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Even intelligent students can mess up an exam from time to time. |
Firstly, let me clarify that neither candidates have done well in their studies because it is clear that they have both messed up at some point but they have messed up at different points. Andy messed up during his A levels whilst Brenda messed up during her university years. I suppose the question is which mistake is more costly: Andy's or Brenda's? I am inclined to say that Andy's mistake is more costly as I am probably going to be a bit more forgiving with Brenda. Since I am a gymnast, allow me to use a sports analogy to compare the two situations. Imagine that Andy is a gymnast who messed up a competition at the age of 17 - this was the selection to the national team and because Andy didn't train hard enough, he failed to make the national team. Instead, he chooses to continue competing on a local level and actually does rather well in a state competition at the age of 21, where he is competing with all the other gymnasts within his state. Brenda on the other hand, excelled at the same competition that Andy failed at and Brenda gets selected for the national team. For three years, she works extremely hard and then goes to the Olympics - at the Olympics, despite having some of the most difficult routines in the competition, she gets nervous and makes some mistakes (see the video below). Her performance is extremely disappointing and she doesn't even come close to winning a medal; all she could do is claim "hey I represented my country at the Olympics" but we all know her performance at the Olympics was quite poor and it had proven to be very disappointing for Brenda - especially after how hard she had trained for the Olympics.
Sadly for Andy, he messed up an easier exam - the A levels; whilst Brenda messed her up finals at Oxford university. It is pretty obvious that the exam that Brenda failed is the much harder exam and the exams in Oxford are notoriously difficult because they are already receiving the very best students from all over the world there - so they need to separate the true geniuses from those who are just quite clever. By the same token, if you were to conduct an experiment whereby you make a bunch of students from a private university like SIM sit for an Oxford university exam and send the scripts to be marked in Oxford with the specific instructions, "please mark and grades these papers as you would a student from Oxford regardless". The results are predictable: if you were to subject a bunch of private university students to that kind of standard, then practically every single student will get an F grade and fail everything. Quite simply, smart students who achieve good results will naturally choose to go to a good university, leaving the ones with poor results no alternative but to go to a private university like SIM as there's just no way they can gain admission into Oxford, Cambridge or even NUS with bad A level results. So even if for some bizarre reason, SIM decides one year to make their exams just as hard as Oxford's and subject their students to the same standards - even if it means failing a lot of their students, guess what? That would be a moot point, an interesting experiment at best because the public perception of most people is that only students who have really messed up their A levels end up in private universities and a certain GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) principle applies here: you can't make shit shine, even if you were to subject them to the same programme.
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Not all degrees at equal - didn't you get the memo? |
So allow me to talk about another case study I know who has a story that is similar to Andy's - let's call him Candidate C, or Chris and interestingly enough, this is a true story even if we are going back quite a few years to the 1990s. Chris messed up his O levels really badly because of an illness during the exam period. I remember reading that he was burning up with fever during some of the exams and he could barely stand up, never mind focus on the exam. His poor grades managed to scrape him into a neighbourhood JC where he decided to make the most of it (rather than try to repeat his O levels, once he had recovered from his illness). He worked extremely hard and achieved stunningly good results at the A levels, gaining admission into Cambridge university - the first from his JC to have ever accomplished that feat. He went on to do well at university and is an extremely successful businessman today. Yeah this is a true story - as you can imagine, a story like that was very interesting to the local press in Singapore because they love stories like that. It is really no big deal if a student from a top JC scores straight As, gets a scholarship to go to Harvard, Cambridge or Oxford - that happens all the time but when someone from a neighbourhood JC accomplishes that same feat, he is celebrated as some kind of role model and hero who will inspire all the other students in neighbourhood schools. The message had been, "hey if Chris can do this, so can you - don't give up on yourself just because you're in a neighbourhood school, you too can go to Oxford or Cambridge and become so successful if you work as hard as Chris!"
So let's compare the situation between Andy and Chris. They both messed up an exam but at different times: Andy messed up his A levels and Chris messed up his O levels - the reason as to why things went wrong for them is irrelevant to the situation, unfortunately all that matters is the results that they have to deal with. Why was Chris in a much better position than Andy then? The reason is pretty simple: all three candidates sat for the same A level exams, well - even if they didn't take the exact same subjects or took their exams in the same year, they were at least graded by the very same system so it is more or less a level playing field for them to compete against each other fairly. However, Andy took his university level exams at SIM whilst Brenda did her exams at Oxford and Chris did his exams at Cambridge. It is pretty obvious that this is not a level playing field: Andy took a much, much easier exam than either Brenda or Chris. If Andy wanted to prove that his bad results at his A levels was because of something like a bout of illness (as was in the case of Chris), then he needed to excel in an exam which was going to be as difficult or more difficult than the ones that Brenda and Chris took at their universities. So hypothetically, even if Andy was indeed very ill during his A levels exam and he is indeed a very intelligent person, he has failed to prove his intelligence at SIM because the syllabus, course content and exam are all perceived to be a lot easier than the equivalent that both Brenda and Chris had to contend with.
There's a very good reason why Andy ought to have retaken his A levels if he was genuinely intelligent and was expecting straight As, but had suffered an untimely bout of illness. Degrees are expensive. Oh goodness me, on top of that they also take three years to complete. A degree from a private university like SIM is no cheaper than from a respectable Singaporean university like NUS. So why would you spend three years of your precious time and so much money on a degree that doesn't command respect when it would cost far less money to hit the reset button by taking just one year out to resit your A levels? Regardless, some people would suggest that someone in Andy's position could try to gain new respectability and credibility by going to go do a master's degree at a very respectable university but there is a problem with that theory. Firstly, there are far fewer places available in graduate school than at undergraduate level: remember, Andy is aiming to gain admission into a master's degree course at somewhere prestigious like Oxford or Cambridge. But there are just so few places available for these master's programmes at these top universities and competition for these places is extremely intense. I'm afraid our friend Andy is always going to be at the back of the queue behind people who have bachelor's degrees from better universities with much better reputations. That's the harsh reality: the best case scenario for Andy is to get a place in a master's programme is a mediocre university somewhere in the middle of the league table like Aberystwyth University (ranked 65th out of 131 universities in the UK) - no it is not as respected or prestigious as Oxford or Cambridge, but at least it is a step up from SIM. Nonetheless, getting a master's degree from a mediocre university simply sends the message that you're plain average and not good enough for one of those top tier universities: so would it be worth the time, energy, money and effort for a message about one's mediocrity?
Now here's my gripe with Andy. Many Singaporeans have a very simple academic path in mind: O levels, A levels, degree - then they will find a job. They don't know how to change their plans when things go wrong. For Andy, he went into complete denial when he even up in SIM and thought, "nah it's okay, I'll figure things out later." Let me share with you a story I have heard from a friend Ali who has climbed Mt Kilimanjaro - the tallest mountain in Africa. The journey to the summit involves several stages where you trek from one camp to the other - the camps offer basic facilities and a safe place to rest, refuel and spend the night, getting some much needed rest. About 50 minutes after Ali's team had set off from one of the camps and had begun the long trek to the next camp up the mountain, it started raining heavily. The path had become very muddy, it had become very windy, visibility was poor and everyone was soaked. Thus Ali's guide declared that it was unsafe for the team to move on and that the safest thing to do would be to backtrack to the previous camp, spending another night there. It would mean a day's delay but trekking up the mountain during a rainstorm like that was decidedly dangerous. The team were frustrated and disappointed, nonetheless they did as they were told because they trusted their guide. As they were returning to the camp, they passed another American team who were determined to press on in spite of the storm; Ali's guide pleaded with the Americans, "no it is not safe, the path has very muddy and slippery ahead. You cannot see much, you may get lost in the jungle if conditions don't improve." But the Americans simply ignored the guide, claiming that they were very experienced and had climbed in far worse conditions before. Furthermore, these Americans were on a schedule and they didn't want to be delayed a day so they decided to push on.
So, what can Andy do then? Well there's plenty indeed! Let's go back to the drawing board here: what is Andy trying to prove? He is trying to prove that he is intelligent - now it is clear that both Brenda and Chris have managed to do that by gaining a place in Oxford and Cambridge. Is Andy going to achieve that by acing an exam at SIM? Hell no, no way. But hey, even if Andy didn't want to resit his A levels for whatever reason, there are still loads of other things he can do instead to make that very same point. How about setting up your own business? Or getting the job for a few years, there are jobs such as sales out there which will gladly take non-graduates - as long as you have the soft skills to relate to clients, you can sell and add value to the company. If his parents has the money to pay for a degree at a private university, why not instead spend that money on sending Andy abroad to get some training in some niche, specialist fields which would enable Andy to start a new career path. So for example, did you know that air traffic controllers are not required to have a degree? That's because what they do is so niche and specialist that they need very job-specific training in order to become an air traffic controller and even if say they had a degree in engineering, geography or physics, guess what? The degree is at best irrelevant, at worst totally useless. There are indeed many great career options for those who choose not to do a degree and let's not forget that even if you do get a good degree, you may end up like me. I am a former scholar with a good degree, I studied at two of the best universities in the UK and France but yet like so many graduates, I ended up doing a job which doesn't need a degree at all (I work in corporate finance today).
A valid question one may ask at this stage is this: what if Aussie Scott's start up fails and he is back to square one, having to find a job like so many young people out there today? Then what? He doesn't even have a degree, how is he going to compete for the good jobs? Well then, Scott would have something a lot of graduates don't have - years of work experience and he has proven himself that he is able to function in the business world whilst those fresh graduates have proven no more that they are good at scoring As at exams and who knows just how well they will function when you place them in a real work environment like an office. Well, this reminds me of something my father (a retired teacher) said to me - my regular readers will know that I have spent time in Germany for work and once after yet another trip to Germany, I commented to my father than my German had improved a lot after working in Germany. He then said something to the effect of, "great, now you can get some qualifications in German, to prove that you're good at the German language." I tried to point out to my father that he is wrong - the whole point of getting paper qualifications in German is to prove to people that you are actually proficient in German, so you're able to thrive in a German-speaking world environment without using English. Well, I've already done that: I had worked in Germany, in a German-speaking work environment and my German employers and colleagues were satisfied that whilst my German isn't perfect, it is good enough and fit for purpose in a German work environment. The fact is that I am already getting good work in Germany should be enough proof that my German is of a decent standard - but my Singaporean father just doesn't get it.
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Sprechen Sie Deutsch? |
After all, I'm telling my father: I taught myself German, I don't need a teacher, I don't need to go take a course. Fuck teachers, not everyone needs a teacher, I can do it all myself without any help from a teacher - who needs teachers anyway? But of course, try telling that to a Singaporean teacher who refuses to accept that some people (like myself) are quite happy to get on with learning something new (like German) without a teacher and I am capable of proving myself in the work place without formal paper qualifications. For me, it is easy: all I need to do is to get myself in an interview or audition situation and start speaking German - the German people who are interviewing or auditioning me can hear within the first few minutes if my German is good enough or not once we start having a conversation. Perhaps it is a cultural thing whereby Singaporeans are so reliant on using paper qualifications to judge people that they forget to actually look up from the CV and start speaking to the candidate in front of them during a job interview. Maybe I can get away with this in Germany because we're dealing with a very different kind of culture with German people, but Singaporeans are so addicted to their paper qualifications. Perhaps it has something to do with putting Singaporean teachers on a pedestal, or it is something else cultural that isn't doesn't just affects Singapore and explains why stressed out students from South Korea to China to Japan are driven to suicide during exam periods. Thus for someone like Andy, within this cultural context, it is hard to think outside the box but yet that is exactly what he needs to do to help himself.
Finally, am I being overly harsh on Andy? I don't think so. I'm going to be 43 this year and have been in the working world an awfully long time - this much I can tell you as an older businessman. Things often go wrong in the business world: your best laid plans can go awry for a thousand and one reasons. We often then find ourselves in a situation where we are desperately looking for a plan B, C or D when we realize that plan A isn't going to work out in order to try to rescue the deal. This is a very important skill that one needs to use in the working world - even a teacher needs skills like that. Imagine if you have a difficult student who doesn't respond to your teaching methods, who do you do? Do you scream at the student and punish the student for not being like every other student? Or do you think on your feet and try to come up with a different approach to communicate with this student? In Andy's case, when I look at his CV, there are only two possibilities unfortunately: either he is admitting that he is too stupid to get better results if he resits his A levels, that those terrible grades are an accurate reflection of his intellect; or he is telling me that he is just too stubborn to adapt, to find a plan B when plan A doesn't work out. Either way, it is a very good excuse for me to reject someone like that because even if he is not genuinely stupid, he clearly has a gaping hole in his soft skills in being totally unable to adapt when things do go wrong. Would I want someone like that working in my company? Hell no, because in real life, things will go wrong and we have no control over that - all we can do is keep calm and adapt to the new circumstances. I would rather hire someone adaptable. So it isn't that I'm an elitist discriminating against people from private universities - I'm actually looking for people who have demonstrated that they do have vital soft skills to thrive in the harsh business world.
Lift thanks for writing this post based on my posting. I would think doing badly in exams could be due to factors like sickness, family problems, not just intelligence. People do underperform under stress at different stages. Contrary to your experience, I have known people from pte universities doing well in their careers, because most companies in Singapore do not care if you have a first class honours degree from good universities or from so called SIM? Also what are good universities, do we consider first class honours from Malaysia national university a good degree or a pass degree from NUS. As I mentioned, in university there are probably a lot more factors in whether you do well. The course you are in, the support you have from family and your network, and the grading scheme. The bell curve scheme in local universities are based on a normal distribution of scores to assign grades, to really see how one performs, the grades should should show the medium score, the 25 percentile and 75 percentile so that employers can gauge the quality of the cohort instead of just solely by grades.
ReplyDeleteHi LR, thank you! You asked a really good question and I had fun answering it. Sorry it took me a while but I had crazy hectic week.
DeleteWe've all messed up exams for one reason or another - gosh, I've messed up my first year at university real bad. I nearly failed because I was adjusting to life in a top university, I was partying way too much, doing a lot of sports and just not studying. I breezed through my A levels without studying much - it wasn't that I was lazy, I was too busy doing sports and other things rather than revising. I thought I could get away with that pattern at university but holy shit, nearly losing my scholarship by risking a fail in my first year was the wake up call I needed to double my efforts. I changed, adapted and came out okay in the end.
Let's put it this way: I have functioned as a gatekeeper for various UK companies before but I have never worked in a Singaporean company, so I can't speak on behalf of those companies in Singapore. But as for companies treating a graduate from Oxford and SIM as if they were of the same caliber - come on, who are you trying to kid? Straight A students go to Oxford and those who fail their exams go to SIM - the pattern is very clear where the best students go to university and where those who flunk their exams end up. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that difference and if there is a company out there that can't tell that basic difference, then holy shit - as a businessman, I wouldn't wanna work with or for that company. There's something desperately wrong there.
And of course, as a gatekeeper, it takes us like 10 seconds or less to Google the league tables and see the ranking of a university, a gatekeeper wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't bother checking. And as for your question about a first class honours from NUM (National University of Malaysia) - good question. If I were to be placed in a position where I had to check this, I would check what the admission criteria of that faculty that graduate came from - do they only accept students with straight As? Or do they accept people with Bs and Cs? What is the minimum requirement? And of course, I would look at the candidate's A level results to check if going to NUM was a rational choice in that context. There is a lot of research that a gatekeeper can do to filter candidates properly.
So as you can see, we're far less concerned whether the candidate received a first class or not - we're far more interested in the reputation and ranking of the university. A good university like Harvard would receive only the best students whilst a shitty university would accept anyone who can afford to pay the fees - so naturally, we associate good universities like Harvard with brilliant students and shitty universities with idiots. That's a very straightforward way to judge a candidate by the university they chose to go to rather than splitting hairs over their grades. Why would a brilliant student with great result choose to go to a shitty university instead of Harvard or Oxford? That just never happens.
For further reading: http://limpehft.blogspot.com/2017/12/just-how-good-are-nus-and-ntu-anyway.html
Two more points:
Delete1. I can't stress this enough - if you're genuinely intelligent but you messed up your A levels because you fell sick (for example) during the exam, then the rational thing would be to cut your losses and resit your A levels as a private candidate. That's the equivalent of Ali's team turning back to the base camp when they encountered the storm, they were delayed a day but they made it to the summit of the mountain. Pushing on even after you failed your A levels and ending up in a shitty university is the same as the American team who insisted on carrying on despite the bad weather and ending up hopelessly lost in the jungle - we're looking to hire people who are sensible and make rational decisions when things go wrong, if you're as stupid as those Americans in refusing to adapt when circumstances change, then there's no way I would ever want to hire someone that irrational. It goes beyond being stupid - this is a complete inability to make a rational decision.
2. Are there bad companies out there with bad hiring practices? Of course there are, but I have been in the working world long enough to see these companies struggle and fail. Do you know how much time, money and resources are wasted when a company hires a bad candidate for the job? The candidate is paid a salary but doesn't add any value to the company. If I were to hire you and pay you $5000 a month for example, I would expect you to generate $5000 a month in value to the company or more. Why would I pay someone that salary if s/he is totally unable to deliver? Companies need to make money, they need to generate a profit to survive - such is the very nature of capitalism and loads of shitty companies fail because they are incapable of making rational decisions to boost their profits. The world of business is really that cut-throat and ruthless, so you need to hire the very best people for the job rather than give people who have had a hard time at school a chance to prove themselves. That's what a charity would do and you can't run a profit-making business like a charity.
So if you're telling me, "oh there are some companies in Singapore who have bad hiring practices" - I would turn around and say, "yup, you will find bad companies like that everywhere in the world you go. But ask yourself this: do you want to work for a bad company or a good company?" My current boss may be a nasty, evil, cut-throat businessman who puts profits first but at least there's a certain element of honesty that I can relate to there. I know he's motivated by money and that to me, seems totally rational and it makes sense. At least we're on the same page. When someone makes an irrational decision (such as by treating an Oxford graduate and an SIM graduate as if they're of equal intelligence), then that's when I say, "I can't work with someone who makes irrational decisions - that is bad for business."
So yes, irrational, stupid people exist in the business world. But that doesn't make it okay for you or anyone to fuck up your studies and end up in a shitty university - work hard, focus on the task at hand and for crying out aloud, adapt quickly if circumstances change.
Just by the fact they managed to enter Oxbridge, a student is set for life even if he/she doesn't graduate.
ReplyDeleteThe network built and the university's clout in opening doors ensures maximum chance of success.
Exactly. Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. Case in point. Only someone with an extremely Singaporean mindset would berate someone like Brenda for performing poorly in her exams at Oxford.
DeleteLIFT, just another question, how important do you think ethical business practices are?
ReplyDeleteThat's a very vague question - could you be more specific please before I try to answer it?
DeleteAs in breaking the laws, in order to save on compliance cost.
DeleteThis is still being very vague - I am not quite sure what you're driving at?
DeleteEthics in business as in being honest, treat your staff well, and following the laws or not breaking moral code, is it important for businesses in order for them to be profitable, or in the business world being so called ethical has no advantages?
DeleteI think my latest post will deal with a lot of your questions actually, so please be patient and wait for it.
DeleteBut it is impossible to speak so generally about ethics without considering things in a more specific context. There are unethical businesses that make huge profits and there are completely ethical businesses run by very nice people at go bust.
There's no one size fits all answer for you. It's such a huge, vast topic that I don't even know how to begin to answer your question. I have a feeling you are asking this question because you have something that's bothering you - so why don't you just tell me what's bothering you instead? Then we can talk about that - that'll be easier I think. OK?
LIFT, NUS and NTU accepts students of varying abilities too. During my enrolment, NUS chemical engineering was highly regarded and they accepted students with triple As results or at least an AAB. I got in with AAB, but there are other courses that you can get in with a couple of B's and C's so NUS and NTU are not really very selective. Secondly, outside of NUS no one knows how tough chemical engineering course can be and neither do they know how competitive the students in the course can be. My point is if employers do not know how competitive your course is , then they do not see the value of your pass degree versus a first class honours uni from another university. NUS has been ranked the top 10 chemical engineering course by QS uni ranking.
ReplyDeleteHi LR, let me respond to the points you've made.
Delete1. It isn't hard for a gatekeeper to do a bit of digging and find out which courses are more popular than others and what the cut-off grades are for entry. Besides, we also have your A level results to look at as well. We certainly don't reject people just because they had a B or a C during their A levels - as long as they have found other ways to prove themselves along the way to be very capable people. Rather, we're talking about people who had nothing be Ds, Es and Fs who end up in SIM - that's the kind of student where things have gone badly wrong at the exams.
2. In response to what you've said, guess what? We don't know and we don't care - I'm not your loving mother, I'm not here to sayang sayang you if you have had a hard day at university. I'm not here to give you a hug if you are finding the competition tough. I'm here to find someone who is good enough to find their own solutions to their problems and find a compromise or a solution for themselves. Don't forget, I'm not alien to the system - I went through the whole system myself and I am a graduate too you realize? So why do you talk about it as if a gatekeeper like me would be totally alien to the system you've just described when many of us would have gone through the exact same thing and thus be able to recognize what you're talking about?
Maybe, as you've pointed out, there are some idiots out there in bad companies who would be ignorant on this aspect and not know how to judge a student like you fairly. Do you want to work for idiots in bad companies out there? No you don't. But I am also point out to you that there are very reasonable people like me out there who do know the system well and will spend the time and effort to do enough research to understand your situation, in order to judge you fairly. Your job is to make the best of whatever situation you find yourself in at university, then find a good employer who will be understanding and a great place to work at.
3. You're too Singaporean in your thinking. It totally irks me how you have a blind trust for authority. I had a terrible childhood - I had abusive parents whom I totally hate and don't speak to anymore, I had so many awful teachers along the way, I hated the PAP so much I wanted to leave Singapore from a young age. From the age of about 8, I knew I wanted to leave Singapore as I had a massive distrust for authority. You on the other hand, seem to be shocked you find out that when there are people out there like bosses who have bad hiring practices and hire the wrong people - like, duh? Welcome to the real world where there are so many flawed people in positions of authority. All you can do is what I do - in the business world, I choose to work with good people (whom I have painstakingly identified) and when I come across flawed people, I have to avoid working with them. And believe me, good people are in the minority, the majority of the people out there are flawed in one way or another.
4. Lastly you don't seem to take any responsibility in communicating your point to a potential employer. Perhaps it is because I built my career in sales, so my job is primarily to present a product to the client and point out the merits of the product. If the client doesn't understand why it is a good product, it is my responsibility to explain it to the client - it is not the client's responsibility to do the research. If I want the client to buy my product and not something else, I will make sure I communicate the right message. No one is silencing or censoring you - what's stopping you from convincing someone like me why you are a great candidate? Don't expect me to do all the hard work, by all means, you can go out of your way to convince me that you're the best candidate in town. Do you have the balls to tell me, "call off the search Alex, I'm the best fucking candidate you'll ever want for your company and here is why." If someone had the balls to do that with me, I'll drop whatever I'm doing and say, "okay, you've got 15 minutes - convince me."
DeletePS. I'm learning this all the hard way this week - I spent a lot of time and effort working on a deal which fell apart because of a clash of culture. I'll spare you the details but even I make the mistake of trying to work with the wrong kind of people sometimes and in this case, the guy is a nice person but just has a totally incompatible approach when it comes to business. All I can do is say, nice guy but he's too flawed for me to ever do a deal with - I'll just be his friend and never do business with him, cut my losses and walk away.
DeleteGosh, there are soooooo many flawed people out there in the business world you don't want to work with. And they're not evil, nasty, unethical or bad people. Sometimes just so different in their approach to business I can only use the polite word 'incompatible' to describe my business relationship with them.
Good people in the business world are in the minority. Welcome to the real world. Now I have to get back to work.
I just chanced upon this. Not that I am looking at this because I am seeking a degree(don't need it, done and dusted), but I wonder if they are trying to say that they are better than the big four unis.
ReplyDeleteThis is an open house registration, but I see interesting claims on tis page. https://digitalsenior.sg/psb-open-house-2019/?utm_source=Oopenhouse