Friday 10 March 2017

My reaction to the viral whitewashing video

Time for a brand new topic, I'm going to be talking today about that video which has been shared so much on social media - the one condemning the whitewashing of Hollywood, casting white actors in Asian roles. In that video, a cute young East Asian girl goes into a comic book store in America and with delight, picks up a manga comic book that depicts her culture: 'Ghost In A Shell' after scouring through shelves and shelves of other books depicting white characters. Fast forward a decade and we see a beautiful Asian young lady walking down the street and when she sees Scarlett Johansson cast as the lead in the same movie, she is absolutely devastated. The short film is well made and is designed to accuse Hollywood casting directors of racism, shutting out talented Asian actors from roles that really should be played by Asian and not white actors. It does have a very valid point but I am also left somewhat torn.
Because what I am about to say is going to make me so hated by the Asian community from America to England to Singapore. I get the feeling that the only response to a video like that is wholehearted agreement and condemnation of casting directors for racism. But please, allow me to share my story and my point of view. I grew up in Singapore, a very multi-ethnic, multi-cultural country where one was often shoved into a box based on your ethnicity: Chinese, Malay, Indian, Eurasian, others. However, when it came to children in the playground or in the classroom, we all spoke English as a lingua franca and one's skin colour didn't really matter that much. I was crazy about gymnastics and my best friends growing up tended to be those who shared my love for the sport, since I spent very long hours training in the gym. One's skin colour or ethnicity didn't come into the equation at all: I would befriend anyone who shared my passion for gymnastics. I'm not saying that there's no racism in Singapore - there definitely is. especially with the older generation. But growing up in that environment, I suppose perhaps rather naively, I believed that my generation would be the one where we finally eradicated racism and our skin colour would no longer be an issue. Yeah right.

I was also extremely lucky with my further education which took me to the UK and France - by the age of about 21, French had replaced Mandarin as my second language and at the age of 40, Mandarin is my 5th language after French, Spanish and Welsh. Some people would consider me a banana, yellow on the outside, white on the inside but I don't care. I suppose a lot of that stemmed from the fact that I never got along with my parents but I was never openly confrontational with my dad - he was a highly unreasonable man who wasn't that educated. You can't ever engage in an argument of any sort with him, even when he is wrong, he would just shout and drown you out with volume and when I was young, he would end that argument by hitting me. That led to me developing a very passive-aggressive approach to our relationship where we keep the veneer of civility but I do everything I can to prove to him that I'm so white and hate his Chinese culture. Growing up, I refused to watch a single Chinese movie, I refused to read a single Chinese newspaper, I refused to touch a Chinese magazine or listen to any Chinese pop music. I did an extremely good job in totally whitewashing myself culturally just to spite my father by making sure that my cultural experience and identity growing up was totally white and I strictly banished any elements of Chinese culture from it.
So sue me - I've rejected my Chinese culture by choice.

I have a distant, formal but still civil relationship with my parents today, we barely ever talk since I live 8 time zones away. I don't think they know how to react to my cultural rebellion, as my two sisters are still painfully - nay, make that stereotypically Chinese. I picked this method of rebellion because I didn't want to make it personal, now that would be way too painful. Each time my father refused to listen to me or hit me, I would blame his culture for it - I would blame the way he was brought up which conditioned him to react like that. My parents took very little interest in me as a child and even less interest in me as an adult. I've always said that my blog readers know far more about me than my own parents. My parents don't know what I do for a living. If I took it personally, I would then have to confront the question, "why do my parents hate me?" Or, "why do my parents want to have children but then take so little interest in their own children?" As a self-defence mechanism, I blamed their culture instead: it became a convenient scapegoat for my pain whilst growing up and it continues to be that convenient scapegoat for me today as the pain of rejection is still there.

So if I were that cute little Asian girl wandering into the comic book store, I would have done the complete opposite: I would have bypassed all the comic books from Japan, Korea, China, Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong and reached for those from America with white characters. I grant you that perhaps my experience is quite different from those Asian kids who grew up in happy families, but I just wanted to contest the assumption that all Asians somehow have this need to see Asian faces all the time in media. Now, there is a Facebook group entitled, "Let's try to get more British Chinese/East Asians into TV, film, theatre and radio". along with other Facebook groups trying to encourage more diversity in casting in the UK. I sit silently in these groups after having fallen out with two people in the East Asian group - both of whom are fellow British Chinese actors. Let me share with you the reasons why I fell out with them.
Woah I've had some major disagreements with those guys.

One of these guys, let's call him Kong since his family is from Hong Kong kicked up a big fuss about the fact that British-Chinese people have paid their TV license fees for years in the UK but have had their 'cultural needs' ignored. I disagreed with that on so many levels: I'm British-Chinese, but I'd love to see more French, Spanish and Welsh programmes on the BBC because I speak those languages better than I can speak Mandarin and if someone really has a desperate need to watch say a Cantonese drama series from Hong Kong, then you have the internet these days. Heck, even back before the days of broadband internet, British Chinese people would just rent DVD box sets (or videos for VCRs, if you wanna go back to the 1980s) to get their fix of Hong Kong dramas - they didn't wait for the BBC to finally broadcast a Chinese movie on one of their channels. Likewise, I also have plenty of British friends who don't have a drop of Chinese blood in their veins, but take an active interest in Chinese culture and some even speak Mandarin more fluently than I ever can. By that token, the BBC should increase their Chinese content on their output not to appease the British Chinese community, but it should be done in the name of education: making everyone - white, black, Asian - more aware of cultures from all over the world and I think that is definitely a good thing.

What was Kong's reaction? He labelled me a traitor to the Chinese community for preferring white culture over Chinese culture. He said that I was part of the problem and not part of the solution. It suffices to say that he was extremely angry with me - I found that hard to comprehend because Kong was brought up in the UK and spoke English as a first language, I thought he would understand why I would not feel particularly 'Chinese'. I then tried to reason with someone else who joined in the argument - let's call him 'Yiban' since this guy is half English and half Chinese. I thought, okay Yiban is mixed, surely he can understand my point of view? Nope, he was even professing to be more 'Chinese' than me and despite having been brought up in England and he even accused me of having a the mentality of a 'colonial subject' - because I was raised in Singapore, I was the brown colonial subject all too grateful to be allowed into the West and happy to accept any terms and conditions set by the white masters in charge. I found that rather insulting of course as they were imposing their preconceived notions on me and I really, really hated that.
I thought they were approaching the issue the wrong way.

You see, many actors dream about becoming big stars from a young age and they go into the industry with a one track mind - to become famous. I took a very different route, having established myself a career in finance before turning to acting at the ripe old age of 28. I never entered showbiz with dreams of becoming a superstar, rather it was more a case of, "I live in London and if I never even give this a go, I'd die with a heart full of regrets - all I want to do is give it my best shot, so I can turn around and say that I've tried my best." I think life is a balance between testing yourself by climbing steep learning curves and sticking to what you know best. I don't want to get so comfortable doing what I do that I never venture out of my comfort zone - yet I don't want to spend all my time feeling incompetent and unable to cope with what is expected of me at work. Sometimes I deliberately do something difficult just to prove to myself that I am still young enough at heart to take on new challenges. The process itself may not be fun but I believe we grow so much mentally and emotionally each time we successfully climb a learning curve like that.

But I have carved myself a good niche in the world of corporate finance, doing distribution for fixed income products. I am based in London and deal with clients around the world: I love the moment when I finally Skype them and they see that I look Chinese, they usually get a shock because I had been speaking to them in Spanish, French or Welsh and they don't expect to see someone who isn't white. I would go as far as to say that the world of finance is light years ahead of the world of showbiz - my skin colour simply isn't an issue. If I want to deal with the French market, the only barrier to entry is my ability to speak French fluently. The work I do is determined by my skills and ability rather than my skin colour, so you can imagine the culture shock I had when I became an actor and found casting directors asking me questions like, "you're Chinese, do you do Kungfu? Do you speak Mandarin or Cantonese?" Do I find such questions insensitive or even offensive? Yes, because this will never ever happen in the world of corporate finance.
Perhaps many people will hate me for my reaction to this, but I pick my battles in life. I pick the path of least resistance and have returned to the world of finance, having had my fun as an actor. Recently some of my East Asian actor friends were protesting at the play in London which was set in China but had an all white cast - there's a part of me that's angry of course with that kind of casting decision because it is wrong, but then there's another part of me that thinks, "do you know how little they pay actors in theatre? I barely even touched theatre as an actor, I preferred to do TV and films instead because the money is so much better." There are so many battles to fight if you want to consider the amount of injustice that goes on in the world. I do have friends on Facebook who keep posting angry stories and I almost get the impression they thrive on this sense of injustice, like they are making the world a better place by using social media to draw attention to everything from war to pollution to dishonest politicians to the plight to refugees to sexist bigots. Gosh, may I just celebrate the fact that I am able to say, "yes there is racism in showbiz, let me run back to the world of banking where there is far less racism." How many actors actually have a plan B to turn to? 

It is ironic that the one industry that everyone seems to be so happy to condemn and hate - financial services (aka 'wanker bankers') is so much more progressive when it comes to racism compared to the supposedly more progressive, liberal media industry for the creative and artistic types. But then that's life for you, it is never straight forward and I suppose hardly anyone ever straddles two such different industries the way I have for so many years. I guess I hate anyone assuming what I need, what I want, what I think, what I like - "oh you're Chinese, so you must need/want/desire the following things." So whilst I don't doubt that the people who made that video had only the best intentions to challenge whitewashing in Hollywood, I also react very negatively when people start making assumptions about me. It is not like I am deliberately turning a blind eye to the situation, but rather I am simply grateful that it doesn't affect me personally. If I were that young Asian girl in that video, I would have simply shrugged my shoulders instead of getting upset when I saw Scarlett Johansson in that poster. As Whitney sang, "it's not right, but it's okay."
What do you think about the issue of 'whitewashing' in Hollywood? Are you personally offended or affected? Or are you quite happy to shrug your shoulders? Are you simply glad that we're talking about something other than Irene Clennell on this blog at last? (Yes people, we have moved on.) Let me know what you think, many thanks for reading.

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  1. Hi Alex,

    I believe I understood the video a bit differently than you - namely, I think it's a video about race, not culture or identity. The little girl in the video is not a "Chinese girl", she is an American girl of Asian ethnicity. Therefore, she isn't looking for an Asian comic book, she is looking for an Asian-looking main character , regardless of being in a Asian or Western comic book. And why it is important for her to see "Asian characters"? I guess for the same reason it's important for women, black people, gays and other groups to see themselves represented as capable protagonists rather than stereotypes or sidekicks. I am pretty sure black people in the USA would be extremely angry if someone made a movie where Martin Luther King is actually a white guy and played by Matt Daemon.

    So, it's not that Asian-Americans want the US media outlets to broadcast more series from Japan, Korea or China, they just want to be represented in American series or films in a way more consistent with the way white people are represented. To be fair with the Americans, they have recently done well a couple of times in that regard (Fresh off the boat, Big Hero 6, Walking Dead, etc.). I guess precisely the fact that things seemed to be changing for the better is what made Asian-Americans so ticked off by Ghost in the Shell.

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    1. Well you do make a lot of valid points Edson and I do agree with you. However, I apologize for being self-indulgent - as a kid growing up obsessed with gymnastics, I naturally became attracted to gymnasts who did certain kinds of skills that I thought looked amazing and that I'd like to do as well. There was an East German gymnast called Sylvio Kroll in the 1980s who fascinated me with his originality - I didn't care about his appearance per se (ok he was a blonde, blue eyed European) but more about his skills which were breathtakingly original in so many ways. Perhaps very, very naively, I thought, as a child, that my generation would be the first to go beyond skin colour, that we could see people for their individual traits rather than get so stuck on their skin colour that they are not able to see anything more than that.

      Perhaps in an ideal world, we would all be able to see people as individuals and get past skin colour. You see for me, I grew up with a dad who can't speak English and he was soooo fixated on skin colour and sticking to Chinese people that it irked the hell out of me as a child (and it still does today, clearly). That's why I (perhaps rather naively) wanted to move way beyond skin colour and be the polar opposite of whatever my father stood for, in defiance, almost like sticking a middle finger to my dad to say, "I'm going to be the polar opposite of you 'cos I think you're a crap role model."

      But I also totally see your point about representation of women, black/ethnic minorities, gays, disabled etc in mainstream media as capable protagonists. If you put it that way, how can I disagree with you? Perhaps I'm too fixated on this 'I'm determined to move beyond skin colour' agenda.

      I can't bring myself to watch anything entitled Fresh Off The Boat, sorry I cringed at the title. But I liked series like Selfie and Veep with Asian-Americans in lead/key roles portraying them as v capable protagonists.

      What I do mock though, are the Asian guys (it's always the men!) who bitch about this issue about the lack of positive Asian role models in American media - then you look at their Facebook pics and they look ugly as fuck. And I'm like, bitch, have a look in the mirror and fix yourself first, don't blame the media for the mess you look today. You look like such an Asian geek loser - like lose the chunky glasses already.

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    2. LIFT you are overthinking things. Children are more simplistic and when they look for role models they of course look to people of their own ethnicity. Let's take for example Singapore, since we are so multicultural why don't Malays use Chinese people as a role model or vice-versa?

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    3. Agreed with choaniki. For every stereotype there are indeed many people who confirm to the stereotype. But there are also many young people who haven't yet figured out what they can and what they want to do about life. Good cinema and TV aren't about "showing the everyday life", they are about telling interesting stories about extraordinary individuals, and make people think the ways they haven't thought before.

      For example, In History there are not that many records of women warriors or women leading revolts or armies. Should then Hollywood have replaced Katniss' character in "Hunger Games" by a man played by a male actor, for the sake of "realism"? In the USA there are disproportionally more black people in jail than white people. Is it then fine for Hollywood to make movies where all good guys are white, and all black guys are criminals?

      If you had an Asian daughter, what kind of inspiration would you like for her? Chiyo, the sexy exotic Asian woman from Memoirs of Gueisha? Taka, the silent and all-submissive Japanese wife from The Last Samurai? Or perhaps, someone like Major Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell?

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    4. To play Devil's Advocate, Hollywood film studios are not social justice support groups. Their primary motivation is profit. If their analysts projected more box-office numbers if an Asian actress were to be casted for Ghost in the Shell, I bet they will drop ScarJo at the drop of a hat.

      Like LiFT, I never had a problem growing up without seeing many Asian protagonists in Hollywood movies. I seriously doubt that I would have enjoyed Home Alone more if Kevin was Chinese. I didn't care if Luke Skywalker or Marty McFly were Caucasians.

      In any case, if I really wanted to see Asian movie heroes in action, I could always watch a Jackie Chan movie or something. The same options exist today. HK cinema is chock full of those movies. Like Ip Man. *Bonus for "AZN Pride" chest-beaters* He trashes a whitey in the second film! And if films based on manga is your cup of tea, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_manga

      Personally, I feel that "representation in Hollywood" is a silly first world problem. A third of Africans don't even have proper drainage/piping and SJWs are getting all worked up with not seeing faces of their color in Hollywood movies? That's incredibly self-entitled don't you think?

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  2. I do not care enough about the above issue, simply because it is a case of "money talks". My husband has a few friends in this industry, and it all boils down to money.

    Assuming that I cast an Asian actress in this movie, would she able to command the same ROI as what's-her-name (too lazy to scroll up)? Unfortunately, we do not have many Asians in Hollywood A league. Is Lucy Liu or Fan Bing Bing in that league, I think not. Fan Bing Bing has generous sponsors (as far as I am aware) and even her own production company, but even they would not take steps to hurt themselves financially. Jackie Chan is different, he has strong financial backing and branding - still money talks at the end.

    LIFT, nevertheless, I am not able to fathom why Chinese are labelled unfairly when they are not "Chinese-culture" (for the lack of a better word). It is your choice to speak other languages or even reject your own culture as long as no one is/was hurt in the process. Obviously, it will be a different issue if someone started bashing or insulting another individual due to their race.

    I supposed it boils down to Asian culture that tends to have a more collective mindset than individualism. Furthermore, I am just glad that I am not Japanese/Koreans where the culture is more stifling and hierarchically. I will die there. Lest anyone misinterpret, I am not insulting Japanese or Koreans. I am stating a fact and my preference. With all the PC nowadays, facts are sometime distorted as something unpleasant and should be ignored.

    As for Irene Clennell's case, I am glad that we moved on. I did not follow closely on her case (I just skipped your few postings on her) since I've done so many work visa applications and appeals in my work that I am cognisant of the repercussions of even one wrong spelling.

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    1. I plead ignorance - I have never ever heard of Fan Bing Bing though I do like Lucy Liu.

      As for the point about 'as long as no one is/was hurt in the process' - guess what? The irony is, that no one was/is - it was a deliberate attempt to spite my parens, but it totally failed because as it turns out, my own parents couldn't be any less interested in me. Like, they are so disinterested in me that my own mother has no freaking clue what I do for a living - it's that bad. You can't spite someone who doesn't care enough to be 'spited' like that, but regardless, I have whitewashed myself anyway, culturally.

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  3. Great observation! Hollywood is made in America and the genre of film is itself a western construct - it's entirely up to Hollywood produces how they wish to cast their characters. They are proud of their heritage and don't wish to change too much too quickly lest it undermines their identity and they end up losing their global influence.

    Then again, being world famous, it is understandable that talents from all over the world would aspire to be a part of it for a chance to share in its success. Should the owners of Hollywood swing wide open their doors to the rest of the world?

    Let's compare this to Bollywood which is made in India and is full of native Indians. No-one ever complains about Bollywood being ' non-inclusive' or racist. If anything it is far less inclusive than Hollywood. I think the accusations of Hollywood racism spring from feelings of sour grapes rather than genuine discrimination. It is not difficult for talented East Asians to get into the East Asian film industry which tends to shut the door on western and 'other' faces for perfectly understandable reasons.

    For those of us who are neither eastern nor western or just too cosmopolitan to fit into any stereotypical category, it's just too bad - we're not likely to ever be front of the queue in Hollywood or Bollywood. But I wouldn't want to change that for anything. Let's just accept that we belong to a different 'category' ( ie the non-classifiable-unboxable category) and celebrate all these differences that make the world a more interesting place.

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    1. I just wanted to share with my readers my frustration with some of the British-Chinese community here - with people like 'Kong' and 'Yiban' who hate my guts for not doing enough to fight the racism in the industry. You wanna fight racism, sure that's a good cause, how can I disagree with anyone who wants to fight racism? But it is frustrating dealing with people like them because they are filled with a sense of self-righteousness and will brand you a traitor if your response is anything but 100% agreement with their cause.

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  4. So this about a Caucasian actor playing the role of an Asian (Japanese) character. Logically, the same should apply to Chinese actors playing Bodhidharma (Buddhist monk who lived during the 5th or 6th century) that frequently appears in Chinese Kungfu movie, or in the future, Asian actor playing the role of African/Caucassian character. They also had Caucassian actor playing the role of black man in Roman related films.

    The solution surely is that if people object to this, don't watch the film and they will stop making such actor choices.

    Yes, LIFT, Bringing racism into things like this is just silly.

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  5. peterlim33,

    It's a bit of a strange comparison. Asian-Americans are a relevant demographic in the USA nowadays, they aren't "people who existed in the 5th or 6th century". In the USA, whitewashing of black characters was common until the 1930s, but nowadays, no director would dare to fill a black protagonist role with a white actor. The African-Americans wouldn't be the only ones who would refuse to watch it.

    BTW, the Chinese aren't as insensitive as you think. They may mock white and black people all the time, but I am pretty sure they would think twice about casting a Han actor for the role of a Tibetan or Uighur hero.

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  6. I think it is all about money and Hollywood as racist as they are just cater to their audiences who are even more racist.
    Let me ask you a contrarian question LIFT, if a white person can play an Asian because he/she is suitable for the job, can't an Asian person play a black or white person in any hollywood movie if they are suitable for the role? I know the casting director will never allow that to happen since some rednecks might not want to watch the movie if an Asian were the main star.

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    1. I'm going to be evasive and point out that there is a compromise between the two: take John Cho in the series Selfie (2014) - his character Henry isn't exactly Asian (I note the surname Henry has isn't even Korean/Chinese etc but a made up one that's hard to place: Higgs). Henry isn't once portrayed speaking Korean/Chinese or even eating Chinese food, using chopsticks, doing karate etc - his character is entirely white by definition, ie. Henry is at best an Asian-American who isn't in touch with his Asian roots and doesn't do Asian things at all. But we're not interested in Henry because of his ethnicity or culture, but because of his strange relationship with Eliza in the story.

      Again, I'm naive here - but I liked that. Very much so. I'd like to think of a world where an Asian-American actor like John Cho can just play a part like that without being stereotypically Asian, he can be as white as they come and still play the lead and the story doesn't revolve around his ethnicity/culture/skin colour at all, but we're interested in the character of Henry and what he brings to the story.

      That's just one great example. Shame Selfie only lasted one season.

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  7. John Oliver touched on this subject here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XebG4TO_xss

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    1. This is funny and definitely worth viewing! But it doesn't explain why white people and not coloured people were cast in these roles in the first place. How many Hollywood -trained Asians were there in the 50's and 60's? We should be thankful they were even represented in these films back then. Things have moved on a lot since. It conveniently omits those clips that do consist of coloured ppl playing coloured roles.

      Correlation isn't causation. It is a dangerous thing to infer from such a limited set of information that the only factor determining Hollywood's casting choices has got to be racism. There isn't enough information to jump to such a conclusion. Let's not confuse this with real racism which we should oppose. And appreciate Hollywood for what it is - a provider of great entertainment for the whole world to enjoy.

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    2. I must call you out on two points which you are wrong on:

      1. You assumed that there is an absence or lack of trained Asian actors. You're wrong - there always has been, plenty of them. You're basing your assumption that Hollywood films are big businesses and you don't pull off a commercial success by fucking up - but as an insider, I can tell you that numerous fuck ups happen in various parts of the process all the time. Like all the time. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt.

      2. See my reply to you below. Casting directors can be total idiots - like total fucking idiots. I can tell you a long story recently about a BBC casting director who had to change a script - originally they were casting for an Eastern EUropean doctor and they changed that doctor to an English doctor as the casting director claimed we can't afford to fly someone in from Poland for example. The union Equity (ie. the actors' union) challenged that cunt about her excuse by producing a fucking long list of superbly highly trained Eastern European actors resident in the UK - did she even audition a single one of them or consider that list before she made her fucking stupid assumption? No, she assumed they didn't exist. All I can say is that this BBC casting director was a grade A moron-cunt but few people dare to challenge that cunt because she makes important decisions about who gets the big parts. That's why this industry is so toxic and why I am happier in banking where money in money - it has no colour. You don't get away with being a cunt in finance.

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    3. Sorry for the swearing - but I'm sorry, you have no idea how utterly fucked up the acting industry is. It is seriously fucked up. You wanna enjoy the beauty and magic movies as a viewer, that's fine - just don't imagine that the people who work in the industry are blameless: the industry is full of fucking cunts. Cunt galore I swear. Cunt cunt cunt. Cheebys everywhere I look.

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  8. “The short film is well made and is designed to accuse Hollywood casting directors of racism, shutting out talented Asian actors from roles that really should be played by Asian and not white actors.”
    Shouldn’t the choice of actors be based on how good one is at acting rather than the colour of their skin? That would be racist! It could just be that they couldn’t find a suitable Asian with the relevant acting skills, who could fit that particular role as well as Johanssan, and not that anyone was deliberately left out.

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    1. Hmmm. I don't think there's a lack of suitable Asian actors with excellent acting skills - it's just that Johansson is a huge name in Hollywood and people would go see the movie because they are fans of her, rather than it being based on talent. But having said that, I got into a huge row with the BBC some years back when they cast two actors (who were born in HK) in a BBC series and they spoke Mandarin so badly it was not understandable - and both of them were supposed to be working in the Chinese embassy, so I complained that the casting director didn't check if these two could speak Mandarin in the first place and they claimed they couldn't find suitable Chinese actors who could speak Mandarin and have the relevant acting skills - which was a total lie as there are LOADS of Mandarin speaking actors in the UK, it's just that when white casting directors fuck up, they can't be asked to even lie convincingly to cover up their fuck ups. I got an 'apology' as feeble as Emily Duggan's excuse - take it from me, casting directors fuck up all the time, you're assuming they are smart enough to do their jobs properly, well I would tell you otherwise, as an industry insider. They fuck up so bad all the time - like you wouldn't believe how badly they fuck up and get away with it all the time. If I fucked up that royally at work, I'll get the sack - you can see why I feel safer and happier in the world of finance.

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    2. Oh and one of the HK born actors who couldn't speak Mandarin to save his life was 'Kong' as featured in my article. Yup, you can see why I have an axe to grind with him - he can't fucking speak Chinese, yet people like him claim to be more Chinese than me. I've gone out of my way to avoid anything Chinese all my life, yet I still speak more Mandarin than him because of my childhood.

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    3. Anon1357

      That's an absurd argument. The casting of actors should not only reflect the "relevant acting skills", but also how well such actors fit to the role. You wouldn't give a 70-year old actor the role of a child, no matter the fact that the 70-year old has better acting skills than a child actor.

      Al Simons, the protagonist from the Spawn comic book, is an African-American. Katniss from Hunger Games book series is a woman. And Major Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell is obviously Asian. I am pretty sure the public wouldn't forgive any director who would come up with an film adaption that changes the first two characters into white men. So why Asians should be treated differently?

      Obviously, there may be good storytelling reasons for a film director to want to change the gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation of a character. For instance, Capela, a black man in Spawn, was changed to a white woman in the film adaption, and nobody gave a shit because it's a minor character anyway. The new Ghostbusters film changed all protagonists into women in an attempt to break the paradigm that women can't be as good as men in non-romantic comedy.

      But changing a main character from an adapted script in a way that makes the character confirm to existing stereotypes, rather than make the public think, questioning and confronting stereotypes, hardly has a good reason from a storytelling point of view. It may have been done for, as you say, "branding reasons", or "reaching a wider audience".

      But if casting an Asian actor in a lead role clearly described as Asian, leads a film to lose its "branding" and its "audience scope", how can you say this has nothing to do with racism?

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    4. Edson, I think Anon1357 made the assumption that there's a method to the casting directors' madness when it comes to bizarre casting decisions, when really, the key reason is often sheer incompetence - even when it comes to high profile, big budget projects. They fuck up all the time. They fuck up royally because they are stupid, incompetent, racist, high on drugs or all of the above. I think sometimes people who love their movies like to think that the industry is wonderful and the people behind the movies create magic - they view the industry through rose tinted lenses whereas someone like me who's been there and done that, I can speak as an insider and I see the number of fuck ups - oooooh boy. There's A LOT of idiots in the industry fucking up all the time. I have no illusions. That's why I say, I'm happier in banking - I'm not saying that I don't come across idiots in this industry (I do sometimes), but less often. Far less often. I agree with everything you said Edson - the reason why such terrible fuck ups happened, is not just because of racism, but the sheer scale of incompetence by the idiots involved. I don't think one can easily separate racism and incompetence: these racists are usually woefully shit at their jobs.

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  9. hi limpeh. have you been to japan?

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    1. Yes. It is amazing, I love Japan.

      And whatever your mother said about Japan, she is wrong. OK? Your mother doesn't know shit about Japan.

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    2. so would you prefer japanese culture or chinese culture?

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    3. I didn't bring up Japan - Neon did. You're new to my blog Mr Why. Neon has a habit of posting questions like, "my mother said that ...." and his mother would usually be so totally wrong in whatever opinion she said, it's clear that she's not an educated woman and doesn't care if she says something stupid to her son. That's between the two of them, but Neon actually believes the bullshit she spouts (whilst not realizing what a total idiot his mother is). I don't think there's any excuse for ignorance in this day and age when you can easily look stuff up on Google. Information is a google search away and that takes seconds, yet Neon would rather believe his mother's piles of stinking bullshit rather than use Google. That's why I came up with the insult before he could say anything else about Japan.

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    4. LoL Feel bad for that little guy. And Yes i am new to your Blog

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    5. Yes he is young - but good grief, at least he grew up with technology and wouldn't find the concept of using google to look up something that difficult? My parents say stupid shit all the time and I just ignore them - or at least if they got me curious about something, I just look it up on Google. Neon's mother comes up with a lot of crazy bullshit - most of the time she's totally wrong - what bothers me is the way Neon actually believes his batshit crazy mother's nonsensical rants rather than simply doing a google search. I've already told him before in no uncertain terms: be kind to your mother, she's clearly uneducated and very stupid. You don't have to put her down or mock her, we all know she's a moron - just reach for your phone and do a google search instead. Then, just smile and say nothing.

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    6. Well we can't blame our mom for being stupid. Sometimes we have to live with it.
      And be Nice ;)

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    7. Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking Neon's mum per se. My mother says her fair share of crazy, misinformed bullshit - my sister tells me that it's not even worth correcting her because she's not educated/intelligent enough to understand where she is wrong. We take a deep breath, smile and just let it go. And if in doubt, there's always google. What I don't understand is why Neon actually believes half the crazy bullshit his mother comes up with and he acts all surprised when I tell him to verify the facts on Google cos his mother's completely wrong. Duh.

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    8. Neon comes up with these random questions often. I expect he will next ask,"Hey, dude, why do you think the sky is blue?" Lol! Google and find out!

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    9. And here you go: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/learning/learn-about-the-weather/how-weather-works/why-is-the-sky-blue

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    10. Haha! You have the patience of almost an indulgent parent.

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  10. As you rightly point out there are numerous reasons (other than racism) why casting directors make the choices they do - in the case of Johansson it's to do with branding. In the other cases it's down to sheer incompetence. Which confirms my suspicion that it's not necessarily always to do with racism

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    1. It can be hard to separate incompetence and racism at times in this industry though - but believe you me, I see A LOT of incompetence all the time.

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  11. Alex,

    From your article, it seems that you do not mind the issue of white washing.

    So is it alright with you if the main cast is changed to a different race. Example casting of Harry Potter as a black character, cast Hitler as an Asian, or cast queen Elizabeth in "Elizabeth" as an blonde American girl.

    The issue here is staying faithful to adapted boom or historical fact. It not casting for parody movie.

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    1. Hmmm. My issue here is not so much that of white washing, but trying to find an authentic voice that does represent my experience as a person who is yellow on the outside but totally white on the inside. Believe you me, I have worked with PRCs before and know what it is like to work alongside these 100% Chinese people. Being with them makes me realize just how totally un-Chinese I am, in comparison to them. I grant you that people like me are in the minority as most Chinese people are genuinely Chinese through & through and that's what the media often tries to portray Chinese people as - it is rare to have a Chinese character play a part of someone who doesn't come across as Chinese at all. So yes, perhaps just for me, I'd like to see far more of that: something which reflects my experience as a banana, rather than that of Chinese people whom I share nothing in common with culturally. That is not quite the same as whitewashing, but perhaps getting scriptwriters and casting directors to recognize the diversity within the Chinese community. I think everyone has their own agenda - some people choose to get up in arms about whitewashing, I choose to be upset about the way Chinese people are depicted in a way that doesn't reflect the full diversity of the Chinese community. It's not that I "don't mind" whitewashing, I simply said, it's not right but it's okay as I'm not going to get upset about it.

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    2. Fair point but I am fed up with the way Hollywood movie really destroy a good adapted book by white washing the movie.

      Too many adaptation from Japanese source is being ruined by them. Among them are Dragonball Evolution, King of Fighter, Tekken, Godzilla (1st movie), Dead or Alive.

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    3. Hi Kelvin,

      FYI they did cast Hermione Granger as a black person for a Harry Potter play awhile back. Racists masquerading as purist fans were getting all heated up and saying all sorts of unkind things online. Eventually, JK Rowling stepped in the criticize them:

      http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-36454875

      I think the whole "white/black/yellow-washing" controversy is an overblown Social Justice Warrior issue. As long as the designated actor/actress plays his/her part to the spirit of the character, why should it be a problem? In any case, nobody is forcing viewers to see Ghost in a Shell. They are free to boycott the film and in the larger scheme of things, nobody cares. SJWs will remain a vocal minority and the masses would stream into the cinema anyway (or not, if the film turns out to be a dud).

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    4. Bear Faced Liar,

      See my previous post. It is quite different to change a character's race, gender or sexual orientation for the purpose of challenging stereotypes, than making said change in order to reinforce and confirm stereotypes. Can you tell me a good example where Hollywood changed a woman protagonist from an adapted script to a man? A black protagonist to a white? A gay protagonist to a straight person?

      As for your "if you don't like, just boycott" argument, sorry, this is a completely ridiculous argument, since "boycott" can never work when the affected group is a minority. Obviously, Chinese living in China or Japanese living in Japan couldn't care less about the casting of Ghost in the Shell since they aren't the ones who are subject to stereotyping and discrimination. The ones who care are Asians living in other countries, where they are minorities, and hence it's completely ineffective for them to do boycotting. The only thing they can do is to create awareness and to let others know and understand their feelings about the movie (which most probably don't know or understand).

      In Brazil, until the 1990s, it was common for the TV to represent gay characters solely as comic relief characters, incapable of having any profession other than fashion designer, hair stylist or drag queen, and incapable of having "normal feelings" like anxiety, ambition or love, only overblown sexual drive. Yet, thanks to the awareness created by LGBT community, this isn't the case anymore, and now it's relatively common for the Brazilian media to feature gay characters in "normal roles", such as lawyer or doctor. I am sure things would be have turned out quite different if LGBTs had done as you suggested - staying silent and doing "boycotting".

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    5. Hi Ed, thanks for the reply.

      For the record, I cannot think of any occasion where Hollywood has "changed a character for the purpose of challenging stereotypes". That said, if you have seen my earlier comment on this thread, you will understand that I do not expect Hollywood fat cat executives to do so. They are in this for the money, not to promote SJW agendas. It would be naive to think otherwise.

      "If you don't like, just boycott" is not an argument at all. It is simply my opinion of what SJWs can do instead of getting their panties up in a bunch. Their protest methods are ineffectual to say the least, and in my opinion rather self-indulgent. As a matter of fact, I did acknowledge that these guys are merely a vocal minority, and I seriously doubt their boycott would have any huge financial ramifications for the film studio.

      LGBTs being less discriminated against these days have more to do with real struggles by brave idealists against conservative, prejudiced authorities over the years rather than self-indulgent lobbyists angling for more representation in Hollywood films. I think you are mixing up the two in this discussion.

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    6. Bear Faced Liar,

      Whether you consider one minority's complaints more legitimate than others, whether you consider them as "real struggles" or "self-indulgence" is completely not of my concern. I am satisfied to know that there are many people who have a different definition of "real struggle" and "self-indulgence" than you.

      I was merely pointing out the fallacy of the "just boycott" argument and how it doesn't apply to affected minorities (such as gays or disable people), which your response has confirmed.

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    7. Hi Ed, thanks for the reply. Let's examine your reply in detail.

      "Whether you consider one minority's complaints more legitimate than others"

      I am sorry but this is called 'having an opinion', and you are guilty of the same. Why is my "complaint" that these lobbyists are self-indulgent any less legitimate than their original complains about Hollywood white-washing? Freedom of speech cuts both ways my friend.

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      "I am satisfied to know that there are many people who have a different definition of "real struggle" and "self-indulgence" than you."

      In that case you are easily satisfied with your flawed logic. Thanks for conveniently taking people with the same opinion as me out of the equation.

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      "I was merely pointing out the fallacy of the "just boycott" argument and how it doesn't apply to affected minorities (such as gays or disable people), which your response has confirmed."

      That's the thing - I didn't even make a "just boycott" argument in my original statement. You seem to an erroneous understanding that I am propagating boycotting as a viable method for the lobbyists to achieve their goals. To set the record straight, I would imagine that boycotting wouldn't have made a meaningful difference either way. It wasn't an "argument" that I have made per se, and I do not appreciate being quoted out of context.

      In any case, how is your example about 90s Brazilian TV's unflattering portrayal of homosexuals even remotely relevant with the white-washing issue in Hollywood? Thanks for the straw man. You are awesome at making arguments.

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  12. I think you mentioned that there are different types of accents in the UK, US and other parts of the world, not just a "British accent" or "US accent". Over the years, I have started to realise that it is quite true. I can actually understand the accents of highly educated people very well, like professors or my French teachers in Singapore, and some youtubers as well, but somehow, when it comes to an internet friend who may be from a lower social strata in the UK or US, I fail to understand their accent. I am not sure if its due to the static or maybe the fact that I am half deaf from listening to music on earphones all the time. I used to think that PRC and mainland Chinese had very thick accents, with a twang, but I realise that I can understand some of them perfectly fine. In fact, I was in China on a community service trip and we stayed in the rural parts of China, and somehow I managed to understand them perfectly fine. I don't know what to make of this, except that it is very frustrating when you are trying to communicate with an internet friend millons of miles away and you are unable to understand their accent.

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  13. As for this topic, I think its quite sad but true. I think we have to accept reality as it is. It affects me more than the average person, as I grew up watching MTVs and Hollywood movies, and I aspired to be like them. I am a jiak kentang person, and unless I do extensive amounts of plastic surgery, I would always be seen as an Asian person. And boy, I really love acting, singing and all the showbusiness stuff. Other people may move on to other industries, but music and movies and games, are my life and my passion. What I liked about Hollywood movies is that, they feature movies on depression, war, poverty etc., anything they can think of,unlike MediaCorp drama serials which tend to stereotype mental illnesses and such. Also, I notice that most Chinese songs are about love and relationships, but English songs span the gamut from songs about depression, to songs about self-hate, and songs about not fitting in, and clubbing type sonogs.

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