Thursday 11 June 2015

Coughing & Cold Water: the Asian myth exposed

Hello everyone. I am in the process of exploring a few medical myths that I grew up with, in the last post in this series, I discussed whether or not it was dangerous to exercise when you were recovering from a cold or the flu. In today's discussion, I am going to look at the myth that you cannot have any cold food or drink (so anything from a glass of cold water to ice cream is forbidden) when you have a cough as it would supposedly make your cough worse. Now that was a myth I had grown up with in Singapore, but upon verifying with my friends, it seems that it is generally a widely accepted belief in South-East Asia. If this is true, then surely it must affect all humans regardless of our nationality?
Does cold water make your cough worse?

Now when I present this theory to my European friends, they usually look at me in disbelief or confusion - like how can cold water make your cough any worse? It is just water, what harm can it do? So the easiest way to test the theory is to drink cold water and eat ice cream when I have a bad cough and the conclusion is that it doesn't make my cough any worse or better - in fact, it made no difference whatsoever. It is uncanny to see that this myth only exists in South-East Asian countries, but somehow, nobody in say Australia, America or Europe is affected by it - hence this cultural dimension to the myth is curious to say the least. After all, we're all humans and we all suffer from the same cough - so why is it only South-East Asian people seem to be affected by cold water when they are coughing?

Let's look at the science behind the myth - it is never pleasant when you have a nasty cough (trust me, I am coughing right now as I am typing this.) We rarely cough when we are healthy and thus having this constant cough, bringing up a lot of phlegm and having a runny nose to go with it is frightfully unpleasant to say the least. It is often associated with a respiratory tract infection that we can get when suffering from a cold or the flu or it may be a symptom for another condition. Is there any reason why cold water should make your cough any worse? Not really - well, a lot of this myth is based on a misinterpretation and misunderstanding of the concept of Yin and Yang in Chinese medicine. Now for those of you unfamiliar with this concept, the Chinese believe that one's health is dependent on establishing a balance between the Yin ('cooling') and Yang ('heating') forces in our body. When you are ill, it indicates that your Yin and Yang are unbalanced thus you should try to help bring this back into balance by making wise choices with your diet.
Can you identify Yin and Yang foods in the picture?

Now some of these make sense, others don't. For example, if you have a sore throat then according to Chinese medicine, you have too much Yang forces in your body, so you can counteract that by eating something like watermelon which has plenty of Yin forces to help redress that balance. Now even if you don't believe in Chinese medicine, this actually makes sense as a slice of watermelon will have plenty of fluids that your body needs, the vitamin C in the fruit will help aid your recovery and the fiber will aid digestive transit. However, should cold water be considered Yin? Water in itself is considered neutral - chilling the water or even freezing it doesn't make it more Yin as altering the temperature of the water doesn't change the chemical characteristics of water: rather, this misunderstanding and misconception is a result of Chinese people taking the term 'cooling' a little bit too literally.

Hence we have a situation where Chinese people are trying to apply the principle of Yin and Yang without actually understanding it clearly and the adoption of the English word 'cooling' to represent Yin forces has been taken rather too literally by many - hence the aversion towards chilled water as a beverage deemed too Yin for those with a cough. There are other cultural factors we have to consider as well: let's go back to my late grandmother's generation - she was born in Singapore around 1920. She wasn't educated and lived through WW2, she didn't have any concept of Western medicine and she relied mostly Chinese medicine when she was unwell. In Chinese medicine, there is a tradition of going to the herbal medicine specialist who will prescribe a blend of medicinal herbs (and animal parts) which will help make you feel better - you take the blend of herbs, put it in a pot and boil it for a few hours to create a medicinal brew, which you then drink as medicine. Hence there has always been this cultural association of medicine with hot brews, my grandmother used to be very suspicious of swallowing pills prescribed by her doctor because she just wasn't convinced that proper medicine should take that form. We used to ground the pills down into powder and serve it to her in a cup of hot chrysanthemum tea, so it was more familiar to the kind of medicine she was used to.
My late grandmother was very Chinese.

We take it for granted that we all have fridges these days in every kitchen and having ice cubs and ice creams in our kitchens is no big deal - but to my grandmother who only got her first fridge back around 1960 and even though she had been served chilled drinks and cold deserts before, she wasn't used to the sensation of drinking cold water. It was a novelty she never really got used to, hence I remember her storing packet drinks and can drinks in the fridge but taking them out of the fridge to warm them up to room temperature before consuming them. Thus there was always something about people from her generation who were suspicious about not just cold water, but any kind of food that was served cold - for them, you knew the water was safe to drink if it was boiling hot. like a cup of tea. That meant the water had been boiled and any germs in the water had been killed. Thus her generation never craved cold drinks - that was why she used to view it at best with suspicion, believing that it could cause a cough. None of her beliefs had any scientific basis - it was merely based on the fact that she was unaccustomed to drinking cold water.

When such myths get passed from one generation to the next, you have the problem of confirmation bias. Let's imagine you have a young Singaporean student who was brought up believing that drinking cold water would make her bad cough even worse - when she drinks hot water and then coughs anyway, she would simply brush it off and think, "oh my cough is so bad that I would cough no matter what I do, hot water wouldn't make my cough any worse." But if she drinks some cold water and feels the urge to cough, that's when we have the problem of confirmation bias: she would be conditioned to match the experience to what she had been told many times by her friends and family. The fact is when you have a bad cough, whether you drank hot or cold water or nothing, you would still cough anyway - such is the nature of having a very ticklish cough. When you're under so much duress from having a bad cough, you're far less likely to be completely rational when it comes to doing anything that can alleviate your discomfort.
What makes you sneeze or cough?

There is another myth that any kind of citrus fruits could aggravate your cough: how much truth is there to that myth?  The information I found on the internet produced conflicting information: some websites said nothing about citrus fruits, others claimed that it could make you cough more whilst some prescribed orange juice and lemon juice as a remedy for a cough! My conclusion is that eating an orange or drinking some orange juice isn't going to make you cough any more - it is not irritating enough to your respiratory system to trigger off an adverse reaction. It contains plenty of vitamin C which your body will need to aid the recovery process. If you want to talk about foods that will provoke a coughing reaction, then you only need to watch this famous viral video about the cinnamon challenge. Yeah cinnamon will do that to you, not oranges. Now, feel free to laugh at the silly video but please don't try this at home!
So, in short, there is completely no basis for avoiding cold water and foods when you have a cough - the fact that this myth doesn't really exist outside South East Asia ought to tell you that it really doesn't have any scientific basis. If you have a really bad cough, then see a doctor and get some medication to deal with it. If you have any other medical myths you would like me to explore on my blog, why not drop me a line before through the comments section and we'll talk about it. Surely not all the Asian myths I was brought up with are totally rubbish? Many thanks for reading!

41 comments:

  1. I think I've got one: my parents used to get really worked up about anyone trying to shower whilst they are still sweating - claiming that it would make you ill if you got water on your skin whilst you were still sweating. Of course, I know now that's complete and utter bullshit, but I wonder if that merits an entire post on my blog. At least the coughing thingy was quite widespread in S'pore when I was a kid... Any other Asian myths for me to bust?

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    1. If one applies medicated oil and goes showering after that, they will suffer muscle pain later in life.

      Sleeping with wet hair will get you a headache.

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    2. You're not the only one to have suggested the wet hair thingy ... And I have heard of it. I could only think that the logical explanation is that you don't want to get the pillow wet - but headache?!

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    3. There does seem to be pretty clear evidence stating that cold drinks actually dry out the respiratory lining, thus initiating coughing because of excessive irritation. Also, considering that it's evident that hot drinks actually help soothe your cough, it's understandable why elders advice you to stay away from cold drinks. I live in the UK and the doctors here recommend to stay away from cold drinks as well, so I'd just like to say this is not an "asian myth exposed". Sometimes, our parents do know what they are talking about.

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    4. Basim, no, the evidence isn't clear. If you drink say a glass of cold water that has been chilled in the fridge, that really doesn't dry out the respiratory lining. Your body isn't really that fragile that you will dry out just like that - besides, you've confused two fundamental things. Like dude, this is biology 101. Respiratory lining, that's gonna be in the lungs and it affects your breathing, drinking, that does down your throat into your stomach. Completely different matter - that's why we choke when food/drink goes down the wind pipe and blocks our breathing. Otherwise, we're quite capable of enjoying everything from ice cream to spicy curries and that's because it doesn't affect our breathing at all.

      And dude, as for our parents, perhaps your parents and grandparents were doctors and professors at Delhi university hospital (and if that's the case, good for you!) but my parents are not educated and say a lot of uninformed crap that only uneducated people say. My dad would give me medical advice and I'll be like, "and why would that work?" He wouldn't have an answer, he has absolutely no clue how things work when it comes to medicine. He can only say, "oh Goh said this and it must be true because he's a very smart man, he's more educated than me". So my parents, hahahaha, don't have a freaking clue what the fuck they're talking about and most of the time, I dismiss it as laughable bullshit from uneducated elderly folks. Like okay, they're old, they're not educated, I don't blame them as they grew up in a different time when people were very poor. But I certainly don't assume that they do know what they're talking about - in my case, in 100% of the time, they are totally clueless and I have to try to take care of them when it comes to anything to do with health and medicinal science as they are, well, uneducated. What can you do?

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  2. Actually, I have found that hot water soothes my throat when I am coughing. It's not so much the yin and yang thing for me. Water and fruit and vegetables are always good for you no matter the yin and yang theory. I just find hot water soothing, that's all. The rest of the time, I drink cold water.

    What irks me more are the confinement myths that well-educated women in Singapore still cling on to. That's another long story.

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    1. Yes, but just because hot water soothes your throat doesn't mean that cold water will cause irritation to make the cough worse...

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    2. No. Cold water doesn't make it worse.

      Here's the big one: you can't shower ot wash your hair for 30 days after child birth. Can't go out. Can't use fan, Can't dtink cold water ...

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    3. I kinda feel like as a man, I am not really in a position to talk about child birth? After all, I could quite easily subject myself to a big glass of cold water and ice cream when I am coughing just to be the guinea pig...

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    4. Well, I qualified for the experiment once. I survived. LOL!

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  3. Can't find any scientific info yet, to support the belief that cold water worsens a cough. But I do see plenty of medical sites recommending warm/ hot water and steam for symptomatic relief and loosening of mucous.... which probably perpetuates the cold-water-worsens-cough belief.

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  4. Sleeping with wet hair will cause headache. I don't think it has any scientific evidence. The amount of water is too little to cause hypothermia too.

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  5. Here are some Chinese pregnancy myths: http://pregnant.sg/articles/common-chinese-pregnancy-taboos/

    Let's see you dispel these myths!

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    1. I had a read of those Tyffe and they all look so absolutely ridiculous that I wonder if the article was not meant to be taken seriously in the first place?

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  6. I suspect that a lot of these myths are really urban legends from incomplete understanding and liberal applications and assumptions to other areas. Some of those water based urban legends that I had encountered:

    1. Cold water will trigger an asthma attack - may be partially true as there is some evidence that drop in temperature can trigger symptoms. However, it is not the cold water per se but the drop intemperature.

    2. No to fruits when you have a cough, they will cause more phlegm and worsen the cough. I never quite figured that out. Yet my grandmother will never pass up on durians even if she is coughing the whole day. I never got the answer as I was beaten up the first time I had the temerity to ask her why she was eating "lew lian" when she had said no fruits if coughing. The explanation I got was a smack and getting told off that children shouldn't question their seniors.

    3. You must not wash your hair after sunset - it is cooler, you may get "wind" into your head, i.e. get "tao hong" which literally mean wind in the head and figuratively that you will go mad ("kee xiao") in dialect.

    4. If you dare drink water from the tap instead of boiled water, you will get a stomache. I got another beating when I questioned an aunt and grandma why they could soak veges in cold tap water. Even to this day, my mum will insist on boiling water instead of taking it straight from the tap. I guess they were from the era where clean water was a rarity and they had to filter and boil water from common collection points and it is a habit that dies hard.

    5. Hot ginger tea will relieve nasal congestion and relief a phlegmy cough but if you drink cold water, it will get worse. I can understand the former - the sharp and spicy ginger does have some decongestant properties and the steaming cup of hot drink does help loosen up phlegm somewhat but I think it was just a wrong assumption that cold water will worsen things by opposite extension.

    Some may however have an ounce of truth. A lot of cantonese folks believe that the new mother in confinement must have stewed pig trotters in vinegar and eggs, that the drinking the sauce down together with the meat is a must to replenish nutrients that the mother had lost during pregnancy. There may be some truth in it since besides eggs and meat being a good protein source, the acidic vinegar also leaches out more calcium from the trotters making the absorption easier. There probably is a whole range of wisdom and myth, so I wouldn't totally discount or accept them wholesale.

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    1. Hi Shane,

      1. The theory about the drop of temperature applies more to cold air - so if you're in say Siberia and you step out into the -25 degrees cold winter air, you still have to breathe that air as your lungs need oxygen so you are constantly filling your lungs with air that is -25 degrees. Now that will trigger off an asthma attack. But compare that to a person in Singapore drinking a cup of chilled water, the water is say +5 degrees, that's cold but it will pass down your esophagus into your stomach where it will meet the contents of your stomach and be instantly warmed up. The amount of 'cooling' effect from that cold water is nothing compared to constantly breathing in the -25 air in Siberia.

      2. Eating fruits when coughing causes stupidity amongst older Chinese people - that must be the explanation. Otherwise, no there's no scientific basis.

      3. There are various myths associated with wet hair - but I find them all so ridiculously stupid, I fear I may make Chinese culture look utterly stupid if I did a post on any of them?!?!?

      4. Boiling tap water is totally unnecessary in Singapore today.

      5. I agree with your analysis.

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  7. Is it true that you cannot "hang" a rubber band (LOOSELY) around your wrist, it will cut off blood circulation to your hand? My father used to say so!

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  8. This is my take on the origin of the myth. I'm not Chinese but this myth is so entrenched in me ,by my parents of course, that I reflexively avoid cold water when I have a cough or a sore throat. Anyway, cold water, or even cold air for that matter ,has been known to be a trigger for asthma attacks. It causes contraction of the airways, which through positive feedback leads to a release of excess mucus etc , causing coughs and shortness of breath. Apparently ,according to this study (below),Chinese children are more prone to this than kids of other ethnicities. Perhaps after centuries of observing the casual relationship between cold water and coughs, the fallacious idea of coughs being caused by cold water, even for non asthmatic individuals, could have become inextricably planted into Chinese culture, and then spreading to south East Asia.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9260213

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    1. Hi Ivanovich, I refer you to my longer reply to Shane above: there is a huge difference between breathing in air that is -25 degrees for extended periods (say you live in Siberia and have to work outdoors in the winter) and the relatively small cooling effect that drinking a cup of chilled water will cause. As someone who does a lot of winter sports, I can tell you that breathing heavily when it is -25 will cause your lungs to react in all kinds of funny ways...

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  9. how about "sweating" out a fever overnight, having a jacket or thick blanket or wearing 3-4 t-shirts?

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    1. I have never heard of that one - that's dangerous!

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  10. I think one myth is not bathing for one month during confinement, for post-natal women? or not going out for one mth?

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  11. I'm Nigerian and this is the general belief too! Drinking cold water or any other cold drink will both cause and increase the effects of cough and a cold too!

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  12. My wife has come back from Mexico with the no cold drinks for a cough advice. They also have a lot of old wives tales over there. Interesting that it's not just in Asia though!

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    1. The similarity between Mexico and SE Asia (and interestingly, Nigeria in tropical Africa) is that these are very hot countries where our grandparents grew up without the luxury of fridges: no cold drinks, no ice cream, no ice cubes, no frozen peas, no frozen meat, no supermarkets to buy all those lovely frozen foods. That's why when you introduce something brand new to these cultures like ice cold drinks, they freak out and go paranoid, claiming that it will cause all kinds of illnesses whereas people in cold countries in Europe are used to the cold and have always had cold drinks along with all kinds of food prepared and served at very low temperatures - they don't freak out about cold drinks. It clearly goes to show that this is a hang over from quite literally, old wives who were given a fridge for the first time. Go to a cold country like Sweden or Finland and ask them about this link between cold drinks and cough and you'll get very puzzled stares.

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  13. I dunno if cold water worsen cough. I have a cough for almost 5 months now, for the first month I had my medicines 3x a day, of course, I would drink cold water. After that, I gave up on taking medicines and just live with this cough.

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  14. When suffering from Common cold, our body immunity is usually low as most of it is involved in fighting the virus. One of the mechanisms involved in fighting is inflammation which raises the local temperature of the nose and throat. Now when cold water is ingested. The local temperature decreases which either leads to falling up of common cold and also due to decrease in the temperature, there could be a secondary infection of the tonsils either due to the spread of virus or due to infection with the already present bacteria in the throat which gain favouravle conditions due to cold water and can infect the posterior nasal area and the throat.

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  15. I think cold water will have effect to make ur cough not so easily recover.

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    1. And what is this opinion based on? Your grandmother? Science?

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  16. I think cold water has got to do with the contraction and expansion of the throat.

    When we are having a cough or a sore throat and we drink cold water, the cold water would cause our throat to contract which would then make us feel uncomfortable. When our throats are contracted, it causes the phlegm in our throat to be thicker which would then cause more coughing.
    However, when we drink warm water, our throats would expand and this would be a form of relief as our throats would be soothed.
    I believe this is one explanation I can think of regarding the drinking of cold and warm water during a cough or sore throat.

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  17. Cold constricts and warm expands. I wonder if an irritated throat, when further constricted by cold water, would cause you to cough more?

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  18. Cold constricts and warm expands. I wonder if an irritated throat, when further constricted by cold water, would cause you to cough more?

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  19. Cold constricts and warm expands. I wonder if an irritated throat, when further constricted by cold water, would cause you to cough more?

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    1. That's overly simplistic. Even if you were to put something very cold (like ice cream) down your throat, it simply isn't in the quantity enough to cause the throat to contract enough to make a significant impact - likewise, there is a limit to the temperature of hot drinks you can consume without plain scalding your mouth and throat, by that token, it just isn't hot enough to cause your mouth and throat to expand significantly. Any irritation that you may perceive is no more than a psychological effect - a subjective experience affected more by one's expectations than by objective reality, merely a figment of the imagination. You are trying to base your argument on science, but your science is waaaay off.

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  20. I JUST commented on the ridiculousness of this claim last night as my Chinese MIL commented that my son (1/2 Chinese) shouldn't have any cold ice cream cause he has a cough. Classic! I did a Google search to make sure there was indeed, no scientific proof to her claim. I just don't want my kid growing up with these old wives tales!

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    1. Thank you. I had to confront this recently with my parents - you see, you don't have to go very far back, only to my late grandmother's generation before you encounter a generation of barely literate, quite uneducated, woefully ignorant (and for want of a better word, really quite stupid) Chinese people who had no concept of science. I remember hearing a doctor trying to explain the concept of germs to my grandmother and she just didn't get it. But she was deprived of an education because of poverty, but she still wanted to be a good mother and take care of her kids - so she had to resort to loads of old wives' tales to care for her family.

      That's how a lot of old wives' tales get passed on, when people were uneducated, that's the best they could rely on when it came to medical care. But in 2016, when we have google, when we have access to the best medical care money can buy, is there any place left for old wives' tales in our modern society? No, I should think not. But people cling on to them for the most irrational reasons - I think it is similar to the way people cling on to superstitions for no real reason: eg. an aversion to black cats.

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  21. I was advised by a few GPs to avoid all cold beverages for cough. Why was that so then? Clueless...

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    1. Dear RT,

      Given by the lack of information on your blank profile, I am going to make a guess that you're probably from Singapore based on the way you have asked your question and the way you've approached the issue. I'm saddened by your lack of curiousity - why didn't you turn around and ask the doctor, "but doctor, why are cold beverages bad for cough?"

      The fact is, older GPs in Singapore have completed their medical training years, even decades ago. They can't remember the details of what they have studied at medical school, instead, they rely on a reliable pattern of studying the symptoms, arriving at a diagnosis then prescribing the appropriate medication. What kind of patient are you then? Are you the dumb, illiterate, uneducated one who just nods and says, "whatever you say doctor." Or do you ask intelligent questions about the medical condition, your symptoms, the treatment or the healing process?

      It seems to me that you're a total sheep - you may not be a totally uneducated idiot, but you simply have not asked the doctor any questions about this rule to avoid cold drinks when you have a cough. You simply assume, "doctor is cleverer than me, I am stupid he is clever, so he must be right lah. Even if he explain, I am so dumb I cannot understand why, so I just obey loh."

      The fact is yes, this is a cultural myth - no doctors in the West, no white doctor would ever dish out this advice whilst only SE Asian doctors seem obsessed with making cold drinks the bane of all coughs. If a Singaporean doctor dishes out the advice, is he doing so because his medical training deems it necessary or is he simply doing what everyone else around him does? Doctors in Singapore have a range of cultural influences soaked up from their Asian environment - when I questioned a Singaporean doctor as to why he insisted on giving that advice, he finally relented and said, "well I don't really know lah, it's what everyone said. Besides, it can't hurt, can it?"

      If you'd told me that a lung or throat specialist had said this, then perhaps we can talk about the science in more detail. But right now, you just come across as a dumb Singaporean sheep who has never ever questioned anything in your life before. You're so brainwashed and so obedient that you have never asked a question before. I bet the PAP loves citizens like you.

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  22. Hello, I myself when drinking cold water while having cough realy feel it worsen, May i know who among you also experience the same?

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