Sunday 2 August 2015

Why Asian parents are plain wrong about this.

I have to thank my reader ђҲ for bringing the tragic story of Jennifer Pan to my attention - for those of you who don't know the story, this seemingly brilliant Vietnamese-Canadian student has just been sentenced for the murder of her mother and the attempted murder of her father. As the story goes, Pan was pushed very hard by her parents who wanted her to be the perfect Asian student and when she couldn't deliver the straight As they demanded, she started falsifying her report cards just to keep up a facade to avoid disappointing her parents. Incredibly, the deception went on for years until it finally unraveled and in a tragic twist of fate, when her parents unleashed their wrath on Pan, she reacted by arranging for them to be killed. Yes it is a horrible story with tragic consequences, but there is a part of me that really wants to say, "watch out Asian parents - push your kids too hard and you'll turn them into Jennifer Pan."
Why are Asian parents obsessed with academic excellence? 

This follows up from the last post I did about the Singaporean family where the daughter killed herself over getting two Bs for her O level results - this was followed by the suicide of the mother who was responsible for her daughter's death for having pushed her daughter too hard.  This is certainly a topic I had blogged about before on my blog: it touches a sore spot for me as well as my Singaporean-Chinese parents are so guilty of this as well. It would have been easy for me to let sleeping dogs lie and tell myself that modern parents are more enlightened than my parents - but given these two stories with so many lives either ended prematurely or destroyed through this ridiculous quest for academic excellence, I would like to tell you why your Asian parents are wrong - let's look at the issue of academic excellence and how it relates to the real world. My reader Dakota summed up the system quite succinctly: 

this is not really the case in SG. To get a PSC scholarship, one must be an "all-in-one package" kind of person. Consistent As from young, been a leader in school and good leadership qualities, care for society and all that. This can be particularly be very important for those who long to enter the civil service, etc, as a dipolmat as it is seen as a "fast-track" up the ladder.
Well, it is very interesting to hear this from the point of view of a young person in Singapore who feels that she is trapped in this system and really doesn't have a choice. Let me speak as a 39 year old working adult who has been in the vital position of a gatekeeper, deciding which candidate gets granted the interview and let me share a few pearls of wisdom for the clueless Asian parents out there, let's talk about this, okay? 

Firstly, there is a huge gulf between having a wish list of things for your child and what your child can actually achieve. Of course parents want their children to achieve great things, I don't think there are any parents who set out to deliberately sabotage their children in life. Sure it would be great if the child could be a straight A student all the way from primary school, to be a natural born leader, great in everything from music to sports to foreign languages - at what point do you admit to yourself that your child has already tried his very hardest and pushing him any harder simply isn't going to yield any better results? In the case of Jennifer Pan, she simply was not able to deliver the straight As that her parents demanded of her. The sensible thing to do was to allow her to be a well-adjusted, happy teenager with very average grades - instead, her parents stubbornness ultimately led to very tragic consequences. As sad as the Pan's family story is, I completely blame the parents for bringing this unto themselves by refusing to be reasonable: sadly Mrs Pan is now dead and so many lives are destroyed because they were Asian awful parents.
Let's have a reality check please: your child's achievements will be determined pretty much by what your child's abilities are, not how hard you push the child. Some children are clearly going to do better at school than others, the key thing is not to insist on straight-As but rather to identify an area of interest where your child is good at and has some kind of natural talent. At the end of day, the whole point of education is to help prepare your child for the working world, those straight A report cards do not necessarily guarantee you a well-paid job in the real world. Companies need specialists who are good at what they do - nobody needs generalists who know a bit about everything, heck you could be ignorant about most things, as long as you're very good at the one thing you're being paid to do.

Regardless of what the system may be like or what society's expectations may be, children are but human at the end of the day. Not every child is capable of being a straight A student - rather, in reality, you will find that some students are better at some subjects than others. Let me give you a simple example: I used to get straight As for both my English and Chinese at school - does that mean that I am equally gifted in both languages? Hardly. I never needed to make any effort with my English and in sharp contrast, it took so much effort and hard work just to memorize the thousands of characters in Chinese just so I could get the grades I wanted. I was clearly better at English than Chinese - the sensible thing to do in this case would have been to focus on the subjects where I would have gotten the best results rather than just blindly picked the subjects that everyone else studied at school. This is why I laughed when I saw my friend Andrea share the following meme on Facebook (think about it, when did you last use Algebra eh?):
Oh I had this argument with my mother all throughout my teenage years - I know the system has changed somewhat since the 1990s, but I have to tell you this story. I decided to go to VJC to do my A levels because I needed 4 A level subjects to qualify for the Humanities Scholarship and I really saw absolutely no point in subjecting myself to two more years of mathematics.VJC was the only JC then which offered TSD (theatre studies & drama) as an A level subject, which meant I could do English literature, economics, geography and TSD (thus avoiding maths). My mother went nuts, she thought no employer would touch me if I didn't do maths at A levels, that they would assume I couldn't handle numbers. I told her, "I have no intention of pursuing any kind of career which requires a lot of mathematics, so why the hell should I bother with any more maths? Give me one good reason please." She had no answer, the only reply she could come up with was, "if everyone else is doing it, then you should do it too." Did my mother set out to deliberately screw me up? No, she didn't - she was simply totally clueless and misguided, but the sad part was she had no idea just how clueless she was. My mother isn't nasty, she isn't malicious - she's guilty of no more than being plain stupid at times when it comes to things like why we have to do mathematics at school.

Ironically, I did work in finance for many years and during which time, I only used my mathematics to calculate how much I was getting paid. It was the kind of sums a 9 year old could figure out - addition and subtraction, occasionally some multiplication when I had to calculate my taxes. Why? Because I had worked either on the sales team or on the marketing/PR team, none of which required any mathematics whatsoever. But here's the one statement that made me look at my mother as if she was really stupid (well, you be the judge). She once mentioned that I was able to get good jobs in banking because I did an S paper in economics back in JC. That was a major face palm moment. You know, there are times when I speak to my mother as if I am explaining something really complex to a very young child...
Do you need maths to get ahead in life?

I had to tell her that I honestly cannot remember much of the stuff I learnt back in JC - sure I must have memorized loads of theories and case studies to pass those exams, but I really cannot recall any of them so many years later. So even if I have passed some exams back in 1994, it is really irrelevant to my working life today because firstly nobody gives a flying f*ck what the hell I studied as a student back then and secondly, that wasn't even a degree for crying out aloud, so really, who gives a shit even if I did? My boss then didn't even look at my qualifications -  I didn't have to show him a copy of my degree, I don't think he even asked me what university I went to: he just assumed that I was reasonably educated because of the kind of work I was already doing and it was my work experience that mattered, not what subjects I did in school all those years ago. Frankly, if some employer asked me for details of my results from my JC or secondary school, I'd just say, "you're mad, I don't wanna work for someone like you." Is your self-confidence so low that you don't even know when to walk away from an unreasonable request?

Which brings me neatly to my next point: yes there are people who are going to judge you by your academic grades, but what if I told you that an employer wanted you to bring in every report card you had from your primary school and start bitching about why you didn't do well for this maths test in primary 2? What are you going to do then? Start begging for forgiveness for not having studied hard enough for that test or wonder why any of is possibly relevant to the work you are going to do for them? Here's the point I don't understand about Singaporeans - you guys seem so worried about your job prospects in Singapore that you're willing to put up with extremely nasty and unreasonable employers yet the unemployment rate in Singapore is actually pretty low at just 2% - compared to many European countries, that makes Singapore's economy actually pretty darn strong. It means that compared to the recession stricken countries like Greece or Spain, Singaporeans are finding jobs and that there are ample opportunities locally.
Is the unemployment rate this low only because Singaporeans willingly allow themselves to be treated like crap, such as in the Encore eServices case?  I am somewhat surprised to see young people lacking in confidence in Singapore - they simply don't have the guts to say, "okay so my grades are not that perfect but so what? I have plenty to offer and if an employer can't get pass the Bs on my report cards, then screw them - they are stupid and it is their loss, I'd rather go work for an employer who is capable of focusing on what is more important." And the fact is, there are plenty of gatekeepers out there who do look at the bigger picture - heck, what is the point of having gatekeepers and job interviews if you are not going to look at the big picture? Just get the candidates to send in their exam results and give the jobs to the students with the best results - but of course, that clearly does not guarantee that the company gets the best candidates for the jobs. We all know how complex this process is - companies do not want to hire the wrong person for the job as they can waste a lot of time and money training someone unsuitable for the position. I've seen this happen before, trust me and that is why the gatekeeper has a very important job to do!

You know, parents and students in Europe are a lot more relaxed about academic achievements and if you were to look around some Northern European countries like Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Finland and the UK - we're not suffering as a result of this attitude. I wonder how many students in Singapore actually know what the process of looking for a job is like - certainly, when I was a student back in the day, I had no idea. My parents frowned upon me getting any kind of work experience as that would have been a distraction from my studies - my mother said, "you have the rest of your life to work, what kind of work can they give a student? Don't waste your time lah. Who is going to care if you spent a few weeks getting some work experience? "  So many students lose sight of what the real aim of their education is actually for - education becomes a means to an end with this obsession for straight As. This reminds me of the instinct of lemmings to mindlessly follow what the others are doing, even if that means jumping off a cliff.
Do they teach you about the working world at school?

Allow me to make a point that may be rather obvious (or not): unless you have a scholarship which comes with a bond to serve, you really don't know what job you are going to do until you graduate. Thus some parts of my education turned out to be useful, other parts were a total waste of time. From the point of view of a gatekeeper, I would be looking for candidates who do have relevant skills for the job. Asian parents use their children's grades as an indication of good character - straight As mean that the child had dedicated himself to hours of studying diligently instead of hanging out at the mall with the wrong company. Well I'm not an Asian parent - I'm a gatekeeper, so even if someone presented me with a brilliant, flawless academic record - unless it is relevant to the job you're applying for, it is not going to influence my decision when it comes to picking you over another candidate. As a gatekeeper, I'm not your parent - sorry to have to point out the obvious, but so many Asian kids forget that.

So young people, listen to me please: you have a choice. Yes you need to study hard but the most important aspect of your education is to learn about making this difficult transition from being a student to getting your first job. Invest the time and energy to find out a lot more about what it takes to make this transition successful: don't be in a state of shock when you graduate and realize you have no clue what it takes to find a good job. The more to research and learn about the working world, the more perspective it will give you about the purpose of your education and if your Asian parents are too stupid to help you through this process, then tough shit you have to do this for yourself (the way I had to for myself). You have a wealth of information at your fingertips through the internet, so start getting the information you need to gain a long term perspective on the issue. That's it from me for now, please let me know what you think about the issue, in particular, let me know your thoughts on the Jennifer Pan story. Many thanks for reading!

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  1. Hi Limpeh,

    While I agree that grades are not the most important, you (ironically) have gotten good grades for most of your life, so you would not understand. Perhaps some people want to get good grades to let their parents be happy/not punish them/because they do not know what they like or want to do?
    As a university student, I notice many banks/Fortune 500 stating: excellent academic results as a prerequisite for each applying. An example is PWC, they want you to put in al your O Level, A level and the 40 modules grades you did in uni. Facepalm. I got frustrated and just didn't apply in the end.

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    1. Hi there and thanks for your comments. I appreciate you sharing your experiences here and allow me to offer my response.

      So what do you do if you don't have straight As then? Man, I can write a whole article on this. Try applying to smaller companies. I think that many young people are attracted to the prestige of working for a big name like PWC or any Fortune 500 company, I recently found out that a good friend of mine got a job with Linklaters and I was immediately very impressed: why? Because they only hire the best and clearly, my friend must have done extremely well to get a job with them.

      But guess what? Loads of successful people do not work for a big name like that. I chose not to - the companies I have worked for ranged from small to medium size companies who were specialists in their area of expertise; so it was the nature of their expertise which kept them small as the demand for their niche service was small, but I preferred working in a small company like that as I felt it was a more dynamic environment.

      Because so many people wanna work for those big companies, they have big HR departments with gatekeepers who can afford to pick & choose those with only the kind of academic qualifications they deem desirable, but with smaller companies, they are a lot more flexible. For many years, I worked alongside a non-graduate who was clearly smart but because of his rather messed up childhood (parents divorced etc) situation, he didn't go to university and chose to start working instead. Now a guy like that would have been rejected by a mainstream big company, but in a smaller company, they could clearly look pass the fact that he didn't have a degree and give him a chance - and they were right, he was very capable.

      Have you considered applying to a smaller company Aurora?

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    2. Unfortunately, that is the reality in Singapore.

      Majority of them only want to work in MNC company or in the office where the working time is Monday to Friday, 9.00am to 6.00pm.

      Majority of Singaporean shun retail jobs as they do not want to work in the weekends. Even if they want to work, they are very demanding in that they only want to work in weekdays only and in the morning shift. The same can be said for F & B companies in Singapore.

      The above experience are real experience from my mother who are working in the retail line now as a supervisor where the majority of the workers comprises mainly from Philippines who have PR after working many years in Singapore. Singaporean are the minority in the retail and F&B industry.

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    3. No Kelvin, with all due respect, you have made a bad choice of words here.

      Whilst it is true that many Singaporeans don't know how to think outside the box, I'm proposing a very simple solution: pause, think, ponder, consider and open your mind. There are alternative out there, but if you're too narrow minded or stubborn or ignorant to bother even considering them - then I ask you, whose fault is that?

      I'm saying to Aurora that (allow me to quote your words) "THE REALITY IN SINGAPORE IS THAT" she has plenty of options - whether or not she is willing to consider them is another matter.

      Allow me to give you a very Singaporean analogy. It is dinner time and you have set your mind on your favourite Fried Hokkien Mee - but when you get there, you realized the the auntie has closed her store early and you see her packing up, cleaning up. She says, "sorry I sao-tong (收摊) already, please come back tomorrow." So what do you do in this case? So you're not going to get your first choice, but there are still plenty of other stalls in the hawker centre and it is time for you to walk around, look at what is on offer and consider your options.

      I don't wanna work in retail, F&B or anything that is low-paid - I know how much I should command on a per hourly/daily basis and I would not compromise: One will get paid a lot more when you use your brain power rather than your muscles.

      But please lah Kelvin, you talk as if there's working for an MNC, F&B, retail and NOTHING else in Singapore. Like seriously?

      Come on lah, surely you're not that ignorant?

      I've worked in finance, maketing & PR for a long time and have always, always worked for small to medium sized companies. My first job was with a fairly big player in its rather niche field, but still it wasn't an MNC as it didn't have operations outside the UK. I have always been able to command a very high salary in these smaller companies and I'm shocked that you're not even aware of the possibility of working for a somewhat smaller company rather than an MNC.

      Duh Kelvin. Oh dear. Aiyoh. Alamak.

      I can only assume that you're a young student who has had no experience whatsoever when it comes to looking for work. Open your eyes. You're ignoring so many possibilities because of your ignorance and stubborn attitude.

      Open your eyes and change your attitude. You have so many opportunities open to you to earn big bucks - yet you seem to only focus on what you can see with your eyes. You need to spend some time and effort to do some research and break out of your ignorance. Stop allowing your ignorance to be your worst enemy.

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    4. Take Hedge Funds for example - that's a very niche area of the financial services industry where billions of dollars are being made. It is very hard to get into that area of finance as it is extremely lucrative. Yes there are some hedge funds which are run by the big banks, but there are also loads of smaller ones which are run by much smaller asset managers which are small. They can have anything from like 10 to 50 people working in that company: they are small, sleek and efficient. They do not need to be big in order to make an obscene amount of money.

      If you get to work for some of these hedge fund companies in Singapore, then you will be:

      a) working for a (very) small company
      b) earning a LOT of money

      Oh - did that never occur to you? That you could work for a company that's not an MNC and still be a millionaire ?

      Duh Kelvin. Crikey. Are you in secondary school or what? Surely you can't be thaaaaaat ignorant?

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    5. First, I will like to say sorry if what I said hit on your nerve. It's true that I made bad choice of words but what you had said is really correct.

      Unfortunately, majority of the people who complain it online at most of the Singapore anti-government website had this type of mentality where everything also they blame the government.

      You are right that those who are without a degree can also earn high salary. My sister is an example. She is younger than me and she only have Malaysia O Level Cert. She is now working as a sales coordinator and her salary is now close to S$3,000. She is just 25 years old and doing part time study for her degree in Singapore.

      I, on the other hand, is earning S$2,200 with my new job as an Operation Coordinator even though I had a degree in Marketing from Malaysia. I am now coming to 30 years old. I may have to Singapore at a bad time in 2009 where the economy crisis is happening. This had made a lot of companies in Singapore looking for Singaporean only or those with minimum 2 years of experience.

      I even go into financial planning without any emergency fund when I had just get my PR in 2012. This had made my whole family suffer because of that decision but what I had learn in the industry for just 3 months is equivalent to working for people for 2 years.

      Thanks for telling me to wake up as well.

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    6. Kelvin... aren't you doing the same thing you're accusing Singaporeans of? You're saying that too many Singaporeans blame the government for everything - well aren't you blaming the economic crisis/recession for your inability to find a better paid job?

      There are opportunities out there, you just have to open your eyes and look a lot harder. For further reading: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/facing-up-to-cheaper-foreign.html

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    7. That is why I am being truthful here. Instead of saying about Singaporean mentality, I also said about my own weaknesses in this blog by comparing myself with my sister as an example.

      I do not mind being ridicule in this blog as long as I am honest about it even if sometimes I may choose the wrong words.

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    8. Nobody is trying to ridicule anyone here, we are just trying to start a discussion about the issue to help young people think about their options.

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    9. Hi Alex, Aurora, Kevin. I understand that the whole mindset, system and peer pressure is like a huge juggernaut that looks daunting. The system and mindset is what they are, you can't really fight them head on as an individual. Thus, you just have to work around them and make the best out of what you have. I personally find that easier rather than to rail at trying to change things beyond my sphere of influence.

      That said, one possible explanation why the Singaporean mindset is grade obsessed and "hard" is that it is still a socially very immature nation. I know it is hard to imagine but 50 years is very short. It does not help that the past generation of leaders had focused on infrastructure, hardware and bringing in the foreign investments. Thus, the energy and emphasis were put on "hard" skills. The soft skills and social growth are still lagging far behind. We are now caught in the conundrum where you have a generation of prewar / baby boomers whose mindset is still hardwired versus the GenXYZs who had the opportunity to be better educated. The transition is still ongoing. Knowing how the folks from my parents' generation were brought up, I can understand their way of thinking but it does not mean I have to accept their tunnel visioned approach and hillbilly mentality.

      After 16 years in the workforce, I can safely say that generally, the typical Singaporean is a good follower, operationally competent and consistent in following procedure / SOPs. However, the major weaknesses I have observed are poor problem solving skills, slow at adapting to changes and often time, a poor understanding of context. The ability to present, highlight and tailor information to the audience is also suspect - there is a preference for "standard" package one size fits all instead of tweaking and customisation. Even the politicians, whether from the ruling party or the opposition parties, appear bland, unappealing and seriously lacking in PR soft skills. I guess it can't be helped since with a compliant state controlled media and a largely apathetic populace, they never needed to "sell" and compete, thus a total lack in PR skills.

      I see opportunities here Kevin and Aurora. In the land of the blind, the one eye man or woman is king. It is thus a very low entry barrier if only you will bother to invest in cultivating your own soft skills and present yourself well. There is no need to focus on the big govt linked organisations and MNCs. I started off in retail and then moved onto a small communications and PR agency and I am presently working in my first MNC job only at age 40. Chances are there, grasp them.

      Good luck.

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    10. Some very good points there Shane, esp the part about 'in the land of the blind...'

      One also has a choice in terms of where one works: the kind of work culture and HR practices in a family run business (run by a 70 year old Singaporean-Chinese towkay) is going to be sooo different than an independent company run by a group of expats where Singaporeans are in the minority. Which environment would you prefer? Which environment do you think you would thrive in? I know which I would prefer.

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  2. I am a freelance writer but trade, and first and foremost let me tell Alex - many folks here don't really know how to write their CVs to show/highlight their skills and what they can bring to a company - in other words, they can't sell themselves. And when you can't sell yourself you get crap money and unsuitable jobs (no no jobs at all).

    Most of the CVs I have viewed are simply boring lists that only focus on job duties/responsibilities and qualifications and there is nothing to highlight their strengths and achievements. Government jobs are tedious to apply for - they ask for every single grade you never had - but as you said, SMEs (with an international presence) are now aplenty in Singapore - you really do not need to work for the top guys unless you are Oxbridge/Ivy League material. It took me around 4 months to look for a job when I came back from the UK in 2011 - but I finally chose one that suited my skills/background to a tee and the boss loved me as she was looking for a LOOOONGGGG WHILE! Our personalities just clicked. It was a reputable regional publishing firm that creates periodicals within my specialty - hospitality and tourism. I went for countless interviews with various firms - some I liked; and some which did not like me.

    In a nutshell, it is all about how you present yourself in the first 30 seconds - like a salesperson you need some sort of a pitch - for instance, mine is "I create and craft highly relevant, compelling features and articles that will engage readers, based on hard-nosed analysis and in-depth interviews."

    Above all, it is all about your EQ rather than your IQ. Individuals with a high EQ tend to do well in life - whatever their grades.

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    1. Hi Linda, thanks for sharing your insight. That's the problem I am talking about - so many Singaporean students are soooo focused on their studies they don't even think about their future careers and suddenly, when they are spat out of the education process on the other end upon graduation, they are pretty clueless about getting on in the working world. And that's why you hear people like Kelvin and Aurora going on and on about 'the system in Singapore' being obsessed with grades - when really, they are the ones obsessed with grades. There is just this sense of ridiculous entitlement, ie. "I studied so hard hence I deserve a good job." No no no no no. It doesn't work like that. Thanks for telling these clueless young people what really matters.

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  3. @TheLastAurora you don't have to work in the public sector to get high pay. In fact for entry and middle mgmt the private sector pays you much more. So you don't really have to obsess over grades as only public sector people care.

    You can also consider getting out of SG where there are so much higher paying jobs. Like HK for example.

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    1. Here's the thing with people like Kelvin and Aurora - there ARE alternatives out there, but these young people are so brainwashed that there are no alternatives by parents/teachers so they MUST study very hard. Otherwise if they are aware of the alternatives, they will be like, oh okay, the sky isn't going to fall down if I get a B ...

      This does account for why that poor girl killed herself over two Bs at O levels. For crying out aloud. Two Bs. What kind of sick parent/teacher would convince her that her life is not worth living if she scored a B or a C?

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  4. We just came back from Seattle. During a harbour cruise, we learned that long shore men made six-figure salaries after several years. Now, it is hard work, but it goes to show that you don't have to be a doctor or lawyer to make good money. Parents forget that they ought to nurture their child's talents or inclinations rather than force a certain path down his throat. My husband was explaining something to me tonight that required spatial intelligence. I had no idea what he was talking about. My brain isn't wired for spatial processing. However, I am a much better writer than he is. Asian parents need to focus on what the child's interests and talents are rather than forcing them to be top scholars period.

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    1. Furthermore Di, it's not just about making money - what about happiness? You've gotta do something you enjoy otherwise you'll be just miserable.

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    2. You are reminding me of the lawyer guy at U of Exeter who claimed that he was forced to study law by his parents and "have no choice". Well, if a person hates what he or she is doing, even if it rakes in huge bucks by the hour, he or she will not last beyond a week or more. There was something quite amazing when I was still an undergraduate. A student in the Theatre Studies program had told me and another person that his parents, basically VERY control-oriented Singaporean parents, allowed him to take Mathematics, Theatre Studies and some other subject, and yet did not allow him to study Philosophy because (quote-unquote) they saw it as "useless" and also thought that it "would stumble Christian faith"....SERIOUSLY??!!??? His parents had actually demanded that he MUST take Math along with another subject during the second year when he starts majoring, which means that he cannot skip out and have a combination of "purely" humanities subjects on his slate of majors.....At that age in his 20's, I would have thought that people ought to be more mature and independent to decide what they want, but perhaps, not when their source of financial support is their parents, and that source can be stemmed anytime due to their refusal to listen to them.

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    3. My parents tried to control me and I just plain defied them - trust broke down by the time I was about 13 in that I just didn't believe for a moment that they knew what was good for me and I had to take my fate into my own hands. I lost my faith and trust in them because... I just realized that they were incredibly naive and ignorant as primary school teachers - they were not bad people, they just knew nothing about the big bad world beyond the school gates. I just hope these Singaporeans who allow their parents to rule their lives like that are doing it for the right reasons.

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    4. I have heard of Singaporean parents who PRAYED for their kids to do badly in a particular subject in university--hint, philosophy, because it is "anti-Christian" (Duhhhhh....the earliest philosophers historically were Christians, so what were these parents thinking??!!??). It certainly did not spring from good intentions as much as mistaken intentions and a will to control their children.

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    5. The other thing about "Asian" control-oriented tactics on the part of the parents also applies to the children's dating partners and spouses. O boy, do not get me started about this. A Canadian friend of mine--a white guy--told me how he used to date a Chinese Canadian girl, and when the parents saw her with him inside the mall, the next moment, the parents were screaming at her to get back home, and they never ever met again after that because the parents had come in between the relationship, only wanting her to be with a Chinese. In other cases, I have heard of how international dating relationships, often between a Japanese or Korean (normally on the female side) and a foreigner (sometimes white, sometimes black or Latino), always end up being subject to a lot of stresses from the parents on the Asian side, who want their kids to marry or date someone "from the same race". Seriously, aren't we past that feudal mindset of a pure bloodline?

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    6. .... and I married a nice white guy.

      Take that.

      LOL :)

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    7. Yes. It's not about just about me money. If you like what you are doing, chances are you will be good at it, and you will be successful, and the money will come through your resourcefulness anyway. Hence, resourceful plumbers and electricians make lots of money. Lawyers who were forced to be lawyers by their parents wouldn't last week like Kevin said.

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    8. So funny now that you mentioned it, Limpeh. That guy who was forced to take Math and drop Philosophy by his parents is gay hahaha (at least as everyone in the Theatre Studies program knew back then in NUS), and I am sure that his parents are not even half-aware of it by one bit.

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    9. I know a friend who took a religion class as an elective in university and withdrew because it covered Christianity and history. She was Hindu. She was told by her parents that it was not a good idea as she might convert. Wtf?! Then there is my mil who still hates me because I am not a submissive Hindu wife. Goes to show how stupid Asian parents are. They want to control every aspect of their children's lives. How about just raising kids to be the best they can be, no matter what their field of interests may be? How about teaching children values so they can be good human beings with discerning minds to navigate their way through life?

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    10. I think that these values of "Asian" parenting get passed down too onto the children, and they in turn pass them down to their children and so on, until someone comes up in the chain of procreation to resist and overturn these values. For example, the idea that you must do this and that subject, "OR ELSE....", is seriously limited to "Asian" parents, because I have never seen it among western parents. The western parents I have seen either err on the side of being protective like helicopter parents, or overtly lax, but never will they really force children to do subjects according to prejudices and perceptions. All these just go to show that Asian parenting values have a lot of problems.

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    11. I had to let my son quit Mandarin after five years because he was miserable despite being the top in the class. He memorized everything but refused to use it with me or even at restaurants. He is now a much happier child. I had to let him decide what his interests are. I hardly help him with French at school, but he scores As anyway because he doesn't hate it. Moral of the story; let the child show you what his interests are and support him. He will shine that way.

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    12. It took me about 2.5 years to achieve the same level in French as I did in Chinese despite having a Chinese teacher as a father and coming from a Chinese speaking family.

      I often wonder how many more European languages I would have conquered if I had not spent so many years trying to learn a language like Chinese which I had clearly no aptitude for.

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    13. Sounds like my relationship (or lack thereof) with the Chinese language. Singaporeans always assume that as long as you are of Chinese heritage, you must be good in Chinese. Well, not really, I cannot really write it nor read it now. Yes, acquiring a foreign language takes time. I suspect that under that kind of pressure cooker system in Singapore, where they drum into you right from grade one onwards about the "rise of China" narrative (something I am still waiting to see with the bubble economy worldwide and if not, in East Asia), you cannot escape that insistence of the system on Chinese. The only way is to learn another language such as French or Latin for your O and A levels, but reasons for learning it are few and far in between. The senior pastor back in the church I used to attend in Singapore actually studied Latin and Greek as his foreign languages, and I suspect that it had to do with the older system back in ACS/ACJC where he was a student. Right now, Singapore is really crazy in this insistence on learning Chinese at all costs, and if I was a student in junior college or secondary school at this time, I cannot imagine what pressure I would have gone through studying something which I hate.

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    14. If only I was able to quit Mandarin like my son did. I would have scored better at school and been happier.

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    15. Actually, I think it is a simple case where you are less likely to do well if you have simply been defaulted to study a language rather than by choice. When I was in school, my Chinese was pretty decent but I simply hated the way it was thought with all that emphasis on rote learning and memorising specific phrases. Boy, was I glad that I could drop it after O levels as I took it as 1st language. I did not really dislike it because I had no aptitude but more from the way it is being taught and examined. I even acted a couple of plays and poetry recital in Mandarin which I enjoyed very much.

      Ironically, my Chinese which rusted away for years only got resurrected after I landed a marketing and communications job servicing mostly regional clients from HK, Taiwan and China. When there is a need, you will find the drive to do it. I managed to regain ability to read and write both simplified and traditional Chinese and even sing in Hokkien and Cantonese and recently Teochew songs. It is the same for my colleague who failed Chinese miserably (she is peranakan) and had to study for years in Australia. Her Chinese is now even better than mine as she had to similarly work closely with clients from China. It took her less than a year to remaster what her teachers and family failed to do in 10 years.

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  5. Hi, I think asian parents are overly strict in this regard. I've seen how some french parents raise their kids while I was doing my exchange in France. Many of them allow their children to explore their environment freely. Singaporean parents would try to confine their kids to their books and brag about it. This stops creativity. Sometimes I really dislike talking to my peers because their topics of discussion are extremely limited to school or work. They do not talk about the bigger things out there, and they do not see the need to.

    Jennifer Pan's parents forced her to go through a stressful childhood that I believe no children should experience. I think they got what they deserved when their studying machine turned psycho. And it's pretty sad that her parents didn't really adapt to western culture in this aspect even when they are living there.

    Just a side question, I'm not sure if you have blogged about how differently European companies search for a candidate compared to a Singaporean one. It'd nice to hear about it because I'd very much prefer to look for a job elsewhere.

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    1. Hi GL. I think you're new to my blog because I have already covered this topic - I have not lived in Singapore properly since 1997 (apart from a short stint in 2011). I am London based (and hold a British passport). I have written quite a lot about the process of finding a job (just follow the hyperlinks in blue in this piece) - often my Singaporean readers have left comments like, "that may apply with European companies but things are different in Singapore..."

      If you have any more questions for me (as a UK-based former gatekeeper) I would be more than happy to answer them.

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    2. European or at least UK companies at least has to recruit locals for all entry to mid-level positions. This is nothing to do with protectionism but a requirement from UK labour laws. Unless you are a highly skilled foreign talent commanding a high salary, or looking for a job in a shortage list it is impossible to find a job there.

      Singapore on the other hand i heard mainly goes for cheap and young, experience and loyalty be damned.

      Source: previously worked for a UK based MNC.

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    3. Well Choaniki, maybe GL just wants to find out initially what the recruitment process is like in another country with a different culture, where people do things differently.

      Rather than shut her down to say that "oh you can't apply for a job in the UK unless you're a highly skilled migrant" - I welcome the opportunity to talk about it with her: at the very least, I would like the chance to show my Singaporean readers that in other countries, people do things differently, that the Singaporean way is not always the best way, that there are alternatives out there and perhaps it may mean having to leave Singapore to seek greener pastures - but my goodness me, those pastures are a lot greener and worth pursuing.

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    4. Hi again, yes indeed I'm new to your blog. I'm very open to know what's out really, even in the UK. Honestly, I've seen the greener pastures out there and it's getting a little difficult for me to see how Singapore is a better place for me to be in.

      Ah thanks choaniki for your input as well. I understand that it's not easy for a foreigner to secure an employment in the UK/France, much less for a fresh grad especially with the kind of employment rates in the EU. Perhaps I'm still harbouring unrealistic hopes at the moment, but I'm willing to give it a shot if there's any possibility of me getting in.

      I'm actually quite amazed - from my conversations with my friends there - that many companies in France search for candidates without requiring them to be doing very well in their academics. I've many friends who barely pass, and they managed to secure an internship with an MNC even. If I have a question, it would be if I am not a citizen of the UK, I would have to gain some working experience in Singapore before I have a shot at applying for job in the UK. Thanks!

      PS. I'm a guy heh

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    5. Hi GL. Sorry I don't know why I was under the impression that you were a woman. Sorry about that.

      So what do you wanna know about the system in the UK? I am currently working on a piece which highlights 5 key difference that I've observed in the UK when it comes to making this transition from student life to working life - if you wanna wait a day or 2 for it, I am sure some of my observations will be quite surprising to you as we do things quite differently in the West.

      And as I said so many times before - there are gaps in the labour market in the UK. If you are a nurse, we will roll out the red carpet for you. We have recruited so many Filipino nurses to work in our British hospitals and thousands of them have naturalized as British citizens after working several years here.

      It all boils down to a matter of supply and demand - is there a demand for your kind of skills in the UK or France? It depends. I know Choaniki has made the brave step to change careers just to be able to have a trade that will fulfill one of these gaps as a highly skilled medical professional to move to the West as it would have been extremely hard for him to do so with his old profession regardless of just how well paid it was.

      And if I may ask you, what's your area of expertise? Like I said, for some people (like nurses), we'll roll out the red carpet for you. But if there is no demand for your kind of skills, then forget it - it's not gonna happen.

      Yeah, it's as brutal as that. So if you want, you can tell me more about yourself and I'll give you an honest appraisal. OK?

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    6. Sure, I'm specialising in finance and was analysing funds at a wealth management sme during my internship. I have been picking up on the wine industry - together with wine tasting - on the side but that isn't really official. I understand this isn't a lot, but what will be your advice?

      And regarding the system in the UK, it'd be good if you could what they look for in fresh grads really. Thanks!

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    7. HI GL, depending on how specialist your area of expertise is within finance, it seems highly unlikely that you will be able to get a work permit - a lot of it will depend on your salary and the higher the salary you command, the easier it will be for a perspective employer to get you a work permit.

      As for what we look for in fresh grads - well, firstly, we tend to disregard those from the crap universities.Listen we have sooooooooooo many universities in the UK + there are those from other European countries. Within the UK alone, we have like 130 universities: Oxford & Cambridge are at no. 1 and 2 of course, then there are those languishing at the wrong end of the league table.

      Apart from that, the gatekeeper will make sure we subject the suitable candidates to a range of tests which will see how they perform on a range of tasks, to see if they display specific qualities that are directly relevant to the task at hand. A lot of these psychometric tests will be carried out in a group situation - so a lot of the focus will be on team work & communication skills. Furthermore, we are also looking for work experience or any other kind of useful & interesting experiences outside your student life. In short, we look at the big picture to try to judge if you will be able to fit into the workplace.

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    8. Hi. thanks for your feedback! I'll be looking forward to your future posts.

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    9. Here's the follow up: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/east-vs-west-who-has-better-education.html

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    10. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/foreign-students-will-be-banned-from-working-in-the-uk-and-forced-to-leave-as-soon-as-they-finish-course-under-theresa-mays-tough-new-visa-rules-10385232.html

      LIFT you seen this yet? Another avenue closed for people looking to work in UK.

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    11. Australia also did away with its post-study visa for those who study in it years ago. The only country which probably still has the post-study visa among the English-speaking countries in the west is Canada. But then, getting a job in Canada is actually way harder now compared to the UK or Australia, because of the shrinkage of the job market in various sectors.

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  6. Hi Limpeh,

    Recently I got a good news that I was accepted for an internship. My frenemy who is academically excellent applied too but I didn't tell her I applied before her because I thought I did badly for the interview. Later she went through my belongings when I went to the toilet and saw some evidence of it. Then she accused me of "stealing her job" when she didn't even get an interview. Her words: "why would they choose you over me? I'm smarter and more experienced then you!" She is being very spoilt and keep on accusing me. She justcan't get over the fact that I'm lucky.

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  7. Dear LIFT,

    I've read your blog for sometime now and I must say that your posts on and around education in Singapore really hit home. To cut my story short, like yourself, I went to top schools in Singapore and the US while (fortunately) rebelling against my parents' (well-intentioned) ignorance - though I think they are much more open these days. I am, funnily enough, currently doing a PhD in pure mathematics haha.

    Which brings me to a point I'd like to add - not only is the Singaporean mindset on education nonsensical when it comes to actually being employed, it's also extremely harmful in academia. One of the struggles I had early on was not only coping with competition from the best the world has to offer, but also the fact that Singaporean education seems to breed a reverence for "correct answers". I had a visceral fear of making errors and trying new things which I like to attribute to this whole "10 year series mindset" - there's an alluring sense of safety in a system where, if one goes through the motion then one is more or less guaranteed some form of success. And, as much as it's clichéd, there's no way one could produce new and interesting research this way.

    Anyway, I look forward to reading more of your stuff in the future!

    Best,
    Elden

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  8. Hi Limpeh,

    I have been reading your blog posts for a while, and couldn't help notice the oft repeated refrain on the importance of social skills. I very much agree with this, having seen the importance of interpersonal skills in securing positions, power and influence, and having those same opportunities slip by me in life.

    I happen to have Autism (Though a high-functioning version), i.e. Aspergers, and along with the lack of support in the development of socials skills, leading to generally poor EQ.

    Would you be so kind to offer me some advice with regards to the development of social skills?
    Any help would be deeply appreciated.

    Regards,
    Arctus

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  9. Call me a sociopath but I'd personally do the deed. I've been in that high-end level of rage before and nearly killed a classmate of mine with a ballpoint pen and may have if it wasn't for a police call.

    Thing is, I have a low boiling point but even then, if I have to deal with something for years, someone will die. Be it myself or someone in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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