Now the comment I posted on his cartoon was, "Can I state the obvious? The only way to withdraw your CPF is when you migrate to another country and renounce your Singaporean citizenship." This is of course, factually true - but someone by the name of Vto PAP reacted rather angrily to my statement. He said, "Then u have fallen into the Fuck Party's trap. When u migrate, more reasons to import trashes from Third World country and screw my families staying put. I did not serve NS to quit my country. Quit the party that betray you!! Singaporeans are more than that! VTO!!"
Now, let's calmly deal with this sticky issue. I have made no apologies about the way I have always taken the path of least resistance by choosing to leave Singapore as soon as I could, rather than stay and try to get rid of the PAP. Believe you me, I dislike the PAP more than most Singaporeans - that was why I was out of Singapore within a few weeks of my ORD in 1997. I studied in France and the UK in the period 1997 to 2000 and then worked all over Europe and Asia since 2000 - including a brief period in Singapore in 2011 as a British foreign talent. I have really enjoyed the experience of working and living in so many differences countries. I have long renounced my Singaporean citizenship and acquired British citizenship to enable me to work in the EU more easily - yes I realize that in gaining this convenience, I was giving up a chance to vote the PAP out, but it was a small price to pay because I doubt my one vote would ever make much of a difference in Singapore given how over 60% of the population still gladly vote for the PAP.
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Limpeh working in Germany in 2006. |
For me, this fight against the PAP it's a lost cause - whether you like them or hate them (and believe you me, I hate the PAP), I recognize and acknowledge that Singapore will always be PAP land and I am choosing to walk away and not be a part of it. I'm sorry if my attitude frustrates people like this 'Vto PAP' but I choose to pick my battles wisely. I would like to analyze his attitude a little bit more closely as I feel need to understand this person.
Now his bone of contention seems to boil down to this, "I did not serve NS to quit my country." Well brother, I did serve NS too - all 2 years 4 months of it back in 1995 to 1997. It seems clear that 'Vto PAP' expects some kind of return on his investment (the investment being the time he served in NS) whilst I was more than happy to write it off as something I just had to do before I could leave Singapore. Allow me to use an analogy from the world of finance to illustrate my point - this is a true story but I cannot name the company involved or risk getting sued for a lot of money.
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Do you expect anything in return for having served NS? |
This story goes back to the period 2011-2012 when I was working with hedge funds - there was this hedge fund, let's call it the XYZ fund since I cannot identify it for legal reasons. The XYZ fund had a really good performance from the period 2007 to 2011 but in 2012, it started doing badly - losing about 12% in the first six months of the year. The investors started panicking and were wondering why this fund which had been doing so well was suddenly losing money. The truth is the fund managers were engaged in a legal battle pertaining to the management of the company and had effectively neglected the fund - they were so busy going to court everyday as they were being sued and were counter-suing the other company that they simply didn't have time to manage the fund, hence the poor performance.
There was a small run on the fund - please let me explain what this means: when investors lose confidence in the entity holding their money (this could be anything from a fund, a bond or a bank), they will rush to withdraw their money, even if it means making a loss on their initial investment. Now anyone who went to withdraw their investment at that point would have probably made a loss (how much the loss is depended on when they invested and what the price was at that point) - but these investors were simply keen to get their money out and cut their losses. If too many investors redeemed their money at the same time, this would lead to a chain reaction: word would get out that investors had totally lost confidence in that bank/fund/whatever investment entity and it would collapse totally if all the investors tried to get their money out. The classic case of this has been South Americans banks in the 1980s and 1990s which have collapsed when little old ladies queued overnight to try to withdraw their life savings to no avail.
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The XYZ fund turned out to be a disaster. |
Now I had two friends approach me for my advice at that point, let's call them Mr A and Mrs B, They had both invested about £100,000 at the same time and if they made a redemption now, it would represent a loss of about 10% (ie. they will lose £10,000 and get back only £90,000). Mr A decided to stay invested in the fund, Mrs B had already made up her mind to make that redemption, cut her losses and was asking me what else she should be investing in instead. Why did Mr A want to stay invested in the fund? He felt frustrated because the fund was making money initially before it started making losses in January 2012 - he was told by his financial advisor that this was a sound investment and that the fund ought to recover in the long run, that all he had to do was to ride out the next six months or so.
This confused me as I thought that wasn't particularly good advice that Mr A was getting. I then did a bit of digging using my insider's knowledge. I found out that the management at XYZ fund had become very concerned that there would be a run on the fund. So they embarked on a charm campaign with the financial advisors - you see, they sold most of their funds through financial advisors rather than directly to the public. Many rich people would engage the services of a financial advisor (know as 'financial brokers' in Singapore) and would simply ask the financial advisor, "tell me what I ought to invest in". Well in the UK, financial advisors used to get huge bonuses from the funds they recommended? XYZ fund was paying these financial advisors pretty handsome fees to get them to recommend their XYZ fund - so when the fund was doing badly, they poured more champagne down the throats of these financial advisors, gave them even bigger fees to get them to continue recommending the XYZ fund despite it doing badly.
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Some financial advisors were giving bad advice about the XYZ fund. |
Both Mr A and Mrs B heard the same advice from their financial advisors to stay with XYZ fund - Mr A heard what he wanted to hear and chose to stay invested in the XYZ fund. Mrs B (with my help) managed to identify another fund that was doing very well, let's call it the NEW fund. Hence we encounter the concept of the opportunity cost: in choosing to keep his money with the XYZ fund, Mr A passed up on the chance to invest in the NEW fund. Well, I'll jump to the punchline: Mrs B did extremely well out of the NEW fund and made a huge profit with it. As for Mr A, only his financial advisor made money as a result of him staying with the XYZ fund - the fund has currently lost 50% of its launch price and shown no sign of recovering (and Mr A is still holding on to that fund).
What is the moral of the story? Well to begin with, we have to accept that in life, we need to be sensible about how we react when we are facing a loss and consider what the opportunity cost may be. In Mr A's case, I told him to invest in the NEW fund like Mrs B, but he refused to listen to me. "What if it doesn't work out?" He asked me. "What if the NEW fund performs badly and XYZ fund recovers?" In the case of 'Vto PAP', this guy has paid a price - like me, he has served NS and he wants it to count for something. He feels that if he leaves Singapore now after having served NS would mean that all that suffering during NS would count for nothing. I can see his point - but what about the opportunity cost involved in such a decision? Has he even considered his opportunity cost in doing so?
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If I had stayed in Singapore, I would have given up working in Europe. |
In choosing to spend his most productive years (his 20s, 30s and 40s) in Singapore, he is passing up on the chance of spending it elsewhere, in another country where he may be happier. Of course, it is a question mark whether or not he would be happier elsewhere - so much of that depends on whether or not he can successfully adapt to another country (the way I have) and thrive there. But to choose to stay in Singapore simply to make his grand sacrifice of NS mean something is a somewhat illogical way to approach the issue. That makes as much sense as Mr A choosing to remain invested in XYZ fund simply to prove that he didn't make a bad decision in the first place.
There is a fundamental difference though between Mr A and guys born in Singapore like 'Vto PAP' and myself. Mr A chose to invest in the XYZ fund - I didn't choose to be born in Singapore, it just... happened. So whilst I accept that I simply have to serve NS as a result, I don't feel obliged to 'make it count' for anything. I simply make the choices to maximize my well-being - to be honest, the CPF issue doesn't really come to mind, for me it's simply choosing to not to live in Singapore where I know I will end up as frustrated as 'Vto PAP' and the teenage vandals who were responsible for the anti-PAP graffiti in Toa Payoh, knowing that I am in the minority, knowing that 60.14% of the electorate still support the PAP. Well, the 60.14% do have a choice and they did choose to support the PAP.
Such is the nature of democracy I am afraid - even if you don't like the outcome of the result, you will have to accept the will of the majority. No amount of protesting can change the fact that the majority has spoken and you simply cannot change the result. So whilst 'Vto PAP' may not like the PAP, there is only so much he can do about the situation and yes, that is an intensely frustrating position to be in. In fact, he is showing signs of the gambler's pitfall.
How do some people get sucked into gambling and end up losing a large amount of money? Why do some people manage to walk out of the casino after losing $50 and others walk out after losing $500 and then there are those who walk out after not only after losing every dollar to their name but borrowing money from loan sharks to keep on gambling? Simple - it is this ability to balance our desire to recoup our losses by staying and cutting our losses by walking away. There are times when it does make sense to stay and continue fighting but only if you know your chances of victory are reasonably high. If your odds of victory are low, then the pragmatic thing is simply to walk away and cut your losses - but you then move on to something else which will hopefully be a lot better for you.
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Why are some people totally sucked into gambling? |
This 'gambler's pitfall' can apply in so many real life situations - a friend (let's call him "Zac" - not his real name) was recently dumped by his girlfriend despite having made a genuine effort to try to rescue the relationship. His girlfriend has dumped him recently because she found him way too intense: a few months into the relationship he was already talking about marriage and children (as if that was a foregone conclusion), well that scared her off. Zac was heartbroken because not only did he genuinely love her. He had made a genuine effort to woo her, to make the relationship work - he had spent so much time and money on her, so if he were to break up now, it would all have been for nothing. So he's desperately trying to win her back but she's already moved on and nothing we can say to him can change his mind on the issue. I swear his ex is going to get a restraining order against Zac if he persists. Zac is totally incapable of seeing things from her point of view - it's all about what he wants and "it's not fair, after all I have done for her blah blah blah". Instead of moving on (to a happier state of affairs), Zac is prolonging his agony by trying to win back his ex. Can you see the similarities between Zac's situation and 'Vto PAP' and Mr A's situation?
There are times in life when the only sensible option is to cut our losses and move on when the chances of a favourable outcome is very low. It's all a question of mathematics: to be precise, you need to calculate the probability of you getting what you want. In the case of Zac, the chance of his ex-girlfriend returning to him is so low that it is downright foolish to persist. And feel free to disagree with me if you want, but I also feel that 'Vto PAP's' chances of getting the outcome he wants (of a Singapore without the PAP in charge) is very low. The odds are just stacked against him. Base your decision on the probability of you getting what you want, rather than your irrational passions based on your desires. That way, you don't go barking up the wrong tree by picking battles you simply cannot win.
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What do I choose? What are the odds? |
The situation with the CPF is never going to improve - not whilst the PAP are in charge and the chance of them still being in charge for the foreseeable future is high, extremely high. Hence I say, cut your losses - simply walk away and start afresh elsewhere. You could be far happier in another country, you will never know unless you try - no one can promise you anything about your future in another country, but this much I can promise you. It is a choice between a future in PAP's Singapore or possibly greener pastures elsewhere. If you do choose to stay in Singapore for whatever reasons you may have, then fine - accept things for the way they are and appreciate the nicer things that Singapore can offer. But do not stay in Singapore and expect the PAP to give you the kind of country you want - oh no, you have a choice to either accept the kind of Singapore they have created or simply leave. And that is going to be the case as long as the PAP is in power, get real people. This is Singapore we're talking about.
So that's it from me on this issue. What do you think? Am I just too pessimistic? Or am I on the right side of being pragmatic and practical? Do you think the PAP will always be in power in Singapore? What are your expectations of the PAP when it comes to the issue of CPF? Would you leave Singapore if given the chance? Is it possible to get the PAP out of power within the next 50 years? Do let me know what you think, please leave a comment below, thanks!
I am befuddled. Why was he mad with you? He should be mad with the PAP for changing the policies and having these policies in the first place? We do what we do. We are under no obligation to anyone nor to the country when we left the country. It was our choice. We paid the price for it, good or bad. Some prosper, some struggle, and some give up hope after stint abroad. People like us made it and cut our ties legally with Singapore. Why take it out on us? What had Singapore done for us? Nothing! They deprived me of a tertiary education because my second language sucked. As for being the reason the country had to import wokers from Third World countries --- were we supposed to have stayed to uphold the abour market so people like him and his family do not have to put up with foreign workers? That guy was irrational and probably jealous.
ReplyDeleteHi Di. Well, what can I say? People like this 'Vto PAP' person is just angry and they lash out at anyone and everyone, friend or foe. This reminds me of when my friend saw an injured cat at the side of the road and tried to pick it up to help the cat - the cat scratched my friend as the poor kitty was in such a state it couldn't distinguish friend from foe.
DeleteI do agree that he is totally irrational and unreasonable - jealous? Most probably.
Hi Limpeh,
ReplyDelete"Trash from 3rd world countries"
What does this quote say about the integrity of the author? What is the probability that the logic you nicely display is throwing pearls for the...
It seems to be a minority but they are getting loud. Just check out TRE or TRS and you will be warped back to WWII and Hitler's propaganda against the Jewish people.
Are these people the PAP replacement?
Actually, you stated the truth. The age limit and amount for CPF have both been raised to the point that few people can actually redeem that money, other than using it to pay off your housing loans. These ranting guys and chicks need to take a reality check. Screaming and shouting at someone whom you barely know is not going to change the situation; changing the government and those in power as well as their policies are the only ways. I remember how years back when I popped by in Malaysia to spend one day for a short getaway, I messaged a friend back in Singapore about escaping the propaganda of Singapore media and news, and when he knew that I was watching "Captain America", he suddenly blurted into this whole racist thing of "get rid of the Pinoy Hydra pig, Captain America!" If I was right in front of him, I would have given him a tight slap on his face to get him back to reality. The foreigners are not the issue because they capitalized on a messed-up system!
Delete“Please do not assume that you can change governments. Young people don’t understand this”
ReplyDelete- Lee Kuan Yew on the results of the 2006 election
“Without the elected president and if there is a freak result, within two or three years, the army would have to come in and stop it”
- Lee Kuan Yew on what would happen if a profligate opposition government touched Singapore’s vast monetary reserves, Straits Times, Sept 16 2006
Spoken, recorded and reported by the Sate Times and Vto PAP still thinks he and Singaporeans can change the PAP govt thru 'noise' and votes? Read the quotes and draw your own conclusions.
Further, to pour more $$ done a hole and expect some returns/interest? How is the hole expected to pay you back? The fundamental question is where/how is the govt to generate the returns?
If Vto PAP stopped to think and analyse, the earlier you make your move, the greater your chances of success. All things equal, which company would prefer to employ a older person than a younger one? At least if they need to train both of them, they would get more returns from the younger person who can work for a longer period. Vto PAP waits and votes every 5 years and hope for the best? How many 5 years does anyone have?
Plus I fully agree with LIFT, I don't have too much confidence in Singaporeans to vote oppo, Even after all the screaming and complaining and anger, a full 60% still voted to be punished for a further 5 years.
Looks like I will have to do a follow up on this. Thanks for all your comments guys. Akan datang, part 2!
ReplyDeleteHello LIFT, I agree with your argument about sunk cost and opportunity costs. The trouble is people like Vto PAP may not be able to immigrate as easily as you did. Western countries offer the prospect of higher living standards but immigration controls are getting tighter. Vice versa for other countries.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair to Vto PAP, I think his anger wasn't directed at you, but at the PAP. He's probably venting his frustration about the huge sunk cost of NS; not necessarily angry with you.
Separately, I don't know how "intense" Zac was, but I think it makes sense to start talking about marriage and children early in a relationship, rather than wait till marriage only to find out that your significant other has different expectations. Of course one shouldn't talk about it on a first date or every week.
From your previous blog posts, your attitude towards children might be along the lines of "Why would anyone want to have a child? This thing is going to shit and cry at any time! Don't have a child just to fulfill some checklist in your life..." But for many others, their attitudes are the complete opposite of yours. This diversity reflects the need to talk about such matters from the start to avoid unnecessary disappointment.
Hi Puppet. Well that's true. Not everyone can move abroad easily as the bar of entry is set very high - but I still believe that he his venting his anger at the wrong people, more on this in part 2.
DeleteAs for Zac, I think it's the presumption that scared his ex off. I think her attitude was, "excuse me, why are you assuming that I will want to marry you? We're just dating and you're talking as if it's a done deal, you're assuming that I am going to want to marry you and have your children when I clearly have not made up my mind whether or not. What else are you going to presume and take for granted?" I think it's fine to talk about marriage and children early in the relationship, but it's the way he took her consent for granted that scared her off/pissed her off.
I just came across Roy Ngerng's blog post on the "Dirty CPF-HDB Scheme" and the comments at thehearttruths.com/2014/04/02/truth-exposed-the-dirty-cpf-hdb-scheme-to-trick-singaporeans
DeleteIn your part 2, it will be interesting if you can respond to it. I hate the rule that people owe interest to themselves in their CPF accounts. This rule is probably intended to ensure that people will have enough retirement savings, but (1) it's not going to work out if one's wages are low to begin with, and (2) it's rather paternalistic to assume that people can't wisely spend their hard-earned money.
This brings me to one of the comments posted there—
twelve:
don’t be ridiculous, Henry. Anyone with half a brain would know that half the population aren’t financially savvy enough to make good investments with their own funds.
Ang moh know moh:
Yeah, yeah. So gree. Here in Australia got no CPF at all. So no one buy house or flat, whole of Sydney sleep under Harbour bridge with one tattered blanket for everybody.
Hi there. Thanks or the link to Roy's article. Very well written indeed.
DeleteWell, Roy has his points to make and I have my points to make - they are different points.
I have completed a draft of part 2 and it is analyzing the mindset of the 60.14% vs the 39.86% - I have two main points to make in that post. Roy's well written article doesn't really require a follow up or response from me. Mind you, when I come across an article I totally hate and disagree with, that's when I fire up my blog and write a "this is why I think you're totally wrong" piece. But with someone like Roy Ngerng, he's right... I agree with him. So I'm going to talk about something else.
Have you seen this? http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2014/05/pm-lee-issues-letter-of-demand-to-blogger-over-cpf-article/
DeleteYea, it's unfortunate that Roy got so carried away in exposing PAP's lies that he didn't check what he wrote carefully. The comments at thehearttruths.com/2014/05/19/i-have-just-been-sued-by-the-singapore-prime-minister-lee-hsien-loong give us deeper insight into the 60.14% you're talking about—
DeleteBeatrice:
When you write, it's "speaking up", when PM Lee acts on it, it's "silencing" you. That is a funny way of portraying things. Maybe, just maybe, for those of us who cannot find truth in the words you write, it's called "defending". Just saying.
Jackson:
Exactly, if he can’t back up his theories and attempted representation of facts with proof, it is no longer within the territory of "opinion". Singapore, as a society, is still too immature to be able to embrace the tools and concept of free speech. Not everything can be constituted as free speech and if you aren't sure if your thoughts are overstepping the boundaries of opinions and onto "factual representations", it would be better to just keep them to yourself. Lest you end up as a fish on the dinner who just got served.
Loh:
Roy.... You are just a regular fool who talks without thinking.... If you are a man, don’t apolagize! Be a MAN! Stand up and be sued! The most you become bankrupt right?
Here's my take on their comments:
Beatrice clearly doesn't understand the difference between "speaking up" and "silencing". PM Lee is using threat of lawsuit to silence Roy, but Roy did not threaten PM Lee.
Beatrice may argue that everyone, including PM Lee, has the right to protect himself from wrongful accusation and so PM Lee's legal letter does not amount to "silencing". However, his legal threat must be viewed in the context of the PAP's history of suing political dissidents.
Chee Soon Juan was ordered to pay $200k and $300k to Lee Kuan Yew and Goh Chok Tong respectively, but could his defamation really cause so much damage? The penalty does not commensurate with the offence, and so I think people are right to believe that such lawsuits used to silence political critics.
As for Jackson, there is no such thing as a country being "too immature" for free speech. Just because someone occasionally makes a false and malicious allegation does not mean we should do away with free speech altogether. In fact, a mature and progressive society is one that tolerates different opinions, which is only possible with free speech.
Loh clearly hopes to see Roy being sued and bankrupted. I hope Roy will ignore provocation from people like him. It's better for Roy to just bite the bullet and apologise than to be bankrupted from a lawsuit.
Alex Au got into a similar debacle sometime back according to a few friends, due to something which he wrote on his blog about the current PM of Singapore's "role of collusion" in the AIM thing. I never keep up with these kinds of news, and have been rather detached from Singapore over the last 8 years since 2006, but I managed to go online to read Roy Ngerng's article. If he has the wisdom and the foresight, then he should be able to withdraw his article and then apologize to the PM, not only for the purpose of safeguarding himself and his financial future, but also, because it is not wise to contest against the PAP in the light of the history of legal battles against them which often ended in outright failure. Sun Tzu's "Art of War" has this strategy of using retreat as a form of progress (yi tui wei jin 以退为进), so if he plays it cool and just apologizes, even if the state-sponsored news media plays it up as his fault, there will be people who will see through the lies.
DeleteHi LIFT, I am one of your many readers who read your blog regularly but hardly ever comment. However I would like to speak my mind with respect to this blog post.
ReplyDeleteIn the early years of industrialisation, the PAP followed basic developmental economics by attracting foreign investment to build up the economy. However once other countries in the region opened up (especially China), everything went downhill after that.
After all these years in power, the PAP still has not been able to turn around the economy. The simple fact is that the only way to turn around is by creating a knowledge based economy. However, a knowledge based economy can only flourish in a free environment. The PAP is aware that for this to happen it will have to change its policies and lose its tight control of Singapore society, including having a healthy opposition in parliament.
Furthermore, in order to keep the country's finances propped up, the PAP is resorting to all sorts of tactics that are impacting very heavily on Singaporeans. The CPF is only one issue. What about the inflated prices of HDB flats (which are not even being sold but being leased to buyers for 99 years) and the costs of many other public services?
The PAP has hardly done anything to improve the lives of Singaporeans. In fact its policies are making things worse.
I have read many comments on various websites and many Singaporeans repeatedly keep commenting that the opposition in Singapore is not capable of governing Singapore; they do not have the experience; their public speaking skills are laughable; they are not united; etc.
Is it not obvious to Singaporeans that the only way for any change for the better is with the PAP not being in power?
Is it not obvious to Singaporeans that for that to happen they have to vote for the opposition, be it a fool or a wise man, regardless of the opposition being united or not.
Is it not obvious to Singaporeans that with the opposition in power, they may or may not get screwed but with the PAP in power, they will definitely get screwed everyday of their lives.
What I believe is that once the opposition is in power (even as a coalition), it will be a rocky start, but once they get the hang of things, everything will change for the better.
Unless the 60% realises this, the 40% can only pray, whinge or migrate. But all we need is a 11% shift to the opposition to shift the balance of power.
LIFT, going off on a tangent here: reading about your friend Zac reminds me of an event I witnessed back in NUS. My then-good friend was fervently pursuing this girl, but she initially resisted. A few months in, she relented and finally told him “I don’t mind being your girlfriend, but I would never want to be your wife”. When pressed, she eventually admitted that she found him fun to hang around with, but “definitely not husband material”.
ReplyDeleteHe was very hurt and dropped her like a ton of hot potatoes. I was puzzled by his reaction because if a girl consents to be your girlfriend, isn’t it good enough? Whether she wants to be your wife can be decided much later. My personal motto is: leave it to fate (which explains why I’m just a blur guy who married late).
That incident taught me, once people reach a certain age (probably by their 20s), whoever they choose to be in a couple with, is prospectively the one they intend to marry; otherwise they would view the courtship as a waste of time. I used to think this was true for women, especially if they intend to have children early.
However, recent observations indicate that in Singapore, men are quite keen to settle down, in fact even more so than women. They don’t seem bent on playing the field or “sowing wild oats” like their Western counterparts.
Hi there. I think where Zac went wrong was that he ASSUMED that it was a done deal, that this woman was going to marry him and have his kids - whereas she obviously liked the chase, she like being wooed, being pursued, she liked making Zac make an effort. Think about it: if he is wooing her, he will be on his best behaviour, he will bring her flowers and gifts, he will take her out on nice fun dates, he will dress nicely to try to impress her etc. The moment he assumed it was a done deal, he stopped making that effort and she didn't like that. It was like, "oh all that niceness when we first met, that was just to get me to be your girlfriend and now we're steady you're just gonna take me for granted? No way, I am dumping you." My point is that you should NEVER take your partner for granted and you should find someone you love enough to want to always make an effort for them.
DeleteI don't think you can generalize about angmors sowing their wild oats lah. That's not fair, you're painted angmoh men as some kind of virile lovers who can go out there and bed 10 women a week or something like that whilst Singaporean men are geeks who will remain virgins until their wedding night. I think the reality is somewhere inbetween the two. I live in London and believe you me, there are PLENTY of angmoh loser 40-year-old virgin types around who can't get laid unless they pay for it and there are now plenty of cosmopolitan young Asian guys who do play the field. Your ethnicity, skin colour or nationality does not determined whether or not you choose to play the field or not. That boils down to your individual personality.