Sunday, 20 December 2020

Part 4: From my childhood to my adulthood (1994 to 2000)

As I am writing this, I have already received so many kind messages from my readers after I had published parts 1, 2 and 3. I was preparing myself for a deluge of hate mail but to get kind messages has been just totally awesome. So I am going to continue my story at the point where I entered the army to serve my 2 years 4 months of military conscription, otherwise known as NS (national service) in Singapore. I actually entered NS with a very positive attitude, remember at that age, all I wanted to do was to assert my independence as an adult and what better opportunity to do that than leaving home and joining the army. My relationship with my father only grew more and more distant at that time - you see, my father didn't do national service. By the time it was introduced in 1967, my father was deemed way too old to serve by as he was 29 - instead, he was made to perform some administrative duties in an office as a civilian for just a few months as his 'contribution' to the Singapore Armed Forces, he told me that it was simple, if not a bit boring at times. He had this one black & white photo of him seated at a desk from that period, he looked so young and had a big smile on his face in that photo. No one had prepared me for what awaited me in NS but no, this is not a blog post where I bitch about NS, that is a whole other discussion for another time - instead I shall focus on the relationship I had with my father. 

Based on his own experience and assumptions, my father had assumed that NS would be simple, he had every faith in the system and he trusted the government with his only son. I felt quite let down by my father as a result - at least there were some older guys in my church then who made an effort to mentally prepare me for it. Unlike my father, these guys were young enough to have served NS and knew exactly what I would have been expected to do. I think there was this expectation that NS would somehow make my father and I bond because it was a shared experience but that was not the case, given how different our experiences were to begin with. I tried to describe to my father what NS was like - I compare it to the Lord of the Flies situation because the people who were in charge of me were sometimes less than 12 months older than me, they were hardly responsible adults but were emotional teenagers who were way out of their depth. My father however had this very simplistic view of NS, that it was a cross between a primary school and a holiday camp, where everything was very well organized and the officers acted like school teachers to make sure the soldiers behaved themselves. When I tried to challenge his simplified version of how things actually worked in the military, he just went into complete denial - that's just an example of what it is like to deal with an adult who is deeply autistic. It was too hard for him to change his opinion even when presented with evidence, so he simply goes into denial and calls me a liar in the process. You can see how his choice of refusing to believe me and calling me a liar would instantly alienate me as a son. I had gone to my father for emotional support but I got dismissed as a liar instead, so where do we go from there? 

Here's something about NS and Singaporean parents which really irks me - a lot of Singaporean parents (including my own) have very high expectations of national service. They expect it to transform their sons from boys to men, whilst miraculously fixing every single fault in their sons in the process. This is how unrealistic they are: they think they can fuck up their sons by being bad parents for 18 years, then simply hand their son over to the SAF who will then fix everything - yeah right. I can see where this attitude comes from and it is a fairly innocent response that has gotten way out of control, allow me to give you an analogy to explain. This summer, I was on a bus ride from Strasbourg in France to Karlsruhe in Germany - normally this bus trip should about one hour as the two cities are 85 km apart. However, shortly into the bus ride, just after we had crossed over into Germany, the bus broke down in the small town of Kehl. We were then told that the bus company would send a replacement bus service in about 2 or 3 hours and we would receive a text message to tell us when the replacement bus would arrive at Kehl bus station. I had not even planned to visit Kehl on this trip but somehow I found myself in Kehl and I decided to make the most of it - let's explore this little town. I had resigned myself to the fact that I was going to be stuck in Kehl for a few hours; so I found a nice place for lunch, then we had a walk around the town center, did some shopping, took a walk along the river and then went for an ice cream before heading back to the bus station for our onward journey. What was the alternative? I would have gained nothing if I just sat at Kehl bus station and sulked about my terrible luck but at the same time, I was also quite realistic about what Kehl had to offer since it was really just a sleepy little German town that even most German people have never even heard of. 

Likewise, Singaporean parents know that their son would have to serve NS - there's just no way to avoid it. But there's a huge difference between having a "let's make the most of it" attitude (like I adopted when I was stuck in Kehl, Germany) and imagining that NS is the most fantastic experience that your son is ever going to have. The problem arises when people don't have to do NS (such as the mothers and sisters) start having these unrealistic expectations because it is not them who has to do the NS - so it would be the equivalent of me telling my mother that I'm stuck in a town called Kehl and her replying, "I'm sure Kehl is really beautiful, you'll have a great time there" without knowing anything about Kehl. So whilst the rest of my family had these ridiculously optimistic expectations about how awesome NS would be based on nothing more than wishful thinking, I did go into NS with the same pragmatic attitude as I did in Kehl, "I'm going to be stuck here, so I am going to make the most of it." This may seem like a subtle difference on the surface but I cannot stress how crucial this difference was back then - when I was facing massive challenges trying to adapt to a very difficult environment, my family was under the impression that I was having some kind of adventure holiday camp with loads of fun activities all day long, that NS was really like an extended holiday. I suppose my frustration stems from one simple but crucial fact: I'm the only one in my family who has ever served NS, so why don't the rest of them just humbly ask me, "tell me what NS is really like", then listen to me; that would have been quite an interesting conversation. This was the cause of a lot of conflict because I had tried to reach out to my family for empathy but didn't get any. Talk about growing up - that was the moment I had to grow up quickly and learn to deal with my challenges myself, with no help from family. 

My two sisters and mother are exempt because of their gender and my father was too old when it was first implemented. I was the only one in my family to wholeheartedly condemn the entire system whilst the rest of them who never had to do NS chose to give it the benefit of the doubt much to my frustration. I grew up a lot during NS, it was like being thrown in the deep end of the pool and told "now would be a good time to learn how to swim". The thing I regret the most was that I pretty much learnt to swim on my own with no help from my father - if ever there was a time that I needed help from a parent to help me out that would have been it, but I didn't get any help. If I may make an honest assessment of the situation, he couldn't even if wanted to - my father is autistic and has very poor social skills, he was in fact very lucky in that he was working in the very sterile environment of the primary school which is a far cry from the complex office politics I have to carefully negotiate in the working world. He imagined the world to be so well organized, so logical and safe because that was the environment he was used to in the primary school where he worked - he wasn't sociable, he didn't know how to talk to strangers or make friends, he wasn't confident, there was no way he would have coped with such a toxic environment. To be fair, asking him to guide me through NS or to expect him to prepare me adequately for what I had to encounter in NS would have been like me approaching to help me with my French homework. Even if I did ask, there was no way he could have helped me, even if he wanted to and so I suppose that was why I simply didn't ask. 

Ah French. Ironically, that was the one thing that really helped me through my time in NS. I managed to find some of my sister's old textbooks and then bought some other French books to start teaching myself French, my brain had missed the learning process - after all, I had gone from having just completed my A levels to the army, when I didn't need to study anything at all. At first I did it merely to keep my brain active but I realized that not only did I really enjoy it, I was actually really good at it. I became obsessed with studying French, I spent all my free time with my French books and when I could get out of the army camp, I was trying to see what other French study materials I could get my hands on in the big bookstores. At a time when my relationship with my father had totally broken down because he had accused me of being a liar about how broken the system was, this was his one opportunity to bond with me over my new found passion - except of course, he didn't. It was not like I didn't tell my family about my new passion, it was first met with derision: my father told me that if I couldn't master Chinese, so how could I study a third language? My sister who had much better grades in Chinese than I did couldn't master French, how could I possibly succeed where my sister had failed? At times, he was dismissive, as if he was sure I would soon find something new to play with and give up on French. But since he didn't even speak English, he probably couldn't tell the difference between French and English - so if I was reading a French book, it was a big deal to me then; but to him I was merely reading a European "Angmoh" book.

Of course, I know my Singaporean peers would condemn me for being this spoilt brat who expected my father to indulge my every whim and fancy; they would accuse me of being extremely demanding and selfish, that I was the evil bastard who was morally deficient for expecting my father to be excited by my interest in learning French. You see the running theme here, in our Asian culture, the parents are never at fault so by default, it is always the child who has to take all the blame. Hence I didn't dare to say anything when my father just ignored the fact that I was teaching myself a third language, neither him nor my mother wanted to be a part of it and I was used to them behaving like that. Mind you, my current American CEO's daughter has just completed A level Chinese and is going to study Chinese at university - from the moment she started doing Chinese 6 years ago at school, he had always talked to me about it and he would even bring her to the office just to get her to chat to me in Mandarin. Just this week, I had a conversation with him about how compound words work in Chinese, about how the word for telephone is 电话 = "electric speech", movie is 电影 = "electric shadow" and computer is 电脑 = "electric brain". He would be like, "teach me something really smart to say in Mandarin, so I can surprise her when I get home later", or "Can you help me leave her a voice mail in Mandarin and I want to see if she understands you." Look, my CEO can't speak Mandarin, but I can see he is genuinely interested in what his daughter is learning rather than interested in the Chinese language per se, that is what normal parents do. It is when I see how other parents take an interest in their children that I realize how my relationship with my father is just not normal.

Just how good was my French? After studying it on my own throughout NS, I did a crash course in French after I got out of the army as I had a few months before I started university at UCL. At UCL, I registered for a French course and the administrator there told me, no no no this course is for people who have done A level French, you can only register for beginner's French. I challenged her to give me a test to ascertain my standard of French and I aced it - I went on to do a lot better than the vast majority of the British students in that course who had done French for ten to twelve years, whilst I had taught myself French in under two years. Even my French teacher at university thought I was a genius but my father didn't even know what I was studying at university - he didn't care and quite frankly, I don't even think he knows the difference between different European languages like French, Dutch, Welsh, German and Greek. To him, it was all in the category of "white people's stuff" he didn't simply understand and thus he took no notice of what I was doing with French. I was aware of the limitations of his understanding of the world, so once again, I did the Asian thing and didn't make a fuss about it. But looking back, I do think that most fathers would have been at least pleased that their children are good at something - I say this because I have seen other parents get excited over far more mundane "achievements" that their very mediocre children have presented them. But it is not about how grand these "achievements" are, it is more being involved in what the child is doing and taking an active interest in it. French had brought me great joy and I chose to make it a big part of my life. So it is in this context that I felt the way my father chose to ignore me was verging on spiteful but I didn't care: I was at university in London then, eight time zones away from my parents and hence I was very happy. 

It was not as if we didn't speak - I used to call home regularly and there were these very weird conversations on the phone. I would tell my father what I was doing at university, say imagine if I told him that I was doing a research project about how climate change is causing water shortages in England, most of my friends would react by simply asking me relevant questions to show interest, "so what have you learnt in your research? What is your deadline? Are you doing this as a group project or is it something you're doing on your own? Are you enjoying it or is it quite challenging?" Note that I deliberately pick questions that you can ask even if you knew absolutely nothing about climate change or geography, but you're just asking questions to convey the message that you are interested in the research I am doing. But no not my father, I would tell him what I was doing at university and then as if he didn't hear a word of what I said, he would tell me something really random like "I went to the shop earlier this afternoon and I wanted to buy toilet paper, then I saw that they had a special offer on washing detergent, so I got rather excited and I bought a lot of washing detergent as well." It would leave me feeling confused and frustrated, let's just say he didn't even have the basic social skills to know how to have a simple conversation - mind you, talking to my mother on the phone yielded pretty much the same results. I could spend ages telling her a story and then then she would just respond by saying, "do you want to talk to your sister? Hang on, I will pass the phone to her now." She wouldn't even try to respond to anything I might have told her, she would just run to get my sister. Mind you, my sister assured me that the problem wasn't with long distance phone calls, she could speak to my parents whilst in the same room - sitting just across the table and they would react in exactly the same way. 

There were two incidents that took my parents by shock and I am going to tell you how my sisters reacted to demonstrate how my sisters were really the ones who brought me up when I was a child. The first was me coming out to my parents - my parents were shocked of course but my two sisters were like, "well of course he is gay, we have known that for years, since he was young, like probably since he was 5 or 6. In fact, I would be shocked if he declared he had a girlfriend and wanted to get married, he would have to come out as straight to us." Then when I declared that I wasn't going to return to Singapore, again it was the same reaction, my parent were shocked that I had come to that decision as if it came out of the blue but my two sisters were once again like, "Seriously, what did you expect? Of course he was never going to come back to Singapore, if you had ever paid any attention to him and listened to anything he said, you would know that this was inevitable." So, how do we even try to make sense of all this? Well for starters, it only confirmed one thing that I had known for years - my parents had paid so little attention to me over the years that my sexuality and my decision not to return to Singapore shocked them and I can just imagine both my sisters rolling their eyes really hard at this point. Yet despite the fact that they were not close to me at all, they still (for some reason) wanted me back in Singapore - that's almost like how my parents want to still stay married after all these years despite having been fighting with each other all this time. I wasn't happy in Singapore, I didn't feel close to my parents at all, so it was a natural and simple decision to spread my wings and try working in another country instead since I didn't feel like I had much worth returning to in Singapore. So whilst my sisters understood that easily, my parents on the other hand never understood it. 

This only confirmed something I had felt for so many years already - I could deal with my two sisters like mature, sensible adults whereas my parents were child-like in their approach to life, unable to understand complex concepts. So for example, let's take a simple matter like me trying to find a job in the UK - now that's a rather complex topic that I have blogged a lot about here, but my parents had no concept of how it worked. So my sister would tell me, "don't worry, you just talk to me and I'll explain it to them later in a way they can understand, okay?" Hence I could then speak to my sister normally, like an adult, then she would break it down and explain it in very simple language to my parents. That is the complete opposite of what happens in the real world - I remember watching a mother and her very young daughter who are probably about 3 or 4 on the train recently. The little girl asked her mother, "Mummy, why is everybody on the train wearing a mask?" The mother then used very simple language to explain the whole concept of the Corona virus to her daughter and the role of the mask, but in a way even a little girl at that age could understand. That's the exact same process that I witness my sisters do with my parents - am I the only one who is frustrated that this process is the wrong way round in my family? Perhaps there's just a part of me that is jealous of my friends who grew up with parents who were in a position to do some proper parenting and that means being able to guide their children through life by offering advice, help and emotional support; whereas in my family, it had been my oldest sister has been playing that role to both my parents and I all this time - indeed, she has been the sensible pillar of strength in the entire family for all these years.

But wait, it gets worse. The young girl in the train listened to her mother's explanation and accepted it - she's a sensible and reasonable young girl who is willing to learn from her mother. My father has always been the most stubborn, argumentative, unreasonable child you would ever meet; allow me to give you an example. When I announced in 2000 that I have managed to find a job in London after graduation, my father said something like (and I am translating here) that it was nice that the white people would give me a chance as a Chinese person. I was really insulted by that remark because I wasn't hired to fill some ethnic minority quota in the company - my skin colour had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I was hired, I was chosen because they clearly saw the potential in me as someone who had a lot to offer. I don't need any sympathy or charity to compete with white people in the job market. How did my father react to me telling him that he was wrong? He got really argumentative and launched into this massive tirade about how nasty, awful and racist white people are - I tried to reason with him: private companies care about one thing the most - making money. That's why such companies ignore the issue of skin colour, nationality or religion and simply hire the best talent. The reason why he behaves like that is because he feels that he would 'lose face' if he admitted that he was wrong or that I knew more about the subject than he did - this was a reflex from being a primary school teacher, where the teacher would feel acutely embarrassed if they couldn't answer a question the student asked. I don't expect my father to know anything, I just hope he would be a more reasonable person to deal with in such a situation and actually just listen to me.

Of course, I know that most Asian people would condemn me and make me the villain here. You can take the boy out of Singapore but you can't take Singapore out of the boy - sometimes I even condemn myself because there is still a part of me that thinks like an Asian. One thing that living in England did was really open my eyes to other families and how what kind of families they have; I suppose when I was growing up in Singapore, I spent so much time with my own family that I didn't realize how different other families were but when I made friends with people in London and observed how they interacted with their parents, it simply confirmed what I had known all this time: my family wasn't normal - my family was extremely abnormal. Most of my Singaporean peers will point out that I speak Mandarin and Hokkien, I am a lot more educated than my parents and thus the onus is entirely on me to bridge the gap in order to build a relationship - I have to put in 100% of the effort whilst the parent has to do nothing. That's not how things work in the West: I have observed how the parent and child relationship would evolve into one of equals, once the child is in their 20s. But holy shit in the case of my family, my parents have become the child and I am the one who has no time for their childish bullshit whilst my sister just dutifully steps up and plays the part of the parent to my parents. Through my work I have formed relationships with older adults in the UK who are about my parents' age, but the relationship is so much more profound than the extremely shallow, cold and distant relationship I have with my parents. Thus instead of focusing on how miserable my relationship is with my parents, I expanded my social circle here in the UK and found so many incredible friends - I picked my battles.

So at this point of the story, it is summer 2000 - I had just graduated and had found myself a job in London much to my parents' dismay; they wanted me to return to Singapore and I plain refused. I had been so happy in London and so miserable in Singapore; so why the hell would I want to return to Singapore? I didn't even think my parents knew why they wanted me to return to Singapore - we never talked, they had no idea what the hell I was doing with my life, my friends at university knew far more about me than my own parents did. I was a complete stranger to them - they think they knew their own son but that impression was based on what I was like as a young child. Going through the army and university had turned me from a boy to man: I learned a lot, I became wiser and more mature, my social skills improved a lot and my parents simply had not been a part of that process. By 2000, I knew I had come a long way, I had changed a lot but my parents were totally unaware of how I had changed and they made no effort whatsoever to get to know me. This was paradoxical: why would they insist on dragging me back from London, just so they can ignore me in Singapore? If they wanted to ignore me, they could do that from 8 time zones away and then I can at least be a lot happier in London. I realized that's exactly what they were doing to my two older sisters: they were simply ignored so based on the way they treated my two sisters, that made my decision to stay in London easy. In London, I had loads of wonderful friends who were interested in me and took such good care of me; in Singapore, I had parents who wanted to ignore me. 

Part 4 will end here and part 5 will mark the final period of 2000 to 2020, the last 20 years when I had been working mostly in London, but in many places around the world as well. So once again, I thank you for joining me on this journey. 

52 comments:

  1. "Cross between primary school and holiday camp" hahaha, that is so not NS, even today when they're much kinder. My guy friends who did NS told me how abusive their bosses can be since no NSman can just quit and find a different role with a less toxic working environment. Alex I was thinking your parents wanted you to be in Singapore because they have such a small social circle that a son who they hardly talk to is better than nothing. From your point of view it is worthless since you can go out and make more meaningful friendships anywhere, while your parents cannot. I also have the same weird relationship with my mother who never tries to understand my problems, hardly takes an interest in my hobbies, yet wants me to visit home often because she has no other friends.

    Btw, I'm glad you grew up to be an empathetic person despite receiving very little love and affection from your parents. I've had friends who were very screwed up by their parents not loving them, and treat their friends/relationships in the same messed up way their parents treated them. These people are miserable, but think what they do is completely normal, so they're always dumbfounded when people leave. That story about your boss trying to learn Chinese to impress his daughter despite having no personal want to learn the language himself was very heartwarming. My father didn't like fantasy movies, but he really indulged my fascination with pirates and magic as a kid. Now that's real love, doing something to make someone happy even if its not something you like. My father liked to say "love is a two-way street."

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    1. Hi Amanda and thanks so much for your kind & insightful comments as always.

      1. My father knew he had to send me to NS, there was no way I was going to avoid it so I went into it with the 'let's make the best of the situation' attitude but he simply assumed that there wouldn't be any problems with the system. But of course, when you have a system run by people who are not there by choice, you get all kinds of problems - such is the problem with conscription. But my father had such faith in the PAP and the whole government system that he couldn't bring himself to acknowledge that the system was broken and corrupt - so instead of acknowledging a problem that he couldn't solve, he chose to call me a liar and put all the blame on me when like most of my peers, I had problems in NS. This mostly stemmed from me not having the right social skills and I had to figure it all out on my own with zero help from my parents - that's why it drove us further apart. This is why I want to be there for my nephew to be the first person to wholeheartedly condemn the system before he even starts NS, so my nephew would never have to feel alienated from his family, that he will at least know that uncle Alex understands even if no one else does.

      2. Your analysis of my parents' very small social circle is spot on - you're extremely insightful Amanda, you've analyzed the situation from their point of view whilst I was so focused on my own point of view that I didn't consider what you said. Thank you so much for that. I can see the parallel in your situation with your mother. But even when I am in Singapore, I don't know how to have conversations with my father because he is just so socially awkward when it comes to conversations. He once excitedly told me, "it is raining heavily so you must be happy." And I was like, no, I'm not happy, if I go out now I will get very wet. Then he said that I was always complaining that Singapore was too hot so I would be happier now it is raining and it will cool down - I pointed out to him firstly that when it rains in the tropics, the temperature doesn't drop much (or at all) and that any small drop in temperature is compensated by a rise in humidity, which does contribute to making one sweat. So the amount of relief from the heat that some rain would provide in a place like Singapore is negligible compared to say, simply turning on the A/C which would be able to reduce the temperature by as much as 10 degrees and drastically reduce the humidity, making it a lot more comfortable very quickly. In any case, my father made an assumption that I would associate the rain with cooler temperatures when I didn't - so instead of simply asking me how I felt about the weather, he made a series of really incorrect assumptions and ended up making me feel irked because he shouldn't have made those ridiculous assumptions to try to impress me that he could guess what I was thinking (and sure enough, he was completely wrong) - he doesn't need to read my mind for crying out aloud! All he needed to do was to ask me a question, "it's raining today, how do you feel about the weather today then?" Then I would tell him exactly how I felt and that's call a conversation. But no, he tried to impress me by guessing what I was thinking - what kind of adult does that? That's simply not what normal adults with basic social skills do.

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    2. 3. I am analytical - that's not the same as being emphatic. I remember once I got to know this lady called Laura who was very charming and likable; I then had a conversation with her and I asked her why I found her easy to relate to, why people liked her. And I realized that she did this one simple thing that always worked: she would express interest in other people. She would ask them how they are and allow them to talk about themselves, what they were doing, what worried them, what got them excited etc and she wouldn't talk about herself. We naturally like people who show an interest in us. Now if I may be totally honest, given how little love and affection I got from my parents, I came to university quite eager to make friends and I wanted people to like me. And so I observed people like Laura and simply copied what they do, I use my power of observation to my advantage and I learn from those around me. I contrasted the way Laura would ask me a question that I'll have to answer to the way my father tried to guess what I was thinking instead of asking me a question. I was determined not to be like my father, so I picked people (like Laura) who had excellent social skills and copied what they did. So showing empathy and kindness comes with an ulterior motive - I want people to like me. I'm still seeking to fill that gap in my life.

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    3. 1. Btw, does NS make exceptions for boys with autism? If your nephew were to be dropped into NS without any prior heads up, I think he would suffer a lot(even normal people do). In the US and other developed countries there are some mental conditions that by law an employer must make concessions for, I don't know about SG but I know they do make exceptions for physical conditions like eczema.

      2. For us it sounds so simple, why can't people like your dad copy someone like Laura? I kinda wonder how your father was like in his childhood and how his own parents raised him. Usually normal parents who are somewhat interested in their children's lives will teach some form of social skills, and also highlight the importance of friendship and having empathy. But if you and your dad aren't close I doubt he would've told you anything about how he was raised.

      3. And btw I don't think its scummy to want people to like you as long as you don't intend to hurt other people. Its a win/win situation if they're happy and you're happy. How else do we make friends otherwise? And yeah I get what you mean by social skills not coming naturally to autistic people, and us having to substitute analytical skills in place of natural charisma. People find it strange I have to read books on social behavior just to function socially, but autism has other perks, like enhanced analytical skills, fast reading, good memory, etc.

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    4. Hello Amanda, thanks again for your comments.

      1. You have to be really extremely severely disabled in order to be totally 'excused' from NS. In my time, I have served with men who have quite severe disabilities yet they had to serve: so if you have a condition like severe eczema you would be excused field duty and certain provisions would be made in order for you to serve without putting your life in danger but it would be impossible to get out of NS on the basis of eczema. The problem is that for many, many years, guys have been exaggerating or faking their medical conditions in order to either try to avoid NS altogether or get a result like be classified so disabled they only have to do light duty throughout NS. So it's not like it is just showing up with the doctor's note and then getting excused/exempted - no no no no no, it is not that simple. Because of the culture of families bribing private doctors to exaggerate the nature of the injury/disability with the expressed intention to get the soldier excused from duty, the military will open a case of evaluation when the soldier shows up with the note from his doctor - then they will get their own doctors to do their evaluations, to verify if the condition is serious enough or exaggerated. Like if it was a spine injury, the army doctors will take their own X-rays and get their own specialists to examine the patient.

      So it's not like my family can get my nephew 'excused' with a simple doctor's note - no, they can report that he is autistic, then the army doctors will do their own evaluation. After all, everyone's a bit autistic on the autism spectrum - there are high functioning autistic people like me who are a bit weird but still able to function in society, hold down a job and form relationships with those around me and then there are the extreme cases: so my nephew is somewhere in between the two extremes and it is entirely up to the army doctors to determine if my nephew is so autistic he can be excused, or if he is like me, mildly autistic but normal enough to serve nonetheless. So let me jump to the punchline, they did just that, they looked at his current JC and said if you can get into a good school like that, then you can serve NS like all the other guys. So it is this Singaporean mentality that equates having good grades = you can't possibly have mental health issues. So the next best thing is for me and his father to prepare him the best we can for NS.

      2. I copied Laura because I wanted to be well liked. I work in sales, getting people to like me is a very simple, basic desire that governs my relationships with my clients. In my father's case, he spent his working life as a primary school teacher, so that means he doesn't need to get the students to 'like' him, instead in our traditional Asian society, students offer respect to the teacher automatically the moment you are part of that school and that's the social hierarchy. So by that token, my father always enjoyed that status and respect he was given by the students in the classroom - he didn't need to get them to like him, he was respected instantly. So after years of being in that kind of environment, he doesn't understand how people like Laura manage to get people to like her by being nice to people. I'm sure he has met people like Laura before but it would have never occurred to him that he needed to observe her and learn from her, to become more 'likable'.

      3. Some people think that needing people to like you all the time is being 'needy' and that there's a certain virtue in having the self-confidence to just do your own thing without constantly seeking the approval of those around you. That may be true but I think it is about achieving a good balance. Those who are oblivious to how others feel about them often come across as insensitive and have fewer friends.

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    5. 4. Going back to the topic of copying Laura, let me give you an analogy. I have a friend Anna who is always exercising, dieting and being so careful with her weight as she used to be fat, but she managed to lose it - she knows that the moment she lets down her guard, her weight will go back up again. Then I have another friend Lenny, he can eat what he wants and doesn't get fat - it's just his metabolism + his active lifestyle, but he is genuinely skinny. So someone like Lenny doesn't need to know about diets or count calories because he is skinny and fit already, he doesn't have the need to develop that knowledge whereas Anna on the other hand, needs that technical knowledge to achieve what Lenny's body does naturally with zero effort at all.

      So in my case, I'm like Anna: I'm autistic, social skills don't come naturally to me, so I need to look at someone like Laura and observe, learn, copy and emulate what she does in great detail in order to achieve that same result. Some people have much better social skills, perhaps it is a gift, perhaps they were brought up in an environment with loads of siblings + friends that nurtured that aspect of their social skills - either way, they don't have to "copy Laura" as they already know what to do when handling human relationships.

      So in my father's case, he has poor social skills yet for most of his life, as a teacher he is given unconditional respect by his students and the same from his two daughters at home (but not me), whilst we can talk about how this kind of respect offered in Asian society is very different from genuine friendships and in fact I've blogged about it before: https://limpehft.blogspot.com/2019/09/do-we-want-respect-or-simply-friendship.html?view=sidebar my father has been able to get away with his poor social skills all his life because of the way Asian society has allowed people like him to get away with it by substituting friendship with unconditional respect. That's just my father - multiply that across an entire country, an entire culture and you have serious problems if all grown adults have such shockingly bad social skills.

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    6. 1. Oh yeah my friend didnt get exempted totally, but he was assigned the role of secretary so he didnt have to march in the jungle where his skin would get unbearably itchy. Thats true asian society is obsessed with grades and schools so your nephew would be classified as relatively normal. At my western private school the teachers noticed something was off about me, but my asian parents were in denial and used grades to tell themselves otherwise.

      2. Seems to me your father has never really been out of his comfort while you always have. In fact it looks like you seek to leave your comfort zone very often haha. One can learn a lot of things that way, despite the risk.

      3. I wouldnt say wanting people to like you is any different from wanting a good job that pays a decent amount of money. The "bad" part of wanting something is when you are so desperate you wont take no for an answer or will settle for an abusive relationship. When you have good social skills you can cherry pick good people to be with and avoid bad people. Similarly, if one has a good CV they can pick good jobs with good pay and easy going coworkers, instead of taking any job that is offered.

      Also humans werent designed to be alone, which is why solitary confinement is one of the worst punishments in prison. The people who complain about neediness tend to be the ones with such good social skills that they unconsciously always make other people like them that they draw unwanted attention. My best friend is like this, in adulthood she's sick of people and intentionally like a lonely autistic person, while I'm the reverse. In fact I think we're still friends after decades because she knows as a solitary autistic person I will always give her her space.

      The lucky thing about us autistics is that we only make people like us when we want to, so we are always in control of the situation. Some normal people arent, it almost feels as bad as being an autistic without social skills in some ways, not being able to "turn off" your social skills that too many people want to talk to you all the time.

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    7. 1. If you had some kind of medical problem to do with your vital organs, your skin, your eyes, your ears, your spinal chord, your knees or wrists etc - then it's a lot more straightforward in terms of evaluating how unfit you are, especially if it comes down to reviewing an X-ray. But for autism, it is a mental health issue - the problem is that for so many years, a lot of guys in Singapore pretend to be insane to try to avoid NS (or get lighter duties) by feigning mental health issues. Thus the army will have their own panel of experts who will evaluate all autism cases and I have reliable sources that tell me that you have zero chance of seeing any mercy in from of this panel of medical doctors who assume that anyone who claims to have a mental health problem is a liar trying to get out of doing NS and they respond by certifying them 100% fit for service. Did many guys try to pretend to be crazy to get out of NS in the past? Yes, many did. Does it make the current climate of suspicion and cynicism on the part of the medical officers fair? No it doesn't, but some people do genuinely have mental health issues but they are going to be accused of being liars trying to get out of NS and it is up to them to prove that their mental health issues are real. I have known of cases whereby guys with genuine mental health issues get certified as 100% healthy and fit - thus they are sent into their unit being labeled liars who need extra tough discipline, most just killed themselves under such circumstances because not only are their mental health issues ignored, they have been punished for 'lying' about their mental health.

      So under such circumstances, there is a part of me that would rather my nephew just struggle through NS like everyone else without being labeled a liar trying to get out of NS, because to try to get a downgrade/exemption and then failing because the army doctors are so cynical is far worse than just saying, "I'm ready to do what my country wants me to do." This is how toxic the system is.

      2. Yes one learns a lot when you're out of your comfort zone. I enjoy it a lot, such as when I am working with people who speak a language other than English, I always speak their language instead of English even if they can speak English because I believe in taking myself out of my comfort zone. Likewise for sports, I force myself to train difficult skills when I am doing my gymnastics whereas most adults my age simply do something very gentle and relaxing like swimming or jogging where they are well within their comfort zones. It boils down to the settlers vs maximers theory again.

      3. It's incredible how you and I have learnt so much about social skills even though we are both autistic but other people don't learnt as much. I have always used a great analogy for this: in the winter Olympics, there is the sport of blind skiing, ie. people who can't ski flying down the slope like they are Olympic champions. It is crazy because these blind skiers are skiing (with zero or very little vision) so much better than most people, even those who have skied all their lives. They even have a guide who skis next to them to make sure they stay on the track and not veer off into the trees, cos they can't see the trees - they are blind! Yet these blind skiers are such magnificent skiers because they have overcome their disability - that's the equivalent of people like you and I developing such good social skills, what we're doing is pretty remarkable. We're not 'normal' - we're as extraordinary as those blind skiers in doing what we are doing, we're extraordinary Amanda.

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    8. 1. Oh yeah, I had a friend who could not stand the abuse in NS and had to see a psychologist. He told the psychologist that he was suffering from anxiety and that some days he felt like taking his gun and shooting his sergeant. They moved him to a job as a secretary for the rest of NS after that, and did not permit him to hold a gun. Later in life he was diagnosed with full-on depression and needs medications and regular therapy just to function. I think NS may have exacerbated his underlying condition, but their system surely would not have made concessions at the beginning for depression since they're so wary of people trying to get out of NS. This is a pretty brutal system, especially since Sg isn't at war. I kinda wonder what the Korean or Israeli NS is like, especially since the Israeli version makes girls do NS as well (Wonderwoman's Gal Gadot did NS too).

      2. So I think the reason why you and your father don't get along that well is because you are very adventurous and want to see what's over the rainbow while he's content to stay in his lane. And yeah you don't get to be more than you are if you don't dream and more importantly, try to live those dreams even if they might not turn out how you think. Sports or languages are a great way to explore this. On the surface something like gymnastics or learning french seems so simple, the equipment doesn't change as you get better, basic words stay the same, but how your knowledge of rules to combine them together does. When I tried fencing for the first time I thought it was just whacking each other with swords as hard as possible, but then I learned about footwork, timing, combo moves, etc. Likewise when I studied German I found simple phrases easy, but then putting them together in a grammar that differs from English may sound daunting at first, but still has a distinct pattern to it. I think learning how to play a sport or study a new language is more reflective of the problem solving skills one needs to do well in the workplace compared to studying for exams in school. The process and layers of depths in sports/languages are much more intricate than the toy examples we see in school exams.

      3. Yeah what I've learnt in life is that talent is nothing without the hard work to maximize the utility of said talent. I know in professional sports like soccer there are very talented teenagers who never made it because they refused to train often and eat right and not get fat(so many fat failed players...). Likewise someone can be very talented at maths, but it would benefit them more to study the works of previous scientists instead of expecting to derive everything from scratch(take too long, and why reinvent the wheel?).

      Many people are too arrogant to realize that haha. Like Isaac Newton said, "If I have achieved anything, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants." So I think the most successful people are the ones who are humble enough to acknowledge their shortcomings and work on them, rather than developing a big ego around their natural talents and not bothering to develop them. And usually the people with the most humble egos are the ones with some type of disability that society shames. There was one Brazilian World Cup winner who was born with one leg being 6 cm shorter than the other, where a doctor classified him as crippled as a child:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrincha

      But apparently lack of grit can be a bigger disability than uneven legs or autism haha. I'd say Alex you've achieved more in sales than what many normal people have, just as some songwriters of hit songs are tone deaf apparently. Life is weird but beautiful.

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    9. 1. Oh if you're mentally unstable before you enter NS, then the stress of NS is going to send you crashing over the edge of the cliff rather than magically fix all your mental health issues - the problem is that many Singaporeans actually believe in the latter for some bizarre reason. In the case of your friend, if the psychologist felt that the threat was real, then steps needed to be taken to prevent a mass shooting. Cos we were handling real ammunition, I remembered this case where a guy shot and killed his officer, then turned the gun on himself. Shit like that does happen in NS, so if your friend's threat felt real enough, then the psychologist would be in big trouble if that threat was in the notes but no action was taken prior to a mass shooting. S Korea is at war with N Korea and Israel is always having a lot of tension with their neighbours so NS is a lot more tough there although in a different way. I had an Israeli friend at university and we compared our NS experience. In Singapore, I would get told off for not polishing my boots enough because, hey it is peacetime, they have to find some kind of excuse to tell you off so they'll pick on little details like your boots. In Israel, my friend said they never got told off - he told me once about how his platoon got hit by a rocket mortar attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel and his friend got hurt really bad, he was lucky as he was standing behind a wall when the mortar it but his friend was completely exposed in the street. So he dragged his friend to safety but his friend still died - at the military hospital, his officer came up to him and told my friend that he had tried his best. Then he helped my friend clean the dried blood off his boots - that's the kind of thing that happens in Israel. It's a far cry from Singapore. I think it makes them stop messing around when that's the kind of situation they have to handle whereas in Singapore, the absence of a real threat makes the soldiers get up to no good.

      2. Well my father has lived in Singapore all his life yet he made zero effort to learn English even though he had 8 decades to try. Talk about refusing to come out of one's comfort zone, even if it is learning something so useful in Singapore.

      3. I went against the grain - people usually play to their strengths (such as me picking gymnastics instead of say rugby or basketball) but for someone like me to make sales my career is insane given that I am autistic. I'm like the blind skier doing something that I am not supposed to be able to do given my disability. But I'm doing it anyway and doing it quite well.

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    10. 1. Lol, this is the real NS, where they actually have a job to do instead of picking on each other for no reason.

      2. Yeah, some people just don't have much need to expand their horizons.

      3. Sometimes I think having an unusual perspective also makes you more likely to succeed. I mean, when you think of it natural charisma is only one way to do things, but what if you need to be creative to come up with an unusual solution nobody has thought of before? Then it helps to have an outsider's perspective. I've seen this tonnes of times in science, where its not uncommon for the breakthrough to be found by a scientist from a totally different field who felt like making a career change all of a sudden. For example, one of the founders of the human genome project(first human entire DNA sequencing), Eric Lander, actually has a PhD in mathematics from Oxford(and bachelors in math from Princeton).

      He got into DNA sequencing purely by chance, and now works in genetics. It turns out he was much better at analyzing DNA than biologists who spent 10 years studying only biology because the problem was so new it turned out to require a lot of quantitative data analysis instead of the typical qualitative analysis biologists rely on (think A level biology where you have to memorize lots of names and facts). Nowadays a bioinformatics degree is provided jointly by computer science and biology departments, and sometimes the math departments, because that's the trail that Eric Lander blazed despite having no prior experience in biology before doing genetics research.

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  2. @LIFT I went thru NS which was every bit as horrible and worse (almost charged for insubordination, but you know how I am).

    The only difference is that my dad was young enough to go thru NS as well. In fact he was trained by Isrealis, wore a super bulky metal helmet and saw many bunk mates jump down to their death rather than bear another day of torment from the "trainers". He seldom spoke of his NS experience and I can understand why.

    But you better warn your nephew since his mother and or grandparents will have this sanitised view of what it is based on what the PAP or mass media sells them.

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    1. I have news for you: my nephew reads my blog! I am so proud to have him as a reader. My sister said she was pleased he did it as it would expose him to my style of arguing a case and he doesn't read much anyway. So he is 100% aware of my stance on NS and I do talk to him about it. His father did serve NS as well but more to the point, I've made it very clear to my nephew, "grandma and grandpa love you but they are completely uneducated, so you cannot believe a word they say. Always verify anything they tell you with your parents or me."

      The problem with my sister though is different - she is a woman, she hasn't served NS, but her male peers did. I don't think she was close to any of them for them to be totally honest with how horrific the system is, perhaps just one but no more - the rest of them would put up a brave face and not talk to her about how they suffered in NS. After all, she was one of those pretty girls they wanted to impress and ask out on a date - confessing to the pretty girl that you suffered in NS is not a good opening gambit when asking a pretty girl out. So I fear they probably brandished tales of how brave and tough they were, exaggerating stories at times to make them come across as Rambo - just to impress her into saying yes to a date. If that's the way she got information from her male Singaporean friends who served NS, then I worry that she is getting a very biased version of the story. She may argue of course that she is not naive, she knows when a guy is bullshitting her in a desperate bid to impress her but I can't help but feel that this experience of hearing all of those stories (told with the intent to impress her) has influenced her opinion of NS. So it is not even the PAP or mass media - my sister supports WP, she is 100% anti-PAP, but if I told her one story of NS being horrific and she gets 100 stories from guys trying to impress her with their tales of NS bravery (just to ask her out on a date), I really don't like that ratio.

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    2. Actually if I may add one point please: just telling my nephew "NS sucks, you're going to suffer a lot, life is horrible, Singapore is nasty." Well that doesn't help his situation, does it? Simply telling someone that there is a problem without offering a solution doesn't help. In my case, I developed the social skills to cope with the challenges in NS - I just needed some acknowledgement from my family of the suffering I was going through, I was looking for some understanding and I didn't get it because they weren't prepared to acknowledge my version of the story whereas in my nephew's case, he needs someone to offer more than a scathing condemnation of the whole Singaporean system - no, he needs more than that. He needs someone to talk to regarding how to cope, rather than just sit there, from 8 time zones telling him, "you're going to suffer, life is going to hell, the system is broken and you're going to pay a high price for this." His needs are a lot more complex and don't forget, this teenager is autistic - he may not be stupid but he is still very lacking in the social skills department.

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  3. All who have went through ns suffer one way or another.

    Autistic people serving ns will most likely to have suffer more as they are not able to speak up properly and communicate under harsh environment as others would. As they are not able to mix in with others and ended up alone, all kinds of animal behaviour will be thrown upon them. That is why so many incidents and suicides occurred. These awful memories will affect them even after they completed full time ns, which make singaporeans rather poor employees compared to foreigners.

    NS did not make singapore males strong and tough. Instead it made a lot of them lazy, stupid, weak and useless bumass. They ends up unable to compete in life, fighting for better jobs, money and career, so many during ICT ends up jobless or only earning peanuts. They did not become physical fit, but only ends up being retarded babies.

    If only there is one leader determine to rise above all, united everyone and leads them to build up a team. Everyone in this team will benefits. But that is rarely found in ns service.

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    1. Like I said, this is the Lord of the Flies situation - when I was in NS, I was often working with people barely a few months older than me. They were teenagers who had no idea what the hell they were doing as well, hence chaos ensues. I made the best of the situation.

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    2. That's good for you.

      For me I choose to go the opposite way, using the time to read chinese historical classic books and go buddha way 苦行僧 definitely the wrong way. No wonder Buddha give up 苦行僧, way to enlightenment is wrong. One person suffering pain and negative thoughts will never get enlightenment. 吃得苦中苦 方为人上人 is wrongly taught. Human must use their rationale mind and make logical actions and decisions to reach the best outcome which is the best for them under harsh environment.

      It was terrible and sad period. I suffered the worst and i don't know why the government and those ns jokers around me choose the route to make humans become animals. It definitely had a bad impact on Singapore society. No love no trust only selfish citizens. As you can observed the brightest cream left for other shores.

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  4. I heard London had a further covid lock down. Hope everything fine with you there. So now u can spent more time at home and write more on blog.

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    1. Yes we entered our third lockdown on Sunday (yesterday) and most of us are frustrated as hell I swear. Many countries have closed their borders with us out of fear of this new English mutant virus and it is just the uncertainty that is scary, nobody knows what will happen, how this will affect our food supplies if France blocks all traffic from the UK, the impact it would have one our supply chains. As if 2020 isn't bad enough, well things just got a lot worse.

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    2. Being stuck between crazy covid strain and Brexit. Sounds like UK is going thru a typical post-apocalyptic scenario only portrayed in movies like 28 Days Later.

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    3. Well things are bad but it's just like in lockdown - the streets are quiet as everything is shut, no Christmas shopping to be done. But actually I was worried there would be food shortages, instead the supermarkets were doing big discounts for Christmas foods. Due to the new lockdown measures, big Christmas gatherings are banned and you're not allowed to see anyone outside your household, so the supermarkets are worried that nobody is going to buy all that usual Christmas festive food so prices have ironically gone down but we'll see if France will play hardball when it comes to the border or if we can work something out with the French to at least ensure that food supplies are not interrupted as a lot of our food comes from the European continent.

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    1. Thank you my friend, I am writing a blog post about it now.

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  6. Hi Limpeh, I'll maybe write a longer comment later, but I just wanted to make a quick observation here. I think it's really insightful that you said "You can take the boy out of Singapore, but you can't take Singapore out of the boy". I was actually considering broaching the very same saying to you but wasn't sure how you would react so I held back. But since you made the observation yourself, all good!

    I don't think you need to condemn yourself for thinking or behaving like a Singaporean/Chinese/Asian person. I don't believe there is anything intrinsically wrong or inferior about Asian culture. There are advantages and disadvantages about both Western and Asian culture. I used to have this thinking too that I thought I would be happier in USA/Canada and that I wanted to be completely whitewashed but now from the vantage point of my mid-30s, I realize that there are elements of Asian-ness in me that are deep rooted and I have no intention of changing, and also came to the conclusion that US/Canada is different but not necessarily superior to Asia.

    As you mentioned a lot of the issue you had with your parents was that they didn't take an interest in you or support or nurture you while you were growing up (even though they occasionally did with your sisters eg. Bringing them to the reservoir). I think for you it requires you to tease out which parts of your resentment are from your parents' neglect of you and which parts are due to Asian culture. Then it might be easier for you to accept and embrace your Asianness.

    Maybe I'll add more later.

    ciao

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    2. Hi Stargazr, thanks for your comment, a few points if I may in response please.

      1. What I have learnt is that instead of expecting one's culture (be it rooted in the East or the West) to somehow be the guiding light that will supply all answers to difficult issues in life, one has to take a lot of personal responsibility when it comes to one's moral fiber. What frustrated me a lot with my father was the way he assumed that my brain has been corrupted by ideas from the evil, decadent West because I was educated in English (instead of a Chinese-medium school where all subjects are taught in Mandarin). But he totally neglected the fact that as my father, he was in a good position to try to have a strong influence over my cultural identity in my childhood - he totally failed and as a result, had very little influence and instead tried to blame the education system when really, he should be looking in the mirror and acknowledging his shortcomings and failures as a father. There are good and bad people both in the East and the West, so it goes to show that it's not their dominant culture per se that produces a better society or better kind of people, but so much still boils down to how the individuals negotiates their relationship with those around them.

      2. You're writing a point that I have already covered many, many times on my blog, so you're not addressing a new issue. I have said this many times already on my blog: I hated my father so much when I was a child growing up, but when you're a teenager and you can't break away from the family for many years to come, you cannot just acknowledge that hatred because you're not in a position to do anything about it. So I shifted that hatred to his culture and language and that was why I struggled so much with the Chinese language as a child (talk about a self-fulfilling prophesy: I willed myself to become terrible at Chinese then) whilst I am currently writing marketing materials for the Taiwanese market in traditional Chinese and conducting complex business negotiations entirely in Mandarin with my Taiwanese clients. I realized of course that since I speak 25 languages, there's no reason for me to suck at Chinese at all - in fact, I'm fucking brilliant in Chinese. It was only my passive-aggressive nature to pretend to be really bad at Chinese as my father considered that a personal shame because he was a Chinese teacher who couldn't teach his own son Chinese, hence I was hoping to irk him and upset him thus.

      3. I don't know if you remember me taking a DNA test in 2012 and blogging about it - I'm officially mixed anyway, I'm Eurasian. Quite frankly, everyone's a bit mixed, it's just a question of what mix of different ethnicities you are. Receiving that DNA result was like a load off my shoulders, because now I don't have to tick the box "Chinese" - I can legitimately tick "Other" or "Mixed". Look, most people speak one language or are only fluent in one language whilst they have a second language, that limits them to a dominant culture that is determined by their first language. So a Japanese person would predominantly consume Japanese culture, a Russian person would predominantly consume Russian culture etc - but in my case, I speak 25 languages and access an insane array of culture; regardless of what my DNA may reveal, I am culturally a lot more mixed than my father - whose inability to speak English restricts him to just Chinese culture all his life. I am much happier ticking the box that is either "Mixed" or "Other" because that correlates to what I feel my true identity is based on my DNA and my cultural identity, rather than something arbitrary like my father's surname. It is more important for me to define whom I am strictly on my own terms rather than embrace something that connects me to my ancestors.

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    4. 4. Finally, good grief - my father did take my sister to the reservoir once, maybe that took 2 hours? Long enough for them to walk around and take a photograph. That's NOT taking an interest in her life. My father is such a terrible neglectful parent that he doesn't spend any time finding out what my sisters got up to - you can't just show me one photo from our childhood and say, "see? I took you to the reservoir that one time, it took me nearly two hours to do that. There, I have fulfilled my duty as a father." Holy fuck, no no no! A good father needs to take the time every single fucking day to check in on his children rather than say, "I've taken you to the reservoir that one time, now I can neglect and ignore you for the rest of your life." Good parenting is a daily, long-term commitment and it is not fulfilled by one-off events like a trip to the park or the reservoir. My father was a FUCKING AWFUL TERRIBLE SHITTY father to my sisters even if he took them to the reservoir that one time - let that be clear. I really need to emphasize just how FUCKING AWFUL he was as a father to them. Taking them to the reservoir that one time doesn't make him a good father, this is why I say it is so important for me to tell my side of the story, strictly in my terms - hell no, my father was a terrible father to my two sisters. He was fucking awful. I can't stress just how fucking awful he was as a father to them. He never had time for them, he neglected them, he never loved them. He was such a bad father. I can't believe you think that just because he brought them to the reservoir once he was a good father who actually took any interest in what they did - what if he wanted to go to the reservoir and they begged him to tag along?

      Fucking awful.

      Just fucking awful.

      Get it? He was a fucking awful father to my sisters.

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    5. If you're pointing out to me that I still hate my father (regardless of his health situation), then yeah, I think that is pretty fucking obvious for all to see.

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    6. Hi Limpeh,
      Here's another abbreviated reply from me.

      I know you've covered your distant relationship to your father and the fallout from that being part of the reason for your distancing yourself from your Chinese roots, that's not what I was trying to convey as being a novel point.

      What I meant was that despite moving to London, making new friends, integrating into another culture (all of which great btw), there still a kernel of Asian-ness lurking within you. I'm not sure how much you've explored your enduring facets of Asianness on your blog, as there are probably portions of your blog I've missed, but this is the first time I'm reading it. Coming from my perspective, I don't see this Asianness as something to be expunge or be ashamed of (and maybe the determinist in me would even question if it were possible to completely expunge), but in the end it's of course completely your choice how you wish to define yourself. Would you say that even as you define yourself on your own terms, there is still some part of this self-definition that includes your culture of origin? And from another angle, regardless of how you choose to define yourself, how others view you is not completely dependent on your own self-determination but also on factors out of your control, such as their own background and prejudices - would you agree?

      Also, regarding DNA tests, I heard they can be inaccurate especially when claiming someone is 1/8 or 1/16 of something (I had one done myself too at the request of someone else). But I'm not an expert on these tests either so I could be wrong.

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    7. Sorry I think our comments seemed to have crossed wires. I didn't read #4 and the comment following it before I wrote the other reply.

      I brought up the point of your father taking your sister to the reservoir because I thought I recalled reading you seeing the photo of them at the reservoir and thinking, why didn't also bring me there as well. I do recall that in other blog posts you did also mention that your parents treated your sisters badly as well.

      I apologize, I was out of line mentioning this reservoir thing. I don't think it was particularly salient to whatever my original train of thought was either.

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    8. I'm sorry I got emotional - but it's like I give you one piece of evidence: my father took my eldest sister to the reservoir sometime in the 1970s and a photo was taken on that day. To go from that one piece of evidence to then conclude that he spent time with them (even occasionally) is going to far. My eldest sister's childhood would be defined from the day she was born to the day she turns 18, that's a period of 18 years. Maybe he was good to her that day he took her to the reservoir, but for the record if I may please, he was a hopelessly neglectful awful father to her for 99% of those 18 years. It's like I'm sure we can find an example of Hitler having done something kind or charitable in his lifetime, but would you then focus on that one act of kindness and say, "Hitler must be such a nice man".

      I know I am extremely sensitive about this topic because this exercise has always been about me having the chance to tell my side of the story, I want my voice to be heard and I get very upset when someone reads part of my story and then comes away with a wrongful impression like my father was a good father to my sister - perhaps there's a more polite way for me to remind you that I'd like you to listen to my side of the story instead of getting very angry and screaming fucking this fucking that fucking everything. So if I may, calmly and politely, allow me to state for the record: my father was an awful father to my sisters. That's my side of the story and I'd appreciate it if I may just leave that fact there.

      As for the other point about defining yourself - I think it doesn't matter whether or not the DNA test was accurate or not. We live in a world which is far more complex culturally and you can't stuff people into boxes - let me give you a good example: I have a very good friend Nadine who is half French, she has a grandmother who doesn't speak any English yet she barely speaks any French. When I speak to her in French, she replies in English. She has never lived in France (unlike me), she didn't attend a French university (unlike me) and often she remarks that even though she is half French, I am far more French than she is given how I speak French like a native, when I meet French people they automatically switch to French because they assume I'm one of them. Now would Nadine try to analyze my DNA to find out what percentage of my ancestry can be traced to France? No, she used real tangible measures she could evaluate such as by the way I interact with French people and how good my French is. And that's just one language - how many do I speak?! When I am with Latino people, I'm one of them as I speak Spanish, then when I am with Welsh people etc etc. You get the idea, so I am pointing out that I have an important skill that most people don't have - my ability to speak 25 languages that changes the way people perceive me. A French woman I met recently assumed that I must have been either born in France or had lived there for 10 or more years (her words not mine) when she heard the way I speak French. Sure people may make certain assumptions when they see me but wait till I open my mouth.

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    9. Thank you for taking the time to reply. Again, I would like to apologize for invading your safe space to have your voice heard and your experience validated, with my ill-conceived comment. It was never my intention to contradict or interrupt or talk over your story or take up space in your safe space, so I deeply apologize that I did so. It's not an excuse, but I hurriedly typed out my original comment during a short break at work instead of thinking it through more thoroughly how it would be received.

      I can see how you have a talent to blend in with a wide variety of different groups from different cultures and backgrounds, which has served you well in your professional and personal life. I, too, have (or at least used to have when I was younger), that ability to blend in, but it is at least partly because I lived and grew up in 7 different countries before I turned 18. The fact that you were able to teach yourself 25 languages and cultures when you grew up completely in Singapore is nothing short of amazing.

      Do you feel like there is any amount of Chinese/Singaporean/Asian culture still within you?

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    10. Hi Stargazr, I'm sorry I got upset, I should have controlled my emotions. I think sometimes people misjudge their comments because they feel the need to say something positive/optimistic and that's not a bad or wrong thing. Often we can encounter people who are all doom & gloom, it isn't wrong to tell these people to consider some factors that they have yet to consider, in order to make them feel better about the situation. However, this is a fine art and I've seen people get it terribly wrong. Oh like this time, there was a woman who was given the terminal cancer diagnosis and her friend felt the need to say something nice to give some hope - so she went on and on about alternative therapies in a desperate bid to convey the message, "we'll try something radical, we'll find a cure for your cancer" when it was painfully obvious that if the best surgeons in the cancer ward couldn't treat her cancer, trying St John's wort, gingko nuts and echinacea was somehow going to make the cancer go away.

      If I was having this conversation with a family friend who has watched me grown up, then that family friend would be in a position to cite instances that my father has proven himself to be a good father to his children - that family friend would be in a unique position to have that insight of course and thus can actually perform this "hey, I'm going to change your mind with evidence" approach. I got really upset with another reader (she never came back - I'm not going to make the same mistake here) when she got overly optimistic, gave my father the benefit of the doubt and I got so angry with her. Of course, her intentions were kind and noble - she saw that I was upset over the matter, she wanted to cheer me up. But she had no evidence to support her argument that perhaps my father wasn't as bad a father as I had presented, so she simply gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed that I had been too harsh without offering any real evidence and that upset me of course because I felt like she wasn't listening to my side of the story. In your case, you did listen to my story but came up with an ill-conceived comment relating to the photo at the reservoir but I know your intentions are noble at the end of the day. I know you are listening to me, sometimes finding the right way to respond is difficult - but allow me to make a little suggestion if I may please: the best way to respond sometimes is to simply acknowledge what the other person has said, you don't even need to agree with them - sometimes all they need to know is that someone has listened to what they have to say, that's all. That's all I want at this stage, someone to listen to my side of the story. I'm not after revenge, I'm not here to shame my father - I just want a record of my side of the story, shared on my terms, that's all. I didn't mean to be rude to you Stargazr, I'm sorry.

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    11. Ooops. Punctuation error: I meant to end the first paragraph above with a question mark, ie. as if trying all these herbs was somehow going to make the cancer go away?

      As for part 2 of your question, when you speak another language, it allows you access to another social group. So for example, I speak Spanish well and it is an official language spoken in 20 countries, spoken as a second language and lingua franca in many more, it is the third most spoken language in the world and even though it has no official status in America, the USA is the world's second most Spanish speaking country with an estimated 65 million Spanish speakers there - so about 20% of the population of the US is Spanish speaking and that percentage is growing fast. So when you are a Spanish speaker, you could be from one of the many countries in the world where Spanish is spoken and used as a lingua franca, so it is not a language tied to one country in particular (like Spain) but a greater group of Spanish speaking communities and if you speak Spanish, you're part of that group. So for example, I have an English friend from gymnastics who is totally fluent in Spanish and he self-identifies as part of that group, we make loads of jokes about how to define him as a gringo who speaks Spanish like a local, but when he is with Spanish speakers, he is clearly one of them and he gains access to that social group via his linguistic abilities. We only speak to each other in Spanish in the gym when we see each other because of this acknowledgment of that side of our identities reflecting choices we have made to embrace the Spanish language. And of course, until I started learning Spanish at the age of 25, I didn't speak any Spanish but given that's 19 years ago, I've had 19 years to get my Spanish to a stage where I can be treated as "he's a Spanish speaker from somewhere in the Spanish speaking world, he is one of us."

      And that's just one language I can do that with - I can do the same over a number of languages from Malay to French to Portuguese to Italian to German to Russian to Hokkien to Dutch to Cantonese to Welsh. So let me give you an example from my gym, once we had a new gymnast come along, she was French and she didn't speak much English, so I introduced her to all the French-speaking people in the gym (quite a few actually) to make her feel more comfortable, knowing that she could speak to us in French rather than struggle on in English, her second language. Her situation is very typical of most people who speak 2 languages and hence by default of that limitation, cling onto people who speak their first language. But when you speak as many languages as I do and truly enjoy speaking so many languages, then I actively seek the complete opposite, if I meet someone in the gym who speaks another language (I met a Dutch speaker just before lockdown 3.0) - I immediately switched to Dutch even though that Dutch guy was completely fluent in English because I wanted to connect with him as a Dutch speaker who has access to so many things about Dutch culture that only a Dutch speaker would. So my instincts are the complete opposite of what most people would do.

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    12. As for whether I feel Singaporean/Chinese/Asian - I think there is definitely, but it has to be qualified. I speak several Asian languages: Mandarin, Hokkien, Cantonese, Malay/Indonesian to a reasonably high standard, with some knowledge of Japanese and Korean on top of that. If we were to use that measure alone, I'm probably more Asian than most Asian people but of course, that's not the yardstick that most people use. I may be able to speak Mandarin for example, but would I choose to consume media in Chinese? The answer is no. Take something as simple as comedy on Youtube - I love watching comedians making me laugh, I do that in four languages on social media: English, French, Spanish and Welsh. Those are my top 4 languages with the exception of Mandarin, which would be my third language between French and Spanish. Mandarin is what I use for business, for work - but would I watch a Chinese movie or even a short clip on Youtube of a Chinese comedian telling jokes? Nope, I would never do that. But would I track down every single Youtube video from my favourite comedians from Latin America? You bet I do and that is despite the fact that my Mandarin is better than my Spanish. All that despite the fact that I speak better Mandarin than the vast majority of Singaporeans, but if you look at the Youtube channels I subscribe to - there are none in Mandarin and plenty in French, Spanish and Welsh. I think that's a far more accurate reflection of one's culture identity rather than knowledge of the language per se. When armed with so many languages, I have a choice of which language I use to access social media and I think those choices tell you much more about one's cultural identity (which I think is fluid and can be self-determined).

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  7. Hi LIFT, I have something interesting to ask you. You are a polygot and you have learned multiple languages. Have you experienced language attrition in your native tongue?(English, Chinese and French) If so, how do you cope with it. I think someone with considerable intellectual and memory capacity may not have to deal with this problem. On the other hand, if someone with ADHD or learning disabilities picks up a third language, he/she may face this problem. I would like to know about your stance on this issue. When I started learning french, I did deal with some language attrition issues with my English, and my chinese became rusty since I didn't have to take Chinese in a polytechnic. However, after speaking in Chinese most of the time to Chinese people residing in Singapore, I think my conversational Chinese has gotten somewhat better, but my written chinese is terrible.I scored A2 in English and Chinese at the O levels, but I realise that there are a lot of Chinese words which I don't know how to pronounce-it feels like climbing Mount Everest. I realise I can never gain full mastery in my first two languages, so I thought I might as well be mediocre at three languages than mediocre at two. What are your thoughts on this issue?

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    1. Hi Bella, allow me to answer your question by starting with an analogy. I have a freezer that is pretty full - you'll find loads of ice cream in there along with other frozen foods, ice cubes, ready meals and I did see this big tub of ice cream that I liked in the supermarket the other day but I couldn't buy it for a simple reason: I knew there was no space left in my freezer for it, I had to take something out of the freezer before I have more space to fit that big tub of ice cream into the (already very crowded) freezer. Sometimes I call it playing freezer Tetris when I take everything out and put it back in, packing in carefully so I can fit more in.

      Our brains are not like that. I don't face language attrition at all. My brain is not like my freezer, I don't have to take out some knowledge to free up space for learning something new! My brain does a great job of re-organizing the knowledge in order for me to keep learning more and more stuff all the time. In fact my top three languages have not suffered any attrition at all, they only keep getting better but if we go down to a language much further down the list like Russian or Italian, then due to the lack of use I have become rusty in those languages.

      But let's be clear: the reason why I am rusty in Russian is because I don't have anyone to speak Russian with during the lockdown and I'm not doing enough to compensate that by say watching loads of Russian programmes on Youtube. It is very clear why my Russian has suffered as a result of me being cut-off from my Russian speaking friends in London (lockdown 3.0) - but it is not because my brain is full and has decided to take something out in order to make space for more knowledge.

      So you must stop thinking that your brain is like a freezer, in this case, my very full freezer. I swear I need to stop buying more stuff and start eating some of the food in my freezer, then I can go out and buy that big tub of fancy ice cream. In any case, I'm autistic, but I have met people with ADHD and learning disabilities in Switzerland who easily speak 3 or 4 languages - so it is not even that learning disabilities can be a factor as long as you have the right motivation. The person I met in Geneva with severe learning disabilities spoke French, German and English fluently because she had a French speaking mother, German speaking father and English is every in Switzerland anyway so with the right motivation, someone who is classed as mentally subnormal (or retarded, the less-PC term) can still become effectively trilingual. So I'm like, so what's your excuse? I think people should stop using any kind of excuse like ADHD/learning disabilities and just take on the challenge. I did talk a lot about the people at the Paralympics achieving greatness in sport despite being blind or not having a leg or arm, they have every excuse to sit at home and feel sorry for themselves yet they are out there proving the world wrong. I'm autistic and have Asperger's syndrome, yet I am making a successful career in sales which requires excellent social skills, the one thing that autistic people lack.

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    2. I'm terribly sorry to sound harsh, but my first thoughts are that you need to stop making excuses and stop feeling sorry for yourself. Your Chinese will only improve if you are placed in a situation whereby you need to use it daily with someone who isn't able to switch to English and you need to get the job done - that's exactly what happened to me when I started doing business with Taiwan and they speak no English at all there. However, if you're not in a position to constantly use your Chinese, you aren't going to improve it - it's that simple. Your grades that you got back in school have no correlation with the state of your language today - how much you do use it ultimately depends on how good it is. However, the languages that have gone rusty can always be revived with some hard work, preferably in an environment where you can have total immersion. My Russian improved so much when I was in Georgia - Georgian is a crazy difficult language isolate but Russian is widely spoken since it is a former USSR-country, so when I took my long trip there in 2019, I got by using Russian in the country and it got to the point where I was having long conversations entirely in Russian with my driver in Vardzia. Of course, I wouldn't be able to do a conversation like that today due to the lack of practice, but that experience tells me that I can easily take out my Russian today, dust it down, revive it with a lot of hard work and practice and it can become good again. Let's be clear: it will involve a lot of HARD HARD HARD HARD work. So much HARD work. So before you give up, ask yourself this: how much hard work have you invested into becoming multi-lingual?

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    3. @Bella, @LIFT is right as usual. Conversing with me in Mandarin today someone would be mistaken into thinking I scored an A1 or took higher Chinese while in school. Neither of which were true (I scored a measly C6). But I was forced by circumstances to level up my Mandarin as I had to communicate with PRC locals for my job (I worked in Shenzhen for a time but that is a story for another day. So when a Chinese teacher like @LIFT's dad told other people that my Mandarin was very good I ended up being slightly bemused. I did not have the heart to tell him I failed almost all my Chinese tests and exams during school and only scraped by a C6 due to luck (or pity by the examiners).

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    4. I think Bella's approach to learning Chinese is completely wrong because she is ignoring the role of technology. Computers have completely changed the way we use Chinese these days and you must see what is going on in China today which is an extremely high-tech society. There is a phenomena called 提笔忘字 ("lift pen forget word" - character amnesia) - the fact is most young people write Chinese either on a QWERTY keyboard on their laptops or on their phones, it is such a high tech society that nobody actually uses pen and paper to write stuff anymore. Hence many Chinese people simply rely on the predictive text to guess what they're trying to say from the context once they input the Pinyin; so I don't have to know how to write 提笔忘字 - I just write ti bi wang zi then the computer will figure out what I am trying to say and that's precisely why young people in China are forgetting how to read/write in Chinese a lot of the time because they are using pinyin rather than the characters in the traditional way from a generation ago. I think the education system in Singapore still teaches Chinese in a very traditional way, forcing students to memorize thousands of characters through rote learning rather than take advantage of modern technology.

      I was never great at memorizing thousands of characters - but because of my experience in growing up with gymnastics coaches from China, the former PRC colleagues I've worked with, the number of Taiwanese clients I have, I have quite a good command of Mandarin because I have spent quality time with native speakers of Mandarin who are so articulate and eloquent that they can have fun with Mandarin, make original jokes and truly dazzle me with their command of Mandarin which is an expressive and intellectual language at the same time. I think the ultimate aim for me would be to have the mental dexterity to come up with original jokes on the spot in Mandarin, to be able to be creative in Mandarin the same way I can be in English, French or Spanish. So having a good command in Chinese doesn't mean being able to recognize every single character on a newspaper, I think it is more about having such a good command of the language, gleamed through thousands of hours of interaction with native speakers who are brilliantly articulate in the language - to be able to use Mandarin to express yourself like a true native speaker, but not just any native speaker but a highly educated, eloquent native speaker like one of those charming hosts on these popular Chinese TV programmes. I've actually worked with two Chinese celebrities like that - http://limpehft.blogspot.com/2015/10/reflections-on-my-chinese-tv-experience.html

      Bella, you're an adult now - you're no longer a student. You shouldn't approach a language like Chinese as if you're a student preparing for an exam; rather you need to approach it in a far more pragmatic way about how you're able to use it in the real world. The best advice I can give you is to try to befriend more people who speak Mandarin as a first language and have regular conversations with them: observe how they express themselves and interact with them, you'll learn so much that way as opposed to simply memorizing thousands of characters. Heck, even the young people in China today are guilty of 提笔忘字 - so why worry if you're in the same boat? I use modern technology to write my official work documents in Chinese these days and I can't bloody remember all those characters I need. I use pinyin, I have the knowledge of how to express myself in Mandarin, technology takes care of the 提笔忘字 aspect of the problem and I'm perfectly fine to deal with Chinese clients as a result.

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    5. Thank you LIFT, and Choaniki, that is the wake up call that I needed. Admittedly, I have spent more time practicing my piano as compared to practicing French. I should probably practice my French more, which is harder compared to piano, because I can just simply play the piano at home, whereas, for French, I would need to find someone to converse with. But the onus is on me to try to overcome my limitations and geographical boundaries and really mingle with more French speakers. And I am quite relieved to know that a lot of other Chinese speaking people are unable to write Chinese characters as well. Yes, languages are alive, not dead, and I should also actively aim to practice my Chinese. I remember that I was on a community service trip in China, and being forced to use the language really improved my competency by leaps and bounds. There are a lot of PRC folks in Singapore, so I guess that is a motivation for me to improve on my Chinese speaking abilities as well.

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    6. Hi Bella, there are two kinds of experiences when it comes to interacting with a language: active vs passive. Passive experiences include watching a Youtube video in French, you may not understand every word but no one is going to hold you to account for that. I tend to do that with the radio, I listen to French or Dutch radio stations for at least 1 to 2 hours a day just to have that exposure to those languages and challenge myself to listen to native speakers - I particularly like listening to the news in Dutch because it is challenging but at least that's in formal Dutch rather than colloquial Dutch which is a lot harder.

      But speaking to a real person (rather than just watching a video of listening to the radio) is a lot more beneficial especially if they are willing to teach you. So I have my Dutch friend at the gym whom I speak Dutch with and she wouldn't hesitate to correct me when I make mistakes in Dutch because she knows I want to learn. Now I never correct people when they make mistakes in English - I think it is rude and sometimes I think, what's the point. My sister mispronounces a word all the time, I've tried correcting her but after like the tenth time, I just give up and let it go. Many people who hear you speak French will have that same attitude like, "okay, I know what you're trying to say, you've made an error but I will let it go. C'est pas grave." Whereas you need someone to understand that you want them to correct you when you make a mistake. Mind you, when I had a very close friend at work who was from Shanghai, she took it upon herself to correct my Mandarin and I am most grateful to her for helping me improve my Mandarin - but just speaking with her daily was a great help as she used to make all these original jokes in Mandarin which were creative, witty and really funny. She could do that as Mandarin was her mother tongue (she couldn't do that in English) and that's a far cry from the way Singaporeans are taught Chinese in school. I remember how I screamed NO NO NO NO NO NO when my nephew used the phrase 急的像热锅上的蚂蚁 and I told him never to use that phrase - it was such a cliche and native speakers would never use a term like that. But my nephew's Mandarin is limited to what he can memorize, he simply hasn't able to be creative and original in Mandarin yet and that's why he defaults to cliches like that, but those cliches just makes me cringe. Hang around PRC folks more often and hear how they speak - then copy them.

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    7. I wonder does your nephew start his Mandarin compo with 一个风和日丽的早晨

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    9. He probably does. To be fair, he's the kind of kid who would memorize hundreds of stock phrases and 成语s/谚语s to prove to the Chinese teacher, "see, I studied hard, I spent hours memorizing all these stock phrases, now reward me for being a good student." But the way I see it, this just proves that you're good at memorizing stuff, it doesn't tell me how confident you are with the language - I've seen the way native speakers in Mandarin are so articulate and eloquent in Mandarin that they come up with their own original jokes and expressions. That's what a native speaker would do and that's what my nephew should be aiming for but unfortunately originality and creativity is rarely rewarded in our education system.

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    10. Talking about original Mandarin jokes...

      "How" translated to Mandarin is "怎么”;"you" is "你”; "old" is "老”. So
      how is the phrase "How are you" translated in China? "怎么是你“. Then how is the phrase "How old are you" translated? "怎么老是你”

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    11. I know the equivalent of that joke in Spanish but not in Mandarin!

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  8. Hi LIFT! Long time no see (not sure if you remember me at all haha)
    Thank you for sharing your experience about your relationship with your father - I hope the blogging has been therapeutic for you.

    As someone who has an utterly shitty father, especially in some ways exactly the same as yours, I totally understand how you feel. To be honest, your sharing has been much more compassionate than what I expected. People who find you harsh - they either have pretty decent, but flawed parents, so they just don't get how bad it was, and as a result feel that you must be exaggerating or have the deeply ingrained asian value of "always play down your parents' shittiness out of filial piety". There are many people that find it deeply uncomfortable to outright point out that their parents were shitty people, or were shitty parents to them.

    My grandfather (who, thankfully, has passed away already) - was an utterly shitty dad to ALL his children and he was an utter shitbag to my grandmother as well, and my dad hated him very much. But guess what? He totally grew up and turned out to be a much toned-down version of my grandfather - be it as a spouse, or as a parent. All my uncles and aunties hated my grandfather too - but it was only after his death that they even dared to publicly say that he was not a good person. I'm serious - even after his death, all they had the courage to say was that "he was a bad person". I was incredulous at how mild-mannered that description was - and no it wasn't because my uncles and aunties were well-brought up polite people or sth like that. In fact, my father's side's relatives are one of the most uncouth low down people who thrive in life stirring shit and making everyone around them suffer, but even these people didn't dare to talk bad about my grandfather after his death except point out a very mild fact. This is how ingrained "obsessed filial piety" is in Chinese culture.

    It irritates me to no end when people bring up that children are in no place to criticize their parents just because the parents provide for them. For me, this reason is utter bullshit because what the heck is the child supposed to do, if the parents don't provide for him/her?! People always like to sing praises of a parent's love - saying that it's unconditional and putting it on a pedestal...I roll my eyes and think it's utter bullshit as well. To me, a child's love is always much more unconditional than a parent's, we devote ourselves to meet our parents' expectations, we want to do things with them, we want to make them happy and we blame ourselves as "bad kids" when our parents are upset at us. Asian culture makes it worse for the kids, because there are clear cut rules that say that if you're upset at your parents, you are ungrateful and undeserving. To hell with that, I'd say.

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    1. Hi Sharaine and thanks for your comment. Please remind me where our paths have crossed in the past. I can totally empathize with the way you feel about how family reacted to your grandfather - I had a similar experience when I was in Singapore, my mother has a good for nothing younger brother and even my father has said nasty things about him before, but when I said something equally judgmental about my uncle, my father told me off for being disrespectful as he was not of my generation but older than me. I was not having any of that and it led to a major shouting match where I just wouldn't back down - I was in my 30s and unlike my sisters, I wasn't going to let my father tell me what to 'think' and it always boils down to me telling him that I'm a lot more educated than him, traveled the world and have worked in so many countries so I have far more knowledge and wisdom than him, so I am gonna use that knowledge and wisdom to form an informed opinion about any situation I come across rather than simply listen to him as I don't know any better.

      I'm not here to berate, shame or attack my father - I'm just here opening up a platform to say that I am going to come to terms with the past on my terms rather than allow my father to tell me what to think, I want to put my version of the story out there rather than do what most Asian kids do, they say nothing, they hide their pain and they smile as if everything is okay. I do feel that it is important for people like us to speak at least amongst each other, so we can share the empathy and start the healing, because after we come to terms with the past on our terms, we can also now move forward having done that important step rather than just sweep it under the carpet for the rest of our lives.

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    2. That was really long ago - I think I made some comments about the tattle-tale culture Singaporean kids had even in primary school haha and some others that I don't quite remember. Time really flies, and my memory sucks :D.

      I agree it's important to be able to be able to maturely discuss the baggage and emotional pain we hold due to our parents, in a neutral way, which I think you've managed to do. Myself, I've learnt how to come to terms with a lot of unhappiness I have with both parents through various means - I'm lucky in a way in that I have friends in real life that really understand what I am going through and can help me find my emotional balance. Without them, I might have gone down a very emotionally destructive path and suffered unnecessarily. Emotional empathy and support from the ones close to us can really make a huge difference in how we deal with things. What I really hope is to eventually achieve a Zen state when it comes to discussing my parents', especially my dad's, issues.

      Sometimes when I look back at my past, and hear from other people what they suffered in their past, I really feel that it'd be good if there was at least some government program that gave parents the option to take up courses on understanding what parenthood meant for them and at the very least, what a "good" parent should amount to be, even if it was in a very textbook way. So many people turn out to be their parents in the end when they start a family, because they really have no other parental examples to fall back as a guide on, other than their own parents. They regurgitate the very behaviour that they detested so much, and it becomes this really vicious cycle.

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    3. Aaaah ok I kinda remember that now. Anyway that's why I am glad we're able to give each other so much empathy and support now - so we may all find closure. I think it's pointless whether I forgive my father or not because I know that if I said the equivalent of "I forgive you" to my father, with his last breath he will curse me to hell for being such a bad son for daring to blame him for anything and that I should be the one begging for forgiveness rather than offering it - so I am quite adamant that this is a process that I am doing on my own, keeping my father out of the equation. However, we can help each other along in this process so I am inviting you to come into this safe space where you can tell us all about your experiences with the knowledge that you will find empathy, acceptance and sympathy here from me as well as the other readers.

      As for why my father ended up so miserable, well my point is simple: my father did what was expected of him without questioning the formula. He was expected to get married, start a family and have a son. He did all that only to realize that he wasn't enjoying it that much, so he checked out mentally - his marriage is acrimonious and he isn't close to his children. Maybe he should have taken more time to try other jobs, maybe work in other countries and have a lot more interesting experiences before getting married - hindsight is 2020 of course. I can't help but feel that he spent more of his life looking at his older brother who was so rich and successful, wondering why his fate in life was so different. Simply doing as you're told and fulfilling what is expected of you doesn't always bring you the happiness you seek.

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