I don't want to turn this into an attack on KD - the world is full of stupid idiots like that and I can't cure people of their stupidity by picking a fight with them. Instead, I want to try to find out why some Singaporean men are really struggling with the concept of consent when it comes to sex. After all, the way I see it, heterosexual sex is perfectly legal in Singapore (let's leave the issue of S377A and gay sex out of this article for now - that's another issue for another day), so if young men like KD have a high sex and want to have sex with a lot of women, then there's nothing to stop him from having loads of sex with loads of women. If he is rich and attractive, then he can find loads of women who will be willing to have sex with him. And even if he is ugly and poor, then he can still find a consenting woman in the form of a prostitute and that consent is bought at a price. What I found very disturbing is that people like KD seem to neglect the important function of consent during any kind of sexual encounter - so even if they do meet a woman who is willing to give consent, men like KD would be crap lovers if they are only caring about their pleasure rather than being considerate to the lady. Likewise, it is ridiculous that some men would indulge in activities like upskirting or voyeurism (such as in the case of Monica Baey, when Nicholas Lim Jun Kai filmed her having a shower) - how is that an alternative to actually having sex with a consensual human being? Why are the young men of Singapore today so warped then? What has gone wrong?
The problem stems from the total lack of any proper sex education - my parents for example didn't give me any sex education. Well, let's put it this way, if my parents don't speak French, then they can't teach me how to speak French. Their default stance was, "don't have sex before marriage, otherwise you will die from sexually transmitted diseases." Heck, my parents are not educated, so this is just one of many areas in life they don't know anything about. So in their eyes, all sex outside marriage is wrong and even within marriage, sex should be something done behind closed doors, well hidden away from the rest of the world. So if we're in a situation where they consider all sex being completely taboo and forbidden, then how are young people going to learn the difference between healthy, consensual sexual relationships and when a sexual predator imposes himself on a woman without consent? The problem is that people like my parents would view the latter as just as sinful and wrong as the former when really, there's a huge difference once you look at the function of consent during sex. So the kind of approach that my parents took would only work if I would simply obey and do as I was told - but life is never that straight forward. Instead, I thought, no thanks, you're uneducated, autistic and stupid, why the hell should I listen to you? I'm far more intelligent than the two of you put together for crying out aloud, I'll figure this out for myself and rely on my own judgement instead of listening to you. Fortunately, I have met other intelligent adults along the way who did help nurture and educate me along the way - but in the case of KD, it is quite possible that his parents were useless in this aspect and he is simply not intelligent enough to figure this out for himself. Thus in this case, do you blame KD, his parents or do you condemn the whole bloody family?
If our parents are not even willing to acknowledge the fact that many young people are sexually active and having sex outside marriage, then they are not even in a position to start a sensible conversation about sexual consent with their children. They'll probably just tell their children that they must abstain from all sex until marriage (and then even after that, sex is only for the purpose of procreation and not carnal pleasure). That is a hideously stupid approach of course because plenty of young people in Singapore are sexually active these days and their parents are pretending it is not happening - I certainly was one of them in my younger days, my parents didn't want to know and I didn't want to tell them, so they were oblivious to the fact that I had become sexually active in my teenage years. Is that good parenting? Of course not, my parents were so utterly useless and clueless as parents in so many aspects. The fact is young people can become sexually active if they can find someone willing to have sex with them, they can indeed have a lot of sex with a lot of people if they are able to find a lot of willing parties to have sex with them all. And even if you're unattractive, then you can always buy sex from a prostitute whereby consent is negotiated and given upon the agreement of the right price. That then becomes a financial or business transaction with the prostitute, but nonetheless once you pay up, she will give you the consent you need for intercourse to happen.You see, unlike my parents, I'm not anti-sex: please go ahead and have as much sex as you like as it's your right to do so. I just strongly believe that all sex ought to be totally consensual.
Let me use alcohol as an analogy - the consumption of alcohol is legal in most countries and indeed in places like the UK, the government runs plenty of education campaigns regularly to tackle issues like drinking in moderation and drink driving. So the government is not trying to stop people from drinking alcohol, they are just trying to modify their behaviour to make them consume alcohol in a more responsible manner so they can reduce the harm done. However there are countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan where alcohol is completely banned under strict Islamic law, yet you know that there is a huge black market for alcohol in these countries, smuggled across the border from countries where alcohol is legal and some people are indeed still drinking illicitly in those countries and they have all kinds of other problems: there are cases of people dying of poisoning when they end up drinking contaminated alcohol in the absence of any kind of quality control in the black market to far more irresponsible behaviour when it comes to drinking without moderation and drink driving. The medical professionals in these countries know that there is a problem with alcohol consumption of course, but since their conservation Muslim governments have completely outlawed alcohol in any shape or form, there's absolutely nothing the medical professionals can do to even initiate a sensible conversation about the responsible consumption of alcohol and modifying the behaviour of the people who do drink alcohol in their countries. Well that's the same problem in Singapore - if parents won't even acknowledge the fact that their children are sexually active, how are they supposed to even start talking about issues like consent; along with STDs, relationships and pregnancy prevention?
I remember this classic line from Donna in Beverley Hills 90210 way back in the 1990s. She used a swimming pool analogy to talk about sex - she compared sex to having a swimming pool in your backyard (these are rich Americans). A concerned parent may worry about their children drowning in the pool, so you can tell your children not to go into the water, you can even build a fence around the pool but if you know that your children are going to eventually get into the pool one way or another, should you at least teach your children how to swim? And that passionate speech was given when Donna stood up to her mother when her mother was preaching abstinence - ooh, I even found that clip on Youtube - I can't embed it here because Blogger won't let me but here's the link for it on Youtube. That was from a generation ago, from when I was a teenager myself in the early 1990s and a generation on, Donna's speech on sex and condoms is still as valid today as so many parents are still absolutely clueless when it comes to teaching their children about vital issues around sex, such as consent. A lot of Singaporeans merely rolled their eyes when they heard this line in the programme because the thought of Singaporean parents talking about sex with their children is just unthinkable, but if teenagers in Singapore are happily watching hardcore porn online whilst their parents are blissfully looking the other way because they are just too embarrassed to talk about sex, we are now seeing the manifestation of this kind of bad parenting in the form of people like Nicholas Lim and KD, who don't seem to understand the concept of consent. To start discussing the concept of consent, we have to start talking about sex and that's something that many of these clueless Singaporean parents are unable to do simply because they don't even have the right social skills to be good parents in the first place.
Many Singaporean parents simply expect us to figure difficult issues out when we get older - they seem to assume that a good education is all we need in order to learn how to figure stuff out but that is really expecting a lot from our teachers. After all, the teachers are merely there to get you through an exam in that subject, they are not really there to nurture you as young adults - that's the job of the parents but sadly, so many Singaporean parents are so inept and useless at parenting they are hoping that the teachers will step in and fill in the huge gaps they have left. For example, I shook my head in despair when I read about Singaporean parents expecting lecturers at university to teach their inept kids "how to present and speak confidently" - holy fuck. Where do I even begin? The ability to speak eloquently and articulate yourself with confidence starts at a very early age: infants need to be nurtured in an environment where they are encouraged to speak up, where they are engaged by a mix of adults and peers to develop their social skills. Instead, what has happened is this: Singaporean parents are working extremely long hours, leaving childcare mostly to maids or leaving the kids to fend for themselves. Devoid of human interaction, these kids turn to their mobile phones, tablets and laptops to passively consume entertainment, watching videos or playing computer games. After years of neglect, these shitty Singaporeans somehow expect the university lecturers to perform a miracle and fix their children's complete lack of social skills? The teacher has every right to say, I'm just a teacher, I teach - I'm not here to do your job: you need to fulfill your responsibilities as a parent. If you have been a lousy, neglectful parent, don't expect me to fix that problem. I'm just a teacher, not a magician. It seems that many parents expect the schools or government to take over the responsibility of sex education for their children as well but of course, the schools are not doing it so the issue falls through the cracks.
So, allow me to give you an insight about what actually happens in Singapore - now this case study is from many years ago but it is reliable as it involves my mother. I remember a year when she taught a primary 6 class and she was given the responsibility to explain to the girls in the class what would happen when they got their periods, how to use a tampon or sanitary pad and what was happening to their bodies. The lesson was supposed to cover a range of issues surrounding puberty and how they would be affected by this transition both physically and emotionally. The girls in the class were meant to be taken aside for that talk with a female teacher whilst the boys were supposed to be given the male version of that talk by a male teacher. Except of course, none of that ever happened - my mother defaulted to the fact that this was the job of the parents, not the teacher as the conversation involved intimate details of the children's bodily functions. I even confronted her about it as I felt she was letting down her students and she merely shrugged her shoulders and said, "don't be silly lah - none of the other teachers in the school are doing it, I don't want to be the only one to talk to my students about sex." Now if the teacher refuses to touch a topic like that and the parents are under the impression that this is being taken care of in the schools, then this falls through the cracks and the children are the victims because they are deprived of a valuable, important lesson. So if nobody is actually teaching young people about even the most basic, biological functions about sex, they are learning about issues like relationships, sexual health and consent from the internet mostly through porn but also through movies and TV, that is why things have gone very wrong.
The problem with letting young people learn about sex from porn is that consent is never featured in porn - the porn stars participating in the porn film are always willing and happy to have sex. You are presented with a vision of beautiful porn stars who are always up for it, where consent is never an issue. But of course, porn is there for a purpose: it is there to present an idealized version of how good sex can be, rather than how wrong things can go during sex if not performed well. An analogy I would use is cooking programmes or videos on Youtube - let's take the video below for example, we are treated to a master class as to how to create a perfect Black Forest cake. We expect the baker presenting the video to show us exactly how to do it to get the perfect result, we're not after the bloopers to see how things could go wrong whilst trying to make a cake. This is because we're hopping that in following this recipe step by step, we too can create that beautiful perfect cake in our own kitchen when in reality, we usually do make some mistakes when trying to bake a cake as we're not experienced bakers. Many people actually take that same approach to porn: the issue of consent is never featured in the film, it is a forgone conclusion and if that's your own source of information for your sexual education, you're missing a huge part of the equation. But of course, porn was never created to be a substitute for quality sex education, so it is both unfair and unrealistic to criticize porn for not highlighting this aspect of sexual relationships. Porn is simply there to entertain adults who like porn - it is not there to educate you about sex, that is your parents' job.
Furthermore, there's another part of consent which plays an important role in having a healthy self-esteem. If you ask someone to have sex with you and the answer is 'yes', then that's a massive vote of confidence for you as this person does find you sexually appealing enough to want to have sex with you. After all, if someone turns you down for sex, then that means that they find you ugly and unattractive. However, we're dealing with a younger generation with extremely poor social skills and don't quite know how to engage people in real life, never mind ask someone to have sex with them. It is a risky double edged sword which can either boost or dent your self-confidence, depending on the outcome of whether or not they are successful or rejected when they seek sexual partners. So for some of them, actually asking someone to have sex is way too difficult for them - they don't have the social skills, they don't know how to be charming, they don't know how to seduce someone they fancy, they are pretty much useless in that department and they know that. Because they fear the inevitable rejection they will get if they ask the most beautiful girl they know for sex, they start to think about ways to somehow gain sexual gratification whilst circumventing the tricky issue of consent. Fortunately, most of them will just turn to porn on the internet as a means to an end, but in the case of Nicholas Lim and KD, they seem to think that they can somehow get what they want without the consent of the woman through voyeurism. This is disturbing on so many levels - the normal response one would offer such guys is to teach them how to improve their self image: this means a crash course in fashion, personal hygiene and social skills. Hopefully, this would improve the way they come across when they are to procure consent, to make sex with them a more attractive proposition. But if there is nobody there to help them with these aspects of their lives, then they are doomed forever to be single, undesired and unloved.
It does take a fairly large dose of self-confidence to be able to seek this kind of vote of confidence of course. Look, I don't pretend to be good looking, I'm a bald 43 year old middle aged man way past his prime, yet I regularly post selfies on my Instagram account and whilst I do generally judge how well liked my photos are from the number of likes I get, I also get a lot of personal messages from people on Instagram and the bottom line is that I love the way social media has allowed me to feel beautiful and loved when I get so much positive feedback and compliments each time I post something on Instagram. The fact is Instagram is a platform where you fish for compliments and getting nice feedback certainly makes us feelgood and want to continue doing it. Sure, I may get a small amount of negative feedback but thankfully that doesn't happen very often. Now, there's a paradox here: we do live in a society which normally disapproves of excessive vanity (the Hokkien word of it is hiau2) but by the same token, just look at anything from music videos to movies to the ads in our newspapers - we do appreciate beautiful people, we tend to mostly see images of beautiful people in media whilst fat, old or ugly people are mostly rendered invisible. Take the medium of K-pop music videos for example, Psy was the one exception being somewhat chubby middle aged man in a world populated exclusively by young and beautiful singers with perfect bodies and flawless skin. So if you are indeed 'ugly' for whatever reason, then the message that social media is sending you is this: you don't have the right to be seen, you're invisible. You may only post pictures of flowers, sunsets and cute puppies on Instagram but if you dare to post a selfie, you'll only be ridiculed by haters from all over the world. So what happens to these people then when they feel the need for love or sex? What can they do then?
There is a long-running controversial C4 TV series here in the UK called 'Undateables', it is already into its tenth season - the cast include people with a condition that makes it hard for them to get a date be it a physical disfigurement, a disability or just severely autistic people with extremely poor social skills. The TV series has offended a lot of people because the viewers feel that the show is exploiting and even humiliating the people who take part in the show, but others feel that without the help of the professionals involved in the programme, these people might never ever have the confidence to even go on a date, never mind find love or sex. But at the end of the day, the aim of the show is not to make fun of the participants but to help them find love and get into a relationship. Of course, the casting of the programme is somewhat controversial of course because nobody likes to be labeled 'undateable' and it has offended many, but at the end of the day, it does reinforce a very important principle about consent. That if you want someone to like you enough to have sex with you, to love you and want to have a relationship with you, then you have to make yourself appealing and attractive enough to them and this programme does go a long way in helping people do just that. The fact is if Singaporean men can actually get some help in terms of their poor social skills, then they would go a long way in terms of rectify the problematic situation when it comes to finding love and sex - but even if help was available, you know the saying: you can bring a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Would Singaporean men with very poor social skills be willing to participate in a programme like the Undateables to get the help they need to find love and sex?
So what we are seeing in Singapore is a combination of a woeful lack of proper sex education and social skills affecting young men, the effect this combination has on their ability to relate to women is very toxic - for starters, they often come across as autistic without any ability to empathize, unable to even try to see things from a woman's point of view. I have come across a few Singaporean men making this claim, that Nicholas Lim's crime isn't that serious because he didn't "harm" Monica Baey in any tangible way, it was not like she was raped - he didn't even lay a finger on her and he merely saw her naked (be it with his own eyes or through his mobile phone). To these people, I would challenge them: how would you like to be filmed naked whilst showering, then for the footage to be uploaded onto many gay porn sites around the world to have millions of people see that video - to probably have to read the comments of people making fun of every aspect of their imperfect bodies right down to the size of their tiny penises. The kind of psychological damage that this can do to a person is immense, it is a very extreme form of cyber bullying. Of course, no one wants to be subject to that - goodness me, even when I post pictures on my Instagram, I delete the unflattering photos and am careful about what I do post. It is a woman's right to decide whom she wants to show her body to her and under what circumstances - the men who ignore the psychological harm they inflict on a woman by violating her privacy in this manner are merely seeing it from their point of view, they unfortunately totally incapable of placing themselves in the shoes on the woman to see things from her point of view. Am I surprised that young men in Singapore have such poor social skills? No. This is why we need much stronger laws to protect Singaporean women in this context if they are going to have to live amongst such men devoid of any basic social skills - Nicholas Lim should have been jailed and caned to send a clear message.
Thus how safe women feel in society depends a lot on whether there is an effective deterrent in terms of harsh punishments for those who do violate the privacy and/or modesty of women - that's why so many of us recognize the need to punish people like Nicholas Lim extremely severely because it is goes way beyond this specific case: making an example of Nicholas Lim would go a long way in deterring other men from even thinking about trying what he did. If you're thinking that this is a problem that can be tackled and solved through education, then you're only deceiving yourself - we are in this situation in the first place where Singaporean men are struggling to understand the concept of sexual consent because they have such incredibly poor social skills. There was perhaps a time a few decades ago when we could have created a better society where men were taught to respect women and develop better social skills, but that ship has sailed a very long time ago. This is a much wider issue that goes way beyond protecting women from voyeurs - the state needs to recognize the gravity of the problem and how dire the situation is when it comes to basic social skills amongst young men in Singapore. This is why the current situation is highly unsatisfactory for a lot of Singaporeans (both men and women) who feel that not enough is done to send a message to men who think that there is little wrong with what Nicholas Lim did - that's why it is necessary to send the only message that will resonate with them: a threat of a very long jail sentence along with caning. If sacrificing Nicholas Lim's future will allow Singapore's women to feel a lot safer, then I say, lock him up and I will personally throw that key into the Mariana Trench.(See the video below.)
In conclusion, whilst we're easily horrified by the way so many Singaporean men have totally failed to understand the concept of consent during sex, this is but a symptom of a much bigger problem - that of a younger generation having extremely poor social skills, having been brought up with parents who are equally clueless about parenting. We can bitch about how socially inept Singaporean men are when it comes to social skills, but what is even worse is the lack of action on the part of Singaporean authorities to enforce laws in a way to keep women in Singapore safe in this context. So what do you think? Have I been way to harsh on Singaporean men or am I merely scraping the surface when it comes to attitudes towards women in Singapore? Do Singaporean men deserve to be condemned or are we dealing with just a small number idiots online who fail to show even the most basic social skills when it comes to respecting women? What is the root cause of the problem and what is the best way ahead for us to try to make sense of this? What would you like to see happen in the Nicholas Lim case - has justice been served? Do leave a comment below, many thanks for reading.
Singaporeans and sex? That's an odd pairing. Sex is such a taboo. Singapore women play hard to get in a passive-aggressive way. They act coy unless they are the SPGs out to snare an angmoh to parade around town like a Prada purse. Having said that, "No" means no! It doesn't matter whether the man feels he's been misled or given mixed signals. Even during the act of coitus, both parties should respect the "No" message. How much simpler could that be? "No" means no. Period. As for that reader who said voyeurism is harmless, and men are naturally inclined to want to look … Well, I don't know how he was brought up, but he reminds me of an uneducated village idiot who preys on women when they are going to the well for water or beating laundry against the rocks by the river. In other words, an ill-bred, uninformed, unsophisticated pervert.
Hi Di. I think you're making a sweeping statement about 'Singaporean women' - I'm only saying this because I don't think anyone can make generalization like that about any gender from any country, every woman is an individual and will make up her own mind on the issue. Having said that, of course there are major cultural factors that will influence the way she feels about the issue. Having said that, Singaporeans women are conditioned to say no to sex because of their upbringing - that reflects the conservative upbringing they would have had and saying yes to sex is an act of rebellion against everything you were brought up to believe by your parents. I think it is somewhat unfair to then associate this with being passive-aggressive or being coy.
As for LR Singapore who thinks voyeurism is harmless - there's a huge difference between looking at a lady in public (say walking down the street, on the bus, in a supermarket, in a restaurant - which I agree is fairly harmless since this is in a public space), but to peep at her in the toilet or the showers is crossing the line. Surely anyone with a basic sense of right and wrong will know there's a huge difference between the two scenarios above that I have just described - if you really wanna look at naked women, there's plenty of porn on the internet for you to do so in the privacy of your room without disturbing any innocent women.
I think you will find that things are evolving and changing with the younger generation of Singapore - Singapore is a society which is always evolving and changing and the impact of the internet on the younger generation of women is huge.
Hi LIFT, Wow as usual you found an original and incredibly enjoyable-to-read angle for covering this topic. Agree with everything you said about parenting. BUT... I actually don't buy your theory that Nicholas Lim has poor social skills or that he was too "stupid" to rise above poor parenting. He is probably just a lousy person with a deeply flawed character, a "bad egg" who was looking for cheap thrills and wanted to test the system to see whether he would get away with what he did. I mean, he had a girlfriend whom he was visiting at the hostel when he committed the crime of opportunity. So his social skills can't be that bad (I didn't have a girlfriend until I had a job). And, he was studying Engineering in NUS, which is quite a difficult course to get into (I was in Arts). So basically he is smarter than me and he has better social skills, yet he did something which it never even crossed my mind to do (I lived in the hostel at NUS too, a few decades ago). Still, you really hit the nail on the head with your analysis of people like KD (and the other reader who left an earlier comment on your blog).
1. My father is extremely autistic, yet somehow he got married and had children - why? He simply found a woman who had even poorer social skills than him, so they somehow formed this relationship between two extremely autistic people. I just can't imagine an autistic person like my dad (or my mother for that matter) getting into a relationship with someone who isn't also autistic because they would just drive the other party nuts with their behaviour. So Nicholas Lim has a girlfriend - let's not jump to any conclusions until you see what kind of person she is, perhaps she's fat and ugly, perhaps she's completely autistic and a weirdo - who knows. All I am saying is that if you want a relationship or sex, it's not hard: all you have to do is keep lowering your standards and then eventually you will find someone desperate enough to say yes. So you're making a lot of assumptions about "oh he has a girlfriend therefore blah blah blah social skills" - I say, don't assume until you've seen her, then you can assume. Maybe he just really lowered his standards (ref my parents). Tragic but true, nobody needs to be alone forever, they just need to lower their standards.
2. A lot of us 'figure important issues out' on our own as teenagers and young adults in the absence of good parenting - but that's not a straight forward process. I would say that throwing me into NS did me a lot of good in that I was thrown in the deep end of the pool and forced to develop my social skills quickly in that environment. However, there's no guarantee that would work - I have seen some guys with poor social skills suffer a lot or even commit suicide during NS because they just couldn't develop the requisite social skills fast enough and this isn't even about intelligence per se. The kind of intelligence needed to do well in an A level exam is quite different from that to try to develop social skills.
Sure, it would be convenient to excuse criminals for their behaviour by finding excuses for them from low IQ, not knowing the difference between right and wrong, having had a tough or bad childhood, bad parents etc - but of course, you're also right that there are highly intelligent bad eggs who are deeply flawed and immoral who do bad things to people, they are just malicious, immoral, evil and profoundly wicked.
And that's the thing I worries me most about my nephew - he's so naive. He doesn't understand that people can be profoundly wicked out there, the poor kid has been bullied a lot in school, yet he doesn't seem to understand that concept of people simply being evil. I remember discussing with him an incident on a ferry boat when a woman was extremely rude to the person working there and he came up with a really naive response like "she is setting a bad example for the other children there". And I was like, maybe she is just plain evil and she doesn't give a fuck about the impact of her actions on others around her. Sigh. How do we prepare our children for a world full of bad eggs out there?
I am already being extremely kind in calling my parents autistic.
Why? Because it gives them a get out of jail free card.
My parents were awful in every single way as parents, they were totally useless, clueless and abusive - here's how my parents worked, "it will take me 60 seconds to explain to you why I want you to do this, but probably 2 or 3 seconds to hit you across the head, so I will choose to hit you as it is faster."
They were just fucking awful and abusive. That's why I don't speak to them today - we have no relationship. If they die tomorrow, I won't even feel sad or cancel my holiday plans. I'll be in a beautiful ancient fort somewhere in the Balkans thinking, my dad had no desire to see the world - I'm doing everything he never let me do as a child by traveling the world.
You know the concept of having an MC in Singapore? Once you have a medical certificate, you're exempt ... excused, on medical grounds. I'm letting my parents off the hook because of their autism - what is the alternative then? Cos the alternative is that they're evil, wicked and rotten to the core - or bad eggs as we have said. My parents were fucking awful parents - that's all in the past, we can't change how fucking awful they were. The only thing I have control over now is the explanation - were they like that because they were severely autistic or because they are just plain rotten, evil, wicked people?
I am thus being kind in choosing the former and not the latter. It allows me to sleep better at night. I am giving them the MC.
PS. You have no idea how fucking awful my childhood was. Ever wondered how a guy can just say, fuck it, I'm moving 8 time zones away and never speaking to my parents again? A lot of people will blame the child in this case for being selfish, but in my case, each time my parents abused me, I started dreaming from a very young age (like 4 or 5 years old) of living on the other side of the world as far away from my parents as possible.
Wow. Sorry to have stirred up so much emotions and resentment. I have not been in your shoes and I cannot fully grasp the torment that you have been through.
However, given your achievements today and that you lead a pretty admirable life. Would you still say you rather not have been born to have been through that childhood?
I guess what I'm saying is how much should we be thankful to our parents just for the act of birth? Or should we just view it as a consequence of them fucking and that our presence is as natural as the sun rising everyday.
Tough one Stu Jin. I have seen a lot of damaged young people who have turned out really messed up because their neglectful parents didn't do a good job bringing them up. Some of them manage to rise above their tough start in life and pick themselves up - others end up even more messed up than their parents.
I could have truly gone either way. I did well in life in spite of my parents, rather than because of my parents - that's why I feel it is so necessary to take all the credit and deny them any.
Here's the thing about my parents - they didn't know why they heck they wanted children, all they knew was that they had to get married and have kids, not just girls but you must have at least a boy to carry on the family name. So they never ever wanted three kids but the first two were girls (and I have two elder sisters) and they would have kept going until they got a boy. But when I was born they were like, oh shit, now what? I have to be a parent?
Stupid people don't thinks things through - they just follow the rules and do what others want them to do whether or not it is right for them.
Hi Lift, your post is quite accurate in terms of how I was brought up, basically spent my free time watching tvb dramas and also movies, which portrayed a lot of sexual scenes and yes I did not have any proper sex education. I have never taught the ideas of consent regardless of the behaviour of the women. I have a lot to learn on this and thanks for this post. I will try to be a better person.
Hi LR. Did it occur to you that I had zero sex education as well? Not from the schools, not from my parents. However, I was determined not to let my poor start in life affect be becoming a better person as an adult. My parents were ignorant, do you know what is the cure for ignorance? Knowledge. I am a learner, I am always happy to learn from people, from women, from people who are smarter than me - there is so much knowledge out there for us about every topic under the sun and if anything, I'm glad I've opened up a conversation here about the topic of consent for us to all start learning about seeing things from another person's point of view.
LR, you have GOT to start seeing things from another person's point of view, you have got to STOP imagining that your point of view is the only one that matters. In some cases, you have got to respect the other person's point of view because the issue affects them more than you - you're a man, they are women, voyeurism in this case affects women more than men, so shut the fuck up because you have a penis and you jolly well respectfully listen to what the women have to say because your opinions are not as important as theirs and you jolly well learn to respect that or people are going to think you're a fucking idiotic dickhead with criminal tendencies and that you belong in a jail cell, not in a civil society.
So please, humbly accept that you need to SHUT THE FUCK UP and listen to women in this case and accept that your opinion is not valid at all - only the women's opinions are. There are times in life when you're not entitled to an opinion and the only default stance is to shut up and listen - this is one of those times LR. So shut up, listen and learn.
Thank you. I am very passionate about this. I was incensed when I first read about the Monica Baey case and I was waiting for the right angle to come along for me to do the topic justice.
I like how you managed to weave every topic into an underhand insult about your parents.
I had no sex education during Sec school not sure about the current generation. But my parents didn't do the talk either and I forgot how I found out about everything. Most likely the internet since porn doesn't talk about STDs, pregnancy and reproductive organs.
I think my parents' generation were useless at this but I do know that my sister is at least doing a much better job with my nephew. She has a much closer relationship with him so he can go to her with any question he has about sexual relationships and she is in a position to advice him in a very well-informed manner. Remember what I said about, if my parents can't speak French, then they can't teach me French? Well the same applies to sex education. I'm wondering if my sister though is the exception or the norm with the current batch of parents who are of our generation - have things improved a lot in one generation or not enough?
I know from experience our generation are more knowledgeable about sex. But as for educating their young, most still leave it to the schools which don't teach much more than abstinence. They are still too shy, disgusted, religious holdups, etc to teach sex due to the conservative mindset and "Asian values".
I am thinking about the death of Benjamin Lim, the young boy who committed suicide after molesting a girl. I hazard a guess that his parents never taught him how to behave around girls and about sex. This is a common problem in Singapore, many parents being conservative have never talked about sex and appropriate behavior around the opposite sex, they seem to think that the boys will figure it out magically on their own. Unfortunately that is not the case...
If I may point out, I think in the case of Lim, he was accused of molesting a girl but never proven because he killed himself. So we don't actually know what happened, if he really did do anything and if so, what he did.
But let me point something out. Analogy time: when I studied French, my parents couldn't help me with my homework, couldn't teach me new words, they couldn't do anything at all for a simple reason - they don't speak French. Hence by that same token, my parents couldn't teach me social skills because they have ZERO social skills. Never mind sex and relationships, they don't even have social skills to have normal, simple conversations like adults. I recently wrote in a piece that talking to my mother is like talking to a 7 year old autistic child. I swear that's how bad the situation is.
So may I postulate that sometimes, it is not a case of "I have all these secrets about love and relationships but I am not going to teach you until you're 18" - but rather, it's more like my parents being unable to help me with my French homework. My parents couldn't teach me French nor social skills because they were incapable of either.
Singaporeans and sex? That's an odd pairing. Sex is such a taboo. Singapore women play hard to get in a passive-aggressive way. They act coy unless they are the SPGs out to snare an angmoh to parade around town like a Prada purse. Having said that, "No" means no! It doesn't matter whether the man feels he's been misled or given mixed signals. Even during the act of coitus, both parties should respect the "No" message. How much simpler could that be? "No" means no. Period.
ReplyDeleteAs for that reader who said voyeurism is harmless, and men are naturally inclined to want to look … Well, I don't know how he was brought up, but he reminds me of an uneducated village idiot who preys on women when they are going to the well for water or beating laundry against the rocks by the river. In other words, an ill-bred, uninformed, unsophisticated pervert.
Hi Di. I think you're making a sweeping statement about 'Singaporean women' - I'm only saying this because I don't think anyone can make generalization like that about any gender from any country, every woman is an individual and will make up her own mind on the issue. Having said that, of course there are major cultural factors that will influence the way she feels about the issue.
DeleteHaving said that, Singaporeans women are conditioned to say no to sex because of their upbringing - that reflects the conservative upbringing they would have had and saying yes to sex is an act of rebellion against everything you were brought up to believe by your parents. I think it is somewhat unfair to then associate this with being passive-aggressive or being coy.
As for LR Singapore who thinks voyeurism is harmless - there's a huge difference between looking at a lady in public (say walking down the street, on the bus, in a supermarket, in a restaurant - which I agree is fairly harmless since this is in a public space), but to peep at her in the toilet or the showers is crossing the line. Surely anyone with a basic sense of right and wrong will know there's a huge difference between the two scenarios above that I have just described - if you really wanna look at naked women, there's plenty of porn on the internet for you to do so in the privacy of your room without disturbing any innocent women.
Yes, of course it was a sweeping statement. I was using my own friends and acquaintances as a basis.
DeleteI think you will find that things are evolving and changing with the younger generation of Singapore - Singapore is a society which is always evolving and changing and the impact of the internet on the younger generation of women is huge.
DeleteHi LIFT, Wow as usual you found an original and incredibly enjoyable-to-read angle for covering this topic. Agree with everything you said about parenting.
ReplyDeleteBUT...
I actually don't buy your theory that Nicholas Lim has poor social skills or that he was too "stupid" to rise above poor parenting.
He is probably just a lousy person with a deeply flawed character, a "bad egg" who was looking for cheap thrills and wanted to test the system to see whether he would get away with what he did.
I mean, he had a girlfriend whom he was visiting at the hostel when he committed the crime of opportunity. So his social skills can't be that bad (I didn't have a girlfriend until I had a job). And, he was studying Engineering in NUS, which is quite a difficult course to get into (I was in Arts).
So basically he is smarter than me and he has better social skills, yet he did something which it never even crossed my mind to do (I lived in the hostel at NUS too, a few decades ago).
Still, you really hit the nail on the head with your analysis of people like KD (and the other reader who left an earlier comment on your blog).
Hi CLT, How are you?
DeleteAllow me to respond to your points.
1. My father is extremely autistic, yet somehow he got married and had children - why? He simply found a woman who had even poorer social skills than him, so they somehow formed this relationship between two extremely autistic people. I just can't imagine an autistic person like my dad (or my mother for that matter) getting into a relationship with someone who isn't also autistic because they would just drive the other party nuts with their behaviour. So Nicholas Lim has a girlfriend - let's not jump to any conclusions until you see what kind of person she is, perhaps she's fat and ugly, perhaps she's completely autistic and a weirdo - who knows. All I am saying is that if you want a relationship or sex, it's not hard: all you have to do is keep lowering your standards and then eventually you will find someone desperate enough to say yes. So you're making a lot of assumptions about "oh he has a girlfriend therefore blah blah blah social skills" - I say, don't assume until you've seen her, then you can assume. Maybe he just really lowered his standards (ref my parents). Tragic but true, nobody needs to be alone forever, they just need to lower their standards.
2. A lot of us 'figure important issues out' on our own as teenagers and young adults in the absence of good parenting - but that's not a straight forward process. I would say that throwing me into NS did me a lot of good in that I was thrown in the deep end of the pool and forced to develop my social skills quickly in that environment. However, there's no guarantee that would work - I have seen some guys with poor social skills suffer a lot or even commit suicide during NS because they just couldn't develop the requisite social skills fast enough and this isn't even about intelligence per se. The kind of intelligence needed to do well in an A level exam is quite different from that to try to develop social skills.
Sure, it would be convenient to excuse criminals for their behaviour by finding excuses for them from low IQ, not knowing the difference between right and wrong, having had a tough or bad childhood, bad parents etc - but of course, you're also right that there are highly intelligent bad eggs who are deeply flawed and immoral who do bad things to people, they are just malicious, immoral, evil and profoundly wicked.
And that's the thing I worries me most about my nephew - he's so naive. He doesn't understand that people can be profoundly wicked out there, the poor kid has been bullied a lot in school, yet he doesn't seem to understand that concept of people simply being evil. I remember discussing with him an incident on a ferry boat when a woman was extremely rude to the person working there and he came up with a really naive response like "she is setting a bad example for the other children there". And I was like, maybe she is just plain evil and she doesn't give a fuck about the impact of her actions on others around her. Sigh. How do we prepare our children for a world full of bad eggs out there?
We will never be able to prepare our children for a world full of bad eggs. Just like how our parents were never really able to prepare us.
DeleteBut we can do better and hope our kids don't call us autistic. ;)
I am already being extremely kind in calling my parents autistic.
DeleteWhy? Because it gives them a get out of jail free card.
My parents were awful in every single way as parents, they were totally useless, clueless and abusive - here's how my parents worked, "it will take me 60 seconds to explain to you why I want you to do this, but probably 2 or 3 seconds to hit you across the head, so I will choose to hit you as it is faster."
They were just fucking awful and abusive. That's why I don't speak to them today - we have no relationship. If they die tomorrow, I won't even feel sad or cancel my holiday plans. I'll be in a beautiful ancient fort somewhere in the Balkans thinking, my dad had no desire to see the world - I'm doing everything he never let me do as a child by traveling the world.
You know the concept of having an MC in Singapore? Once you have a medical certificate, you're exempt ... excused, on medical grounds. I'm letting my parents off the hook because of their autism - what is the alternative then? Cos the alternative is that they're evil, wicked and rotten to the core - or bad eggs as we have said. My parents were fucking awful parents - that's all in the past, we can't change how fucking awful they were. The only thing I have control over now is the explanation - were they like that because they were severely autistic or because they are just plain rotten, evil, wicked people?
I am thus being kind in choosing the former and not the latter. It allows me to sleep better at night. I am giving them the MC.
PS. You have no idea how fucking awful my childhood was. Ever wondered how a guy can just say, fuck it, I'm moving 8 time zones away and never speaking to my parents again? A lot of people will blame the child in this case for being selfish, but in my case, each time my parents abused me, I started dreaming from a very young age (like 4 or 5 years old) of living on the other side of the world as far away from my parents as possible.
Wow. Sorry to have stirred up so much emotions and resentment. I have not been in your shoes and I cannot fully grasp the torment that you have been through.
DeleteHowever, given your achievements today and that you lead a pretty admirable life. Would you still say you rather not have been born to have been through that childhood?
I guess what I'm saying is how much should we be thankful to our parents just for the act of birth? Or should we just view it as a consequence of them fucking and that our presence is as natural as the sun rising everyday.
Tough one Stu Jin. I have seen a lot of damaged young people who have turned out really messed up because their neglectful parents didn't do a good job bringing them up. Some of them manage to rise above their tough start in life and pick themselves up - others end up even more messed up than their parents.
DeleteI could have truly gone either way. I did well in life in spite of my parents, rather than because of my parents - that's why I feel it is so necessary to take all the credit and deny them any.
Here's the thing about my parents - they didn't know why they heck they wanted children, all they knew was that they had to get married and have kids, not just girls but you must have at least a boy to carry on the family name. So they never ever wanted three kids but the first two were girls (and I have two elder sisters) and they would have kept going until they got a boy. But when I was born they were like, oh shit, now what? I have to be a parent?
Stupid people don't thinks things through - they just follow the rules and do what others want them to do whether or not it is right for them.
Hi Lift, your post is quite accurate in terms of how I was brought up, basically spent my free time watching tvb dramas and also movies, which portrayed a lot of sexual scenes and yes I did not have any proper sex education. I have never taught the ideas of consent regardless of the behaviour of the women. I have a lot to learn on this and thanks for this post. I will try to be a better person.
ReplyDeleteHi LR. Did it occur to you that I had zero sex education as well? Not from the schools, not from my parents. However, I was determined not to let my poor start in life affect be becoming a better person as an adult. My parents were ignorant, do you know what is the cure for ignorance? Knowledge. I am a learner, I am always happy to learn from people, from women, from people who are smarter than me - there is so much knowledge out there for us about every topic under the sun and if anything, I'm glad I've opened up a conversation here about the topic of consent for us to all start learning about seeing things from another person's point of view.
DeleteLR, you have GOT to start seeing things from another person's point of view, you have got to STOP imagining that your point of view is the only one that matters. In some cases, you have got to respect the other person's point of view because the issue affects them more than you - you're a man, they are women, voyeurism in this case affects women more than men, so shut the fuck up because you have a penis and you jolly well respectfully listen to what the women have to say because your opinions are not as important as theirs and you jolly well learn to respect that or people are going to think you're a fucking idiotic dickhead with criminal tendencies and that you belong in a jail cell, not in a civil society.
So please, humbly accept that you need to SHUT THE FUCK UP and listen to women in this case and accept that your opinion is not valid at all - only the women's opinions are. There are times in life when you're not entitled to an opinion and the only default stance is to shut up and listen - this is one of those times LR. So shut up, listen and learn.
LIFT, I like your articles because you speak the hard truths. Keep it up!
ReplyDeleteThank you. I am very passionate about this. I was incensed when I first read about the Monica Baey case and I was waiting for the right angle to come along for me to do the topic justice.
DeleteI like how you managed to weave every topic into an underhand insult about your parents.
ReplyDeleteI had no sex education during Sec school not sure about the current generation. But my parents didn't do the talk either and I forgot how I found out about everything. Most likely the internet since porn doesn't talk about STDs, pregnancy and reproductive organs.
I think my parents' generation were useless at this but I do know that my sister is at least doing a much better job with my nephew. She has a much closer relationship with him so he can go to her with any question he has about sexual relationships and she is in a position to advice him in a very well-informed manner. Remember what I said about, if my parents can't speak French, then they can't teach me French? Well the same applies to sex education. I'm wondering if my sister though is the exception or the norm with the current batch of parents who are of our generation - have things improved a lot in one generation or not enough?
DeleteI know from experience our generation are more knowledgeable about sex. But as for educating their young, most still leave it to the schools which don't teach much more than abstinence. They are still too shy, disgusted, religious holdups, etc to teach sex due to the conservative mindset and "Asian values".
DeleteSo what happens? The kids will end up learning about sex from internet porn.
DeleteI don't worry of about stuff like that, that is in my circle or concern not influence. If one day I have kid I will educate them about sex.
DeleteI am thinking about the death of Benjamin Lim, the young boy who committed suicide after molesting a girl. I hazard a guess that his parents never taught him how to behave around girls and about sex. This is a common problem in Singapore, many parents being conservative have never talked about sex and appropriate behavior around the opposite sex, they seem to think that the boys will figure it out magically on their own. Unfortunately that is not the case...
ReplyDeleteIf I may point out, I think in the case of Lim, he was accused of molesting a girl but never proven because he killed himself. So we don't actually know what happened, if he really did do anything and if so, what he did.
DeleteBut let me point something out. Analogy time: when I studied French, my parents couldn't help me with my homework, couldn't teach me new words, they couldn't do anything at all for a simple reason - they don't speak French. Hence by that same token, my parents couldn't teach me social skills because they have ZERO social skills. Never mind sex and relationships, they don't even have social skills to have normal, simple conversations like adults. I recently wrote in a piece that talking to my mother is like talking to a 7 year old autistic child. I swear that's how bad the situation is.
So may I postulate that sometimes, it is not a case of "I have all these secrets about love and relationships but I am not going to teach you until you're 18" - but rather, it's more like my parents being unable to help me with my French homework. My parents couldn't teach me French nor social skills because they were incapable of either.