Wednesday, 12 January 2022

The peanuts + 2.8% fallacy: why (some of) the poor stay poor

Hi guys, I have been discussing the issue of climbing the right career ladder with my reader Amanda recently and this prompts the question, I wasted a lot of time when I was younger in poorly paid jobs - gosh, the reason was that I really struggled with the transition from student life to working life in my 20s. I was a great student, a scholar in fact but being a good student at school or university is so different from being able to function well in the working world. Fortunately, I have managed to come a very long way - I have learnt from my many mistakes and have now found myself in a good position working in a niche area of investment banking. So I look back at the many people I have crossed paths with in the last 22 years of my working life, some have gone on to become even more successful than me, others have remained trapped in very poorly paid jobs. They say that a man should not be judged where he started but where he is today and what he has achieved along the way; thus this begs the question, why did some of my former colleagues end up so successful and why did some really struggle to make anything of themselves? In today's post, I will analyze a few key factors that determine whether or not people end up earning millions or peanuts in the long run by examining a few case studies and seeing what lessons we can learn from these stories - obviously, I have changed all their names to protect their identities but the stories are real and no I am not trying to make any kind of personal attack on these friends.

I got thinking about this as I talked to Amanda about my friend 'Charles' who was a former super model around the period 2000 to 2005 - I knew him through gymnastics and he was at the top of the world then, he was so talented that he was forced to choose between training three sports: trampolining, gymnastics and diving to see which would be his best bet for a medal at the 2004 and 2008 Olympics. He was also devilishly good looking and this didn't go unnoticed - he started modeling to supplement his income whilst training and started landing huge contracts. He would be paid £20,000 for a shoot that would take two or three days. He was on top of the world then he got injured whilst training, so he had to give up his Olympic dreams but he was still able to continue his modeling career for a while. But once he was out of that sports environment where he was training everyday, he lost his perfect body and at the same time, he started going bald - his modeling career came to an abrupt halt as a result of him no longer having that perfect six-pact and full head of hair. At the same time, he was in a relationship and his girlfriend became pregnant. He decided to marry his girlfriend and take care of his young family, but Charles then realized, damn I have no real skills or qualifications. It used to be so easy to make money as a model when he was younger but the only job he could get was at the post office depot sorting packages. He thought, oh well - it's an awful job but that's okay, it's just a short term thing an I'll do it just to get my wife through her pregnancy, then something better will come along after the baby arrives and that is just a few months away. 

Fast forward to 2022, guess what? Charles has two children today but he is still working in pretty much the same job, loads of people have been turning to online shopping during the pandemic and hence Charles is still gainfully employed doing that same job, but he is trapped in poverty. Amanda made an innocent but misguided comment in which she suggested that "perhaps he could try to get a job higher up the ladder in that industry" and I had to then point out to her that she has fallen into the "peanuts + 2.8%" fallacy which traps working class people in poorly paid jobs. The fact is, you don't become the next Jeff Bezos by working in an Amazon sorting depot; there is a separate recruitment programme for highly qualified graduates to enter management - these trainees are parachuted in from the top universities rather than sourced from those working in the sorting depot. In fact the only way for someone doing a lowly paid job in sorting/delivery to access one of the better paid jobs in management is to resign, go get a degree at a top university and then reapply via the graduate recruitment programme. But using Charles as a case study, he is a father with a family to support - he cannot afford to simply stop working as he is in fact the sole breadwinner for his family. He doesn't have enough savings to sustain his himself and family for three years whilst he becomes a full time student again, therefore Charles has very little choice but to just keep working in his role and trying to climb that career ladder, but allow me to demonstrate to you why that awful career ladder is designed to trap working class folks like Charles in perpetual poverty. 

Let's use Starbucks as a case study: in the UK, there is a clear career ladder for those who start at the bottom with Starbucks. you start as a cafe assistant at £8.40 an hour: you're cleaning the toilets, clearing the dirty cups away and you're the lowest of the low. Then you get promoted to barrista when they actually allow you to make coffee at £8.99 an hour. There is then some progression when you get promoted through the ranks: shift manager, supervisor, assistant manager and store manager. But let me to show you the maths behind where I got the "peanuts + 2.8% formula": as a shift manager, you're paid £9.64 an hour but when you get promoted to supervisor, that pay goes up to £9.91 an hour - that's a pay rise of £0.27 and when we divide £0.27 by £9.64, you get the figure 0.0280083 = a pay rise of 2.8% as you get promoted to supervisor. So if we start off with a very small bowl of peanuts and I increase the number of peanuts in that bowl by just 2.8%, you're going to end up with a very slightly bigger bowl of peanuts but actually,little has changed. It is still a tiny bowl of peanuts after the pay rise. That is why people like Charles who find themselves at the bottom of the food chain are trapped in a cycle where they can work decades in the same role, desperately trying to climb a career ladder that only offers tiny pay rises to the magnitude of around 2.8% each time they get promoted - before you know it, one day, Charles wakes up one day and he is already an old man in his 60s, ready to retire and he realizes that he is still earning peanuts after offering many years of loyalty and hard work to his employer. That may sound quite harsh but unfortunately for Charles, such is the brutal nature of capitalism and why the poor will stay poor, whilst the rich get richer. 

When Charles was a supermodel, he was easily earning around £150,000 a year - that figure would vary depending on how many shoots he does but when you're that rich, you don't worry too much about finding enough work. If he had been smart, he would have realized that the good times weren't going to last forever - he should have saved and invested the vast majority of that money for his retirement or at least used it as seed capital for a business, but he spent most of it on a lavish lifestyle and has little to show for it today apart from some incredible stories like this one he told me, "I remember back in 2004 after London fashion week, when my mates and I were invited to a party in Monaco by one of the French designers, so we flew down to the south of France on a private jet - okay, it was chartered with Netjets but still, we had the whole thing to ourselves. We then realized we couldn't actually land that thing in Monaco itself as they didn't have an airport there in Monaco, so we had to land in Nice but we then got a helicopter over to Monaco and you might think it was really fun, but it was so windy that day and I had already drank so much champagne on the flight to Nice that I promptly threw up in the helicopter - you should have seen the look on that French helicopter pilot's face. He said a lot of angry things in French as I literally threw up on him. I can't blame him, it was so horrible - it was like projectile vomit, it went everywhere but I don't speak French! I remember saying sorry to him whilst still vomiting as I knew it was so disgusting!" 

So if you're earning £20,000 a year (which is pretty generous for someone working in a sorting depot/delivery type job) and you're getting an increment of 2.8% with each promotion, how many times do you need to be promoted before you hit that figure of £150,000? He would need to be promoted 72.964 (let's round that up to 73) times before you could reach that figure of £150,000 but the harsh reality is that people working in such roles never get promoted that regularly because of the pyramid shaped corporate structure. There are many people working in the most lowly paid jobs at the bottom of the pyramid, significantly fewer in middle-level management and then a tiny number at the very top of the food chain. So someone like Charles who takes on a lowly paid job may find his first few promotions relatively accessible but they become harder and harder to attain the further up the food chain he goes - given that he dropped out of school with no former qualifications, he is always up against and losing to his colleagues who are better educated and have more skills. Charles is already in his 40s like me, never mind being promoted 73 times, he would be lucky to be promoted once or twice more and even then, we go back to the peanuts + 2.8% situation - it still would make very little difference to his financial situation. Charles is stuck on a career ladder that is painfully hard to climb and even when he does manage to climb up one more rung of that ladder, he is still a really long way away from ever earning the kind of money that would give his family a comfortable standard of living - unfortunately, Charles' family are actually living in poverty now and that's pretty ironic given that we're talking about the very same guy who threw up in the helicopter over Monaco back in 2004. 

If I may draw in another one of my friends whom I have mentioned a lot in my blog, I have shared the story of 'Vera' - she is in her mid-30s and worked many years as a personal trainer. She found herself very broke, living from pay check to pay check and there's just no way she could ever get on the property ladder in London. So she realized that she was on the wrong career ladder, she would never become financially stable working as a personal trainer. She contemplated doing a law degree in order to change careers, but instead, much to my dismay, she went to do a degree in photography. At a time when even teenagers have stunningly powerful cameras on their mobile phones, Vera decided to do a degree in photography. Where do I even begin? I asked her why she decided to do a degree in photography, she said it was something she was interested in and passionate about. I then asked her if she thought she would be able to get lucrative work as a photographer after she got that degree and she said, "I think so, if I am good at what I do then of course I will get work." I left it at that - what then happened was the pandemic hit, so many opportunities for paid work for photographers dried up overnight. So for example, photographers are often hired for big events (weddings, product launches, baptisms, even just rich people having birthday parties) but the vast majority of all that were either canceled or drastically scaled back as a result of the pandemic. So no matter how skilled Vera was on paper as a photographer, there simply wasn't a demand for her services at all - ironically she had to go back to personal training just to make ends meet.

So in Vera's case, she is actually financially worse off after having done this degree in photography because that meant only working part time as a personal trainer whilst she was a student and paying a lot of money for that degree. She was hoping that it would lead to more lucrative work in the long run but so far, nobody is lining up to pay her to take pictures. I look at her Instagram from time to time and I see her posting artistic photos, like the reflection of a tree in a lake, with every detail beautifully captured in the crystal clear water and it was beautifully lit by the setting sun. Was that a beautiful picture? Of course it was, I loved it and even gave it a like. In fact, she got loads of likes for that Instagram post as it is certainly a great photo. Would it lead to lucrative paid work? I don't think so. Is Vera a skilled photographer? Undoubtedly so, but is she able to monetize her skill? No, for the moment, she cannot. So in the case of Vera, her situation is quite different from Charles - she had overestimated her ability to make money as a photographer and the pandemic greatly reduced a lot of opportunities for her; in hindsight of course, she might have pursued a totally different degree instead; maybe something related to healthcare given that we're in the middle of a pandemic and we need more healthcare professionals, not photographers. But hindsight is 2020, Vera is left frustrated and wondering if she could hit the reset button by doing yet another degree in something else - this is a woman who gets 10 out of 10 for effort but 0 out of 10 for results when it comes to trying to attain social mobility. Poor Vera is trying hard but success somehow keeps eluding her. 

Now I've talked about Charles who went from rags to riches back to rags, then there's Vera who started with rags and is still stuck there but what about people who went from rags to riches? I have a nice success story I'll like to share with you because it would be depressing to just focus on the problems that Charles and Vera have faced. I've picked my friend Jeff (not his real name) as he took a very realistic path to success. Jeff left school without any formal qualifications because he had a very chaotic upbringing, his parents were separated and paid little attention to him. However, what he lacked in paper qualifications he made up with street smarts - when he moved to London, he was looking for a place to live and thus he did the usual thing back then (this was many years ago) which was to approach an estate agent. The estate agent he dealt with was so incompetent that Jeff thought, damn I could do a much better job that this idiot and it's not rocket science, is it? Just turn up, show the customer the property and then seal the deal. Jeff felt quite indignant because he felt compelled to deal with that incompetent estate agent because he really liked the property he looked at. Thus he signed the contract (albeit very begrudgingly) with that estate agent and decided at that moment, that he was going to become an estate agent as well. He started from the bottom and managed to work his way to the top - he is dealing with high end luxury properties now and he earns a lot of commission each time he makes a sale given how much these properties in London cost. Admittedly this is not the most glamorous job in the world, but Jeff is earning a lot. 

This begs the question: could Charles and Vera become estate agents too and follow in Jeff's footsteps to attain success that way? I don't know - trying to say "yes" to that question would be assuming that what Jeff does is so easy that anyone could do it and that would be wrong. There are so many estate agents out there and some struggle to make ends meet whilst others are extremely successful. But let's look at what Jeff did right: firstly, he went into sales and thus he had broken out of the 'peanuts + 2.8%' cycle. He was no longer dependent on his management giving him a pay rise - if he wanted to earn more money, he simply had to work harder, sell more and thus earn more commission. Charles had unfortunately been sucked into a 'peanuts + 2.8%' role and whilst Vera has avoided that trap, she is stuck with a skill that isn't in great demand at the moment - so it's not like she is bad at her job (I'm sure she is brilliant at photography) but she had picked the wrong career given the lack of demand for photographers at the moment. Whereas for Jeff, he is working in property and people will always need a place to live, that's not something like a photographer which is an optional extra that we can do without. Thus even though it wasn't a major consideration when Jeff decided to become an estate agent all those years ago, this factor actually makes his choice of career a really good one. Of course, Jeff has excellent social skills and builds good rapport with his clients - he also gets a lot of referral business from former clients who tell their friends, "you need to speak to Jeff in London. I've used him before and I swear he is the best estate agent in town." 

So if I may point out one key difference between Jeff and Charles, it is that Jeff has excellent social skills whilst Charles is somewhat lacking in that department. I guess if you grew up with the good looks of a supermodel, you're quite used to people being attracted to you. Whereas in the case of Jeff, let's just say he was never going to make it as a model but I suppose people like Jeff and I feel the need to compensate for that by being nice to people. We know that people aren't going to be attracted to us based on our physical appearances, so instead we have to be funny, kind, caring, helpful and nice to people instead if we want to make friends with them. The irony is that Charles' super model good looks didn't last that long but because he spent the first half of his life looking so incredibly beautiful, he is having a hard time adjusting to the fact that he can no longer rely on that physical attraction anymore. Actually I feel sorry for him because I know he is having a hard time, he was a good friend to me in the past and I hate to see my friends suffer. If Charles wants a change of career to improve his prospects, then he needs to take quite drastic action (the way Vera actually did); but we're in the middle of a pandemic-induce recession and now is hardly the right time for a man in his 40s to try to find a brand new job in a new industry. He should have thought about this years ago but you know the saying, you can bring a horse to water but no, you can't make it drink. Hence I really do not want to be giving career advice to a man who has not asked me for my opinion and so I mind my own business when it comes to Charles being stuck on this 'peanuts + 2.8%' career ladder. 

I would like to end by telling you about something else altogether to give this piece some balance, I don't want you to think that I'm looking down on Charles and feeling sorry for him. I met Charles through gymnastics years ago and I am still involved in my local gymnastics club as a volunteer. One of the coaches has just become a father - his wife gave birth to a pair of twins and the other coaches are organizing a little gift basket for the family. The coaches there don't earn much (yup, I know how much they earn) but they seem to have a blissful, peaceful lifestyle where they aren't that stressed. If the gymnasts fail to learn a skill, they would say, "oh it's okay sweetie, don't be too hard on yourself. This is a really difficult skill and if it was really that easy, everyone would be doing it. You've made some great progress today, well done for that. Now go get some rest, relax and come back next session refreshed, okay?" I've had a really stressful afternoon at work today - I'll spare you the details but it is one of the reasons why I hate working in a team because of potential conflicts with other team members. But unfortunately, it only works out financially if I work in banking where I can earn a lot of money and volunteer at the gym, I can't turn that around and be a full time gymnastics coach whilst dabbling in finance. It just doesn't work like that - there is a price to be paid if you want a well paid job and at times like this, I do think about Charles in a warehouse somewhere near Birmingham feeling quite bored at work but at least he isn't facing the kind of pressures that I am at work. Likewise, I see the coaches at my gymnastics - sure I earn a lot more than them but I suspect that they might be a lot happier than me at work? But I'm sure at the very least, they are a lot less stressed: it is two sides of the same coin. Or am I imagining that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence? 

So there you go, I shall there but what do you think? Have you ever met anyone like Charles, Vera or Jeff? Why do you think Charles and Vera are stuck in poverty whilst Jeff managed to attain social mobility? Would you feel sorry for Charles or do you blame him for his own plight? Is there any hope for someone like Charles to get out of poverty or is it too late for him given that he's already in his 40s? Do working class people realize they're stuck on a "peanuts + 2.8%" career ladder? Will you try to help a friend like Charles then?! Do leave a comment below and many thanks for reading. 

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  1. I wouldn't say Charles or Vera lack social skills per se, but that they aren't as street smart and money-savvy as Jeff. Also, with Charles I think he made money too quickly similar to a lottery winner so he never learned to manage it. Contrast with yourself or Jeff who took several years to increment their paycheck to the same level as model Charles, you guys managed to learn how to budget to stay wealthy. I feel bad for Vera starting university just as the pandemic started. It wasn't just photography work that dried up but also personal training as well due to lockdown restrictions.

    Btw I have also noticed that gymnastics coaches seem so happy-go-lucky while I could be thinking about some code or an equation at gymnastics if it's been a stressful week. I suppose their job isn't extremely challenging aside from teaching the same skills every week, socializing with the students to keep them coming back, and hoping the customer base stays constant. It's the final point that determines how much money they make, and there isn't much control over that since gymnastics isn't a very scalable business. But not everyone wants the stress of managing scale to make tonnes of money. Some days I just wonder if life would be easier if I just taught science for a living instead of trying to use it to invent a new product. Teaching science would pay a lot less, but it's the same material every year. However, I am way more stress resistant than boredom resistant, so for me going the stressful but lucrative route is the less inconvenient path.

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    1. I do wonder what would make someone 'street smart' - it's often the case in Singapore at least that you get someone like my nephew: only child in a wealthy family, so the kid grows up playing expensive computer games at home on is own instead of socializing with his peers doing something like playing football (something in a team, involving other kids his own age). But in Charles' case, his parents weren't exactly rich like that - he is a classic case of a young working class person literally winning the lottery when he realized oh you mean I can be a model and people will throw tons of money at me just to pose for pictures? Oh wow. That's why he never had the foresight to try to manage his wealth when he was earning loads ut otherwise, he didn't grow up rich at all. Same goes for Vera, her family situation (without going into details) can be at best described as messy and she didn't have much money growing up either. A lot of people assume that somehow poverty would force people like that to develop better social skills to make up for the lack of privilege their richer counterparts would have, but that's not always the case. Some people like Jeff & I have indeed done so, but not Charles and Vera.

      The fact is the gymnastics coaches simply teach gymnastics, they NEVER EVER get involved in the business side of the gymnastics club. Like NEVER. They get paid a flat rate (and it's back to the peanuts + 2.8% situation) and that's why they're freaking poor. Whether they get 2 students or 20 students who turn up for the class, they get paid the same peanuts because they're on either an hourly rate or they are paid per lesson. Thus they are in the same boat as the barista in Starbucks: whether you have a super busy morning with long queues of angry customers demanding "hurry up, I'm waiting for my coffee!" or if it is say a rainy morning so there are far fewer customers because of the dismal weather, the Starbucks worker gets paid the same peanuts hourly rate. If you look at the business side of running a sports facility (not just gymnastics but any kind of sports facility), then it's a bunch of business people in an office determining what business model to adopt and which market to pursue: do you price the class at £20 and make it a premium product, charge each customer more but at the risk of alienating people who think that £20 is too much? Or do you make it £6 to get as many people through the door as possible, but risk making the gym so crowded that people have a bad experience and never wanna come back? These are decisions that are made by the management responsible for the business and if they get it right, sure the gym will make money but the coaches will NEVER EVER see any of that, they will get a pathetic 2.8% pay rise after a long time and that's why the coaches are so freaking poor.

      Did you actually think that the gymnastics coaches get involved in the business side of running the gymnastics club? Hell no, they never ever do that - the same way the barista who makes your coffee never ever gets involved in the business side of Starbucks. This is why working class people stay so freaking poor their entire lives: they are stuck in a situation where they have no say, they do not get involved in the more profitable side of the business, they are treated like really stupid, uneducated retarded idiots who know absolutely nothing and they're paid peanuts + 2.8%. This is why Charles and Vera are so poor today and they're going to remain painfully poor until they die because they are working class.

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    2. I would define street smarts in being able to pick up on what other people want in order to get what you want, and this is usually independent of wealth but is easier if someone wealthy and successful sits you down to talk to you about it. I think in your nephew's case he is oblivious about business because he is still busy trying to get good grades in school and make friends. But of course some people have a predisposition to understanding compromise and negotiation better than others, and your nephew has autism so it makes it difficult for him. I remember a quote by Jack Ma about how one shouldn't aim to be the top student in school but a middling student to leave time to pursue other things, and its through those other experiences that people can learn about street smarts, because its difficult to learn in such an artificial environment like school. As if life is ever fair in that we answer XYZ questions correctly and will be given a guaranteed reward.

      Schools don't usually teach negotiation because it would be weird to have to get the teacher to like you to grade you well, even though real life works that way. And you can't just practice on getting one person to like you, you need to practice on getting any person to like you. In a prior blog post I think you mentioned that doing charity work is a great way to learn social skills. I think it's because one meets so many different people and has to find ways to be amenable to all of them. Also I think people are less likely to be rude to charity workers since they are volunteers rather than employees, so its an easier training ground than working at Starbucks.

      I thought maybe some gyms are small enough that the coaches are also the business owners. It seems like my gym only has two maybe three coaches, but then again I don't live in a city as big as London with a lot of clientele. But yeah in most businesses there is a strict division between "employees" and "management." The only exception are high skilled jobs where employees do have a high chance of being promoted to management eventually, like law firms, asset management firms, architecture firms, engineering firms, science labs, etc. At least in my industry every boss knows that the person working under them wants to be them someday and usually has a high chance of doing so. It's so cutthroat one could easily be upstaged by some 20 year old who knows how to code from their college dorm. But then again this is why people who work in these high-skilled jobs are usually rich and not poor, because they have some say in the business side of things and are compensated better when they perform better.

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    3. Perhaps street smarts is just like flexibility - we have one adult gymnast in my class called Georgina and she's super flexible, like in a way that's totally effortless she would slide into all of these stretches. One of the other coaches asked me, "surely she must have been doing gymnastics since she was a child to be that flexible?" And she said no, I started as an adult. It's a gift, a talent, thus she doesn't have to try to be flexible, she just is. Perhaps with street smarts and social skills - there is an element of that as well? Or is it more a question of being an environment where you're rewarded for street smarts & social skills, so you are under pressure to develop those skills and you can clearly see how you will be rewarded for it (and penalized for not developing those skills as well).

      As for gymnastics clubs, maybe there are some small gyms out there where the owners also coach but often, that's not the case. It is run like Starbucks - ie. the owners sit in their offices, make strategic business decisions and hire a bunch of workers on "peanuts + 2.8%" contracts to do the dirty work. The economics behind this strategy is not rocket science: let's stay with the cafe example. If you were the owner of the cafe and you had access to plenty of cheap labour in your city, people who are willing to work hard for you in your cafe to do all the dirty work, would you rather:

      A) stay in your office and manage the whole team from there, whilst coming up with the best strategy to maximize profits by looking at all the issues from marketing to promotions to social media exposure to rewarding regular customers etc?

      B) roll up your sleeves, start mopping the floor, loading the dishwasher, cleaning the tables, taking out the rubbish but in so doing, staying very busy but completely neglecting your duties in managing the business properly and thus creating chaos in the cafe as nobody is left in charge of managing the business?

      So whether you're running a gym or a cafe or any other kind of small business, you need a boss to manage the staff and if the boss starts behaving like a member of the staff, then you're going to have all kinds of problems. I'm not saying that you don't have small gyms where the owners may do some coaching, I'm just pointing out that it is a TERRIBLE idea for the business owner of a gym to do any coaching at all because that's not their job and they're not helping the gym at all - they're better off hiring yet another coach (and paying them peanuts) whilst sitting back and acting like a real boss, managing the business.

      I refer you to the reality programme the Apprentice - observe how important the role of the project manager is in each team. If you have a good project manager, the team will almost certainly win. When you have a project manager who gets too involved in the nitty gritty of the task and fails to manage the team, then it is a recipe for disaster. That's why the woman who runs my gym doesn't coach at all - she is there to manage the coaches and other staff who works for her. She is a proper boss who understands how to run a small business successfully.

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    4. Wow an adult gymnast who is that flexible is quite rare. She's won the genetic lottery with that. I have like zero flexibility and that locks me out of many skills.

      Hmm, I suppose managing a business is a totally separate skill than providing products/services. I guess one doesn't need to be brilliant at making coffee to manage a starbucks, or even a good football player to be a manager of a football team. Actually many football managers were terrible players or never even played at all at the highest level. But in many cases a business manager is harder to replace than an employee.

      Y'know, this post compared to some of your previous posts about mileage varying a lot with university degrees paints a pretty bleak picture of the working world, at least compared to what teachers preach in school. There is no easy way to climb the ladder. In fact it seems the easiest way to be successful is to find some very small niche with higher demand than supply, and train towards filling that niche, similar to what Mr Ex Model did by switching to diving over trampolining.

      Like in the STEM industries right now the hottest topics are gene editing and machine learning/AI. A company even recently cured type 1 diabetes using gene editing a couple months ago. Most students who like science are choosing to go into those two fields nowadays because it has the most demand. But with someone who doesn't like science/tech, and doesn't want to work in finance, it's a lot trickier to find a niche because all the other niches don't make the news. Maybe social media makes the news, but it's very competitive and less stable compared to tech/finance.

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    5. Well Amanda, yes it is very bleak but please note that this is not a reflection on me being terribly pessimistic about the world, rather it is simply an accurate reflection on the prospects of the smiling barista who serves you your coffee when you go to Starbucks. That figure of 2.8% pay rise is based on Starbucks UK's current pay structure - factor in the fact that the inflation in the UK is at 5.1%, that pathetic rise of 2.8% isn't even enough to allow Charles to maintain the same standard of living as he did last year. You need a pay rise of 5.1% in line with inflation just to keep maintaining the same standard of living if prices are going up by that much, if your pay increases by less than 5.1% (the rate of inflation), then even if you get a pay rise, that's not enough and you will get poorer. It's like being on a treadmill - you have got to keep running just to keep on the same spot and that's what it feels like for poor people seeing tiny pay rises like 2.8% which is less than the rate of inflation. A lot of people will think oh but you British people have the welfare state and the poor get a lot of help, right? Not enough, people like Charles don't want to depend on handouts - he wants to support his family but given the kind of pay rises he is given (which is usually less than inflation), people like Charles can feel like they're running so hard on a treadmill everyday only to see themselves move backwards because of inflation. Why?

      It has a lot to do with what I talked about earlier: the managers don't get their hands dirty. They manage the business and simply pay people like Charles peanuts to do the dirty work whilst they take the bulk of the profits. It takes a certain amount of calculated risk taking to succeed in this context: I refer you to a post I did a while ago on this topic. https://limpehft.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-tale-of-two-johns-same-name-different.html

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    6. Not to be rude, but it seems like the kind of job Charles is doing is none too different than a robot, except that robots aren't advanced enough to have his fine dexterity in labeling and moving packages - yet. The problem is that there is no incentive to pay someone working a job like that better, because it's not like a job where there is a bidding war for talent like in the modeling industry.

      I read that post and noticed I actually posted a comment on it too. In the second John's case I think he keeps hitting "refresh" to change ladders so often that if he ever gets stuck, he won't get stuck for long and has a new chance of success very soon. With Charles he is clearly in a dead end job, while with Vera her new ladder had too high a barrier of entry in terms of time and money relative to risk. With RS he didn't stay in a job for too long, and he doesn't spend too much when changing ladders. From an investing point of view RS seems to buy/sell stocks in careers very often, compared to Charles/Vera who buy and hold stocks which don't perform too well.

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    7. Well there are some jobs that can be automated of course but they are not automated because you have a choice of hiring Charles and paying him peanuts to do it, or investing in some very expensive robotics to automate that job. At least in the short run, it is always cheaper to hire Charles and pay him peanuts for the simple reason that such robotics equipment cost a lot more than 'peanuts'. But what Charles is doing is not skilled - he has nothing unique to offer, so as discussed in the tale of two Johns, John RS does a lot better than John 1 because John RS is trying really weird niche jobs whilst John 1 is sticking to very ordinary jobs. John RS is single and gay (not that his sexuality has anything to do with it) but it means that he's not like Charles who has a family to support, John RS can go through a period of transition where he has low income and can emerge on the other end of that transition period quite happily settled into a new career. I'm not saying career switches are easy but John RS seems to have mastered that art more than anyone else and he's almost like that character Frank in the movie Catch Me If You Can who is a legendary con artist and gets away with pretending to be everything from a lawyer to a pilot to doctor.

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    8. Yeah true in the short run robotics that can sort and label packages isn't available as cheaply as humans. Even Uber tried unsuccessfully to replace their drivers with self driving cars.

      Yes true, John RS (and also John 1) are both childless, so they can pack up and move very easily, and in John RS' case switch jobs without worrying about a temporary income dip. What I'm surprised about is how John RS fights ageism, I assume he isn't exactly a young man and climbing new ladders all the time means he has to compete with much younger candidates for whom this may be their first and only ladder they'll climb. Maybe John RS is just a jack of all trades type who can pick up skills quickly even if he's not super talented at anything in particular.

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    9. Automation will depend on the economic benefit of going down that route - in places like Japan where there isn't a supply of cheap labour then yes, automation makes a lot of sense. But in a country like China where you have a massive population looking for paid work and willing to accept low wages, then you have far less on an incentive to invest very heavily in automation. You're just far more tempted to get some more staff, pay them very little to get the work done then just kick the can down the road until circumstances change.

      As for John RS, he knows how to capitalize on transferable skills. So this winter, he's back in Lapland working in tourism - we don't get much snow here in Britain so a lot of families do bring their kids to go 'see Santa' in Lapland and have a white Christmas. It's not a highly skilled job but a tedious one - he is put in charge of a large number of families, he has to make sure he gets them from the airport to the resort, get them everything they need especially their Covid tests and make sure they all get home in one piece. It's not rocket science but it's high end customer service as I can tell you that such tours are not cheap. I went to Finland on my own and it was effectively me taking care of my husband - it was me who organized everything for the two of us on that trip. But imagine if I paid John RS to be my tour organizer to do all that for us, yeah it's a premium service that these rich families pay for in order to have a lovely time on holiday with little stress about "oh did you remember to bring your passports with you to the Covid test because they need to log in your details before they test you?!"

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    10. Oh it seems that automation isn't working out too great for Japan either, they're starting to open immigration, but quietly and only for in demand jobs. I know people say aging societies are bad, but it only seems like a good thing for low wage workers whose salaries tend to go up.

      Oh yeah my family has hired people like John RS for our family vacations before, and they were sometimes also private tour guides who and chit-chatted with my parents a lot. I suppose it's for rich families with kids where the parents are kinda lazy to parent and plan vacations themselves. It isn't rocket science but does require good social skills and pays well because it isn't a commoditized service that people want to pay the cheapest price for. Hmm it seems that John RS has carved a good niche for himself because his clientele are usually wealthy. I guess his resume just reflects he's really good at luxury sales, which is why seasonal work doesn't bother him too much.

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    11. Well both Japan and South Korea were forced to allow a lot more low-skilled workers in to fill gaps in their labour market that just can't be replaced by automation. For example, the harvesting of strawberries is a labour intensive task that can only be done by humans who are have to handle the delicate fruit so very carefully so as not to damage them - if it's a much tougher fruit like a lemon or orange with a hard skin, then yeah it can be bashed around a little through a machine and still be okay but not soft fruit like strawberries.

      As for John RS, yeah his job isn't fun - gosh, I can't imagine serving rich families like that but if John RS is happy doing that kind of work for decent money then that's his choice. His work revolves a lot about making sure that every single person he takes care of gets the right Covid-tests to be able to travel to their holidays then return home - he works as part of a team. Heck, I just took another Covid test today (came back negative) and it's just the most mundane boring task ever but at least John RS is reasonably well paid for doing mundane work (arranging Covid tests for rich people on holiday) as opposed to Charles who is paid peanuts for mundane work sorting packages for delivery.

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    12. Yeah the situation in Japan and Korea reminds me of squid game and the migrant worker character from Pakistan, I forgot his name. Apparently people like him used to be exploited because people came to work but there was no legal visa pathway, but now the Korean and Japanese governments are issuing visas due to the labor shortage. At least with Japan even though they're aging they do have jobs available. Spain and Italy are aging but their economies are not as strong. I'd be scared to be a young person in Spain/Italy, they have very high youth unemployment.

      It isn't a fun job, because if there is one delay then the rich people can get very upset. It's kinda like working in logistics but for rich people and vacationing haha. But yeah like you said even if the work can feel mundane, John RS still has a very comfortable living compared to most of the UK population. He's a homeowner in one of the most expensive property markets in the world, and is at least middle class. Also Alex I think we overestimate the impact of a "mundane" job. Some people don't seek satisfaction in work and these are usually the type of people who say "I don't know what I want to do in life" when they turn 18 and have to pick a major at university. For these people, of which there many, almost every job is mundane(even coding) so they are happy to do any job provided it pays well and has decent work/life balance.

      Btw you mentioned your first few jobs were terrible. But even though they were terrible, were they at least useful stepping stones? Or was it all up to you to leave those jobs asap to climb different ladders because the work experience wasn't that useful?

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    13. Btw today I just found out a coworker of mine caught covid even though he is fully vaccinated with Pfizer, but didn't get the booster shot. He still lost his sense of smell, but it didn't feel any worse than the common cold. Jeezus so the vaccine isn't foolproof against infection. I've been vaccinated and boosted and recently got my covid test after returning from vacation (I'm negative), so I've been very lucky never to catch covid. With all these variants it makes me wonder when we will fully exit from the pandemic. Maybe when a new variant pops up and hospitals don't get full that it barely makes the news.

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    14. Hello Amanda, a couple of points to reply to you here.

      1. Many countries from Finland to South Korea issue work-permit type visas, just like in Singapore - that means your Filipino maid is in Singapore working legally, she has a work permit tied to her employment but it is highly unlikely to lead to any kind of permanent residency; the system is designed to return her to her home country once she completes her contract, at which point, she has left her employment and is obliged to return to the Philippines. Some low-skilled workers rather stay on as illegal immigrants and enter that grey area where they first arrived legally but then end up as illegal immigrants in the end. Some countries manage this process better than others - Singapore is an expert in managing it because it is such a tiny country, you can't 'hide' as an illegal immigrant whereas in a much bigger country like the US, many illegal migrants can hide for decades.

      2. Youth unemployment in Europe is a major problem. The problem is caused by the fact that we're really good at educating our young people here but there simply isn't enough good jobs for these well educated youths once they enter the job market. Things weren't better a generation ago - rather, the problem didn't exist a generation ago as education sucked a generation ago and fewer adults made it to university, fewer adults were educated or skilled enough to expect to earn a decent living so there were far more adults who accepted their fact (like Charles) in working in a peanuts + 2.8% working class job. Imagine if Charles had been a graduate from a top university, then he would have been less prepared to accept such a terrible job (even if it was the only one available to him). So in improving the education system, we've created a brand new problem because well educated youths are not necessarily the kind of people who will say, "I can't find a good job? No problem, I'll start my own company with my good friend from university and we'll be the next success story about young people and start ups." University doesn't actually teach you much about the business world and they aren't prepared to make the sacrifices that John RS has made - he is a very down to earth guy who is willing to do mundane crap (like organizing Covid-tests for rich tourists) just to make sure he earns a good living.

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    15. 3. My first few jobs were crap - I don't wanna be the kind of person with poor social skills and start defending my bad decisions. Oh I was watching The Apprentice last night when the project manager was a dictator who refused to listen to anyone on the product design team and came up with a brown fat electric tooth brush - the experts in the industry called the toothbrush a turd and he still defended his terrible decision whilst conveniently ignoring the expert opinion. I think everyone watching at home were screaming, "open your fucking eyes it looks like a big piece of shit!" And of course, there's social media now and if he is refusing to listen to the experts, now everyone on social media is calling it a turd. But that's the kind of scenario when someone makes a terrible, stupid, awful decision and then tries to defend it. I don't want to be that guy who defends a turd! I want to be the honest guy who says, "yeah I worked in some terrible jobs because I didn't know any better, I was so ignorant and that was a horrible mistake - graduates should NEVER repeat my mistakes and I am sharing my mistakes here so you can see what happened to me, then avoid those mistakes that I've made and skip to the part where I have learnt my lesson and became wiser. You can't defend the indefensible - that'll be like arguing with the experts that your brown electric toothbrush doesn't look like a turd when it obviously does. So no, I am not going to defend a turd - I'm not going to claim those mistakes were useful stepping stones. I would advice everyone to avoid making those stupid mistakes that I did because they were in no way 'stepping stones' - it was (as you said) ultimately up to me to leave those jobs ASAP and climb a different career ladder. Of course, it's a lot easier for me to look back and say, "I made some really stupid mistakes, I've learnt my mistakes and now I am a wiser and richer person." But someone like Charles will find it a lot harder to do the same thing because he hasn't learnt from his mistakes and now he's stuck in a dead end job, struggling to provide for his family and life is very hard - so you can have that same conversation with Charles and he will be extremely defensive about the poor decisions he has made.

      4. One of the coaches in the gymnastics club tested positive for Covid on Thursday and I was in the gym with him on Wednesday evening. So on Friday, I took a test (as everyone in the gym who was with that coach was at risk of infection) and it came back negative. So I was like, okay, well I felt fine, no symptoms but I guess Omicron is very infectious. Our infection rates have been falling steadily for a week now so the fact that Omicron is super infectious means that it has spread through the UK like wildfire and we hit the peak super quickly, now things are getting better - quite unlike previous waves where those variants hung around for much, much longer; prolonging the agony for everyone.

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    16. Yeah I find it relatively cruel that many countries only want cheap labor from immigrants but don't want to let them permanently settle. And yeah Singapore is great at keeping out illegal immigrants because you need to show an IC or employment pass for almost anything. One even needs to show a passport just to buy a sim card or book a hotel. If someone does become an illegal immigrant in Singapore they'll have to sneak into Malaysia or Indonesia to buy prepaid sim cards.

      Countries like the Netherlands or Germany or even the UK don't seem to struggle as hard with youth unemployment though. But I guess they have a better trades system than Spain or Italy. The one region in Spain that doesn't suffer from high youth unemployment is the Basque region, but that's because more people there go into trades than to university. I guess university is only for people who want to enter middle class white collar jobs, but not every job available is like that. Sometimes I forget that governments are incentivized to send everyone to university because universities also create lots of jobs, even the students aren't necessarily better off after graduating.

      Oh okay, glad you did find the moxie to change jobs ASAP so you could get on a better career ladder and have the nice things you have now. Are you kidding me a brown toothbrush? I suppose its a case of sunk cost fallacy when people get defensive. The inventor of this brown toothbrush must've poured a lot of time and money into it.

      Oh wow, omicron must be spreading throughout your gymnastics club too. I haven't heard anything from mine yet. Hmm maybe its a good thing that its a mild illness that spreads a lot. Provided people are vaccinated we should be fine. But sadly people are not, but its their choice to walk around maskless. They say the Spanish flu ended the same way, the virus evolved a less severe variant and eventually died out by infecting everyone.

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    17. Firstly, the turd: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/14/01/52909267-10400711-Turd_esque_They_derived_Whiffy_The_Wizard_as_their_dental_icon_w-a-41_1642122120172.jpg

      I don't think the Singapore system is cruel per se, I think all migration should be regular and not illegal. Take Finland for example, they have a lot of labour intensive work in the summer when it is berry harvesting season. A lot of soft berries like blueberries grow up in Finland as they are tolerant of the cold weather, the snowy winters don't kill off the berry bushes and they come back to live in the spring and are covered with loads of delicious sweet berries in the summer, but someone has gotta go out there and harvest them. It is back breaking hard work and in the far north of Finland, there's like 21 hours of sunlight at the peak of summer and even in late summer/early autumn, that falls to like 16 hours. There's more berries than humans can pick and these fetch a high price in the market as everyone loves blueberries. So what does Finland do to harvest the berries? The berry pickers are recruited from Thailand - not Bangkok but from the poorest villages in the rural areas. They are given temporary visas to work for that summer and these Thai people are super hardworking. They work crazy long hours harvesting berries all day because they can earn in one month what they can earn in a whole year in rural Thailand - the Finnish employers pay them by weight, the more you harvest, the more you earn. So it's a mutually beneficial arrangement, the Thais who pick berries can go home, build nice houses, pay for their children's education and then not have to work from dawn to dusk for the rest of the year, some can even have the capital to set up a small business. They do it for a few years whilst they're young enough to set them up for life, but it is so lucrative that many keep doing it into their 40s and 50s, until they literally can't do that kind of hard labour anymore. The Thais hate Finland - it is too cold (even in summer it can drop to single digits), unfamiliar food, huge language barrier as the Thais don't even speak English but that's a great arrangement. The Thai migrant workers show up at Helsinki airport for the flight home with huge smiles on their faces knowing they have earned a lot of money and can't wait to go home to their families - this is quite unlike the migrants who show up on the southern border of America with Mexico chasing the American dream. Now those migrants have absolutely no intention of ever returning back to their countries of origin and want to make America their new home. So I think the Finnish berry picking model is a good one as everyone involved is happy - the Thais fight tooth and nail to get onto that programme, the Finnish berry companies have plenty of berries to bring to the market that summer and we the consumers in Europe get cheaper fruit that summer. Everyone involved in that process is happy. Sure the conditions are harsh in Finland for the berry pickers but the Thai migrant workers work so crazy hard in a way the locals never will because they have the chance to earn so much money, so they are not complaining about being exploited.

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    18. On the issue of youth unemployment, it's not as bad as you think - allow me to explain. It tends to be a regional problem: young people are unlikely to find work in rural areas where the economy isn't as diverse, rural economies tend to be dominated by agriculture and if you wanna become an IT professional, then you have no opportunities. Such young people would then tend to move to the big cities to seek further education and better employment opportunities. Countries like Spain and Italy are within the EU and if you're in some rural part of Spain where the local economy is mainly based on agriculture then the sensible thing to do is to just accept that you have to move to a big city to pursue your dreams if you don't wanna become a farmer. However, that's easier said than done because when these young people are at home with their parents - they have a roof over their heads and there are 3 meals a day. If they move to the city, they lose all that and they probably have to work their butts off to make ends meet in an expensive big city.

      So they have a choice: stay in the rural part of Spain and become a farmer (whilst living with your parents) or bite the bullet, move to the city for a better career and work crazy hard to make ends meet. But instead, these young people opt for a third option which is to stay at home with their parents and complain that there's no employment opportunities for young people in rural Spain. I roll my eyes and I say, the train station is that way, the get on the next train to Madrid or Barcelona and I can even give you the train schedule. But no, they are completely unrealistic in their expectations of what they want given to them and they choose to be unemployed not because the state gives such great unemployment benefits, but their parents are so generous. It's a cultural thing in Southern Europe from Spain to Italy to Greece whereas in the UK or Sweden, their parents would have kicked them out a long time ago. "You're an adult and you still expect me to support you? Get outta here, go get a job you lazy bum." So this problem of youth unemployment can be solved with some tough love, it is not rocket science.

      As for Omicron, our cases per day have been falling rapidly for over a week - the peak has passed and I can't say that the Omicron wave is over per se, but at least things are improving rapidly day by day here in the UK.

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    19. I guess the Singapore system is okay provided the workers make a decent amount and get to go home happy. But there should be better worker protections to ensure workers aren't exploited in a situation similar to Qatar in construction for the 2022 world cup, which tends to happen when workers aren't allowed to change jobs as easily. It doesn't tend to occur in white collar jobs as often, but happens more often with blue collar jobs. Oh well I suppose no system is perfect, and the poor who are citizens are also in a bad situation. I can't believe "zero hours contracts" are even legal in the UK, but then again they are also legal in the US.

      Oh so the southern Europeans are very "Asian" in that regard haha. I remember talking to my Dutch friend who mentioned she was born and raised in Amsterdam and still lives there, but she has her own apartment and so as her sister even though their parents still live in Amsterdam. But in Asia if someone is born in a rural part of the country they will leave and migrate to cities for work, because surviving is more important than staying home with family.

      It's good they're not locking down the country. All seems safe for those who are vaccinated.

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    20. The system in Singapore can be improved, of course - I'd like to see much better contracts and working conditions for the migrant workers. The pandemic highlighted the terrible conditions in the workers' dormitories and how that allowed the virus to spread so quickly there. No system is perfect and a system is only as good as the people who run that system - I'm not saying the Finnish system is perfect either but at least we can see how different countries are handling the matter using different solutions and we can try to see which methods are better.

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  2. Hi Alex. Another thing that I would like to add is that there is a certain among of risk taking, and EQ needed to do something radically different that would hopefully pay off. People like Charles can't afford to do this as they tend be bogged down with family commitments, and can't risk suffering a loss of income and time while retraining for another career path. Vera on the other hand being free from such commitments, took the plunge but failed to observe that a career in photography is not lucrative, and is better off as a hobby. By this virtue, she is also stuck in a perpetual cycle of poverty like Charles, as she seems to think with her heart and not her head. Only Jeff with his street smarts and natural salesmanship has managed to break the cycle. He knew exactly where he could rake in the money, so his risk taking on the other hand paid off.

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    1. Thanks for your comment Ayhtas. Well Charles has prevented himself from changing careers by having children - that meant he cannot ever stop working to put food on the table to support his family no matter how terrible his working conditions become. Vera rolled the dice with photography and even if she has both the interest and the talent, she ignored the crucial fact that it is really hard to make a living as a photographer and few photographers even manage to make ends meet doing photography full time (never mind become rich). Anyway with her, I just back off - she is not prepared to listen to me so I don't wanna pressure her into doing something more pragmatic as I'm not looking for an argument. Jeff didn't really take that much risk because he entered a profession that's been around forever, people have always needed a place to live, a roof over their heads and estate agents have always been the middlemen in that process. It's not like he got involved in some cryptocurrency investment platform that's going to change the way we spend our wealth - nope, he actually took very little risk in choosing something quite old fashioned and conservative, but it worked out very well for him in the end.

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  3. Well, couldn't write so much and good compared to others here.
    Let me summarise together what are important for social mobility, have a good life and make good money with savings.

    1) Disciplines
    a. Accept reality
    b. Delay happiness and satisfaction
    c. Accept responsibility for your own life
    d. Keep mind peaceful

    2) Read books widely

    3) Build good valuable connections

    4) Read good blogs and YouTube videos

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  4. There is a very nice article by Mike Walsh : BEWARE THE ALGORITHMIC INEQUALITY TRAP. In it, he sites the below example.

    Charlie Bell, former CEO of McDonalds, started as a crew member flipping burgers. Mary Barra, chairman and CEO of General Motors, started on the assembly line. Doug McMillon, CEO of Walmart, started in a distribution center.
    By comparison, how many Uber drivers do you think will ever have the chance to attain a managerial position at the company, let alone run the ride-sharing giant? How many future top Amazon executives will start their careers by delivering packages or stacking shelves?
    Here’s the problem: There’s a “code ceiling” that prevents career advancement — irrespective of gender or race — because, in an AI-powered organization, junior employees and freelancers rarely interact with other human co-workers. Instead, they are managed by algorithms.

    That is the problem faced by many workers today. No way up the ladder.

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  5. There is a very nice article by Mike Walsh : BEWARE THE ALGORITHMIC INEQUALITY TRAP. In it, he sites the below example.

    Charlie Bell, former CEO of McDonalds, started as a crew member flipping burgers. Mary Barra, chairman and CEO of General Motors, started on the assembly line. Doug McMillon, CEO of Walmart, started in a distribution center.
    By comparison, how many Uber drivers do you think will ever have the chance to attain a managerial position at the company, let alone run the ride-sharing giant? How many future top Amazon executives will start their careers by delivering packages or stacking shelves?
    Here’s the problem: There’s a “code ceiling” that prevents career advancement — irrespective of gender or race — because, in an AI-powered organization, junior employees and freelancers rarely interact with other human co-workers. Instead, they are managed by algorithms.

    That is the problem faced by many workers today. No way up the ladder.

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    1. Hi and thanks for your comment. The problem is that for every 100 assembly line workers in the factory, there are like 10 in middle level management and 1 managing director - it's that pyramid structure which has come to dominate a lot of businesses. You need many poorly paid workers at the bottom of the food chain whilst there are only very, very few opportunities for those in management but it is obvious that those at the bottom earn very little whilst it is those at the top who get very rich. Can those at the bottom work their way to the top? No, because we're playing a game of musical chairs with each round of advancement. You're familiar with the children's game musical chairs - a group of 10 children start off the game with 9 chairs and when the music starts, the children walk, dance or run around the chairs but once the music stops, you have to find a chair to sit down on and there will be 1 child with no chair and that child will leave the game. One more chair will be removed before we proceed with the next round and so at each round, one child will be eliminated from the game. For every one child that emerges champion at the end of all that competing, nine children have to lose. This is brutal but a very accurate reflection of why the system is so difficult for those at the bottom to try to find any kind of advancement - most will lose and be unable to progress to the next round; thus in the real world, that means being stuck at the same pay until they become too old to work anymore.

      I wouldn't want to blame AI or any kind of code for this because this pyramid structure had existed long before IT and AI came along to deal with those at the bottom of the food chain. The kind of free market economy we are used to is structured such that a small number at the top of the pyramid get very rich whilst the majority stay poor. That's the harsh reality that has faced people back in the 1920s, a hundred years ago before we even know of the concept of AI and nothing has changed in a hundred years. Blaming AI is a red-herring because AI didn't cause the problem, the problem had been there all along. It is about those at the top who are rich being very selfish and refusing to help those lower down the food chain. The root of the problem is this human wickedness and selfishness, not AI.

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    2. Does AI make the problem worse? Yes it does, but even if we destroyed all forms of AI and reverted back to a form of production using 1920s technology, the problem of wealth inequality where the rich get richer and the poor stay very poor is still there because this inequality has been around for centuries. The only real attempt by human societies to get rid of it was by embracing socialism and communism, to create a more equal society by getting rid of social classes, by reorganizing the means of production so as to be able to share more equally but that never worked out for a simple reason: humans are inherently evil and corrupt. We're not good, our nature is to be selfish and evil. That's why even in supposedly socialist countries like North Korea and Venezuela, the ruling class is ridiculous rich whilst the ordinary folks are dying of starvation and malnutrition. Even when some idealistic person comes along with a plan make society more equal by giving us a road map to a more equal society, darn it us humans are just too evil and corrupt to follow through with it. That's why I always believe that the only way to thrive in this society populated by very evil and selfish people is to make sure you can always take care of yourself (and your family) rather than expect others to be kind or fair - let's face it, the majority of people out there are evil and selfish.

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