I have a situation on my hands whereby I know what is causing the problem but I don't have the solution - many of you would already know that I am tutoring my nephew to help him get through his A level economics exam. I had a bizarre situation recently where he struggled to get his head round what was a really simple concept not because he is stupid, but simply because he was unable to get his head round to the fact that he couldn't simply see the world from his own perspective. So we were talking about the concept of price elasticity and I raised the example of luxury goods. I picked up my crocodile (that I had recently acquired from Hamleys) and I said, "imagine if this crocodile costs $5,000 - it is a luxury item, would it be price elastic or not?" My nephew's response made me shake my head in disbelief, he said that if the crocodile is so expensive, then the person buying it would be spending the majority of his earnings on it. I stopped him right there and then and said, no that's not correct. Can you tell me what would determine whether or not I am spending the majority of my income on a $5,000 crocodile? My nephew then ran through a whole range of options whilst totally ignoring the obvious. I had to explain it to him, "if I earn $5,000 a month, then I am spending 100% of my income on the crocodile. If I am earning $5 million a month, then I'm spending just 0.1% of my monthly income on it. But if I am earning $1,000 a month, then I can't even afford to buy it in the first place." I thought that was obvious, it was the kind of question where you could work out the answer just using basic common sense, but my nephew just couldn't figure it out.
This begs the question: is my nephew simply too stupid to work out the answer? Well, perhaps I am biased and am finding excuses for him. I know what is the cause of the problem. My nephew is simply seeing the situation from his own perspective: when presented with an item that costs $5,000, my nephew would feel that it is expensive because it is not something he could afford as a student. He is completely dependent on his parents if he wants to buy something nice for himself and they wouldn't give him $5,000 to spend on a toy. He has done a part time job during his school holidays but given how little he was paid there, he wouldn't be able to afford a $5,000 toy with the money he earned. Hence it made complete sense to him that a $5,000 item was very expensive and that was why he thought that one would have to spend the majority of one's earnings on it. But in economics, he is not being asked to offer a personal perspective or opinion on the matter - he is expected to demonstrate a wider understanding of the issue that would encompass looking at all points of views. Is this a big ask? Well yes it is, but it is a useful skill to develop and that's why I am glad he is being forced to do economics - quite frankly, he will almost certainly forget what price elasticity is after he finishes his last exam but learning to see the world through the perspective of another person, learning to consider points of views that may be radically different from yours is such a vital skill that will serve him very well for the rest of his life. I'm afraid people who think like that are only too familiar to me as I have often observed this type of behaviour with my (highly autistic) parents.
So let me give you a simple example: I once told my mother the story of Otto Warmbier, the American student who was imprisoned in North Korea after stealing a propaganda poster from his hotel in Pyongyang - he suffered a catastrophic head injury whilst in prison and never recovered from it, he died in America six days after he was returned in a vegetative state. My mother then said something downright stupid: she said tourists shouldn't visit North Korea because "you never know what kind of rules they have there." I had to point out to her that my mother didn't know anything about North Korea - she is ignorant about North Korea, but that was her problem. There are other people like myself who have very detailed knowledge about North Korea and would have a very clear understanding about how one is expected to behave and what kind of rules visitors to North Korea would have to abide by. In fact, if you were to book a trip to North Korea, you would have to be a part of a guided tour and your North Korean guide would spend a lot of time and effort explaining to you exactly what you have to do to avoid getting into trouble whilst in North Korea. No doubt, Warmbier would have been given that same important information as all other visitors to North Korea - however, the young American had been drinking heavily the night he stole the poster and no doubt, his intoxication had affected his judgement when he decided to commit the theft. My mother didn't try to verify the facts of the case with me - she simply assumed, "if I don't know the laws and rules of North Korea, then nobody knows it." The concept of considering the fact that other people may have a different perspective is completely alien to her because she is so autistic. I don't expect my mother to know anything about North Korea but when she assumed that everyone else was just as ignorant as she was, she had crossed the line.
Oh my mother's complete lack of common sense can be incredibly frustrating to deal with - when she last visited me in London some years back, it was in the winter and she actually said to me, "I have to pack enough clothes with me as I can't do laundry in London." And I was like, what are you talking about - you are staying with me in my house here. I do have a washing machine, so you can wash whatever you want, whenever you want. She then claimed, "in winter it is so cold, so the clothes will never dry, the water cannot evaporate when the temperature is so low, that is why I cannot do laundry so I have to pack enough clothes to last me the entire trip." Yeah, she actually said that. I was like, "so you're telling me that everyone in Europe - all 750 million people - do not do laundry during winter. Like we last do our washing in October and we cannot wash our clothes until March, is that what you are suggesting?" It was the way she had dealt with the issue that just left me shaking my head in disbelief - welcome to my world, this was the kind of stupid bullshit I had to put with up growing up with severely autistic parents. A normal person would have simply turned it into a question, "could you tell me please, how do you dry your clothes during the winter when the weather is so cold?" I would have been very happy to answer that question, but for my mother to adopt the stance that if she doesn't know the answer, then nobody would know the answer and in this case, if she didn't know how laundry is done in winter in Europe, then nobody is able to wash any clothes during winter. Good grief. Where do I even begin? It is this complete inability to consider the fact that others do know complex stuff you don't know about and try to see the world from another person's perspective.
I get the same idiotic crap with my father as well, when he was here in London on that same trip, he tried to pick a shirt for my brother in law to buy and I had to tell him that he had picked a very casual shirt that was not business attire. If my brother in law were to wear that to the office, it would be considered somewhat inappropriate or at least it would reflect poorly on his taste in fashion. I then went on to describe how in the UK, the way you dress would reflect your class status and identity - that was why it was very important to dress appropriately at work to appear like a trusted professional rather than a clueless impostor who doesn't belong there. So we would look at little details on the design of the shirt to determine one's class identity, so without even saying a word, I have already judged you by the shirt you have worn to the meeting. My father than said something that made me roll my eyes in disbelief, he claimed that in this day and age, nobody cares about it anymore as people just want to dress comfortably and that you can't really tell the difference with modern fashion anyway. I pointed out to him that he may feel that way as a retired old man who no longer has to go into work everyday, but that is uniquely his point of view and he should not assume that other people would feel the same way on the matter. The fact is my father knows nothing about how one could instantly tell a man's social class simply by scrutinizing the clothes he is wearing, but just because it is something he doesn't know about doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Oh it can be intensely frustrating dealing with autistic people who are instantly assume that their view of the world is the only valid opinion to the exclusion of all other points of views. I really don't want my nephew to be like my parents. My father is old - he can be as cranky and autistic as he likes, but my nephew has the rest of his adult life to go through.
This begs the question, given that I am autistic as well, how did I avoid ending up like that? I tried to remember if I was ever once like that when I was younger and I remember being quite autistic when I was at school. Oh I struggled to form relationships with people around me and I opted for activities where I could work alone - that's what attracted me to the sport of gymnastics as I could ignore everyone else as I trained in the gym. It wasn't a team sport like volleyball, football or basketball where you had to work with others in your team. But it was gymnastics that taught me the basic principle that I had to abide by the rules that someone else has made - you see, gymnastics competitions work like this: each routine is judged by a panel of judges who all use the same rule book called 'the code of points'. So I couldn't just performed the skills I liked for the competitions, I had to make sure they would score well when appraised by the judges according to the rules. Then there was everything else I did at school - if I tried to give a personal response or opinion during a geography or economics assignment, I think the teacher would send me a stern note to redo the assignment or s/he would instantly fail me. Eventually I expressed my opinions through creative writing and I found that I was really good at it - I joined several competitions in the 1990s and even got published in 2000 in the UK. In short, I figured out when I simply must abide by someone else's rules (which is most of the time) and when I can express my own opinions.
The one place where I really learnt to be aware of the opinions of other people was ironically the army - oh yes, I did grow up a lot in the army but allow me to be very clear: I wasn't given any help whatsoever. I was merely placed in a very difficult situation and I figured out how to deal with difficult people on my own without any help. So it's not as if I am giving the system any credit for helping me grow up - hell no, I take full credit for being so fucking intelligent that I used a very difficult situation to grow into a better person. In such an environment, there is a very high price to pay if you fail to take into account the opinions of others and just assume that everyone agrees with you. I had gone from school where the environment was a lot more homogeneous in terms of our social backgrounds, in the army, I had to live and work with people like ex-convicts and former gang members - let's just say they were the kind of people you had to get along with and at the very least, you never want to offend. Within that kind of environment, you want to think twice before making any assumptions about those around you! Would it be overly optimistic for me to hope that my nephew will automatically figure this aspect of his social skills out next year when he serves in the army? He is going to have to serve regardless, that's a done deal but would it be the equivalent of simply pushing a non-swimmer off the ship into the sea with the advice, "if you can't swim, now is a very good time to learn because you're gonna drown otherwise - good luck!" Taking an approach like that does sound rather cruel if I put it like that of course - but hey, that was exactly what I went through.
It's not that I haven't tried to point out this problem to my nephew - in fact, I am grateful I have the context of teaching him economics otherwise I fear I run the risk of being way too critical. I don't want to be the uncle who is always trying to find fault with his social skills, yet at the same time, somebody has got to help him in this aspect of his social skills. Ironically, I can see exactly what the problem is and what the cause of the problem is as well - I just don't know how to fix it. The fact it it is so easy to tell someone he has a problem - it's a lot harder to try to help them to find a solution to make things right. Simply telling him that he needs to analyze each situation from a whole range of perspectives rather than focus on his own hasn't been enough to get him to do that - it is something that is going to take a lot more training and I really don't know what else I could or should do in this case to help him. Like him, I too am autistic but somehow this was something I have managed to overcome. Thus I have tried hard to see how I solved this matter in my own life and there wasn't really an Eureka moment where I sat up and said, "aha! I have figured it out! I know the solution!" No, it was a very long learning process over many years where I slowly became wiser over time - I could see the way I had learnt a lot as a working adult. Perhaps I should just take a step back and allow my nephew to figure all this out in his own space and time; but would that be too passive a response to this situation? After all, I have chosen to intervene when it came to his preparations for his A level exams - I was not prepared to sit back and wait for him to figure it all out on his own and so instead I took a very hands-on approach to drag him kicking and screaming across the finish line with these tutorials.
This is frustrating for me of course because I am the kind of guy who wants to help the people I care about. Allow me to finish by telling you what happened at the gym recently: I go to this adult gymnastics class in East London and I saw a beginner trying to do a back handspring but as an adult, he was making all kinds of mistakes. Instinctively, I walked over and asked if I could help - I wasn't even working or volunteering as a coach that day, I was only there to train but when I witnessed a situation whereby I could fix, naturally I jumped into action. I then spent about 15 minutes helping this guy with his back handspring until I felt I had really done something constructive to help the guy. He didn't ask me for help, I offered my help because I knew I was in a position to help and I felt good about being able to help that guy (and hey, I made a new friend that day). That's just me, when I see something wrong, my instinct is to try to fix the problem. Of course, I'm not trying to fix every single problem I come across - that would be ridiculous, I know when to turn a blind eye and tell myself when to mind my own business. However, this is my nephew we're talking about and my instinct to try to help is based on the fact that he is family. I don't think anyone in my family expected me to help, the same way that guy in the gym wasn't expecting me to come over and give him a free lesson. But if that's what I would do for a guy I have only met for the first time at my gym, I am willing to invest far more time, money and effort to help my nephew with this issue yet I must confess, I don't quite know what to do in this case and that is why I am humbly asking you for your help.
I shall end on that note and turn this over to you, what do you think? How can I gently get my nephew into the habit of considering the perspectives of others? Can I do it within the context of teaching him economics or is this something that he needs to learn outside a formal academic environment? Is this really purpose of making students study subjects like economics at school? Are my expectations too unrealistic? Please leave a comment below and many thanks for reading.
Y'know the concept of "carrot and stick"? Well for you the Army was the stick, it was punishment if you didn't learn empathy. Maybe the carrot would help your nephew? Like if he had a crush on someone and needed to be a smooth-talker to get a date with them?
ReplyDeleteHi Amanda, there are so many things I need to put in place before we even get to that point. So for example, my nephew once told his parents and I about this pretty girl in school and all the boys were trying to impress her to get her attention. And I pointed out to him that the boys were doing it all wrong - the way to get her attention isn't to impress her, but to find out what she is interested in, do some research on social media to find out what her internet footprint is like. Then for example if you find out that she is very interested in a TV programme or a computer game, then you know exactly what to talk to her about and she would be far more willing to engage you in conversation if it is about a topic that she is clearly very passionate about. But if you try to impress her without finding out what she is interested in, then you're not going to get good results - she is just going to find you creepy and full of yourself. Amanda, I'm sure you've met creepy guys like that before. You're just going to tell them to f*** off rather than try to help them with their poor social skills and explain why their approach has misfired so badly.
DeleteSo hypothetically, if my nephew encounters a nice girl that he likes - what is more than likely to happen is that he will try to impress her the wrong way, ie. without finding out what this lady is interested in, he will try to impress her with something he is very interested in. He will fail miserably of course but then it's a question of what he does at that stage? Would he be self-aware enough to consider another person's POV by coming to someone like me and saying, "uncle Alex, tell me what I am doing wrong, tell me what I need to be doing instead." To do that, he needs to even acknowledge in the first place that someone else would have a different point of view and perspective on the matter - that this different perspective could be the answer he has been looking for all this time.
Call me pessimistic but what he is most likely to do is to ignore the fact that someone else may have the answer he needs and he will simply keep making the same mistake over and over and over and over and over again before finally giving up. I've tried to teach him 3 things so far: ping pong, skiing and economics. I've seen him go down the route of making the same mistake over and over and over again - I've been so frustrated and wanted to scream at him, "you're totally wrong, I'm 100% right, just stop and listen to me, I'm trying to help you but you have got to listen to what I am saying for crying out aloud!!"
There are two ways to react to the challenge of wooing a beautiful woman you fall in love with - you can either seek help to become a more irresistibly romantic, charming Romeo or you can give up wooing that woman of your dreams, do what my father did and settle for the ugly woman who's even more autistic because she is so desperate she will say yes to you even if your autism is off the scale. Sigh. Those are the options you know and I worry that my nephew will pick the latter.
Lol even straight girls make that dumb mistake of trying to "impress" a guy by dressing super well or getting really good grades. I see what you mean about having a Dunning-Krueger effect on top of a lack of empathy, it is a double whammy of stalling progress. In my friend group we do have a male friend who has such bad social skills that his coworker complained to their boss that he was "creepy." And the funny thing is this guy's best friend is an irresistible Romeo who all the girls will approach without him even trying anything. The Romeo is polite, never talks over people, loves to listen, and always finds out what others are interested in before running his mouth off. He's not even that goodlooking but has 10x better manners than the average guy. But this dude with bad social skills has never even once asked his Romeo best friend "what is it you do that I don't that gets girls to want you?" My other friend says "well our friend who is unlucky in his romantic life (and very desperate) has a huge ego. For him to ask Romeo for help means admitting he is doing something wrong, which he can't even do right now."
DeleteBtw I don't think your nephew has ego problems, he is probably just clueless because it seems all of his peers are also clueless haha. He really should find a Romeo to be his role model. Jeezus in my case my best friend is also a "Juliet" and she offered to go to bars with me eavesdrop as I talk to guys to give me feedback.
DeleteWell Amanda, by all means, I think people should dress nicely if it makes them feel good (LOL have you seen my Instagram). I'm not doing it to impress people per se but to make myself feel good. The word for vanity in Chinese translates to "love-beauty" or "for the love of beauty", ie. I am doing it because I love being beautiful, not because I'm trying to impress anyone. But good grief, so many clueless people make that mistake of trying to impress the person they like instead of finding a more meaningful way to establish rapport. It's social skills 101, some of us have managed to figure it out, others remain totally clueless.
DeleteBut we go back to the fundamental issue of trying to get someone like my nephew to even acknowledge that different people can have different points of views, that his perspective of the world isn't the only valid one that exists - that other people can have a different perspective which may be a lot more valuable and insightful (especially if this other person is your older, wiser, rich, successful uncle who has managed to overcome his autism). Thus it is the same reason why your creepy friend hasn't even thought about asking Romeo for help with his social skills and one then wonders if Romeo would volunteer to offer that help? It then becomes a case of 'you can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink' - can you help someone like your creepy friend if his social skills are so poor that he doesn't even acknowledge that he needs help in the first place?
It is actually something that we do take for granted - the ability to simply acknowledge the situation and say out aloud, "I need help, can you help me please?" Let me tell you what happens in my economics tutorial with my nephew, I will ask him a question and he will try to answer the question, but within like 10 seconds I have to say, "stop - you're barking up the wrong tree, you're completely wrong. What was the question I asked you?" Usually, he cannot even remember the question he was supposed to answer. He makes this mistake over and over and over and over again (it's freaking frustrating) - he hears one word he recognizes like inflation, price elasticity, fiscal policy, dead weight loss etc, then he just vomits out everything he remembers about the term without relating it to the question. I have told him time and again, if he doesn't understand the question, instead of spouting rubbish in the hope that the random rubbish will answer the question, he needs to say, "uncle Alex, I don't understand the question." Then at that stage, I will break the question down into smaller chunks and maybe offer him a hint at what the answer should be about. Sounds simple? I'm not even scolding him for getting it wrong, I'm asking him to ask me for help if he doesn't answer the question.
But does he do as I tell him to do? Nope. He keeps making the same mistake over and over and over and over again even though I keep telling him, "if you don't understand the question, ask me to explain the question to you so you can begin to understand what the answer ought to be." Good grief. Even with me offering him that kind of help, he doesn't take it in the context of learning economics. Sounds familiar? It's just like your creepy friend who has never asked Romeo for any help. As to why some autistic people can't even recognize the need to ask for help, sigh - where do I even begin Amanda?
Besides the impending danger of misunderstanding a question on the A levels for almost every subject (except maybe maths), how is your nephew gonna survive NS if his commanding officer tells him to do something/asks for a piece of information and he doesn't understand the question? I shudder to think of the consequences of getting something wrong in the army. But he does have Autism, he just shouldn't let it get the better of him, even if it's difficult. Though even people without autism struggle to admit their own failures or empathize with others. It's why classism/racism/etc. exists even though most of the world doesn't have autism.
DeleteOh god with my creepy friend he constantly complains girls don't want him but he doesn't take any steps towards changing his behavior. Also he doesn't even have Autism(confirmed by professionals). It's not just the attitude problem even though that's the main issue, he is also very very unfit. In fact him and Romeo had a fight a few years ago where Romeo said he was going to the gym to work out and lose weight and his best friend said something about how he will always be fat even if he tries. And btw Romeo did get fit after several months of gym + cardio, while our creepy friend is still kinda on the heavy side. I just don't get that guy sometimes... And even till today he still eats unhealthy and doesn't exercise.
That's why listening comprehension is a very vital social skill to develop - it really isn't rocket science. Listen to the question, make sure you understand the question before rushing into an answer. If there are parts that you are not sure about, clarify before attempting an answer. If I explain it like that to you, it makes complete sense - it even seems straight forward but with my nephew, sigh. Week after week - he makes the same mistake of hearing one word he recognizes like 'inflation' and then he rattles off everything he knows about inflation without actually answering/addressing the question. As for what happens if that happens in the army, well he will be punished - quite severely so. I am hoping that it will then be the fear of punishment that will force him to improve his listening comprehension in that context - after all, as an uncle, I can't threaten him with a punishment should he make a mistake in my tutorials; that's not how I want to teach him, I don't believe in punishment in this context. But yes, the army won't hesitate to punish a soldier who messes up because of listening comprehension failure. It is the duty of the soldier to listen to the orders carefully and obey them - if the soldier doesn't understand what he is being told, the onus is on him to seek clarification. I imagine my nephew will suffer a lot of punishment before he learns his lesson the hard way that he has to seek clarification if he doesn't understand what he is being told.
DeleteBut hey, if I can survive NS, so can he - I just wish he will learn fast so the instances of 'punishments' will be kept to a minimum, but that's entirely up to him. As for your creepy friend, no one can help him unless he is willing to a) seek help and b) accept help. Otherwise, just avoid him.
PS. I am escaping to the English countryside in Somerset for 36 hours (Thurs morning to Friday night) - it's a very short break before starting my new job next week, I am taking advantage of the fine summer weather! So it'll be Friday night UK time before I am back online here.
DeleteOh yes definitely take advantage of the summer weather. I never knew I took for granted being able to walk outside year round in Sg till I came to America and had to experience 4 seasons. I heard Somerset has a lot of farms, lots of locally produced food that is hopefully very tasty.
DeleteY'know, we both had issues making friends and socializing in high school, but we never had an issue with reading comprehension in the A levels. I suppose maybe our autism is not that bad. Btw, I recently got rejected for a few jobs without interview. I'm very bummed, but also I didn't expect this since my resume is considered good in academia. It makes me think what industry values is totally different than what universities like. Bad reading comprehension on my part... I need to get my hands on an example of a winning CV within industry so I can model my own after it. Oh well... At least I can admit I messed up and seek help afterward.
Hello I am back from Somerset (and Dorset, we were effectively on the county boundary). The food was meh, I was never a big fan of English food. I'm from SE Asia and given the chance, I want something spicy. I had this chicken dish for lunch in Sherborne, Dorset (see my instagram https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ1TVoqAYxi/ ) and I was like, it's kinda bland, it's not spicy enough for me. The thing about holidays in the UK is that it is all too familiar - the local supermarket is identical to the one I have here in London so everything is like meh, same same, sama sama. But at least I slept well last night so we felt energized enough to do plenty with the day before returning on the last train to London.
DeleteAs for applying for a job and dealing with rejection - akan datang, I have some thoughts on it and am doing an experiment. I have recently tried to help 2 friends get a job in finance, they have different issues and it's just interesting to see their journey, how they have overcame their challenges. I will blog about this.
Lol come to think of it English food is not even internationally known, even in it's former colonies like Sg. The only English food I know is fish n chips, but I will still try to add lots of asian sauces to it. Do you like the Indian food in the UK though? I think Indian food is great from the ones I've tried in Sg. So many different spices and ways of cooking.
DeleteSo recently I asked my school alumni who works at Apple to look at my CV. Uhh, he said it was not written super well, especially the publication section. He also gave me his CV as an example. Also since he works at Apple he said not to feel bad about rejection because top companies prefer to poach someone with experience rather than hire fresh grads. He worked for 4 years at 2 other companies following graduation before Apple wanted to hire him. So it's fine if I work for a smaller company and work my way up, you did this too before breaking into the good jobs in finance. I feel less bummed now, but I definitely should've asked for help before applying and getting rejected by Facebook and DE Shaw. I was so grateful this stranger on LinkedIn even gave me advice that I sent him a $60 giftcard.
Actually I was going to ask you to help tell me what's wrong with my CV for finance jobs, but I think I'm good for now with the Apple person's advice. I had no idea I wrote my CV in such an autistic way till I got an expert's opinion haha. That's nice you tried to help your two friends. I presume one of them was in a prior blogpost who stressed a lot about CV.
Oh I never travel for food per se, I've been to some places where the food is absolutely dreadful (Eastern Europe and South America in particular) but I still want to go there to see the world - the lack of good food doesn't bother me as it is not what I seek. I make a big point about this as I view it through the context of Marslow's hierarchy of needs. Experiencing the Andes mountains in South America in winter is fulfilling a much higher order need than just eating good food - in sharp contrast, my parents are uneducated and very simple creatures, hence for them the only pleasure in life is good food so they are far more focused on food than other high order needs. I have thus resolved never to be like them. As for Indian food in the UK, there has always been an Indian community here given that India was a former British colony, however, there are two kinds of Indian food: the watered down version made for white people (think non-spicy, bland) and the original Indian food from India made for Indian people and not white people. I seek out the latter and avoid the former.
DeleteYou're not going to like my answer regarding CVs - I don't think it matters. There's no secret formula like "follow this template and all your problems are solved". It's like cosmetics - an ugly woman can use the most expensive make up in the world and she will still look like an ugly woman with a face full of expensive make up. You have gotta look at the raw ingredients you're working with - ie. if you're a candidate of substance, then anyone with a good understanding of the industry can see that and will want to get to know you better to find out what you can offer. In my experience, I usually take note of one thing on a person's CV like, "she has worked with this company, hence she has proven herself worthy" - I am looking out for something on your CV that jumps out at me to say, "hire me, I am fucking brilliant." If I don't see that, then I move onto the next one. It's not the format or template of the CV that matters, it is whether or not you have those accomplishments to prove that you're fucking brilliant. Otherwise, we can spend ages going through your CV in finite detail, but that'll be like spending $1000 on make up trying to make an ugly person beautiful - it ain't gonna work. Either you're brilliant or you're not - the CV doesn't alter that.
I haven't visited south america but I would like to in order to visit historical sites like Machu Picchu. It baffles me that ancient civilizations were that capable of large construction projects using primitive technology. But I still like trying other cuisines. Though I also don't like the "white" asian food I see in America. As Asians we just need spices and not just sugar/salt/butter.
DeleteI wasn't asking per se how to rewrite my CV, but asking what are the holes in my CV and what would look good on an ideal CV that is currently missing. Think of it as an ugly woman walking into a modeling agency and asking what pretty girls look like so she knows what to tell the plastic surgeon/personal trainer later. This affects what projects I'll pick for the rest of my PhD, so I know which ones would show to the finance industry I'm brilliant.
Hmmm Amanda, pardon me once again for being cynical but if it was thaaaat easy to patch up the holes in your CV, then everyone would be doing it and everyone would have perfect CVs with no gaps/holes. But in real life, it isn't that simple. Quite frankly, I think you're putting the cart before the horse - you're getting the order the wrong way around. You think your CV will need to impress people when really, it is YOU who needs to impress people rather than your CV per se. Even at PhD level, I roll my eyes and think, "yeah right, as if I'm going to be impressed by anything you do at university - that's so far removed from the business world I inhabit." Sorry if it sounds harsh, but it's like expecting me to give a shit about what kids have done in school or university - for me, it's all childish stuff that's not done in the real business world, like none of that matters as it's an academic project, rather than something as tangible as starting a small business that makes money. Let me tell you about a good friend I am helping to get a new job (I'll call him ROP, his initials), ROP was from a poor family, he never even thought of going to university, he dropped out of school at 16 and started working for various small businesses in his town before moving to London where I got to know him through a mutual friend. He is an incredibly nice guy who helped me with a personal project - that's when I could see that despite not having a degree, he has talent, he has intelligence and business acumen that he has gleamed from working all these years. Thus I am convincing my new boss to give him a job (long story, work in progress) and am setting ROP up for an interview with my new boss because he has excellent qualities. ROP said to me, "but Alex, you realize I know nothing about your world of banking." I told ROP, it doesn't matter - we can teach you everything you need to know, we're interested in you because of the qualities that you have, qualities that we can't teach you to attain. The technical details about banking, that's easy peasy - we can teach you how to do that in a few weeks. But you have such great social skills, that makes you a one in a million - that's why I think my boss ought to give you a job in spite of you having zero experience in banking. So Amanda, you need to learn how to get the attention of someone like me to demonstrate that you are indeed outstanding and brilliant - you need to do that outside the academics, outside the projects for your PhD. The job market is so full of people with degrees coming out of their ears, you need something above and on top of all that to truly stand out. That's why people like ROP have gotten my attention, because he has something truly exceptional that no university in the world can teach - excellent social skills.
DeleteHey Alex, I see what ROP did to impress you. He looks to have talent and street smarts rather than a tonne of degrees, which is easier to glean from a personal project than reading an application from a total stranger. I hope he gets the job! You're not actually cynical at all, at least compared to me. Even I am starting to be skeptical about some of the projects I've done that have been covered by newspapers. Yesterday I was bitching to my boss that a lot of stuff we do is probably 5-10 years away from actually being useful to industry, so I wanted to take advantage of an entrepreneurship program offered next semester that gives me access to seed funding to develop our patents into products. I don't want to keep working on more ideas that are 5-10 years away, I want to be useful to the companies now so I can get a job after graduation. This is what I hate about universities sometimes... they really don't care too much what happens to the student after graduation. But even undergrads have this problem of not being able to find a job because they did too much of what the university told them to do, which is only to study.
DeleteAnyway, I realize I probably sound like a privileged jerk right now complaining about being rejected by Facebook despite having the luxury of a referral. I complained about that to my boss yesterday too, and he immediately told me he knows someone in Google. But all the referrals in the world mean nothing if I can't stand out amongst all the other candidates that are applying...
Hmmm Amanda, allow me to explain my perspective: you are academically brilliant, you are a PhD student at a top university hence your focus is entirely on the academics, it is what you would use to prove your worth to an employer. Whereas you need to look at it from my point of view as an employer: would I be interested in your academic achievements? No, because quite simply, I am not a university professor looking to grade your assignment. I am coming from a completely different angle, thus it would be worth your while to find out exactly what my priorities are and how these different priorities shape my perspectives in terms of what I am looking for in an ideal employee. Hence you need to be aware whom you're getting feedback from - your boss at your university would have a very different perspective than someone whose salary is completely dependent on the commercial success of the projects s/he works on. For what it is worth, I would love to see you prove yourself outside the university, I want to see you demonstrate street smarts and business acumen once I take you out of the context of the university.
DeleteYeah, I need to get out of my ivory tower bubble if I'm looking to escape haha. I've actually only worked 6 months in the industry, and it was so different from academia which is why I went back to research. But now that I'm returning I need to know what they like that will pay more than my horrible entry level salary when I was in industry. Btw I looked at the resume of my friend who works at Apple. It is so different than what I've been conditioned to think is important in school. In academia it's always about new ideas, even if they're not practical for use today. This reminds me of what you said about how the quantitative researchers/coders in finance sit in the back, get told what to do, and perform what you consider are "boring" tasks. When I saw this Apple person's resume some of the stuff he does for Apple sounds very routine and just a small part of a long complicated process to produce iPhones/Apple watches/Apple computers. It is probably very difficult, but not something that would make headlines or be interesting to talk about at dinner parties. But of course Apple pays him graciously to make sure these small details run smoothly, just as a hedge fund will pay coders handsomely for making sure a trading algorithm is reliable even if it may not be a novel mathematical theorem.
DeleteI guess I have to adjust my expectations a lot if I were to leave for industry. But I'm in America now, not Sg, where the industry jobs actually pay at least double what academia pays. Sg is a weird place where average government jobs pay better than average non-government jobs. It's always the reverse everywhere else. This is where another thing school doesn't teach comes into play, good social skills so I can ask others who've been in the same position before and succeeded. Thanks for the advice!
People with autism cannot view the world through lens other than their own. I don't know what to tell except to keep at it.
ReplyDeleteHere's the thing Di - I somehow grew out of it, there wasn't an Eureka moment whereby I suddenly solved it like trying to figure out a complex maths problem. I was freakishly autistic when I was my nephew's age and I am a much better adjusted adult now. I suppose there's a part of me that just wants to help him along that process but there's only so much I can do - he has to figure a lot of it out himself.
DeleteYes, he has to experience his own epiphany. You can only nudge him along. You cannot hurry his a-ha moment. I did not get a lot of math concepts until university.
DeleteI know, as an uncle, I do want to help of course but there's only so much I can do at the end of the day - it is my nephew's life and the ball is in his court.
DeleteIn an education system that based on fundamental of mathematics, communication and human relationship have been missed out. If you had already tried talking it out with your nephew but with little progress, 2nd help would be coming from self-reading books.
ReplyDeleteI would suggest reading Plato's Dialogues to improve on effective communication, exchanging and understanding other people ideas and point of view.
Alfred Adler's "What life should mean to you" may enlighten him the idea of starting to build successful relationship with others.
I can't recall of you mentioning about other kids so I would supposed him being a single child. In a family with mummy working over long hours with little energy left for the child plus super grandparents, turning into a quiet kid is expected.
And Alex, my niece also 18 this year and taking A level just as the same for your nephew. I pass her my one dollar 2nd hand book "Sophia world" four years ago when she was 14 in Sec Two. That was her first book reading outside school text. We met again this chinese new year. We interacted and i realised she is also seeking help for her economics studies and general paper. Her school work is ahead of her peers, when being asked, she replied she had help from a Philosopher named Sophia.
I did not went for junior college. For my ACCA professional accounting exams, I wrote whatever I have in my mind for theory question, my poor English and my messy answer still enabled me at last more than 60 marks. It is a point based marking system. I did not write in proper structured way. In other words, they give me the points when i write correct answers but for wrong answers they are not being penalised. So i write at ease. I recall O level also point based marking system. Not sure how A level mark their papers.
Thanks for your comment. I'm afraid my nephew doesn't read books at all - I could give it to him but I doubt he would actually pick up the book to read it. And even if he did, I really don't know if he would understand the book (you may be overestimating his intellectual abilities at this stage). Yes he is a single child. I really don't believe that simply making him read Sohpie's World would change anything. The sad truth is that intelligence is nothing short of a lottery, a genetic lottery and you're either born stupid or intelligent: you can't cure stupidity with a book, that's a highly unrealistic approach. It is what it is, I believe that you can still train a person with lower abilities to try to accomplish tasks like scoring well in an exam, but make no mistake, it will involve a LOT of very hard work - such as the way I spend hours tutoring him. Simply giving him a book instead of investing all that hard work is completely unrealistic and actually pretty lazy. I am prepared to be a good uncle and teacher with my nephew, you know the saying, "if you want something done properly, do it yourself." That's why I am playing the part of his teacher rather than expecting someone else to deliver a miracle.
DeleteMy nephew is failing economics right now for a simple reason: there is a limited amount of time during an exam (like 2 hours) and if you spend all of that 2 hours answering the question they have asked on the paper, then perhaps you have some chance of getting a decent grade. But in his case, he suffers from reading comprehension failure - he doesn't read the question and simply vomits out stuff that he has memorized from the textbook and scores ZERO for the questions because he is not answering the questions. You get ZERO for simply coping out everything you have memorized from the textbook. Which is fair enough, teacher should fail students who simply copy out chunks from the textbook - at A levels you're supposed to demonstrate a good understanding of the complex theories by answering these difficult questions. It is more than just a 'memory test' to see who has memorized the textbook. This is why A levels economics is very difficult - nobody said it was easy, but my nephew isn't getting the help he needs at school and I seem to be the only person capable of helping him through this process.
He is failing his exams because he is just writing a lot - like he is copying out massive chunks from his textbook - without answering the question and for that, you get a big fat ZERO. You can't just do that and hope to score a few points - you will run out of time because it is impossible to copy out the entire textbook in 2 hours in an exam, and even if you did somehow managed to write out the entire textbook, the correct answer is not in the textbook and you will still score a zero. All I can say is that you've grossly underestimated how difficult the A level economics exam is - it is not an exam that one can get through purely by memorizing the textbook. Oh my nephew is good at memorizing his textbook, but that's just not good enough for his A levels exams - he needs to demonstrate critical thinking skills, problem solving skills and analyse complex problems.
It seem he needs access to more knowledge and starts using his rationale to read and answer to the question. How about his ability in Math and English?
DeleteMath is correlative positive related to logic and reasoning.
English would be his reading and understanding of the question. (I failed badly reading and understand A level questions, when some of the words and vocabulary are too tough for me)
You stated comprehension failure. Does it means just similar as my inability in English. 根本不知道那个字的意思 对那个字的诠释理解运用不足 所以也不知道他在问什么 以他的年龄只能选择死背课本 所以您才会选择帮助他 应该先思考问题是什么 然后才给于正确解答
Memorising from textbook and answer question is a big NO. I only did that during secondary three geography class tests. Spending at least three hours before sleeping at night and memorise for a 20 minutes test is awful pain and hurting. I feel sorry for your nephew.
Gather of knowledge in your brain is through a collective long period of time and they become part of you, accessible when you starts thinking.
My niece had problems in poor English and lack of knowledge.
I could only help her with the knowledge related her home work given question but not for the question during her exam. China using of massive resources for the past few decades and a reduction in the future. Many adults also have no ideas about it less to say for a 18 years old school kid.
Life is a tough road, your nephew is lucky to have you to help him out.
https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/give-those-with-autism-chance-to-serve-ns
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Hi there, I just want to make it very clear to everyone what my family's stance is on this: we want my nephew to serve NS. 100% he will do it, there has NEVER been any attempt whatsoever to try to get him any kind of exemption. Ironically, different members of the family have different reasons why they want him to do NS. Most of my family are just plain exasperated with his autism - like we have tried everything. We have sent him for expensive therapy and seen zero improvement. We have tried being super nice, we have tried being super strict like we have tried EVERYTHING and nothing seems to work - so there's this hope that he would somehow benefit from the experience because someone else may have a different approach to try change his mindset. As for myself, I did grow up a lot in my time in NS and I've made it very clear, that's me taking full credit for the way I handled a difficult situation - I got no help along the way, but I managed to make sense of the world around me and I figured a lot out on my own. Regardless, I emerged from NS a wiser adult despite having nothing good to say about the whole SAF system. And of course, my PAP supporting parents think that NS is the best thing for my nephew as the government can do no wrong, so they trust the SAF 100% with their only grandson.
DeleteSo I make it 100% clear to you: my nephew has had his pre-enlistment medical check up, he has done all the paperwork, he is 100% prepared and ready to serve his full NS obligation - we have NOT made any attempt whatsoever to get him any kind of exemption because of his autism. You may argue that this is a wrong decision but this is not a topic for debate, but a private matter for my family to decide and we have decided that my nephew has to serve NS like everyone else and that it will (probably) be a good experience for him in the long run.
I don't want to hear any further suggestion that I can get my nephew exemption - please consider it case closed as I am informing you formally that he is 100% serving his NS obligations and we are not seeking exemption, that we have NEVER EVER even considered seeking exemption. Case closed. I can't make it any clearer.
For better or for worse, NS is the first instance where your nephew be forced outside of his comfort zone. With all the interventions you've done, I'm positive he has learn the skills for him to adapt, and hopefully sooner rather than later.
ReplyDeleteExactly. It is for that reason that I am the person who is most for him serving NS in my family. Ironically of course, having been through NS, I am also the one who has the lowest opinion of the SAF and the whole NS system. I am guessing that you have been through NS and understand exactly what I am thinking. Let me give you an example of how my family always try to protect him and keep him in his comfort zone (but that completely fails him when it comes to confronting the challenges of the real world). You know I am tutoring him in A level economics and he is really struggling. So my sister asked me to instead teach him the equivalent of primary school level economics, a much, much simpler syllabus aimed at 10 year olds rather than something for A levels, so he can understand and cope. And I'm like, are you taking the piss? What exam are you preparing him for? A levels or PSLE? He took his PSLE a long time ago and that's history, but my sister is like, "it breaks my heart when I see him cry when he doesn't understand the A level syllabus." And I'm like tough shit, uncle Alex needs to show some tough love by dragging him kicking and screaming through the A level syllabus. What if I gave him maths tutorial and asked him questions like "solve 1 + 2 = ?" He would get all the answers right with a big smile on his face but how the hell is that going to help him get through his A level exams then?
DeleteThe adults in my family are protective of him, I get it, that's their way of showing they care - however, I actually believe that it will really, really benefit my nephew to be put in an environment where my family have absolutely zero control and cannot intervene in anyway whatsoever: that's when he will truly grow up. Of course he will suffer along the way but it is a necessary evil.
I couldn't agree more. Sometimes, the best way to learn is through suffering (pain), and you can't be truly successful without experiencing failures. Been through NS and seen all sorts of characters. Social skills are everything. It's ok to think differently but act like everyone else (follow instructions) and you will be fine. No doubt NS will be a massive test for your nephew, and good to check in with him regularly to see how he is coping, but the experience will force him to grow up
ReplyDeleteThanks for acknowledging my somewhat unusual POV. Whilst I didn't have a good experience during my NS, I do feel that it will be a great learning experience for my nephew simply by dragging him out of his comfort zone and forcing him to grow up. Some people think that I am either a) a monster who wishes to see him learn the hard way or b) a PAP loving Singaporean who loves the SAF - I am neither in fact, but I do think that given the circumstances, my nephew will actually benefit from NS. Fingers crossed, I hope for the best (whilst expecting the worst).
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