokkien.
You see, if you had language skills and nothing else, your options can be quite limited to translations, customer service and teaching (and I'm afraid these options don't always command very high pay). The sad truth is that language skills just aren't valued enough these day - but those who are most financially rewarded for their languages skills are people like Dr Quek who are high skilled professionals with some language skills. I have a lawyer friend who is bilingual in Arabic and English - so he handle the legal paperwork for companies dealing with Middle Eastern governments and he is paid a lot more than a lawyer who can only handle legal paperwork in English. Likewise, I have an engineer friend who is bilingual in Spanish and English - his company has many projects in Central America, so he is able to deal with local contractors in Spanish and of course, an engineer who doesn't speak Spanish would struggle to do his job.
There are some jobs where you know exactly which languages you need - I remember years ago when I worked at a company with projects in Geneva and Shanghai, thus my French and Mandarin language skills were directly relevant. Then in my next two jobs, I had no idea what languages I was going to need because both companies were dealing with investors all over the world - so I had moved from an environment where I was using the three languages I was totally fluent in to an environment whereby I had no idea what languages I may use the next day. Some jobs will have predictable routines whilst others will be more unpredictable and take you by surprise; a good example is when my somewhat limited German language skills landed me a major role in a popular German drama series last year - the opportunity came along and I rose to the challenge. The fact that my German wasn't perfect didn't bother them as long as it was good enough - which it was. I may be doing more work in Germany this year, so perhaps that's a good reason for me to improve my German.
6. Some languages will be more useful to you than others.
Well apart from English, the one language that I have used the most in the UK is actually Mandarin - this is bizarre because it is in fact my third language but as explained in my previous article, many British people assume that it must be my mother tongue and that I must be totally fluent in it; so I am often entrusted with anything requiring Chinese language skills. I have also found French incredibly useful of course, because I am totally fluent in it and thus can function in a French-speaking work environment. Another language that I found useful was German, given the complete scarcity of Chinese-looking German speaking actors in Europe, I found myself in a very niche market indeed. I have barely used my Spanish and Italian I'm afraid, despite the fact that I am competent in both languages. And despite some initial interest in my Welsh language skills, I found it very hard to get much paid work with my Welsh language skills. I have found my knowledge of Malay very useful when traveling around Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia - but there is zero demand for it in Europe. Oh and ironically, the list of competent Hokkien speakers working in the media industry in London is very short and I've only used it three times professionally, but each time I was paid very handsomely for that rare language skill. Such is the nature of contract work for specialists like me.
Some people are able to find a full time job that which require their language skills - but in some other cases, if you have a rare language skill, then you may only be required for very short term projects but in order to find a language specialist for this short term projects, the pay tends to be pretty good. Let me give you an example: there was a documentary that was shot in Taiwan about the education system there. The production company needed subtitles done but found that their Mandarin translator couldn't understand the Hokkien spoken by the locals - so they hired me as a Hokkien translator to help finish the subtitles for the scenes were the older Taiwanese people were speaking to each other in Hokkien. I was actually quite highly paid for my ability to translate Hokkien to English for that project - but of course, it was a one-off and I wouldn't be able to make a living as a Hokkien language specialist in London. There are plenty of language specialists who do offer their services on short term contracts: but the hourly rate of a rare-language translator (ie. that of Hokkien) would be far higher than that of a Mandarin teacher at a school in London because the Mandarin teacher has a much more steady stream of work.
8. Sometimes you may use your languages, sometimes you won't.
Many people often ask me why I am not using my languages more at work, like I should be working full time in a job that fully utilizes the fact that I speak so many languages. The answer is simple: I don't have to - I have other skills to offer and as long as I can make a decent living, earn enough money, I don't need to use all my skills all the time. Take for example the fact that I am actually pretty good with dogs (which is why I enjoy walking my sister-in-law's dogs): if you saw how I am with her dogs, you may suggest, "hey Alex, why don't you go work somewhere with animals like Battersea Dogs & Cats Home, you are clearly good with animals." Just because you have a skill doesn't mean you need to use it to make a living: so don't be too fussed if you are not using your language skills in your current job. Maybe there will be opportunities in the future, maybe not - but as long as you are happy doing what you are doing and you feel you are getting somewhere in your career, then don't worry about not using every single skill you have.
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ReplyDeleteHi Emily, I wrote you a long reply but the internet thingy on my laptop timed out and I lost the message. I am going to try again.
Delete1. You are making a dumb mistake in assuming that your Singaporean mindset applies here, in Angmohland. You remind me of that silly Singaporean 16 year old girl who killed herself because she didn't get the perfect O level results and she feared that she would be grilled by employers in the future as to why her O level grades were not perfect and she would hang her head in shame. For fuck's sake, what the fuck is wrong with you Asian people? OK it's your problem that you have this fucked up fetish with grades and straight As but please lah, white people are NOT like that. They are not fucked up like Asian people when it comes to grades - so you didn't do well with your degree, you got a pass, that's good enough; you didn't fail, so you do well in your teacher training and excel in it. Then you can say something like, "my own struggles in my degree gave me insight about what it is like to be the student who wasn't perfect, this will make me a compassionate and caring teacher." Spin it around lah, use your fucking brain - you wanna get out of the Singaporean system, so stop thinking like a Singapore for fuck's sake.
2. The UK has a very anti-immigrant Conservative government, that's why our prime minister has only pledged to take in 20,000 refugees in 5 years. Germany has taken over a million in a year alone and at that rate, it will be 5 million in 5 years. The UK took in 1000 last year. That's a drop in the ocean compared to Germany and Sweden. But here comes the double edged sword Emily: you're a migrant too. As much as David Cameron is telling the Syrian refugees to fuck off, he is telling you to fuck off too. David Cameron has pledged to reduce the number of non-EU migrants coming to the UK and the overall sentiment in the UK now is very anti-immigrant. The Brits are looking at what is happening in Germany and are thinking, "fucking hell, there's no fucking way we'll open our doors like Germany, the Germans are fucking crazy with Merkel in charge."
So Emily, Cologne is in Germany. You are talking about working in the UK. I am glad you are thinking of teaching chemistry and not geography as quite frankly, your geography sucks.
Cologne is in Germany. Not the UK. Different country.
If you were thinking of going to live and work in Germany, then come and talk to me about it (as I've worked there in 2014). But what the fuck, you are talking about working in the UK but you are worried about what is happening in Germany? Like seriously Emily, what the fuck? What is happening in Germany is NOT happening in the UK, wrong fucking country. Germany opened her doors to the migrants, the UK slammed it shut and hung a big sign that said, "fuck off, we're full - please try Germany."
PS. By that token, didn't you realize that this is a double edged sword for you are a migrant too - you may prefer the UK or the US for our anti-migration stance (esp if Trump becomes their next president), but you have to realize that the more anti-immigrant a country is, the lower the chances of you getting a job here are.
PPS. I still am fucking appalled that you can confuse the UK for Germany. What the serious fuck Emily? They are two different countries, two completely different governments, completely different cultures, completely different societies and situation. You're like those older fucking ignorant Singaporeans who don't bother differentiating between different kinds of Angmohs. Yeah they're all white people, they're all the same - duh. Yeah fucking right.
Oh and I will be blogging about what happened in Cologne as I believe that I can explain what happened to my Singaporean readers, having worked in Cologne in 2014 and I understand German culture well. This is be like how I explained the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack to my Singaporean readers. I remember how a reader of mine (who is seemingly well educated) ask a lot of really quite ignorant and Islamophobic questions about refugees and I'm like, okay, either you're really dumb, or you really hate Muslims -you really need Limpeh to explain this all to you. Either way, that's why I blog. Akan datang for my article on Cologne.
DeleteI am still laughing my behind off. Emily wants to work in the UK, but she is worried about gang rapes in Cologne? LOL!
DeleteIm sorry for confusing the two and not going enough research, that was the fault on my part. I know that mostly Germany has opened its doors to immigrants... I just made a false assumption that the rest Europe would eventually follow the trend that Germany has set since I have read many articles applauding Germany for such a move.
DeleteI know that there may be an anti-immigrant sentiment,but chemistry teachers was on the skills shortage list last time I checked, so I thought I would stand more of a chance if I chose a profession on that route. It is a long shot, but worth considering.
I look forward to your article on Cologne, and I hope to see your thoughts on immigration, especially Muslim immigration in general, and whether terrorism is a valid concern. I have read many articles that argue either side, and I am personally undecided.
Well, in my defence, I have been pummeled with grades being the most important thing for most of my life from my parents, being called stupid by peers for not doing well and as much as I am trying to change this mindset, when i go for interviews and people are interrogating me based on my transcript, my A level results, my O level results, it is hard not to get a bit worried. I guess the psychological impact of that has affected me subconsciously more than I thought.
Emily, I'm glad you've managed to get over my swearing in my last comment as I do mean to help, really. But you've fallen into a very Singaporean fallacy on so many levels - the 'Angmoh' fallacy: like yeah, white people are ALL the same, regardless of whether they are German, British, French, Czech, Swedish, Polish, Spanish, Italian, Swiss, Dutch, Irish, Czech or Romanian etc. But in fact, there are HUGE differences in culture between these countries/cultures and of course, the fact that so many wars have been fought in Europe over the centuries should tell you that they don't always get along because of these stark differences. Take issues like abortion and divorce - some European countries restrict women's rights when it comes to these issues even in this day and age. And then there's gay rights - again, huge differences across Europe.
DeleteThus you need to bear this in mind when you look at an issue like the influx of Muslim refugees in Europe: there is a HUGE difference in the reactions of some countries, take Denmark for example: they have just announced a new rule to say that if you turn up and claim asylum in Denmark, we will confiscate your possessions to fund your stay and you will only be allowed to keep a small amount, because the Danish tax payer shouldn't have to subsidize refugees. It is a law designed to scare refugees away from Denmark - like if you turn up with your dead grandmother's wedding ring, they will take it away from you no matter how you plead (images of Nazi Germany taking the possessions of Jewish prisoners). Yeah, that's Denmark saying to refugees in no uncertain terms, "FUCK OFF, WE'RE FULL - GERMANY IS THAT WAY, SWEDEN IS THIS WAY, BUT DON'T COME TO DENMARK." Other countries like Slovakia, Hungary, Poland and the UK have taken an equally strong "fuck off" stance when it comes to refugees. Man, I could go on and on but I will save the details for the main article I will write on the issue. The rest of Europe is most certainly NOT opening the doors like Germany - quite the opposite in fact has happened!! You made a wrongful assumption before checking the facts Emily.
Articles are written by writers, journalists, bloggers etc and sure they are entitled to their points of views: but such decisions at the end of the day are made my POLITICIANS who care about one thing. "If I let in more refugees, will this affect my popularity in the next election? Will more people vote for me if I let in refugees, or will the voters turn against me if I did so?" In the UK (as in many countries), letting in more refugees is really just political suicide. You wanna lose the next election? Simple, just welcome more refugees. Such is the anti-immigrant/anti-refugee mood in the UK now (as in many other countries). Again, I could go on and on but wait for my article on the issue please.
The problem with picking the chemistry teacher route is that you may end up in a school in a part of the UK you don't like because that's where you can get a job: you can't say "I like West London" (for example) unless you can find a school in West London willing to employ you. Akan datang for the next article.
Emily, all joking about geography aside, do not worry about your grades. You were smart enough to even get into pharmacy and pass it. I bet you can teach chemistry better than me. No employer is going to question you about your grades. You will first have to get into a teacher training program, though. You may want to get that done in Singapore. Make sure the program gives you international certification. That is, it qualifies you to teach anywhere in the world.
Deletenot sure if my prev comment went through so just going to post another one. TL;DR : thanks for the advice, i will try to get my facts right this time instead of from left wing pro immigration sources, and looking forward to your cologne write up. :) Im young and not fussy about where I live, I just want to hopefully work in the west one day for another amazing experience, and oh Di there is no need to be so condescending to me for a genuine mistake.
DeleteHi Emily, no your previous comment didn't get through. I will explain the Cologne incident and the subsequent cover up in the German media Limpeh-style, ie. not politically correct, not afraid to tell it like it is, the ugly truth warts and all. I will finish it this afternoon and edit it tonight, perhaps I will post it hopefully in 12 hours or so.
DeleteAlex, maybe cover some of the current migrant crisis in Calais as well. I think they have just crossed a line. Attacking harmless children just to get a chance to get into the UK is reprehensible. Unfortunately looks like the French police are too short handed to do anything about it.
Deletehttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/633689/Calais-migrant-crisis-refugees-attack-British-school-coach-rocks-violence
Emily, yes, it was a genuine mistake. I apologise, but it was funny to me at least. Anyway, in this day and age, there is so much information out there. You mustn't read and panic whenever the news is negative. You read so much about guns in the States, yet not once during my recent trip have I seen someone trotting around with a gun. I am sure gang rapes in Cologne are not rampant. I may be wrong, so I will wait for Alex to provider further information.
DeleteHi Di - all should be explained shortly - I have finished my article on Cologne. I have worked in Cologne and it was a very pleasant city. The focus of my article was not so much on the mass rapes/gang rapes, but the cover up by the authorities and why there was even a cover up in the first place - this tells you a lot about the political battles fought in Germany and how something like that gets turned into a political football. This is all wrong, of course, as all politicians from all backgrounds need to unite and deal with the problem rather than dance around the issue. Akan datang, article soon.
DeleteFinally: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/die-fluchtlinge-frau-merkel-und-koln.html
DeleteHi Limpeh,
ReplyDeleteGood advice. I agree that different languages have different uses. I am actually quite frustrated because unfortunately my language was Japanese and it turned out to be utterly useless. Although I would say my level to be acceptable (N2), and I believe I have plenty of other competencies (social media, data analytics, finance), I have applied to many Japanese companies and they either want people who speak slightly better Japanese (but no reevant skills) or people who don't speak Japanese at all (but with a higher degree).
1. Sony accepted a Chemistry masters guy with no language background for a business development internship.
2. Muji, Uniqlo rejected me for being "ugly". Well they called it unfashionable.
3. NTT hired a Malaysian with no language skills, same type of degree but I got more internship experience because they don't want to pay CPF.
4. Astellas hired a Chemistry guy who speaks Japanese slightly better (I'm rusty on interview speech but Im the one with an N2).
5. Sojitz rejected me because I'm a girl. The interviewer said he can't send women to go to business trips to countries like India--his words.
Is this just the case for this language? Because im thinking of studying something else that is useful to my career. I studied Japanese because my mom forced me to choose it because I'm chinese and she thinks they are the same (out of German and French). I'm thinking of German (free education), French (because my internship was in a Swiss firm and I might increase chances of conversion), Russian (hell, it sounds fun).
Trust me you wouldn't want to have anything to do with Japanese MNC. I used to work for one for some 7 years. Apart from being very stingy with increments (how does $10 sound to you), they are known xenopobes and sexists. Which means as a foreign female you face a hugh glass ceiling. You are better off not working for them trust me. Use your Japanese skills to communicate when on vacation. It is not useful for anything more than that since most Japanese expats have some basic Engrish skills.
DeleteHi Aurora, never say never when it comes to being rejected for being ugly. I used to think that I was too ugly for Chinese TV (they love 'em young, fresh and beautiful) but at 39 and almost totally bald, I landed my first role for Chinese TV last year. And there's a lot you can do when it comes to styling yourself up to project a certain image to suit the company you wish to work for.
DeleteChoaniki has already told you a lot about working with Japanese companies - he's the one with first hand experience. I can't tell you which language to study - I found French and German both very useful at work - my French is totally fluent, my German isn't great but still, I am using them both a lot. Russian is another good one to learn because of the strength of the Russian economy. Follow your heart and choose the one you are most interested in.
Being currently employed by a Japanese company and working in Tokyo, let me offer my 2 cents worth of opinion.
DeleteFirst and foremost, depending on the nature of the corporation, the interviewers are looking for different things in the candidates. Let us take a look at the cases that you have provided.
1) As far as I know of (my current company is under the Sony corporate umbrella anyways), there is no direct parachuting into positions under the corporate hiring policies, so when accepted into the company, the position would be equivalent of interns but the speed at which you get beyond is purely personal competence. The educational background is actually rather irrelevant. For example, I only possess a 3rd class honors in Physics but is employed as a software engineer. So as long as you can convince the interviewer of your potential in the position, you are in.
2. Fashion/Clothing industry, is extremely particular about looks. So once again, the most important quality in which they are extremely stringent about are the looks. Even for locals, only the good looking is hired in the industry for the image. Try visiting any Muji/Uniqlo store in Japan and you will not find any average looking shop attendant.
3. Did you apply to NTT in Japan or NTT elsewhere? Because as far as it is concerned, in order for anyone to be employed by any company in Japan, you need to produce a proof of language proficiency in order to obtain the visa.
4. Japanese corporations, as far as I know of, opens up very limited vacancies each year. The pharmaceutical industry is of no exception, just that due to the stringent nature of the industry, probably only 4-5 positions a year. Combine this with more than 1000 local pharmaceutical graduates vying for that position on top of foreign applicants, competition is extreme. So any sort of advantage a candidate has makes all the difference.
5. Japanese companies are known to be held responsible for their employees' well-being. That said, the interviewer is probably prejudiced against female and afraid that if in the position, having to travel to a less safe country for business dealings, one might not be able to protect herself and do not wish to be held responsible for any mishaps. You should try to convince the interviewer that you can protect yourself to some reasonable extent. (That said, my manager has been nagging at me to make a trip to the clinic for my gastric pain.)
Rather that just getting dismayed or trying to blame others for not getting hired, you should try and reflect on why you are not being chosen. I did face rejections by companies too, but how you react upon the rejections is what may help you improve on your next interview. I was rejected by Amazon web services development team after getting past the basic technical screening as the candidate the teams were looking for is different from what I intend to do or what I would offer. But still, I treat the interview as an exchange and conversation of expertise and skill sets as I did learn from what they were trying to implement in the back end and what opinions they had of my implementations of certain algorithms. So it was a learning experience for me despite being rejected. Instead of brooding over your rejections, reflect and learn from it so that the next application would be successful.