Sunday 3 January 2016

More good advice for AD: part 2

Hi guys, one thing I do really appreciate about my blog is the way I am able to harness a whole community of people to rally around when somebody needs help. This is my second long response to an 18 year old guy AD in Singapore (you can read part one here). So, allow me to cut and paste his response so you know what I am responding to.
Armstrong Dicksmasher2 January 2016 at 12:16
Thank you so much, Limpei for writing so much information that I really needed! I ABSOLUTELY did not mean in the slightest to get a single cent out of you. The only reason I mentioned I was tight on cash was because I thought that cash would be one of the biggest obstacles in my hopes of migrating. I have actually less than $400 in my bank right now so that makes me worry about even being able to afford rent and food. Yes I admit I was being rash and impulsive, and partly suicidal.  My thought process was that I'll skip NS and with whatever cash I have I'll survive a few days without giving a damn about anything else, and after I travel around seeing the mountains and landscape that Singapore never had I'll starve to death in peace. Now that I look back it's..I know in the back of my mind there are better ways to go through which is what led me to write the first comment.

http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/part-3-working-hours-in-east-vs-west.html I forgot to mention your article of comparing working hours is also what really enraged me about Singapore, further driving me to get out of here ASAP. Thanks so much Chin Lam Toh! You understood me the first time.. To be honest, there have been many days that I wanted to kill myself since the O level period when I was 17, but I keep going on, taking a bath or sleeping makes me feel better and calms my nerves enough to rethink it. Taking the MRT to school everyday in the morning and looking at everyone around me in their wrinkly sullen looks of "another day in the grind" definitely doesn't help my depression and cynical view of Singaporeans.. Di Talasi's comment about working like a drone in Singapore for 10-15 years was what I had in mind about what every other common Singaporean would try to/tell me to do, it takes far too long for me.

I actually met one good friend from poly who initially planned to skip NS like me and become blacklisted. If that were the case he will not have a Singapore diploma as well. But he talked to his parents and they agreed to pay for his uni in US with condition that he finishes NS. Both plans did not include a diploma. Considering that he has relatives (ancestry) and connections in US to get that much desired citizenship, while I don't, that's not an option. I could try to convince my parents to pay for overseas study. After reading the entire article and all of the comments, I decided that one likely route I have is take a step back and change my poly course into something like radiology to allow me overseas, or maybe go into NS first.

Thanks so so much everybody! Especially LIFT. You definitely did not waste your time in writing this. Thank you again for providing insight into the choices I have that I could not possibly have figured out on my own scrambled mind. This route that I am planning now that can be achieved in 6-8 years is at least acceptable, if I could work for weeks of trips overseas in that 6 years its even more bearable. I have a religious father listening to a loud online sermon outside my room right now who has no chance of providing me such advice. Burying his sad life into religion in hopes of getting into heaven, a better afterlife, instead of taking practical steps to improve his current one. This is what makes religion so insidious and disgusting in my opinion. I'm sorry if I am blaming my parents, is it wrong that I hate so much that I am born into such low circumstances and connections. I shall take my future in to my own hands with the information that I have been so generously provided here.
I decided to write a longer post like that here because there are so many points I need to cover and this way I won't have a word limit. Firstly, in terms of migrating to another country - there's one thing you need to understand (clearly you've not done any homework). Singapore is an exception because the PAP throws the door wide open for anyone and everyone to come - most other countries are extremely selective in terms of whom they let in. So if you are a doctor or a nurse (or really, any kind of skilled medical professional employed in a hospital) - then boom, you go to the very front of the queue and they roll out the red carpet for you. If you are an 18 year old kid without any skills or further education, then no country in the world would take you. In short, every country in the world would tell you to fuck off in so many words. Well, "fuck off" is a bit harsh, but they will probably tell you to come back in a couple of years when you have a lot more skills to offer, when you have had some further education and training that will prove to them that you will be able to do a job of a skilled professional.

At this point you may say, "but I am only 18, I am still young, please give me a chance; if you let me in, I can spend a few years studying and become a useful member of your society." And the response will be, "perhaps, but you could also become a criminal and end up in jail; or just a useless person incapable of doing anything useful. No, we're not prepared to take that chance with you - but feel free to come back and try again when you have proven yourself as a doctor or something equally useful and impressive, at which point we will reconsider your application." Harsh but true. No country in the world would take a chance with an 18 year old kid without any formal education beyond his secondary education - you don't seem to realize that at this current moment, every single country in the world would tell you in so many words to fuck off if you tried to emigrate there. Oh perhaps some desperately poor African countries wouldn't care if you arrived and tried to make a life there, but I doubt that's where you wanna end up.
Are you a doctor or a similarly highly skilled professional? No?

How does emigration work then? Well here's the most usual route that Singaporeans take: you apply for a job that comes with a work permit. You stay with that job for a period of time until you can apply for permanent residency (different countries use different terms to describe that: in the US it is called a green card, in Singapore that's permanent resident status, in the UK it's called permanent leave to remain). How long you have to reside in the country before you can apply for this varies country to country - in the UK for example, the period is 5 years. After you get that status, then you can apply to naturalize as a citizen in due course. Now that's emigration in a nutshell and I am really simplifying the process - but note that it all starts with that job which comes with the work permit. These are given out to highly skilled professionals - like doctors - not to 18 year old kids who have no skills to speak of.

As for your suicide mission of see the mountains and die - that sounds so pathetic, I'm not going to feel sorry for you because if there's one thing I detest it is people who feel sorry for themselves. If you have been exploring my blog, you will see that I do travel a lot and I particularly love seeing mountains in winter. Perhaps it is this fascination with snow that I have, since I saw none of that growing up in Ang Mo Kio. In fact, I am off to the Sierra Nevada mountains in Spain next week - I had such a brilliant time there last year that I decided to go again. As someone who has traveled all over the world, let me tell you one thing: the more you see the world, the more you want to see the world. If you saw something pretty amazing, say you stood on top of the mountain on a clear day and you could see for hundreds of miles all around you - one's natural reaction is, "wow the world is so beautiful, I want to see more of it", not "okay, now that I've seen this I can die." In fact, as I am turning 40 this year, I am treating myself to an epic trip this summer somewhere amazing (I will tell you where I'll be going quite soon) to see more of this wonderful planet we live in.
The fact is, I don't think want to kill yourself. I recognize that you are frustrated with your current circumstances: you hate the course you are doing at poly, your parents offer little help or understanding and you still have to complete two years of NS. Killing yourself may mean not having to deal with any of these problems before you - but I think you would rather sort your life out for a simple reason: you don't need to kill yourself to resolve these current problems. Okay you have enrolled in the wrong course - let's fix that, let's find another course that suits you, one that will lead to a useful skilled profession that will enable you to emigrate to any country that you want. Once you find something that you truly passionate about, then studying and training will not be a chore at all - of course, all this may seem very vague right now because you have yet to start working but trust me, once you find the right job, with the right people, your future career could be extremely interesting and fulfilling. But that's up to you to find out for yourself what you really want to do with your life. You're still young but you need to make sure you embark on the right career path at this stage by getting the right education. It's okay to make some mistakes along the way (such as enrolling in a course that's so not right for you), but be prepared to fix those mistakes.

You don't have a good relationship with your parents: guess what? Me too. I was never ever close to mine and fought with them most of my teenage years. Now you could spend the rest of your life being angry and resentful, or you could simply start functioning as an adult and be a lot more emotionally independent. More to the point, all this anger and resentment isn't going to change your parents: they will probably just turn around and accuse you of being ungrateful for everything they have done for you. You need to choose to be pragmatic and focus on the things that will improve your life, you need to turn away from the things that will just make you feel upset (such as brooding over your father's relationship with religion). My mother is very religious as well - but I leave her to do what she wants and I don't interfere (because I don't see the point in trying to tell her how to live her life). I speak to my parents about twice a month these days, but that's via Skype and usually it's me speaking to my sister and they drift in and out of the conversation - we've grown apart and I just accept that I can't force them to be interested in my life anymore. You know that my mother has absolutely no idea what job I do for a living? My regular readers know me better than my mother. I could be angry - like what kind of mother would not even care, but what is the point of getting angry?
My mother doesn't really know what I do for a living.

Another important part of developing your network of friends as an adult is that you will soon find some friends who will understand you very well - much better than your parents ever will. Should that surprise you? Not actually, when you consider how big the generation gap is, your peers are bound to understand you a lot better than your parents ever will. Once you have forged some friendships with people who share the same passions are you do, maybe work in the same industry as you do, then you will soon realize how important these relationships are to you because these friends totally understand you. And when you need someone to talk to, you will automatically turn to these friends rather than your parents because they will understand your situation in a way your parents never will. This just means that you will drift further apart from your parents as you become an adult - some people are lucky enough to be close to their parents because the generation gap isn't that large in their cases, but for those of us who are not close to our parents, well, we just turn to our friends instead. Such is life, so don't be upset by the poor quality of your relationship with your parents, just accept things for what they are and move on with your life.

I am going to make a more general point about taking control of your life - clearly you know what you don't want and what you don't like, but you have not told us about what you do want out of life. You seem to be pretty convinced that if you end up working in Singapore, you would be "working like a drone". Now that's not necessarily true - yes there are some people with very low self-esteem and they end up allowing themselves to be exploited, treated like shit (as in this story, follow the link). Well AD, just because you leave Singapore doesn't mean that you will end up working for someone who will treat you with respect; by the same token, there are plenty of people in Singapore who know how to stand up for themselves and wouldn't put up with crap at work. This boils down to you as an individual, being willing and able to stand up for yourself in the workplace. It is about taking control of your life and knowing how to deal with unpleasant people if you should come across them in the workplace. By that token, that's all part of the bigger package of 'soft skills' I talk about a lot on my blog and you will need that kind of soft skills wherever you may work.
Do you have the soft skills to deal with difficult people?

As for your friend who claims to have this grand plan to escape to the US, if I may be so blunt, how little you know about the emigration process is astounding - I doubt your friend is any more knowledgeable than you. I have a feeling it is the blind leading the blind - the both of you probably know no more than a bunch of misleading half-truths and he thinks he can get American citizenship easily (yeah right). Am I condescending in assuming that he knows nothing? Probably - and I'm going to be even more specific: he is totally unaware of how little he knows and how inaccurate his information is, he is under the impression that he has it all figured out when he doesn't. That's the worst kind of fool - the fool who isn't even aware that he is a fool. Does he have a parent who has American citizenship? No? Does he have a living grandparent with American citizenship? Even if the answer is yes, without the consent and cooperation of the parent who is the direct descendant of this American grandparent, he is not going to get American citizenship. Other relatives (aunts, uncles, cousins, even siblings) don't figure in this equation at all.

And as for the 'connections' your friend has in America, excuse me whilst I 笑出门牙 - for my readers who don't speak Chinese, that's the equivalent of ROFL. Listen, this is why I am convinced your friend is either a total idiot who has filled himself with delusions of grandeur - or he has been feeding you bullshit lies and you have been so fucking stupid and gullible that you actually believe his bullshit. Given how little you know about how emigration works, I am not surprised that you are actually dumb and gullible to believe his utter bullshit. Like seriously, you write in perfectly good English but sometimes you do come across like a total stupid idiot. America is not some corrupt country where influential politicians or millionaires get to bend the rules and confer citizenship to their friends and extended family - all migrants who want a work permit and a green card are subject to the same rules. The only kind of favours he may get is if he has rich relatives who run their own companies - they would then be in a position to hire him and sponsor his work permit: but he still needs to be qualified in a job that would warrant the work permit of a skilled professional. Okay, his parents are rich enough to pay for him to hopefully go to an American university where he could gain the right skills to make that happen - but otherwise, he's still following the same rules and going through the same process as so many millions of other migrants hoping to make a new life in America. Having money just makes the process a little bit easier for him, that's all; but no, get real please, he doesn't get to bend the rules that apply to everyone else.
What does your friend know about acquiring American citizenship?

This is why you should take what he says with a pinch of salt (make that a big sackful of salt). I know he is your good friend, but don't believe everything he says. For example, your plans to run away from Singapore and 'skip NS' - no, very stupid idea. This is why I say the two of you are the blind leading the blind - you want good ideas, you come to someone older and more intelligent like me, you don't go talk to your best friend who is clearly a rich kid with more money than brains. You may think, "oooh I'll be blacklisted, I can't ever return to Singapore, well I don't want to anyway." It is not so simple. Just because you are a wanted criminal in Singapore (yes, refusing to serve NS is a crime in Singapore - how does 3 years in military jail sound to you?) doesn't mean that you will be automatically conferred the citizenship of another country. No, you will simply be a Singaporean in exile, unable to return to Singapore but the other country you are in doesn't care that you will be arrested the moment you return to Singapore.

Let me paint you a picture. You come to London on a tourist visa - that is valid for 6 months. But as a tourist, you cannot work in the UK, no employer can legally employ someone like you who doesn't have the right to work in the UK. But you decide you don't want to return to Singapore because you don't want to serve NS and you become an exile who cannot set foot in Singapore anymore. Let's say your best friend gives you loads of money so money is not an issue (remember you can't work): you move from country to country, getting tourist visa after tourist visa but wait, there's a problem: your passport is only valid for ten years and it will eventually expire. As a tourist who has no right to work, there's just no way you can convert your status from a Singaporean tourist to that of a citizen of another country. Most countries will welcome you as a tourist but will turn you away as you are a kid with no skills to offer as an immigrant. Eventually, you will be a Singaporean illegal immigrant stuck in a country, without a valid passport. The moment you have any contact with the authorities, you will be flagged up as an illegal immigrant: they will deport you back to Singapore (because you are still a Singaporean citizen) and a very long jail sentence awaits you in Singapore.
Did you even think about how you would acquire another citizenship?

So that's how fucking stupid your idiotic plan is: do you still wanna skip NS with your incredibly stupid best friend? Hey, at least his family has a lot of money, so he can afford to be a fucking clueless idiot. You and I don't have that luxury, people like you and I have got to be a lot more intelligent and come up with much cleverer plans to get through life, to get what we want in life. And you've already told me that your family is poor: just to study in the UK for 3 years, even the cheapest degree is going to cost you at least £80,000. That rises to well over £100,000 (or S$208,500) for some more popular courses in the top universities. If your family is as poor as you said, can you persuade your parents to find that S$200,000 to fund your studies in the UK? Even if they are happy to support you, do you thin they can find that amount of money for you? And if you're thinking of the US, that's even more expensive. Are you a straight A student who can apply for a scholarship?  Otherwise where are you going to find that money?

Besides, I hope you realize you're still barking up the wrong tree. Just because you have studied at a university in the country doesn't mean that you will be granted the right to work there after graduation. Again, a lot of that depends on your degree: say you studied medicine and became a very good doctor. Guess what? There will be loopholes in the system allow you to stay and work in the country because you're a doctor and doctors are always in demand. But if you did some useless business degree from a second rate university languishing at the wrong end of the league table, then guess what? The moment your student visa runs out, you will be kicked out of the country. In fact, a nurse who trained in the Philippines will have no trouble getting a job & work permit in the UK because we do need nurses in our hospitals - so you see, it doesn't really matter where you studied or did your training, ultimately, it is whether or not you have a useful skill that is in demand and you can be employed in a job that can get you that elusive work permit.
Do you understand which course you need to take at university?

OK, that's it from me for now. I know I have been harsh in this piece but I do need to talk some sense into you. You have been guilty of living in ignorance and allowing yourself to fall into a "the blind leading the blind" situation with this good friend of yours. You have a lot of homework to do in terms of deciding what course you wish to switch to. Once again, I invite my readers (especially Choaniki) to offer AD more kind advice. Many thanks for reading everyone.

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  1. AD, I will like to offer 1 advise.

    Read more books that can broaden your horizon. There are many self help book and motivational books in the bookshop or library for you read. Book like Robert Kiyosaki can really encourage you.

    The library will always be open for you to broaden you horizon if you are open to it.

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    1. Hi Kelvin, I think AD is already reaching out to people like myself (and my wonderful readers) to seek alternative points of views, that is a good start. The trap that some people fall into is that they get so consumed by their troubles that they don't bother trying to seek alternative perspectives on their problems and they only see their situation from their own POV. Such books are useful of course, but I think AD is after more specific advice to deal with his current problems.

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  2. @AD the only course you could switch to now is nursing. I'm busy with clinical attachments now but will explain more when I can.

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    1. Oh no that does not sound good..I spoke to my brother who is doing relatively well after poly and he told me about how difficult radiology is as all his smart friends who took Science poly course avoided that specific module, ultimately discouraging me from taking it.

      He instead suggested that I take up music technology as I actually play the piano up till grade 7 and I'll be able to take part in music festivals like Ultra, but I'm not sure about the prospects of working overseas in that course

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    2. You got me so fucking angry with just these 2 paragraphs that I wrote a reply that exceeded the word limit. You are so fucking wrong on so many levels I am going to have to write another long post just to tell you how fucking wrong you are. Akan datang. Limpeh running out of patience with your bullshit.

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  3. If he really wants to migrate, he needs to study in a course that other countries needs. He can look at their respective occupation demand list to know what type of workers are they looking for.

    I heard SIT is starting a radiography degree. Since AD is a poly student, why don't he take that degree and once he is a certified radiographer, he can proceed to migrate. I heard radiographer are in high demand in Canada and UK.

    Heck, after NS he can choose to further his education in one of Alberta's polytechnic to pick up a trade. Trades pay well in western countries if they are in demand unlike in Singapore where we treat our blue collar workers like crap.

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    1. Not just radiography my friend, but anything from physiotherapy to nurses to anesthetists to paramedics are high in demand. I kinda got fixated on radiography because that's the path that Choaniki took - but really, anything to do with medical science would mean that you would be able to get a job anywhere in the world and we're not just talking doctors here.

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    2. Yes I was thinking of trades too!
      i was reading this article
      http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204621904577016172350869312
      And he's a high school drop out!
      I wonder if it's out of the question for me , a Singaporean to work as a miner in Australia

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    3. Sonographers are also in high demand in Canada. Welders as well, I've been told. chaoniki was right. Nursing is a very safe bet.
      What worried me was AD and his idiotic friend thinking that they could just save enough money for a flight and "run away". Many landlords here do a credit check and crime check before they rent out their properties to you. Of course, there are those who don't, but if you want a decent place, they go by the book. Also, a damage deposit is required before you get to sign a lease. Let's say they manage to pass through those hoops but then what? They can't work legally on tourist visas.
      AD: your depression may also be due to chemical imbalance. A serotonin deficiency will cause depression. Have you had a doctor check you out? PLEASE DO SO! It is crucial before you proceed with any other steps.
      Also, your derisive manner towards your father's faith is disrespectful. I don't know if he forces you to practise his faith as well. If he doesn't, you need to just leave him to his beliefs. Has he sacrificed you at the altar? No? Then who are you to judge that it is disgusting and insidious as you put it? Finally, do not blame your parents for your "low circumstance and connections". It is all relative. You said they were poor, yet they are paying your way through poly (I am assuming). Hence, they are not THAT poor, or they are making HUGH sacrifices to give you a chance in life. For you to say that you may just not attend classes but stay on as a student is just ungrateful and childish. Life is what you make of it. At 18, you are already thinking of giving up on life because you are too darn lazy to work for your goals. You want that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, but you don't want to travel through Mordor to find it.
      Now, stop your hysterics. Go see a medical doctor. Have him run some blood tests. If you need your parents to pay for it, tell them your concerns. You need your parents' support still so be humble and sincere. Have you even told them you are depressed and suicidal? Have you told them you need medical and/or psychological assistance?
      Having said all that, give yourself a pat for reaching out on this blog. Some of us tell it like it is. Some are gentler. However, we are all concerned about your well-being and youthful foolishness. Good luck.

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    4. @AD - Simple answer to your question: NO. This guy is Australian, working in Australia, he doesn't have to worry about getting a work permit. You are not thinking it through (and you're testing my patience).

      To work in Australia, you need to qualify for a work permit.

      They have a points-based system to calculate how "skilled" you are and useful you will ultimately be to Australia.

      And as a 18 year old without a diploma, guess what you will score in this points-based test?

      You will fail it, oh and not just fail it, you will fail by a long, long, long way.

      Perhaps if you had a good degree from a good university + a few years work experience and earned more than S$50,000 a year, then yeah you may score enough points to get through the Australian points based system.

      It astonishes me how little research you have done about this emigration process. It shocks me that you can read this story and imagine that you can work in mining in Australia when you can't even get that work permit in the first place, given that you will NEVER get through the Australian system without the right qualifications to score enough points.

      Do your fucking research.

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    5. Here's the fucking research on the Australian points-based immigration system: you get a big fat FUCK OFF YOU UNEDUCATED BUM from Australia. Stop dreaming that you can bypass getting a diploma/degree - yeah if you wanna stay in Singapore and try to start your own business from scratch without any formal education, then that's fine. You can do what you want in Singapore - but what makes you think Australia would let someone like you in?

      http://www.migrationmatters.com/australiapoints.php

      I've done the test on your behalf and even if I am quite generous with your circumstances, you still fail by a long way because you have no qualifications and no work experience. Hence the Australian government is officially telling you to fuck off and go back to school.

      Duh. Fucking duh. Do your fucking homework.

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    6. Chill chill Alex. He's only 18! And I think he's trying out all possible possiblities to get out of his current situation without thinking rationally. And yes I'd have to agree with Alex, AD u need to do ur research well if u intended to migrate to Australia. I've an Australia degree yet I don't have enough points to migrate even I've vast amount of working experiences but those are not part of their required skill in Australia. Even heading back to the lab as a lab tech apparently is no longer a required skill in Australia compared to 5 yrs ago. They change the list from time to time and it's getting harder. I'd suggest to keep urself abreast to this if Australia is in ur top list for migration.

      Thinking about being a miner in Australia? U seriously sound desperate. Thinking of becoming a chef seems more realistic and achievable which Australia is in demand and it's under their skill set requirement for migration. I've been in conversation with my 24 yr old sister about this and I fully support her to bring her chef dream to Australia and we do think about setting up a restaurant together if we managed to head there one day. She's a IT graduate and she's not even in IT industry. She had wasted 2 years not knowing what to do till she find joy in cooking. Sooo, after several talks together, I encourage her to test out her determination by taking up some kitchen job. She's now holding 2 part-time kitchen job in 2 cafes trying to learn the A-Z of cooking as well as to test her determination. Not everyone can stand the long standing and heat in the kitchen. While she's affirming her choice, she also plans to head to cooking school in Singapore where she can use as a stepping stone. We went to education fairs and open houses to gain a better understanding and whether the certificate could be used as a further advancement for higher learning in Australia. We've done a lot of research and even work out a time plan to make this happen.

      Here's the harsh reality. U need to have a set of skill that allows u to survive well in other countries as well. U can't just go there like u wish. Migration at this point of ur life should not be ur top goal just cos u are unhappy over everything here in Singapore. It seems to me u don't know what u want and don't have a clear direction in life. I'd suggest u go figure that out before thinking of migration. But I'd have to warn u that even u may fulfill the points require, it's still subjected to approval by the immigration authorities. And they are not oblige to tell u what u need to have or do to get a PR. If u are who they want, they take u. If not, sorry u may try again much later or stay in ur home country.

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    7. Hi Katie, I know I am harsh... but someone has gotta slap some sense into this kid. I'm glad you are the voice of reason here. I know I can be tough on him at times. Many thanks Katie.

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    8. OK people part 3 is here: http://limpehft.blogspot.com/2016/01/follow-up-for-ad-part-3-more-advice.html

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  4. Regarding NS, I want to add a piece of advice that follows from Kelvin's remark.

    Dear AD, NS is not the end. Let me share with you my story.

    I entered national service years ago despondent and in the depths of despair. All my classmates had places in university while I was languishing in the uncertainty of not being able to secure a place in a local university. At some point, I came to the realisation that I needed to help myself. I decided to make full use of the 2 years in NS as a means of giving myself a second chance.

    My objective was to retake my A level exams to obtain a better grade. Unfortunately, doing so was nearly impossible given that I was posted in a combat unit. The solution? Getting posted to a stay-out unit. After BMT and several months in a combat unit, I eventually got posted to a unit that operated on a 9 to 5 schedule. When I stepped out of NS, I had retaken my A's with significantly better grades and, as icing on the cake, obtained my driver's license.

    The biggest regret I have in all of this is not starting on this course of action EARLIER. If I had gone into BMT knowing that I wanted to re-sit my A's, I would have done everything in my power to do so from the get go. I would have had so much more time to work on getting even better grades. Meaning, while my platoon mates were sucking up to their superiors in a bid to obtain a specialist or officer vocation, I would have made every effort to ensure that I got posted to a 'stay-out' unit.

    The key is identifying what you want and working towards it. Begin with the end in mind. If I were you, with migration as an end goal, these are the questions I would like to be able to answer. Note: I am of the same opinion as LIFT - don't try avoiding NS, but leverage it to your benefit. 'Xian Ku Hou Tian' (bitterness always precedes the sweet)

    1 - What vocation would I need to qualify as a skilled worker elsewhere in the world? The comments, and LIFT's post has already tossed up a few options - medical professional, accountant, engineer, IT, accountant, nursing, these are some options.

    2- How can I work towards being qualified as one of these vocations? Is there a part time course you can take on whilst in NS? Night classes? Online accredited courses? ACCA? Bridging courses that lead to a diploma or a degree? Don't let the elitist Singapore system fool you - diplomas are regarded as valid vocational qualifications around the world. (but do your homework to make sure!)

    3 - How can I take on a 9 to 5 vocation in NS? Challenging but not impossible. The general route is having a PES status that relegates you to non-combat fields.

    This is my advice in a nutshell. LEVERAGE NS to your benefit. You have a two year window where you can possibly retrain as a professional. Make that count! I did, and I'm sure you can too. The very fact that you are considering these even before enlistment is a great thing. I do wish I had thought of these things before I enlisted.

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  5. Singapore is not a bad place to live. I wish to migrate because I like adventure and going to new places. AD seems to be upset at life in general (his poverty, poor family relationships, lack of interest in his education, lack of fulfillment in life) rather than being unhappy living in Singapore.

    Migration is not going to be a magic pill for him. In fact, migration is going to make life harsher for him. He has to fend for himself - paying rent, utilities, phone, food...etc without anyone to fall back on if he screws up. He needs to take less risks to ensure that he can continue to stay in his host destination.

    I have a different idea. I will start a business in the comfort of my own country which gives a lot of welfare to (etc tax breaks, grants, subsides) and from there, I will expand my business overseas. I am able to pursue my interests + stay overseas comfortably as well. I will not kill my interests to take a nursing diploma just to migrate.

    Singapore is an extremely good place to start tbh if AD is interestes in Computer Science. Smart Nation is just one of the countless ways Singapore wish to become a technological hub of Asia.

    And if I fail and have to close my business, I still have my parents to rely on. :)

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  6. Perhaps I'd like share my story and my humble POV. When I was 18, struggling to manage 1001 problems of mine and coping school at the same time, I did somehow think like AD to a certain extend. The desperation of escaping the situation tend to lead me to just leave and dump everything without a concrete plan. I did thought of dropping out school after being in the course for 1.5yrs. The rebellious and impulsive me did ended up causing me making a lot of mistakes in life, for which some I'm still bearing the consequences now.

    While I'm in no judgement how one should lead his life, one thing I learned from my life experiences is don't always put blame on anyone/anything you think that someone/something is the cause of your current plight. It's all about choices and making the wise choice. However, every choice u make comes with consequences. If u knew the outcome is not going to bring u anywhere, then u may need to refrain from making that choice. Seems easy but humans are bound by emotions. Sometimes it's often ur desperate inner wants causing u to make that wrong choice. U tell yourself I'll take the risk and whichever brings me to, I'll bear it. Sometimes it's really hard to tell, how determine u r right now may not necessary means u r emotionally strong enough to face it when it strikes you hard. Then this is where u need to assess ur level of tolerance and acceptance. If u r a low risk taker then u need to have a safe proof plan. If u r a high risk taker like me, then u need to have the determination to hurl through the various obstacles. Even so, I've been to point of desperation and I hit my lowest point in my life. Ain't easy plus I'm literally all by my own with very few and little help from friends and family.

    To make u feel a little better, I came from a dysfunctional family. My mum is a compulsive gambler and my dad is abusive in nature. I was brought up in a family where I was very disconnected with my parents and was left to fend the world all by myself since young. Literally speaking, my parents never teach me. The society is my perpetual life school where I learn to make mistakes and how to cope with life. I started working when I hit the legal age to work. I fund all my textbooks, uniform and tuition fee via burseries. When I was in poly, I had to clock in over 20hrs per week and over 100hrs during holidays to meet my daily expenses and tuition fee. Cos of the dual life I was leading, I wasn't able to excel well enough to gain scholarship. On top of that, I was constantly in a situation where I had to fight to survive and get education at the same time, thinking with a diploma my life will be better. But things didn't go well as I perceived to be. When I graduated, the science industry was very immature and I ended up unable to get a job! So I went ahead to get a degree, studying part time for 3.5yrs, struggling to get a better job. Well I did eventually working with various international MNC where I got to travel and work with people from various countries. Good experience and I got to know various cultures, lifestyle and of course deal with various class of people including a fine indirectly brush of political military from Russia. But I faced a lot of political and humane issues.

    .... Continue....

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  7. I was in the healthcare industries and at one point dealing with cutting edge technology for cancer management and I had to do jobs to secure our investor's interest in order to get our subsequent series of funding. We've ethnical laws in place but these are laws are in place to ensure we abide and to keep us in check. It's often very gray and in order to make the money, we just have to twist it around to make it sound right in the eyes of the law. This is where I learned the art of twisting facts, staying up shrewd at all times on the expense of humanity. So being on that level means I get to see the dark side of this industry as well as the financial prospects. It's certainly good money but I'd need to be really shrew and cruel to be on the game. I can't pass through this stage of mine and I decided to call it a day. So now I'm basically back to square one, starting from zero pursuing things that make me more humane and rewarding though it's not fetching me good money. It's a choice I made and I'm accepted the reality I'm currently in.

    Well, I may have digressed and my story may not be applicable. What I'm trying to bring across is not to discourage but being factual and realistic here. What u expect may not necessary true in reality. And often times u need to learn how to cope the various adversities in life to get there. At ur age of 18, u've plenty of space and time for exploration but that doesn't means trying out 101 things will bring u to somewhere. I've tried a lot of silly things when I was younger and I hit a lot bumps along the way. Above is just one main part of my life. I've a lot to share which it's impossible to list them all down here. What I'd advice is to stay focus and study hard. Enjoy ur current status as a student before it's gone too fast. U will never find any joy or meaning if u chose to resent and complain on ur current situation. Ur dip is definitely a ticket to a lot of opportunities in the future though it doesn't guarantee u a better life u perceive. Sounds irony, but u do need to have something to start with. Real life starts when u enter NS and when u r out into the society. It's all about constant learning, making mistakes, accepting reality, learn from them to make wiser choices in the future. Cheers and good luck!

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  8. 1 more piece of advice. Be more grateful to your parents. They are "unhappy and poor" but are (presumably) still working hard to put you through school. And here you are thinking about not only dropping out of school, but disappearing into another country just because you have "zero faith" in Singapore's way of life?

    Your parents deserve better. Unless they are child abusers and thrashed you everyday or something equally bad. If not, what you were thinking of doing is a bona fide grade-A @$$hole move.

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    1. I agree with Toysailor. If perhaps one day AD became mega rich and successful and achieved a lot more than his parents, then he turned around and started judging them, even then, that would seem cruel. But as an 18 year old who has achieved nothing, he is really in no position at all to judge his parents.

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  9. @AD, ok now that let me lay the picture clearer for you. A Degree in Computer Science is quite worthless now, a Diploma in Computer Engineering more so.

    Since Singapore doesn't really have many manufacturing or R&D companies in the information technology field the jobs that tend to come your way whether degree or diploma would more often than not be either infrastructure support or system integration ones. Trust me there is really not much of a future now that the cloud is taking off. I was in the information technology industry for more than 10 years. Back then i drank the Singapore governments' coolaid and went into the IT field since they said that would be the next big thing (turns out it wasn't). Remember after that they were trying to get people into the life sciences field but it ended up an undergraduate degree qualifies you to wash test tubes only. I think Singaporeans should stop listening to the government and start thinking for ourselves, however many still continue to do so (that is a story for another day).

    Anyway my previous job was at a UK based MNC. I tried to use a tier 2 intra-company transfer work visa to get transferred over to the UK since there was a post available there. But HR said it wasn't worth the paperwork since i wasn't at a director level and my salary also wasn't more than £150,000 per year (who are they kidding i know directors paid less than that in Singapore). So with that rote closed off the conclusion for me is that it was all but impossible for most Singapore skilled workers to have a chance to migrate to a Western developed country (teachers, engineers, IT workers, etc).

    I went through the job shortage list of developed Western countries and the first thing that popped up is that medical professionals be they doctors, allied health professionals or nurses are highly in demand. What is a job shortage list you might wonder? Well it is basically a loophole where the current immigration or foreign work permit application process has a priority or shortcut for applicants from these stated professions. If you happen to be a skilled professional from the job shortage list you are almost guaranteed to get a work visa in the country you are applying a job for. So i made the decision to quit my job go on a mid-career switch to become a radiographer.

    That said since i have more years of experience and network this is what is applicable for me only. If you are currently a student with 0 work experience you choices are fairly limited. And at this stage i think the only course you can switch to is nursing. From 2016, NYP has discontinued all allied health courses (radiography, physiotherapy, occupational therapy, etc) since they will be offered at undergraduate level at the new Singapore Institute of Technolgy. But even if it were not discontinued you can't switch to those courses since they require a minimum of A level passes to enroll into. Of course the only exception being nursing which requires only O level. So that is realistically your only choice.

    Of course there are many other choices if you are loaded with money. Like if you have 500,000 euros you can get a what is known as a golden visa by buying a property in Portugal or Spain. Or even for 250,000 you can get a golden visa in Greece. You are allowed to go in and out of the country with this visa however you aren't allowed to work. Once you have reached 5 years you can start the conversion to PR status. But i think this is out of reach to most of us here so that's that.

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    1. Thanks for the detailed reply Choaniki - much appreciated.

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    2. I don't quite agree with regards to Choaniki's comment on Computer Science or Computer Engineering demand, all of my peers found jobs upon graduation.

      I got an expat job in Software Engineering in Paris, and I have a couple of friends who managed to get expat jobs too. And I have been an expat ever since - though I realized that I preferred the hospitality industry. I am coming back to IT again :)

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  10. LIFT, go easy on the kid. I can see where you are coming from. It's never easy breaking out of the social conditioning that is the Great Singapore Social Network (GSS), and his comments are symptomatic of this malaise. What is the GSS? It's like the fucking Singaporean Matrix, taking the form of statements like these:

    'I heard that...'
    'My friend say (sic)...'
    'That person told me....'
    'Tia kong hor... (I heard that...)'

    ....which are meaningless. Especially if they are made from ignorant, mollycoddled Singaporeans who don't have a clue what it takes to be qualified as a skilled worker overseas. Opinion isn't going to get you a job or a future outside the red dot, young padawan.

    LIFT is right. Do your homework and don't listen to people's opinions. Form one of your own. If you really want to leave Singapore, getting rid of the GSS mentality is the first of many steps you will need to take. Everything is available on the Internet. You have NO EXCUSE for not doing your research.

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    1. I did most of the homework for him. His options are basically:

      1) Get a lot of money fast.
      2) Stay in school.

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    2. Hahaha, ok ok ok you're not the only one who has told me that I am too harsh on the kid. But sometimes I need to bitchslap some sense into him and get him to snap out of that ridiculous GSS.

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    3. I really have no patience for idiots. He seems to think that he can just show up in Australia with his shovel and offer his services as a miner. I am exaggerating his idiocy, but seriously, he is delusional. Being 18 is not an excuse in this day and age. There is so much information on the internet.

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    4. PRECISELY, thank you Di.

      Yes a lot of people work in the mining industry in Australia, but there's a whole range of skilled positions - it is a very high tech industry that requires highly skilled technicians and engineers. They don't require manual hard labour, nobody actually does any manual digging these days - what did he think that they actually use manual labour instead of sophisticated machines to mine the minerals out of the quarries? Duh.

      Like you said, no excuse: there's no much information on the internet. The kid is just looking for shortcuts and quick fixes - guess what? There are none!

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    5. Hi LIFT,
      Please note that the article in WSJ was published about 4 years ago. The mining boom is basically over in Australia. Many mines have closed and currently there are about 100,000 mining workers out of work. AD has to be very careful and thorough if he's going to research for information on the Internet.
      Regards, Gustavo

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    6. Well said Gustavo.

      AD - please take note.

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