Hi there guys, I would like to do a follow up on what it means to be working class given the popularity of my last post on the subject. Today, I am going to focus on one very specific aspect of the issue - the very definition of what it means to be working class. The world has changed so much within my lifetime that traditional definitions of the working class no longer apply - so back in the day, if you were working class, it meant you were employed in an unskilled or lowly-skilled (also sometimes referred to as semi-skilled) profession. It implied that working class people were not educated enough (or at all) thus they had to use their muscles to make a living rather than their brains. So to give you an example from Singapore's history, a hundred years ago in 1921, when Singapore was a thriving port, the big ships would anchor just outside the mouth of the Singapore river, the goods would then be taken in smaller boats to the shores of the Singapore river where the goods would be unloaded off the boats by labourers and stored in the warehouses. This process was very labour intensive and relied on a virtually endless supply of men willing to do hard labour for very little money - these men were known as coolies and the word 'coolie' is thought to have originated from Chinese as the word '苦力' is pronounced 'kuli' and it means "hard labour". It was a very hard life for the coolies back in those days but they had little choice but to do this backbreaking hard work because they were simply not educated enough to do any other kind of job. Thus the coolie will be your stereotypical working class labourer - much of Singapore was built using such coolie labour.
Let's fast forward to this present day and Singapore is still one of the world's busiest ports in 2021 but the whole process has been mechanized and made a lot more efficient. Most of the goods are loaded up in containers and these containers are taken off the tankers by cranes, even when the containers are finally opened up for unloading, often it will be machines like forklifts doing a lot of the heavy lifting - so the forklift will take the heavy boxes of goods out of the container and load them onto a lorry which will then bring these goods to their next destination. So at no point would a human actually lift anything using his muscles - instead the entire process has been mechanized as we have super efficient machines that can now do this job far quicker and more efficiently than humans. So let's talk about one the the workers involved in this supply chain: is the forklift driver working class? Well if we were to compare him to your coolie from way back in 1921, then he doesn't seem to be. In sharp contrast to your coolie, our forklift driver has received some education but to be fair, it is virtually impossible to find anyone who is totally uneducated these days. Likewise, our forklift driver has received some training and I couldn't do that job without first having received the requisite training to operate a forklift, thus it is not an unskilled job by that definition. Certainly, if we asked the forklift driver, he would probably insist that the technical nature of his job would class him as a skilled worker and so according to the traditional definition, then he wouldn't be considered 'working class' at all. But if we do not even consider a forklift driver working class, then actually we're left with the situation where very few professions today could be considered properly 'working class' jobs.
Let's take another profession we're all familiar with and analyse it: would you consider a taxi driver a working class job? Allow me to tell you about a taxi ride I had in Singapore on my last trip there in 2018 - I was meeting up with my sister and she was running late, so she got a taxi (I think she used Grab). So when my sister showed up in a nice car, at first I thought it was her friend giving her a lift because the lady driving the car spoke to me in fluent English which wasn't what I would expect of a taxi driver. I then talked to her about living in England and it turns out that she attended university in the UK as well. Now she didn't come across as particularly working class at all - she has a degree from a British university but she was driving a taxi (oh that confused me but I didn't dare to ask her why).Now you could also argue that this wasn't an unskilled job - you need a license to drive a car, you need to know how to operate the app to find your next passenger and you need social skills when interacting with your passengers so they will leave you a good review. If we went back to 1921, the equivalent of a taxi in Singapore would have been either a trishaw or a rickshaw - those were powered by muscle and not machines (see video below) and it was bloody hard work; whereas my taxi driver was actually very fat given the fact that she was driving all day and not using her muscles to do her job. By that token, if we declare that forklift operators and taxi drivers are no longer 'working class', then who is working class anymore in 2021?
Let's look at the barriers to entry for each job: it takes on average about 3 to 5 days to complete your basic training to become a forklift driver - that's a ridiculously low barrier to entry compared to a doctor or a lawyer, who would have had to spend many years training to become qualified. This is of course reflected in the fact that a doctor and a lawyer earn a lot more than your average forklift driver because the very high barriers to entry for doctors and lawyers means that there aren't that many doctors and lawyers around - thus they get to command a much higher salary, this is economics 101: supply and demand. So could we can define working class jobs those with low levels of barriers to entry (such as a forklift driver) because this clearly differentiates them from the lawyers and doctors of this world? Perhaps, but then again, this doesn't work with my job! Putting my fancy job title aside, I essentially work in sales and one of my colleagues is a 23 year old guy (whom I have referred to as 'young Dave' in another post) and he has earned about US$1.66 million in commissions in one sale just last month and he's expected to make even more in September. Dave doesn't have a degree - he just looked at the prospect of university and said, "fuck it, I'm smarter than all of those losers who end up as teaching staff at a university, what can they possibly teach me when I'm far smarter than them?!" And he's right, he is earning far more than his peers who went to top university (he's certainly earning more than me) with no formal qualifications beyond his A levels; he has a lot of raw business acumen and great social skills, but so few people can do what young Dave does. There are few barriers to entry in sales but you need to be exceptional to earn as much as Dave.
We need a new way to classify jobs into 'working class jobs' given the way it is virtually impossible to find a worker who is completely unskilled these days and I do have a suggestion. There is a Chinese saying, "轮不到你开口" - it literally means "it is not your turn to speak" but it means shut up, nobody gives a shit what you have to say because you're a nobody. That sounds harsh but you get the idea. A very simple example of how this works in the real world is in the army: so when the commanding officer gives an order to a lower-ranking soldier, he isn't looking for a discussion, he doesn't want any kind of feedback or suggestions - no, the only acceptable response is "yes sir" and then do as you have been instructed. Now let's look at a job where you have to follow instructions: if you worked in the kitchens of a McDonald's restaurant, you would have to follow recipes to make the burgers on the menu and you would not have the chance to improvise or try to create new burgers! No, it is a 轮不到你开口 situation. You're not a chef at a Michelin-star restaurant who is tasked with creating special dishes for the VIP guests, no you're working at McDonald's. I also remember an incident at my local supermarket where the manager angrily scolded a new guy who not following instructions - the manager had told the new guy how she wanted him to arrange the products on the shelves but the new guy didn't follow her instructions. He improvised and she got extremely angry, yelling at him in the middle of the supermarket, "take it all down, then do it again, do it the way I told you to! And next time I give you instructions you make sure you pay attention!"
There is a hierarchy in every organization whether you're talking about the army, a fast food restaurant or a supermarket. The closer you are to the top, the more responsibility you will have and the more decisions you would have to make. But the closer you are to the bottom, the less power you have to make any kind of decision and for many in this position, it is a case of 轮不到你开口 - just shut up and do as you're told. So with my new definition of the working class in 2021, it depends on whether or not you're in a 轮不到你开口 situation at work all the time (whereby you're expected to just follow instructions) or if you are the one issuing instructions to others or working very autonomously without anyone giving you instructions. Are you trusted like an adult to make any decisions or are you denied any decision making privileges? Let's look at the situation in the supermarket to analyze a classic example of a typical working class job. Having every worker simply obey instructions and do as they are told can be an extremely efficient way of running a big supermarket - contrast this to the situation whereby everyone has the right to make decisions, too much time would be wasted when inexperienced workers make poor decisions or waste too much time trying to work out what the right decision should be. Such an approach is a necessary evil: if you are striving to achieve consistency and a certain standard across all supermarkets, then you have to quash any power by individuals working there to make decisions that could make the supermarket deviate from the corporate image that has to be fully uniform across every single supermarket in the chain.
This does have its downsides of course, workers in such situations feel like they have no decision making powers whatsoever and it can be disheartening to be in that kind of situation. In a supermarket, all staff have to wear a uniform to work - there are strict rules about what their attire and appearance. They have to stick to their work schedule and even their breaks are determined by that schedule. I was at my local supermarket when a customer was arguing with the cashier - the customer had bought a packet of biscuits which she didn't need and wanted a refund but she had lost the receipt. The customer insisted, "I was here earlier this afternoon, you were the cashier who served me, surely you remember me? I don't have the receipt but as you can see that this product is clearly from your supermarket." The cashier didn't have the authority to offer a refund or exchange without a receipt, so the cashier had to say, "please bear with me, let me get my manager to help you." Unfortunately for the cashier, the manager was busy so the customer was kept waiting for a while which displeased the customer. So the customer started complaining, "you're telling me, they don't allow you to make a simple decision like that, even for that small amount of money? That if you gave me a refund without your manager's permission, then they would sack you for that - you would lose your job?" The cashier then said point blank to the customer, "yes, that's exactly the case. I am not allowed to do that." The customer then rolled her eyes at the cashier and said, "how old are you? You must be at least 40? Maybe 45? And you let them treat you like a young child at work? Only children are not allowed to do anything without asking for their parents' or the teachers' permission."
It was a cruel comment to that cashier but unfortunately that was true - that cashier was being treated like a child at work. So by extension, the question about decision making powers is more about whether or not you're treated like a child or an adult at work and so the working class today like that cashier are treated like children at work. This doesn't necessarily mean that all people in this position earn very little, allow me to deal with a profession which is rather well paid but they have no decision making powers at all. Train drivers may command a respectable salary in the UK but they have zero decision making powers. To begin with, they can't even wear what they like to work - they have a uniform that they must wear. They have to undergo training to learn how to operate a train and they have to do exactly what they've been instructed to do when driving a train. They're given a work schedule and have to drive the trains according to the time table which they have no say over. Even if there is an emergency, say there is a landslide and the track ahead is blocked - the standard protocol in such a situation is to contact someone a lot more senior to report the incident and await further instructions. The train driver would never have the right to make any kind of decision in that kind of situation as any change to the train's plans would affect other trains on the network; so all decision making during an emergency has to be centralized. This makes our train driver no different from the cashier who had to ask for her manager's permission before giving the customer a refund, even if the train driver is paid a lot more than a supermarket cashier but they are both effectively treated like children at work - even if the train driver has far more complex instructions to follow.
Now you may ask me, hey Alex, you think you're so freaking intelligent and you work in banking, but don't you also have a boss who would tell you what to do at work? Well yes, I do have a boss and he does give me 'instructions' at work but they usually involve some kind of problem solving like, "hey Alex, we have a big problem that needs solving, I don't have the solution but I expect you to solve it by November." Allow me to give you one such 'instruction': my company had created a Shariah-compliant product to target Muslim investors in the Middle East but somehow it has not been as popular as we had hoped, sales for this product have been disappointing compared to all of our other products so I was tasked with finding out why this product has been performing poorly and come up with a plan to fix the situation. So sure, I was told what needed to be done but I sure as hell have not been told how to do it. Oh I am expected to do my own research into the Islamic banking market in the Middle East and get the help I need (for example, by speaking to experts in the field) in order to deliver my solution. So contrast this challenge with the man working in the kitchens of a McDonald's restaurant preparing the various burgers: he simply needs to follow the recipe given to him for each burger and just do as he is told (ie. how many burgers to make, what time to make them etc). I get instructions from my boss but they are very different in nature compared to those in typical working class jobs, that's why I am paid a lot more than people who work in the supermarkets or fast food restaurants: they're not expected to solve complex problems but I am.
The problem with this definition is that incompetent people can treat a job which requires serious problem solving skills as one where they simply follow instructions. Teaching is one such example: if you get a class of brilliant and enthusiastic students who have already done all their reading prior to stepping into your classroom, then teaching them would be so easy. But if you have a mixed ability class with some students who are struggling because they have learning difficulties, then the teacher has to figure out how to communicate that knowledge with the weaker students and that can be a really hard challenge. I have tried everything I can to help my nephew with his A level economics and quite frankly, I'm not sure I'm the best person for the job, but at least I am making a genuine effort; unlike his awful teacher at school, who has no desire to help my nephew and is quite happy to let him fail the subject. Her way of dealing with weaker students is to simply punish them by giving them more homework instead of taking the time to give them more personal attention and help - she is such a shockingly incompetent teacher who has a terrible attitude towards her responsibilities at work. Such is the problem when you put very working class people in jobs where you actually have to think and use your brains to come up with a unique solution to the problem - such working class people are unable to do that and simply default to cookie-cutter solutions rather than invent a bespoke solution. Thus my nephew's economics teacher is so atrociously bad at her job is because she has such a typical working class mindset; she is better off making burgers McDonald's than teaching, if she is neither prepared to do nor capable of delivering what is required of her as a teacher.
So allow me to talk about another job which by this definition is so working class but you wouldn't normally associate it with working class folks: acting. When you're on set, the director calls the shots - the actors are completely in a 轮不到你开口 situation because you're often battling against time: you have two hours to shoot this scene at the location before the sun sets and if everyone starts offering their opinions and starting a discussion about how the scene should be performed, then you will never ever get anything done if you start asking everyone for their opinions! No, instead to actually complete the shoot in time and to work most efficiently, the golden rule is that everyone has got to be like a soldier in the army whereby the only acceptable response is "yes sir" when you're given an instruction by the director and you never ever open your mouth, you never ever say anything back and abide by the 轮不到你开口 rule. Sometimes you may be asked for your opinion and you're only allowed to offer it if invited to do so, but otherwise the rule of 轮不到你开口 is the default position for everyone. However, acting is not a profession that we would normally associate with anyone working class because of the very high barriers of entry - training at the top drama schools can be very expensive and you face a period of economic uncertainty as a young actor with little experience, so unless you have rich parents who are willing to support you through this period, this is an option not available for working class kids. Yet for the rich kids who go into acting, they're forced to adapt to a 轮不到你开口 environment, even if that's not the way they normally think.
Thus I want to point out that there's nothing really wrong with the 轮不到你开口 mindset - it is simply a ruthlessly efficient way to get things done when you are working with a big group of people. By the same token, the phrase 'too many cooks spoil the broth' comes to mind when you end up in a situation where everyone is allowed to offer their opinion and you can never ever get anything done if you're trying to please everyone like that. Let me give you an example of how this could be a problem. My company decided to communicate with our clients with a newsletter and so this task was given to our creative agency who came up with what looked to me like a fairly standard corporate newsletter - nothing all that exciting but it was exactly what one would expect. Our designer then went round asking everyone for their opinion and I thought, great - I feel like part of the team now, I shall make useful suggestions and be very helpful. To be fair, I'm really great at things like that and I even got our designer to change the main graphic on the front page of the newsletter because I found all kinds of faults with the original image he had chosen, but because it involved a black man, I don't think anyone in the office (who incidentally, are all white - once again I am the only non-white person in the company) dared to object to it lest they came across as racist. I pointed out that it was nothing to do with the model's skin colour but the way he was poorly dressed and that was why this image simply didn't send out the right kind of corporate image for us. But that simple newsletter took weeks to prepare because the designer wanted to involve everyone and he was trying to please everyone in the company with the final product, so that was a classic case of "too many cooks spoil the broth"!
So what determines whether you end up in a 轮不到你开口 working class job or a professional role where you're counted upon for your opinions, ideas and problem solving skills? This does boil down to one's education and this is when I get incredibly frustrated with my nephew's situation. He is your typical Singaporean student who is so hardworking but doesn't score well in the exams because he isn't trained in critical thinking - my regular readers will know that I am currently helping tutor him for his A level economics exam and don't get me wrong, he studies very hard, oh he is far more hardworking than I ever was. But he is merely memorizing the entire textbook and all of his revision notes, so if a question requires him to regurgitate something from the textbook, he can do that perfectly but if it requires him to exercise critical thinking - to apply a concept he has learnt to a case study, that's when it all falls apart for him. You can't get through A levels simply by memorizing your textbook without understanding the syllabus. His education has prepared him for a very working class job, where he would obediently follow instructions but with that kind of mindset, he can at best do a job like a train driver, where he has to memorize complex instructions instead of doing a job like mine, where I am paid to be creative, inventive and solve complex problems. This is why I am scornful about just how poorly Singaporean students perform in the working world despite being seemingly brilliant academically - the whole education system is run by teachers and bureaucrats who would never ever survive a day in the harsh, competitive business world.
The irony of course is that my nephew's parents are not working class at all - they both have pretty good jobs and earn a lot more money than your average working class person in Singapore. So money isn't an issue here - they could have easily paid for my nephew to get a much better education than the one that he is getting in Singapore currently (be it by sending him abroad or going to an international school in Singapore). However, they made the foolish mistake of having too much faith in the Singaporean system (oh that's so Singaporean). Are there enough jobs out there for every single student to become decision making bosses? Of course not, think about a big business like a supermarket chain: the vast majority of the staff simply put on their uniforms, turn up at work and simply do as they're told, obeying the instructions they are given; they are never asked for their opinions or ideas and the only people who do make strategic decisions about the business strategy are those in senior management, who represent a tiny proportion of the total workforce in that business. Thus the Singaporean system could even be described as realistic and pragmatic as there are very few jobs available in senior management and so by default, most people are going to end up in very working class positions where all they have to do is follow the instructions they are given. So if my nephew is not in the top 1% or even the top 5% of his cohort, then by default, his education ought to prepare him for a working class role - to simply be an obedient soldier who simply takes orders and follow instructions as his fate is to be a worker ant as he is not destined for senior management. Whilst this may sound awfully harsh to most parents, if I were to take a step back and conveniently ignore the fact that we're talking about my nephew here, this does sound like a rather pragmatic way to deal with this situation.
So there you go, that's it from me on this topic - what do you think? What does it mean to be working class in 2021? Do you have any real decision making powers in your job? Would you have a problem putting on a uniform and working in a 轮不到你开口 environment where you were simply expected to follow instructions? Would you react to the 轮不到你开口 proposition by saying, "phew, thank goodness, making difficult decisions would stress me out, I'd rather just be told what to do," or would you say, "I'm educated, intelligent, bursting with business acumen and so experienced, how dare they treat me like a dumb kid who can't be trusted?" Are there more useful or accurate methods to define who is working class in the world today? Would you consider yourself 'working class'? Leave a comment below and many thanks for reading.
Hey Alex, great post on how we need to redefine the words "working class" in the 21st century. I wouldn't say working class jobs traditionally only required physical strength, as one also had to know how to follow instructions even though this seems like a given. In the 21st century working class jobs require even less than physical strength because of the machines. A cashier still has to follow instructions, but now doesn't have to be super strong too.
ReplyDeleteYou mentioned that education doesn't necessarily mean "not working class." Now let's look at the most extreme version that proves this - adjunct professors. Because universities love cutting costs in America(and inflating tuition), there is a recent trend of hiring professors on a part-time basis to teach classes. These part-time profs must have a minimum of a PhD degree which takes on average 10 years of tertiary education to obtain, and they are paid on average $24k USD/year with no benefits(health insurance, sick leave, etc.). For comparison, a forklift driver in America makes on average $28k/year. Why is there such a disparity? Well there are just too many people getting PhDs, and the minute one person quits another is ready to take their place. I think its just insanity, but many people who do a PhD only went into it because they didn't know what job they wanted to work as and didn't feel ready to enter the workforce after undergrad. The dumb thing is these people don't even think they're working class just because they are highly educated. It just shows that a degree is just a piece of paper, and someone like young Dave is way better off because he has as versatile set of transferrable skills and is not willing to work for peanuts.
Hi Amanda, thanks for your comment There's now a near complete separation of working class jobs and actual physical labour because of machines. In fact, in many places like warehouses and supermarkets, staff are specifically banned from using their muscles to lift heavy objects because of possible injuries sustained in the process - instead, they are supposed to use machines like forklifts to do such heavy lifting. In my local supermarket, I've seen how they do this in the loading bay: so the lorries arrive in the loading bay with huge boxes which are offloaded with forklifts, the forklifts then takes them to another area where the boxes are opened and then the staff are allowed to take smaller, less heavy units out of the boxes to avoid sustaining any kind of injury. This is why there's the epidemic of working class obesity: in the UK and US, the lower your social class, the more likely you are to become obese. This is because rich folks have the time and money for sports and fitness, whilst your forklift driver and supermarket cashiers are sitting on their fat asses all day doing virtually no exercise but they can afford all kinds of unhealthy snacks. This is not like the situation in Africa where the working class stay thin because they can't afford enough food - in America, your average forklift driver can buy loads of unhealthy food and eat till he becomes morbidly obese.
DeleteAs for the PhD situation - simple, it's supply and demand. Who needs another professor in English literature who knows everything about Shakespeare? Nope, we actually need more forklift drivers working in warehouses. In fact, in the UK, we have a shortage of HGV drivers so lorry drivers can now earn a pretty respectable living because this has driven their wages way up and whilst you may still consider this a typically working class job, they are paid so much more than PhD student. I think it takes a bit of common sense and maturity to figure out that how much you earns depends entirely on what people are willing to pay you whilst these people who go do PhDs in obscure niche areas are guilty of navel gazing. Go figure.
Oh yeah obesity is a huge problem among the working class. I can't count the number of obese cashiers and bus drivers I see in America. Meanwhile the rich people are off playing tennis or using the gym and staying slim. However, the middle class is also getting obese too, so it's not just a working class issue.
DeleteNah I know that typical PhD students are paid only slightly above minimum wage. But also the demand in niche fields seems inflated by the tuition dollars of undergrads choosing a niche field for fun. It doesn't sound as essential as people needing groceries and are willing to pay for a forklift driver to stock their shelves. I think education only applies the illusion of middle class stability for a lot of people. It gives you a cushy air-conditioned desk in a shiny university, you don't need to wear a uniform or a name tag, and there are flexible office hours. Almost sounds like your job without the room service and ridiculously high pay.
Also I think the reason why some people will eschew a forklift job in favor of doing a PhD in a niche field is because of a phenomena known as the "skills trap." Good entry level jobs don't need to pay that well, but they need to provide training such that the young worker could obtain better paying higher skilled jobs in the future. This is why junior doctors in the NHS are only paid 12 pounds an hour, because they are learning a lot whilst working in the hospital for the first time, and their salary will balloon much more with experience. With a PhD people at least think they are learning something valuable that they hope will lead to a better job. But with forklift driving since it only takes 5 days to learn how to operate, there doesn't seem to be much room for growth, even if there is more demand.
Well obesity is a massive problem in Europe too and it disproportionately affects the working class and there's another dimension to it. If you are working in a job where you are repeating the same task over and over and over again, all day - imagine a forklift driver whose sole job is to unload lorries from the loading bay to the storeroom, boredom kicks in pretty quickly. The forklift driver cannot chat to his colleagues as his forklift is constantly on the move, he can't listen to music as he needs to be aware of what is going on around him so the only thing he can do is have loads of sugary high-calorie snacks in the forklift with him so throughout his shift, he can stuff loads of delicious candies in his mouth. Eating something delicious like candy can certainly help alleviate the boredom and that's another reason why working class people like forklift drivers are so fat.
DeleteAre there rich people who are fat? Oh yes there are, it is a constant battle to keep the fat off when you get older and I think some older people just give up, the lure of good food and drink is simply too much for them to resist so they just indulge and get awfully fat. That doesn't matter whether you're rich or thin. I know this really rich couple where both the husband and the wife are so ridiculously fat and surely they have enough money to employ personal trainers and dieticians/nutritionists but who knows, I pretend I don't notice how fat they are.
Oh and name tags. Good grief. I feel sorry for people who have to wear a name tag at work. I think PhD students put the horse before the cart: I knew of this guy who was doing a PhD in such a niche area of English literature (ie. the literature from a number of Caribbean islands like Trinidad & Tobago, St Lucia, Jamaica and Bahamsas) and I'm like, great, all that effort in such a niche area? How are you going to pay the bills - like the best case scenario is if you can be employed as a teacher in the English department in some university but how many jobs are there in that field? He was literally waiting for someone to die or retire before he could get a job like that, but he did it because he genuinely liked literature and thought he was good at it. Navel gazing much?
If you have a family to feed, bills to pay and debts to clear, you'll do a 5-day forklift driver training course and start working, so you will have cash in your hands before the end of the week. But if you're in a more comfortable position to get some training which will enable you to do a more highly skilled job, then in the long run, sure you will end up making a lot more than the forklift driver. People with rich parents have that option to pick the delayed gratification route whilst people from working class families tend to default to jobs where they can get paid work quickly after very little training, hence the forklift driver job case study is a perfect example of the kind of work that working class people end up doing. In the short run, they think oh this is great, after just 5 days I'm qualified, working and earning money. After 5 years, they realize holy shit, I'm bored and there's no career progression at all with the forklift. I'm going to be doing this job until the day I finally retire.
I didn't think of the boredom aspect with regards to putting on weight. In a middle class job one at least has toilet breaks to play mobile games or watch youtube when the boss isn't watching. Yeah there are rich people who are fat, and its usually married couples who no longer need to look good to attract someone. Also this is only for occupations that don't require good looks. A movie producer can afford to be fat, but a movie star can't(unless you're James Corden).
DeleteYeah, we've never had to wear either a uniform or a name tag. We're around people who bother to get to know us and remember our name when they need help from us. In the case of someone at a supermarket, you may need help from them but you don't know them long enough to remember their name but need a name to call hence the need for name tags.
So I get a lot of stick from the other people in academia for thinking about job prospects after graduation. And their go-to line is "not everything needs to be about money, some of us are doing a PhD because we love learning", or even "you shouldn't pick your projects to impress someone else, you should pick them only to impress yourself." Oh by all means learn all you want, but don't complain if the job prospects aren't great after graduation or attack other people who do have good jobs. These are also the kinds of people who say "the world should adopt communism instead of capitalism so everyone can do whatever they want without working" to excuse their entitled behavior. Food grows on trees but they certainly don't fall off them and fly into people's mouths.
Ah yes you've talked about this before with short term vs. long term thinking in the working class mindset. A kid from a rich family is not going to mind making 12 pound/hour as a junior doctor, and even the negative pound/hour whilst studying at medical school. Meanwhile, a working class kid thinks that 4 years is way too long to start earning and will prefer 5 days even if the payout is smaller. But also, what do you think of working class people who start families young? Because I was raised upper-middle class, for us it was the norm to start a family at minimum age 30 after one has a degree, a spouse, a good career, and enough money saved up to get on the property ladder. But when I see people having kids during undergrad or even high school, I just don't understand the logic. But when you bring up short term vs long term thinking with regards to the forklift driving, I get it. Having a child at 20 vs having a child at 30 is analogous to start earning money as a forklift driver at 16 instead of earning money as a full-fledged doctor at 26. Obviously delaying the reward is better, but that assumes future things are certain, and for the working class the future is always uncertain.
Oh let me admit to this, I often use the voice-to-text function when I am on my phone and I would leave the office so as not to disturb my colleagues when I do that - we have 'phone booths' in our building, these are like tiny rooms with one comfortable chair. The idea is that you take your phone in there and talk away without disturbing others. I would go there and take a short nap - everyone would think I had just been on a phone call with the clients. But people like me, we get away with things like that. I sometimes do a bit of online shopping as well when I am bored and I spend way too much money that way.
DeleteAs for people with such mindsets ref the PhD issue, I've met people like that before but it's more in terms of politics. They have a certain vision about how they want society to be run and if they don't get what they want, it's everyone else's fault. They don't realize it's a democracy and if you want people to do what you say, then you can go out there and change their minds, convince them that you have a better idea. No, but instead they bitch and moan, blame people, blame the government, blame society whilst doing nothing to try to win hearts and minds. It just boils down to poor social skills and a complete inability to consider another person's point of view. When you meet people like that Amanda, you just have to cut your losses and keep your distance.
As for why working class people start families younger, there are a few reasons. Firstly, if your parents and your peers have made getting married early the norm, then it's not that unusual to do so if everyone around you is doing just that. Secondly, certainly in the UK and many European countries, lower-income families get some kind of child benefit subsidy payment from the government when they have a baby, so for people like us, a couple of hundred dollars/pounds a month is nothing - it's not enough of an incentive for us to wanna go through the hassle of having a baby but for these people, even £200 a month is a helluva lot of money. Then there is the concept of opportunity cost: if you had a lucrative, exciting career where you were hoping on a private jet to close that deal in New York, then off to a party in Paris - why would you give that lifestyle up to have a baby? But if you are a forklift driver or a cashier at the local supermarket bored out of your mind, then having babies to become a stay at home mum becomes a far more attractive prospect because you get to escape that dreadful job.
I'm LoL-ing at using a phone booth to take a nap. At least there's a non see-through door covering the booth so nobody can catch you napping.
DeleteYeah I've made a mental note to avoid certain people in life, especially the ones who claim to be communist. There are also people who demand governments implement universal basic income or UBI. I'm not totally republican, in fact I do support some form of social welfare, especially for children, the elderly, or the disabled. But certainly not for an able bodied person in their 20s who thinks they should be entitled to do nothing but read Shakespeare and get paid for it.
$200 is seriously nothing... Its not even 10% of minimum wage. To me that sounds more like a pet allowance than a budget for a child. But then again I have the privilege of spending time on gaining more skills to make more money rather than raising a child as a young mother. But you're right that the concept of "party hard and enjoy your 20s" seems to only exist for middle and upper class people who can afford to go on foreign vacations. The working class can barely afford to pay rent let alone travel outside their own city.
Actually there is a glass panel on the door but I position the chair in a way so that people can't actually look in and see my face (ie. my eyes are closed and I'm fast asleep), they just see that there's somebody in there sitting in the chair. I'm quite happy to nap in a chair like that - it's just like being in a plane or a train and it's just for like 15 minutes or so. #powernap
DeleteAs for toxic people, leave them Amanda, don't get into an argument - just save your sanity and walk away from people like that. It is not worth it. This is why I barely ever speak to my own parents because unfortunately, they're in that category. I have other friends who bring me joy when I interact with them rather than just frustrate the hell out of me. As for 'party hard and enjoy your 20s', actually I struggled in my 20s - I had some terrible jobs upon leaving university and it wasn't until my 30s that I started making good money and I started really enjoying life in my late 30s and early 40s (then Covid hit hard). If you wanna party hard, you need money and I had to wait till I was earning good money before that could happen. But of course, once I started earning a lot of money, I was in a position to enjoy myself whilst most of my peers have become parents so they can hardly party the way I do.
Lol sneaky Alex. As long as your head isn't hunched over people won't notice.
DeleteYeah in life we try to be polite to everyone we meet, but sometimes people are just annoying and to be avoided.
Oh I don't mean one has to be super rich to party hard in their 20s. Just being able to do some occasional travel, sports, videogames, and trips with friends is enough. All that instead of having to take care of a kid at age 20 after only just after attaining independence 2 years ago. So my definition of party hard is just having no responsibilities while being financially independent from your parents. But in your case you sound like the junior doctor who had to spend a lot of time training and working not great jobs with I presume long hours or at least boring work before starting to earn a lot. By all means enjoy your newfound wealth in your 30s and 40s.
Well, I did have 'enjoying myself' in mind when I picked my career path - I wanted a good Big Mac Index, ie. I can earn plenty of £££$$$ every hour. So I remember years ago, I compared myself to my sister and she earned a little bit more than me in absolute terms but if you consider that she works 80-90 hours a week vs my 15-20 hours a week then, the Big Mac index then really shows that I'm actually much better off than she is because she has no time to enjoy spending that money she is earning whilst I may have earned a little less money than her but I have time to go do the things I really love, things that bring me joy and fulfillment. So it's not just wealth in absolute terms, it's also one's lifestyle and work-life balance too.
DeleteMind you, I now work anything from 20 to 30 hours a week and that's "full time" but let me give you an example of our Friday routine. I remember two Fridays ago, I went to do a conf call with a colleague in the meeting room - when I got back to my office it was empty at 12:30 pm. So I sat down at my desk and started doing my emails, then at 1 pm I got a text from my boss, "where are you? We're at the pub." So I turned up at the pub, had some lunch there and then promptly went back to the office after that - nobody else came back to the office with me. At which point, I thought, "I don't even need to go to the phone booth to nap, I can nap right here at my desk as I'm the only one here."
DeleteOh the Friday lunchtime pub thing is a company ritual, I actually like it because the pub does dim sum - I love their siew mai (pork dumplings), spring rolls, fried prawns, Thai fish cakes and chicken satay. There must be a Thai chef in the kitchen as the food is pretty darn authentic.
DeleteWhat kind of pub is this Alex? It sounds like some kinda deluxe pub if it serves dim sum. I would've eaten all the siumai, har-kaw, and chicken satay I could find if I worked a job like that.
DeleteYeah at the high end nobody cares when you come into work. My dad would wake up at 10am and work for 4-5 hours before working from home. He did business internationally so the timezones would make working strictly 9-5 impractical anyway. Sometimes things were really busy, other times we had a lot of time to take a long vacation.
Hmm, going back to the topic of the post about working class jobs. I guess working class jobs are jobs that have a direct proportional relation between money made for the company vs. time worked, so steps are taken to maximize the time worked vs. the time idled. In the case of being a salesperson working for some traders, there is no direct relation to money made vs time spent working, so there is no point investing in mechanisms to prevent a worker from napping on the job or going home to snort cocaine like Mr. TBT. Being able to work a job where one contributes such a valuable product that they don't have to give up all their free time is the definition of a high class job.
Why does your sister work such long hours? I know long hours are normal in healthcare, but I usually assume thats just the doctors and nurses, not the upper management who make the most money. Unless the person she works for wants to cut costs so much that they make her do the work of 2 people.
Oh in the UK, it is pretty common to find Asian food on the menu at traditional English pubs. I suppose the word you use in America is 'bar' rather than pub which is short for "public house" but yeah, it's a bar / pub, same thing - just different words. Pubs/bars do serve bar snacks as it's one way to keep the patrons there so they don't have to leave if they get hungry. But as the stories go, Thai food arrived late in the UK. There was already an established network of Chinese and Indian restaurants in the UK for a long time due to the links to colonies like Malaysia, India, HK, Singapore etc but there had been no links to Thailand. So in 1988 one pub chain in London started doing Thai food to try to have a USP, to offer the patrons something special and different so they got a bunch of Thai chefs into their kitchens to do authentic Thai food and it proved to be a hit. When you have a winning formula on your hands, others will copy and soon many British pubs offer Thai food. Even the pub just around the corner from me does that and I have brought my family there before because I wanted to give my parents a chance to experience that unique part of London culture. It's much easier for the Thai chefs to simply partner up with a pub to use them as a 'restaurant' rather than open a restaurant on their own because you're not taking as much risk opening a new business if the pub has been around for a long time and has regular patrons. Thus the pub we go to is a few mins walk from the office, it is a very traditional English pub with a Thai/Chinese food menu, hence the dim sum! The satay isn't quite the same as the satay we know from Singapore/Indonesia. It's big chunks of chicken meat that has been well seasoned but grilled in an oven and not over a charcoal flame so the result is not quite the same. But yeah, our Friday afternoon sessions would involve one of my directors saying to the guy behind the bar, "2 of everything please from the snacks menu" and the table would be covered with dim sum plates. LOL, I would have an orange juice, eat my fill and then go back to the office whilst the rest would stay there for ages drinking. Not the healthiest lunch as it's all carbs + meat but it's my Friday treat after a week at work!
DeleteOh yeah, hence my fondness for the Big Mac Index - someone like a waiter or a gymnastics coach will be paid by the hour (or in the case of the coach, by the lesson) whereas someone like me, I'm in sales so I am dependent on making the sales to earn more commission. Hence people like Ten by Ten take that to quite an extreme of course but as for why my sister works such long hours, there are several reasons. Firstly, everyone in her company works such crazy long hours so if you tried to work sensible hours, you'll appear lazy in comparison - it's a cultural thing. Secondly, her boss/management expects everyone to work like that whilst my boss is the one who is the first one to head to the pub at lunchtime on Friday. Thirdly, you've hit the nail on the head - they are understaffed and she is doing the work of 2 or more people. Fourthly, they don't have a concept of 'switching off' - if I see an email come in on a Saturday, I will wait till Monday morning to answer it but she will reply right away as the other party expects a quick reply. Whereas with me, no no no that's my weekend.
Mind you, I will answer an email/message during the weekend or evenings if I feel like it, but that's entirely up to me whether or not I do it or wait till office hours to respond. Whereas in my sister's case, she can't do that, she's compelled by their working culture to respond. But if you do that, it sets off a chain reaction whereby the clients then want stuff taken care of and problems solved at 10 pm on a Saturday evening and that leads to her dropping everything on a Saturday night to start dealing with work stuff; whilst I'll be like, nope that can wait till Monday morning before I take care of that.
DeleteOh god I really need to visit London if only for the international cuisine. I haven't had good Chinese/Hong Kong food in ages. I recently talked to a classmate of mine who mentioned he did a masters at Imperial and didn't like British food so would eat Thai or Chinese food everyday while in London.
DeleteI really hated Sg working culture while working there. I mean what kinda workplace starts at 8am and ends at 5pm? Not to mention overtime being a common thing. In America people only really work 7 hours since it's 9 to 5 including lunch break. This is why I think China's "lying flat" movement is only a natural side effect of a country becoming more developed. Instead of people working their asses off not to starve, they now have enough technology and infrastructure to enjoy themselves instead of working all the time. Sg should've had it's "lying flat" movement a long time ago. But that really isn't possible given the extreme pressure of exams in school.
Oh that reminds me, I once ate at a Japanese restaurant and was seated at a bar when two gentleman next to me started talking. One guy said he works at a luxury car dealership which sells Ferraris, rolls Royce, etc. And he said the mechanics there make 200k usd/year, but only work 20 hours a week. It's because mechanics get paid a fixed amount of hours per car they fix, but the more experienced a mechanic is the faster they work so they get 4 hours pay for only 2 hours work. Lol that's in contrast to me who 2 weeks ago my boss told me he didn't like my project and to change it - two weeks before an immovable deadline. Sure I can do projects faster since I'm an experienced researcher, but it isn't resulting in any increase in pay or fewer projects. I guess maybe I should've put my foot down and lied and said "no I can't start and finish a whole new project in 2 weeks!" But I just had to say "I'll give it a shot" and have been working 14 hour days since then. Jeezus, I need to learn to put my foot down, but I was scared me saying I couldn't do it was like saying "I'm stupid, I'm a crap scientist." If I had better social skills maybe I could've talked my way out of doing it without looking like I'm making excuses for myself or appearing inferior.
International cuisine is good in big cities but once you're out in the countryside, then it becomes very bland and boring - I'm sure the same can be said about most countries in the world.
DeleteAs for the work culture in Singapore, hell no - I can't possibly even begin to imagine working there given what I have seen of my sister's work pattern. It is so important to move away from the model where your output is correlated to your work - that's like the waiter or forklift who is being paid per hour rather than for your output per se (as in Mr Ten by Ten). But if your bosses have a very working class mindset, then they tend to default to the assumption that "longer working hours = more work gets done, 90 hours a week is better than 80 hours a week". Whereas you should see the way truly rich people work - they are efficient (like Mr Ten by Ten) and they don't work hard for the sake of working hard, they work smart. Singaporeans just don't get that - the reason is because Singapore was so poor just 50 years ago that most of the people who are in management today were brought up by parents who have a working class mindset and they just can't break free of this working class mentality - but the key difference in the West is that those in management today probably were not brought up by working class parents and thus have not had their minds poisoned by that mentality. In the West, the rich stay rich and the poor get poorer generation after generation but in Singapore, the poor can get rich and attain management status but they make poor managers because of their toxic working class mindset. Therein lies the problem.
Oh and as for random conversations I overheard, I was waiting for a train when I heard two women talking, "why didn't you visit me when I was in jail?" "I didn't know you were in jail - how long were you in there for?" "Just a few weeks but I was so miserable, what kind of friend are you to leave me to rot in there? Didn't you miss me when I was in jail?" I didn't even wanna look at them just in case I started laughing as it was such a bizarre conversation. But yes, do always put your foot down and stand up for yourself Amanda.
I kinda wonder what West London is like, what London's equivalent of Orchard road is. Maybe someday I'll visit London.
DeleteHmm you're right, Singapore has experienced such upward mobility that many managers were the children of working class parents. But Singapore is still trapped in the mindset of "hire cheap labor, make them work longer hours." This works for hiring construction workers or cleaners, but it does not work for white collar jobs like engineers, architects, or financiers. Hence why Singapore hardly has any homegrown startup let alone tech companies. I mean even a small country like Finland can have Nokia while Sg doesn't have any equivalent because the tech industry prefers to hire the cheapest engineers they can from China or Malaysia rather than the most talented engineers the world can offer. Like one thing that really pissed me off while waiting for the elevator during undergrad in Sg was when I overheard two professors next to me talking about how they found a loophole in the employee handbook that allows them to hire workers on a part time basis. They said it would enable them to find and hire the cheapest researchers possible from China, and hire as many of them as possible. With that attitude how are Sg's universities even going to compete with MIT or Stanford? Sure they can lure a desperate mediocre scientist from China to work for peanuts and stretch their dollar, but they are also losing out on the brilliant scientists who would prefer to work at Google's Sg office for much higher pay and benefits.
Lol if I went to jail my friends would find out very soon because I wouldn't show up to our regular videogaming sessions. That is a pretty odd conversation, and it makes me wonder what petty crime was committed to get a few weeks in jail haha. Yeah next time I'm gonna try to talk my way out of it instead of defaulting to using my science skills to fix every problem.
West London tends to be quiet, richer suburban neighbourhoods though there are some areas like Houslow which are very Indian. As for the equivalent of Orchard Road, you have two main shopping - Oxford Street which is more affordable then there is Regent Street which is more atas and exclusive. Both streets actually cross each other at Oxford Circus so that's always a good place to start one's shopping trip in London and depending on your budget and shopping list, you can choose which option to take.
DeleteAs for the problem with the Singaporean mindset, where do I even begin? You've just identified the massive problem and I can't even begin to try to fix it - people like me would look at the situation and think, "no way, this is a mess, I can't work with this, I'm better off doing business elsewhere."
Oh and I had a call from my old boss this afternoon offering me my old job back but I said no, I have moved on. I kept it civil and polite, I didn't see the point in being rude to him (even if I am bitter about the circumstances which led to me leaving my old job) but I am in a better place now, so leaving that company was the best thing for my career. It is something I will cover in my latest blog post.
DeleteOh okay, so West London is where the well off people live. I'd like to go there because I'm a Chelsea fan and their stadium is in West London. Wow London is so big they have two shopping streets. I'd probably just buy food rather than clothes, being a poor student and all.
DeleteYeah I really don't get the attitude Singaporeans have of increasing profits by cutting costs instead of improving productivity. That works for jobs where one cannot improve productivity, I mean how productive can you make a cleaner or cashier? But with white collar jobs the productivity ceiling is the sky. I even heard people saying "there is no point doing RnD in Singapore, China is cheaper, while we just do sales in Sg and scoop up the profits being the middlemen." I can't imagine a German or American scientist saying "oh we don't have to invent a covid vaccine, just let China do it because it's cheaper." Well look how that went, the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines are much more effective than the Chinese vaccines. And even if they cost more one they were developed faster and one can't put a price on not dying from covid.
Yeah man it was a blessing in disguise that they made you feel unwelcome. Now you get to work with people like young Dave who can close million dollar deals on the regular.
It's not that simple given London is a massive city of 8 million. Rich people are scattered throughout the city and there are individual neighbourhoods which are rich (eg. Kensington, Chelsea, Hampstead, Belsize Park, Mayfair etc) but West London is such a massive area that it contains everything from very rich neighbourhoods like Richmond to very poor neighbourhoods like Willesden - the same thing can be said about any part of London, take East London for example, it used to be the poorer half of London but thanks to the 2012 Olympics which kick started a major gentrification programme, there are now areas which have been gentrified, ie. they've knocked down old buildings and built new shiny apartment blocks and loads of facilities for sports, leisure, shopping, offices, schools etc to serve those communities so there are new pockets of affluence in East London as well.
DeleteLondon has a zillion shopping streets I swear, every local neighbourhood will have their own shopping street. I have one in Camden called Camden High Street but it is quite limited. I go there for smaller purchases but if I want something special, I know exactly which specialist stores to go to (or I shop online). But for me, I tend to check out what they have online before visiting the store in person and these specialist stores can be located anywhere in the city. Then we have massive malls (very American) as well but these tend not to be in the middle of town - they are slightly out of town so they have plenty of space. So it's not like we have two shopping streets - we have two famous shopping streets but young people these days actually prefer going to the huge American-style malls which are further out of town but easily accessible by train.
I think it's a very Singaporean thing to walk down Orchard Road with no agenda, no shopping list and still end up buying loads. I don't hoard stuff - I buy nice things that I really like but I won't buy something just because I stumble upon it in a sale. But the pandemic has changed the face of retail forever and I don't think the culture of shopping will go back to the way it is: most of us will get used to buying stuff online and older people who don't know how to do that will eventually die off.
As for the Singaporean attitude as you described, that's a lot to do with their working class mentality - the education system produces good worker ants who follow orders but not leaders. Their system assumes that brilliant leaders will emerge regardless of how crap the education system is and you simply can't polish a turd: you can't take Mr Average and turn him into Mr Brilliant. You can only turn Mr Average into an obedient worker ant and even if you turn everyone into Mr Future Leader, then guess what? There just aren't enough jobs in management for everyone; only the top 5 to 10% of each cohort end up in senior management anyway, so what's the point of having a better education system?
I only know about East London from the show East Enders, I didn't know it became gentrified after the 2012 Olympics. London sounds a lot like Jakarta, we have massive malls but they are scattered almost everywhere (East, West, South, North). But of course in the center of Jakarta near the CBD there is the most luxurious mall that only sells luxury goods like Louis Vuitton (similar to Takashimaya or Paragon in Orchard). Btw, it surprises me you remember Singapore's geography quite well despite living in London for 20+ years and only visiting occasionally. Oh gosh I love Takashimaya and would love to go back there one day and shop around all the food in the basement. The pandemic has changed things a lot though, I'm surprised at how Amazon sells almost everything. The only things I shop for in person are groceries, but even then if I'm lazy I get groceries delivered by Amazon.
DeleteOh shopping malls aren't actually that common in America. Where I live there's mostly shopping streets instead. Even in New York there aren't really shopping malls, just street shops. Malls seem to be more of an Asian thing, maybe because Asia is hot and not nice to walk around outside, whilst malls are airconditioned.
We don't necessarily need leaders, but innovators yes. People who come up with new ideas, new products, new services, etc. They don't have to be the CEO, but they do have to create something. Singapore's system doesn't seem to reward creativity, only cost-cutting.
As for my old boss calling me up, I could have been nasty but what's the point? I have enough social skills to realize that getting into an argument is just emotionally exhausting and would achieve nothing. I've moved on, I'm not going to say shit like, "you treated me unfairly blah blah blah" - I don't like my former boss but it's a difficult relationship; part of the reason why I have credibility today is because people in the industry ask me, "oh you used to work at that company for that boss? Woah, if you can survive working for him, you can survive anything - he doesn't suffer fools gladly." I think it was naive for him to think, "oh Alex is just gonna come running back if I offer him a job again." Nope, I've moved on and I'm not looking back. I've seen too many people get upset over people who have wronged them in the past and I'm determined not to turn into one of them.
DeleteEast London is a massive place so some of it have gentrified very nicely whilst there are still some horrible neighbourhoods - but such is the nature of a big city. The Olympics did have a massive impact on East London as it was part of the proposal to host the Olympics, to inject some life and money into the part of town that's the least attractive. I do have a brain for maps (maybe it has got to do with my geography degree) but there are cities I can navigate easily even if I have just visited a few times, I know the place inside out. From Helsinki to Paris to Berlin to Barcelona to Tallinn to Madrid to Brussels to Istanbul to Hong Kong, I have no problems when it comes to my mental map of the city. Perhaps it's part of my gift as an autistic person, I can mentally map cities with ease but then again, my parents are autistic too and they can get hopelessly lost in Singapore. I did worry about my father as once he tried to pick up my sister after work and he got so lost he gave up. She took a taxi home and it took ages before he actually found his way home. I worry that he's becoming senile and ought not be driving.
DeleteBut you make a very good point about leaders vs innovators - a good leader is someone who knows how to delegate. I remember years ago when I had to organize an acrobatics display/show for an event in Edinburgh, I picked a cast of acrobats all of whom were more talented than me and I took a back seat, I did very little performing but stuck to the role of a leader/organizer. I wasn't the star of the show, but my role was to deliver a good show rather than turn it into a platform for my ego. Right now, I'm not a leader at my company but I'm given the leeway to do what I want and innovate. But in Singapore, they're creating neither at the moment, just worker ants with a working class mentality who can only listen to instructions and do as they are told.
I'm surprised they even offered you your old job back considering you said you felt pushed out and unfairly treated. But yeah, gotta move on. No point dwelling on the past.
DeleteCan't gentrify every neighborhood I suppose, there still needs to be low rent areas in the city for working class people to live in. Btw, what are North and South London like? The only image I have of both is either Arsenal or Tottenham fans for north london, or Crystal palace fans for south london.
Lol your father couldn't find your sister and couldn't even find his own way home. Nowadays we just have google maps to take us where we need to go. I'm surprised since Singapore is not even that big of a city with too many small winding roads, not like many 3rd world cities that didn't have any urban planning built in.
How did you get picked to organize an acrobatics show? Gymnastics connections? But yeah someone has to do the organizing and making sure the innovators stay on track, even if they aren't the innovators themselves. A manager is only as good as the innovators they have underneath them, but a good manager can get more out of a team than a bad one, which is why football managers get paid more than most football players.
I think to change the working class mentality one has to fundamentally change the way the schooling system works. Instead of obsessing over exams they should give students more free time to explore what they like to do. I mean, an exam is simply repeating information already known to the world, not generating new information which is usually done when people like something and explore it.
I think if they were going to offer me my old job back, there was a window period (like a week or two) when I may have been tempted to go back to the way things were and ignore the way I had been treated. Starting a new job is a daunting process and I have had to climb a crazy steep learning curve, but to come to me after I have climbed that steep learning curve to offer me my old job back? Nah nah nah, that boat has left the harbour, it is too late. I've moved on. It's like you wanna get back together with your ex - you don't wait till he has met a new guy, fallen in love and has told the whole world how happy he is that he has moved on. Even when you buy an item from the store, there's like a 30-day grace period when you can bring it back for an exchange or refund, well any kind of grace period had long gone. We're now in mid-Sept and I left that old job in mid-May. I am surprised that it took them 4 months to change their minds about getting rid of me.
DeleteAs for north & south London, again, it depends on the specific area you're talking about. There are some super posh areas in North London where you would find homes worth several million pounds and that's where the mega-rich live and then there are areas which are desperately poor. It's just too big an area to treat as a monolithic entity. Even within Camden where I live - this is a neighbourhood within North London - we have streets where the houses are worth several million dollars each and areas which are overrun with drug dealers and criminals!
Yes my father getting lost in Singapore was worrying - his English is severely limited and he can't use technology, so I think what happened was that there was an improvement to the expressway system and they tore down an old intersection to replace it with a much better layout to speed up the traffic flow around a bottleneck, but my father doesn't read road signs in English - he navigates with landmarks and if you remove a landmark (eg. a big junction) then you confuse him. Of course, I would use technology to overcome that kind of problem but he doesn't use technology - that's why it made me think he's going senile already and should not be driving anymore.
As for the acrobatics show, I managed to get the gig due to someone I knew in London being approached to do it, he said "I don't know enough acrobats but my friend Alex probably can do this for you." So he passed the inquiry onto me and I thought okay, why not? I knew the people and we had a good time in Edinburgh doing that show. That connection was via acting not gymnastics.
As for the schooling system, I've been shown a diagram that explains everything: just google Bloom's Taxonomy pyramid and it is clear that Singaporean students are stuck at the bottom of the pyramid.
Yeah and they assume you're just miserable in a new job 4 months on and are still pining for your ex-job. Sounds like they're overvaluing themselves and undervaluing you.
DeleteOh didn't know you lived in North London. From what I know of Arsenal fans they are either incredibly rich, or extremely working class with a very specific accent. But then again the area I live in is the really rich with high rents, but walk 1 mile to the north or west is a high crime area.
He was driving? Jeezus that doesn't sound safe. But if he was walking and taking public transport it would be even easier to get lost.
Ahh cool, so you got the job through an acting connection. Sounds like a fun excuse to go on a vacation and have fun doing a hobby.
Lol that is one savage comment on the Sg education system, being stuck on "remember" and nothing more haha. I guess "remember" is the only thing required for working class jobs. Remember how to drive a forklift. Remember which detergent to use when cleaning. Remember how to enter transactions at the cashier. Working in sales there is nothing much to "remember", every sale is different after all.
Well from what I have learnt, they had tried to promote someone internally to take over my duties after I had left but he was woefully out of his depth. It's not like he wasn't working hard but I was a very hard act to follow - but to be fair, I'm 45, I've got years of business experience and to expect someone who's 20 years younger than me to simply take over; well he wasn't going to find that easy to begin with and that's why they wanted me back but it wasn't gonna happen. Maybe after 2 weeks I may have just gone back but not after 4 months.
DeleteWell yes I live in North London in quiet suburbia - not that exciting but it's a good compromise between living far away from the center (enough for property prices to fall away) and still not being in the middle of nowhere. My office is in the middle of town and it takes me 20 mins or so to get there on the bike.
As for Bloom's pyramid, akan datang. That's good raw material for a whole blog post.
Now they must be really desperate to call you back instead of just putting out a job ad and hiring someone new. If they are that desperate then you're better off where you are now.
Delete20 mins is not bad for a commute distance, considering London property prices!
Hmm, Bloom's pyramid goes a long way to explaining why a fry cook at McDonalds makes so much less than a 3 Michelin starred chef. The fry cook only has to remember one recipe, repeat it, and never change it, and they might as well be replaced with a robot at this point. However, the Michelin starred chef not only has to remember many recipes, but also analyze why some recipes taste better than others, and innovate new ways of cooking ingredients or mixing together different ingredients to make better dishes. The menu isn't static at a Michelin starred restaurant, it constantly changes, and people will pay top dollar for new things and innovation.
It's the complete lack of foresight and planning - if they focused on the part of the equation which is, "if we replaced Alex with a 24 year old Estonian, then we can save so much money!" Then 4 months later they realized, holy shit, the 24 year old is trying really hard but has no clue what he is doing because he isn't an experienced pair of hands like Alex. Better try to get him back." It almost makes that company sound Singaporean as that's the kind of mistake that Singaporean companies would make - it's a false economy if you think you can save money by hiring young, inexperienced workers fresh out of university as they would not have the kind of experience that I have as an older, more experienced safe pair of hands. I have moved on and I'm not looking back.
DeleteBloom's pyramid explains a lot - akan datang. It'll be my next post.
Now I wonder how much they were paying this 24 year old Estonian haha. 36k pounds/year? But yeah that sounds so Singaporean as if they're hiring a cleaner that preferably should be young and strong, but also accept a lower salary since its their first job. They forgot to account for the fact that an older worker is more productive even if they will cost more.
DeleteCool. I have never even heard of Bloom's pyramid before. I think I might use it if I have to teach a new researcher about math.
Oh salaries in Estonia are low so probably quite a lot less so I think it'll probably be around 25k - 30k euros a year bearing in mind a euro is worth less than a pound. But hey, I hope you saw my other long comment - I'm off to Ukraine tomorrow for a beer commercial. It's so totally crazy.
Deletehttps://techcrunch.com/2020/12/14/singapore-is-poised-to-become-asias-silicon-valley/
ReplyDeleteSingapore as Asia's Silicon Valley
I refer you to my conversation with Amanda above and the problem with the Singaporean mindset - basically no, not within this generation or the next, it's not gonna happen unless Singaporeans changed their working class mindset.
DeleteWell every job i have thus far is working class. Only those elites, e.g. ex-military top brass get to be parachuted into a top position without needed to reskill or retrain. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/safs-first-inspector-general-to-oversee-preschool-sector-from-dec-15
ReplyDeleteWell if I may make 2 points for you please: firstly, some working class jobs (according to my definition) are well paid - I used the example of train drivers in my article as they have a big responsibility and they have many complex instructions to remember. You are facing the exact same set of conditions: you're well paid but you're obliged to strictly follow the instructions given to you in your training. So in sharp contrast, someone who is inventing new medical technology would be writing the new rules by creating new, better machines for people like you to use.
DeleteI'm hardly elite - you've seen what kind of uneducated, autistic and stupid father I have and yet somehow I managed to get loads of jobs where I am paid for the original ideas I come up with. You can bitch about the Singaporean system but it is up to you to deal with the challenges you have in your life. I have realized a long time ago that feeling sorry for myself or blaming my parents (or the government) would do absolutely NOTHING to solve the problems in my life - I hate to be blunt, but you bitch a lot about the Singaporean government. I hate the PAP as much as you do but I got on with my life a long time ago and created the kind of future I wanted. You need to do the same please.