What are the responsibilities of a parent? |
YES his parents are to be blamed.
Parents have certain responsibilities: as an adult, when you choose to have a child, you have to assume responsibility for the child until that child becomes an adult. That is the deal and that is a somewhat scary aspect of parenthood. Of course most parents try their very best to nurture their children but when you get a child like Amos Yee, what do you do? You really just have to make the best of a very difficult situation and get whatever external help you need to try to cope with the situation. But at the end of the day, until the child becomes an adult, the buck still stops with the parents regardless of how challenging the behaviour of the child may be. That is the inconvenient truth for Mr and Mrs Yee.
Amos Yee didn't just wake up one morning and decided, "I am going to get myself into big trouble by making the most controversial Youtube video in the history of Singapore". The Amos Yee that you saw in the video was many years in the making - if his parents had taken any notice of his previous Youtube videos, then they would have seen that coming, especially when he had decided to drop out of school. The fact that his mother went as far as to lodge a police report against her own son shows that she has effectively given up as a mother to try to exert any influence on her son - she declared that her son was "beyond control". Really, what did Mrs Yee expect the police to do on her behalf?
Mrs Yee had no control over her son. |
Many Singaporeans on social media are barking up the wrong tree when they suggest that a bit of hard love would straighten Amos Yee out - their suggestions range from caning Amos to jailing Amos to taking away Amos' phone and computer. Pardon me for being cynical - it's not that I am averse to drastic measures (hey, drastic times call for drastic measures), but rather, the issue here is whether or not punishing Amos at this stage would really achieve anything. Rather, any kind of punishment now is simply trying to shut the stable doors long after the horse has bolted - it would only appease the haters who want to see Amos Yee suffer for insulting LKY, but in terms of rehabilitating a troubled teenager, it would achieve little. Amos Yee needs help and we should show compassion.
If his parents were really interested in helping Amos, they could have at least put themselves in a position where they were able to influence his behaviour. No amount of harsh punishments would do any good if your child simply does not respect your opinion - parents have to accept that when their children turn into teenagers, not only are they becoming increasing intelligent, they are also subjected to a range of influences from media and parents are competing very hard with all these different sources to win not just the respect but the attention of their teenagers. This is where Asian parents go horribly wrong - there is this assumption that you simply must respect your parents: no ifs, no buts, no negotiations, no questions. Thus Asian parents just assume that they have the respect of their children and their children will actually listen to them - that is hardly the case in the real world, as demonstrated by Amos Yee.
Do you blame Amos Yee's parents? |
In this case, I sympathize with Amos Yee as I have parents who made zero effort to try to get to know me as a teenager. I had extremely traditional Asian parents who simply assumed that I would do as I was told and offer them unconditional respect. That began to fall apart pretty early in my teenage years actually - the irony of course, is that my Asian parents had placed so much emphasis on me achieving good grades and bludgeoning me through the education system, I soon realized that my mother couldn't get her head around the secondary one syllabus. If she had been a good parent, she would have taught me never to judge a person why their ability to answer questions in an exam - but she was an Asian parent and she taught me that my self-worth was deemed by my exam results, so what kind of position did she put herself in when she couldn't even understand my secondary one homework? She had created a framework of judgement which would deem her a stupid and useless person in her world.
When I was in primary school, if I didn't know the answers to a maths question, she would hit me and call me stupid. So when the tables were turned, when I went to her with a maths question when I was in secondary school and she couldn't answer, what was I to make of my mother who told me that people who couldn't do their maths homework were stupid and deserved to be beaten? I don't even think she realized how she had set herself up to fail but I certainly did. Of course, I didn't call her stupid - I was more tactful than that. I spared her feelings but I then began to seek advice and inspiration from my role models whom I knew were extremely intelligent people who had achieved great things. My mother had totally failed to establish herself in a position where I could take her seriously and that, dear readers, was entirely her fault and down to her poor parenting skills. I blame her for making very poor choices as a parent the same way I feel that Mr and Mrs Yee had made some very poor choices when it came to parenting.
My mother placed too much emphasis on academic performance. |
I don't know what happened in the Yee family when Amos was a young child, but the fact that they are not in a position to exert any kind of influence over Amos today meant that the problem started many, many years ago. Perhaps you can call me liberal in my approach, but I do believe that old fashioned methods of Asian parenting simply do not work in this day and age. A much greater effort mus be made by parents to understand the kind of social media that is such a big part of their children's lives. In my days, it was a lot simpler as we were all passive consumers of media: I watched movies and TV programmes, I read books, magazines and newspaper. But in the age of the internet, hardly anyone is a passive consumer: even if you have something like a Twitter or Facebook account, you are already pumping content onto the internet that could get you into trouble.
Thus in the case of Amos Yee, he had crossed over from being a passive consumer to an active contributor to social media at a much younger age than most Singaporean teenagers. Were his parents keeping a close eye on his activities on social media or were they simply looking the other way, too busy with their own lives to take an interest? Did they realize the challenge that lay before them or were they totally oblivious? I think that they could have made a far greater effort to try to challenge his creative energy in a far more constructive and positive direction but clearly, they had failed to do that. I think I know where the problem lies with his parents. Amos Yee's mother is a teacher - I don't know what kind of job his father has, but allow me to speak as someone whose parents were teachers.
Did Amos Yee's parents monitor his social media activities? |
Being teachers meant that my parents spent the majority of their working lives in the safe environment of the school, that left them really quite ignorant of the outside world. Furthermore, they actually believed that education (or more precisely, the actual act of studying) would solve any problems a child was facing. My parents were so obsessed with getting me to study that they forgot the purpose of my education altogether: after all, if I was sitting down in my room, reading a book or doing my homework, then they knew that I was not outside, hanging around with the wrong crowd, taking drugs or getting into trouble. This then develops into rituals where Asian parents convince themselves that the act of studying will actually protect their child from any kind of social ills - that couldn't be further from the truth. Asian parents are often guilty of making such dumb assumptions.
Many children have the desire to crave approval from their parents and parents have a fine balancing act to use this approval to control their children. I am going to use the example of my own parents to show how clueless Asian parents can fuck this up so badly and get it so wrong when it comes to parenting 101. Now my own parents made it a point never ever to praise me - despite being a triple scholar, national champion gymnast and winning more awards than I can list - they made it a point never to a single kind word to me because they were convinced that any form of praise would poison my mind: it would turn me lazy and complacent, thus they went out of their way to do the complete opposite and kept putting me down, so that I would always feel that I had to work harder to achieve more. Did it work? Of course it didn't - some point in my teenage years, I just thought, you guys are never going to give me any approval no matter what I do and I no longer give a shit if I get your approval or not. I'm just gonna do what I do and not give a fuck whether you're happy or not, I'm going to be an adult and I don't need your approval. It was just a complete coincidence that I happened to do quite well in life; but that was in spite of (rather than because of) my parents.
Children naturally seek the approval of their parents. |
When my parents became grandparents, they went to the complete opposite extreme with my nephew - because he is autistic, my parents go out of their way to praise him for every single little thing that he does. The result is that their praise has no effect whatsoever on my nephew - he is just so used to hearing his grandparents heap praise on him for everything that he does. I just roll my eyes each time I hear my parents heap more praises on my nephew - for example, they would promise to buy him a new toy if he does well for his exams; but we all know that even if my nephew fails those exams, my parents would never say no to their only grandson and still buy him that toy anyway. By that token, their approval is offered unconditionally and thus they have no power to use their approval to control my nephew's behaviour. In contrast, I knew I was not going to get their approval no matter what I did, so I no longer craved it - thus they also had no power to use their approval to control my behaviour either.
It is a balancing act to offer just the right amount of approval in order for parents to exert maximum control over their children's behaviour. There is no simple one-size-fits-all approach as each child is unique and different, thus it is up to parents to get to know their children well enough to know when to offer praise and when to withhold approval in order to wield the greatest amount of influence over their children, in order to continue being able to guide them through their difficult teenage years. In Amos Yee's case, it is clear that Amos was far more interested in getting more hits on Youtube than any kind of approval that he may get from his parents if he obeyed them. What went wrong then? Did they offer too much approval when he was younger as he became a child actor? Or did they offer too little approval when Amos was younger, thus forcing him to seek it online, through Youtube and other social media platforms.
Limpeh is on Youtube too like so many people. |
NO his parents are not to be blamed.
I struggled quite hard to find ways to defend Amos Yee's parents and I think I did find one angle. I was quite surprised to learn that Amos was a student at Zhonghua secondary school. What I am about to say is going to be very un-PC and may offend some readers, but so be it. Zhonghua isn't what you would consider a particularly good secondary school in Singapore, it tends not to attract the smartest students who have good PSLE results. Nonetheless, one can only assume that Amos didn't do particularly well in his PSLE for some reason and thus Zhonghua was the best school that he could have gotten into with his grades.
The classic Singaporean solution to people who find themselves in this situation is to simply redeem themselves by studying really hard, doing really well at the O level exams and then moving on to a better school to do their A levels. But what about students who are not interested in proving themselves by studying to pass an exam - are there any other ways that Singaporean society can offer these young people to prove their worth? There isn't - and therein lies a fault with the system: it offers very little alternative for students who do not conform and fit the mould of your typical Singaporean student. Hence Amos became totally disenfranchised with the system because of his very poor experience at school which failed to nurture him intellectually, giving him the guidance that he really needed.
By that token, is it fair to then put the onus on Mr and Mrs Yee to undo the damage that had been inflicted on their son by the Singaporean education system? Is it possible to take a more sympathetic stance with Mr and Mrs Yee? After all, I think it is wholly possible that the four years at Zhonghua secondary school did Amos Yee a lot of harm (as evident from his post which you can read here), it could have been that very negative experience that turned Amos Yee into the person he is today, rather than because of his parents' poor parenting techniques.After all, what was Mr and Mrs Yee supposed to do when they found out that their bright son was to spend the next four years in a secondary school like Zhonghua? If money wasn't an issue, they really should have sent Amos to boarding school in the UK so he could have received a better education. That would have been an extremely expensive route to take and perhaps Mr and Mrs Yee simply didn't have that kind of money.
Such is the unforgiving, harsh nature of the Singaporean education system. If Amos had done well enough in his PSLE to get into one of the top secondary schools in Singapore, then he would have been in an environment where he would be surrounded by equally intelligent students. He would have been challenged and stretched intellectually and who knows - he may have been a humanities scholar today, setting his eyes on Oxford or Cambridge. Such options would certainly have not been offered to the top students at Zhonghua who would have been expected to dedicate their four years at secondary school to redeeming themselves from their below-average or mediocre PSLE results. Thus I wonder what kind of teachers Amos Yee had at Zhonghua and if they had contributed to alienating him further from society, instead of trying to engage his mind. Amos has paid a very high price for performing badly for his PSLE.
Has Amos been failed by the Singaporean education system? |
At the end of the day, I tend to agree with Gurmit Singh and Quan Yifeng: unfortunately, the majority of the blame should still be placed on Amos Yee's parents. I do believe that the education system has also let Amos Yee down and much more could have been done by Amos Yee's teachers at Zhonghua to try to pull him back from the brink of self destruction. The only part that I disagree with Quan Yifeng was about Amos having an 'illness' - I don't think that's the right word to describe Amos Yee's condition. Certainly, he has some mental health issues - he clearly lacks the ability to create a network of friends and he spent his time at Zhonghua very much isolated and without friends. He displays signs of autism and probably has Asperger syndrome. It surprises me that it has gone undetected thus far, did it not occur to his parents that their son might be autistic? Ms Quan means well - but even if you put Amos in touch with the best specialists in Singapore today, any kind of treatment for autism and Asperger syndrome is a process that takes many years - there is not simple cure, only therapies and treatments that take several years.
So that's it from me on this issue. Please feel free to use the comments section below to let me know your thoughts on the issue. Do you blame Mr and Mrs Yee for the mistakes that Amos Yee has made? Or do you think there were other factors such as the education system that contributed to Amos Yee's downfall? Or do you think it can be fair to blame Amos himself for his mistakes, even if he is still a teenager who has yet to even turn 17? Many thanks for reading.
Right on, Alex. I blame the parents most. As I have mentioned before, it is exhausting raising a child. Amos' behaviour had been brewing for years. His disability to read social cues must have caught his parents' attention. I, too, have wondered whether he is on the autism spectrum. I highly suspect he has Asperger's. Even though what he had done should not involve the police or the judicial system, he made a foolish choice when he made the video. It was foolish because he should know that such behaviour in Singapore would land him in trouble. His parents should have known their son held such views about LKY. They should have discussed with him these views. I would have applauded him for making valid points. Then I would have advised him when and where to make such declarations. Certainly not on youtube! Rather than shutting his ideas down, I would validate them. Even if I did not agree because I happened to be a PAP supporter, I would still hold meaningful debates with him. I would give him the attention he craved.
ReplyDeleteI would say both Amos' parents and society failed him. Book smart children get rewarded by going to top schools where they are challenged and stimulated. Not so smart children or children with different types of intelligence such as Amos get to rot in purgatory. Amos' parents could have found his strengths and enriched his life by providing opportunities for him to shine. Yet, are there affordable programs in Singapore outside of school that can provide Amos these opportunities? I don't know because I have been away for so long. There was nothing outside of school where children could enrol for activities they enjoyed. Yes, there were swimming lessons that my rich friends took, as well as piano lessons. Other than that, little else. Is it still the same? Do parents pretty much have to depend on schools to provide stimulation?
I am so glad I am not raising my son in Singapore. I actually feel sorry for Amos.
Aha, let me share some inside info with you Di darling.
DeleteI have a friend who knows Amos Yee and he knew that Amos Yee was planning something. Weeks before the LKY video, Amos was on social media, he was asking his friends for stories about LKY, approaching various parties who may have anything useful to help him script this video. He was looking for dirt on LKY and the PAP. My friend already could sense that Amos was about to cross the line and told Amos something tantamount to, "don't even go there, I know you're going to go there and I am asking you not to because you're going to get into so much trouble." Amos didn't listen to my friend, plain blocked him out. He wasn't interested in hearing advice that was contrary to what he was trying to achieve. My friend knew that there was little or nothing he could do, so he just stood back and watched the events unfold.
I am wondering if my friend knew more than Amos Yee's parents about what he was getting up to? Certainly, if my friend had gone to Mr & Mrs Yee and told them, I am wondering what else they could have done to stop Amos?
As for relying on schools to provide stimulation, I think the problem is that the kids are expected to do so much at school already that Singaporean parents often feel that there is no time for activities like sports or music to provide stimulation. Trust me, I fought tooth and nail with my parents to do things my way and my parents effectively lost control of me in my teenage years the way Mrs Yee declared she had no control over her son. It's just a blooming miracle that I turned out okay.
A very well written insight on the recent case of Amos Yee. But there are some points that I disagree. Zhonghua Sec might not be in the top tier like the Raffles or Hwa Chong, but it's definitely not a lousy school. Incidentally, Li Yi Peng, the eldest son of PM Lee is from Zhonghua Sec. PM Lee even spoke at Zonghua Sec 100th year anniversary gala. As you know, Li Yi Peng has Asperger's syndrome and is an albino. He was rejected by many Sec schools before he was accepted by Zhonghua Sec. Despite his shyness and half blindness, Li Yi Peng did well enough to get into Nanyang JC, and later NUS.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I read an old article written by Amos Yee describing his life in Zhonghua. In my opinion, Amos Yee is bright, eloquent and he writes well, but he thinks all his teachers are either stupid or too authoritative, and he has a hard time relating to his peers.
Are his parents (and teachers) responsible for his state? Yes and no.
Yes, because they are his immediate support and should have recognized his state of mind earlier. In fact, a few years back, in a video interview by RazorTV (he had won some amateur video award), Amos Yee revealed that his teachers punished him for his racists videos. But that must have made him dislike his teachers and resent authority even more. So you may say they didn't use the right approach or try to understand where he is coming from.
No, because ultimately, we are all responsible for ourselves. He is now 17, but at 27, 37, 47, will people still think that he is a result of bad upbringing or mediocre education? If so, how about those children in the US with drug addicted parents, or abused children or children who grew up in violent neighborhoods? Even in Singapore, I know people who were from ITE (then went on to study in SIM) or from Polytechnics that are doing well in banking or real estate. So I think no matter what the education level is, the drive and desire to succeed is equally, if not more important in order to succeed in life.
I agree that Singapore education system is not perfect, with too much emphasis on exam results. However, we cannot entirely blame the parents or education system for all troubled children. For Amos Yee's "punishment", I hope it's something fitting to his "crime", like making him join a voluntary group building houses for poor villages. If his parents and the education system has failed him, I hope the justice system won't.
Hi Julie and thanks so much for your insightful comment.
DeletePerhaps I am a bit harsh in my judgement on Zhonghua. Yes admittedly it is not one of the top tier schools - I'm thinking of the usual names like RI, Chinese High, ACS, VS, Dunman, all the SAP schools like St Nicholas, SCGS included etc. And yes by that token, I am guilty of judging an individual by his/her PSLE results. And of course, that's not fair. But sorry, that's the way I was brought up and my parents drilled into my head that if I did not ace my PSLE then my life was not worth living - it's hard to get that mindset outta my head even at this stage, but you're right. I should and thanks for pointing that out to me.
I am perhaps also influenced by the way that Amos wrote so disparagingly of his time at Zhonghua - he convinced me that it was an awful school, but I am glad you offered an alternative opinion. I do hope for the students there that the school does offer a lot more than what Amos described.
And you're right, we do have to take responsibility for ourselves at some stage and do what is right for us. I certainly hope Amos doesn't get thrown in jail for his mistake and he will step away from the cycle of self-destruction that he could so easily fall into.
Based on privileged information, Zhonghua has sent at least 6 students to Cambridge and Oxford since 2010.
DeleteWell good for them James - it still doesn't answer the question about why Amos left Zhonghua feeling so alienated from the system and so bitter (did you read his blog post about his sec sch?) Why didn't he leave Zhonghua feeling he could be the 7th student from that school to go to Oxbridge? One would have hoped that his secondary school education had left him feeling inspired and full of hope for the future - not so bitter about the system that he dropped out of formal education.
DeleteYes. Amos has to accept some responsibility. The question is, does he have a Asperger's? If so, has he gotten help? Has he been tested? The parents and school must have seen to it that he got tested. If not, they failed him. Assuming that he was on the spectrum and had an IEP (Individualised Educational Plan), you cannot possibly compare him the PM's son! Every autistic child is different. Also, you
ReplyDeletecan imagine the guidance and enrichment the privileged child received compared to Amos. Zhonghua may not be a lousy school, but that has nothing to do with Li Yipeng having attended the school or that the PM spoke there.
Bottom line: we are talking about a troubled teen right now. Not someone who is 27 or 37. Hence, what help has he received so far to help him get launched into the world? Would jail time or fine give him the skills required to navigate in society? No. Will the rule that he works with a team of counsellors and psychologists to unravel the underlying causes of his behaviour? Has everything possible been done? I don't know. I doubt it. I work with troubled children and you should see the level of assistance at the governmental level, at school, and in the community.
I am wondering if a positive diagnosis of Asperger syndrome or some other form of autism may help him get a more lenient sentence? And you're right, I don't think Li Yipeng's attendance or the PM's speech there makes any different, that's a good point - the quality of the school should depend on the students' experience. Heck, if Nelson Mandela had visited a school, does it make it automatically a great school to attend? It may make an interesting line in the school's history, but it doesn't improve the quality of the teaching just because Nelson Mandela had once visited the school.
DeleteBut certainly, his school and parents could have intervened a lot sooner and done a lot more.
Hi Di. I am not sure if a diagnosis of autism will matter now. Just like how punishing Amos Yee by slapping three charges on him is not going to achieve much or change anything. I am not trying to be cynical but the reality of Singapore public schools is pragmatism. They are catered to the masses and certain elite schools will cater to the exclusively acceptable intelligent students. I am afraid if you are the rebel intelligentsia like Amos, you are out. If you have special needs e.g autism, Asperger's, you are on your own.
DeleteJust to relate a story of one of my closest friend whose daughter happened to have a recent confirmatory diagnosis of dyslexia. She is clearly intelligent and she aces her Chinese but kept failing English and had trouble reading and writing in English although her comprehension is normal. It took a foreign intern teacher to point out to her teachers that she may be dyslexic. The diagnosis was confirmed that she had moderately severe dyslexia. She was not very happy in school as she was frequently teased for failing spelling and my friend was simply furious because the school suggested she needs extra therapy to cope. He felt that she does not really need therapy, she just needs a different way of being taught how to read and write. While both my friend and his wife are earning pretty comfortably, it is still quite a big strain for them financially to fork out $500 a month for weekend extra lessons and a loss of play time - they have two other daughters as well. His wife spends 2 hours every evening on reading and writing practice following each weekend lesson. Remember that this is Singapore, you are on your own and no special needs assistance is going to come your way, parents just got to take it all in.
If the aid for a dyslexic child is already a challenge, it must be even tougher if the child is autistic. More so if the teenage child has offended the plebeians and the powers to be. As you said, the level of assistance at the govt and school and even the community level is really quite austere.
Then how could Singapore be said to have a great education system if it is not inclusive of varying learning needs? Learning disabilities dyslexia and special medical and mental needs that impede learning such as autism has to be addressed and supported by a network of trained professionals, and it should be included in the school programs. For a society to progress as a whole in a humane and forward thinking manner, there should be a "no child left behind" policy. By that, I do not mean that every child is supposed to learn at the same pace. I mean that every child be given support and opportunities to learn using the best strategies possible. Shane, from what you have said, it looks like society has failed Amos and that dyslexic child so far. It is a travesty.
DeleteI am afraid that the Singapore belief in a great education system = scoring high on OECD PISA tests, aces the exams, top scholars who made it to Oxbridge / Ivy Leagues. Plain, cold pragmatism where outcomes are clear. I shall use an analogy from figure skating which I love and I follow as an example.
DeleteThe Russian team right now has a large number of very talented and uber competitive female skaters. They are all given the state support, funding and coaching. But in order to get there, they must all survive the early years (I am talking single digit age) of brutal cut throat competition among themselves during group training. The best will move up to get further coaching and state funding. Any who fall by the wayside are simply set aside - no future, dismissed, don't waste our time and $$. So if you have any form of learning issues that prevent you from taking a fast and assured path to the skating pinnacle, sorry you are out. And those that reach the top will compete even more fiercely against the rest in international competitions because they know that if they fall, there will be plenty of other girls who will shove them aside at home. It really resembles the sort of internal bloodbath you see on Game of Thrones. The pragmatism espoused by LKY is somewhat similar in concept since the early years and it has become totally ingrained. The leaders in the PAP dominant govt are all primarily those who made it to the pinnacle - the equivalent of the Russian tsarinas in figure skating who made it to the national team, the counterpart to House Erudite from the divergents series. I seriously doubt that "every child matters" is in their blood. Much as I hate to admit, Brave New World is very much alive in Singapore.
My best friend is now seriously looking at migrating down under where he has discovered that there are schools who will cater to children with learning disabilities and where their kids need not go through the school mill system. Sigh, another fine brain drain.
Shane, I agree with what you said. But what is the PAP's solution to the brain drain? Easy, import more PRCs. There you go.
DeleteGoodness don't even get me started on that. But to say the truth, PRCs mainly are taking in the lower level executive or semi skilled jobs. The professional executive positions are mainly going to the Indians and Filipinos and trust me when I say these folks are way hungrier and competitive in trying to land the job. A lot of Singaporeans do not get it why employers will rather hire them. Truth is they can be as good as locals and reality is they cost less even if we pay them the same base pay as a local. For the skilled executives, it is easy to get them on employment pass, no quota, no levy. Pay the same base pay as a Singaporean, they get to keep the 20% which locals lose to CPF. As the employer, I do not need to cough up 17% employer CPF. Of course the foreign worker is super happy and has net higher spending money. The poor local costs more to the employer and end up with less available cash as 37% of the pay gets sucked into CPF. Simple as that. Of course if you are earning more than 6k, life is a breeze as you will contribute a lot less to CPF since the contribution cap is 6k. But sadly, the majority of people will not be there.
Deleteyea, its a salient point. Sadly, Singapore is just a very competitive country where everyone has to fight it out, its like, win or die. My dad could have qualified for the foreign workers migrants shortage scheme, but he has old fashioned thoughts.....ie. like what u mentioned on ur blog....old fashioned thinking that Singaporeans will be second class citizens in UK.....and sadly, I think I'm stuck in Singapore......I wanted to try out for the IT route for foreign talents in UK, but its more difficult compared to nursing.....
DeleteYuko, your dad is wrong in so many words. At the end of day, whether or not you do well in the UK depends on you having a good job - if you have the ability to make money, then life will be good. If you don't, then life will suck. It boils down to that. So for example, if you dad had a good job, then he can afford you to send you to the best school in the land and you will have a fantastic education and have a brilliant time at school. But if he has no money, then you are limited by the standard state school experience. Skin colour has nothing to do with it - it's entirely down to money these days.
DeleteAs for IT, no no no - try something else to do with the medical sector. You can't get a work permit with IT, it's not gonna happen.
Hi Alex. "This is where Asian parents go horribly wrong - there is this assumption that you simply must respect your parents: no ifs, no buts, no negotiations, no questions. Thus Asian parents just assume that they have the respect of their children and their children will actually listen to them - that is hardly the case in the real world..."
ReplyDeleteI think this is the crux of the issue. I had a frustrating Sunday talking to my father, some older relatives and my partner's older family members who were all happily condemning Amos Yee. While they were different groups, it was pretty obvious that they were reacting to the way Amos sounded and they were most aghast at the way he kept using foul language on his "betters" and "seniors". There was a total horrified disbelief that a young kid could actually use such harsh tones against his seniors and parents and the whole huha was that he was being disrespectful. since his parents have even washed hands and reported him, he deserved to be arrested and whacked hard by the police. Not even a single acknowledgment that perhaps his parents failed to instill discipline or inspired trust. When I tried to explain and offer my slightly more liberal perspective, it was quickly thumped down. Both father and the older brother of my partner (both > 65 years!) simply flipped and dismissed all off, that this is Singapore, we are Chinese, no child is allowed to say such "disrespectful" things when seniors are around. Oh and don't try to tell your seniors what is right or wrong. The unspoken threat was that I have gone way out of line by even trying to "teach" them when they "know better". Even my own partner told me that best to just smile and accept what they said and "respect" their beliefs even if these were founded on wrong (in my opinion) assumptions.
So the way I look at it, it is this huge cognitive dissonance between expectations vs. reality and double whammy of being in an ambiguous situation where they simply revert to putting everything into uber simplistic terms they can manage. And the way is to distill it all down to "must respect, if never respect = you must be wrong = punish". And you have the classic Amos Yee effect. Generation gap? I really have no idea what to say. So easy to simply cast your votes against a political party you dislike, but how do you deal with the Singaporeans you have to live with and are expected to "respect" unconditionally? The R word is starting to sound vulgar recently.
Hi Shane. LOL, mate, I totally relate to you. I think you and I have to meet to chat this summer when I come to Singapore, we have so much in common man!
DeleteYou know, frustrating as it was, let me contrast this to my Skype conversation with my family on Sunday. I brought up the issue of Amos Yee with them and my sister basically agreed with you and I on most of the points we have discussed thus far. My sister even went out of her way to say that Jason Tan (aka Cookie Tan) should be arrested for the threats he made to Amos Yee. I deliberately spoke in a mixture of Hokkien and Mandarin to involve my parents - my dad walked away, I thought he was just gonna get a drink or some tissue paper but he just disappeared off the skype screen. Oh well, my mum sat there and she was totally blur blur and my sister was explaining to her, "okay, this 16 year old kid made a video on Youtube" and when my mum said, "youtube is internet izzit?" And I just thought, oh man, mum you live in Singapore how can you not know what is going on?! After we told her what happened, she was still blur blur no opinion. Groan.
Let me give this off my chest. I did this ad for China last year and my dad spotted it on TV (he watches a lot of PRC TV) and shouted for my mother to come and watch it and I was like, aiyah just watch it on Youtube lah, you don't need to wait for it to appear on TV like that. And they were like hah simi si Youtube hah?
Talk about generation gap.
Hard to drive home the point that getting whacked by the police does not address the underlying cause of his behaviour, whatever they may be . I myself can only guess, but surely there are professionals in Singapore who can investigate.
DeleteThat will be lovely, do let me know when you will be back in town. I am off about two weeks in August down under but otherwise, should be largely home based.
DeleteOh well, lets be kind to your folks. My sister just told me something yesterday, that we are fortunate to have sufficient education and exposure to be able to comprehend and infer complex concepts using ethos, pathos and logos. Our folks just lack that sort of basic thought processes, so things are kept simple and piecemeal. They get all the info from the local newspapers and tabloids or from gossip sessions in the coffeeshop, so it is too much to expect in depth analysis and higher level thought processes. They are used to relying on pathos and some ethos, so that is why they idolise LKY. Forget about the logos. The harder you push, the more alienated they feel and the harder they will cling on to their beliefs.
So, I confess it has been a very humbling experience for me, to know that sometimes we just got to back off and let go despite that we may have good intentions. Catch up when you are in town. Am off on my French and Benelux holiday in 2 weeks. Yoohoo.
I am sure my time in S'pore this summer would overlap with your somehow - I am planning to get Lasik whilst in S'pore so will be there for a while. Looks like I will be traveling via KL again as well (it's cheaper to fly there) and doing a bit of Malaysia too.
DeleteHi Alex, happy summer holidays. Whereabouts will you be heading in Malaysia? As a semi peranakan, I always am biased towards Melaka and Penang. Catch up when you are around, easy on the Lasik. Corneas are not going to be happy for a few days.
DeleteI did KL + Melaka overland the last time and this time I think my first choice will be to go from KL to Penang then fly down to S'pore. Second choice would be to go to Kuantan and then overland to S'pore. I am tempted to go to Kuantan than come back down via my dad's hometown - he's not been there in years and I don't know if I can tempt him there ... Mind you, my parents are so paranoid about Malaysia these days. I am rather fond of KL, I can navigate my way around KL, it is cheap, the food is great and I have 2 lovely friends there.
DeleteHehe and am out to KL tomorrow for weekend short getaway ;). Meet up when you are in town then, just let me know when. Can be PM via email leukast@yahoo.com.
DeleteI think he has the signs of autism, like being in a familiar space (his home) and being socially awkward. My youngest brother is slightly autistic and can be considered a high functioning autistic as he is able to attend and graduate from a normal school and is currently serving NS. Still socially awkward and could even be considered having aspergers although i think the overlap is quite huge to able to differentiate for non-medical professionals.
ReplyDeleteCrikey, Amos still has to serve NS. Good luck to him. I hope he gets through that in one piece.
DeleteI suspect that my parents must be really very open-minded despite their generation being way back then......My mother's reaction was just simply, "He said a lot of correct things and he made all the valid points that our older generation could agree with, but the thing he erred on the side of was making his video public to be viewed by pro-PAP people." Even my younger sisters were saying that he was annoying at best.
ReplyDeleteIf i have decided not to go njc after my o levels , my father will demand i work and pay rent if i am to live in his condo. All i can say is that if amos was my son , i would have aken away his internet acess and deprived him of money to coerce him to continue with some form of formal schooling.
ReplyDeleteHi there. Thanks for your comment. Whilst I agree that in principle, Amos should definitely continue his formal education, I do think that any drastic measures at this stage would be too late - you don't just lose control of your child over night, this is a long process and a problem that had been festering for many years and it should have been addressed years ago.
DeleteTake away internet only called drastic meh. Stil feed him.and clothe him lei... like you said drastic measures needed for extreme situation. Could this situation be prevented and how? Who knows ? If i was amos's father , i will.sit him down and tell him nicely. " you exercise your free will and judgement and decide not to go jc right or study so now i exercise my free will and judgement and take back the internet access and pc which i paid for and therefore i own. You dun want to study fine ...just remember by the time you are 21 , you have to pay rent for your room or get out. Now i will still provide with food and shelther. There will be 3 meals given to you but not a single cent will be given to you."
DeleteI think Mr & Mrs Yee should have done a lot more a long time ago. Anything they try now is really trying to shut the stable doors years after the horse has bolted.
DeleteI am..hesitant to blame the parents though of course they are the greatest contributors to how Amos Yee turn out. It's hard not to hold them responsible.
ReplyDeleteI read a saying on the internet that I think explains it best. " People don't become adults, we just learn to wing it better". Sure it's natural for us to blame our parents as adults when they don't do a good job of it but it's not like all parents automatically received a download on how to be a good parent the moment we pop out of the vagina and that some parents deliberately don't want to follow the guide book out of spite/stubbornness. They are flawed humans as well, it is better for us as a society to learn the circumstances and hope we can avoid the same thing happening again.
I get the feeling that Amos Yee would have been a tough kid to handle under the best of circumstances. He's obviously very intelligent for his age and it would have taken a lot of wisdom and patience to bring him up to a properly functional adult, something most of us probably don't have despite our tendency to point the finger at the parents. How do you explain to a child who is more intelligent than you (And knows how to access a global bank of knowledge and in the throes of puberty) that he should listen to you in a way that doesn't result in resentment? Can anyone of us really answer that with full confidence? Most of the posters here are obviously highly intelligent/educated that makes it even harder to consider how to handle such a situation.
The Singapore educational system excels at one thing - to bring the majority of the population to world standards within a short window and like any rigid factory line, it has problems accommodating outliers and misfits that wouldn't fit the mold. Even here in America, autistic/ADD/Aspergers kids are difficult to manage (Their answer is to drug/tranquilize them). But it is a relatively new factory line( from a historical perspective at least) and needs a lot of work now especially in educating the teachers and the parents.
That's my view.
Hi BGB and thanks for your comment. I have thought long and hard about your comment and I still blame the parents at the end of the day. I don't think they deliberately tried to mess their kid up, there's no malice on their part - but just sheer incompetence when it comes to dealing with a difficult kid. The reason why it hits a sore spot with me is because I see a long of Amos Yee in myself and I was like Amos when I was younger and yes, my parents totally lost control of me as a teenager but it was very fortunate that I had a teacher that I really respected in JC who then became the person I listened to and he told me exactly what I needed to do. (ie. study hard, ace your A levels, apply for these scholarships, here's a list of the best universities you should aim for, then you can consider these jobs) - he laid it all out for me and I am most grateful. Ironically, I tried tracking him down some years back and he's in England too but in the middle of nowhere and I did leave it at "oh if you ever swing by London gimme a shout" but he never did.
DeleteI feel sorry for Amos because I was super lucky to have had this teacher to guide me when my parents were unable to do so - Amos didn't have a good time at Zhonghua sec sch and no one stepped in to try to guide him. Heck, a friend in Singapore even suggested that I get in touch with Amos to try to guide him now but I thought, too little too late even if I did so~?
I was fortunate that I didn't fall through the cracks because a good teacher (credit to the MOE I suppose?) made sure I didn't fall off the rails as he knew I was a smart kid. Ironically, my own parents who were teachers too totally failed in that respect. I just wish Amos had had the good fortune that I did.
I totally lol at Quan's comment because I feel she's the least justified person to label someone with having a mental illness. Not only is she not qualified in any way to say such things, her past siao behaviour make her statement even more hypocritical. She's even worse than Amos, considering that she's a full-fledged adult too.
ReplyDeleteAlso, for "there is this assumption that you simply must respect your parents: no ifs, no buts, no negotiations, no questions.", I can't deny there is some truth in this statement, but I'd also like to declare that not every parent of the older generation think in similar terms. My mum and my relatives of her side are definitely not like that, for all that they are the quite traditional-thinking type. My mum is the one of the most least judgemental person I know of her generation (and a much more kind-hearted person compared to me >>).
When I told my mum about Amos's video and described the content to her (I didn't show her the video because she wouldn't understand it due to the accent), her reaction, to put it in Singlish terms, was 'very chill'. Basically to sum it up it was "Uh huh. Ok. Teenagers are mostly like that (for the vulgarities part) and what he said isn't anything new. What's the hoo hah about?" She didn't see the need for calling the police, nor did she feel he needed to be punished - just that his parents should take the time to have long talks with him to bring him to have a more balanced worldview. She also doesn't think he's mentally ill, but rather, a typical anti-social angry teenager with some intelligence.
Weekend reading for you: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-arrest-of-a-teen-aged-youtube-star?mbid=social_facebook The New Yorker !
ReplyDeleteAmos broke his bail conditions again. He posted on fb and his blog. Apparently his father is abusive. Some unknown guy in red t shirt punched amos right outside the courthouse.😕
ReplyDeleteThe situation is so sad for Amos. Sigh. Yes I have read his latest post. And I am appalled by the way Singaporeans would stoop as low as to resort to assault to make their point - feel free to disagree with Amos but you are nothing more that a savage beast, an animal when you choose to use violence to make your point rather than use words.
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ReplyDeleteHey LIFT, apologize for the double posting due to making some edits. I've been a reader of your blog for awhile and I enjoyed reading your posts a lot and found them strikingly similar to what I think.
ReplyDeleteHowever, with all due respect, I would like to politely point out that Amos definitely doesn't have Aspergers and autism. Amos is able to communicate with people who are gays, the opposition party (as evident from his blogpost).
Also, Aspergers/autistic people are unaware of the social faux pas they are making, but Amos Yee very well knew the consequences of his action. On his blog, he challenged PAP to sue him. He also added that he knew that he said to his teachers were insulting but it was purposely worded that way.
Not being a part of the mainstream does not automatically mean someone has a developmental difference or the Americans would call it "neurodiversity". We both agree that in parts of London like Camden and Shoreditch, there are individuals who identify with the counterculture because it's the way they choose to express themselves.
I have the appropriate credentials to make that claim as well. Thank you for reading my comment and let me know what you think.
Hi NCK, I am not the only one who thinks that there is some element of autism to Amos Yee's behaviour, but in any case, it is just a theory given that i have not met the guy before and what I know about him is gleamed via the media and from two friends who knows him personally. I suppose it is so common in our modern culture to try to give everything a medical label - a child who can't sit still and focus has ADHD, oh great, it now has a label that somehow justifies it (but doesn't fix it), what good does that do to help us mitigate the situation with that child? If it tells us what remedies/cures will work, then it is a useful label in terms of a diagnosis that can lead to effective treatment. But if it doesn't, then such a diagnosis is quite pointless.
DeleteBut perhaps it is our human nature that craves a cure - a solution to all problems: we think that we can cure Amos by diagnosing his condition and then logically, we can prescribe a cure for it, but can we in reality? Clearly not.
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