This story has well and truly divided social media - on one hand, you have people lashing out at the Chinese tourists who were too cheap to book an extra night at the hostel. If they were rich enough to travel to Sweden, why were they staying at a cheap hostel and trying to talk their way into getting an extra night for free? Didn't they realize that the standard check in time at most hotels is around 2 pm, even in China? Did they think that they were going to be able to check-in anytime on the same calendar day and save money like that? Even if it was a genuine mistake, couldn't they have just paid for one more night or ask the staff to help them find another room elsewhere? And if Mr Zeng was responsible for taking care of his parents on this trip, how could he be so cheap and careless, leading to this situation happening? Thus many people on social media were blaming Mr Zeng for what had happened. Then of course, there were others on social media who blamed the Swedish police for being too heavy handed in the way the elderly parents were carried out of the hotel despite them being clearly in distress. I have a feeling that most of these people didn't even know the details of what happened in this case, but just jumped to the conclusion that the Swedish police were beating up Chinese people because they were racist (yeah, that's why social media drives me nuts - it is mostly populated by idiots). You see, these people are suffering from confirmation bias: they assume that white people are racist and they use any kind of evidence they come across to use as confirmation of their theories. And of course, because I struggle to read Chinese, my Chinese sucks: I don't go on Chinese social media and I am reading this mostly in English: it is not people in China who are posting things like that but rather English-speaking Chinese people in places like Singapore, Malaysia and HK.
I think the most disturbing post I read was a rant from a Singaporean woman who claimed that the Swedish police were racist towards Chinese people because they looked down on China - she then wrote an incredibly long, incoherent rant (in Singlish) about how China is the world's most powerful country, that China will dominate the world's economy in the future and how the policemen in Sweden are so poor they will never be able to afford a holiday in China, whilst this Chinese family are indeed rich enough to have a holiday in Sweden even if they weren't staying in a high class hotel. I didn't want to pick a fight with her on social media - I have much better things to do than to argue with someone who was clearly uneducated, bigoted and ignorant; but I want to lay out a few basic facts about this ridiculous assumption that so many Chinese and Singaporeans make about European people being racist. For those of you who are not familiar with my blog, I was born in Singapore: I spent the first 21 years of my life and the next 21 years in Europe, I'm now 42 years old so I am in a very good position to be a good judge of whether or not these accusations have any basis and of course, I have to say, they are complete bullshit. There are some pretty disturbing reasons why that Singaporean woman would project her own insecurities and try to seek confirmation of her very warped point of view from this incident in Stockholm.
Has racism got anything to do with what happened in Stockholm? Of course not. The hostel had the right to allow or refuse people who wish to camp overnight in their lobby - imagine if it was considered a public space, then the lobbies of all the nicest hotels in town would be full of homeless people who wish to sleep on the comfortable sofas for the night, especially in a place like Sweden where the winters can be very cold. No, hotels are in fact private property and they have the right to choose whom they allow to come into the hotel - usually, in most busy hotels, nobody would stop you if you were to walk into the lobby, perhaps you're there to visit a gift shop or eat at one of their restaurants so we're just quite used to coming and going from hotels unchallenged, whether or not we're actually staying there. Most hotels would have everything from restaurants to spas to cafes to gift shops, so they are quite used to people coming in and out of the hotel; hence so in general, hotels tend to be very relaxed about the lobby area, but that doesn't change the fact that they still have the right to extend or withdraw permission when it comes to people camping overnight in their lobbies. The Zeng family had simply refused to see things from the point of view of the hotel or the police - that's simply not the way you solve any kind of problem or resolve any kind of conflict and I don't know if it is cultural, but I have met a lot of Chinese people who come across as very autistic in the way they simply refuse to see the other person's point of view.
Mr Zeng had absolutely no dignity in the way he just sat down on the pavement in Stockholm and cried loudly like a baby when he didn't get his way. Good grief. Doesn't he have any sense of shame? Look, there are ways and means to reason with a hotel when things don't go right and crying loudly like a baby is not the way sensible people do things. When I was in Barcelona earlier this year, I had requested a change of room as the room I was initially given was very noisy - the front desk staff told me to pack up my luggage and the housekeeping lady would move my bags to the new room whilst I was at my conference. When I returned to the hotel that night, I realized that my laptop had been damaged and I accused the housekeeping lady of damaging it when she moved my bags - there was no CCTV of her dropping my bags and it was my word versus her. I got an apology and an offer of a discount towards my next stay at the hotel - I didn't accept it, I said no, I want compensation and they said we'll get back to you on that. So I went on the offensive and left them several bad reviews online to get their attention, it worked: we negotiated a 'compensation' for my laptop (not of the full value as it was an old laptop but it was a reasonable figure) and in exchange, I would withdraw the bad reviews. I got what I wanted, they paid up, I removed the bad reviews and I was very satisfied with the outcome despite the fact that I really had no solid evidence to blame on the housekeeping lady. That's how you resolve a dispute with a hotel - you don't use tears or tantrums, you use social media. Mind you, I had resolved a similar dispute with a restaurant in London the very same way - I got a full refund, plus a free dinner for two in exchange for simply withdrawing a few bad reviews.
The one thing that does irk me is the way that the Chinese tourists played the race card, then so many people went along with it, assuming that it was racism rather than questioning the dishonest and poor behaviour of the Chinese tourists. This is very clearly demonstrated by a video taken by a bystander who witnessed the incident and filmed it (see below): in this video, Mr Zeng screaming and shouting in the streets, when the Swedish policewoman approached him to calm him down and to reason with him, he fell to the ground crying loudly. Mr Zeng then had the audacity to claim that he was being beaten by the police, whilst the video had clearly shown that this wasn't the case at all - but it was bad acting on his part to try to justify his claim of police brutality. It was clear that the Swedish police and the hostel in question had done absolutely nothing wrong and the fault lay entirely with the Zeng family. However, when it is clear that you're entirely at fault, Chinese people like to play the race card which is entirely ludicrous - the fact that there had been an outpouring of anger in China against Sweden and the Chinese government had even taken this family's complaint seriously is shameful. It shows that Chinese people are not only irrational and unreasonable, but they have a huge chip on their shoulders when it comes to comparing themselves to their white counterparts in the West. This whole incident makes Chinese people look really bad and you wonder why so many countries have a terrible impression of Chinese tourists.
Should people who stay at cheap hostels be treated like crap by the staff? When I was much younger, I had the experience of backpacking my way around Sri Lanka using only public transport. I suffered from severe food poisoning, was bitten by an insane amount of insects and got lost so many times - yet the genuine hospitality of the people was one of the highlights of the trip. I didn't stay in particularly nice guest houses and no the service wasn't great at times. Gosh, I remember once I turned up at the guest house in Unawatuna beach and there was nobody there - I wandered down the road and asked a man in a shop if he knew where the owner was, he spoke little English but I think this must have happened quite a few times already - he made a phone call to the owner of the guesthouse and sure enough, within 15 minutes the owner came back. I could have been upset but I was just grateful to the man at the shop and I made sure I spent some money at his shop. Yeah, that would have never happened if I had stayed in a 5-star hotel, but that's the kind of thing that comes with the territory when you decide to rough it and go budget. I was a strong young man then (with a full head of hair in those photos), I'm not sure I want to do that kind of holiday again today. Nonetheless, there is a direct correlation between the quality of the service and the amount of money you pay. A 5-star resort will have staff available to help you 24 hours a day, whilst a guesthouse in a remote Sri Lankan beach is run by one old man who may disappear for a few hours on end: you get what you pay for and this has absolutely nothing to do with your skin colour or racism.
Some Chinese people have criticized the way the elderly parents were carried out of the hostel in Stockholm - but allow me to be the voice of reason. The elderly parents had the opportunity to walk calmly out of the hostel when the staff asked them to; by the time the police were called, it had become evidently clear that they were not going to be allowed to stay for the night as they had abused and exhausted whatever goodwill there was from the staff there. But what did they have to gain by being uncooperative and difficult with the police? Would they have dared to have behaved like that in China, where the police are a lot more heavy handed than the Swedish police? Heck, the police in China would not have hesitated to have been a lot more rough with them. Should we then allow the elderly to be disruptive and create a ruckus in the middle of the night? No, the elderly have to obey the law like everyone else and being old doesn't give you the right to bend or break the rules. The Zeng parents should have been jailed for being so uncooperative and disruptive and I really don't give a fuck that they're old - their behaviour is disgraceful. This is what I utterly despise about Chinese culture where respect is given unconditionally to the elderly: that's plain stupid! This aspect of Chinese culture is seriously fucked up. If the elderly wanna behave like the Zengs, then they are not worthy of respect - let me be the first to kick them out and I'd gladly throw them into the cold streets of Stockholm. In the West, respect is earned, not given away unconditionally to the people who don't deserve it: you don't get away with stupid shit like that just because you're old.
Has my father ever suffered any racism? No, not at all - but let me give you an example of how some people choose to play the race card when it is clearly their fault. In 1985, we were on holiday in Las Vegas when we frequented this restaurant at the hotel we were staying in. There was a salad bar and if you ordered a main course like a steak or the roast chicken, you could help yourself to a bowl of salad. However, if you only ordered say a slice of cake, a bowl of soup or a sandwich, then you would have to pay extra for a visit to the salad bar. My father had assumed that as long as you order something, you could go help yourself to the salad bar - so one day when we were in there for lunch, we had placed our orders and none of us had ordered a main course that came with a free salad. My father then disappeared to the toilet and returned with a bowl of salad - when the waiter returned with our food, he politely apologized and said, "I'm terribly sorry but I'm going to have to charge you for that salad as you didn't order a main course." Oh boy, that made my father so angry. Did my father admit that he was confused about when you could get a free salad and when you had to pay for it? Nope, he placed all the blame on the poor waiter and said that if we had been white, we would have gotten the salad for free but he charged us extra and was rude to us because we were Chinese. Of course, none of my father's racist allegations were true - it was lie, after lie, after lie and yet the fact that the rest of the family were there and witnessed exactly what happened didn't stop him from reshaping the story to suit his narrative that white people in America are racists when really, nothing that happened in that Las Vegas restaurant had anything to do with racism.
My father can't read English (the same way I can't read Chinese), usually when he has an official letter that comes to him from say the bank or the government, he would give it to someone like my mother or my sister and ask them to translate it for him. So going back to the Las Vegas restaurant, they had photographs in the menu, so the tourists who struggled with English could just point to the photo of the dish they wanted to order without having to speak any English to the waiter. I was 9 years old when we were in that Las Vegas restaurant and even then, I did try to explain to my father why he was mistaken about the salad. But of course, it boiled down to the fact that even as a 9 year old kid, I was able to read an understand a menu in English and my father couldn't as a grown man - it was a source of embarrassment and shame for him. Thus rather than admit that he should have consulted his children over the menu which he couldn't read, he chose to believe that he was a blameless victim of racism which is of course, totally ludicrous as there wasn't any racism involved in that incident at all. My father's actions were downright stupid because the salad only costed a few dollars - it was not like we couldn't afford it and it was a very nice salad I would have gladly paid for. Yet he chose to let the memory of that event taint what would have been a very nice family vacation - so when people asked him, "how was your long holiday in America?" He would tell that story instead of talking about the many fun things we did in America.
There's one more point I wanted to address: can a Swedish police officer like the ones as seen in the video afford a holiday in China? The answer is yes, definitely. The average annual salary of a police officer like that in Sweden is high: the starting annual salary is about 325,000 SEK (equivalent of £28,200 or S$50,000) rising to 558,000 SEK (equivalent £48,500 or S$86,500) - you see, Sweden is a very left-wing, socialist country and that ensures that people like the police are very well paid compared to their counterparts elsewhere. It is one of the best countries to be a police officer as you're unlikely to find better conditions elsewhere and on that salary (with 25 days of paid vacation a year), yes they can easily afford an exotic holiday in China. The key cost is the flight to get from Sweden to China - after that, prices are generally low and quite affordable in China for Swedish tourists. On the other hand, in China, the salaries of the police varies: you get paid more in a big city like Shenzhen or Beijing, compared to the counterparts working in remote villages in the countryside but they are shockingly poor compared to their Swedish counterparts, with some making about 28,000 RMB a year, or £3,150 or S$5,550. Thus it is highly unlikely that a policeman in China would ever be able to afford a trip to a country like Sweden, where prices are generally a lot higher than you would find in China. No, they probably would never be able to travel abroad on a policeman's salary in China. So let's not forget that despite China's impressive recent economic advances, Sweden is still a country that is much richer than China and China has a very long way to catch up.
Before I finish, I just want to mention Gui Minhai - a naturalized Swedish citizen who has been kidnapped by the Chinese government and the Dalai Lama's recent visit to Sweden. This isn't the first incident that has sparked friction between Sweden and China, but it does seem that Beijing has overacted over this incident and many have seen this as the last straw that broke the camel's back. So that's it from me on this issue, what do you think about this story? Have you ever encountered ugly Chinese tourists abroad? How do you think the Swedish police handled this incident? Why do so many Chinese people have such a chip on their shoulders when it comes to assuming that white people look down on them? And seriously, like what the fuck is wrong with Chinese society, how can anyone offer any kind of sympathy or support to the disgusting Zeng family? Let me know what you think and leave a comment below please. Many thanks for reading.
Please! Anyone who was even stayed once at a hotel know that check-ins are in the afternoons. Here, it is 4:00 pm. Sometimes, I arrive early, like 3:00 pm and get in right away because the room is ready. Simple solution: pay the extra night or get them to help you get a room elsewhere. Chinese idiot shames himself and his race.
Good grief, as if anything can be achieved by crying like that? I've seen children at the age of 4 or 5 who have more advanced social skills, who know how to get what they want through manipulating people rather than just crying. That's what babies do. This is why I say Chinese people tend to have really shit social skills.
I not trying to defend the Chinese but instead trying to understand where they are coming from. In their own country, it is common to compete for everything. Simple matter like queuing in line is something foreign to them. They are never taught that being polite is good, being polite does not get you anywhere in life. Laws are meant to be broken, many things can be solved through guang xi. They are conditioned to believe many officials are corrupt and can be brought easily. Their behavior is just what is required to survive life in China. They are a product of the system.
I think you're talking about a quite extreme stereotype of people from the Communist era. I have worked with people from China, I have friends from China, I was in China earlier this year - I have actually met loads of nice Chinese people over the years who are not as you have described above.
I doubt you'll get very far in China by crying the way they did or by throwing tantrums. This kind of behaviour won't work in China - it won't work anywhere. Look, I was in the supermarket yesterday and I saw a mother and young son: the son wanted this silly colourful magazine and the mother was like, no you won't read it, it's too difficult for you. I'm just going to buy it for you, you'll spend 2 minutes reading it and throw it aside. She probably has a valid point about his reading ability, but he didn't have a cogent argument to convince his mother. "BUT I WANT IT!" And he started screaming and crying on the supermarket floor, so loudly until the staff came round and thought someone was getting hurt. There was no attempt at negotiation but of course, many young kids have no social skills at all. They don't know how to manipulate their parents into giving them what they want. A more intelligent child would have gone down the route of this-for-that: if you buy me that magazine mummy, I promise I will _______________ (something that the mother has wanted the child to do for a while). I was just laughing at the incident as I thought, geez just get the child the magazine, reading is good for children! It's not like he wanted chocolate or junk food!
So despite the system you've talked about, some people in China do emerge with better social skills than others. We often talk about how autistic people have no social skills, well I believe some people are either born with better social skills or like me, they train hard to make sure they have above average social skills as you need those social skills to get through life in our complex world.
Hello again after a long time. Yes, I feel that Chinese tourists have this inflated sense of entitlement and live by the notion that the customer is always right aka Limpeh is customer, limpeh is king. Sure you can have lotsa money, China is very rich, but you cant buy class and decency. As if waving a fat wad of money in your face is going to make this right. This is not the last we hear of this.
The thing is these tourists aren't exactly rich - they booked themselves into a 2-star hostel, they're not rich! I know Sweden is an expensive place to visit, but they should have done their research before deciding to visit Sweden. The fact is these tourists are not rich and their country isn't rich either - sure there are some rich people in China today but the number of poor outnumber the rich by about 2:1 - that's why I question the people who are offering the Zeng family any kind of support.
Ah, apologies. Let me clarify better, referring to to this context in my post: ' I think the most disturbing post I read was a rant from a Singaporean woman...'
She thinks Chinese money makes you the biggest deal around.
Exactly. But even if there are rich people in China, what the heck has that got to do with her - a woman in Singapore? The fact is she is trying to get people to respect her for something she didn't do, that's claiming credit for something that has nothing to do with you. Hence the title of this blog post: if this Singaporean woman wants respect, she has to do something to earn it from people, she can't just say, "people in China today are rich, so you must respect me". It doesn't work like that.
They are being cheapskates. I lost count of the number of times i checked in past midnight to leave at 6am to catch a transit flight. Yes, i still pay full rates even though i stay less than a half the time.
Being cheapskate is not restricted to Chinese, there are lots of Indian who like asking for discounts.
As for whether they would get away with it in China, surprisingly yes. Depending on the amount of fuss the customer makes, the owner would either give in to keep a customer or to get rid of them faster.
What they don't realize is that every night you stay in a hotel room, the establishment is paying for the maintenance of it as if it has been occupied for a full day. So, even if you had stayed for 6 hours vs 10 hours, the cleaners are paid the same wages.
Please! Anyone who was even stayed once at a hotel know that check-ins are in the afternoons. Here, it is 4:00 pm. Sometimes, I arrive early, like 3:00 pm and get in right away because the room is ready.
ReplyDeleteSimple solution: pay the extra night or get them to help you get a room elsewhere.
Chinese idiot shames himself and his race.
Good grief, as if anything can be achieved by crying like that? I've seen children at the age of 4 or 5 who have more advanced social skills, who know how to get what they want through manipulating people rather than just crying. That's what babies do. This is why I say Chinese people tend to have really shit social skills.
DeleteI not trying to defend the Chinese but instead trying to understand where they are coming from. In their own country, it is common to compete for everything. Simple matter like queuing in line is something foreign to them. They are never taught that being polite is good, being polite does not get you anywhere in life. Laws are meant to be broken, many things can be solved through guang xi. They are conditioned to believe many officials are corrupt and can be brought easily. Their behavior is just what is required to survive life in China. They are a product of the system.
ReplyDeleteI think you're talking about a quite extreme stereotype of people from the Communist era. I have worked with people from China, I have friends from China, I was in China earlier this year - I have actually met loads of nice Chinese people over the years who are not as you have described above.
DeleteI doubt you'll get very far in China by crying the way they did or by throwing tantrums. This kind of behaviour won't work in China - it won't work anywhere. Look, I was in the supermarket yesterday and I saw a mother and young son: the son wanted this silly colourful magazine and the mother was like, no you won't read it, it's too difficult for you. I'm just going to buy it for you, you'll spend 2 minutes reading it and throw it aside. She probably has a valid point about his reading ability, but he didn't have a cogent argument to convince his mother. "BUT I WANT IT!" And he started screaming and crying on the supermarket floor, so loudly until the staff came round and thought someone was getting hurt. There was no attempt at negotiation but of course, many young kids have no social skills at all. They don't know how to manipulate their parents into giving them what they want. A more intelligent child would have gone down the route of this-for-that: if you buy me that magazine mummy, I promise I will _______________ (something that the mother has wanted the child to do for a while). I was just laughing at the incident as I thought, geez just get the child the magazine, reading is good for children! It's not like he wanted chocolate or junk food!
So despite the system you've talked about, some people in China do emerge with better social skills than others. We often talk about how autistic people have no social skills, well I believe some people are either born with better social skills or like me, they train hard to make sure they have above average social skills as you need those social skills to get through life in our complex world.
Hello again after a long time. Yes, I feel that Chinese tourists have this inflated sense of entitlement and live by the notion that the customer is always right aka Limpeh is customer, limpeh is king. Sure you can have lotsa money, China is very rich, but you cant buy class and decency. As if waving a fat wad of money in your face is going to make this right. This is not the last we hear of this.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is these tourists aren't exactly rich - they booked themselves into a 2-star hostel, they're not rich! I know Sweden is an expensive place to visit, but they should have done their research before deciding to visit Sweden. The fact is these tourists are not rich and their country isn't rich either - sure there are some rich people in China today but the number of poor outnumber the rich by about 2:1 - that's why I question the people who are offering the Zeng family any kind of support.
DeleteAh, apologies. Let me clarify better, referring to to this context in my post:
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I think the most disturbing post I read was a rant from a Singaporean woman...'
She thinks Chinese money makes you the biggest deal around.
Exactly. But even if there are rich people in China, what the heck has that got to do with her - a woman in Singapore? The fact is she is trying to get people to respect her for something she didn't do, that's claiming credit for something that has nothing to do with you. Hence the title of this blog post: if this Singaporean woman wants respect, she has to do something to earn it from people, she can't just say, "people in China today are rich, so you must respect me". It doesn't work like that.
DeleteThey are being cheapskates. I lost count of the number of times i checked in past midnight to leave at 6am to catch a transit flight. Yes, i still pay full rates even though i stay less than a half the time.
ReplyDeleteIs this habit of being cheapskates associated with Chinese culture though? Would they get away with this in China?
DeleteBeing cheapskate is not restricted to Chinese, there are lots of Indian who like asking for discounts.
DeleteAs for whether they would get away with it in China, surprisingly yes. Depending on the amount of fuss the customer makes, the owner would either give in to keep a customer or to get rid of them faster.
True. I have witnessed some awful behaviour from Russian tourists before.
DeleteSomething to do with scarcity of the ex-communist countries.
DeleteWhat they don't realize is that every night you stay in a hotel room, the establishment is paying for the maintenance of it as if it has been occupied for a full day. So, even if you had stayed for 6 hours vs 10 hours, the cleaners are paid the same wages.
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