Stupid, ignorant or irrational: what's the difference? |
The fact is, we were all born ignorant as children. I'd like you to think back to when you were going to start primary school - the teachers had to start from zero and teach us the basics. We knew practically nothing as young children back then and of course, how can you expect say an 7 year old to know how Nelson Mandela is or why the dinosaurs went extinct? These are topics way beyond the normal abilities of a 7 year old to comprehend. The teachers are usually very patient as they teach these young children the very basics. But as we get older and pass through the education system, we constantly accumulate a lot of information and gain new skills until the day we finish our formal education. By which point, our formal education (if it has gone according to plan) would have mostly cured us of our ignorance and we're no longer the same ignorant kids we were now that we're educated - so yes, there is a simple cure for ignorance, it is called education. So if a man in his 20s or 30s doesn't know who Nelson Mandela is or why the dinosaurs went extinct, then you'll start to wonder if there were gaps in their education or if that was a topic that wasn't covered in their school. But that's simply placing the blame on the education system and I don't think that is fair. After all, so many people go through the same education system in the country, yet some students become scholars and go on to very successful careers, whilst others end up working in dead end manual jobs, barely ever using their brains as they scrub toilets or mop floors. I would like to place the responsibility not so much on the teachers to 'cure' us of our ignorance, but on each and every single person to keep educating themselves about the world we live in - this learning should go on until the day we die.
As a man in his 40s, I've finished my formal education an awfully long time ago. Yet one of the most important issues that will affect my life in 2019 will be Brexit - I can't say, "oh my teacher never taught me about that when I was a student, so I don't know anything about it." Heck, I don't wait for a teacher to come along and teach me a topic if it is something so vitally important, I will take the initiative to teach myself everything I need to know about the topic. And that's a really good reason why I think it is vital for young people to go to university: as kids, we sit in a classroom and have information shoved down our throats by our teachers, it is a very passive learning process. You can get through the exams by simply memorizing your textbooks as all the answers are in there. But at university, the spoon-feeding ends and you're expected to come up with your own original theories and do a lot of your own independent research to back up your theories. The answers you need cannot be found in any of the textbooks - you'll often need to create something totally original to demonstrate your mastery of the topic. That's why I do think that my father is stuck in that, "I never learnt that in school, so I don't know about it" mindset and if it involves a topic he hasn't learnt about - be it tax planning or Brexit - then he will simply remain ignorant whilst someone like me would go read up about it and learn until I cure myself of the ignorance.
We live in an unforgiving world where people would often just assume that you're stupid rather than ignorant and it is important to hide your ignorance from the world. After all, there are loads of stupid people out there, not everyone is a genius. Sometimes, you may meet kind people who will not judge you for being ignorant: when I told my sister that I am going to Georgia in January, she didn't know much about Georgia apart from the fact that it used to be a part of the Soviet Union. But why would she know anything about Georgia anyway? It is not like she had any reason to need that knowledge and until I decided to go to Georgia, I didn't need that knowledge either but now, it is vital that I have that knowledge to ensure that I make the most of my holiday there. But then again, if my sister could join me on that holiday (alas, she can't - you know what she is like, Singaporeans work so hard), I know she is educated enough to be able to accumulate a lot of knowledge about Georgia very quickly, much the same way as I did. I know that because my sister is highly educated and very clever indeed. In her job, she often has to deal with issues that she may not know much about and finding the solutions to these problems may mean climbing a steep learning curve very quickly - but that's what highly intelligent people do all the time. Give them something new and they will learn the new knowledge very quickly. Oh and that technical aspect that I mentioned earlier, the one that I didn't understand - I have since done my research and am now an expert on dealing with that. That's what intelligent people do - we buy time to cover up our ignorance so you don't even know that we were ever ignorant. Thus people with excellent social skills rarely come across as ignorant not because we have more knowledge, but we do know how to navigate our way out of those awkward social situations.
Is it easy for someone to simply fix his ignorance about a certain issue, especially if he hasn't had the benefit of a good education? No. It is perhaps too unkind of me to judge my father's refusal to learn English because he never had a good education to begin with. But then again, he is a teacher himself and he is married to another teacher - can you be a good teacher if you refuse to learn something that is evidently so useful and vital to your everyday life? This kind of learning comes easy to some people and not to others, so if you have tried to do something but failed miserably, then you're unlikely to want to try again. Some people are simply not intelligent enough to pick up new skills, new languages, new information as quickly as others - their minds cannot figure out new concepts and learn as quickly as others, hence we tend to label these people stupid. It's not their fault that they can't learn - so even if you enrolled my father in a course at Tsinghua or Fudan university (two of the best universities in China), guess what? It is highly unlikely that my father would be able to pass any of the exams there because his brain simply isn't equipped to pick up new information the way a top university would expect their students to process very complex concepts. So with stupid people like that, it's not like they have become so ignorant because they have been deprived of the process to learn - rather, they probably know that trying to learn anything difficult or complex would be a futile process so they don't even bother and they have simply gotten used to living with their ignorance; that's what I see my father doing. He has simply given up trying to fix his ignorance decades ago whilst people like me are always desperately trying to fix the many gaps in my knowledge bank.
I am always finding excuses for my father's ignorance. |
So really, the key difference is that you can fix ignorance - simply given me a week and I'll learn enough about a topic to have an knowledgeable conversation with you. Indeed, when I was in Malta a few weeks ago, I got talking to some of the locals and one of them old Maltese men thought that I must have either lived in Malta or have visited Malta many times given my intimate knowledge of the country and the Maltese language. He was shocked that it was my first visit to Malta and he was like, "but how come you know how to speak so much Maltese?" And I replied, "it's amazing what you can learn on the internet these days." But you can't fix stupidity I'm afraid, it's not that stupid people can't learn anything, but there is a limit to how much they can learn and how fast they can learn. I may be able to pick up the basics of a new language in a week or two given that I am a polyglot, but someone who is stupid may spend years studying the language and still come away with very little. I have this friend in London whose son is stupid - not my words, it is the word of his father. This friend has two kids: a daughter and a son and even by his own admission, his daughter is brilliant, his son is an idiot. He has decided to make them both learn Chinese and after a few years, I can have a basic conversation in Mandarin with his daughter whilst the son would simply say random words in Mandarin to me like, "熊猫" and expect me to be impressed. I don't even now quite how to react, like, "okay, do you know what that word means? Can you use it in a sentence?" The boy would look perplexed because instead of saying "well done" like all the other adults who treat him in a condescending manner, I start testing how much Chinese he actually knows and I usually scare him away because in doing so, I make him feel stupid - especially when his clever sister is quite happily jabbering away with me in Mandarin.
Can I point out that these two kids had the same Chinese teacher and were taught the same way - so what other conclusion can I come to apart from the one that the boy is stupid? After all, his father had arrived at the same conclusion. You see, many people would give people like this boy the benefit of the doubt, not because they have any evidence to the contrary, but they are just being kind. Can you imagine me telling my friend that his son is, well, plain stupid? No, that would be a very hurtful thing to say. But here's the thing: even stupid people can still learn and I've observed some stupid people who may not be fast learners, but they don't give up - they keep trying and they do continually enrich their lives with new knowledge, new skills and new experiences. It may take them a lot longer to learn the same things as a clever person, but they will learn at a much slower pace and get there eventually. Of course, all this time, they are still reaping the many benefits of challenging themselves to learn something new and difficult - that's why my friend is forcing his "less intelligent" son to still learn Chinese like his super intelligent daughter. Then there are people like my father who refuse to try to do anything new or learn anything new, thus as a result accumulate huge gaps of ignorance in their lives after several decades. I wonder if my father cares if people think he is stupid or ignorant - after all, he spent his entire life as a primary school teacher facing young children, so he's always more knowledgeable than his students. But once he steps into the big bad world outside the school gate, it isn't long before he realizes that he doesn't have the knowledge to even negotiate his way through a public car park in Singapore. Is my father truly stupid? I'm not sure his IQ is that low, but his extremely negative and pessimistic attitude towards learning anything new is what keeps him very ignorant about so many vital things in life and that often results in making him come across as a stupid person.
Oh and amongst the most stupid things he ever said was, "fat people are more jovial and funny". And his reason: two of his favourite comedians are fat, Lydia Sum and Moses Lim. Talk about a face palm moment. So okay, let me get this right - Sum and Lim are both comedians, they are both overweight, they are both very funny, so by that token, all fat people are jovial and funny; as if there's some kind of link with being obese and being able to tell funny jokes to make others laugh. Groan, like where do I even begin? If anything, fat people are more likely to have all kinds of medical problems as a result of their obesity - not a good start if you want to be jovial and funny. Besides, have you ever seen how fat kids are bullied in school? Kids already face such a harsh environment in this day and age when it comes to bullying and standing out because you're hideously obese is only going to make you a target for bullying - again, that's hardly going to make you jovial and funny. Oh then he said something that made me gasp in disbelief - he said that thin girls are attractive and the boys will be chasing after the pretty, skinny girls; but the fat girls have no choice but to tell hilarious jokes and make themselves the center of attraction by being the comedian in the group otherwise nobody would pay attention to them. I tried to explain to him that being jovial and funny like a comedian is an art form, doing comedy is extremely complex and it an intellectual process that has nothing to do with being fat or thin - after all, there are plenty of great comedians who are thin as well, so that totally destroys his theory that 'fat people are more jovial and funny'. At which point he couldn't defend his argument apart from, "but Lydia Sum and Moses Lim are so funny!" Never pick an argument with a stupid person, especially one who is so oblivious to his own stupidity, it is a pointless exercise that will only end in frustration.
Actually I think there is - after all, I know I am autistic and so I go out of my way to challenge myself to see things from a different point of view all the time and whilst I still make some mistakes as an autistic moron sometimes, I am at least aware that I have a problem. This is similar to my friend Sean who is colour blind: he cannot see the colour red and any colour which involves some kind of combination of red such as purple or pink. Sean is aware of his colour blindness of course so he goes out of his way to be careful and compensate for it; you may think that it may concern matters like food safety or even something as basic as traffic lights. But Sean would often take a photo of a shirt, tie and suit he wishes to wear for an important meeting and then send it to me (I am not colour blind but more importantly, I do have a good eye for men's fashion). I would then advice him if the colours do go well together or if they clash badly. So for example, he sees bright pink as a kind of dull grey - so sometimes I would have to warn him that wearing a bright pink or magenta shirt may be a somewhat bold choice for a formal situation and whilst I am not afraid of using such bold colours in my ensemble, some colours just don't go well together. When he is about to buy clothes online, he would usually double check with me before making an order and sometimes we would go shopping together. Thus like Sean, I am aware that my autism may impede my ability to judge a situation properly and so I can try to compensate for it - that's a lot easier than trying to ask a stupid person to think/act like an intelligent person because they are simply incapable of doing that.
I remember a story from many years ago in Wales - this Welsh couple in a small farming village have a son who is always getting into trouble and has spent some time in jail for various crimes; nonetheless they love him unconditionally and would always take him back regardless. One night, the son came back and confessed to his parents that he had killed a man in a drunken brawl at the pub. The father said, no it has gone too far, we need to go to the police now - the son refused, instead he wanted his parents' life savings so he could run far away and avoid justice. The father then marches out of the house to try to avoid a confrontation with his son whilst the mother is trying to calm her son down. However, fearing that his father is about to call the police, the son runs after his father, they get into a struggle the son accidentally kills the father in the process. Now the son has killed two people in one night and what does the mother do? She covers up for her son: she makes it look like they had a burglar on the farm and she would raise the alarm the next morning. In the meantime, she drives to the nearest ATM to withdraw as much money as possible to give to her son - who then takes the money to flee abroad. But she then goes out of her way to lie to the police about what happened in order to mislead and distract them, whilst buying time for her son to escape to Ireland. Eventually she was arrested and sent to jail for aiding a criminal when CCTV from the ATM revealed that she had withdrawn a large amount of money that night. Now in this story, this mother isn't particularly stupid or uneducated - she had simply been emotionally overwhelmed by the sudden turn of events and the tragic death of her husband, thus she acted irrationally against her own interests. Yes this is an extreme example, but it shows how a smart woman could be very irrational under duress.
Thus I think we have to go back to the very basic definition of what it means to be stupid in order to draw a line on this issue: a person with very low IQ (like a mentally disabled person) would be totally incapable of learning anything too difficult or complex; thus that is the cause of them being very ignorant simply because they are incapable of learning. However, there are other reasons for people to be ignorant: it could be a temporary gap in their knowledge, take the example of my super intelligent sister - who has till today had no reason to require any knowledge about the country of Georgia, thus she is ignorant when it comes to that topic or there could be a far more complex problem like autism, which prevents the autistic person from seeking knowledge about certain topics if that means having to see things from another person's point of view. Then of course, you have people like Miss Pae in Pyongyang who are seemingly intelligent, eloquent and highly educated, yet somehow they can only be at best described as 'irrational' when it comes to the huge blind spots they have. In fact, she may not be 'ignorant' of what is really going on in North Korea, but she conveniently chooses not even to acknowledge those troubling thoughts. So is it necessary to to work out whether or not the ignorant person is plain stupid, ignorant or perhaps autistic? I actually think so - because you can then decide how you wish to deal with the situation. With a genuinely stupid person, the only logical response is to walk away and leave them in peace. But in other cases, you may want to decide if you can actually help enlighten that person and 'cure' them of their ignorance with some knowledge that you could share. Whether or not you choose to do so will depend on the situation.
My dad and several of the elderly people I interact with are not what I call ignorant or stupid. But they refuse to change their worldview when challenged with new facts.
ReplyDeleteLike just the other day I heard my dad tell me that Shanghai was a very dangerous place and to not let my spouse wander around at night. He has been to Shanghai several time on a cargo vessel but refuses to disembark due to his fear of being robbed blind by the dangerous locals.
Personally I have wandered around Shanghai past midnight and solo on several occasions yet never felt at any sort of personal danger (compared to Malaysia). So I know my dad is full of shit but I can't change his mind. And he has a Diploma in Marine Studies and used to be the captain of a ship so I can't say he is stupid.
Then there was another elderly lady who told me that Chinese drivers don't honk while passing others on the road. But I have been traveling in China countless times and my wife has a Chinese drivers license so I know for a fact they are taught to honk while passing others.
So much for educating people. In fact I almost never correct anyone in real-life any more to maintain harmony. I already have a bad reputation for being outspoken at work so am trying to keep a low profile.
Well, then wouldn't you say that your dad (and those elderly people) are like Ms Pae in North Korea? They are not stupid in the conventional sense but they conveniently ignore new facts which challenge their long held opinions. So how do you categorize someone like that, as they may not be stupid in the usual sense, but still end up ignorant regardless?
DeleteIt's a bit like this guy I used to work with years ago called David - now David is really, really fat. But this is what he said to me, "oh I can lose all this weight if I want to, I remember once in the 1999 I decided to go on a diet, go exercise a lot and within like 6 months, I was lean again. But when I get busy with work, I stop focusing on my health and I eat too much, I don't exercise. If I want to, of course I can just go on a diet and exercise loads, then I will be thin again. I just don't have the time to do that now, I just need the right motivation to get my act together." Regardless of what David may have done in 1999 to get thin then, today in 2019 he is fat - very fat. So there are people who are simply in denial about being fat or ignorant. I'm sure my father is one of them - like he would probably claim that he could learn English if he wanted to but he just doesn't want to, which doesn't change the fact that he still can't understand basic English today - not enough to read a sign in a car park in Singapore anyway.
Hence with people like my father, they may claim "I'm not stupid, I'm just lazy" - the same way David is too lazy to lose weight, my father would claim that he is too lazy to learn English, but is that the same as being too stupid to learn English? After all, in order to score well in our education system and ace those exams, you cannot be lazy, you have to work hard, so technically speaking, it is possible to have a high IQ but still do badly in exams because you didn't sit down to memorize the vital facts in your textbooks - like the capital of Georgia is Tbilisi, it's the kind of thing you would know if you had revised that chapter and memorized that fact, it has nothing to do with your IQ. So can stupid people play the 'lazy' card to claim they are not stupid - just lazy?
DeleteHi Sandra,
ReplyDeleteWow, that's a lot of ground to cover. Thanks for your comment. I'm taking a break from reading Tripadvisor reviews on hotels in Georgia - I still have to book all my accommodation, aargh.
1. My father has no awareness of the impact of his words on others because being so severely autistic, he doesn't pay any attention to the people he is talking to, so even when my sister and I had this look on our faces that said, "I can't believe he said something so stupid", he remained utterly oblivious to it. In a sense, that's a blessing you know - that way people can't hurt you. I think I am sensitive and perhaps sometimes I care too much about the way people look at me, how they judge me. But for my dad, he just doesn't even consider the fact that others are judging him for his words and actions (and coming to the conclusion that he's an idiot).
2. Thanks for the point about Choaniki's colleague - I was thinking exactly the same thing but for whatever reason didn't write it down earlier. But spot on.
3. Oh my dad does listen to his doctor and he in fact puts our family GP on a pedestal like some kinda old wise sage - whilst I'm like, yeah he's a GP, I have loads of friends who are doctors, it's no big deal.
4. As for why people have a bling spot the size of the sun when it comes to vaccinations, I am mortified that they think vaccines give kids autism as if that's such a bad thing. Autism runs in the family and if you're unlikely and have the gene, then too bad you just have to learn to cope with it. It isn't caused by vaccinations and speaking as an autistic person, I am so angry that people think that autism is such a horrific curse that it is worth risking all these other awful diseases to avoid it - it tells me that there's so little understanding of what autism is and people have created their own monster in their heads to blame every behaviour issue kids experience today on it.
Not really related to this topic but equally irrational.
ReplyDeleteI was talking to another old lady the other day (not an insult she is 60+) who happens to be a boss of a company.
She starts off telling me that I shouldn't be so calculative in work and should work hard and do everything my boss requests me to do. She then proceeds to slag off the millennials saying they were all too calculative and lazy, only concerned with money but don't know their true value. I pretty much guess that she is the typical SMC boss who likes to shortchange her staff.
So I related my story about working very hard as trying to work my way up the company ladder as the advice given by my old man was the same. But then after an M&A a regional manager position was opened up and awarded (without proper HR protocol) to a Chinese colleague who was my junior. She then said that as a business owner there were many factors (mainly cost) which would affect the reason why the business would give the job to a Chinese. She said that I should just move on and not harp on it, which I have already done. That there are reasons why they handed the Chinese guy the job without opening it up for interviews (costs most likely since IT is a cost centre). She never considers factors like the best man for the job or stuff like how talented staff allow your company to make more money which is why Apple, MS, Amazon, Google are chasing talented staff not cheapest labor.
I told her now that I have been burnt I am more mercenary and refuse to work unpaid OT. But then she countered that I was too calculative and that since I was paid more than 3k was considered an excutive so don't deserve OT. I told her that i disagree and had to been mercenary since companies were only interested in their bottom line, the government only cares if companies are happy and our largest union makes money from selling food and groceries. If I don't advocate for myself I would be taken advantage of by bosses like her. She kept arguing back that I was too calculative and that her staff go back to work straight after lunch and don't get the full hour (probably unpaid too) have to stay back till official working hours and don't get to leave even when their work is completed but expected to help others complete their work (so all slackers are incentivised I guess). Btw she is a rich lady and drives a BMW but her staff are probably all poor from being exploited by her.
She said that she still thinks my father is correct and that I should work hard and stop being "calculative". I countered her that my father worked hard for all his life for more than 40 years at one company and now that he has reached retirement age has nothing to show for it (no pension or benefits since he was not laid off), he was too poor to loan me money for further studies even. She said that was nothing to be ashamed off. Yes then sell off your house (she lives in a landed house in Farrer Rd and drives a BM) then come talk to me again.
So do you think she is correct or illogical? Am I correct to refuse to work for free or am I the one who is raving mad?
I'm not prepared to deal with the individual points she made - all I will say is that you're not obliged to agree with her and if you really don't like the way she talks, then don't talk to her; kinda like the way I don't talk to my parents anymore. You're not obliged to be her best friend or change her mind - it's far easier to just walk away than to try to win an argument with someone like that.
DeleteCan I clarify please that by walking away and avoiding confrontation, it doesn't mean that you agree with her, I just mean that you don't waste time, energy and effort fighting with her (the same way I am sparing myself any angst by not speaking to my parents). There are some arguments you can't win because the other party is not prepared to listen to you - so the only strategy is to avoid people like that.
DeleteI don't really know her at all, just hitched a ride on her car which she got from exploiting her staff.
DeleteWell in that case, that makes it easy for you to walk away from that argument with your head held high - you don't need to argue with people like that in your life. Just walk away.
Delete@Sandra there is this phenomenon that psychologists called the backfire effect (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-convince-someone-when-facts-fail/). Basically when someone is faced with facts that challenge their worldview they double-down and deny the facts harder. Which is how anti-vaxxers and climate change deniers come to exist.
ReplyDeleteAdd to that people who believe the earth is flat.
ReplyDeleteBut my father is the same - I had this ridiculous argument with him in London when he last visited. It was very cold, the temperature fell below 0 at night and a puddle in the street outside was frozen solid into ice. He claimed the weather was above zero as it was not snowing - he is mistaken of course, he thinks that snow will automatically fall from the skies if it is below zero but of course that's not the case. You can have a cold clear night when it is bitterly cold but with no snow, but if there's stagnant water like in a puddle, then it will freeze into ice.
I then pointed that out to my father and he said something like the water in the puddle had impurities like salt, so it froze into ice despite it not being zero degrees yet. I said no, adding salt to ice lowers the freezing point of water - it doesn't increase the freezing point of ice, it does the complete opposite: it lowers the melting point of ice. So if we were to sprinkle salt on ice, it would melt the ice, not freeze it. This is really basic PSLE science stuff that even my nephew knows.
But my father just argued and refused to acknowledge that he is wrong because hey, he is so autistic that he refuses to listen to any other person - he is unreasonable to the point where he is on par with people who believe in a flat earth - ie. scientific evidence doesn't matter to him.
And that's why we don't talk anymore. He doesn't wanna talk to me and I'm not keen to speak to him either.
I think my relationship with my parents is very similar to that with my friend's stupid son (you know the one in this blog post, who would come up to me and say a word like xiongmao and expect me to congratulate him, but instead I push him to use the word in a sentence and challenge him to use his Mandarin more etc) it's the same thing with my parents. I always push them, challenge them and make them explain stuff so they end up always feeling inadequate and stupid when talking to me because it always ends up with me telling them that they are wrong, they don't understand how things work etc. But with my sisters, they just smile and let it go - that's why they still get along with my parents just fine even when they spout a whole pile of uneducated bullshit that's 100% wrong.
ReplyDeleteMy review would be that people are stupid just because i don't have all the time to be patiently guiding them through life for each and everyone of them, likewise they may think the same of me. But, i have been fortunate for the times where people that do take the time to gift me the lessons about the certain values they hold dear that helped them wade through their lives.
ReplyDeleteIt includes you Alex! Thank you!
I am honoured to have you as a reader :)
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