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Friday, 23 November 2018
Q&A: Have I ever had an 'Eleanor Young' moment in London?
Hi guys, I have been shown the first scene from Crazy Rich Asians which has made its way onto Youtube. So in this scene, a younger version of Mrs Eleanor Young in 1995 arrives at a posh London hotel - the Calthorpe - with her family, only to be turned away despite having a reservation because the staff didn't want a noisy Chinese family at their hotel. I'll jump to the punchline, it turns out the hotel had just been sold to the Young family and Mrs Young is effectively their new boss, so the staff who had been terribly rude to her are mortified at what they had just done. Of course, the staff had been deliberately racist but this is a movie - it is a work of fiction so the writer Kevin Kwan had deliberately constructed a showcase of how hubris works: the hotel manager thinks he is above Mrs Young when in fact, she is in every way his superior and the writer allows the manager to throw them out of the hotel on a high before realizing what he had just done. Anyway, the scene is embedded below for you to watch for yourselves. Now the question I had been asked is this: as an Asian person in London, have I ever encountered anything like that before, this kind of very racist discrimination?
If you're talking about outright cases of racism, then no - the answer is quite simply no, the scene presented in the movie was a really blatant case of racism and even back in the 1990s, the staff I have encountered in places like hotels and restaurants are a lot more careful than that. Even if they were to be upset or disgusted with a loud Chinese family behaving badly, then they would be a lot more subtle in the way they would handle the situation. I would have expected that kind of blatant racism to date back to the 1960s or 1970s, that was a totally different era and you would have been dealing with a totally different generation of people back then. So if it had been 1985, I would be more willing to believe that something like that could have happened back then, but 1995? Maybe in some hotel in some remote corner of the UK, but not in central London - London has always been extremely international and cosmopolitan and nobody would bat an eyelid if you're a foreigner or of an ethnic minority here. In any case, I have encountered some situations whereby people have made assumptions based on my skin colour or country of origin, these have led to misunderstandings. I'm going to share these eight personal stories with you now for you to judge whether or not these are instances of racism.
Story 1: Is that instant coffee?
I have a sister-in-law who lives in a small town in Scotland and this happened some years ago when I visited her there - it's a small place with not much to do, but people are genuinely friendly and I often get introduced to her friends who live in the area. So one afternoon, I was invited to a small local event and there was an old man making tea and coffee there - he asked me if I would like a cup of coffee and being the snob I was, I asked if it was instant. You see, I think instant coffee is pretty gross and once you have a proper coffee machine at home, it would be hard to stomach your regular cup of instant coffee. I was thinking, oh we're in a small town, they wouldn't know what proper coffee is and if he's going to make me a gross cup of instant coffee, I shall have tea instead. But as it turned out, that old man did have a decent coffee machine there (which was out of sight) and was able to offer me a good cup of coffee - however, he had assumed that because I am an Asian immigrant, I would have grown up drinking gross instant coffee in Singapore instead of proper coffee, hence I would prefer gross instant coffee instead. So he apologetically said, "I'm sorry we don't have instant here, but I can do you a cup of coffee from our coffee machine?" When then followed was a really awkward conversation about what kind of coffee I liked and if I did grow up drinking instant coffee in Singapore; he had assumed that Asian people (the Chinese in particular) had more of a tea-drinking culture and wouldn't be that familiar with coffee.
Needless to say, we had both made assumptions about each other: I took one look at him and thought, you're an old, working class Scottish man, I bet you're probably barely literate and worked as a lorry driver or something like that. I bet the last time you read a book was when you were 6 and that was 'The Very Hungry Caterpillar' because your teacher made you do it to improve your English. you probably had never seen a coffee machine in your life and you probably drink the grossest, cheapest instant coffee because that's all you can afford. He took one look at me and thought, you're an immigrant, you're not from here, I bet you come from a poor, exotic country, you might even be a refugee - you probably don't want to drink what we normally drink here, you're probably going to be different from the rest of us in this town, you probably don't even speak English as a first language. You get the idea: I think we were both equally guilty of jumping to conclusions and making assumptions based on the first impression we made of each other within the first second or so. He didn't see me as someone from London but rather a foreigner, an immigrant, someone from another country. We were both very polite to each other in our brief interaction, but I could sense that we had both made awful assumptions about the other party that were probably unjustified. He was probably a bit racist and I was very 'classist'.
Story 2: Remembering English names?
Here is an example of when I encountered ignorance rather than outright racism. Years ago, I used to do coach gymnastics here in London many years ago on my weekends and I've since given that up, though I continue to enjoy the sport as a gymnast rather than a coach. There were loads of kids at the gymnastics club and at the start of every term, there's usually a huge turn over of kids as the parents sign up for a whole term's worth of classes - so you have the situation whereby you turn up for gymnastics class the first Saturday of the new term and oh boy, you see a sea of unfamiliar faces and you're trying desperately to remember all the new names. I discussed this situation with an older British lady and she assumed that I had difficulty remembering the names because I am Chinese: I would be more familiar with names like Chen Yile, Liu Jinru, Liu Tingting, Luo Huan and Zhang Jin (who incidentally are the current China women's gymnastics national team) instead of Jane, Paul, Vera, Frank, Joan and Christopher. I cringed at that thought - after all, English is my first language and she had jumped to the wrong conclusion based on the colour of my skin. I think you'd have to go to China to find someone who can't speak English well and has little familiarity with Western culture for them to be confused by the more common English names. For crying out aloud, I have an English name - she knows me as Alex, she doesn't even know my Chinese name. In making that assumption, she had assumed that I was a poor adjusted immigrant who is neither fluent in English nor familiar with British culture - therefore I got rather offended.
Fortunately, I managed to explain to a mutual friend why I took such offence and naturally, I got a groveling apology. That older lady didn't mean to be racist - she just did what a lot of lazy people did and jumped to the wrong conclusion. In her defence, she was trying to express empathy - she was trying to see things from my point of view, she was putting herself in my shoes to stare out at a sea of new faces through my Chinese eyes. But my situation is quite unique in that I am a complete yellow banana: yellow on the outside, completely white on the inside. The primary language I use at work is English and when I was put in a Chinese-speaking business environment in Shenzhen earlier this year, I completely floundered and struggled. It is not easy to express empathy and I say, if you want to do it, then make sure you judge the situation properly, have all the right information about the person you are talking to before you try to open your mouth - in this case, she was utterly embarrassed at how badly she had misfired over that whole 'English names' incident and didn't want me to think that she was a racist. Did she cause offence with her remark? Yes she did, but did she do it out of sheer malice, was she deliberately trying to offend and insult me? No - she did it out of ignorance and stupidity, she was trying to be nice and express empathy but didn't quite know how to do it properly. I could live with that and forgive her mistake.
Story 3: Hey big spender
This incident happened about twelve years ago and it wasn't in London but in fact in Dubai - I was in a very upmarket boutique in one of the big malls. Nothing in there was cheap, it was clear that the security guard was ready to ask people who look as if they didn't belong in there to leave and if you looked like you were a big spender, then the friendly sales assistant would come and assist you. Now I was with a group of white friends who wanted to see something in the shop, so whilst I wasn't keen on spending my hard earned cash there, I was in the company of some friends who were interested in buying something in that boutique. This is when it got messy - we had entered the shop together but I got bored and started wandering around on my own instead of sticking with them. I then realized that I was being watched and followed by one of the security guards - after all, I'm Asian and I wasn't exactly well dressed that day (Dubai is ridiculously hot, so most people dress for the hot weather) - there was that moment of realization when I thought, oh shit he's going to eject me from the store. I had about five seconds to react and so I spotted one item in front of me that was and called out to my friend in my most exaggerated British accent. "Oh James, you must come over here and have a look at this one, it is 20,000 Dirhams (£4,236 or S$7,468) but really, it is so much nicer than the one you saw yesterday."
Right away, the security guard pretended to be looking in the other direction as the sales assistant greeted me with the most forced smile you have ever seen, "hello sir, good afternoon, may I help you?" Thankfully my friend James had realized what was going on (he had been working in Dubai for longer than I have) and he just played along with me. He pointed to one of the most expensive item in the shop and exclaimed, "hey Alex, weren't you looking for something like that? Well have a look at this!" And I replied, "yes James, I was, but I already have it. I got it last week already when I was shopping with Catherine." You should have seen the look on the sales assistant's face, she was like, "if you like this, then I have a few other similar items that you may like." The fact is there are plenty of Filipinos working in Dubai and quite frankly, I had been mistaken for Filipino before whilst I was there - so I could have easily been one of those Pinoy migrant workers there not earning much money, not the kind of customer they wanted in that high end luxury boutique. But the fact that I was in the company of white friends suddenly gave me honorary white status and white people are always welcome in shops like that in Dubai, even if they are poor Russian backpackers. But I had gone from being nearly being ejected from the boutique to being treated like a VIP simply by making it clear that I had come into that shop with white British people and that I was not some poor Asian migrant worker who couldn't afford the designer goods in there.
Story 4: It will be about Beijing, right?
This story is another example that is fairly similar to story 2: so when I was at university, I did a lot of volunteer work with charities and you run into all kind of random people there also volunteering. A common way to start a conversation is, "so, what do you do?" So when I said that I was a student at university, they asked me what I was studying and one question led to another, I told them I was doing research into public transport patterns and here was the response that shocked me, this guy then just assumed that I would be studying about transport in somewhere like Beijing, China instead of the obvious: I was conducting my research in London as I was a student at University College London. Mind you, even after all these years, I still haven't set foot in Beijing yet despite having visited other parts of China like Shanghai and Shenzhen. There was absolutely nothing about what I said about my research that could suggest any need to do it in China, I had in fact been referencing examples in the London public transport system. Yet the only thing that was Chinese was my skin colour, my face and that led him to jump to that conclusion - I got really angry at that point and called him a racist. Now it didn't help that this other woman, also a volunteer, tried to calm me down by pointing out that whilst he had jumped to the wrong conclusion, he wasn't a racist per se and that it wasn't an unreasonable question.
So let's analyze the situation - this guy was plain stupid, he said something stupid by jumping to the wrong conclusion and when it was clear that he had misfired, he didn't know how to deal with the situation. He was probably autistic and sorely lacking in social skills to handle situations whereby you make polite small talk with people you have just met - really, it isn't rocket science, not insulting or upsetting the other party by keeping the conversation rather bland and open ended. So instead of making an assumption like, "your research will be about Beijing, right?" I would use an open ended questions like, "where would you be doing your research? Is that your first choice? Would you like to do your research in just one city or would you like to have the chance to do it in a few different places? If money wasn't an issue, where would you like to do your research? Which city would be most ideal for your research?" You see, in using questions like that, I am expressing interest in the other person without jumping to any conclusions - I am allowing the other party to give me that information. This idiot who made the comment about Beijing probably wanted me to reward him for noticing that I'm Chinese, but that's hardly something that will impress me since I clearly have East Asian features and have a common Chinese surname. So was his comment racist? I think so, but was his maliciously trying to insult or upset me? No he wasn't, not at all and the key is the motive here: it wasn't malice, just an insanely huge dose of stupidity and a total lack of very basic social skills. Yes he was a stupid idiot, but at least he wasn't a racist idiot - there is a huge difference.
Story 5: Sweet and sour pork
This story is back from around 2002 - so we're going back a long way here. I was a few weeks into my new job in a new company and there was just a boring afternoon when a group of us were chatting about food as it was coming to lunchtime. And then this British colleague asked me, "so Alex, when are you going to bring us some home-made Chinese food, like your grandmother's secret recipe for us to taste? Like I'm sure it's going to be so much better than the sweet and sour pork kind of Chinese food we get at our local Chinese restaurant." I felt offended by that remark actually, despite the fact that I do have a Chinese grandmother who is a great cook. Firstly, I didn't know this guy well enough to want to cook for him, sure I cook Chinese food at home but why should I want to go through all that effort to cook for my colleagues in the office whom I'm not even that close to? Secondly, it's the assumption that I can cook Chinese food - I am a lover of all good food whether it is Italian, Mexican, Indian, Turkish, Japanese, French, Korean, Thai or Spanish, I'd like to think that I am cosmopolitan enough to appreciate good food from every country in the world. Unlike my parents of course, who will only eat Chinese food - I'm not like that, I am actually really quite adventurous when it comes to trying new foods. So for my colleague to assume that I would prefer Chinese food, I actually felt quite insulted and angry. I am such a complex, interesting, unique character and all you can do is default to my just skin colour to start a conversation?
Here's a bit of a context for you: in the West, Chinese people are often associated with Chinese restaurants. This correlation has a lot more to do with racism than delicious Chinese food: in the past, a lot of highly educated Chinese people found it hard to get well paid jobs because of racial discrimination. Others struggled to assimilate and didn't speak English well enough, so they ended up working within the Chinese restaurant trade - it was a way to make money from white people who didn't want to employ them otherwise, but somehow Chinese food was so appealing that even the most racist white people were actually perfectly happy to go for dinner in a Chinese restaurant. Now what I have described above is a situation involving racial discrimination that happened many decades ago, Chinese people are perfectly at home in the West these days and have become the 'model minority' in the West, as most of us have assimilated quite successfully. But still, this assumption of looking at a Chinese person and automatically making an assumption that he must have something to do with the catering trade is inherently racist, because the message is, "white people would never employ a Chinese person like you, so of course you must be working in a Chinese restaurant, right?" The fact is I'm from Singapore, a Chinese-majority country where we do love good food and there is simply no correlation between Chinese people and the catering trade in Singapore, so I found that comment really quite offensive.
Was this guy who asked me about Chinese food racist? No, he was just plain stupid - you see, he was trying to establish rapport. He looked at me and thought, ah Alex is Chinese, if I talked about something that is close to his heart like Chinese food, then I can have something in common with him. But it doesn't work like that - this guy didn't get to know me better, I ate Chinese food as a child not because I made any conscious decision to learn about Chinese cuisine; no, it was simply because that's what my parents ate and I was surrounded by it all the time in Singapore. So imagine if you didn't know me well and you went through my Instagram feed, trying to find common ground - then you would be able to see something that I did recently, so for example, if you stumble upon some of my gymnastics training videos and if you also do gymnastics, then great we have common ground for a conversation. And if you don't feel like trawling through my Instagram feed, then no problem, just ask me questions, so if we're talking about food for example try open-ended questions like, "Alex, what kind of food do you like best? Where's your favourite restaurant in London? Do you like cooking at home Alex? Where do you tend to do your grocery shopping? What is your favourite dessert? Do you enjoy seafood? Where's the best place in London for street food?" It is rather easy to keep a conversation going with open-ended questions, but that idiot didn't have the social skills to do that - no, instead he defaulted to an ethnic stereotype. The bottom line is he even though he was evidently a stupid idiot, at least he wasn't a racist idiot - there is a difference.
Story 6: Are you doing this within your community?
She had this horrific vision of modern day Apartheid - like Chinese people will only entertain other Chinese people, they won't entertain white or black people. Imagine if I saw an actor like Morgan Freeman, Will Smith or Whoopi Goldberg in a film and said, oh there's a black person in this film, I can't watch it. No way could I possibly do that - that would be utterly racist! Yet this black woman can't get her head around the fact that yes, I would gladly watch a TV programme, a play or a film with non-Chinese people in it and many people today are not racist when it comes to seeing a character of a different skin colour in a TV programme. Most British and American TV series these days will have a number of black and Asian characters, along with a gay character, a character of a minority religion and a disabled character. So if you can have an Indian Hindu, lesbian protagonist in a wheelchair, then you can tick more than one diversity box at the same time! Yes, we celebrate and embrace diversity in this modern age - so for this black woman to have an attitude that seemed to have come from the 1950s when people were a lot less open to embrace different cultures and when people were a lot more racist, I was just very shocked. Fortunately, I only met her once and our paths never ever crossed again.
Yes there are Chinese people in China who make entertainment in Mandarin for a Chinese audience - the Chinese media market is very big today. However, those people who are doing that are in places like Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong - they are not in London. I am a British-Chinese actor in London, but that black lady didn't seem to understand how I can get be employed by white people in a BBC production for example. I tried to explain to her that I get work on BBC radio 4 for example because I'm very good and experienced and you can't see skin colour on the radio! You just have to sound very eloquent and articulate on air - but no, it was like explaining calculus to a cat, this black woman was plain stupid. All she could see was my skin colour, she couldn't process the fact that I am a lot more than a Chinese person - heck, firstly, I'm mixed, secondly, I'm a total banana: yellow on the outside, white on the inside. The bottom line is that my cultural identity is actually pretty darn complex but people like her are extremely lazy and couldn't be asked to take the time to get to know me better. This stupid woman had some stereotypical idea of Chinese people doing Chinese things like doing Kungfu and eating noodles in Chinatown; she couldn't get her head around the concept of Chinese people like me being extremely white on the inside and being very assimilated into British society. I could have taught her a thing about British Chinese people today, we could have had a friendly chat - but sadly, she was too closed minded to learn.
So was this woman a racist? Well, this is the closest we have gotten to a racist and I'm going to say yes I think she is. You see, she isn't one of those black British people who were born here, she was in fact born in Nigeria but moved to the UK when she was already in her 20s. She was highly educated and had a good job, yet she was poorly assimilated into British society, mostly socializing within the Nigerian community in London. She made little effort to make friends with white people and I was probably one of the very few Chinese people she had ever met. In her job, she was indeed working within her community - most of her clients were from the Nigerian diaspora in London and so she was merely wondering if I was doing exactly what she had been doing, "working within your community". I think what she is doing is wrong - if you want to move to the UK, then you jolly well assimilate and make friends with white people, be a part of British society. Why did she bother moving to London then, if all aspects of her life revolved around other Nigerians? Wouldn't she be happier back in Nigeria then? It was this siege mentality, this self-imposed segregation. Nobody told this woman that she couldn't make friends with white or Asian people, yet she showed a great reluctance to do so - so when she noticed that I'm Chinese, she assumed wrongly that I must be hiding in Chinatown, only working with other Chinese people which couldn't be further from the truth. I find her attitude racist, because her unwillingness to assimilate is a form of racism towards other non-black people around her. Gosh, she was so totally unapologetic about refusing to integrate.
Story 7: When are you going back to Singapore?
This happened a few years ago when I was attending a wedding up in the north of England, that's the kind of awkward social situation where you meet a lot of people you don't know for the first time and try to make small talk. So I got into a conversation with an older lady and at first it was all quite polite, talking about the weather, where we were staying for the night and the food we were enjoying at the reception, then she asked me a strange question. "When are you going back to Singapore?" And my initial answer was, "I had only just visited my family back in Singapore earlier this year, so I have no plans to visit them again in the near future, possibly next year or the year after I suppose, but I don't know - I've not thought about it, I guess it depends if work may bring me to that part of the world." And then she said, "no no that's not what I meant." She meant when I was leaving the UK for good, to return to the country where I am from - she had assumed that I was in London temporarily for the purpose of work and that I would eventually return to Singapore when the work was done or when I had made enough money. I had to explain to her that home for me is London, I may be born in Singapore but I have no desire to ever return there apart from as a tourist on a short visit to see my family and old friends. "I'm an immigrant. I'm here to stay - does that bother you?" Of course, she could clearly sense that she had asked the wrong question and made her excuses, like "sorry, I have to go to the bathroom" and we never spoke again.
Since I never got to follow up with that lady who asked the awkward question, I followed this up with my friend Amina, who is also an immigrant like me. She explained it to me this way, "yes I get that too sometimes, people ask me when I am going back to India even though I'm from Pakistan! The fact is a lot of people who do come here for a few years and then leave - say they come here on a student visa for university, they have to leave once they graduate and they can't stay on to work. Not easily anyway. Or they get a work permit to do a job, the work permit is not indefinite - the contract clearly defines how long the work permit is valid for and once that expires, you either leave the UK or you find a way to extend the work permit. May I state the obvious - even if you do manage to get a visa to come here as a student or get a contract which comes with a work permit, it doesn't always lead to permanent residence. That is not easy and especially with this current government, they are not making it easy for people to migrate to this country unless you're a very highly skilled migrant like a doctor or a engineer earning a lot of money. So on one hand, it isn't a completely unreasonable question if you were indeed on a student visa or a work permit, because you would eventually have to leave the UK when either runs out - but if you are clearly already a British citizen, then that's a completely ridiculous question to ask!"
Amina continues, "If she didn't know you well, as you've described you've literally just met this lady at a social event like a wedding, so she had no way of knowing whether you were in the UK on a visa that has an expiry date or whether you were born here or had already naturalized as a British citizen. It's appalling that she can't get into her head that there are non-white British people around, we're not all just short-term visitors who will go back where we came from! If you have just met a person and so you have no idea what their immigration status is, then it is presumptuous to assume that they are short-term visitors, it's presumptuous to assume anything. Why not just ask polite questions to try to show interest in the other person? Oh you live in London, what do you do? How long have you been doing that job, do you enjoy working there? Is it a nice place to work? This isn't rocket science: using simple, open-ended questions like that, you can easily gleam a lot of information whilst showing interest in the other party, you allow the other party to volunteer the information you're after without sounding as if you're from the Home Office and UK Border Agency investigating whether or not you're an illegal immigrant. You want to make polite conversation and not come across as if you're interrogating the other person. Yes she was probably interested in you but she asked all the wrong questions because of her poor social skills: so I don't think she is racist, well I can't say that for sure, but she seems more ignorant and stupid, rather than racist."
Story 8: Where are you from?
I just have to finish with the classic line that most people don't really realize can come across as very racist, 'where are you from?' I would never use a question like that, so for example, I met a lady at my gym the other day called Jana and I thought she had a bit of an Eastern European accent. I wanted to know where she was from so I could see if I could speak her language or not given that I do speak 20 languages. So instead of asking her point blank, "where are you from?" I asked if she spoke Russian to which she replied, "only a little, being Czech I can figure out some Russian." There you go, I got my answer - she is Czech, I got my answer. So why is this question so offensive then? This question implies that the person in question doesn't belong here, so where do you really belong then? There's this brilliant BBC comedy skit which does capture what people like me face all the time - this deliberate 'yes but where are you really from? Where are your grandparents from?' I know exactly what they are getting at but I go out of my way to avoid giving them the answer they want because I just find questions like that highly annoying and offensive. After all, what are you going to do with the answer if I say I'm Chinese - are you going to start speaking to me in Mandarin or Hokkien? I don't think so, so what purpose would telling you my ethnicity serve? Nobody has ever been able to give me a satisfactory answer to that question. You should be more interested in things pertaining directly to me: like what I do for a living, where I had been educated or even what kind of music I enjoy. I exercise choice over the music I listen to, it can tell you a lot about me - but I had no choice over my skin colour. I didn't choose my parents and I didn't choose which country I was born in.
So what is the conclusion I can draw from these stories? Well, I think the scene where Eleanor Young gets ejected from the hotel because of blatant racism is highly exaggerated for comedic purposes and it is just not something you would ever encounter in London today. In the eight stories I shared, in most cases, I was mostly dealing with stupidity and ignorance. I had encountered autistic people with really poor social skills. It was only in stories 6 when the woman was definitely racist and in story 7, I didn't spend enough time with that woman to find out if she was genuinely racist or just plain stupid - she could be either or both, I just don't know for sure. For me, the litmus test is the presence of malice: even if someone said something offensive, did they say it because they were stupid or malicious? Ignorance and malice are not the same thing and I have learnt to tell the difference. However, the kind of old fashioned racism of Chinese people being kicked out of a hotel simply for not being white doesn't exist anymore - you're far more likely to encounter people like that Nigerian lady in story 6 who genuinely believes that people from different races shouldn't and wouldn't mix, or that woman from story 7, who will take one look at the colour of your skin and make all kinds of assumptions based on ethnic stereotypes. But even the Nigerian lady was polite enough when dealing with me - I just found her views about different races keeping to themselves absolutely abhorrent. Her views were very racist, but she didn't act in a hateful, racist manner towards me. Racism can take many shapes and forms, I hope to challenge your perceptions of it.
So there you go, that's it from me. What do you think? Have you ever encountered racism in the West? Are some white people still very racist towards Asians? What have your experiences been like? Can you relate to any of the stories I have told in this piece? Have you met people who are similar to those described in the stories? What about the fact that the only truly racist person I encountered was black and not white - did that surprise you? And how would you react if you met a racist person (as in story 6)? Do let me know what you think, leave a comment below - many thanks for reading!
"Do YOUR people even celebrate Christmas?" Yes, MY people celebrate Christmas the CHRIST way. We are Catholics, you dumb twit. "Where are you from?" "No, I meant, REALLY from?" Well, where are YOU from? No, I meant REALLY from? "You would know this --- what do these Chinese characters mean?" How would I know? I failed Mandarin as a second language for 10 straight years! "What language did you speak in Singapore?" English. What language did you speak in Ireland? "Perhaps you need to take some English lessons." (This one from a brown professor when I made a grammar mistake on a term paper!) I write better than your other white students, you bitch! Would you tell me to take English classes if I were white and made grammar/typo mistakes? I encountered all of these examples. I found them aggravating. The people who made these comments were terribly ignorant.
Hi again Di. I think the key message I had in my piece was the difference between malicious racism and plain stupidity. Of course, it is very possible to come across someone who is both racist and stupid - but in those examples above, I can see a lot of stupidity and poor social skills, but I don't think there's racism in every case. Certainly, I think the most racist example you've given above is the one about English lessons. I had that as well at work, from someone after I made a typo - for crying out aloud, my white, blonde blue eyed husband makes more grammatical mistakes than me in English as he is dyslexic yet no one ever questions English being his first language. I made one typo at work and people think English is my second language. So yes that's definitely racism. But then again, the person who asked if English was my first language had a Thai wife and her English was of the 'me love you long time' variety, I don't judge him for what goes on in his personal life, but don't assume that all Asian people are like your Thai mail order bride.
Of course, likewise here in England too! But I think it is important to know what you're dealing with - if you mistake stupidity for racism, then you may end up thinking, "everyone hates me for the colour of my skin!" But if you recognize that they're just being ignorant and stupid, you will end up thinking, "what an ignorant idiot s/he is", it will lead to a completely different outlook. That's why I think it is important to distinguish between stupidity and racism, I check for malice, that's my litmus test.
The first time I entered UK, I had a bad experience with a black customs official at the airport. But I just assumed she had an attitude problem and it was probably not due to racism.
Hmmm. Let me put this to you please: I was once in a restaurant in Zagreb when I had rude service - but then I witnessed the waiter being equally rude to white local customers. And that was when I realized, oh he's not racist, he's just rude, 'cos he is rude to EVERYBODY. Likewise, in the case of the black person you encountered at the airport, maybe she is rude and nasty to EVERYBODY: black, Asian and white alike? So in that case, she's a rude cunt of course, but is she racist if she's equally nasty to black and white people?
Overall I stopped being self conscious of being surrounded by whites while in London. Apart from the customs official everyone else was race blind.
Same can't be said for China where I experienced lots of subtle racism. As I am sure you know from watching SerpentZA's videos. But East Asians are racists as fuck. With Japan being the no.1 in passive aggressive racism/xenophobia. Lots of no gaijin shops and no speak English (even when you are speaking fluent Japanese to them).
Hi Alex, I was reading this article from failed migrant Ryan with incredulity: http://ricemedia.co/current-affairs-commentary-singaporeans-migrating-australia-perspective/ (feel free to remove link after reading so that you don't give the site undeserving traffic boost)
I bet he is a "foreign talent" in the vein of Gilbert Goh. He could not make it in the country so he blames the politicians, the transport system, cultural differences, everything except himself.
Actually, it wasn't as badly written as Gilbert Goh's usual pile of shite. The fact is if someone has an opinion, I welcome them to express it even if I don't agree with it and he does make some quite valid points about Australia. But whilst there isn't a country in the world that is perfect, how good your life is doesn't depend on the politicians, the transport system, the culture of the country you live in etc - and as you've put it Choaniki, most of it depends on yourself and what you make of yourself. And on that point, I do agree with you Choaniki.
I'll give you some of those points about Australia since I've ever had a friend whose entire family emigrated there but he returned to Singapore shortly. He said he was too bored in Australia since the shops closed so early and he was left with nothing to do.
But when Ryan starts writing about our elderly being active by working in McDonald is where I suspect he has an ulterior motive for his article. Where else have I heard the same before? Was it ex-minister Tan Chuan Jin who said that our elderly who collect cardboard boxes were doing so "as a form of exercise"? Senile Minister GCT who posits, "...first of all, if the old lady and old men do not clean the tables, who are going to clean the tables?" Or this non fake, non-propaganda piece on our local media which points out that the elderly are working to pass time: https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/age-of-golden-workers
I am an active volunteer with the SG Red Cross and visit elderly beneficiaries every month. I know the government is not giving them money or much lesser if they live in a hdb flat with more than 1 room. I know most of them work because they can't afford not too (medical fees piling up and the monthly welfare assistance too little to survive).
Hi Choaniki, thanks for your comment; allow me to respond to your points please:
1. The shops thing never really bothered me as I simply planned my routine around their opening hours - would it kill me not to be able to go shopping at 9:30 pm? Not really. It doesn't bother me. I find other things to do in the late evenings. There are other facilities that are open for entertainment and socialization at that hour - there are in fact some sports facilities that open till 10 pm or even midnight (such as private gyms). In any case, most of us shop online anyway these days as we have access to a far wider selections of goods online than what the shop can physically store within their limited retail space. So that argument really doesn't add up in this day and age.
2. The other problem with our elderly is the whole notion of 'face' - they blame themselves for being poor and feel shame for not being rich enough to retire. That's why they smile, put on a brave face and I remember in this interview, this 80 something old lady claimed that she worked because she liked to 'exercise' and stay active, because staying at home and watching TV was boring. But I was like, goodness me, look how slow you are walking and you're clearing trays in a food court? Good grief. So people like that won't complain and the status quo remains.
3. Thank you and good job for the volunteering. You've got a kind heart.
I mean i have nothing to add about the topic of shops closing early since i had personally experience it when i went to Basingstoke but i found other ways to entertain myself. Maybe my friend had no Aussie friends and didn't know how to find his own entertainment since he was too typically Singaporean. But that was a long time ago and he is still doing well in Singapore.
As for the idea of face, even if I buy this lack of knowledge from Westerners, I can't understand how our politicians, mass media and Ryan Cheng don't know enough to call the bluff of these elderly people. Its obvious they are just choosing to ignore it or plain whitewashing it in their reports.
"Do YOUR people even celebrate Christmas?" Yes, MY people celebrate Christmas the CHRIST way. We are Catholics, you dumb twit.
ReplyDelete"Where are you from?" "No, I meant, REALLY from?" Well, where are YOU from? No, I meant REALLY from?
"You would know this --- what do these Chinese characters mean?" How would I know? I failed Mandarin as a second language for 10 straight years!
"What language did you speak in Singapore?" English. What language did you speak in Ireland?
"Perhaps you need to take some English lessons." (This one from a brown professor when I made a grammar mistake on a term paper!) I write better than your other white students, you bitch! Would you tell me to take English classes if I were white and made grammar/typo mistakes?
I encountered all of these examples. I found them aggravating. The people who made these comments were terribly ignorant.
Hi again Di. I think the key message I had in my piece was the difference between malicious racism and plain stupidity. Of course, it is very possible to come across someone who is both racist and stupid - but in those examples above, I can see a lot of stupidity and poor social skills, but I don't think there's racism in every case. Certainly, I think the most racist example you've given above is the one about English lessons. I had that as well at work, from someone after I made a typo - for crying out aloud, my white, blonde blue eyed husband makes more grammatical mistakes than me in English as he is dyslexic yet no one ever questions English being his first language. I made one typo at work and people think English is my second language. So yes that's definitely racism. But then again, the person who asked if English was my first language had a Thai wife and her English was of the 'me love you long time' variety, I don't judge him for what goes on in his personal life, but don't assume that all Asian people are like your Thai mail order bride.
DeleteMost encounters I have had in Canada stemmed from just plain stupidity and ignorance rather than racism. They are aggravating, nonetheless.
DeleteOf course, likewise here in England too! But I think it is important to know what you're dealing with - if you mistake stupidity for racism, then you may end up thinking, "everyone hates me for the colour of my skin!" But if you recognize that they're just being ignorant and stupid, you will end up thinking, "what an ignorant idiot s/he is", it will lead to a completely different outlook. That's why I think it is important to distinguish between stupidity and racism, I check for malice, that's my litmus test.
DeleteOutage, even unjustified ones, sell stories and movie tixs.
ReplyDeleteThe first time I entered UK, I had a bad experience with a black customs official at the airport. But I just assumed she had an attitude problem and it was probably not due to racism.
ReplyDeleteHmmm. Let me put this to you please: I was once in a restaurant in Zagreb when I had rude service - but then I witnessed the waiter being equally rude to white local customers. And that was when I realized, oh he's not racist, he's just rude, 'cos he is rude to EVERYBODY. Likewise, in the case of the black person you encountered at the airport, maybe she is rude and nasty to EVERYBODY: black, Asian and white alike? So in that case, she's a rude cunt of course, but is she racist if she's equally nasty to black and white people?
DeleteOverall I stopped being self conscious of being surrounded by whites while in London. Apart from the customs official everyone else was race blind.
DeleteSame can't be said for China where I experienced lots of subtle racism. As I am sure you know from watching SerpentZA's videos. But East Asians are racists as fuck. With Japan being the no.1 in passive aggressive racism/xenophobia. Lots of no gaijin shops and no speak English (even when you are speaking fluent Japanese to them).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLt5qSm9U80 for you!
DeleteHi Alex, I was reading this article from failed migrant Ryan with incredulity: http://ricemedia.co/current-affairs-commentary-singaporeans-migrating-australia-perspective/
ReplyDelete(feel free to remove link after reading so that you don't give the site undeserving traffic boost)
I bet he is a "foreign talent" in the vein of Gilbert Goh. He could not make it in the country so he blames the politicians, the transport system, cultural differences, everything except himself.
Actually, it wasn't as badly written as Gilbert Goh's usual pile of shite. The fact is if someone has an opinion, I welcome them to express it even if I don't agree with it and he does make some quite valid points about Australia. But whilst there isn't a country in the world that is perfect, how good your life is doesn't depend on the politicians, the transport system, the culture of the country you live in etc - and as you've put it Choaniki, most of it depends on yourself and what you make of yourself. And on that point, I do agree with you Choaniki.
DeleteI'll give you some of those points about Australia since I've ever had a friend whose entire family emigrated there but he returned to Singapore shortly. He said he was too bored in Australia since the shops closed so early and he was left with nothing to do.
DeleteBut when Ryan starts writing about our elderly being active by working in McDonald is where I suspect he has an ulterior motive for his article. Where else have I heard the same before? Was it ex-minister Tan Chuan Jin who said that our elderly who collect cardboard boxes were doing so "as a form of exercise"? Senile Minister GCT who posits, "...first of all, if the old lady and old men do not clean the tables, who are going to clean the tables?" Or this non fake, non-propaganda piece on our local media which points out that the elderly are working to pass time:
https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/age-of-golden-workers
I am an active volunteer with the SG Red Cross and visit elderly beneficiaries every month. I know the government is not giving them money or much lesser if they live in a hdb flat with more than 1 room. I know most of them work because they can't afford not too (medical fees piling up and the monthly welfare assistance too little to survive).
Hi Choaniki, thanks for your comment; allow me to respond to your points please:
Delete1. The shops thing never really bothered me as I simply planned my routine around their opening hours - would it kill me not to be able to go shopping at 9:30 pm? Not really. It doesn't bother me. I find other things to do in the late evenings. There are other facilities that are open for entertainment and socialization at that hour - there are in fact some sports facilities that open till 10 pm or even midnight (such as private gyms). In any case, most of us shop online anyway these days as we have access to a far wider selections of goods online than what the shop can physically store within their limited retail space. So that argument really doesn't add up in this day and age.
2. The other problem with our elderly is the whole notion of 'face' - they blame themselves for being poor and feel shame for not being rich enough to retire. That's why they smile, put on a brave face and I remember in this interview, this 80 something old lady claimed that she worked because she liked to 'exercise' and stay active, because staying at home and watching TV was boring. But I was like, goodness me, look how slow you are walking and you're clearing trays in a food court? Good grief. So people like that won't complain and the status quo remains.
3. Thank you and good job for the volunteering. You've got a kind heart.
I mean i have nothing to add about the topic of shops closing early since i had personally experience it when i went to Basingstoke but i found other ways to entertain myself. Maybe my friend had no Aussie friends and didn't know how to find his own entertainment since he was too typically Singaporean. But that was a long time ago and he is still doing well in Singapore.
DeleteAs for the idea of face, even if I buy this lack of knowledge from Westerners, I can't understand how our politicians, mass media and Ryan Cheng don't know enough to call the bluff of these elderly people. Its obvious they are just choosing to ignore it or plain whitewashing it in their reports.
I meant to say, elderly people have a habit telling themselves whatever they wish to believe and somehow tuning out any evidence to the contrary.
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