Friday 10 February 2017

Do shared experiences make people bond?

Hello guys, a very important part of my blogging experience is the response I get from my regular readers. I think it is very interesting when I don't actually agree with what they say - don't get me wrong, it will rather boring if they all agreed with me and then there would be nothing for us to discuss after they have read the article. However, sometimes, someone can post something that I really disagree with so profoundly that I have to dedicate a blog post just to explain why I feel so strongly about the issue and I like using the format of a full blog post to do so rather than simply using the comments section. So, here's the comment from my reader Ruther which I profoundly disagreed with:
What was your NS experience like?

Regarding the NS part, it is important to know what your vocation is in order to know whether you can make friends easily. Because usually for tougher vocations likes commando, guards, infantry etc. you guys will have tough training and outfield whereby there are more common experiences shared amongst the men. Whereas for less tough vocations like supply assistant (storeman) and transport operator (driver), there are less common experiences due to less tough trainings and less or even no outfields. Hence, we will have the time and energy to play games and do our own stuff, which will result to only hanging with people of similar frequency. So what was your vocation during NS?

Firstly, I would like to state that this is by no means a personal attack on Ruther - I disagree with his opinion but I welcome him to express it in any case even if I do feel that he is wrong. I would thus like to explain why I disagree with him. For starters, I think he was completely barking up the wrong tree by asking me about my vocation during NS because he must have assumed that I had come to my conclusions based on my personal experiences. Now a good writer wouldn't and shouldn't fall into the trap of universalizing one's experience. Let me give you an example: imagine if  Gina went to Tunisia on holiday and met a charming local man at the bar whom she ends up spending a very pleasant evening with. She agrees to meet him the day after and they end up seeing each other a few more times whilst she is there. Gina then goes home and tells her friends that all Tunisian men are so incredibly handsome and charming. Now that's certainly not true: she met one man who charmed her off her feet, but she based her judgement on the issue on her personal experience. By all means, offering interesting personal anecdotes can certainly make a story come to live but one should never ever base an entire argument just on one's personal experience like that.
Never base your entire argument on your own experiences.

Likewise, yes I have blogged about NS on my blog quite a lot, but as a good writer, I would never write solely about my own experiences. I have drawn upon the experiences of others of different vocations and ranks, of my friends and my former colleagues - I have referred to high profile cases that have made the news and have even interviewed people about their NS experiences when they have done things that I have not done. Indeed, let me be the first to say this: everyone who has done NS has a different experience. So much of it is random: whom you end up living and working with, whom you end up befriending, what vocation you get assigned, whom you end up working for etc. We have little or no control over all of those factors, so I would never ever universalize my personal experiences and write a piece that is based entirely on my own personal experiences - no, that would make me a bad writer if I made such a mistake and for the record, I'm too good a writer to make that kind of amateur's mistake. So when Ruther asked me what my vocation was during NS, my reply is, "stop being condescending, I'm a much better writer than you think and this isn't about me. It is about the wider NS experience. I know what I am doing so do not assume that I'm making a mistake."

But allow me to go on, please. Ruther seems to think that shared experiences through extended training and 'outfield' exercises would make the men bond - now I beg to differ and I think Ruther is wrong. Sure you can subject the men in the army to long hours of training together, forcing them to spend a lot more time with each other during these 'outfield' exercises - but does that bring them any closer as friends? No, I don't think it does. Now, allow me to speak as an older man in his 40s who has a lot more than just my NS experience to draw upon: I have worked in companies where I have spent long hours working on projects with my team. I've worked 8 years in one company - that's far longer than any time you have served as a conscript doing NS. So, in this situation, we're talking about being forced to spend many working hours, week after week, month after month on the same project with a group of people - does that process make us any closer and help us bond as friends? No. Far from it. You can't assume that will happen.
Did you bond with the people you did NS with?

What I witnessed was that some colleagues clicked on some personal level because they had something in common: maybe they had the same kind of hobbies, maybe they had the same dark sense of humour, maybe they liked the same kind of sports or there was just some chemistry that allowed their friendship to flourish. But otherwise, even when there was no chemistry present for any kind of friendship to exist, most of us simply remained very professional and maintained a kind of cordial but formal working relationship with the rest of the team. I once had to worked with this older Russian lady - let's call her Elena. I realized that because of the huge differences in culture, I was never going to become her good friend and any over the top efforts to try to be her friend would just come across as awkward. Instead, I kept it formal and even though I worked closely with her for 8 years, we never ever grew any closer. We were at best colleagues, I wouldn't consider her my friend. I never once saw her outside the context of work for the 8 years we were colleagues. Heck, I never even had lunch with her once in those 8 years.

My point is simple: when you force people to work closely together for long hours over an extended period of time, they become very good at tolerating each other and maintaining a veneer of professional civility. This is a simple mechanism to reduce conflict and get work done, people often default to this modus operandi when placed in a challenging situation. I call it simply making the best of a bad situation. Would I choose to be Elena's friend if I had the choice? No. But we had to work together and I had to create a professional, civil working relationship with her as I had to see her everyday in the office. The common experience of working together on so many projects required us to have a good working relationship - but let's not confuse that with friendship but more to the point, the hours of meetings I shared with Elena, even the business trips we took together had failed to bring us together as friends.
After 8 years of working with Elena, we remained colleagues and never became friends.

In the context of NS, there's one other major factor that you need to consider: the near total absence of choice. We have this saying in the army, "it is not your grandfather's army" - that means you don't get a say, you do as you're told, don't question your instructions. Those serving NS simply have no choice over their vocations - they are assigned their vocations and all you can do is hope for the best whilst expecting the worst. When you complete your BMT, you receive your assigned vocation and it can be a total surprise that could leave you happy, worried, surprised, scared, apprehensive or all of the above, all at the same time. You then get on a truck and end up in another camp with a bunch of strangers all experiencing that crazy cocktail of emotions. Tentatively, you turn to the person next to you and hope to make a friend - oh yes, we've all been there. Now, I just so happen to have a group of friends who are veterinary students at RVC or are already qualified as vets.  They actually have a lot more in common because they all chose to go down this road as vets: they are first and foremost united by a love for animals and if you wanna talk about shared experiences, then yeah vets do have that on the basis of their long training process. But I stress - they chose to be vets and the fact that they all chose to make the same choice unites them.

Even if you find people who did like their vocation, it still wasn't something they chose to do because one simply does not have the luxury of choosing one's vocation in NS. As a civilian today, I have the luxury of choice in my daily life: I can choose where I want to live, whether I want to rent or get on the property ladder. I can choose what kind of company I want to work for, what kind of career I want. I can choose whom I want to make friends with and what kind of social circle I wish to create. I can choose what I want to wear tomorrow or where I want to go for lunch. As a soldier serving NS, you have none of that choice: your vocation is assigned to you, your living quarters are assigned to you and the SAF decides when you get to go home on the weekend and when you have to report back by. You are told whom you have to work with and how you're supposed to work with them. You get no choice over attire as you're given a uniform and whilst the food is free, you don't get to decide what's on the menu. You must eat what you're given.
Not your grandpa's army!

You see, I take issue with Ruther's theory that if you force a group of men to spend more time training and working together, that shared experience will make them bond. You see, I just don't buy that. That's a very passive approach to the issue - that's imagining that men can be moulded by the system and it is at best, a rather idealistic, romantic view of things. Wanna make this group of men bond? Simple make them spend time together - and if they're not bonding yet? Make them spend even more time together until they bond. I simply don't believe that human relations are that simple, that you can force people to bond and become friends like that. My alternative theory in response to Ruther's postulation is that some guys go into NS with a positive attitude and even if they find themselves in a 'shiong' vocation which involves a lot of hardship, they take it on the chin and say, "hey, let's be positive and optimistic about this: I am sure will learn a lot from this experience and it will be good for me." So even when they endure hardship, they put a positive spin on it and imagine that this shared experience will create some kind of bond with others who are going through the same shit - but that ignores one crucial factor: our emotional response as individuals to events.

Allow me to explain: you can subject a whole group of people to the same kind of prolonged training period and plenty of 'outfield' exercises (as described by Ruther), they will still not all have the same experience. You could subject 100 people to the same experience such as sending them on a long, grueling outfield exercise and get a wide range emotional responses to it. Some guys may treat it as the adventure of a life time and have a lot of fun whilst others may miss the comforts of home or their loved ones, thus hating every moment of it. The same experience can illicit a very different response from different experiences - thus that shared experience will not bond the different individuals involved unless you have some degree of similarity in your emotional response to it. I'm not saying that it is not possible but let's not ignore this factor by assuming that everyone will have the same emotional response when we're all unique individuals. In fact, a very different emotional response to the same experience may be a barrier to bonding.  Allow me to give you an example about different emotional responses, not from NS but from my working life.
What is your emotional response to BMT?

In this company where I worked some years back, I had this colleague - let's call him William. Him and I worked on the same team and whilst we had little in common, we did establish a cordial and civil working relationship which was a bit formal but never antagonistic. There was a nasty woman in the office - let's call her Ms Snake as she was a snake in the grass, that's how sneaky she was. We worked in sales then and Ms Snake had sneaked up on William and I quite a few times and stole deals right out of our hands - her tactic was simple: when she knew we were working on a deal with company ABCD, she would then contact them as well and when the deal materialized, she would claim, "hey I was speaking to the people at ABCD as well, I want a share of the commission." The bosses often sided with Ms Snake because she was great at sales and they didn't want to lose her. William eventually left the company because he couldn't deal with a colleague like Ms Snake - he did run to me for help several times and I guess we were both trying to make the best of a bad situation. After all, we both hated Ms Snake and knew she was trouble.

We were faced with the same problem: Ms Snake. We both hated her. We found ourselves in an unholy alliance which I can only describe as "my enemy's enemy is my friend". Usually, we rarely talked to each other but now, he was pulling me aside and saying, "Alex, could we chat for a moment this lunchtime? Let's go to the local coffee shop please. I want to share with you what Ms Snake is up to and was wondering if you were aware of it." Now this is where we parted company. I thought the way to deal with it was to cover your tracks, speak in another language (whoops - William was monolingual) so Ms Snake couldn't overhear your conversations, work from home away from the office and throw her a few false leads - pretend that you're about to close a big deal with company WXYZ when they have already said no, so you will send Ms Snake on a wild goose chase trying to track down whom the decision maker is at WXYZ: fight fire with fire, give her a taste of her own medicine. William disagreed - he thought I was playing her game and he wanted me to join him in confronting the management about Ms Snake's unethical ways and he expected them to police the situation much like a primary school teacher in a playground. I told him it wasn't going to happen - they like Ms Snake too much and they were going to let her get away with murder as long as her sales figures were good.
William and I couldn't agree on what to do about Ms Snake.

So, there you are: William and I were working together in the same company, facing the same problem, in the same challenging situation, facing a common enemy in the form of Ms Snake. Yet our emotional responses were so different. My attitude was, "if you can't beat her, join her - do things her way and let's see how can be more devious, maybe you can even make her realize you're not the kind of person she should mess with if you can fuck her up and she will leave you alone, but such is the world of sales for you. She is pretty typical, not everyone is as honest as you." Whereas William, well, he just could bring himself to compromise on his principles when it comes to integrity and honesty and he couldn't accept that the management really didn't care how Ms Snake did her deals, as long as she was making a lot of money for the company. My refusal to do things William's way did cause a rift: quite simply, I had a different emotional response to the situation and he tried but failed to convince me to do things his way. That did frustrate him admittedly but it was nothing personal, we're just very different people despite the fact that we worked together for some years in the same job, in the same environment. The shared experience failed to make us bond because of this huge difference in our emotional responses to what we encountered together. William and I eventually both left that company. I ran into him once at a train station in London some years back and chatted a little - but we've not make any kind of real effort to keep in touch. There's no animosity at all between William and I - we're just two guys who worked together for many years but failed to bond despite everything we experienced together.

Sometimes life can throw you a curved ball and you can force two people to go through the same bad experience and they not emerge as best friends if they simply turn against each other under pressure and I invite you to read this true story I witnessed of one such incident. It is a pressure cooker situation - these more 'shiong' vocations that Ruther refers to are no fun at all - they are not holiday camps at the seaside, they are challenging at the best of time: you work very hard with a bunch of guys you may have nothing in common with, you're in an unfamiliar environment, you miss the comforts of home and you're probably sleep deprived most of the time. I've talked about people making the best of a bad situation and emerging 'intact' from the experience, but I also have plenty of stories of  people who simply crack under pressure when placed in such very challenging circumstances and they react with a toxic mix of irrationality, spite, anger and malice. Believe me, it's not just in NS when seemingly normal people crack under pressure like that. It can happen in school, at university or in the workplace when people can't handle the pressure.
Anyone can crack under pressure - it's not right but it happens.

Ruther made the assumption that the shared experience (in the form of the difficult circumstances) will somehow force the men to bond, seeking comfort in each other's company and help each other through those very hard challenges at work. Oh in an ideal world, sure that would be nice, wouldn't it? But anyone who has served NS would tell you that the social dynamics amongst the men are tricky at the best of times and there are plenty of instances of people not getting along. And no amount of making the men work together for long hours is going to iron out those differences: if anything, it merely makes the situation worse as they are forced to tolerate each other for long whilst rubbing each other up the wrong way constantly, hour after hour, day after day. Whilst most people would usually choose to bear with it, let's not mistake tolerating someone you hate as a sign of friendship or bonding. Hell no, we choose not to beat up the bastard we hate simply because assault is a serious crime and we do not want to go to jail over losing our tempers. No, it's not worth it. And thus we have this status quo as a result of people making the best of a bad situation.

So that's it from me on this issue. What do you think about it guys? Does a shared experience invetiably make people bond or are we really still looking for people who are on the same wavelengths as ourselves on an emotional level? Or am I simply too cynical - is the shared experience of 'making the best of a bad situation' enough to bring us together at some level? Do let me know your thoughts on this issue, leave a comment below and let's chat about it, especially if you have served NS and can talk about the friends you have made during your NS stint. Many thanks for reading.

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  1. This is an interesting point of view that I have not really considered. The idea that building a friendship based on shared experience is really quite initutive that I have not really stopped to consider its validity.

    I would argue that it's a bit of both actually. I would say that having a common experience does make it easier for two people to be friends, though if their wavelengths are not on the same frequency, the friendship may not be sustainable.

    On the other hand, even if they have the same frequency, without any common ground or shared experiences, it can be hard to find topics to talk about which can be taxing on the friendship, if both parties are not particularly good at talking.

    I would imagine this is one of the biggest reason why long distance relationships often doesn't work out. The common experience shared by both parties dwindle, and the other party's lifestyle becomes too foreign, causing the relationship to eventually burns itself out. In this case, the compatibility of their personalities, emotional wavelength may not really overcome the drastic lifestyle differences.

    Just my 2 cents

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    1. Having a SO that is too similar to you won't work out too well sometimes too. If would probably be so boring that you would be basically like dating your own self.
      In this article (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/head-games/201412/do-opposites-really-attract-its-complicated) the author mentions that 2 people having very similar characters doesn't automatically mean they will be happy together.
      At the end of the day i think an ideal balance is still the best approach.

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  2. This is definitely an interesting point of view that I haven't really stopped to consider, since the idea of building friendship on common grounds is quite intuitive.

    I would actually say it's a mix of both that I really think about it. It's definitely easier to talk to someone if both parties have some sort of common grounds, and definitely people can become friends over these shared experiences. Though, as you point out, if both of them are not on the same wavelength, it can be very difficult to sustain the relationship.

    On the other hand, I would imagine even if the parties are on the same frequencies, without any sort of common experiences tying them together, it can be quite hard for the other party to relate to you. Case in point, whenever I met up with my primary/secondary/Jc school friends, we would almost always talk about some topics related to our school days. Have we moved on past that? Definitely, I do think we have own own lives now, and we do talk about those new experiences. However, having some sort of common ground can be quite a good way to involve everyone in the conversation, if that make sense. Hence I do think that having some common ground can definitely allow people to bond.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    1. Hi Jaye, most of us realize when we find ourselves in a situation like NS that life is probably going to be a lot easier if we manage to find friends quickly and at least forge civil working relationships with people we don't like - the last thing we want is for the relationship to breakdown into something quite antagonistic. But a common ground based on a shared experience doesn't guarantee that you will actually bond with that person but the inability to bond at any meaningful level does not stop you from creating that professional working relationship based on civility rather than any notion of friendship. I've worked with loads of people over the years - am I friends with everyone I've encountered? No, but am I civil and polite with everyone of them? Well, with practically all of them, yes.

      I'm simply making a distinction here: there will be people we honestly don't really like but are forced by circumstances to form a working relationship with based on civility. I can work with someone I don't like for years and be civil with him every day (or in the case of Ms Snake, I was civil with her everyday) - I still fucking hated her guts at the same time. There are just some people whom you will never bond with, regardless of the amount of shared experiences you may have. It then boils down to whether you have the chemistry to click as friends, rather than the amount of time you spend working together.

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  3. Limpeh, I agree with you one one point. We have to agree to disagree. Otherwise, no meaningful conversation will carry on.

    In my opinion, having a shared experience has nothing to do with whether you make friends with another person or not. Hence, I don't believe having a more, so-called, "shiong" vocation mean that you will make friends easier. Also, I admit that having a shared value or hobby makes thing easier but that's not necessary the case. Some people can have the same value and hobby but the chemistry just isn't there and they can be acquaintance but never be friends.

    Therefore, I think it's more about our acceptance towards that person.

    Also, the perspective also plays a part. Take for example, a person is forthright about something and just say his or her mind but those who are listening just brand that person as "tactless". I believe all of us can accept a forthright person but we all have reservation about a tactless person. However, did we ever think that the person tactless-ness is because he/she is just utterly forthright to the point that he/she doesn't want to express his/her view in a more tactful manner?

    Hence, I think our ability to think in another person's shoe (换位思考) also plays a part in accepting a person.

    Of course, life is not all smooth and plain sailing, there are also extreme cases. If you utterly despise a person to the point that you wouldn't even stand breathing in the same air as him/her. What's more, being friend with him/her? Forget it! That's impossible!

    (I'm sorry, I was pretty distracted while writing this comment. I try to keep it as coherent as possible)

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    1. Hi Chee Ming,

      I think you can lay out all the prerequisites and preconditions for friendship, but it boils down to one thing: do you like the person? Cos if you have some reason to dislike the person, then that it's: no amount of cultural affinity, shared experiences/interests can help build that friendship. There's a guy in my gym whom I seemingly have a lot in common with: we both speak several languages, train hard at gymnastics and have even once worked in the same company (but not at the same time!) - but once he said something rude to me that suggested that he thought he knew more about gymnastics than I did and from that moment on, I was like - that's it you've made an enemy, how dare you speak to me like that. Maybe if he knew how offensive what he said had come across, he would not have said it - but can you see how one conversation like that can ruin any chances of a friendship happening? I'm still civil to him when I see him in the gym - but do I want to be his friend? No way. No thanks. You call it "acceptance towards that person" - I call it "liking that person" but I think we're talking about the same thing here and yes, on that point, we do see eye to eye and agree.

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  4. Hi LIFT,

    First, I would like to redefine what I actually mean by "making friends". It does not refer to long lasting, sustainable relationships. I
    However, it refers to being able to interact with one another during your NS life. Like what you said, we are forced to be together and do those exercises. Hence, we are also forced to interact with each other, which thus build bonds during that short period of time in NS provided that we demonstrated teamwork during those activities. Although there maybe differences in experiences, we are still under a "common framework" in a sense that we suffer together. Therefore, it would be easier for us to start a conversation when interacting with each other.

    However, in vocations with less outfields, there will be more admin (rest) time and that is when we will only interact with people with same frequency, simply because we do not  suffer together that often as compared to vocations which has more oppotunities for working together. We will hence start a conversation with one another by playing the same game in our cellphones, watch the same movie in our cellphones, talking about a common topic of interest, listening to the same music etc. And those who are not interested simply just join anothet clique. For the more 'siong' vocations, we have less time for entertainment, and sometimes after outfields, which these experience might be wuite significant to some of us because we would not experience it in civilian life, we tend to talk about it often during rest time, which builds some sort of a short term bond.

    And the fact that I asked for your vocation is because I read many of your NS articles and I realized that you didn't mention your vocation at all. Maybe you think is irrelevant, but I thought that many readers might be curious about this and interested if you share some of your outfield experiences related to your vocation.

    Of course, like what you said, making friends essentially requires you to be on a similar wavelength with the person and even in NS, there are people who sabotage one another and are not helpful/considerate at all, and these people will be hated by the others, especially during outfield.

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    1. Dear Ruther,

      Some bullet points for you.

      1. As I've said so many freaking times before and I'll say again, this isn't about me - I am writing about a topic. I may drop in a few personal anecdotes to illustrate a point but it doesn't mean that I am basing an entire argument based on my personal experiences. I don't know how to make that any more clear without typing in caps or swearing at you - you seem to have a major reading comprehension problem. You kinda remind me of my parents: you're stubborn, once you have a certain theory in your head, you will not budge from that position even though I am telling you quite clearly in no uncertain terms - you are wrong. You have misread the situation, you have misunderstood me. I can only repeat it this once and if you prove to be one of those stubborn mules who refuses to listen, then I see no point in trying to interact with you any further. I have no freaking choice with my parents (though we're barely on speaking terms) and if you prove to have a serious reading comprehension problem: then it's simple. I'll just ignore you.

      2. I don't want to mention my vocation at this point not because I am hiding anything but because I have made it explicitly clear to you on so many occasions that this isn't about me - but you still stubbornly persist in trying to make that link between my experiences and my vocation with my theories when I have very clearly told you in no uncertain terms that I am not just talking about myself - but about the topic which is, in case you didn't read again, is "do shared experiences make people bond". I can only tell you so many times politely that you are wrong and you're barking up the wrong tree. If you insist on barking up the wrong tree despite me telling you that you're wrong - listen, I just won't entertain you any further. I've got much better things to do with my life. My boss has sent me a bloody big excel spreadsheet of data which I need to look at before Monday morning.

      3. I still don't buy your theory about "shared experiences" + "suffer together" = easier to start a conversation. I don't. Perhaps I have a total lack of empathy for people because I feel like I have suffered more than my fair share of shit in my life - like where do I begin? Autistic & abusive parents for a start? Plenty of bullying in my school days? More than my fair share of crap in NS? And things were just so awful in the first 21 years in my life in Singapore I thought, fuck it, I'm better off trying my luck and starting afresh elsewhere in another country because it has been just totally awful so far. So when people come to me and want sympathy from having had a "shiong" vocation or a mean officer to deal with in NS, I'm like, you pussy, grow up, just shut up and take it like a man, this is the army. Let me be the first to admit, if that makes me an asshole, if that makes me a horrible person because of this lack of empathy/sympathy, then yeah I'll wear that shoe if it fits. So don't you come running to me about suffering in NS cos I'm just to shit diarrhea on your bullshit stories about shiong vocations rather than bond with you.

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    2. 4. So I simply don't buy that bullshit about shiong vocations - you're talking to an ex-national champion gymnast who trained under the most evil PRC coach in my teenage years on the national team. Any of the "shiong" activities you wanna talk about from your NS days would be a walk in the park for any national team gymnast. Kindly allow me to shit stinky diarrhea on your theory as I have survived something on another scale that you Singaporean pussies would never ever experience unless you had the honour to have been coached by the most evil PRC gymnastics coaches. After my gymnastics training, I have this air of superiority over the vast majority of people - I just think that you pussies can't 吃苦 at all and you think some outfield exercise can tantamount to 吃苦? How can I say this without sounding rude, but I think you're a pussy who can't 吃苦 and you're totally delusional.

      5. Outfield my ass. My stinky diarrhea ass. Outfield. Ha. You pussies have never ever 吃苦 a day in your life before. Pussy. Maybe Donald Trump would wanna give you a good grope cos you're such a big pussy.

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    3. PS. You're a big pussy. A bit stinky one too - or a chao cheeby, as we say in the SAF.

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    4. OK calling you a chao cheeby pussy who can't ever 吃苦 is a bit extreme - but I don't regret it as it does illustrate my very important point about different emotional responses to the same experience and how this huge difference can cause a rift, preventing any bonding.

      I've had a good night's sleep and calmed down - so let me state for the record. I was picked for training on the national team from a young age and it was the time when Singapore first started using PRC coaches. It was Eileen Chai and Jackie Choy who first bucked the trend having spent their school holidays training in Beijing (at the Beijing sports institute) and then the PRC coaches started coming to work in Singapore because, hey there's no language barrier for them in Singapore. From a young age, I was subjected to PRC coaches who were insanely abusive, if you could not perform a skill to their satisfaction, to their China-gymnastics standard, you were subjected to a physical punishments. You were lucky if the coach lashed out and beat you on the spot, because they would make you do extra strength exercises till you were broken and crying - at the 1984 LA Olympics, China won 4 gold medals in men's gymnastics (USA 2 golds, Japan 2 golds - China was clearly the best in the world) and I was a kid who thought, wow I wanna be that good, I wanna be like the best in the world and so I must subject myself to this kind of regime in order to be good. I was plagued with injuries, I was even training for a while with stress fractures in my spine and a broken fibula bone in my left knee but I was such a robot machine that I could mentally block out pain from broken bones. That's how fucking tough I was and I wanted to be that tough - that was what champions were made of.

      So from a young age, that was the kind of regime I was training under. And there were results: three time national champion. And in 1993, when there was this Singapore vs Thailand competition, I was the only Singaporean gymnast to medal against a superior Thai team and even the Thai coaches acknowledged how tough I was. In 1996, I went to the Asia-Pacific Alliance competition and made two finals (pommel horse and vault) and that was unheard of in those days for a Singaporean to make any finals in a big international competition. The head of the Singaporean men's gymnastics programme then Mr Foo realized that I was not the most talented gymnast but the most hardworking one who yielded to the PRC coaches' demands without question with military like discipline. I even started speaking Mandarin with a northern-Beijing accent just like the coaches because I respected their authority and I really, really wanted to be a great gymnast.

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    5. So imagine me, a kid who grew up under that kind of insane, intense training regiment - one designed to turn ordinary kids into Olympic material. You see, for most Singaporean men, they have such comfortable lives as students: their parents and probably their maids would make sure they are spared of domestic tasks like housework just so they can focus on their studies. Their sports activities are limited to CCA/ECA type games which are done for fun or fitness, but rarely at a serious competitive level. In fact, the first and only time in their lives they ever had a taste of 吃苦 is when they serve NS and have a bit of abuse in the system especially if they have a more "shiong" vocation.

      I had my share of "shiong" hardship in NS and I turned around and said, "what kind of pussy-cheeby bullshit is this? This is nothing compared to the kind of gymnastics training I had previously, when I was much, much younger." Look, the big contrast was this: the PRC coaches were evil but there was a method to their madness. You wanna avoid punishment, then you perform perfectly, like a machine to their standards and satisfaction. In doing so, you can then win competitions and their praise. In the SAF, I saw a lot of fucked up middle-ranking regulars with a lot of angst bullying soldiers of lower rank. It was frustrating - the bullying and abuse had no real purpose: it was just a way for their middle-ranking regulars (and some NSF as well) to have fun. Oh if I started listing individual cases, we'll be here forever, but there was so much awful, abusive bullying behaviour with no real purpose. I gladly allowed the PRC coaches to be as abusive as they liked because it made me a champion - but what I saw in the SAF was stupid, meaningless, dumb, fucked up on so many levels. You're talking to someone who had 吃苦 as a child on a pretty extreme PRC-crazy coach level from a very young age and thus my emotional response to any kind of so-called "shiong" vocation in NS is, "what kind of stupid, meaningless, vapid bullshit in this, run by such idiotic assholes?"

      Did I have a sense of superiority over the rest of the people around me? You bet I did. And I still do. Did it make me hard to get along? Yes, definitely. But more to the point, did it prevent me from bonding with the people around me (whom I considered vastly inferior to myself)? Definitely. We had the same experiences, but since I had such disdain for everyone around me, no, my emotional response stopped me from bonding with the others. I didn't want to. I had plenty of 'shared experiences' with the men I did NS with - but because I had very different upbringing, I had a very different emotional response to my experiences and that did stop me from bonding with them.

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    6. I grant you this: if you were an average Singaporean male who never did any sports and got posted to a 'shiong' vocation and you met other Singaporean guys like yourself, similar background, never ever suffered anything like that before - then yeah, that sheer amount of similarity in your background will probably illicit a similar emotional response and allow bonding to happen. But that is still contingent on the emotional response to be similar enough for the men to bond. If the emotional response is different (as in my case) for whatever reason, then no they won't bond. You need to respect the fact that even in a place like the SAF, everyone is still an individual - you may not have any choice over your vocation and you are always going to follow orders in such an environment, but individuals are still going to offer different emotional responses to the same experience. I have been very honest about why I was hard to get along with in NS because I felt such disdain towards the people around me - but I felt I had to explain my POV because you thought it was all down to my vocation when I had to say, "no it isn't - it has far more to do with my gymnastics training which dominated much of my childhood growing up, prior to enlistment." So many men go through NS, do you think many of them have a similar kind of upbringing and childhood? Think about it.

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    7. wait a minute I thought it was illegal to bully a lower-soldier in the Army Base?

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    8. Hahahahahaha. Where did you get that silly idea from? Grow up kid. You're no longer in primary school. There's no teacher to run to when bullying happens in the army. You're an adult and you're supposed to deal with it as an adult.

      What other crazy shit do you believe Neon?

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    9. so what should I do if I get bullied by a high or middle ranking soldier?

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    10. Hi Neon, that's a really good question - one that I cannot reply in full here. I'm seeing my friends in 30 minutes anyway so I don't have the time to write it now. I will write a reply for you at some point in the form of a post.

      But may I state that it isn't just higher ranking soldiers you have to worry about, those of the same rank can make life hell for you as well. There is a LOT of bullying going on in the army, like you wouldn't believe just how much and the bottom line is that you're expected to behave like an adult and solve your own problems. You're no longer a little boy in primary school - you can't run to the teacher and scream "teacher teacher he bully me". There is really no one to run to in the army like that - even if you run to a higher ranking officer, they may not want to help you: you'll just be seen as a trouble maker making more work for him to deal with and often in such environments, the bullies get away with it because nobody wants to be seen as the trouble maker. These officers already have a substantial workload and are very busy - if you run to them with a complaint of being bullied, you're adding to their workload. You won't get any sympathy: you'll be seen as a stupid, annoying little git who has gone around offending people and have brought this upon yourself because you're a dumbass little piece of shit. There is really no sympathy for victims of bullying in that kind of environment.

      You are expected to learn quickly and get along with the very people around you and if you end up being bullied - well, the victim is always blamed in the first instance and in most instances, the bullies get away with it.

      I will write more about this as I believe it is an important issue that nobody talks about because they have too much faith in the system.

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    11. so true during my primary schools or secondary school days most student would rather let the system solve their problem.

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  5. LIFT, i like your thinking on how you would go about dealing with that Snake character. If I were you, i would probably do the same thing. Since management wouldn't do anything about her, it would be left to you and your fellow colleagues to try to frustrate her enough to stop her behaviour or force her out.
    On another note, i went thru 2 units, 2.5 years of NS and 10 years of ICT cycles. Till today i don't keep contact with any of my ex-NS mates. We are simply too different and i don't despise them i just don't have anything in common with them apart from being in the same shit at the same time.

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    1. Well guess what? Ms Snake is still there at the same company, she hasn't progressed, she feels so comfortable having carved a niche for herself where she can bully others on her team that she is never going to budge. Whereas both William and I have moved on to better things - he now works for Lexis Nexis, it's a really big company with a proper HR department and in that kind of environment they wouldn't tolerate Ms Snake's kind of behaviour. William is much happier there today and is doing really well there I'm pleased to say. And as for myself, I've moved onto corporate finance and have a great team - so far so good, everyone is honest and nice, I don't have to deal with any more Snake-type characters. But yeah you can see, how William and I were both faced with Ms Snake but because we were such different characters to begin with, our emotional responses to her were sooo different.

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  6. I do agree with LIFT that making people with unlike minds live together just make them more tolerant towards each other. It does not bond them.
    Ruther is a typical product of our system-the Singaporean conventional wisdom. That tough training make men out of boys. Since our NS is mandatory, our media tow the line and glorify it. Many of us are just too distracted by what we read in the Singapore papers to actually follow another universal conventional wisdom-if you want to achieve your goals , you must be in the company of like- minded people with similar emotional response to ups and downs along the way. This is what we called "passion".

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  7. I do agree with LIFT that making people of unlike minds live together just make them more tolerant towards each other. It does not bond them.
    Ruther is a typical product of our system-the Singaporean conventional wisdom. That tough training makes men out of boys. That this is how brotherly bonds are built. Since NS is mandatory in Singapore, our media tow the line and glorify it. Many of us are just too distracted to follow another universal conventional wisdom-if you want to achieve your goals you must be in the company of like-minded people with similar emotional response to ups and downs along the way. This is what we called "passion". I am not saying you can't find passion at all in NS. But more often than not, people just breath a sign of relieve after walking out of camp with their pink IC. That they do not need to put up with this person or that person anymore.

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    1. Thanks Observer. I think Ruther's problem is that of stubbornness - he has one theory in his head and he refuses to accept that there could be different people, who have had different circumstances and thus have different outcomes. His theory is only valid under a certain set of circumstances (which I assume, applied to his case) - but what about people like myself who have had a vastly different upbringing which led to me having a very different perspective on the same issues?

      He could quite simply say, "okay you've had a different experience because your circumstances were very different" and left it at that, but he insisted on the validity of his theory in my case despite the fact that I had clearly told him that my circumstances were extremely different. That's when the term, squeezing a square peg into a round hole comes to mind - you can't have a one-size-fits-all approach to explaining complex social interactions.

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    2. That is exactly why when I provide examples citing my personal experiences, I always try to include in a disclaimer that though it worked out for me, it might not work out for anyone else. Everyone is different, but precisely because of the differences, there is always room for lessons to be learnt from these differences.

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    3. There's nothing wrong with citing personal experiences, I think sharing personal stories do bring an example to life and readers genuinely enjoy reading personal anecdotes like that - however, it should be treated as such, an example, a case study that happened in one case, that's all. Sure we can learn lessons from these stories but to then assume that the principles apply universally to everyone regardless of their circumstances? Nah, it doesn't work like that in real life.

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  8. Yes, time spend with another person is a pre-requisite to a deep friendship. However, more time spend with another person can go either way, i) like each other more, or ii) hate each other more. I would like to think of more time spend together as a amplification of a person's likes or dislike towards another person. Imagine, you put 2 sworn enemies together in a cell, do you think that they will definitely kiss up and make up due to more "common experiences", or kill each other? My vote goes to the latter

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    1. Aaaah very well said Tung Sing, I love the prison cell mate analogy. Yes they could end up hating each other - I have seen that happen a lot. I remember this guy I had to work with - let's call him Quah - on the surface, we seemed to have enough in common (same vocation, both from JCs, both from AMK) but somehow, we hated each other so much because working together forced us to confront things we didn't like about each other. If Quah was merely someone else in the camp, then I could quite easily ignore him but I was forced to work side by side him. I was more careful in hiding my feelings but he got quite antagonistic in openly picking fights with me - thankfully, I got shifted to another department (within the same unit) and got a different work mate who was far more easy going. I think if you put Quah and I in the same cell at a prison, yeah we'll end up killing each other.

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