Sunday 17 May 2015

Vincent Law and Amos Yee: what the hell is going on?

Hello everyone. I have had a good think about Vincent Law after I have read Amos Yee's super long attack on him - allow me to talk about Vincent for a change this time. Despite the fact that Vincent probably came across as an overbearing and ineffective counselor, most of us are still forgiving of this because we can appreciate the fact that he was trying to help Amos at the end of the day. It was pretty clear that Amos has no respect whatsoever for his parents and they have zero influence over him - so it is not just Amos that Vincent was trying to help, Vincent was also trying to help Mr and Mrs Yee. One can only imagine just how frustrated they may be - yes they may not have been good parents thus far (the evidence is clear), but anyone with some compassion must be able to feel sorry for them. The rest of the world (including Vincent Law) can just keep our distance from Amos now - Mr and Mrs Yee can't just walk away from Amos regardless of how ridiculous his behaviour may be (well, not until Amos turned 18 anyway).
Are you confused by the motivations of Amos and Vincent?

Now Vincent Law is a youth counselor by trade and it is his job to deal with teenage delinquents who need guidance - people like him perform a noble and valuable task especially when parents fail to discipline their own kids. When teenagers and youth people start to fall off the fringes of society, there are two approaches: you can either try to show compassion and give them the help they need to get their lives back on track, or you can ignore them until they become criminals, then you will deal with them through the criminal justice system. Hence people like Vincent represent the compassionate solution and it is certainly not an enviable task, not one that I can perform, ever. Thus regardless of his motivations, I salute Vincent Law for trying to help.

Now this is were I part company with Vincent - he is keen to bring his religion into his work and as a secularist, that makes me feel extremely uneasy and I must voice my disapproval. By all means, offer these young people the kind of guidance they so badly need, but surely religion should be a very personal choice whether or not you subscribe to a certain set of religious doctrine. To target vulnerable, confused, troubled young people like that with your religion seems unethical - after all, let's draw a list of priorities for someone like Amos Yee at the moment. If you wanted to help him, let's deal with his relationship with authority to begin with; trying to imagine that someone Christianity can somehow magically solve his problems is just unrealistic at best (if not downright delusional). Even if Vincent Law is very motivated by his faith, he should not prescribe his religion as part of the solution for it simply does not work.
Vincent bit off more than he could chew with Amos.

So why did Vincent try to take on this case then? Well, it is the same reason why some mountaineers want to climb Mt Everest, They like the challenge - yes they could easily climb less challenging mountains but they are instantly drawn to Mt Everest because it is the highest mountain in the world. It appeals to their sense of bravado to take on the most difficult challenge and they want to be able to say to their peers, "I conquer Everest, you didn't. I'm better than you." Have a look at the video below - it is about the two Americans rock climbers who conquered what is considered the most difficult rock face to climb: El Capitan in Yosemite National Park. They were not satisfied with what their local rock climbing center had to offer and had to outdo all the other rock climbers in the world by tackling what was considered impossible and being the first in the world to be able to say, "Hey everybody, I climbed that sheer rock face!"
So by the same token, Vincent Law wanted to counsel Amos Yee - it would be the equivalent of climbing the El Capitan sheer rock face for a youth counselor. But clearly, Vincent was unaware of the challenge that lay before him and he failed. Amos Yee is not your average troubled teen - oh no, where do I even begin? Amos has no respect for any concept of authority: he has no respect for the government, he doesn't care about the rule of law in Singapore and doesn't mind going to jail to prove his point. He certainly doesn't have any respect whatsoever for his parents and despite his age, he is very keen to be treated like an adult, rather than a child. Certainly, if you want to be able to counsel someone like Amos, you would have to start by winning his respect - but if you simply impose yourself on him by becoming his bailor, then that is simply not going to work.

The problem with Amos Yee is that he clearly thinks that he is smarter than everyone else around him and if I may be perfectly honest, I can totally relate to that growing up in Singapore. But I was also smart enough to realize that there were other wiser people in the world, the fact that I was not surrounded by them as a teenager growing up in Singapore merely meant that I had to go to one of the world's best universities and then get a job where I can work for some of incredibly intelligent people.  And sure enough, I found what I was looking for in university as well as in the working world. But no, Amos is choosing to turn against those around him - against people like Vincent Law (who may not be his intellectual equal) and even in his own parents. Surely that is no justification for the kind of attack he launched on Vincent Law's character or on his own father (Amos has made allegations of physical abuse at home) - anyone who gets close to Amos gets attacked. Someone needs to point this kid in the right direction, but he just won't listen to anyone at this stage and the worst part is that he doesn't even believe that he needs to accept anyone's help.
Amos is going on a path of self-destruction.

Vincent's only crime was to bite off more than he could chew by taking on Amos' case: it was the equivalent on an over ambitious rock climber tackling El Capitan in Yosemite National Park and then having a really bad fall halfway up the rock face. In hindsight, Vincent should have had the humility to call it quits and say, "I am clearly out of my depth. I could get hurt here." Not only did Vincent fail to help Amos, but Amos didn't hesitate to bite the hand that fed. I'm afraid that doesn't paint a very flattering picture of Vincent as a counselor - when you are out of your depth, the sensible thing to do is to reevaluate the situation, change your strategy and either give up or call for help. The same way a rock climber needs to know when to turn back - you do not keep climbing until you fall off. Surely Vincent Law should know by now that his only option is to walk away, cut his losses and admit defeat. In hindsight, it does appear that Vincent Law was foolhardy in refusing to admit defeat, but does he deserve to suffer the brunt of Amos' wickedness? No.
What will Amos be punished for?

I have been asked about Amos' point about Law that Law threatened to use the very same laws that he wanted to protect Amos from in the first place by volunteering to be his bailor. Well I think you're confusing two different issues altogether: like many, I believed that Amos ought not be arrested and punished for his Youtube videos, I believe that anyone should have the right to make a video like that about the legacy of Lee Kuan Yew and if you don't like what Amos Yee said, then you can either respond or ignore him - but don't demand that Amos Yee should be arrested. However, what Amos did to Vincent is slander: now that's quite a different matter compared to expressing one's political opinion. What Amos Yee expressed about LKY was a scathing critic of his legacy, but what he claimed about being molested by Vincent Law was carefully designed to give the public that Vincent Law was a sexual predator: it was a wicked and deliberate attempt to punish Vincent Law and for that, I would very much like to see Amos sent to jail for a very, very long time. He definitely deserves it now.

Here's the thing:  I recognize that Vincent's approach to counseling Amos was unorthodox and ineffective, but at the end of the day, that was ultimately a private matter between the two of them. Private disputes should really be resolved in private - there was really no justification for Amos to broadcast the details to the world and make it a public matter. If there was a criminal offence committed, then that should be a matter for the police to investigate; but Vincent didn't commit any crime - he had a dispute with Amos, but the only criminal element was Amos' act of slander. What Amos doesn't realize is that the vast majority of people are not going to sympathetic to his case after the way he has behaved. Okay, so Amos has successfully convinced me that Vincent Law is probably not a particularly good youth counselor - big deal, but what price is Amos paying to make that point to the world, in light of the fact that he is about to be sentenced on the 2nd June? Has he actually forgotten about that?  He is paying a very high price to hurt Vincent, that is way too high a price to pay in light of his current circumstances (as if he is not in enough trouble already).
Why is Amos drawing attention to himself online like this?

Allow me to present a case study: meet Chris Huhne (a British ex-politician) and his ex-wife Vicky Pryce. Back in Huhne had persuaded Pryce to accept three penalty points which he had allegedly incurred while driving from London Stansted Airport to London on the evening of 12 March 2003. As a politician, he had wanted to appear blameless and thought nothing of getting his then wife Pryce to take the points on his behalf. After their marriage broke down acrimoniously, Pryce went public about the incident because she wanted to destroy Huhne's career and reputation. An investigation and a long trial followed and ultimately, both Huhne and Pryce were sentenced to 8 months jail for the offence as the jury rejected a plea by Pryce that she was coerced into it. Pryce paid a very high price in her bid to harm her ex-husband: she had to spend as much time in jail as he did. Yes she succeeded in hurting him, but she hurt herself as much in the process. In hindsight, had she known that she had as much to lose as he did, she probably would not have gone public about what happened in 2003. She has grossly misjudged the situation and had made a huge mistake, which she had plenty of time in jail to think about. Her plan backfired.
Like Pryce, Amos may think that he is getting his revenge on the person he hates - but is his plan foolproof or is it going to backfire the same way it did for Pryce? I am not convinced that Amos knows what he is doing, this squabble, this dispute and quarrel with Vincent is probably the last thing he needs right now. He is likely to get a harsher sentence as a result of this, he has alienated himself from the very few supporters he has left and more importantly, after this episode, would anyone dare to try to help him? No way. And if this 16 year old kid thinks he can get through life without the help of older and more experienced adults like Vincent Law, then I pity the fool. Amos has inflicted far more harm on himself that he ever will on Vincent - Amos doesn't need enemies at this rate: he is doing a pretty good job at getting himself into trouble. He is his own worst enemy.

As usual, please let me know what you think about the issue, leave a comment below. Many thanks for reading.

24 comments:

  1. Basically, no matter how imposing Vincent Law was about religion or good citizenship, Amos had no right to slander Vincent in such a wicked up way. Amos committed a crime, and he ought to pay the price.

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  2. Perhaps it's time to stop blogging about Amos and stop giving him any more attention. I already doubting his intelligence as a person and his ability to make rational decisions. Even Alvin Tan kept his views about Islam to himself until he escape to America and was able to adapt to the situation at hand.

    There is actually nothing wrong in sucking up to people or being conformist. We all have to do that to get on in life and Amos needs to understand that. It is just human nature to try to avoid conflict if we don't find the conflict to be beneficial to both sides.

    I think the best option is to send Amos to NS and let him give him a good does of society medicine.

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    1. Yeah I know, I know, but this is how I pick topics to blog about - I scroll through my social media feeds and see what people are talking about and sure enough, people are talking about Amos still. People have stopped talking about say, Gushcloud vs Xiaxue - that was a hot topic a few months ago, now it's still all about Famous Amos.

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  3. I've always felt that Amos Yee is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder but his supporters have always been quick to criticise any attempt to label him with any mental disorders. Many have heralded him as a beacon of free speech, yet few have bothered reading what he has written or seen the videos he's made.I recommend reading his earlier entries and watching his videos to get a sense of the real Amos - an anti-authority narcissist who is filled with hatred and despises everyone around him. Of course, the entire conflict with Vincent only serves to show that he lacks empathy and is a pretty huge arsehole. I also think that he is a fool because he has no idea what the endgame is. Arresting him was a huge blunder on PAP's part but it's pretty obvious that the authorities are trying to let him get off lightly. In life, we learn to negotiate because we don't always get everything we want but Amos is too dense to see that. Chances are he will end up in RTC and having worked with at-risk youth who do end up there, Amos is going to have a rude awakening.

    There is a silver lining in every cloud though. Amos will probably be posted classified as a PES C or E NSF for his national service because seriously, would you trust him with a gun?

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    1. I will answer that last question you asked in my next post!

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  4. Sadly,Amos is still woefully unrepentant and did not take Vincent's advice or yours (thru your open letter to Amos).
    It looks more likely than ever that he has Aspegers/Autism or as Ken mentioned narcissistic personality disorder.
    However,there is also another factor that should be considered.The possiblity of Amos being a sacrificial pawn for the SDP's master plan.
    (Link: http://sggeneralelections2016.blogspot.sg/2015/04/amos-yee-youtube-rant-LKY.html)
    It could not just be a mere coincidence that Amos met with 2 senior SDP members a couple of days before the video was being posted on Youtube.To blindly consult the SDP for advice and ignoring the advice from Vincent & even his parents is no different from the thousands of CHC churchgoers having faith in "Pastor" Kong Hee and his team.
    I recall one of my Christian friends claiming that "Pastor" Kong Hee once said at a church service to his congregation to I quote "give unto God until your heart bleeds" which allegedly allows him to get away with financial fraud.
    (Apologies for digressing and FYI I am not a SDP or CHC basher.I just wanted to point out the similarities between the two when it comes to manipulation.)
    Now that Amos has slandered Vincent and even boldly taunting the press,the judge would probably met out a harsher sentence for Amos.
    My advice to Amos is to stop blindly following the SDP,assess the gravity of the situation he is in currently & cut his losses for a lighter sentence.But now I seriously doubt that he would follow my advice.

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    1. Actually I am amazed that Amos would take advice from 2 senior SDP members - I had thought Amos felt so confident about his actions, that he thought that he was smarter than everyone around him and the very act of him seeking advice from anyone at all, to me, is a surprise.

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    2. It is the same technique you apply to get an egoistic boss to take your advise. Appeal to his ego give the advise as a plea for help of discussion points and he will think it is his own idea.

      Best part is that if it goes tits up the glory hound will deny it failed because it is his idea how could it fail?

      If it makes him look retarded he will go I was pretending to be retarded

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    3. Until we are privy to what was discussed between Amos and the two SDP members, all we can infer is that neither his parents nor Vincent Law had earned sufficient respect from the boy for him to put his faith on their advice. Based on Amos' personality, I seriously doubt he would also blindly accept the advice from the two SDP members. Perhaps we can say that Law was not a very effective counsellor and that when he failed to get through to Amos, he resorted to gospel or bailor withdrawal threat - this is akin to an angry parent smacking the child to shut him/her up when they do not know how to reason or respond to the child's questions / behaviour and took the easy way out.

      Although Law may come across as an ineffective counsellor who had not earned the trust and respect of Amos, it is still fundamentally wrong of Amos to make false accusations against Law, which in his own suggestion, was an attempt to "troll the mainstream media". The video hurt no one but slander against Law certainly did. This is inexcusable.

      Which is really a pity as this episode has totally distracted everyone from examining the constitutional implications of the state laying charges against Amos in the first instance. Now that Amos has portrayed himself as such a distasteful character, it is going to take a gigantic effort to defend his rights and critique the state and people who had behaved badly against him in the first place. His latest stink certainly will not do him any good when sentencing comes on 2 June. Surely he must realise that he has basically done himself nothing good?

      Looking at the wider scheme of things, we keep seeing the state reverting to the old rhetoric that religion is a sensitive issue, thus we must not critique religion so as not to cause offense. From numerous examples - Charlie Hebdo, Ananta Bijoy Das, Ahmed Rajib Haider, Avijit Roy to name a couple - we can see that it is the religiously offended who think it entirely justified to physically attack their critics in the name of religious sensitivity. Is the threat really the critics or those who will not hesitate to use religion as a means to physically maim or kill their critics? Even if violence did not occur like in Singapore, it is almost always the religious who demand that state power be deployed to silence their critics / the proponents, not the other way around - just think of the whole S377A saga. In Amos Yee's case, the state by choosing to use the case of offending the religious feelings of christians, is once again lending its power to suggest endorsement of religion’s claims to greater legitimacy and superior standing over their critics. Amos Yee with his latest antics simply just makes it more difficult for even the previously sympathetic, to isolate the principles from the character involved.

      Minus the slanderous statement from Amos, when we use religious sensitivity as the reason for applying criminal law to critics, minds close. Lazy minds now can lay claim that whatever upsets the self-appointed representative of popular opinion is considered a crime or is obscene. How different then is this from the Charlie Hebdo extremists and the Taliban?

      And in Amos Yee's case, his reaction has made it harder for even the discerning to start considering the wider scheme of things and I suspect that many of the previously sympathetic will now be looking at him as persona non grata now. Talk about hurt someone, gain no benefits to self.

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    4. John L. Tan, Vice-Chairman of SDP, was extremely vocal in his support of Amos and using Amos' situation to criticize the PAP. His FaceBook postings reflect that. Most of his FB friends were Amos' supporters, and they were similarly vocal. Then the molestation allegations came out, along with Amos' true colors. All of them went silent. Those that mocked and ridiculed the media for covering Amos were similarly mocked and ridiculed by Amos himself. Amos also treated his supporters likewise. I admit that by following the story I was a fool along with them. But how many of them are willing to admit they were taken for a ride?

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  5. Well Amos Yee better learn how to keep his mouth shut when he enter NS.

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    1. Check out my latest post when I talk about that very issue! :)

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  6. Thanks for answering my question!

    Now my only wonder is why exactly Law decided to retract his threat to sue for defamation. Is it because of Amos' "expose", or because he genuinely didn't want to pursue the matter further --- sick of all the media attention he and Amos have been receiving.

    And according to Amos' recent postings, apparently Law told Amos' mother that he needs to be sent for psychiatric treatment. I wonder if he recommends that to all the parents whose kids he has failed to counsel. But I suppose not, since Law was acting in the capacity of a bailor not a counsellor.

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  7. As a christian i would say that if what.amos wrote in his blog was true then vincent acted in a most underhanded manner. He was basically using his position as bailor to coerce amos nto listenibg to him preach and discuss religion with him. I was born into non religious family and accepted Jesus Christ in my late 20s. I remembered some christians who evangelised me just did not respect the fact i had already heard of the Gospel and just was not interested at that time. From a christian pov, we are told in the bible not to " beg" scornful hardened rejectors of christ to believe. Do not give to dogs what is holy and throw your pearls before swine leat they trample them and tear you into pieces.
    Jesus also said no one can come to me unless the Father draws him. And also : out of the wellspring of the heart the mouth speaks.
    Amos said Jesus was malicious and deceptive so how could God be drawing to Jesus. In the bible Jesus never withheld healing and asked that people to becone His disciples first.
    Vincent should have just left amos alone when amos apparently him he did not want to mert daily.

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  8. Did you get a chance to see the bail terms? TOC has it on its Fb page

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  9. "I recognize that Vincent's approach to counseling Amos was unorthodox and ineffective, but at the end of the day, that was ultimately a private matter between the two of them."

    Vincent is a family & youth counselor. When he took on the case he had no intention of being merely a bailor, declaring to the press that he hoped Amos would be willing to be counseled by him. When someone holds a position of trust, he must in turn be held accountable.

    If Vincent is not only ineffective but even damaging as a counselor, then Amos is right to expose him. And give the kid credit here ... with the majority of opinion already against him, it takes courage (even if blind) to blow the whistle.

    The extent and manner in which Amos went about exposing Vincent is a separate and debatable issue.


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    1. Hi Blue Willow,

      I have had a long running disagreement with my neighbour - but I do not see the point in 'naming & shaming' him on social media, if necessary, I would involve the law or sue him if the situation gets any worse, but simply 'naming & shaming' someone like that does not bring one any closer to resolving the situation. In Amos Yee's case, it may just lead to Vincent Law suing the Yee family for libel and slander given the way Amos went about it - oh guess who will end up paying the ultimate price? It will be his parents, not Amos as he has no personal funds even if he kena sued. Vincent may have been a crap counselor (I don't doubt that - he dragged his religion into his work and crossed the line there) but Amos was not co-operative to begin with: fault lay with both parties. That is why it is not a simple matter of Vincent Law damaging Amos with his poor counseling methods - the bigger issue is the method that Amos Yee continues to insinuate the Vincent Law molested him.

      Vincent Law may have been a terrible, lousy counselor - but he is by no means a sexual predator and in trying to paint that image to the public, Amos Yee deserves to be punished by the law and jailed for that.

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    2. Blue Willow, I shall say this again. Amos Yee may think that Vincent Law is a terrible counsellor. Distasteful as his counselling methods are, it still does not give Amos the right to make insinuations that Law molested him - something which Amos retracted, apologised and admitted was not true. Now this false accusation of molest is the specific issue I have.

      Alex, I will say that a more appropriate analogy will be you had a long running disagreement with your neighbour and you retaliated by saying he is a bad neighbour on facebook and also made accusations that he molested children. I happened to think Law had crossed the line in his counselling methods by bringing in his personal religious convictions - thus my agreement that he made a bad counsellor. That does not however give Amos an excuse to accuse him of molest when it was unfounded. Similarly, Alex wouldn't go public making false accusations that his neighbour committed paedophillic crimes just because he has issues with him / her.

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    3. Very well explained Shane. Yes my neighbour is a reasonable person most of the time, but sometimes when he gets drunk and has guests around, he makes noise or he allows his guests to make noise and that disturbs the other neighbours in the block and I would always confront him about it when it happens (fortunately, it is not often, I say it has occurred twice in the last 6 months) and it is a situation I am dealing with, I am making him understand that it is his responsibility to make sure he doesn't disturb others in the block the same way it is my responsibility that I do not wake him up at 3 am in the morning should I decide to stay up.

      Accusing him of molesting children to get him to change his behaviour would be a ridiculous response to this kind of situation: but that is exactly what Amos did. Even if Law was a lousy counsellor, he certainly did not molest Amos - which is what Amos continues to imply.

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  10. Amos is not about freedom of speech at all from the beginning.

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  11. I told my mum that amos yee could seek political asylum, and I read about your convo with Alvin tan and I agree wholeheartedly about that matter! People who want to get out of Singapore should just quietly migrate....wish I could as well....except that I don't have the skills or qualifications (yet)....but if I were caught in his situation, I would seek political asylum. I am 4 years older than him, which makes it easier, however, my parents would prefer me to stay in Singapore. convincing them that I want to do a volunteer programme in Poland with angloville is so hard....
    Sigh, I think his parents may be the kind of parents with conventional mindsets and thinking, and he might be stuck in Singapore for a very long time.

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    1. Actually, I am now convinced that Amos will not seek political asylum. He is spouting so much shit on social media everyday now and I think he is basking in the limelight - he is so ridiculously eager to have the attention of people that he will gladly go to jail and then gain a certain notoriety in Singapore. If he were to say, be transplanted to a country like Sweden or Germany - people would ignore him as he would scream and shout in English and that's not the main language used in social media in those countries. Even if he was in the UK or Canada, he would just be another angry person on the internet and we have so much freedom of speech here so what he said wouldn't be controversial here and he would mostly be ignored - that would be the last thing he wants.

      I wanted to leave Singapore and I left quietly. But mind you, I left when I was old enough and I just did whatever I wanted to do as an adult. Yuko... here's the thing. As a teenager, you have to ask your parents' permission to go to the movies, to buy a new pair of shoes, to hang out with your friends - everything is dependent on your parents saying, "yes you may do that." But when you become an adult, you stop having to ask your parents - you simply take responsibility for your actions as an adult: you manage your own finances, you find your own job, you solve your own problems and when the time came for me to leave Singapore, I did so as an adult and of course my parents were not happy about my decision, but tough - I was no longer a child, I was an adult and I didn't need their permission or approval. Sounds like you're still young Yuko... one day you will wake up and realize, hey I am no longer a kid, I am an adult.

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  12. 4 weeks jail sentence which he already served, hope he learns his lesson

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    1. Well whilst I am glad that Amos is now free, I wonder what the long term implications are - is this just simply a case of making an example of Amos so no one else will dare to speak up in the future? Or has he at least sparked a debate about the freedom of speech that will continue after today?

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