There are people who think that there is a difference between your ethnicity which is assigned to you at birth and your cultural identity; thus in Oli's case, most people would see him as a British/English person who takes great interest in Korean culture but regardless of what he chooses to do with their life, he cannot change the fact that they are British/English. Can Oli claim to be Korean and if so, what is the benchmark of 'Korean-ness" that Oli must attain before that claim is validated? Well allow me to use myself as a case study: I moved to the UK in 1997 as a student, that was 24 years ago and I have since naturalized as a British citizen. People don't question whether or not I am British as I can simply prove my nationality by showing my passport and if necessary, all the paperwork for my naturalization process. There are two exams that one has to pass in order to naturalize as a British citizen: the first is a language test, so you must have a high enough standard of English and the second is a 'Life In The UK' test which tests your knowledge of British culture with topics from politics to religion to history to geography to even the royal family. Actually, it is not like the tests are that difficult really, but at least British citizenship is denied to people who do not speak English (well enough) and know absolutely nothing about life in the UK. But once you've fulfilled all the requirements and passed those two tests, you can proudly naturalize as a citizen of the UK. Thus you're either a British citizen or you're not - it is a very straightforward matter to settle. Does Oli need to get hold of a South Korean passport before he can legitimately claim to be Korean if by definition, a Korean person is someone with Korean nationality? Now, that is a tough question to answer.
You see, many people actually make a distinction between my nationality (which is British - it is the only passport I have) and my ethnic roots, which they would then defer to my parents. This is why we get stuck with clunky double-barreled terms like 'British-Asian' and 'Korean-American' to try to encompass both the nationality and the ethnic identity of the person. In my case, the terms 'British-Chinese' or 'British-Asian' may be used to describe me, even though I prefer to avoid those terms if I can simply because I feel it should be sufficient to describe myself as just 'British' and if you want to find out more about my cultural identity, you should take the effort to get to know me better rather than default to a label like that. So would a South Korean passport allow Oli to more legitimately claim to be British? Well if Oli wanted to do that, it isn't impossible - Oli would have to be a legal resident of South Korea for at least 5 years (all he has to do is get a job there), avoid any kind of trouble with the law there in that period, prove that they are financially stable (in 2017 that figure was set at an annual income of 30 million KRW which is approximately £19,200, S$35,700 or US$26,500) and then pass the relevant exams on Korean language and culture. This process can take one and a half to two years to complete - the process may be slow and bureaucratic but it is possible to naturalize this way as a South Korean citizen. But even if Oli did get hold of a South Korean passport this way, would the locals see Oli as just a white person from England who has gone to great lengths to get their hands on a Korean passport or would the Koreans actually then acknowledge that by virtue of their Korean passport - they would be as Korean as any locally born Korean person there?
This then begs the question: who gets to decide if Oli is Korean enough to be considered Korean? Should it be something Oli can decide for themself? Or would it be down to the Koreans to say "Oli is indeed one of us, Oli is now Korean." I really struggle to see how Koreans will totally accept Oli as Korean given that Oli's Korean is so limited. In their Youtube videos when Oli is in Korea, Oli often speaks in English to the locals instead of using Korean and I'm like, can you even speak more than the very basics? If Oli is singing in Korean, then that doesn't count as they have simply memorized the lyrics. But when they are speaking in basic Korean, Oli has a super strong accent but hey, almost all non-Koreans trying to speak Korean will have some kind of accent. I follow quite a number of western Youtubers in Japan and Korea as they make Japanese and Korean culture accessible to an English-speaking audience and sure, most of them speak Japanese and/or Korean fluently but they inevitably have a bit of an accent as well. So am I being too harsh on Oli failing to master what is a difficult Asian language? Perhaps, as someone who speaks Mandarin, I judge learners of Mandarin by how well they can get the tones right - by that token, I know some white people who speak better Mandarin than me. Whilst I speak Mandarin fluently, I struggle when it comes to reading/writing in Chinese, which is my third language after English and French. So by that token, these white friends have more of a right to claim to be Chinese than me, even if I have parents who identify ethnically and culturally as Chinese. Besides, this is a moving goal post as Oli could always improve their standard of Korean (with a lot of hard work) - how good you become in a second/foreign language depends entirely on how much effort you invest in that endeavour - this is a problem that can actually be fixed.
The fact is there isn't a one-size fits all approach to this but different groups have different rules when it comes to extending their 'membership' - allow me to use myself as an example. I speak Welsh fluently, it is my fifth language; unlike my struggles with Chinese, thankfully I can read and write in Welsh as well as I speak it. There are about a million people in the world who claim to have 'some knowledge' of Welsh, but that includes thousands who have been forced to learn it whilst at school in Wales but no longer remember more than a few words of it and thus no longer have a functioning knowledge of Welsh. Thus a more realistic estimate of the true number of people who actually have a reasonable working knowledge of Welsh is more like 500,000 - though the more relaxed about what you consider 'a working knowledge of Welsh', the bigger that number. Some people have put the actual number of fluent Welsh speakers as low as 60,000 but even I think that's a bit strict. Given that the population of Wales is 3.1 million, then less than 16% of Welsh people who actually speak Welsh as well as I do. The vast majority of the rest speak only English. Can you imagine if only 16% of the population of South Korea spoke Korean? It would be absolutely unthinkable as we just assume that Korean people would speak Korean. Thus even amongst Welsh people in Wales today, the vast majority are so anglicized that they do not have a strong sense of Welsh identity - they are simply English-speaking British citizens who happen to live in Wales but for the 16% who are fluent in Welsh, their identity is very much Welsh and at the very center of that identity is having their own language - speaking Welsh (instead of English) is an act of patriotism for them.
That's why when two Welsh speakers meet each other and realize they can speak to each other in Welsh instead of English, something magical happens. This really only happens when two people who speak a minority language get together - thus by that token, I have been afforded 'honorary Welsh status' by my Welsh speaking friends as I speak more Welsh than the vast majority of Welsh people in Wales. Yes it is clear that I am an immigrant who lives in London and has never even lived in Wales before, but yet I have been welcomed with open arms into the inner circles of the Welsh speaking community because of the fact that I can speak their language. Of course, the Welsh speakers who are fiercely proud of their language would embrace someone like me because they can then use me as an example and say to the Welsh people who can't speak the language, "see that guy who moved to London from Singapore? Even he took the trouble to become fluent in Welsh despite not even living in Wales - what is your excuse? You are born in Wales, you live in Wales yet you can't even make the effort to learn your own language?" But allow me to point out one thing: I never 'came out' as Welsh. This 'honorary Welsh status' was something that Welsh-speakers have given me; oh it would be extremely arrogant to 'claim' that my Welsh is so good that I'm more Welsh than most Welsh people. But if native Welsh speakers wish to give me that honor and title by accepting me as one of their own, then I graciously accept that as a compliment. Oli ruffled many feathers by claiming his 'Korean-ness', rather than waiting for Koreans to offer him that title.
Another country which has extended the arm of acceptance to me is France - let me to explain how I had proven my credentials to the French that I am one of them. I have studied at one of France's top universities, I have lived and worked in France, I speak French fluently at near-native standard, it is my second language and most of all, my first language is English and not Chinese. If I may be blunt, one criteria for Asian immigrants to become accepted as totally French is giving up their Asian culture, identity and language; I have done that by allowing French to replace Chinese as my second language. I have effectively kowtowed to the French and acknowledged, "your French culture is vastly superior to my inferior Asian roots, please kindly accept me as one of your own. I promise to abandon and forget my Asian roots." Ironically, I think this makes France the least racist country in the world (I know some of you might disagree with me on this) because if you embrace all things French, then they gladly accept you as French regardless of the colour of your skin. The reason why racism still exists in France today is because there are immigrants who refuse to totally assimilate the way I did when I lived in France. You can be black or Asian and be considered 100% French if you do assimilate - we're not talking about merely integrating here, we're talking full-on 100%, all or nothing assimilation. I must point out that I never had to 'come out' as French. Instead, I get accorded honorary French status when I am with French people, when they treat me as one of their own - this is very different from what Oli did by coming out as Korean.
I have the humility to realize that my opinion of Oli doesn't matter, so I did some research and watched quite a few videos on Youtube about Korean people reacting to Oli. The overall reaction is extremely negative - most see him as a clueless troll who has offended a lot of Koreans with his cultural appropriation. Allow me to compare Oli to a friend in Singapore who is in fact trying to do what Oli is doing - let's call him Leo. I have known him since my army days and I know that Leo is obsessed with all things Korean, having lived and worked in Korea for a few years. Whilst Leo does like K-pop, he has demonstrated a far deeper understanding of all aspects of Korean culture beyond just K-pop. Leo has an alter-ego on Instagram and he often posts in Korean or at least makes his posts bilingual in Korean and English. Is Leo Korean? No, he is in fact Chinese-Singaporean but he wants people on social media to come away with the impression that he is Korean and not Singaporean, that he thinks it is more cool to be Korean than Singaporean. Did Leo 'come out' as Korean? No, he is simply posting a lot of Korean content on his social media feed. He did go as far as to change his surname though - he is using the Korean equivalent of his Chinese surname on social media but hey, so many people don't use their real names on social media. But here's the thing: Leo has done everything he can on social media to give people the impression that he is Korean. Thus Leo doesn't have to come out as Korean - in Leo's case, he could probably pass quite convincingly as Korean as he is Chinese and he doesn't need plastic surgery like Oli to look Korean.
Just how Korean do you need to be to be considered Korean? Meet my Korean friend John - I got to know him a few years back when he was studying in London and we trained gymnastics together. Yes John has a Korean name, but he prefers to go by John when with non-Korean friends like me. He isn't typically Korean per se, for example he finds K-pop annoying and thinks that the target market for K-pop is 12 year old girls. He prefers pizza and pasta to gimbap and tteokbokki. John speaks English fluently, he consumes a whole range of media in English from the US and UK instead of sourcing entertainment from Korea. In fact, John doesn't seem to do 'Korean' things the way Leo does - a quick look on his social media feed and he posts exclusively in English, I suppose this is because he has friends like me who don't speak Korean. So John doesn't do Korean stuff like he doesn't listen to K-pop, doesn't eat Korean food, doesn't watch K-dramas, doesn't posts videos of himself on Instagram discussing the quality of the kimchi at his local Korean restaurant in Korean (that sounds like the kind of thing Leo would do). But would anyone dispute the fact that John is Korean? Of course not, he holds a South Korean passport, he was born and bred in a rather wealthy neighbourhood of Seoul. He has served his national service in South Korea and of course, he speaks Korean as a mother tongue/first language and has an intimate knowledge of all aspects of Korean culture. No one would ever challenge John's right to be Korean. Thus this begs the question: is the right to be Korean solely for people like John who were born in Korean and have Korean blood, then and no matter how hard people like Leo and Oli may try to be more Korean than John, can they never ever be considered as truly Korean? And what about my friend John from Seoul then - does he need to maintain a minimum level of Korean content in his lifestyle to retain his right to be Korean; could someone like John ever stop being Korean?
Let me contrast Oli's coming out with Mark Roswell, otherwise known as Dashan 大山 in China. Dashan is an very popular Canadian comedian and TV personality in China. He speaks Mandarin perfectly like a native after having lived in China since the late 1980s - whilst he is relatively unknown in the West, he is a massive star in China. He has been dubbed the most popular/famous foreigner in China because he established himself in Chinese media back in 1988 when it was really rare to see a white guy speaking Mandarin fluently. Nowadays, seeing foreigners who live in China speaking Mandarin fluently has become a lot more common but back in 1988, Dashan was simply at the right place at the right time to become an overnight sensation in China. He could have easily disappeared into obscurity after his 15 minutes of fame but he had a unique combination of business acumen, stage presence and tenacity to carve himself a successful and lucrative career by being the white guy who speaks Mandarin fluently. So in the last 33 years, he has done everything from acting to presenting to product endorsements, Dashan has become a household name in China, has he ever had the nerve to 'come out' as Chinese? No, he is a lot smarter than that - he would only invite ridicule if he had the audacity to make such a claim but hey, Dashan doesn't need to. He is more famous than a lot of Chinese celebrities these days, you can go into the smallest village in deepest, darkest Gansu province and they would still know his name. This is the kind of acceptance that is hard earned after 33 years, not simply demanded through a 'coming out'.
But let's focus on the aspect of 'coming out' - traditionally, it is what happens when you tell the world that you're gay or lesbian. One of the most recent coming outs involving a celebrity was Nikkie de Jager in January 2020 - the famous Dutch Youtuber also known as Nikkie Tutorials. I became a massive fan of Nikkie after she took part in two seasons of the popular Dutch reality TV programme Wie Is De Mol (in fact she won the second time she took part). She decided to tell the world that she was born a boy and had transitioned into a woman during her childhood and teens. In her video 'I'm Coming Out', she revealed that she was being blackmailed by someone who threatened to go public with the information that she was transgender and thus decided to get it off her chest by making that information public. Many people never knew that she was actually transgender - many thought that she was simply a woman but after coming out as transgender, she has been a vocal supporter for LGBT rights and the coming out has only boosted her popularity since. But Nikkie wanted to make public a piece of information involving her private life - she wanted people to know the truth: she didn't want people to think that she was born a woman and she wanted to share the story about her journey to get to where she is today so others who feel trapped in the wrong body may draw strength from her story. However, it's not like people didn't know that Oli liked all things Korean (just look at their social media content); so technically speaking, you can't reveal a 'secret' that is already public knowledge so really, Oli is misusing the concept of 'coming out'.
Nikkie had surgery to transition from a man to a woman and by the same token, Oli's plastic surgeries are supposed to make him more Korean. How different are those processes to though? The way I see it: you have to earn the right to be accepted by people from that country or community (the way I have with the Welsh and the French and the way Dashan has with the Chinese) but how have Korean people in South Korea reacted to Oli coming out as Korean then? The answer is simple: no, Oli has been rejected by Korean people - let's examine the range of reactions out there on social media by Korean people on this issue. Firstly, there is outright ridicule by those who think that Oli can never be Korean even if he lived in Korea, had even more plastic surgeries to look more Korean and studied Korean to a very high standard because Oli's parents are English - Oli doesn't even have a drop of Korean blood in them so no matter how hard Oli tries, Koreans will view him as some kind of freak show. Secondly, there are those who feel sorry for Oli and worry about them - some people do think that Oli is just a Sasaeng: one of those K-pop fans who are so obsessed with BTS to the point where they have lost touch with reality and would do anything to just try to get closer to their K-pop idols and get their attention. They feel that Oli is mentally unstable and needs psychiatric evaluation, in order to receive professional help. These concerned people want Oli to love themselves for the person they are rather than resort to undergoing such extensive plastic surgery to become just like his favourite K-pop idol and yes, I tend to agree with them.
Thirdly, there are those who have been nice and kind to Oli - they leave positive feedback encouraging Oli to follow their dreams and express himself but stop short of saying, "because you have done all of those things, you are now really Korean." After all, most of the feedback in these videos have been incredibly hateful and nasty - most people either see him as a freak desperate to do anything for attention or someone who is so psychologically unbalanced they need help urgently. This group of people basically have the message: back off, leave Oli alone, let Oli do whatever they want, it is none of your business. Even if you don't agree with what Oli is doing, Oli isn't hurting anyone as he pursues their dreams so there's absolutely no room for bullying or hate. Your judgement is uncalled for so back off - Oli doesn't need your approval or permission in any case; they have the right to do whatever they want and we should all respect Oli's right to express themselves. So this is basically an anti-bullying stance and thankfully, this does balance out all the hatred online. I failed to find though are any comments from real Korean people who wrote something along the lines of "Oli is now Korean, as a Korean person I accept Oli as Korean." It is just impossible for me to read every comment on social media on the issue but even if there are comments from Korean people out there accepting Oli as Korean after their coming out, those have been impossible to find. There is some kindness out there for Oli but if the aim of Oli 'coming out' as Korean was to get Korean people to accept him as legitimately Korean - then this mission has failed miserably I'm afraid.
Just how hated is Oli on Youtube? A good way to measure it is to look at his music videos on Youtube and to see the ratio of the thumbs up vs the thumbs down, then we can some numbers to look at rather just read the hateful comments.
Mirror Mirror 19K likes : 185K hates
Plastic Is Fantastic 1.4K likes : 17K hates
Koreaboo 5.4K likes : 105K hates
Christmas In Korea 20K likes : 237K hates
Troubled Bitch 1.7K likes : 24K hates
Lockdown City 3.8K likes : 40K hates
Last Christmas 4.6K likes : 42K hates
Heart of Korea 8.3K likes : 105K hates
Butterfly Anxy mix 2K likes : 27K hates
Butterfly 3.8K likes : 42K hates
Perfection 17K likes : 173K hates
As much as I like statistics, where do I even begin? Oli gets about 13 hates for every like they get - now don't get me wrong, even if we look just at the likes alone, that's a lot of likes for anyone on Youtube but it is the staggering amount of hate that he gets. I couldn't resist going into the comments section - it makes for good reading, but they are ridiculed and hated. To put things in perspective as to just how hated Oli is, a song that went viral for being so bad was Friday by Rebecca Black. If you don't know that song, back in 2010 an American mother thought it would be fun to treat her 13 year old daughter to a music video and paid some record producers to create a music video for Rebecca. The result was the song' Friday' and it was so cringe-inducing and crass that it went viral for all the wrong reasons - you have to remember at the heart of all this controversy was a 13 year old girl who suddenly was receiving so much hate from all over the world. It's a whole other story for another day but even as we look at the video for Friday on Youtube right now, there are 1.3M likes to 3.9M hates, that's still a ratio of 3 hates for every 1 like which is much better than Oli's track record. Rebecca is now much older and has released a music video for her new single 'Worth It For The Feeling' in May 2021 - that video has 17K likes and only 464 hates, so at least Rebecca Black can say, "hey guys, remember that I made that terrible music video when I was just a kid? Well I have learnt from my mistakes - I want you to take me seriously now and look at just how well received my latest material is." Good for Rebecca: she has become a stronger and wiser person and she is going from strength to strength but as for Oli, sigh, they don't seem to learn from their past mistakes. Oli's mistakes have not made them any wiser. Not at all - you know the saying: when in a hole, stop digging? Oli, please.
But I need to turn my attention to Oli's 18 plastic surgeries: many people have reacted strongly against his attempts to look more Korean through this way because there's something quite fake and disingenuous about plastic surgery. The irony of course is that South Korea is the plastic surgery capital of the world and loads of K-pop stars go for plastic surgery to achieve the perfect face; loads of Koreans as well would go for eye surgery to make their eyes bigger, to look more Caucasian. Some would follow up as well with a nose job to create a sharper, more prominent European-looking nose, in order to at least try to look Eurasian-mixed rather than just plain Korean. Even in Singapore, famous influencer Xiaxue has had plenty of plastic surgery to look a lot more European yet when she speaks, she still sounds totally Singaporean which I find quite bizarre. That' the complete opposite of what I've done: I've not had any plastic surgery whatsoever yet when I speak, I sound very British - in fact, recently in a meeting, a client asked me if I was second or third generation. I laughed as that was a very PC, careful, tactful way of trying to figure out where I was actually from, if I was born here in the UK or in Asia. I am a banana: I am yellow on the outside and white on the inside, whilst Xiaxue is a Nai Wong Bao - a type of Chinese steamed custard bun (click here for the recipe), she is white on the outside but yellow on the inside. I don't have anything against people who choose to use plastic surgery as an option to achieve the body they want but I prefer to focus on my brain instead of my body when it comes to becoming the ideal person I want to be.
Thus even if Oli underwent even more drastic plastic surgery to look perfectly Korean, he would still be seen as some kind of fraud as he is still a banana (like me): yellow on the outside but totally white on the inside - he should have spent all that time and money focusing on improving the standard of his Korean instead of focusing on his external appearances; then again, that's my personal response as I am a polyglot geek who takes great pleasure in learning foreign languages. Acquiring the ability to understand another language is what appeals to me and I accept that this may not appeal as much to others. If investing over US$200,000 on plastic surgery makes Oli happy, then sure that's a price worth paying for Oli - even if I would have personally preferred to spend all that money on the best Korean language tutors available to help me become totally fluent in Korean instead. But this is why I do empathize with Oli: I know what it is like to have a face that doesn't match my brain. I know what it is like to try to seek acceptance from a community when you feel like an outsider - like where do I even begin? I am a working class Asian immigrant in London working in financial services: even though I have a good job, I can't help but feel like I have to prove that I belong every single day I am at work. Yet the way I have dealt with this was to build many meaningful relationships with the people around me so I have a substantial network of professional contacts and friends - if I want to be white, I would simply live in England, do what (upper class) white people do and have loads of (rich and posh) white friends rather than undergo plastic surgery to look more white and yes I have faced the same challenges as Oli, but have chosen to deal with it in a very different way.
You may ask, "I know Oli has an agent, what is Oli's agent doing about this situation? Aren't they taking care of his career development?" The answer is simple, nothing. Having an agent is not the same as having a manager per se - the role of the agent is to help Oli find lucrative sponsorship and product endorsement deals and to be fair, Oli has done a fair number of those to date. When the agent manages to broker such a deal, the agent would take a nice big cut of the earnings. That's quite different from having a manager who would literally be paid to act as a coach/chaperon to ensure that the pop stars gets up in the morning, attends everything that is on their schedule from singing lessons to dance training to interviews with journalists. The manager would also make sure that the pop star wouldn't do something stupid like get drunk in a bar and then get into a fight; the manager is literally there by the side of the pop star 24-7 to protect the investment of the record label. Such arrangements are actually fairly common in the K-pop world where record labels spend a lot of money investing in young stars, thus they feel they have the right to protect their investment but obviously, coming from outside the system, Oli doesn't have a manager as such. His record label is 'Oli London Entertainment' (yes I know, I rolled my eyes too) and his agent is MN2S - they are based in London. So whilst they have no say over what Oli wants to do next, they actually have so many entertainers on their talent roster (from actors to singers to presenters to models to sportsmen to celebrity chefs that they're really not that bothered if Oli totally goes off the rails and becomes provokes yet another big controversy that he cannot recover from, because they have much bigger stars on their books.
Whilst Oli is free to do whatever they want, the whole 'coming out' as Korean episode badly misfired and this is a reflection on Oli's very poor social skills - sorry but I have to call a spade a spade. Yes it was a PR stunt to grab attention but Oli failed to have anticipated the overwhelmingly negative response to it: that's a big miscalculation on their part. I know some people may argue that there's no such thing as bad publicity but I must disagree with that, at least in the context of this case. Oli did come across as totally clueless about how his 'coming out' as Korean would be received by the public and indeed, if he had known just how negative the backlash would have been, he might have used another method to show the world just how Korean he felt. Someone with better social skills might have anticipated what would have happened or at least have asked a good friend, "hey if I publicly come out as Korean, how would the public on social media react to it? Do you think the BTS fans (aka Army) would like it?" But no, like a completely autistic person, he came up with an idea and went ahead with it without even first considering how others might view it. He then gets upset when people don't react the way he wanted and claims that he is owed an apology and I'm like, woah - this person has never had a real job, have they? Certainly not one in marketing when you have to make sure your message is going to resonate with your target audience. Please, by all means, do feel free to do whatever you want in terms of plastic surgery to create the face and body you want, but when you try to seek the acceptance of others, you put yourself at the mercy of their judgment and that was Oli's biggest mistake: if you are going to be this controversial, then do not seek acceptance.
Ultimately, I feel sorry for Oli - I think that somewhere along the way, he had lost his way. He started out trying to market himself as a British K-pop star and I thought, okay, that's different. A white guy trying to make it in this genre which really isn't open to non-Koreans but hey, he has a USP and he would stand out in this market. However, after the plastic surgeries and the controversy about 'transitioning' to be Korean after 18 plastic surgeries to look Korean, oh dear. The wheels have come off this bus. Oli had gone from someone who had something different and unique to offer to simply becoming a toxic mix of a a sasaeng and a troll. Oli is so desperate for attention that they don't mind if it comes in the form of death threats - like where do I even begin to explain the problem here? At the end of the day, this is a very tough industry and the big stars like BTS and BlackPink do have marketing and PR experts to help plot every step they take, so everything will achieve the desired effect and that's how they create the perfect image to sell to the fans. Whereas Oli London doesn't use the services of such marketing and PR experts - heck, even if he spent that US$200,000 on the experts, their services do not come cheap and that money won't go far at all. Most pop stars are good at singing rather than sales & marketing - it's a completely different set of skills and even if Oli is a brilliant singer (they are not) who has potential in the K-pop genre (no they don't), it would be wise for them to leave the marketing to the experts in order to avoid all the PR gaffes he has made thus far. It takes a certain amount of humility to recognize when you are out of your depth and when it is time to seek professional help. Thus that's where Oli clearly suffers from the Dunning-Kruger effect.
So that's it from me on this topic, what do you think? Can someone change their ethnicity by simply coming out as Korean the way Oli did? Or is this a sign of self-entitlement on the part of the strawberry generation? Has all the backlash on social media been too harsh and cruel, does it tantamount to cyber bullying? Is Oli merely a young person with poor social skills who has made some bad decisions or do you believe in the mantra that no publicity is bad publicity? Do you actually think that Oli will wake up one day in the future and regret all this plastic surgery to look more Korean? Have you ever met someone like Leo or John and who do you think between the two of them is actually more Korean? Or do you think that Oli is too autistic to learn from all their mistakes? Please leave a comment below and many thanks for reading.
Y'know, even amongst people who are the exact same race and religion, ethnicity can still be a thorny issue. And I've seen that from the way ethnic Chinese people might not want their kids marrying a Korean/Japanese for no particular reason aside from "cultural differences". Or the way the Flemish and Wallonians in Belgium don't like each other.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, even though Oli isn't hurting anyone, most locals would have a problem with someone claiming to be their ethnicity without setting foot there because it means they might judge the culture without knowing it. It reminds me of Anton Casey having to leave Sg after criticizing poor people on an MRT. If Anton Casey was a local Singaporean, most people would probably have not made as huge of a fuss on social media, it would just be like "yeah rich people are jerks... what do you expect?"
Oh Amanda, you only have to go back to my parents' generation to see that kind of racism at a more extreme level: my father's parents vehemently objected to my parents' marriage because he is from a Hakka family and my mother is Hokkien. They're both as Chinese as they come but she was 'the wrong kind of Chinese' and my father was expected to marry a Hakka-Chinese woman. Thus marrying a Hokkien was as taboo for them, it was not like he married an Indian, Russian or South African woman, but that's how intolerant that generation was. We've come an awfully long way - I'd like to think that part of that is due to the fact that we can communicate better these days. My mother doesn't speak Hakka and thus struggled to communicate with the in-laws but everyone in my husband's family speaks English (how convenient) as well as German and French. The world is a better place today.
DeleteOli has lived briefly in Korea actually but the standard of their spoken Korean is shockingly poor and very, very limited to the basics. I probably speak as much Korean as Oli and I don't even include Korean as part of the 25 languages that I claim to speak. As I have pointed out, you can't come out as Korean and demand that everyone sees you as Korean - you have to earn that right by becoming so Korean that the Koreans accept you as one of their own. That's what I've done with the Welsh and the French and that's what Dashan has done with the Chinese - it can be done, but it's years and years of hard work and yes, it involves mastering a foreign language to an extremely high standard, to speak like a native.
Hmm, was it all just misunderstanding all along then? Sometimes I forget that we take for granted that two groups of people who didn't grow up in the same city can even communicate with each other. That reminds me of 1920s America and how the Irish/Italian migrant workers used to be treated as poorly as how America treats South American migrants today, only because these Irish/Italians couldn't speak any English at the time.
DeleteDashan is a pretty cool dude, he's trying to introduce stand-up comedy to China. He even learnt about traditional Chinese arts, and also has a degree in Chinese studies. An average Chinese would have no problem accepting him since he seems to show the right amount of respect for the culture. I think he's even more Chinese than both of us who look Chinese and have Chinese parents.
It's more complex than that - people of our generation are quite happy to use a lingua franca (more often than not English) just to facilitate communication but back in the day, my father's parents expected my mother to learn Hakka as a sign of respect. You marry into a Hakka family, you jolly well learn the language - my mother couldn't. To be fair, my mother speaks Hokkien, English, some Mandarin and Malay - there's enough overlap there for my mother to communicate with my father's parents (esp since they all spoke Malay to a decent standard) but my father's mother would refuse to speak to my mother in anything but Hakka and my mother would desperately stare at my father waiting for a translation. It's a tragic story, my father refused to teach his children Hakka to punish his parents - so you end up with the very strange situation whereby I speak 25 languages but I can't speak my dad's language. Oh the irony.
DeleteOh BTW, the Irish immigrants to America were all English speaking because Ireland had been a part of the British empire right up till 1921 and the English tried very hard to stamp out the Irish language, forcing the Irish to speak English instead of Irish and today, most of Ireland is totally English speaking. But it takes more than just the ability to speak English to avoid racism when people are so racist.
Oh I'm not that fussed about Dashan, my dad falls over and goes oooooh when he sees a white person speaking Mandarin and I'm like - hello? What about Asian people like me speaking Welsh, French, Spanish, German etc? Where's my adoring fans showering me with praises for being so gifted in learning foreign languages? But yes, Dashan is definitely so much more Chinese than you and I ever will be. Which begs the question, Korean John isn't that Korean at all - he's more Americanized/Westernized than most Korean people but nobody questions if he is Korean or not. Then people like you and me - well we're not that Asian either, yet people don't question if we're Chinese or not. But when Oli or Leo try to be Korean, everyone starts questioning them, "well just how Korean are you? Is your Korean fluent etc?" I bet nobody ever asks you Amanda if you speak Mandarin or Hokkien to question just how Chinese you are. It's a puzzling topic.
Then of course, there was the case last of Australian chef Sarah Tiong whose parents are Malaysian-Chinese, she got really angry and accused a radio DJ of being racist when the DJ greeted her with nihao. Clearly, Tiong wanted the DJ to ignore her ethnicity and to speak to her just like any other white Australian person in English and when the DJ brought up the topic of her skin colour by using the word nihao, Tiong got mortally offended. I get that a lot in the UK, it's not racism per se but it's dumb white people who want to scream at me, "I'VE NOTICED YOU'RE ASIAN, ARE YOU CHINESE? GIVE ME A MEDAL FOR NOTICING THAT YOU'RE CHINESE!" Let me give you an example, I was at the gym when this other gymnast suggested I try this really difficult combination - I normally train a back somersault with 1.5 twists and she suggested that I immediately connect that with a front somersault after the 1.5 twists. I tried that a few times and kept crashing as it was a difficult combination that I couldn't pull off - then this white guy said, "it's like you have a GREAT WALL OF CHINA in your head when between the two skills." And I'm like, you mean to say I have a mental block when it comes to connecting those two skills - which can happen. Translation: it's not like you're not physically capable of connecting the two skills, but you're either afraid or lacking confidence, that's what's holding you back from doing the combination, hence the 'mental block'. But the fact that he forced the words 'great wall of China' into the sentence was somewhat offensive. He's one of those white people who are like "I NOTICED YOU'RE CHINESE NOW GIMME A FUCKING MEDAL!" #rolleyes some people have such shockingly poor social skills I swear.
DeleteMan, it surprises me that in-laws being horrible to their new daughter-in-law or even son-in-law was considered normal back then. Nowadays that would be considered domestic abuse. I know my mom doesn't accept us kids marrying anyone who doesn't work in the 5 jobs she considers respectable, or anyone who isn't as rich as us. But I don't care because I'm never gonna let her disrespect a future spouse of mine since this is unacceptable behavior.
DeleteOh yeah I forgot that Ireland was conquered by the British since ages ago. Then it makes me wonder what the fuss even was in 1920s New York city, aside from classism and maybe religious discrimination. Discrimination follows no logic I suppose. Btw, I did speak to a Danish kid of immigrants recently and I'm surprised when he tells me he can't speak good Danish despite living in Denmark since he was a toddler(he speaks good English though). Apparently there is this weird situation in Denmark where a lot of immigrants cluster together such that the schools their kids go to are 90% immigrant children, so they get very little practice in Danish. In America that hardly ever happens. We have a lot of South-American immigrants who can't speak English very well, but all their kids go to schools with a majority of local-born Americans and speak perfect English. It's a big problem in Denmark because these non-Danish fluent children will find it very hard to pass exams to go to university and climb the social ladder.
Lol it is puzzling that nobody would question me and you about our degree of Chinese-ness even though we don't do anything Chinese except maybe eat Chinese food, but someone would definitely question Dashan. Maybe it's because China and other Asian countries don't have a history of waves of non-Asian immigration. Me and you can easily pass for a local born American/British because there are already many local-born Asians in the US/UK, and we work jobs that are at least middle class so nobody sees us as a drain on the welfare state.
Ugh, that person at the gym was probably just trying way too hard to be friendly but failing miserably. Recently I got a roommate from India who is flying here next month. I was about to tell her there's a couple of Indian restaurants near our apartment so she can get take-out while she's still buying a cookware set. But then I realized that sounds really insensitive and I would hate it if I flew to Germany and a German roommate told me there are some Chinese restaurants nearby I can eat at before I could cook my own food. But that takes self-control to put yourselves in another person's shoes, and this insensitive person at the gym probably didn't think of how he would feel if someone associated him with the royal family just because he's British. I assume he's British, but every country has corny examples. I'm always surprised when Americans make Hitler jokes whenever they find out someone is German or has German ancestry.
Well my parents got married in the 1960s, it was over half a century ago - the world was a very, very different place back then. As for our Chinese-ness, well white societies are a lot more open about people moving there and identifying as British, French, American, Canadian, Australian etc regardless of their skin colour. In fact, we live in such a PC society that even drawing attention to one's skin colour (such as that dumb Great Wall of China comment in the gym) is seen as being offensive or at least a sign of really poor social skills. But in the East, it is quite different - sure you can do what Dashan did and become totally Chinese in a way that no one can question your Chinese credentials, but Dashan is a rare case; how many people are there like him in East Asia? Very few. But yes, I can see that you are very careful about being PC when speaking to your Indian room mate - that's a sign that you have excellent social skills, so good for you Amanda.
DeleteDon't get me started on white people assuming that all I wanna eat is Chinese food. Like you, I do eat and like Chinese food, but hey, I enjoy all good food no matter where in the world that cuisine is from. And of course, that's usually some kind of effort to try to establish rapport but good grief, like I said, some people have pretty poor social skills, unlike us!
DeleteI really like watching this youtube channel called "The Black Experience Japan" which interviews black expats in Japan or even other Asian countries like Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore, and Korea. There are non-Asian looking expats in Asian countries, but it is still a relatively new phenomenon so locals are still adjusting to treating the born and raised Expat's children as culturally Asian.
DeleteThank god I didn't make any Un-PC comments haha, it would be a very dumb way to start off living with a new roommate. I like Chinese food but only authentic Chinese food and even then not everyday. There's too many other foods to try to stick to Chinese food (also there's not many to be found here anyway). I should introduce my new Indian roommate to the local delicacies, foods the city is proud of as "theirs" that everyone eats. Only if she asks "are there any Indian restaurants/Indian food markets?" will I mention any.
Hmmm - the thing is a lot of expat children still stick to their little bubbles and never actually break out of it. I have an Italian friend who grew up in Shanghai - like he lived in Shanghai from age of 1 to 15 and still barely can string together a sentence in Mandarin. Typically, he kept to his international school bubble; so his English is perfect having been educated in English, he is Italian so he learnt that from his parents and he also speaks French but despite growing up in Shanghai, he virtually speaks no Mandarin at all today. Go figure. But if an Asian family went to work in say Denmark or the Netherlands, do you think they would learn Danish or Dutch? Nope, they would do the same thing and only speak English. But that's why people like us - we're unique. We're smart and we have good social skills, we're not your typical expats.
DeleteAnyway, I am glad that I have good friends at my gym who don't make dumb comments (ref: 'Great Wall of China') - that was one person who didn't know me well, that's why he defaulted to something Chinese. But otherwise, my friends who do know me well, they won't say stupid things to me and I'll ignore the comment about the great wall because at the end of the day, that guy was trying to build rapport with me, albeit in a really dumb way that failed - there was no malice involved, just a lot of really poor social skills.
Oh and feel sorry for me tonight, urgh. England won the soccer match against Denmark so it has been so crazy noisy out there tonight. I need to get a good night's sleep as I start my new job on Thursday morning!
DeleteHmm it is true that expat children will tend to stick to their bubble, but they can afford to. If one doesn't have wealthy parents who can send them to University wherever and in whatever language, then they don't have much of a choice.
DeleteYeah it doesn't look like that person at the gym hates Chinese people, he just doesn't know how to build rapport otherwise. A Sarah Tiong response could be warranted, but should probably he avoided. I get way more pissed when people assume things about women rather than what people assume about Asians. I think in your case assumptions about the LGBT community are more irksome.
Lol I thought you'd be happy England won haha. But you're not that type of patriot. I didn't watch the game, but I will watch the Euro final tomorrow (and so will many other Brits). Jeez if England wins tomorrow then the streets of London are gonna be packed tomorrow night. Good luck at your new job!
The irony is that the guy in the gym who came up with the 'Great wall' comment is in fact Italian and I build rapport with by speaking Italian - he obviously can't speak Mandarin with me (hey, not that I ever asked him to - he has the choice of Italian or English, either are fine with me) but if he thinks that coming up with a reference like that is as good as speaking Mandarin or Hokkien with me, then geez, what can I say? He has poor social skills. As for assumptions about the LGBT community, it's not that bad to be honest - you do get the odd idiot who makes stupid assumptions but again, I make the distinction between genuinely homophobic people and just idiots with poor social skills and it is usually the latter I encounter rather than the former.
DeleteAs for football, good grief. All night long, you had idiots tooting their horns on the road outside till like 1 am in the morning - I put on my white noise machine, turned on the fan and put my ear plugs in. I took a while to fall asleep and actually got up before my alarm went off - time to get some breakfast and then suit up to go to work! The finals are these Sunday and I really really hope England lose so I can get a decent night's sleep. Quite frankly, I'm more focused on stuff about me me me me me me me, like I post videos on Instagram about my gymnastics training or talk about my new job - I don't support a football team the way other people do as I'm like, nope I'd rather focus on myself than watch someone else play football.
The thing is you're at a gym, he could've asked if you did gymnastics growing up and the answer would've been yes. Oh whatever... Sport clubs are large, easy to avoid certain people if they're not pleasant to talk to.
DeleteLol yeah, football fans in the UK are very passionate. I only watch the games then go home, not celebrate whomever winning. I recently tried to pick up football because I didn't play it growing up and only started watching it recently, but it requires a lot of cardio. But yeah, like my Italian friend says "some people use football to distract from their own life problems", and Italian fans are just as passionate as English fans. I only got into football because the tactics are interesting, and player trading aspects remind me of the stock market.
I don't have an issue with people playing football - I am all for people choosing a sport they enjoy and like, but I did a recent piece on how I feel about football fans. https://limpehft.blogspot.com/2021/06/as-historias-de-viagens-2-football-fans.html Urgh. My first day was stressful in a way I didn't expect. I was so freaking nervous/excited, I slept poorly the night before, but like an eager beaver, I got up early, got there on time and drank way too much coffee in the morning. Then after lunch, I got asked to join a meeting and hit a brick wall like at one stage, I could NOT keep my eyes open and had to go to the toilet to wash my face. Great, day 1 and I fall asleep in a meeting after lunch. I did the same thing again this morning, ie. wake up an hour before my alarm went off and it is so hard trying to stay awake in the afternoons. I like this working from home thing where I can just shut my eyes and sleep for 20 mins anytime I like, but geez, a real office? I am still getting used to it.
DeleteIt's still early days, I am not asked to do much yet but I think I'm going to come up with an agenda of 'this is what I would like to do, this is where I can add the most value' - rather than be this kid who goes, "right boss, what do you want me to do next please?" Gotta show initiative.
Oh wow, that isn't a great way to start 1st day of work. What part of London do you live in where the football fans are really loud? Though London has many football clubs there's fans everywhere.
DeleteYeah, I'm not entirely used to coming back to the office either. At home the napping station is just a short walk away haha. Do they let you at least come in in the afternoon/anytime you want? Yesterday of all days everyone at my workplace just decided not to come into the office so our boss emailed everyone to ask where we were. Before that not everyone comes in on the same day but it was always 60% capacity so someone was available to make excuses for the no-shows haha (car trouble, sick, apartment problems, etc.).
That's good you show initiative. I assume your job is not just someone telling you what to do, but instead you coming up with the ideas on what to do to make good money.
I live in Camden but that's got nothing to do with it - allow me to explain it to you like this: we have had a tough 18 months with about 150,000 deaths from Covid and we have endured 3 long lockdowns. This has actually little to do with football - life in England has been pretty miserable and awful for a lot of people who have lost their jobs and struggled to find new work. We have stories of people who have lost decent jobs and ending up as delivery drivers just to make ends meet. In short, life has been really fucking miserable for a lot of people in England because of this pandemic. People have had little or not reason to feel good for 18 months and suddenly, this is like one piece of good news so people use it as a reason to celebrate, get horrifically drunk and party even though it has nothing to do with them per se. I compare it to new year's eve parties whereby people celebrate as if they have something to celebrate about but really, what have they achieved? They didn't die and they lived to see another year? I see it in the context of the majority of people in England having had an utterly miserable 18 months, the hardest period of their lives - so this is just a form of release but it affects my sleep. Hence I'd rather deny them that, call me selfish if you must. I have a great new job that's super well paid in a really chic office. My fitness has returned and I am regularly posting my gymnastics training videos on Instagram - I don't need football as a distraction if my life is going well but sadly, few people in this country can actually say that.
DeleteI have found a 'phone room' in the building - ie. it's like a small private room where you can make phone calls and I am sure I can sleep there. This is how posh the office is - there isn't a pantry to make tea/coffee. If I want a coffee, I dial 1025 and ask for room service, the lady then will take my order and bring me my coffee. I saw the prices on the menu, holy shit it is expensive but it's okay, I'm not paying for it - the company is.
I have been tasked to come up with ten ideas of what I could do to make the marketing campaign better by Monday - I stayed late on Friday and did it already. But I like the idea of having to prove myself: it keeps me motivated. This morning I arrived so early in the office I was the first one in and realized, holy shit, where is the light switch? I don't even know how to turn on the lights in the morning when I am the first one in.
150k deaths is a lot considering the UK's population. And I thought the US was bad. Yeah I'm also someone who doesn't understand the concept of new years, I never count it down and just sleep through the night. I used to wonder why people were so happy about the new year, and someone explained it to me as "it's a new year, hope that means the world will be different than it was last year." But of course the one person who needs to change to affect one's life is oneself, not really the world(it would be nice but highly unlikely). You got a new job, that's not a bad new year's present at all. What did I do different this year? I went to therapy for the first time, so that's good enough for me.
DeleteLol they give you a phone room and room service? Now that's luxurious. Not even Google or Facebook has the food service I heard. But I guess that's chump change compared to having 1 employee come up with 10 ideas on how to make more money, and feel happy enough to come in early and stay late occasionally.
Oh yeah, we have become very tolerant of death rates. Japan just freaked out when they had new 920 cases a day and I'm like, oh please - we have half the population of Japan here in the UK but we have about 35k new cases a day. They've not even hit 1000 new cases a day and we're now like, oh more people died? It's their fault. They should have gotten vaccinated then they wouldn't die. Otherwise, if they still died, then they're probably fat and sick - then they should have taken steps to protect themselves by reducing contact rather than going out partying and catching Covid. How would you react if you heard that someone who was a heavy smoker just died of lung cancer? It's the same thing.
DeleteWe have a roof top bar too - I could go there, order anything I want and just tap the company card. Gone are the days when I say, "show me how to use that coffee machine", I just dial 1025 and I don't even need to identify myself (caller ID, they can see which company called up) - I just tell them what I want. And it's like a proper cafe with a menu and I'm gonna admit this to you, there's an Asian food section to the menu. Whilst I didn't say it out aloud, I thought, "I can't wait to work my way through this menu!!!" So far I've only had the seared tuna steak with soba noodles and Asian greens and it was pretty respectable. There is even a dim sum menu and one day, I wanna say, "bring me one of everything."
And the thing is, I don't think - I see the people in this company consume soooo much alcohol it is like, woah and I know the bar prices. But I will write a whole blog piece soon (maybe sometime next week) about being the new guy in the new place: I am so different. I don't drink. I don't like football. I always wear a suit and tie. I am the only non-white guy there. I am the only openly gay guy there. I don't fit in yet I was hired because they know how good I am at what I do when I work my magic.
LOL, just spotted a massive typo in the last paragraph: I don't DRINK. I don't consume alcohol. I am not a person who drinks alcoholic beverages. I do think, my brain does work.
DeleteWhat I'm most surprised about in the west is how restaurants serve such large portion sizes with lots of sugar and salt. In Asia if such a restaurant appeared it would go out of business because it's more profitable to serve smaller portions. I went to in-person boardgames recently, and I was surprised at how unfit everybody was. Whatever I thought was "fat" in Asia looked skinny compared to what I saw. But this seems to only affect certain types of people. Around my university, everyone including the older adults are thin, because we have a lot of athletes jogging around campus, and a hospital next door, which probably peer pressures everyone else to keep fit.
DeleteSo you're telling me there's a couple of restaurants in this building that have contracts with other businesses in the same building to provide food for their employees? Wow, I see why people want to work in finance. Lol we were just talking about how we don't want to be stereotyped as only liking Asian food, but if it's high-end Asian food then why not?
Regarding fitting in/job discrimination. In the US it is known that racism does exist, but you still see nonwhite people like Beyonce or Will Smith make it to the very top. I'd say racism is horrible, but it mostly affects the average person who doesn't have any special talents and did mediocre in school(e.g George Floyd), and not the exceptional bright individuals like yourself. Unfortunately the average joe, especially in a minority, is in the least best position to fight racism.
There are two restaurants in the building, one in the basement and one on the roof terrace - I'm still not sure if they are run by the same people but the menu seems different and I've seen the dim sum appear on the roof terrace but not in the basement. I can get dim sum via room service but right now, I'm not taking the liberty to order too much yet. I don't wanna come across as cheap - one of the directors has already invited my hubby to pop by the office to have lunch at the roof terrace so they're clearly being super friendly to me and embracing all my quirkiness. "You're gay? Great! Bring your husband to the office, we'll have lunch at the roof restaurant!" I guess in finance, they don't give a damn what I do in bed with whom, it's how I can make money for the company that matters. That's why there isn't that much discrimination (be it anti-gay or anti-Asian) in finance for people like me, because they see me as an asset who can help them make money. And that's why people work in finance, cos they love making money, they have their priorities right: it's money first and I actually like that honesty.
DeleteBut yeah, there's a massive difference between me and people like George Floyd. I do enjoy certain privileges but damn I worked hard to get to where I am. I had another difficult session with my nephew today but sigh, I wanna tell the kid, it doesn't matter - as long as you know how to prove yourself out there in the working world, that's all that matters, nobody gives a shit about your grades by the time you become a working adult like me.
Probably not run by the same people, but still making decent money from the companies that order from them. Rental prices must be very high in that building. Aww that's nice they invited your husband over, they're really using that rooftop bar to attract good employees. I also think that wealthy people tend to be more liberal than the average person. When people have money, they care less about what other people do in their private lives. When people don't have money, community acceptance is more important because they rely on others for help. Question, do you think the finance industry is accepting of trans people? It surprises me that 20 years ago being non-hetero in public was unheard of, but at least one doesn't have to disclose their orientation. With being the T in LGBT, its not something that can be concealed as easily.
DeleteYeah, I still remember how you mentioned your not so great first two jobs and how you had to grind through them for a several years before getting a decent job. I kinda hope if your nephew doesn't do well on the A levels, he at least gains some upgrade in social skills from going through NS. Btw, if this isn't too personal, how did your nephew do well on the GCSEs to get into JC if he's struggling on the A levels right now? Surely there's some untapped talent there?
As for minorities in banking, there are very few: a) women, b) people of ethnic minority, c) working class people and d) LGBT however, it's not like women are that hard to find - given that the ratio of men to women should be 1:1, it's more like 70% male 30% female in the industry. But as for ethnic minorities, in the UK, we have about 87% white, so we expect 13% of the people in the industry to be non-white but it's closer to under like 3 or 4% only and even then, it's mostly Indian or Chinese Asian rather than black. As for working class people, again, it's like being gay, I don't shout it from the rooftops that I came from a working class family and in any case, my lifestyle today is anything but working class since I am spending all that money I am earning to enjoy a high standard of living and as for the gay part, whilst people I work with know I am gay, I don't shout about it either. It's not like I meet a client and I go, "hi I'm gay Alex, I'm Alex and I'm gay, I like men." If people ask me, I would be honest about it of course but it has never been an issue either way.
DeleteAs for my nephew, sigh - where do I begin? He does well for subjects like maths and physics but struggles with English and economics because of the way his brain is wired. He is unable to process information for English and economics the way he has to for a maths test. His O level grades were good enough to get him into a mid-range decent JC, but otherwise I did get worried when he was forced to do economics as that was so far out of his comfort zone. He got through O level geography by simply memorizing the textbook and you can do that at O levels, but not at A levels. So let me explain to you how it works in the exam: you will get a 'case study', for example we look at how Covid has impacted the economy in Japan, so you will get 1 or even 2 A4 sides of information to read about that case study. Then you will be asked questions based on the case study, so they will be in this case very specific to Covid and Japan. So you would then be asked a question like, "what happened to the consumer price index in Japan during the pandemic?" My nephew would then look at such a question and write down everything he knows about "consumer price index" whilst ignoring the words 'Japan' and 'pandemic' - he would write down a huge amount but none of that answers the question, leading to him scoring nearly zero in this case. We're not even talking about him scoring a C or a D, we're talking about him barely scoring 4 or 5/100 at this rate, it is that dire. At this stage, I think the best strategy would be to check out which universities in the UK or US would grant him entry with just 3 A level subjects and not even sit the exam for economics at all. It feels pointless to even spend time revising for it and take the exam only to score an F.
I think with regards to women its not as difficult to hire women because the universities are now slight majority women. But with minorities, the universities aren't even at the same proportion as the country. But yeah there are always invisible minorities like being working class or LGBT.
DeleteOh okay, so the O levels don't demand such creative answers. I didn't take economics for A levels though, but I took the Cambridge international exam equivalent which is the A levels exported to other countries. Is it possible to replace economics with another science subject just to get into university? I got in a Singaporean university about a decade ago using the Cambridge A levels and no economics subject (I took all sciences + math + English, but then again I got an A in English).
I'm surprised one can just memorize the geography textbook in O levels. Growing up I had essay questions for humanities/geography/English since year 7 (secondary 1), so my listening/reading comprehension on exams was trained enough for me to do well on the English A level. Not that I didn't struggle in social situations.
Oh it is not so simple - Singapore's A level system is such that students need to take a range of subjects to teach them a range of different skills, so that's why a pure humanities combo (which is what I did) or a pure math + science combo (used to be very popular) is no longer possible and students are forced to take something outside their comfort zone. In principle, I agree with the basic premise of this rationale but I sure as hell would've hated the thought of being forced to do maths instead of something like geography or English literature. Now my nephew is part of this current system and thus was forced to do economics - he is 1.5 years into a 2 year programme and normally one takes 2 years to cover an A level syllabus, the kid has like what, 5 months left before his exams? Trying to start a brand new subject now this late in the process is just impossible. There is just no time and in any case, the only way for him to remain within the system would've been to take another humanities subject like geography and we'll be back to square one. The other alternative is to eject him from the system altogether, hit the reset button and send him abroad to somewhere like Canada, Australia, the UK etc but I don't think that option is on the cards even though his parents now concede that the Singaporean education system is rotten to the core.
DeleteNow we're just not sure what we can do; I'm just hoping he doesn't end up at a private university. I know his father would be more than happy to send him abroad but my sister is so protective she may not like the idea of sending him abroad at all.
I guess it all comes down to what your nephew's parents' expectations are of his short term education goals. Is it just getting into university, any university? Or what about finding a job? Any job? Though I don't know how it would help to keep him in Singapore just for the sake of it.
DeleteOh at this stage, they recognize one thing: my nephew is traumatized by the system. The system doesn't work. They just want him to be happy. They are not your typical Singaporean parents - they tell him things like it is okay to fail a subject, but my nephew is too much a product of the system and sees it as a personal failure if he doesn't do well at school. Some kids are simple creatures, like their entire world revolves around being a student - they don't know anything else about the world beyond the school gates so if that's all they know, they wanna be good students and if they can't, they get very upset. Such is the case here.
DeleteMind you, my nephew doesn't hate Singapore the way I do - so for him, keeping him in Singapore isn't a problem for him. But as you've pointed out, the issue is that there are the good universities in Singapore, then there's this massive gulf between those and the private universities - there isn't a mid-tier range of options for average students and therein lies the problem. I have already suggested looking at mid-tier British universities. So we have 130 universities and a league table, mid-tier would be anything that sits in the 35 to 75 range in the league table. It's a mid-tier option that doesn't exist in Singapore, because doing the equivalent of SIM is like going to a university in the bottom 10 in the UK and IMHO that's just a pointless waste of time and money.
Oh and England lost last night - phew. And it was pouring with rain, so it was a calm night and I got a good night's sleep. There was this bizarre incident where there was a commotion outside my window (I live by a main road), so I looked out of the window and there were a group of Italian fans waving Italian flags in a car, taunting a group of England supporters by the side of the road and there was just a lot of "fuck you! fuck you! fuck you!" And I was like, grow up you bunch of childish imbeciles, get a life. Whatever happened at the football game has nothing to do with you guys, you're all a bunch of pathetic losers.
DeleteBtw I don't think it's about being educated in Singapore per se... I think your sister is worried that if she sends her son abroad to the UK/US(or another English speaking country), he might decide he likes it there and doesn't come back to Sg. Cuz you mentioned there was some resentment that you went abroad.
DeleteIf he does go abroad and returns to Sg after graduation he would also have to start from zero making new connections to get his first job. I've seen firsthand what that looks like after moving to the US after getting a bachelor's in Sg. If he goes to a mid-tier school abroad I doubt it would carry much brand recognition in Sg compared to an NUS/NTU graduate. But I suppose it's better than SIM.
I like football but I'm regularly surprised people will attack my team by saying their team is better, but use the word "you" in place of my team and "we/us" in place of their team. I never insult other teams, but some losers just can't fix anything in their life and need to capitalize on every opportunity to feel superior.
Hmmmm, fair enough, you don't have to hate Singapore to like life in the West. A lot of it will depend on whether or not he enjoys his time at university and I have encountered Singaporeans who have hated their time in the UK before. Yes there was resentment that I was 'allowed' to go abroad - 'allowed' is not the right word here but my sisters were never in a position to apply for a scholarship, so going abroad would not have been an option for them but I made my own solutions happen by making sure I could get a scholarship to leave Singapore in the first place. So yeah if I may be honest, my sister (who is the mother of my nephew) did go as far as to identify a course at a British university that she would have loved to have done but it just wouldn't have been possible - I think my parents were worried that she would just marry a white guy and never return. So she assumed that my parents would never let me go as I am gay and I would just end up having so much sex with British guys in London but when I got my scholarship, I got my way so there's that resentment that I got my way and she didn't. But I hope we can put all that history aside when we consider what is best for my nephew's future.
DeleteLol isn't marrying a white guy and never returning what you ended up doing? But I doubt there is much appeal to remain in Singapore as an LGBT youth. Even in the 2010s it wasn't that acceptable in Sgan society. Yeah I hope your sister can ignore what happened to her when considering her son's situation.
DeleteWell yes, I managed to 'escape' whilst my sister didn't - hence she is resentful that I managed to escape but I do feel that she has to take responsibility for her choices in life rather than resent the fact that I made different choices that led to different outcomes. As for being LGBT, actually it would be misleading to overplay the role of my sexuality in leaving Singapore. There were so many aspects of Singaporean politics that have absolutely nothing to do with lgbt issues that totally make me feel disillusioned and disheartened. It's not the government's stance on LGBT issues that made me leave but I would say the biggest reason is that I found myself at total odds with the majority of Singaporeans who approved of the PAP and gave them a mandate to rule - I could either be in the minority or I could leave: so I chose the latter.
DeleteHmm, I also complained a lot about the PAP when I was in Sg. I just wasn't used to not having freedom of speech, and how openly in public people can talk about hating foreigners. Also I mostly hated the parental way that PAP politicians talked to their citizens. America may have it's problems(expensive healthcare + college), but at least it seems like politicians can be reigned in using votes. Georgia turning blue in 2020 was a huge surprise.
DeleteAlso I dunno about you but I missed nature a lot while in Sg. It's just one huge concrete jungle in Sg with no mountains/rivers/forests.
Well Amanda, you can only imagine what it must be like supporting the opposition in Singapore, like where do I even begin how hard that battle must be. I chose not to be a part of it and left instead, which I believe was a rational decision. I'm not saying things are perfect in the West, but at least I am happier here than I would have been had I stayed in Singapore. One major problem with Singapore is the extremely high population density which just makes everything expensive - we're not just talking about housing here although that's the obvious place to start. When you have that many people crammed into a small island, you have all kinds of problems and there's just nowhere to escape to.
DeleteLol a popular YouTuber did a video about how Singapore maintains a dictatorship. They have all sorts of tactics to thwart opposition, including redrawing voting districts or merging them if they don't have favorable votes.
DeleteYeah I was gonna mention that because rents are so high many people just stay with their families until they get married or even until they have their first child. I could not even rent my first apartment alone until I moved to America. I can't think of how hard it must be if you don't get along with your parents in Sg.
Aaaah yes I think I saw that Youtube video as well, by PolyMatter - they did a really good analysis and explanation of the situation. So yes, given that this is the situation one is facing in Singapore, you either choose to a) support the PAP, b) become politically apathetic and find something else to be passionate about or c) leave Singapore altogether. For those who cannot pick option c), they have a choice between options a) and b) and you'll be amazed how many actually pick a) - I can't even begin to deal with that. It's their choice at the end of the day.
DeleteYou know the sad thing about the situation in Singapore is that I know of people who don't get along with their parents and still live at home, they learn to give each other space but really, it's a far from ideal situation. I have this friend who is my age (45!!!) and still living at home with his parents and can't afford to move out - but what choice does he have? If he was in a country like the US and UK, he could just find a cheaper suburb where housing is cheaper to get a small place of his own on his average salary, but in Singapore, that's simply not an option.
Yeah Polymatter makes a lot of very good videos on Sg. They are a blatant dictatorship. Some things they do really well like public transport and healthcare, but housing is far from ideal given the high rental costs.
DeleteJeezus 45 and still living at home. Though that doesn't surprise me because one effectively has to be somewhat rich to have their own place in Sg. I think one needs minimum $4-5k sgd/month to get a decent one bedroom apartment whilst paying for other expenses and having savings. But many Singaporeans I know can't even clear $4k/month in entry level jobs. If you're stuck at the bottom of the career ladder then it's either roommates or stay with family. In the US/UK one can get a used car that is 20+ years old for $1000 or $2000 (on credit too with no downpayment), and find a cheap place in the suburbs and commute to the city. Or just move to a different city altogether where living costs are very low.
There is no such option in Sg. Poverty in America/UK may be scary but I still see "poor" people owning houses and cars. I can't say the same for Singaporeans.
Well my friend who is 45 and still living at home with his parents has two choices: one he can enjoy a roof over his head at low-cost/rent-free whilst having a lot of disposable income or he can spend a huge portion of his earnings on rent if he were to rent his own home. If he wishes to go shopping in the private market for a nice new home, well we're talking about money he doesn't have and short of him winning the lottery, the status quo isn't going to change any time.
DeleteIn the UK, all you have to do is to go into the countryside. Remember before I started my current job, I did a quick countryside break in Somerset by visiting my bro-in-law there? I said I was going to go for a walk and he said, "oh if you're walking down that road, look out for that pink house on the left as they are putting it up for sale." I found out two things: the pink house costs less than half of what I paid for my London home. And it isn't just a "pink house" - it is a mansion, upstairs, downstairs, 8 rooms, massive garden + huge piece of land surrounding it. It used to be a massive farm house where the people in the farm worked, so now it has been converted into a residential property but who would want to live in a house that big in the middle of nowhere, sooooo far away from civilization? But yeah, I can buy two of those for the price of what I paid for my modest London home: so if that's for a massive mansion + plenty of land, imagine if you just need a small flat for yourself. So you do have relatively poor people owning their own homes in the UK, because we do have affordable options for those on a very limited budget. It's called living in the middle of nowhere.
It surprises me how sympathetic parents are in Sg to let their adult children live with them. But unless your child works for the government or for a big MNC, its probably not possible for them to leave the home. I've also heard crazy stories of people who don't get divorced because they can't afford to lose their hdb. Or rich Sgan couples who do get sham divorced just so they can buy a second hdb.
DeleteLol all that for half a London house? Btw, recently I went to a party in my department that was hosted by a professor at his house. "House" was an understatement because it was 30 minutes drive outside the city and was more farm than house. When I say farm I mean this guy kept 5 horses in these huge fields, and a baby horse which everyone wanted to see. I was surprised one can even afford this much land on a professor salary considering the housing prices in downtown. But hey it's the middle of nowhere, and if one doesn't mind commuting to work then they can buy a house which makes them feel rich.
Sg is such a weird country... on the one hand you have these very wealthy expats who work in finance/tech that rent private housing and send their kids to international schools even though Sg's education system is not 3rd world by any means(my cousin at Facebook is one of these). And on the other hand you have foreign workers from 3rd world countries who are imported as cheap labor. And then there's the average Joe/Jane locals who are squeezed in between. Prices are kept high due to demand from rich expats, while wages for the average person are kept low because of competition from poorer foreign workers. I'm not usually against immigration, but considering how little land/natural resources there are, maybe too many people is a problem.
Well it's a cultural thing - I think that Singaporean parents are very afraid of being alone whilst in the West, your kids will probably end up in another city, country or time zone and they are quite confident about finding plenty to do without turning to 'family life' to spend the last few decades of their lives. I have one sister who still lives with my parents and whilst my parents are grateful for her company, they care so little about her that if you asked them, "what does your eldest daughter do for a living?" They would not be able to answer that question at all - they plain don't know. Go figure - that's the bizarre thing about the Singaporean situation. There is this extreme fear of loneliness but give them a child and they don't know how to build a decent relationship.
DeleteWould you like to live in a country house that big? Oh I have dreams about it - a big house, high fences, no neighbours, I would be the lord of the manor, I would enjoy having a nice garden. But I think I would get bored quickly without people to meet, without work to do and if we were in lockdown, then yeah it'll be perfect but now life is returning to normal again and so I can once again appreciate the vibrant city I live in. That 'pink house' up for sale is really in the middle of the countryside, in the middle of nowhere.
That's really different from the west, parents are expected to know a lot about what their kids do but not live with them. I have a Dutch friend who lives in the same city as her parents and sister, but the two sisters have their own place separate from each other and the parents. They do visit each other often to do things though.
DeleteI think for a vacation I don't mind renting a mansion with friends. I rented a villa in Bali once with two other friends and that was fun. However, I would get bored without having close access to social clubs for sports/boardgames. It's probably impossible to find a large enough group of fencers in the countryside to form a fencing club. So no, not for the long term.
Sigh, to be fair to my parents, on one hand, yeah they don't care about their kids but on the other hand, let's put it this way: I am struggling to get my head around terms like private placement programs, arbitrage, medium term notes and there are a ton of acronyms like SBLC which I am having to Google. What I am doing is not easy for me, I don't even feel 100% confident yet after a week in my job. I suppose it's easy to reduce it to a term like "Alex works in banking". What does he do there? The second question gets harder once you try to give more details. I just roll my eyes at the thought of explaining that to my parents - like, what's the point? They won't understand, so I don't even try to tell them and thus they don't know because I withheld that info from them.
DeleteI do think that people who care about you will try to understand what's going on. I have friends who aren't scientists but they would happily sit through 30 minutes of me trying to explain random equations and how they affect how computers work. But people like your parents don't have that kind of attention span. It makes you think that a true mark of any relationship is just "free patience." Many people will be patient with others for money, but not for free.
DeleteWell what I choose to discuss with friends about my new job is quite selective - with someone coming from outside the banking sector, I would focus on stories like the dynamics of office politics that I am discovering (long story, not sure I should make this public, not yet anyway). But oh yeah, even as the new guy, I've to figure out who is one who's side and how to make sure I come across as totally neutral to everyone. If I share a story like that, then you can relate to it as long as you've been in a similar situation before and had to deal with office politics. But if I start talking about the complex stuff like PPP, MTN and SBLC, I would lose you pretty quickly if you're not from within the industry.
DeleteAs someone with autism it took me a while to understand the concept of "selective information" or even "white lies." But there's that phrase "out of sight out of mind." I just came back from another office party where we went around introducing ourselves and giving an interesting fact. It took me forever to figure out what others would find interesting while waiting for my turn, because it's probably not something I find that interesting. I'm glad I didn't blurt out "I used to be a quantum physicist", because the answers other people gave were "I broke my arm in a car crash" or "I got stuck in a washing machine." Instead I mentioned a story from fencing. The only way I can handle social situations is thinking hard about it like a math problem...
DeleteI would handle such situations by mimicking what others do - sometimes their answers, decisions and actions may make no sense to you and that's when you have to decide, do I wanna be myself and stand out (and risk not blending in); or do I wanna make them accept me at any cost, even if it means doing something or saying something I normally wouldn't do? It's a personal choice what option you pick but if you went for the former, I wouldn't judge you. It all depends on the context, I wouldn't be able to say what I would've done if I was in the same situation. I don't think you would have been penalized if you chose to talk about physics, but hey, that's just my humble opinion.
DeleteYeah it is a choice, and to be fair nice people will accept almost anyone provided they aren't a murderer/thief/drug dealer. But first impressions matter, and I think I can tell people more about myself later when they wouldn't misunderstand. Physicists have a reputation for thinking they're better than all other fields because all the loud-mouth popular scientists tend to be physicists (Michio Kaku, Niell DeGrasse Tyson, Richard Feynman, Stephen Hawking, Einstein even).
DeleteBtw were you the quiet kid growing up? I was, but then I realized it made me look cold so I started forcing myself to talk more but wasn't very good at it. But over time I saw there's value in being the quiet person. Because not talking a lot means one can be a good listener, and people like that too.
It is much easier to look like a Korean than it is to become a naturalized Korean by learning the culture and speaking the language.
ReplyDeleteIt is just like putting lipstick on a pig. If you are ugly then you can change your name to Handsome to get everyone to call you that. But it doesn't change your appearance at all.
Well Choaniki, in this case, I would compare the examples of Dashan vs Xiaxue. Dashan is still totally white, he's not touched plastic surgery at all but he has earned his Chinese credentials over the years. Contrast him to Xiaxue who has had plenty of plastic surgery to look white but when she opens her mouth, she speaks like a Singaporean and doesn't sound white at all. Now Oli is just the reverse of Xiaxue, no matter how much plastic surgery they have, they're just focused on what is on the outside when actually people care what's on the inside - if either of them were sincere about embracing another culture, they should have gone down the Dashan route.
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