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British society is still very much divided by class. |
Well, I think there's a huge difference between say a lecturer at a top university and primary school teachers and my parents were the latter, not by choice. It was not like they particularly enjoyed teaching younger children, rather their highest academic qualification apart from their teaching diploma was the equivalent of O levels, so that meant the only teaching job the MOE would let them do was teach in a primary school. That's right, back in the early 1960s when my parents qualified as teachers, you only need the equivalent of O levels to start training as a teacher as the general standard of education was pretty low back in those days and thus you can't measure it by our modern standards or compare it to the demands the MOE makes of teachers in 2017. So I think my parents did pretty well for themselves in getting themselves a white-collar civil service job that paid well and gave them a decent pension and even if you want to label their jobs as white collar, to all intents and purposes, they behaved and lived pretty much like blue collar folks.
One aspect of white collar people is their aspiration and that's one thing that my father totally lacked - his stubborn refusal to learn English or even attempt to speak it is an extremely blue collar trait. He has a total lack of interest in the world beyond his immediate community and culturally, he would have far more in common with a typical blue collar worker today (such as a postman, a bus driver, a supermarket worker) than a young primary school teacher in Singapore today. However, I don't think my father ever thought of his class identity - it just wasn't an issue for people like him: if you never ever meet a person of a different social class, then it is surprisingly easy for someone like him to be totally oblivious to the concept of social class. I remember trying to tell him how British people would look at little details such as the way you dressed or the way you spoke to try to determine your social class and my dad was totally confused. He said, "but surely everyone wears modern fashion these days, how can you tell and why would you do that?" I suppose his autism made him blissfully unaware of the opinions of others - it is impossible to teach him anything about the world.
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Do you care about the opinions of others? |
You know what the irony is? My father had a relatively privileged upbringing in Malaysia and came from a family rich enough to send him to study in Singapore - that was a luxury that many of his peers never had. You see, his family was from a relatively small town in Johor where there wasn't a secondary school then, so when children finished their primary school education, they either simply dropped out of former education (we're talking about the late 1940s in Malaysia here) or they were sent off to a bigger city like Singapore, Johor Bahru or Kuala Lumpur to continue their secondary education. So the fact that my father's family was rich enough to do that proved that they weren't poor at all, they were in fact pretty darn rich for they sent a number of my father's siblings away for secondary education like that - something few families in that town could have afforded to do. Thus in my father's mind, he was already middle class and white collar because he remembers how much more privileged he was compared to his peers back in his hometown. That's how he felt as a child growing up and he never changed that mindset - he is comfortable seeing what he wants to see.
Thus it is really hard to try to put my parents into the category of white or blue collar, working class or middle class. They showed characteristics of both sides of the divide - I suppose if you were to measure them by 1960s Singaporean standards, then they were probably white collar, middle class folks. But if you were to measure them by modern standards today, then they're definitely blue collar, working class folks. Everything is relative I suppose, back in the late 1940s, in the post war years, British Malaya was still recovering from the ravages of WW2, so within that context my father's family then was practically posh by late 1940s Malaysian standards, they were rich, they owed land and could afford the best education - he never thought about comparing himself with the richest Americans or British people in those days as their social paths never crossed. But for myself, I am directly comparing myself to the British aristocrats in London today and feeling somewhat inadequate when I consider my humble roots having grown up in Ang Mo Kio. My father has been quite comfortable being top dog in his community, whereas my social circles are completely different as I work in corporate finance in London - so it is unfair to make any kind of comparison and I am not passing any judgement.
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My world is extremely different from my parents'. |
So as you can imagine, growing up, my parents did little to try to shape my identity as middle class - don't get me wrong, they did make some efforts. For example, my mother insisted that my siblings and I all had to learn how to play the piano. Now that's an extremely bourgeois choice on her part, but did she do it to try to make us more cultured? Well, not exactly - rather, she had always wanted to do it herself but felt it was too hard for her, so she decided to make her children do it on her behalf. Yet apart from the piano lessons, well there was nothing else - my parents' social circle did not extend beyond their relatives and colleagues, all of whom shared very similar social backgrounds with my parents. I became more and more aware of this when I met classmates who parents had white collar jobs like investment bankers, lawyers, doctors and scientists. I also watched quite a lot of TV as a child growing up, so by the time I was around 13, I realized that I was probably at quite a disadvantage when it came to my social background as I had pretty much been raised as a working class kid in Ang Mo Kio, regardless of what category you wished to place my parents in.
The rich kids at school had parents who were well connected - they were taken on fancy holidays where they were taught how to appreciate foreign culture. Me, I didn't even know how to hold a knife and fork properly as we never ate like that in my family. It was incredible that I even did well at English at school given that my father refused to speak any English at all and my mother's Singlish was questionable at the best of time. (Yes my mother got away with speaking Singlish and not English as a primary school teacher for four decades but she was hardly the only one from her generation guilty of that.) But thankfully, one thing my mother did right was that she insisted that I read a lot of books: I think she believed it would improve my English but it did more than that - reading a lot made me realize thee was a much bigger world out there. I devoured books from British and American authors as a teenager and learnt a lot from reading about the world out there - something my parents never did. Yes they read the newspaper when they had the time, but I had never seen them actually reading a book at all and don't get me even started on the internet and social media.
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Social media - my parents have no idea what it is. |
You know the saying, ignorance is bliss and that was pretty much my parents' case: they didn't realize just how working class they were as they had no concept of class. Whereas having read so many books about social class, I desperately aspired to be middle class whilst painfully realizing that I was extremely working class. Heck, I totally lacked class and sophistication as a teenager and that bothered me. I had a very low self-esteem then anyway and this was yet another aspect of my life that I didn't know how to fix. There wasn't a book in the library entitled, "how to become classy and sophisticated even though you are working class scum". No, instead I read books about beautiful people with such glamorous lives but there was no instruction manual as to how to become like those beautiful people. May I remind you that this was the pre-internet era, trying to gleam information like that was a lot harder in those days and I felt confused, frustrated and annoyed. I really didn't want to end up like my parents yet I wasn't sure how I was going to avoid that fate.
I suppose going into NS provided temporary relieve from that problem - you see in NS, you wanted to blend in and keep a low profile. Pretentious guys who tried to show off how classy they were usually became targets of bullying and the fact that I lacked any kind of sophistication then worked in my favour. NS presented a whole different set of social challenges, about settling into a new environment, learning to get along with people I had nothing in common with and you know the saying, every cloud has its silver lining. Whilst I had to deal with many difficult people in NS, I actually learnt an awful lot in NS about handling difficult people. It was a sink or swim situation and I actually learnt how to swim: either you learnt to get along with these difficult people or you end up totally isolated, bullied and miserable. I'm like the contestant who goes into Survivor and ends up making the most unlikely alliances with contestants he has nothing in common with. I left NS feeling a helluva lot more confident in my ability to get along with people - it was not something the SAF taught me, oh no, I'm not giving them credit for that. I have to take full credit for having figured it out under very difficult circumstances.
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I actually learnt a lot in my NS days about human relationships. |
I then moved to the UK to start university in 1997 after getting a scholarship to UCL. Immediately, I was in a course with posh students from really privileged backgrounds. When I sat down and chatted with my new friends, I realized I had so little in common with them - for example, I had never gone skiing as a child and never gone sailing, those were the kinds of things that rich people did. Their parents took an active interest in their careers whilst my father didn't even know which university in the UK I was studying at, since he didn't speak English. I suppose when you're thrown in that kind of situation, there are two ways that one would typically react: the first would to completely embrace whom you are, become unapologetically working class with a certain bravado, "yeah I'm working class - you have a problem with that? What's wrong with being working class?" The other would be to feel ashamed of being working class and pretend to be middle class - I don't know why I chose that option, it wasn't even a conscious decision. I was an outsider coming into British society and I was given the opportunity to redefine myself, I didn't want to insert myself into the lowest rung of the hierarchy, to be at the very bottom of the food chain! I knew I could never at least be at the top, but I could be in the middle and that began a long exercise to understand the rules of the game, how the British social class system worked.
I guess my point is that for all the misgivings one may have about British society in light of what was revealed through the Grenfell Tower disaster, I did manage to succeed despite having the odds stacked against me. I was an working class Asian immigrant who came to the UK, yet after 20 years, I am effectively middle class by any definition you wish to use: be it in my social circles I move around in, in the amount of wealth I have, by the kind of education I have had or my social habits. What does this say about social mobility - is it really that easy to cross the social class divide in the UK? Clearly not - that's why we still have so many poor people living in the UK today and the divide between the rich and the poor is getting wider all the time. So how did I manage to cross the huge class divide when so many others who were born and bred in this country struggled and fail? I would like to think that I'm simply smarter than everyone else - but even I have to admit that's simply not the case. Instead, I think I owe my success to a certain mindset and discipline I picked up as a gymnast. Please have a look at this training video below for a skill called the toe-on toe-off to handstand:
Taking such an approach to complex problems may be nothing new - say when you do a degree, you probably try not to think about how you're going to accumulate enough knowledge and skills to pass those final exams, you're probably just taking it one essay, one project, one assignment, one topic at a time. However, that's a well trodden path - loads of people go through a 3 or 4 year programme at university and emerge the other end as graduates. But wait, what if you had to take on a difficult, complex challenge that has never ever been done before by anyone else - would you have the self-confidence to spend months, even years working on it, with enough faith in yourself that you will succeed in the end? You'll be amazed how many people actually would back away from something like that, simply because they are so risk-averse they would rather stick to a tried-and-test formula that has been done by many others before. That is why those who do have the balls to do something like that usually either succeed or they crash and burn - it is whether you want to take the risky route or the safe. You've heard the saying, no pain no gain - one of my favourite gymnasts of all time is Svetlana Khorkina of Russia because she is one of the most innovative gymnasts of her time and has invented so many skills that are named after her. If I hadn't grown up in this kind of environment where risk-taking and originality is valued and rewarded, I think would be quite a different kind of adult today. Some people would give in to the mindset of, "no one in my family has gone to university before so I can't it", whilst I prefer Khorkina's attitude, "no one in the world has done this skill before because everyone thought it was impossible - watch and learn, I'll be the first gymnast in the world to do this new skill." I had been very fortunate to have trained with some incredibly gutsy, ambitious gymnasts over the years.
I assume that he would have returned to Singapore after he graduated and be given a job as part of his scholarship bond - no doubt he would be successful in his job and would have made a lot of money. But would he ever cross the social divide and become effectively middle class? I think that's a moot point - even if someone like that makes millions of dollars, there's a special class for people like that: creepy loner, weirdo freak - call it what you want, whether he is working or middle class is totally irrelevant. After all, us humans, we're social creatures and we crave a sense of belonging with people we identify with. If you follow me on Instagram, you will see that I was at the Henley Royal Regatta this week and that's the kind of social event that not just the elites of British social would hang out. And it is not just being able to afford a ticket - you see, it is a social event: you don't go there on your own, you would usually be invited there by someone who has booked a VIP area in an enclosure and you would need to have some pretty rich and posh friends to move around in those kinds of social circles. I work in banking, I have some extremely rich and posh clients and business partners thus one of them invited me there. Even if our maths scholar from Singapore wanted to attend an event like that, well, he could, I suppose, turn up on his own and book a table in an expensive restaurant in the area - but that's as far as his money can take him without the social connections. His money could buy him his things like cars and fancy holidays, but his money will never buy him social connections and social mobility to be accepted by the upper or middle classes.
Wait a minute, your parents might have working class mentalities but since they stayed in private apartments that would hardly categorise them as working class at all!
ReplyDeleteOn the other had, my dad had lived in a HDB all his life and i remembered even living in one of those 1 room HDB rental flat when i was younger. However, he is considered rich now as he owns several properties in KL and god knows where else. But you look at his dressing and his HDB flat (total dump full of useless stuff which he hoards) you would think he is a poor hawker or some other working class lout!
Correction: my parents lived in terraced houses (not private apartments/condos) and it was a combination of a few factors that made it possible for them to afford it.
Delete1. Teachers had much, much better packages in those days - I spoke to a friend who is currently a teacher in a Singapore JC and despite being far more highly educated/trained than my parents, he has a far worse deal from the Singapore MOE. What can I say, the government has become more stingy with civil servants over the years - perhaps it is a question of supply & demand. Too many people wanna be teachers, so you don't have to offer as much money.
2. My father had a filthy rich brother who did give us some help along the way. I was too young to understand exactly how much money my uncle gave my dad when they bought that current house but I know my father got help from his brother.
3. Don't forget, they bought their current property in the period 1979-1980: with some help from his brother + a generous pay deal from the MOE, it enabled my father to get on the property ladder in a way that would be impossible for a teacher today.
But I digress - there are rich people even in the UK with very working class mentalities, but in the UK, we are obsessed with class identity. And then you have the opposite! I know of well educated younger adults in their 20s and 30s who are broke or even in debt, but spending a lot of money on an aspirational life style which includes fancy holidays, meals at restaurants they can't afford, designer clothes and they want to portray on Instagram that they are living it up, enjoying a certain kind of luxury lifestyle but the fact is it is all on credit and they are living in debt, even squalor (but they'll never post that on Instagram). So even if they are well educated and have a taste for the high life (hence a middle class mentality) - they are so broke they are in debt.
This middle class / working class mentality does confuse some: my parents may have money but have a very working class mentality - many young people have a middle class mentality but are so broke.
Go figure.
So you are saying your parents might be middle-upper class in SG standards since no working class families that i know of is a landowner. But since they have working class mentalities they are considered working class? Just like the wanna younger adults who live middle class lifestyles but don't have the income to support it, they are considered working class as well?
DeleteHmmmm very good questions. Allow me to state that I am currently writing a follow up based on these good questions you've asked. But for now, I shall make these points:
Delete1. What are you comparing my parents to? Their peers in Singapore? Their peers in SE Asia / the world? My peers in my world? Everything is relative, depending on what you wish to compare yourself to. My father takes comfort in the fact that he is a lot richer than most of his relatives in China (yes he has actually visited them - I have no desire to) and that fuels his sense of superiority. Indeed, if you wanna feel rich? Just pick someone much poorer than you and compare. You wanna feel poor? Just pick someone much richer than you and compare.
2. As for the 打肿脸充胖子 young people who aspire to have middle class lifestyles but are doing it all on credit 'cos they are broke, I shall address that in my next post - akan datang. Writing it as we speak.
No, i'm just curious how one can be considered movement into another social class. Just like your father, my dad has some pretty antiquated ideas which i won't repeat here. He is working class in mindset through and through. But since he is still working and drawing around USD10k and owns several properties (2-3 i lost count) in KL i dare say he is definitely at least upper-middle class at least in terms of economic power.
DeleteSo how what social class will you put such a person at? Also what about me? I used to draw a hefty salary with travel allowances working for a JP MNC. But as i am a fulltime student now drawing $0/annum and paying $0 tax am i now considered underclass? It certainly feels like in every criteria that you use since i still haven't purchased my HDB since i just hit 35 and am renting now.
Aaaah, so far you looked at two aspects:
Delete- bank balance / wealth
- mindset / behaviour
There is a third aspect that is far more apparent in the UK than in Singapore. What is it?
You'll have to wait and find out. I'm writing about it right now my friend.
As they say in Singapore, akan datang!!
@chaoniki: read Paul Fusell's book about social class in the US. It was written a while ago, but it is still relevant today. Class isn't so much about money. You can have money and still be a prole (working class).
DeleteBy income, I am upper-middle class according to Maclean's statistics. However, it is more complicated than that. Vancouver real estate is ridiculously overpriced, and I refused to worry about mortgage payments. We live in a modest middle class neighborhood, and we just bought an investment property which we have just rented out. If you look at my tiny house per se, you will say we are either high prole or middle class. Throw in my husband's newish mini-van (the horror!), and that's it! We are high prole/middle class. However, my lifestyle and mentality complicates things. My son goes to private school and plays the piano and competitive tennis (upper-middle class); we don't always take exotic or luxurious holidays (prole). We do have membership at a vacation resort in Whistler (upper-middle class). We frequent our local Chinese restaurants more often than fancy restaurants (prole!). We have a piano that is a REAL piano (upper-middle class). Proles and middle class take pride in those plugged-in pianos! The horror! Throw in a grand piano, we would have had a touch of upper-class, not just upper-middle. Alas, my modest house is too small for a grand piano.
My point is, social class is more than just income. Therefore, like chaoniki, I was at first surprised by Alex's dumping his parents in working-class doldrums, but when you consider their mentality, they are working class.
As for my family and the many post-secondary degrees between my husband and myself (four, but who's counting?), and my scorn for mediocrity (prole) and mindless consumerism to keep up with the Jones (a middle-class obsession), I would put my family in upper middle. Just don't knock on my door unannounced. In my torn flannels and unkempt hair, I look way below prole!
Alex, to be more precise, you are definitely upper middle class. You and I will never be upper class (grand piano or not) because our money are not inherited. In other words, we do not come from old money. We will always be upper middle at best. I am ok with that. I just don't want to be middle middle. The middle middle (middle class) are insecure because they don't want to seem prole. Therefore, they try hard to have all the accouterments of middle class living --- modern gadgets and that stupid bumper sticker that says, "Proud parents of an honour roll student". You see, middle class folks take pride that their child is not stupid. They like to announce it on the roads.
Oh I do know that upper-middle class is as good as it gets for me, but I take pride in the fact that I have come to the UK as an immigrant and whilst most Asian immigrants usually end up as working class (or prole, as you described) because they are unable to adapt fast enough to the social class system, I have achieved what I suppose is a best case scenario for myself. I do however, have friends who are upper class and they gladly accept me for whom I am, on a personal level because I have demonstrated that I have enough in common with them. Some of the people I have worked with and have to deal with at work are indeed upper class (not that uncommon in banking I assure you) and I don't pretend to have had the kind of upbringing they've had (hell no, Limpeh is from Ang Mo Kio) - but rather I take pride in the fact that I have come from a humble family in Ang Mo Kio and look how far I have come today. I suppose it boils down to the fact that I am extremely observant and good with people - for further reference, I recommend the movies AKA and the Talented Mr Ripley, in both movies, the protagonist is a working class man who somehow throw the power of mimicry and learning very quickly manages to squirrel his way into the upper echelons of society. Fascinating.
DeleteOne of my favorites movies. I may watch again, now with my son.
DeleteIt made me totally fall in love with Italy, wanna learn Italian and spend summer in Italy.
DeleteAKA is considered similar - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AKA_(film)
AKA is a 2002 drama film, the first by director and writer Duncan Roy. The film is set in the late 1970s in Britain and deals with the story of Dean, an 18-year-old boy who assumes another identity in order to enter high society. Dean then meets David, an older gay man who desires him and Benjamin, a young Texan hustler.[1] It is largely an autobiographical account of Duncan Roy's early life.
And here's the whole film! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FriWgzGgicU
And let me tell you why these two films intrigue me so: you see, I have done my share of acting over the years and it has always been in the context of doing a TV show, a film or a play. But in these two films, the protagonists are acting as well - they are trying to be someone else and they both successfully fool/convince those around them that they are whom they claim they are. In the case of Tom Ripley, he got away with it and in the case of Dean in AKA, he eventually got caught and sent to jail (but not before convincing so many people for so many years).
DeleteI sometimes feel like I am doing the same thing - masquerading as a financial expert in the world of finance in London, when really I am an Ah Beng from Ang Mo Kio, like my father who doesn't even speak English. I'm about to go meet an important potential distributor for our company and as my boss is on holiday, I am doing this meeting solo so I know this guy is an older, upper class, super well connected banking guru - I'm puffing up my chest to convince him to work with us. Usually I am quite happy to hide behind my boss when we do meetings like that, but there's no hiding today, so there's going to be a lot of acting instead.
The irony is that when I visit Singapore, I absolutely loath AMK.
We all wear a mask my dear. "All the world is a stage."
DeleteAnother good movie is "Six Degrees of Separation" with Will Smith. Same theme.
The meeting worked out fine - he had lived in Dubai for a few years and I worked a contract there, we were able to establish enough common ground and after some small talk about life in Dubai, we worked out the technical details of working together.
DeleteOh and look out for my latest post (been working on it today) and I'll cover the issue of dealing with upper class posh people - aristocrats. I've worked with a fair few of them in banking and they're not quite what you imagine them to be. They not all in palaces and castles looking down on us ordinary folks whilst drinking champagne from golden goblets for breakfast. You don't remain rich if you simply spend your pot of wealth without topping it up - rather, they use their position of privilege to turn that into power and influence, getting their children a good education followed by using nepotism to get them extremely well paid jobs to keep on generating the wealth to keep on topping up their pot of money, generation after generation. Banking is a natural place for them as it is a highly lucrative industry, but they also need to rely on guys like me who are good at what we do in the banking industry. Quite a few stories to tell, akan datang the follow up.
Nice blog limpeh. but why do you care so much about the rich people?
ReplyDeleteBecause we need to learn from rich people and become successful like them. Poor people are failures and have nothing to offer society.
DeleteOkay, so what do you learn from the rich people?
DeleteI'm not going to bother explaining this to you - you're never going to learn. I'm not here to educate you, I'm not here to fix you. The fact that you are an ITE student is not my problem.
DeleteBut you will never be upper class unless you come from generations of inherited money. Also, you are assuming that upper class people do not care about other people. In fact, it is the middle class who are snobs for fear that they may be associated with those beneath them and pulling them down on the social ladder.
ReplyDeleteClass exists whether you like it or not. New labels come up, such as your "metropolitan liberal elite", but they still categorize us by income, profession, lifestyle, and thinking.
We can't treat the middle class as if it is a monolithic entity. Try this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973
ReplyDeleteIndeed, we can't treat any class as a monolithic entity. That is why society classifies class by income and white / blue collar. Modern society these days are complicated by so many factors. The fact that plumbers and home builders make more money than teachers further complicates the class divide. And that is just one of many examples of class upset.
ReplyDeleteHey, upper middle class is a very good place to be for immigrants like us who made it good in foreign lands without family support.
Even the Middletons will never be upper class despite their money and royal connections. They are bourgeois commoners whose daughter (only by marriage) and grandchildren are royalty. The best they can ever aspire to in their social climbing aspirations. I applaud them. Too bad Harry has a girlfriend already. Lol.
Hi LIFT, you mentioned these 2 aspects of class identity:
ReplyDelete- bank balance / wealth
- mindset / behaviour
Let me guess what the third aspect could be? Either "How other people look at you", or "The type of friends you hang out with".
In Singapore its quite hard to use these last 2 criteria to define status (the dominant method for comparison is wealth). LKY tried to make this a "classless society" aggressively during 60s-80s. It was only when GCT took over in the 90s, that class distinctions became more apparent in this country.
In any case, living on landed property wasnt a big deal in the 70s when houses were cheap and HDBs were not so ubiquitous. At that time, there were a lot of kampongs around, so the distinction was more between
-growing up rural (kampong kids), VS
-growing up urban (living in built areas, downtown or near town centres).
There was no implication that urbanites were superior to kampong dwellers, though their circles rarely overlapped.
Today, if you tell people you were a "kampong kid", they admire you for experiencing an idyllic lifestyle that has since become extinct!
The third aspect is whom your friends are, ie. are your friends doctors, lawyers and bankers, or are they postmen, cleaners and bus drivers? The whole concept of social class means that you're part of a social group - so looking at your friends, your social and cultural patterns would give us a much clearer idea of whom your peers are: ie. where you 'belong'.
DeleteBut hey, I didn't invent this - I'm not reinventing the wheel here, this is a measure that has been used a lot.
Hmmmmm. A few points darling.
ReplyDelete1. This is why you need to look at 3 factors to identify class identity: wealth, social habits (ie. the lifestyle you lead) and social circles (who are your friends)
2. And thus in the UK we have 7 different classes rather than 3 - but even then, I don't even think 7 classes are enough, but at what point do you keep on creating more and more sub-divisions?
3. As for the Middletons etc, I don't think the upper classes are as impenetrable as you describe. I think you're having this image of people of those classes looking down on the rest of us in a most snobbish manner - like we're the unwashed masses just because we're not royalty, but the fact is I have worked with people of that kind of social background before and it varies. Yes snobbery does exist in some but not all, many are pretty much a part of the modern economic system (well, working in banking, rather than Starbucks) and not exactly living in castles and palaces, looking down on the rest of us.
Like I said in the piece Sandra, context is everything. My father's upbringing was considered quite privileged in the context of a very small town in Malaysia - there wasn't a high school/secondary school in his town, so the richer folks could afford to send their kids away to continue their education in a big city like Singapore or KL whilst the poorer folks started working once they completed primary school. Oh life was harsh then! So to be able to afford an education, that put my dad's family in the upper-middle classes within the context of post-war Malaysia when people were generally very poor and in that context, my dad's family was relatively richer. But if I were to compare my upbringing vs some of the people I have worked with, then I'm the poor working class kid struggling to cross the class divide.
ReplyDeleteContext is everything.
In any case, here's the BBC class calculator for you: hardly perfect but at least a tool for this purpose. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973
In SIngapore at least, i have encountered more hostile behavior from low income folks. There's a bitterness there. Given the choice between snobbery and bitterness, i rather deal with snobbery. Over time i can maybe find ways to earn the respect of a snob. Bitterness on the other hand is poisonous and toxic and an utter waste of my time and energy.
ReplyDeleteIt is the same in the UK: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/british-elephant-in-room.html
DeleteThis test isn't conclusive - for example, I have a friend who has 2 kids and she is hemorrhaging money left, right and center everyday because her kids are at an expensive, exclusive private school. She earns more than me but her outgoings are far more and she is not accumulating wealth the way I am - I accumulate my wealth because I have a good income and no dependents, so every penny I earn is for me, me and me. So simply looking at income/savings doesn't even give you a complete picture - I earn less than my friend but I'm better off than her because she has 2 kids.
ReplyDeleteBut yes, I think the threshold for 'elite' is too low, bear in mind this test is a few old, they need to adjust the figures upwards.
Sorry typo: "this test is a few YEARS old"
ReplyDeleteOh, for sure the Middletons swing with the upper class. They probably identify themselves as upper class. By today's standards with lines being blurred with new money, it is hardly an issue whether they are nouveau riche or landed gentry. I was going by traditional measures. Think Downton Abbey, although not quite as rigid.
ReplyDeleteSocial identity is a little different from social class. Who you identify with isn't how society views you. I bet Anderson Cooper identifies himself as upper middle man on the street type of guy. However, he is basically Vanderbilt royalty and upper class.
Hmmm. I went further in my latest article: look at Selena Gomez, half Mexican, half Italian-American, her mother was just 16 when she was born, she had an awful childhood as they were desperately poor and look at her today. She not only is she super rich, she has so much influence through social media - she is one of the world's biggest stars today and will be for decades to come.
ReplyDeleteIf you were to purely judge her by her parents and upbringing, then yeah she's as working class as they come. But if you were to judge her by her wealth and power/influence, then she's as elite as they come. What's the whole point of belonging to a social class if it isn't all about wealth and power? Certainly, Selena Gomez has faaaar more wealth and influence than some minor royalty in the UK. There's no denying the kind of wealth & power she wields today, so I am using her as a classic example to say how traditional measures need updating and we desperately need more categories to define our changing modern world. Downton Abbey is fun but no longer relevant in 2017.
Hello LIFT,
ReplyDeleteI stumbled upon your article and I enjoyed reading about British classes from your point of views.
I regular visit elite British boarding schools and there are people from all those classes - the working class gardener, the struggling middle class and the upper class parents. Really, there are only two classes of people - the nice people and the not so nice people. I have met lovely upper class people and also the I-do-what-I-like-can't-be-bothered-with-you rude upper class. Then I also met nice gardeners and rude bus drivers.
I agree with you that there are much to learn from successful (and other) people but that should not be class-bound.
Also, many of the 'social behaviours' you talked about are just people following social rules as opposed to their true behaviours that are acquired through good breedings/education. The 'upper class' people can be mouth full of F words too in private.
All the best in your quest for self improvement.