Saturday 3 December 2016

Please help me try to understand my parents

Hi guys, my family have just left after visiting me for a week. I told you about the big argument I've had with them when they were here - well, I had a chat with my sister and she explained some things to me. She was able to tell me exactly how they deal with certain circumstances but she was unable to tell me why - apart from stating that they've always been like that and attributing it to their culture (of which I do not feel a part of). I'm reaching out to my readers who have older Asian parents to try to understand what is going on. I suppose I have not lived with my parents for 19 years and it's kinda hard to appreciate just how old they've become. I admit, I don't know how their age has affected their behaviour, I'm at at loss; so that's why I am asking for help from others who may also have elderly Asian parents too.
Now, what my sister explained was this: the moment my parents have formed an opinion of something, they simply will not change the opinion under any circumstances even when they are clearly wrong. You may think, okay they're a bit stubborn - oh no, it goes way beyond that. Let me give you a simple example, my father is under the impression that once the temperature falls below 0 degrees, it will always snow. I had to explain to him that it can be very cold and dry, it may fall below 0 degrees but snow is never guaranteed as it depends on so many different conditions that will produce precipitation in those circumstances that will fall as snow. We've been having some very cold weather of late, with night time temperatures falling to -4 degrees some nights but we have not had any snow. So we were walking back from the restaurant after dinner and it was so cold, some of the puddles on the ground were frozen and there was plenty of frost around. It was a very cold night indeed. My nephew asked what temperature it was and I said it was below zero. My father argued that no, it is above zero because it is not snowing.

We then stopped at some ice on the road and I tried to reason with him: water freezes at 0 degrees, right? How come that puddle of water is frozen? The fact that it is frozen means that it is at least 0 degrees right now, if not colder. He then claimed that the water has impurities which made it freeze at above 0 degrees and I said, no - if you have impurities in the water, then that that lowers the freezing point of the water, not raise it. That's why we scatter salt on the roads when it is very icy, as the impurities (in the form of salt) would lower the melting point of the ice, causing the ice to melt even when it is say -2 degrees. But no amount of logic, science or reasoning could persuade him that he was wrong and I was right - he insisted that the temperature was above zero despite the fact that nobody in the family agreed with him (but I think nobody had any desire to argue with him either). So I asked him what was his reasoning: he said that when he watched TV programmes of winter scenes, there was always snow on the ground so he equates sub-zero temperature with snow and if there's no snow, it must be above zero. So I said, right so your guess work is based on some impression you got from TV programmes, rather than any actual science. That says it all. Sigh.
My father thinks he knows more about winter weather than I do?!?

Is my father really that stupid when it comes to science? No, surely not. But he biggest fault is that he refuses to let anyone tell him that he is wrong, even when the evidence (in the form of a big frozen puddle) is staring him in the face. So I decided it was not worth it, my father was here for a holiday, not study for a science exam (unlike my nephew who is still in secondary school). The next morning, after a bitterly cold night, there was frost on my roof garden. He claimed that was snow that had fallen overnight, I said no, that's not snow, it's frost. It's the small bits of dew that have frozen overnight - but did he listen to me? No, he declared it had snowed overnight despite -ahem- his son being the one who's spent 19 years in Europe, lived through so many winters and has a degree in geography. I have given up trying to teach him anything to do with science as he would rather rely on his gut instinct and guess work rather than modern science. So even when he is wrong, he refuses to let anyone tell him he is wrong.

My mother is just as bad when it comes to this aspect. Once she forms an opinion, she would never change her mind. You see in the UK and indeed Europe, churches tend to have an open door policy - you may visit during daylight hours and often in the evenings as well, they are friendly and want to attract more worshipers. In Singapore, you tend not to wander into someone's church if you're not a member of that church or if you're going there say for a wedding or a mass. I brought them to a church and my mother hesitated and said, "we'd better not disturb them, you can't visit other people's church." I reassured her that it was fine and begrudgingly, she entered the beautiful church. My sister started taking photos of the stained glass windows and my mother stopped her, saying that you should take pictures in the church for it is not respectful. I then stopped and asked the priest if we were allowed to visit and take photos. The priest couldn't have been nicer - he welcomed us and told us that he positively encourages visitors to take photos, tweet them, post them on Instagram, do Facebook check-ins and talk about the church on social media as they really want to reach out to the younger generation. Did that assure my mother? Nope, not at all. I thought the priest's warm welcome would suffice, but the moment we left the church, my mother said again, "You really shouldn't have taken photos in there, you're invading their privacy." And I was like, did you not hear a word of what the priest said at all?
My mother clearly didn't listen to a word the priest said.

OK that's just two examples (I have plenty more) so as you can see, my parents' take being stubborn to a whole new level. Don't get me wrong, we shared lovely moments together as a family during this visit, but they often say extremely misinformed things about London which would lead to me correcting them and them refusing to believe a word I say. Hey, I have lived here for 19 years and am a British citizen, I wonder who knows more about English culture and London? Me or my father who can barely string a sentence together in English. Of course, he thinks he knows more than me. My sister often tells me to just let it go because it's just not worth it - what's the point? Even if you do teach them something about physical geography or British culture, what are they going to do with that knowledge? Why do you even bother trying to educate them? Just let them be. I eventually realized that my sister opts for this approach as there's no real alternative - me trying to inform them just leads to more arguments and unpleasantness when they refuse to believe a word I say, despite the fact that my father has just conveniently rewritten the laws of physics to support his utterly ridiculous beliefs.

I have a few theories as to why they are like that, if you do have older parents, can you tell which of these theories are true and which are not? I have listed five plausible theories here, I'm not sure which ones of these five are applicable in this case (some, all, none?) - but for what it is worth, could I get your opinion? Or is it something else altogether?
1. Elderly folks = Senile/forgetful

One can't ignore the fact that the inability to learn anything new or even absorb simple information is a sign of senility. My friend Steve's mother is very senile and she can't remember even the most basic things - sometimes she even stares at Steve and asks, "who are you? Have you seen my son?" Steve is 50 today and in her mind, Steve is a very young man. (Yeah, sad, I know.)  Certainly my parents are not that forgetful - they still lead very independent lives in that they drive around Singapore in their car, they like remaining fiercely independent even though their short term memory isn't great sometimes. But I found it astonishing that my mother could 'forget' that we had just been told a few minutes ago by the very friendly priest that we were more than welcome to take photographs - how could this be? Is her short term memory really that bad? How can you 'forget' a conversation that took place a few minutes ago? Certainly, she appears to be very much capable of everyday tasks, but I really don't understand enough about how older folks start losing their memory and start becoming very forgetful as senile dementia kicks in.

For example, I have shown my parents how to use the shower - it is not rocket science, I don't have a space-age shower. There are two functions: you control the temperature of the water by twisting the knob to the left and right, then you either pull out the lever to start the shower or push it in to turn off the shower. How hard can that be? How can you forget? But every single day, they looked at it as if they were seeing it for the first time and no matter how I teach them, they just cannot remember. I had to adjust the water temperature for them. Look they both drive cars in Singapore - if you can operate a car, then surely learning how to use a shower is a lot easier? If they can't even figure out how to use a shower, then should they be still driving? If it is indeed senile dementia kicking in, then maybe we should stop them driving - a task which can have deadly consequences if they suddenly forget how to change gears?
Why do some people find it hard to remember things?

2. I don't need to work anymore, so why bother learning or listening?

Perhaps dementia hasn't kicked in (not yet anyway) - what has kicked in however is just a form of laziness. My parents are retired and have been very passive in terms of embracing anything new. When they worked as teachers, they only learnt new things, attended courses etc when the school made them do so - they always claimed they were so busy working that they had no time for anything like hobbies outside work. When they had free time, they simply read the newspaper or watched TV. I remember my mother being made to go on a course back in the early 1990s and she grumbled about having to learn new stuff at her age - she clearly didn't like the idea of having to be a student again, I guess it made her insecure because it can be potentially stressful if you go on a course only to discover that you suck at the subject and find everything a real struggle. That's the kind of stress that students face everyday at school of course as they are constantly learning, but you'll be amazed how many older folks - especially retirees - gladly stop learning anything new and after many years of being like that, they become totally unable to pick up new thing - it is a mindset that afflicts a lot of older folks who are not longer working.

This manifests itself in the form of what I term, "listening comprehension fail" - ie. if something is not deemed useful, you don't pay attention. So for example, my nephew had asked me a question about schools in England and I was passionately explaining to him how the system here is quite different despite Singapore being a former British colony and inheriting many aspect of the British system. I could see that my mother had stopped listening - she is retired, she doesn't need to work anymore: hence the information isn't deemed useful to her at all. Hence she may still be sitting at the same table but her eyes are wandering around the room as she just sat there quietly, neither participating in the conversation nor even listening. She then made a remark like, "oh that plant in the corner there looks really nice, I didn't think indoor plants could thrive so well. I should get one like that too." That said it all - she had decided that she didn't need the information I was sharing, had stopped listening minutes ago and had been looking at the pretty plants in the room instead. So you can talk to her all you want but she decides when she will listen and when she won't.
That does go a long way to explain my dad's attitude with English - he can't speak English, won't speak English, doesn't even bother to try, not even when he visits England. He's managed to make a decent, respectable living as a Chinese teacher in Singapore for so many years barely using any English and now he's retired. However, what about other things like learning how to use a new shower or learning about the laws of physics when it comes to snow and ice formation? The fact that he was born in British Malaya under the shackles of colonization and imperialism may explain some of his negative attitude towards the English and the English language - but what has he got against the laws of physics? Or what is it stopping him from learning about how snow is formed? Or even how to use my shower?

3. The primary school teacher egomaniac complex?

There is a possibility as well that my parents do suffer from a superiority complex which almost gives them an egomaniac streak. Let me put this in context: they have spent all of their lives working in primary schools in Singapore and let's face it, it's not hard to feel smarter than an 8 year old kid. The kids would ask questions that are relatively easy to answer - I have even witnessed my father do this with my nephew when he was younger - but admittedly my nephew is asking more and more complex questions as he gets older so I am not sure how long my dad could keep doing that. In any case, if you've spent a few decades being the "know-it-all" teacher, it is hard to admit that there are times, you simply don't know the answer to questions like, "how do you change the melting point of ice?" or "how is snow produced in the clouds?" Do all teachers have this mindset? Which brings me neatly on to my next point...
Do all teachers have this kind of mentality?

4. My parents are not on the internet. 

You see, when we don't know how to explain something, we simply google it. My French friend who is currently learning Mandarin asked me when it is necessary to use 是 in a sentence, why must we use it in a sentence like, "他是法国人" but not "他很累"? I struggled to find an answer because I simply know when it is necessary to use it and when it is not. So rather than try to work it out for myself, I simply looked it up on google and forwarded him this link. Et voila, problem solved. However, my parents do not use the internet (I refer you to point 2 above) - they didn't need it for work and have consigned it to the long list of things they don't need to learn. But what this means is that they would gladly rely on hearsay or something they have read a long time ago (but can't remember clearly - note that their memory isn't great these days) rather than just whipping out their phones and googling it.

Look, I don't claim to be this super intelligent guy who has an encyclopedia in my head. I simply look stuff up on the internet, this allows me to draw upon so much useful information from a variety of sources to understand the world around me. Take the whole issue about whether cold water makes a cough worse: we discussed it as my nephew started coughing whilst in London. Whilst my sister and I debated the issue based on science, my parents merely said, "Dr Quek said so and he is a doctor - how can he be wrong?" They had absolutely no understanding at all about the science behind the Asian commonly held myth - looking up the issue on the internet, reading what other doctors have said about it is completely beyond them. They believe in this old wife's tale simply because our former family GP (now retired) in Singapore believes in it. When you have so little information available, then everything becomes black and white and thus they have a very simplistic view on matters - that's how people behaved back in the 1980s and 1970s and they were a lot more ignorant then. Without the internet, my parents are stuck in that time warp and are oblivious to how they are coming across to those of us who do use Google on a daily basis to verify anything when in doubt.
Life without the internet is unimaginable for me.

5. They don't want to lose face.

Or maybe, my parents jolly well know that they are wrong or ignorant - they are just too proud to admit it. You see, if they adamantly refuse to admit that they are wrong and everyone around them is too nice to rub it in their faces, well you'll be amazed how much they get away with. Let me give you an example: I often cooked dinner for my family when they were staying so my parents who finished eating first decided to wash the dishes (despite my sister offering to do so). So when I asked a simple question, "did you wipe the dishes or do you want me to wipe them?" My dad claimed that he had wiped all the dishes and they are all dry. I picked up a stack of bowls and turned them upside down - water dripped from them. He had clearly not wiped them. I didn't say a word and proceed to wipe them - that was when my father claimed, "there's something wrong with your cloth." I rolled my eyes an said, "it's okay if you didn't wipe them, I'll do it." My dad then flew into a rage, saying something about British goods being of inferior quality - that even dishcloths do not absorb water. I think he just got upset that he forgot whether he had wiped those dishes or not. But why can't he just laugh it off and say, "oh yeah, I forgot, they're still wet." Heck, nobody asked him to do the dishes, I would have done them myself but because I was so busy serving everyone food, I hadn't finished eating my meal yet.

So you know what he did just to make a point? He bought me a set of dishcloths the next day, to replace the ones that he claimed didn't absorb water. I honestly can't tell the difference - they are made of exactly the same kind of cloth. But I didn't want to rub it in his face, so I thanked him for his gift. Like seriously, I never expected my dad to do any housework whilst he stayed with me, I was more than happy to take good care of him. But what just irks me so much is the way he felt compelled to lie about the wet dishes and then go as far as to buy me some dishcloths to make a point. I really don't get this whole Chinese thing about 'losing face' - who do they think they are trying to kid? Okay admittedly, there are times when I act dumb - let me give you an example. I was once at an audition when I overheard the casting director saying that I was not right for the part and that was even before I had done the audition. That remark was not meant for my ears but I heard it anyway - what did I do? I pretended I didn't hear it and went through with the audition feeling rotten, knowing that it was a waste of time. I didn't let my feelings show as I didn't want to 'lose face' in front of everyone there. But come on, what 'face' did he have to 'lose' over the dishes? The whole thing just felt ridiculous. It's bad enough when they don't listen - but to lie to me and change the laws of physics? Good grief.
Can I blame their behaviour on Chinese culture?

Sigh, I wish things were easier with my parents, honestly. I do want to get along with them. They have done sweet things for me on this trip - so for example, with their left over British currency that they didn't want to take back to Singapore, they decided to fill my fridge with groceries and bought all kinds of things. I returned home to find my fridge fully stocked, imagine my surprise. (Okay they bought some odd items I would never buy, but it's the thought that counts.) So, what do you think? Do any of these five explanations apply? Or am I missing something altogether here, could there be another reason as to why my parents behave the way they do? What alternative do I have, but to simply ignore them every time they act in such a stubborn way and effectively give in to them?  Do you have any suggestions for me please? Thank you for allowing me to get this off my chest. I look forward to hearing from you.

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  1. Hi LIFT, Thanks for sharing about your family's trip to London & inviting inputs from your readers.
    All your theories above hold water, only your parents would know which one applies to them the most. Outsiders cant say much since we havent met them in person.
    My impression is that your parents behaved very graciously & quite reasonably as visitors to your home. Heres what I mean:
    1. Youre very much a man's man, living in a man's world. You are caught up in facts & figures in your job.
    But something to learn (esp after Trump got elected): "Facts don't matter; only EMOTIONS do".
    Our reality has been transformed and it is no longer a man's world. Your parents don't care about facts they only want your nephew to continue thinking the world of them, to enjoy their limited time together. The success of their holiday revolved entirely around him & practically nothing else mattered.

    2. Youre in the prime of your life whereas your parents are nearing the end of theirs. In many ways they cannot catch up with how fast the world is changing & have been left behind. So they cling to the little bit of outdated knowledge they possess, even if it turns out to be a fallacy.
    Its hard for them to admit YOU are already way above them in what youve achieved, with no credit to them. If you try to bring it up, they will say you are disrespectful: "mei you da, mei you xiao" (no big no small, meaning: not knowing your place in the hierarchy of life).

    3. Their values are from last century, many normal things young people do now are completely unacceptable to them, but they are powerless to stop it.
    Examples: changing jobs unnecessarily /giving up a stable job to start a risky business, spending money on luxuries, having pre- or extra- marital sex, embracing other cultures apart from the one you were born into, putting yourself first instead of sacrificing for your family.
    To old people, all these show a lack of loyalty & no sense of honour.

    In short LIFT, youve tried your best on this trip and been a filial son, and they are okay parents who just expect too much; anything you see from one perspective, they see from another -so whats right to you is wrong to them & vice versa.
    Actually, its admirable you guys still communicate in a civil manner (keep it up dude)! My interactions with my parents are invariably laced (ie. poisoned) with resentment & bitterness on both sides.

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    1. Hi CLT. Wow. Thanks so much for your reply. You truly understand my situation and I really appreciate your insight. For the most part, I think both parties (ie. myself and my parents) were on our best behaviour. When I say things like, "I will cook dinner for you, what do you want to eat?" They would say, "don't worry, we'll go out for dinner so we'll spare you the hassle." I think there was a genuine desire to get along lah. It is just a shame we argued when I refused to give in to their stubbornness that one time. You are 100% spot on when you say "facts don't matter, only emotions do".

      I kinda felt frustrated though by the practicalities of taking them around in late November - you see, my mother complains she is cold every 5 minutes. We wrapped her up in like 5 layers of clothing, like if we put any more winter clothing on her it would be so heavy she wouldn't be able to stand up! Yet she still complained it is cold and I'm like, is she just doing it for attention? And my dad kept complaining that his legs hurt - you see, much to his excitement - I now have a ping pong table in my living room and he loves ping pong so much. He managed to get my nephew interested and he would force himself to play for ages with my nephew (gave him such a thrill to have that bonding experience with his grandson over ping pong). But after that, he was so exhausted he couldn't walk anymore and we were like, "please don't ask grandpa to play ping pong with you okay? his legs hurt." But my dad would insist he could play with my nephew. So in terms of sightseeing, they saw very little, missing some important sights in London. I felt it was a shame really.

      Yes you and I belong to the google generation - it's hard to believe how my parents never verify any facts, they rely on their (not so good) memories about what someone said about the issue once upon a time. Whereas if I can't remember something, I simply google it. Find the facts. I can't imagine living in ignorance the way they do. It's just a google search for crying out aloud!! I served them a rhubarb pie in London and they didn't know what rhubarb was - within seconds, I had opened up the Wikipedia page on rhubarb to explain to them what rhubarb was. Was my mum listening? Nope. It involved learning about a new vegetable. Oh never mind what the subject was - it involved learning. She stopped listening. Aaaaargh. Do they have no curiousity at all about what they were eating?

      You're also spot on about point 3. Good grief. I thank you for your empathy man.

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    2. Thanks LIFT what a relief, you dont usually take kindly to others telling you how to treat your parents.
      But really, your parents deserve your pity & understanding.
      Hope your relationship with them will reach a new level of mutual respect, give & take, agree-to-disagree even if you dont see eye to eye after they came all the way to England to see your new home.

      Do tell us more about what this "once in a lifetime" (so far, anyway) experience has meant to you.
      Do you think they might want to make it a yearly affair from now on? (My relatives who have children living abroad visit them regularly, sometimes staying a few months!)

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    3. Hi CLT. I think there is a difference lah - because some people rush to judgement, they read one line and they jump right in and pass judgement. Whereas you my friend, I know you do take the time to read my posts and come up with very thoughtful, insightful replies so of course I will listen to anything you say lah.

      I am not sure where this leaves me, but learning to understand my parents better is probably something I'm doing for my own sake, to try to cope better with the situation because they often confuse me and drive me nuts. Let me give you a simple example: I cooked a lot for my parents when they were here - I put a lot of effort into the meals and modesty aside, the food is pretty decent. My mother said at the first dinner, "wah you can be a chef, the food is so good." I take it as a compliment but I then went into an explanation about why I don't wanna work as a chef (low pay, long hours, hard work, no career progression as the people who make big bucks are the owners who run the business side of the restaurant not the chefs working hard in the kitchen etc) - did she listen to a word? Nope. Not relevant information to her as a retired woman who doesn't have to work at all. I tried explaining that just because you're good at something doesn't mean you should use it to make a living - sometimes you can just enjoy cooking for your family and do something else easier to make a living etc.

      Then at the next meal and every meal after that, what does she say? "Wah the good is so nice, you can be a chef."

      Facepalm. I guess I just learn to take it as a compliment and reply, "thank you, please enjoy your meal." And leave it at that - because she's simply incapable of the conversation I wanted to have with her. I didn't think it was that complex a topic for her to handle - ie. cooking & working as a chef - but she really doesn't get it and cannot handle even a conversation like that which, you and I could easily have my friend, but with my mother, nope. I realize I wouldn't have that conversation say with a 10 year old kid either as that kid would have no concept of working for a living - do I have to talk to my mother like I would talk to a child?

      My parents are free to visit any time they want but good grief, they are completely incapable of moving around London on their own. I'm not sure they will visit again soon - they hated the long flight, hated the weather, hated any food that was not Chinese food and like I said, they only came on this trip because my nephew was coming. Would they come without my nephew? Who knows. All I know is that my nephew enjoyed himself on this trip and he would certainly want to come back and my parents would wanna tag along if my nephew wants to come. Either way, it's out of my hands lah.

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  2. There is that narrow-mindedness in them that disables them to accept contrary explanations. A mental blockage of sorts. The world is a scary place for them, so it is better to cling to long-held ideas.
    Anyway, you survived. You had a good visit. You got to play a little with your sister and her family. Those are precious memories everyone will cherish forever. We cannot control nor explain other people's behaviors. We can only be true to ourselves and try to be gracious whilst doing so. I think you have accomplished both. Well done!

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    1. Thanks Di. My bro-in-law was extremely gracious in particular. I said to him, "for what it's worth, I'm sorry that you guys didn't get to see more of London because of my parents being so difficult." He said in reply that it didn't matter, the trip was about family time - for his son to spend quality time with his grandparents in London rather than racing around trying to see every tourist attraction in town.

      Di - when you coming to visit!! My spare room awaits you.

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    2. Thank you darling! One of these days, my son and I will do so.

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  3. As someone who has studied pathology for 1 whole year I can shed some light on the cold water and cough thing.

    Firstly it really depends on the cause of your cough. Sometimes your airways get inflamed and narrows. Either due to autoimmune causes like asthma or infections (bronchitis, pneumonia). When that happens anything cold could cause your airways to further constrict (same concept of cold compresses on swells) and lead to further breathing difficulties.

    But to a layman this might be too difficult to explain so Dr just default to don't take cold stuff when you have a cough. Of course even if you do it won't worsen the prognosis and any effects like slight breathing difficulties might be transient.

    If you ask me most healthy adults don't get ill enough that taking cold stuff during a cough would cause serious complications so eat and drink what you want. If really someone is ill enough that cold stuff could affect them they would probably be bedridden and unable to eat without assistance.

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    1. You see, this is the kind of informed discussion based on science and facts that I'd gladly have if one wanted to talk about the subject. But then again, you're young and well educated, quite the opposite of my parents who are totally incapable of looking stuff up on google.

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  4. It is the Dunning-Kruger effect applied to daily life. I have met ignorant people who do not recognize that they are ignorant and are adamant that they are right. Try having a discussion on different religions with extreme evangelicals and you would experience a similar experience compared to having a rational discussion with your parents.

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    1. Brexit and Trump have brought out the worst in people ... I have had some awful arguments with people in favour of Brexit and Trump in light of what you have described.

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  5. Warning: May be offensive, but I am still saying this because I am an open-minded and frank Singaporean boy. Sorry if you happen to get hurt or disturbed by my remarks.

    Most Chinese people are considered very immature and feminine as compared to people of other races and behave similarly to children. This is why the Singapore Government is able to control the population so easily and feed them with brainwashing information that the majority of Singapore's population(Chinese descent) will absorb without question. Look at the Singapore Government, it is like a parent, spoon-feeding and thinking for the people. Therefore, the Singaporeans are so used to someone else planning and leading them that they can't think for themselves. Your parents are byproducts of such a system.
    Also, your parents(being teachers) are so busy with their working lives and have almost no free time to develop their social interaction skills. This is adding fire to the fuel!
    You are an adult now, and you deserve to think for yourself and your parents have no right to control and judge you. It seems that your parents are extremely stubborn and stupid![sad, but true:(]
    And yes, your mother really is a psychopathic and manipulative person, and your father seems to be her guard dog(judging from the way how he defended your mom when you questioned and challenged her back when she shit-tested you as if you were a little boy)
    A very dangerous duo indeed!!!
    I suggest that you should never ever meet them again(let alone allowing them to visit London again!) as they are the toxic people who will create problems and tear your life apart.
    However, please don't hate them! You should still honor them in your heart as they are the very people who had made and raised you up into the fine adult you are today.

    5th commandment-"Honor your father and your mother."
    Hope my comment helps you! :)
    (Haha, this is the first time I comment on your blog;)

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    1. Dear Charcoal Swift,

      Well you don't have to explain Singapore/Chinese culture to me, I know it only too well and yes my parents are pretty much products of that system. Whereas I have left Singapore 19 years ago and have spent the last 19 years living in Europe, so on top of that generation gap, there's a huge cultural gap as well. Heck, there's also a language gap as I struggle to express myself eloquently in Mandarin - there are just so many factors involved here that has led to my parents and I being totally on different wavelengths. Whilst I hope that I am making a concerted, genuine effort to understand them, they have made zero effort to understand me.

      All I can say is that I totally barked up the wrong tree by trying to 'educated' and 'change' my mother with the best of intentions - when she acted in such a tactless manner towards my sister (and that's putting it mildly) - my parents believe that when it comes to their own children, they have the right to be unreasonable and even if they are in the wrong, they don't need to apologize. And if I ever tried to point that out, it becomes a "how dare you talk to your mother like that" moment. I wouldn't describe my mother as psychopathic - she has very poor social skills to the point where I am convinced she has some kind of autism. Likewise, she isn't manipulative - oh no, it takes social skills to be able to manipulate another person and she lacks those skills. She is incapable of being manipulative - you could probably come up with a different word to describe the way she treats my sister, but manipulative she is not. I can be manipulative, but it's not easy to be manipulative. The fact is we barely talk anyway - the only reason why they came was because my nephew wanted to come. I can't imagine them wanting to visit me if my nephew wasn't coming.

      But in any case, I always believe that even if I can't change anything - a better understanding of the situation will help me make sense of what is going on and help me deal with some of the confusion and frustration. That's why I am talking about it here. Thanks.

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    2. Thanks for replying! :)
      Well, your mother is clearly incapable of change as she has been behaving this way for a very long time.(yup, you made the wrong choice to try to change your mother's ways) And you know, old people are very stubborn and reluctant to change. They also tend to have the tendency to think that they are smarter and wiser due to their higher age and "numerous life experiences"(I seriously doubt that they experience much things in Singapore.)
      Chinese parents think that their children are only alive because of them, and they want their children to treat them kings and queens, like gods to be exact.
      They also think that since they did so much for you, they want you to give back too.(totally irrational and childish, people should do things because it is right, not for benefits)

      I am pretty sure that the way that your parents treat you and your siblings is the very same way their parents had treated them in the past. It is like a cycle, at one point of their lives, they were bossed around by someone with higher authority in the family, now, they have the upper hand as they are the heads of the family, and they want to boss people around too.
      Chinese parents, unlike western parents, do not understand the concept of letting their children go.
      Chinese parents certainly do not realize that by not setting their children free, their children will be unable to think and decide for themselves when they die. They don't think of their children's future when they are gone and do not try to cherish the short time that they have left on earth, instead of creating happy memories with their children and experiencing life to the fullest. You must understand that unlike you, your parents live a very boring and painful adulthood, not having the chance to see, feel and travel often. Trapped on that tiny island with propaganda media and no outside source of information(the internet)

      You, unlike your parents, are much smarter, and you also have a much more open-minded personality, being able to see things clearly. The same things that your parents see as cloudy and foreign and have a hard time understanding them. So, explaining things that may come naturally and easy for you to your parents is a bad decision because they aren't fit for it. Worst of all, your aging parents have even way lower levels of testosterone than their younger selves.
      Testosterone is the hormone that makes men think rationally, unlike women, who have much lower levels of it, think emotionally.
      Testosterone helps to repair muscle and keep your body fit.
      Old people have very low levels of testosterone, and they often feel physical and emotional pain, causing them to be unreasonable and very grumpy.

      By the way, using different languages can cause different parts of a person's brain to be activated and this affects one's thinking and personality! Your parents are obviously Chinese-dominant, while you are a linguist, who learnt so many different languages! This may be the main reason why you people don't get along!!!

      You and your parents use your brains differently!
      For example, a Chinese man thinks of water as '水' while an English man thinks of water as water. The two words that mean the same thing are so different, the pronunciation, the written word...
      According to my own reaction, I realize that I do feel differently in my head when I think of '水' and 'water' separately.

      Haha, hope that you do understand your parents better now. :D

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  6. Hi Charcoal Swift, you make very salient points, but I think some of your assertions are racist such as "Chinese are childish & feminine".
    Even your statement that "testosterone makes people rational, resulting in women being emotional as they have less" is fallacious.
    Chinese culture is indeed abhorrent, but it has nothing to do with the Chinese. They are simply unfortunate victims of history.
    Arguments that Asians are less well developed than their counterparts of other races: they have smaller size (shorter & slimmer), less chest hair, reach puberty later, age more slowly, temperament not as aggressive etc.
    However, most of these are debunked as results of diet/ upbringing.
    Nevertheless youre 100% right, unthinking obedient Singaporeans are conditioned by govts high-handed paternalistic approach (well said)!

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    1. Hi CLT, I hesitated to correct Charcoal Swift as by his own admission, he is a Singaporean boy and perhaps he's rather young (I don't know his age). But what I do know is that he is writing from the heart, he is frustrated and understands what we have gone through. What I do sometimes is rather than blame my parents per se (and what will that achieve?) I will blame Chinese culture instead - it has become the boogeyman for me to blame for everything that has gone wrong in my family and at least it takes some responsibility off my parents for their mistakes because I simply 'excuse them' on the basis that they are a product of their culture. Doing so allows me to still have a relationship with my parents and if it means me hating Chinese culture (instead of my parents) - well then, so be it. Being the total jiat-kentang white banana I am, I'm not ambassador for Chinese culture.

      But let me get something off my chest - whilst my parents were here, I actually pulled off a distribution deal using a new angle for our bonds as I managed to get a corporate bond dealer to invest in our bond (ie. I identified the new market that no one else in my company has thought of, found the right contact, persuaded him to buy into our products and stand to make quite a lot of money from the commission). I tried explaining that to my parents (in a mix of English, Mandarin and Hokkien). Blank stares, they didn't understand so probably didn't listen. I'm like, great, I pulled off something quite amazing and believe me, the only thing my mother complimented me on during this trip was my cooking. Because okay, it tastes good, she can understand that. Anything to do with finance, nothing. Likewise for my dad, the only thing he complimented me on during this trip was my table tennis skills - I have a ping pong table and he gets ping pong. It's so frustrating.

      I've told them that because my nephew likes computer games, why not send him to learn coding then he can start exploring the possibility of working in IT. They were like, "okay, he can go do computer courses, to learn how to use a computer". And I'm like no no no coding is so much more than that. I tried to explain what coding was but again, nothing entered their heads, they stopped listening. Then they said to my nephew, "uncle Alex suggested you go do computer courses, to learn how to use a computer, would you like that?" We both facepalmed. My nephew grew up with computers - he knows how to use it - he doesn't know anything about coding though. I spoke directly to my nephew and explained what coding was. You see, it's just little things like that which eats away at me - it's what one would call 'death by a thousand paper cuts', one paper cut won't kill you, but a thousand paper cuts everyday would eventually make you bleed to death.

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    2. Thanks for your remark, Mr Toh! :)
      I admit that I did that I make good and bad points in my earlier comments.(possibly this one too)
      However, it is definitely true that women think with their emotions while men are more rational thinkers. Men are natural leaders of the family while women are natural followers. The same reason why girls mostly do better in today's schools than boys because girls follow the teachers' instructions better.(what's worse is that when the boys are in puberty, the male sex drive is 9 times stronger than the female sex drive, and I seriously doubt that their hearts are 100% on their studies. Teenage boys don't belong in mixed gender schools, they should go to boys' only schools;)

      Anyway, this is also why arguing with a woman is futile as she just wants to win the argument, not because it is the right thing. Men want to prove themselves right, not concerned about winning the argument only.
      After thinking for a while, I do realize that you are right about the chinese part. Chinese americans seem to be more muscular and taller than their asian counterparts! You are right. Upbringing, diet and environment are the real deal and genetics are not to blame. After all, Bruce Lee was the world's strongest man and he is chinese.

      Chinese food seems to be "garbage", mostly basic food like rice, noodles and other starch products. Low protein with high sugar and sodium content. I think chinese food quality is more focused on the taste, not on on the nurtritional value.(unless you are talking about herbal soups)
      Meanwhile, american diet is heartier and americans got bigger sized food than asians.
      Chinese culture is passive and emotionless while american culture is more expressive and active.
      This explains why chinese asians are less developed than chinese americans.

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    3. Dear Mr Linpeh FT, after reading that your mother likes your cooking and your dad praises you for ping pong skills, I think that your parents do actually have love for you deep inside them, but it seems that they can't correctly express their love to you due to them being influenced in chinese culture and this causes them to bottle up their accumulated emotions(whether it is happiness, sadness, anger..) from over the years in their bodies.
      So when they experience emotion nowadays, they will also feel 'leftover' emotions.
      Old people have deteriorated hearing and it could be that your parents did not hear what you said to them.
      In order to deal with stubborn old people, you should never argue with them, it is futile, hopeless and stupid. They just can't listen, that's it! Trying to explain logic to a being that doesn't use logic is ridiculous. You know the chinese idiom "对牛弹琴".
      The only way to solve this problem is to minimize the possibility of you and your parents not getting along well as much as possible.
      Of course, don't hate your parents, treasure them in your heart! :)

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    4. If I may respond on the following points:

      1. I think your assumptions on gender roles do come across as rather sexist. I would treat each person as an individual rather than make such assumptions based on their gender/sex.

      2. Your Chinese American comparisons again are wrong as well. They are not any more muscular or taller - you get a range of tall to short people anywhere you go. The American diet is terrible. It contains way too much sugar and fat content - leading to obesity. America has a huge obesity problem today: I wrote about it after my recent trip to America. http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/florida-notes-part-3-obesity-and-america.html If you wanna blame carbs like rice and noodles - Americans consume a lot of potato products and wheat products from French fries to white bread - they eat just as much crap as the Chinese do, just different kinds of crap. Both Chinese and American diets are just as bad as each other - they both need to cut down on sugar, carbs and increase protein intake and especially fresh fruit & veg. Chinese herbal soups are the WORST culprits - everything is boiled to death and there's zero nutritional value left in the soup. It is so bizarre that you seem to spare Chinese herbal soups from your condemnation when it is just as bad as all the other crap that Chinese people consume.

      If you want to talk about why Chinese Americans are more outspoken than Chinese Asians, then it boils down to the education system. Chinese Americans are surrounded by other Americans and are nurtured in a school environment where they are encouraged to express themselves a lot more than their counterparts, say in Singapore or Beijing. It has nothing to do with the diet.

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    6. And Charcoal Swift, sigh. It is confirmation bias my friend, you're barking up the wrong tree with the compliment about the food and ping pong. Let me tell you 2 things I did this week.

      1. I was at Dalston Market and there's plenty of street food there - this man gave me a free sample and it was delicious. It was so good that I decided to get my lunch there and I told him that his cooking skills were awesome.

      2. I like the dynamics of playing doubles so I asked my friend who lives nearby if he wanted to do doubles - he said yes and brought a friend Laurence. I've never met Laurence before but damn he is an incredible ping pong player. I told him how great he was because, well, part of losing gracefully is paying your opponent a compliment!

      So that's two strangers (well, people I barely know) I paid compliments to this week over their cooking skills and ping pong skills. Do I love the man at Dalston market or this Laurence who's very good at ping pong? No I don't. Paying someone a compliment over something like that doesn't mean you love them. I'm sure you would have said equally nice things to a hawker who cooks really nice food or a table tennis player who really impressed you with his skills. It doesn't mean you love them.

      You're kinda hoping to say something nice to me because you've been quite negative in your last few comments, but it's okay - you don't have to feel the need to say anything nice about my situation.

      My parents are not deaf. They simply don't listen. If they were genuinely hard of hearing, then we would not be able to have even the most basic conversations. Some old people do lose their hearing - but the fact is my parents have perfectly good hearing at the moment. So it is wrong to chalk up their refusal to listen to a word I say to their hearing (which is fine) - maybe they hate me or whatever, that's far more plausible than blaming it on their hearing.

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    7. In fact, let me put it this way Charcoal: imagine if you were to visit me and we played table tennis (I'm pretty good at it) and I make the effort to cook you a lovely meal. You would probably come to the same conclusion that a) I'm good at table tennis and b) I'm a good cook. You might even be as kind as to pay me a compliment on both those matters - but do you "love" me just because you openly praised me for my table tennis and cooking skills? No. It'll be at best, a friendly, kind gesture to pay me a compliment.

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    8. Haha, now I know that isn't really love, your parents are just thanking you because you helped them. Any other kindhearted and grateful stranger would have done the same too!

      I do really need to work on my confirmation bias.

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  7. Hi again, Mr Limpeh FT
    Haha, saw the lack of experience and knowledge in my language? I admit I am rather a rookie in life, as compared to you who have lived for years, travelled to so many different countries and spoken to countless people.
    I am still a kid learning new things everyday afrer all ;)
    Yes, I am indeed sexist, haha

    BUT I do respect females, provided that they truly respect me. Same goes for anyone else too.

    Now, after thinking even deeper this time, I think that chinese food has too much carbohydrates in it, and low protein! Carbohydrates are important but too much can cause serious health problems. What's more, protein is a key material to grow and repair muscles. And this is probably why asian chinese are less developed than asian americans!
    Yes, the herbal soup nonsense I said earlier is *falepalms XD*

    Thanks for pointing out my mistakes! Because of you, I learned more today:)

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    1. Well, you need to keep your sexism in check because females make up 50% of the human population and you risk offending 50% of the people you meet - that's a very bad start in life.

      This over-consumption of carbs is not just a problem with Chinese food but American cuisine faces exactly the same thing. Think about it: a typical fast food meal would be a hamburger, french fries and a soft drink. How much of that is just carbs and sugar? How much of that consists of fruit/veg and meat? So what you're describing is a problem that affects the American diet as well and Chinese Americans who are very Americanized eat crap. So please do not imagine that the American diet is any superior to the Chinese diet - they are both awful.

      The only reason why Asian Americans are better developed is because many Chinese people still live in poverty in China and do not eat as well - Chinese Americans are richer generally and can afford to buy better quality food. But for crying out aloud - if you want to look for a better cuisine to hold up as 'healthy eating' you are totally wrong and so barking up the wrong tree by looking to America. I don't know how many times I have to say this (you're becoming as bad as my mother) AMERICANS EAT CRAP. Try an Italian, Turkish or Greek diet instead if you're looking for something healthier.

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    2. Americans' cuisine used to be more of steaks and hamburgers.
      Lol hahahahaha of course, I do know that American food nowadays is horrible and sugary! Look at all the obese children these days, as compared to the American kids in the old school photos. What's worse is that they actually advertised video games with food! Eg.Call of Duty with Dorritoes and Mountain Dew.
      Those kids stay at home playing on their Xbox and Ps4, eating those junk and don't go outdoors to exercise. Of course, they will grow into lardballs! ;)
      I also heard that their fastfood is much cheaper and more cost-wise than the ones in Singapore. And the portions are bigger! And this is probably also why they get fat too.
      I read your linked article from your earlier comment. Yup, fat people don't give birth to stickmen. They will instead procreate new big-sized human beings.

      Thanks for the warning about me being sexist. I should probably not reveal too much of that or else I will land in hot water eventually!

      By the way, Italian, Turkish and Greek(European) diets sound interesting! Perhaps I should try them one day;)

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    3. Let me give you an example of how awful American food is - I was in Florida this summer when I ordered an innocent sounding 'iced tea', it was so exceedingly sweet I couldn't drink it. Yet for Americans, that's how they expect their drinks to taste, the manufacturers only make their drinks so sweet because that's what the consumers like. And if the drinks out there are so sweet, then they get used to the sweetness. As for the cost, it depends. It is not 'cheap' per se, but you get what you pay for. Sure there are special offers and special deals, but in terms of the price, I don't think you're going to walk into a fast food restaurant and find it cheap (as a Singaporean).

      The Mediterranean diet is probably one of the healthiest in the world. They have a good climate, good ingredients and the food is incredible.

      And I'm not going to tell you not to be sexist - I don't know you well enough to tell you what to think, but I'd like you to be careful what you say to whom, imagine if you had to work in an office with some women - the onus is on you to get along with them and that means causing offence. So you need to know keep your opinions to yourself even if you won't change them.

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    4. Wow American food is worse than I imagined. A drink that is so sweet that a person with a normal European diet can't drink it!
      Americans are fools for pouring those diabetes-causing poisons down their throats! Diabetes is a serious medical condition and yet, those people don't fear it.

      Yes, fast food in Singapore is getting more and more expensive over the years! KFC is now less tasty and more expensive! Mcdonald's fillet o fish burger is now $2.50!

      Yeah, offending people in the workplace is a horrible idea and that will bring an endless cluster of unnecessary problems and dangers to me, and many working adults nowadays are quite unforgiving and stubborn.

      And about your parents, just forget them, it seems that they can't really be helped and are absolutely hopeless. I doubt that they will want to visit London a second time after this horrible nightmarish trip(for you and for them). Not everyone can be saved after all.

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    5. Well, you do know they only came because my nephew wanted to come to London right? They complained about the cold weather every day and I'm like, it's winter, yes it's cold, what did you expect? But we'll see - my nephew did like London and no doubt he'll wanna visit again, let's see if my parents wanna tag along again. As usual, it's not my decision but I'll never say to my parents, "no you can't visit". It was incredibly stressful for my poor sister though, it was hardly a holiday for her.

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    6. Sad, this is a difficult-to-avoid situation. Because of your nephew's mental disability, together with your parents' affection for him, these factors created this problem.

      Your nephew should visit London a 2nd time only after your parents...

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    7. Charcoal Swift --- you need to be more thoughtful of what you say. My son is 14 years old, and he knows better than to spew ludicrous comments like, "BUT I do respect females provided, that they truly respect me." Respect is mutual. If you ever want to have a decent girlfriend with half a brain, think before you speak/type. LOL! You had better polish your ability to write succinctly with relevant and logical arguments by the time you take your General Paper. I am speaking as a mom and educator. I do appreciate the tone of your writing --- youthful and unbashful.

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    8. Well, coping with my parents is something my nephew will have to treat as a learning experience. We can't expect everyone in life to be amenable and reasonable - my parents are a part of my nephew's life in a way they will never be a part of mine. I just accept the way things are - I work in finance, a field they will never understand, so because they don't understand it, they take zero interest in what I do for a living. Oh by that same token, they take zero interest in what my two other siblings do for a living as well because the jobs we do are simply way too complex for them to understand. But my nephew, well he's only just done his PSLE last year and at least that's simple enough for my parents to get their heads around.

      As for respect: dude, respect is a two way street but you should always earn the other person's respect first. Look, I'm offering you some respect because you had good intentions - you saw my cry for help on my blog and you came here, offering some insight and participating in the discussion where have here. I appreciate that and thus I am offering you respect in our discussions here because you had come with kind intentions. If you want a woman to respect you, you need to offer her something in the first place - the same way you had offered me kind intentions to help. Then she will reciprocate. That's how it works - respect is never offered unconditionally, it has to be earned.

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  8. Hi LIFT & Charcoal Swift, lets not devolve into a discussion of crap dieting, my staple food is keropok im a carbo guzzler and i cringe when you talk about eating junk. The main point: "why traditional old folks are so narrow minded" dont know how we digressed to talk about bad eating habits.

    Charcoal Swift, if you dont mind revealing, how old are you? From your choice of words, strident tone of voice, & rather unique punctuation, im guessing about 17, am i right?
    Actually im extremely impressed with how you engage in argument with this positive gung-ho mindset, & also the way you link and combine concepts (like how you string together culture/ upbringing, age/ generation gap, sex & gender, nutrition vs genes into a picture of how and why people behave in a certain way) and came up with some REALLY ORIGINAL but somewhat funny ridiculous theories & conclusions.
    I think your analytical, reasoning & critical thinking skills are excellent, if not for the fact that you started off with the wrong premises (esp when you said testosterone promotes rational thinking)!

    With the right training, in a discipline you enjoy, im sure you will go very far.
    Tell you the truth, i relish this type of discussion & thats why im a regular reader of LIFT's blog.

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    1. Well I think that some people want to find easy scapegoats to complicated problems. Like when I talked about my nephew being autistic, you'll be amazed at the number of idiots who suggest that all he needs to do is change his diet, take some vitamin supplements and everything will be cured. Listen in life, we are often presented with very difficult situations with no solutions at all (or no simple solutions at least) and some people are compelled by the desire to say something nice, so they present simplistic solutions like blaming it on the diet. That's exactly what Charcoal is doing - he has a genuine desire to be nice but he is barking up the wrong tree by blaming it on the diet. And I don't know how many times I have to say this, Americans eat crap - their obesity epidemic is so much worse than what China or Singapore faces. The American diet is possibly the WORST in the world. Yet he holds up the American diet as the solution? Good grief. Safe to say that this guy has never sat foot in America or knows much about diet/nutrition. I know the Chinese diet is bad but the American diet is just as bad.

      But I digress - it's a scapegoat. Diet has little to do with my traditional Asian old folks are so incredibly narrow minded. My guess is that Charcoal is also around the 17 year old mark, possibly 16.

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    2. Well, I am actually just 15 years old! That is actually quite old because 15 years is a heck lot of time and many historical and life-challenging events had occured during this long period of time.

      Haha, thanks Mr Toh for your praises! I admit that I may be good at analysing stuff but I can screw up real bad without a proper start just like you said. This is why people say, "Do things right the first time round!"

      By the way, I don't speak Singlish and English with a Singaporean accent. I used to do so, you know due to childhood peer pressure. I neither like Singlish nor the Singaporean accent for as long as I can remember.

      And Really? Mr Limpeh FT? There are idiots who actually claimed that your nephew's autism can be cured??? Lol, mental diseases can't be cured! Mental diseases can only be suppressed up to a certain point and a mental patient will still be a mental patient at the end of the day! Mental diseases are linked to genetics and it is the person's problem, not the diet.
      *Of course, the wrong food and environement can worsen the problem.

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    3. @Charcoal Swift Testosterone helps in alot of things, it helps muscle development, increases aggression, development of secondary male sexual characteristics, but one thing it does not do is promote logical thinking. This is more of a left brain, right brain thing. It is not true that females are more emotional, guys just hide it better. After all there are top NASA female scientists and they are as logical as they come.
      Let me introduce you to Katherine Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Johnson who calculated NASA launch trajectories by hand before computers were a thing.

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    4. Choaniki...
      You got it so wrong.
      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091208132241.htm
      Testosterone is clearly the hormone of fairness, this hormone can encourage fair behaviors if it serves to ensure one's own status.

      Male and female human brains cannot be compared too! The wiring in male and female are completely different!

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1274952/Men-ARE-brainy-women-says-scientist-Professor-Richard-Lynn.html

      Even one of the top dons in the UK says that men are more brainy and women! You can't argue against that, he is a top leading professional and can't definitely be biased!

      And your evidence of 1 female NASA scientist is so weak! What about the majority of male scientists? Do you purposely omit this crucial information to support your claim??? This is simply pure dishonesty!!! This is the WRONG way to win an argument!

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1vXdRUIZ_EM
      Look at this video! This is a video of a female astronaut losing a super important and incredibly expensive toolbag in space!
      *The estimated value of the equipment lost is US$100,000.

      NASA reports the crucial bag of tools as the BIGGEST THING EVER to be lost in space. Contrariwise, Heidemarie describes the event as a “little hiccup”.

      "Despite my little hiccup…I think we did a good job out there,”
      -Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper

      What about the many numerous men that went to space too? Do they also lose expensive and precious equipment in space? No! They don't.

      Now that toolbag out there is one of the deadliest and largest space hazards orbiting our planet. Someone in the future can DIE because of that thing.

      Then, why people vote for Trump over Hillary? Why Trump has many FEMALE supporters as well? The answer is obvious.

      *NOTE* that I am NOT against females, I do respect them if they do respect me back. Same goes for other people.

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    5. Oops! I realised that I mistyped the don as male! She is a female! Ha, that even pushes my point further!

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    6. Charcoal - you've ignored one fundamental fact in your argument. The fact is females have faced sexist discrimination for so many centuries - I grant you that in some societies, this kind of discrimination on the basis of gender is worse than others: ie. you're better off as a woman in Sweden than in the Middle East, but still it has never been a level playing field and even in places like America, women are still playing catch up. They have no achieved as much as males in so many fields because of the discrimination they face in the work place. I see that so much in my field where women do certain roles and men do others because that's what expected of them - women are still fighting a lot of traditional gender stereotypes by men like you who insist that they belong in the kitchen. The examples you have given simply illustrate the fact that women have still do much sexism to overcome and I want to be part of the solution, not the problem.

      I do think that when you have to work alongside women (say in 5-8 years time), you will realize that a lot of the views you're holding now are wrong. Nothing like a dose of real life to challenge these beliefs you currently hold.

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    7. Furthermore, I would like to caution you against using one isolated incident (Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper) to substantiate your case. OK one female astronaut made a mistake, it doesn't mean that ALL women on earth are less capable than men. It just means that Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper made a mistake and it reflects poorly on her, not all females on earth. How would you feel if I found an example of a Singaporean acting stupidly and then condemned all Singaporeans based on that one person's action? You would then turn around and say, hey what has that got to do with me?

      Be careful, you don't want to structure your arguments like that. It simply won't stand up to scrutiny.

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    8. @Charcoal Swift I don't think you are a social or behavioral scientist so you can't conclusively conclude on testosterone's role on behaviors just based on one article (i'd be very sceptical on peer reviewed articles especially for soft science fields like psychology or social science). This is the exact reason why you also can't link logical thinking to a sex hormone.

      This brain "wiring" that you speak of is simply an influence of hormones. In fact did you know that physiologically all babies are born female? It is the expression and also receptivity of sex hormones like estrogen and testosterone that ends up differentiating the sexes. Since i don't want to get into a very lengthy A&P lesson here i won't mention weird diseases like androgen insensitivity syndrome where a genetic male with XY chromosome end up with outwardly female features (google it if you are curious).

      Back to the point about testosterone and aggression. There are more recent journal articles that say there is a cultural element involved (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27816624) then there are articles that say that yes it might cause anti-social as well as pro-social behavior changes (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27671627). This article straight up admits there are limitations on testing since their animal tests might not be 100% applicable to human (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27914879). So experts can't conclude so you shouldn't be so quick to do so too.

      At the end of the day, real life is not like a class debate or GP essay paper. There is no clear black or white but many shades of gray. This is exactly the problem with modern political systems. There is no clearly right or wrong, every side has a trade-off. So learn to think in more nuanced ways, like perhaps all behaviors and thinking are both a factor of nature (genetics, hormones) as well as nurture (cultural, socialisation).

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    9. And just like LIFT mentioned in his post, you shouldn't be so quick to condemn 1 female for her mistake. $125 millions went up in smoke due to a simple math error when they used imperial units instead of metric: https://www.wired.com/2010/11/1110mars-climate-observer-report/
      I'm sure Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper error pales in comparison to this involving likely teams of _male_ engineers.

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    10. Choaniki - you're arguing with a 15 year old lah, sigh. As we say in S'pore, can pang chance a bit lah.

      The fact is we're all individuals at the end of the day. Each one of us should look at your our lives and say, "okay, this is whom I am, this is what I have achieved etc." Rather than assume any kind of superiority on the basis of our skin colour, gene pool, nationality or in this case, genitalia. So I'd be interested to find out what Charcoal has achieved in his life time, in the last 15 years, rather than wax lyrical about males vs females. After all, if he applied for a job at my company say in 10 years' time, I'm not going to care about his gender - I'm going to care about him as an individual.

      And that's all the matters at the end of the day.
      We're all unique individuals.

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    11. After all these discussions, I kinda got tired :D hahaha!

      Yup, I agree with your conclusion "And that's all the matters at the end of the day. We're all unique individuals."

      Not all humans belong on one same side. Everyone is unique.

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  9. Charcoal Swift are you sure ALL Singaporean teenage boys -should- be in all-boys schools? Are you studying in one currently? Do you know what it is like? You say teenage males would be able to focus but trust me even without females there will be a myriad of other issues. Homophobia, gay-bashing, sempai-kouhai sexual relationships (between senior and junior boys), female teacher-jock/captain/star athlete sex, male teacher molesting male students, etc. You are young and tend to view things simplistically and in binaries, i.e. Males superior to females, etc as others have pointed out. I just hope you can consider the implications of all-boys schools. Yes, they are elite but they are not simple. A principal of an all-boys school even had to resign due to a homoerotic scandal.

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    1. I am sadly in a public school :(
      It is extremely noisy because girls are very sociable and make a lot of noise(being honest here, not biased towards my personal view)
      And in public schools, it is very important not to offend the opposite gender. This causes unnecessary stress for males because they may unintentionally do something considered offensive to females. And the system works one-way, the females can get away with male-discrimation but it doesn't get the other way around.
      And boys are in puberty! Their sex drives are activated and the male sex drive is 9 times more powerful than the female sex drive. Most of the time, the only reason for a man to marry a woman is to have sex while the woman marries the man for benefits, not for sex. The marriage system between male and female works this way, woman gives man sex, man gives woman money, property, gifts... And nowadays, women no longer keep care of their kids because they are not housewives and have sent their kids to childcare during the day.
      Teenage boys studying in mix gender schools will get worse grades than those compared in boys-only school! This is a fact. Look at Hwa Chong Instituition(Singapore's leading school, boys only for secondary)'s results compared to a normal neighbourhood school.
      The boys in Hwa Chong will definitely perform better than the ones in public schools!!!

      Don't underestimate public school boys too! Some of them are pretty smart too! But I seriously doubt they can concentrate as well as all-boys school students.

      Alright, if you ever become a parent of a male child through biological means or adoption, I strongly suggest that you heed my advice and send him to an all-boy education system. It will be beneficial for him.
      Don't you discriminate gays too!
      Gays are to be loved too, although I don't support gay behiaviour, but WHO AM I LIKE YOU TO JUDGE SOMEONE ON THEIR SEXUAL PREFERENCE!!!!

      YOUR INSENSITIVE COMMENT COULD HAVE STABBED SOMEONE'S HEART AND CAUSE HIM TO BLEED INSIDE!!!

      YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DISCRIMINATE AND JUDGE GAYS OR ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING!!!!
      I LOVE GAYS TOO AND I AM NOT GAY!!!!!!!
      D:<

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    2. If this were my blog, I would tell you to stop your nonsensical blabbering. However, it isn't. It is not my place. Alex and everyone else has been very patient and very indulgent because you are young.
      Woman give man sex, and man give woman money and property?! Fail! Epic fail!
      Youth aside, surely your dumb and dumber comments are not an indication of your misguided youth but of your innate foolishness.
      I am betting you are Amos Yee, or at least you share his gene pool.
      Sorry, Alex, I have lost patience with this irritating kid. Accept my apologies.

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    3. Di, he talks like a 15 year old kid because he is a 15 year old kid. His attitudes on marriage are ridiculous - safe to say that with this kind of attitude towards women, he's gonna remain a virgin for a loooooooong time.

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    4. Charcoal - I don't have the time to take apart your argument, but you do sound like a 15 year old virgin who knows nothing about adult relationships. Nobody gets married to have sex - amongst consenting adults, we're free to have sex with consenting, willing partners the same way we meet friends to play tennis you know? I don't know where on earth you get such ideas from but it does seem like you're talking about one aspect of adult life that you clearly have no idea about because you've yet to get to that stage in your life.

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  10. Well frankly give charcoal a break
    he may simply be aping the views of his elders
    i have such things from my mum, aunt and siblings!!

    prejudice doesn't demand any sensibility ��

    but anyways the topic is on parents
    and i faced the same problem with them all my life since age 3. we have a 40year age gap.
    i notice this problem with some people from their generation - their ability to take perspectives is poor.

    When u r communicating with clients who are unpleasant i think u can still take their perspective and u can understand and get somewhere

    i only found out what "perspective taking" was in my 20s - become much more effective with people

    my siblings who are 10years older than me are also equally atrocious - although born in the 70s their behavior is frankly even more obnoxious

    they seem honestly perplexed as to why people (not just me but everyone - colleagues, each other etc) are angry with them

    so i think its just something we have to work with
    its like.. playing tennis.. some people just cant play and u kinda have to slow the game down.

    at least thats what i try to tell myself!!

    my conclusion is that for whatever reason a significant part of our population has not had the opportunity to develop social skills broadly perhaps due to educAtion or work etc etc - i can only speculate

    my general observation is that people with good social skills have either lived abroad or have parents who also have good social skills (they listen to me even if they expect certain deference - fair enough)

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    1. Thanks for your comment Lex. It's frustrating to speak to my parents because they are totally oblivious to the fact that most people speak to them like they are stupid children because they are old folks - yet they swan around assuming that they know more than everyone else because they are old. For crying out aloud, I get the impression that they chose to work in primary schools all their lives just so they don't need to handle anything more complex than the PSLE syllabus and after decades of that, that's pretty much all they know.

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    2. hahah! your statement
      "just don't need to handle anything more complex" just clicked with me
      Yup that's the same sort of attitude my parents display - don't bother me with anything thats difficult!
      And i know everything already - don't bother me with the facts! (and yes my dads a teacher too) 😂

      But Mr LIFT, i'm wondering whats your objective here. i mean i know you want to understand your parents and connect with them - but to what end...
      is there something specific you are hoping to achieve?
      A sense of closure?
      To help your parents improve their quality of life?
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    3. I ask because i believe when dealing with people who have Low standards, no clear goals, and lack of any personal accountability - that is always taking the easy way out...
      all the more we have to be clear about own objectives
      its like having an idiot boss. we have to show self leadership and do what we can without ever formally taking charge

      its a bitch, i know 😆

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    4. Hi Lex, allow me to answer your question.

      I do want to understand my parents better not so much because I want to improve the quality of their lives but more to help me come to terms with the way they treat me and my sisters. In our Asian culture, we're expected to offer this kind of unconditional respect and reverence to our parents - but what if they say and do some incredibly stupid things, then what? Our but in our culture, we're meant to just ignore that and celebrate the nice things that they do. Yeah, I'm afraid Chinese cultural norms and customs don't explain jackshit when it comes to difficult Chinese parents and as a child growing up - well, my impression was that my parents just really hated me. I thought it was because they were under pressure to have a son to carry on the family name so they kept having children until I came along but I turned out to be such a disappointment that they hated me so much. It's like... if I didn't get 100% for an exam, I would think, that's why my parents hate me so much. Oh gosh, I grew up with that impression for so many years and it started from when I was very, very young.

      But as an adult, I can look back and say, okay their parenting skills were utterly shit and they were terrible parents to say the least - but did they hate me? No it's not the same thing. They may have failed me as parents but they did it out of sheer incompetence, rather than hatred. Like I said, they were primary school teachers who couldn't handle anything more complex than what was on the PSLE syllabus so watching them come to London and get confused by little things that we all take for granted such as time zones, duh - they don't understand that London is in a different time zone and when I tried to explain how Singapore is 8 hours ahead of London my sister just made a face like, why are you even bothering? You know they don't get it: you're only going to confuse them and frustrated yourself by trying to teach them something like that. But I'm like, I understood how time zones work by the time I was like 7 years old - you're telling me my parents are more stupid than a 7 year old? Perhaps they are. Or not. I don't know. That's why I am trying to understand.

      But it took an awfully long time for me to get this far - to understand the huge difference between incompetence and hatred. My parents don't hate me, I don't think they know how to express their love for me either because it comes out so wrong every step of the way and even if they did ever loved me once upon a time, well I'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt as quite honestly, I didn't see any evidence of it and if there was, I'm sorry I must have missed it.

      My sister's no help at all - in fact she muddies the water and confuses me even more. Her logic is ... warped to say the least. My parents were totally awful, just fucking awful to her as she was growing up and her justification that my parents loved me was because they didn't do all those awful things to me that they did to her - and I'm like, great - so they were awful parents for me but utterly fucking awful parents towards you. That's not the kind of competition I wanna win - still don't make them good parents though, even though you can see, from her POV, why she thinks I had it good. I've got nothing against my sister, I just feel that sometimes it's more useful to talk to strangers because as the saying goes: 当局者迷,旁观者清

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    5. I get a feeling i have had those same discussions with some of friends - u see they also have many of these same conflicts and it bothers them deeply. But because it bothers them deeply
      they prefer to dismiss the topic.
      Plus they are still caught up in what i now call the

      "Cult of the Family" (a slightly Radical idea
      so do bear with me)
      Excuse the Guru (ie the father) for all his misdeeds but feel free to Tekan someone lower of lower rank
      If someone of lower rank offers knowledge - dismiss it and deny him/her any credit.
      Only the Guru gets Lions share of credit.

      i feel the expectation is that we should marry early and leave the home thus we get to set up our own Cult - so in some twisted way that's
      "fair"

      So what feels like betrayal in a modern context, a modern industrial economy.. is just businss as usual in a preindustrial kampung society
      Was such a culture ever constructive? i seriously doubt it - but in absense of wordly experience,
      its the sort of culture that evolved in South China and South East Asia

      Heirachy and birth order and the stars determines your fate in life not merit
      Independent thought? Liberty? Social Mobility?

      Forget about all that. This is our lot in life.

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    6. And damn right about taking that
      fresh POV - its like going to the balcony to ask "whats really going on" instead of staying in the house and continuing to yell at each other

      Which is why im here reading your blog
      Besides that i dun wanna feel alone with my problems

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    7. Exactly. I am very lucky to be able to reach wonderful readers like you - you guys offer empathy, understanding and insight and help me make sense of the situation. As wonderful as my dear sister is (and I do love her so much), she can't offer a fresh perspective because she is so involved. That's why it is easier to talk to someone like you than someone like her. I thank you for your support Lex and let's help support each other. Thank you.

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    8. Actually from an Asian perspective i'm ok being distant from my parents. I accept that unlike Western we are not going to have a mature adult relationship once we growup.

      Based on my personal experience this bad relationship is more pervasive in SG than is actually portrayed. One classmate of mine is stay outside on his own but is not married yet. Then another classmate didn't attend her mother's funeral when she passed away recently. I have a very antagonistic relationship with my dad so I don't judge them.

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    9. Well a Counselor mentioned in conversation that Lee Hsien Loong himself made a comment that "80% of singaporeans have serious conflict in the family" and hence Lee has pushed for more funding for social workers counselors and mental health professionals in the last few years

      Are we in denial about the true scale of so called social problems? In any case though, our lifes are our own responsibility in the end
      im skeptical as to how much impact social workers will make if people in crisis continue to deny said crisis

      i think the best way forward is honest reflection in conversation with others who also seek understanding

      @Chaoniki - i think i have found that same acceptance that i won't have the desired friendship with my parents

      In fact i feel resentment only for siblings; they insist on playing a cynical Abung-Adat Big Bro "small little nobody insignificant bro" relationship

      I still part believe in sort of fantasy that we could have been like a real 'band of brothers' pooling our talents and advancing through life together

      But they took the cue from my parents after all and a privileged position on the basis of birth order is what they expect.
      Amongst the privileges demanded is the privilege of being unquestionable -
      to question their opinions aka "how do you know what u know?" is dissent.
      The privilege to insult me in front of others (to demomstrate their superior rank). I said "NO." to such atrocious behavior and i have not spoken to one sibling in 4years and another in 2 years. And honestly? i feel free and light

      This sort of entitled attitude is hardly unusual - even in the West i.e.
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    10. I think that in my case, there was a lot of unresolved conflict from my childhood and my reaction was simply moving to Europe to get away from my parents and if that makes me that bad guy, so be it. You know what my dad said? He said things like "when you moved away, your mother missed you so much she couldn't sleep or eat." And I'm like, really? That's odd because when I lived in Singapore, during my JC days and army days, she barely ever spoke to me. She had no idea whom my friends were, she took zero interest in what the hell I was doing - I used to think that it was so cool that I could hang out till 3 am at Zouk in the morning whilst my friends couldn't because my parents let me do what I wanted. But the fact is, my parents couldn't be asked to take any interest in what I did with my life even when I was a teenager in Singapore. I know what I am about to say sounds really awful but I am going to say it anyway - the mundane vapid tasks that they did as primary school teachers seemed incredibly boring to me, yet they grew increasingly obsessed with their routines at work and I'm like, that's so lame when I grow up I am going to get a job that gets me as far away from Ang Mo Kio as possible, travel the world, meet interesting people, tackle challenging projects. I studied hard to get out of Singapore, not to be stuck in Singapore.

      After 19 years, well, we're practically strangers. They did not once ask me what I am doing with my work when they visited me in London - they couldn't take any less interest. At least my sister, my bro-in-law and my nephew take interest in me and ask about me and my life. Look my parents have lost interest in me a long time ago and I guess that's mostly because I had long decided they were pathetically piss poor role models and had done everything to defy them from a young age. I get it. I can't expect them to cherish me as the golden boy when I had treated them like that for so many years. I have to live with the consequences of what has happened.

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    11. i had great temptations to rebel when young and now i actually regret not giving into those temptations more!! mostly i blamed myself for the apalling behavior of my 'elders' instead of rebeling
      Big mistake. i finally realised that If someone can't take responsibility for their own behavior then they certainly aren't fit for any sort of leadership position...

      you mention role models: i doubt the concept of 'role model' is familiar to them 😂 at all
      in any case though i think u have done ur part:
      you have asked the question of
      "how can i have a better relationship with my mother?"

      now the ball is in her court and sounds like it had for 40years now?

      shes got to uphold her end of this social contract - this family thing. Its her responsibility

      And whatever hardships your parents faced to have shaped them thus: its up to them to shape their lives for the better. After all as school teachers they have plump pensions. They have money. They have literacy. They have no excuses
      Thats my 2cents

      im happy to excuse the rude behavior of old cleaners and desitute old
      folks - hey their life is truly tough. I get it.
      im happy to excuse old folks afflicted with dementia and schizophrenia - its no joke.

      by comparison, whats so tough about our parents lives now? Old bad habits die hard, but we can at least make small improvements move forward.. a little at least


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    12. Hi Lex. I think there's a better option than rebelling - it's a waste of time that just zaps your energy and you get little in reward. I find myself being far more productive in the UK far away from my family where I get to focus on the things that make me happy and successful. Back in Singapore, I used to spend so much time and energy rebelling and I found myself slipping back into that mode just to provoke my parents. But I would never do it openly, I would do it subtly in a passive-aggressive way just to irk them but ultimately, I'm wasting my time because you can't provoke someone who doesn't care enough to respond to your provocations. I've not spoken to them since they left and it's just easier to get through my days and focus on my work without them around. Good grief, imagine if I had to deal with them on a daily basis, like if I lived in Singapore.

      But at the end of the day, it's meaningless for me to make any kind of effort with so little coming forth from their part. They can't even be asked to make a simple effort to ask me what I do for a living - I wonder if I should suggest that I'm a drug dealer or a pimp or something provocative just to see if they are even paying any attention like excuse me, I've got to get back to my meth lab. They probably won't even notice.

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    13. U r right, actually breaking bad - pun intended
      (i walked out from home once; came back 1 mth later) is quite useless

      its going after what i want which is productive
      i want love and respect so i can feel happy and free - just figured this out Yesterday ��
      Clicked in my head

      It need. not be with the family that fed & clothed me.
      it can be with positive community and with the family i create - and thats down to my own effort over the long haul.

      With that said im actually quite confident in having some sort of friendship with my dad over time
      Hes coming to end of life... and since im the only son who doesnt despise him ��
      Theres bit more incentive for him to communicate! In any case his affection for people was. never in doubt - he shows emotion even if he doesn't speak well

      My mums coldness & contempt for people... well thats her. Ultimately shes paying the price - friendless & isolated.

      Apparenty its quite common phenomenon nowadays -
      this kind of nasty old man/old woman who can't make friends because they are just obnoxious

      Lots of old folks in old folks homes as well as in government subsidised rental flats... abandoned and alienated

      Whats interesting is that my siblings have really
      "downloaded the mums operating system"
      and given the fact they are Your age.,.
      (theres a vast age gap between me
      and them) its quite mind boggling

      Just refusing to reply to what people say, treating other people (not just me) as invisible..
      As much as i would love to see them as cosmopolitan enterprising positive MODERN people...

      They are very much
      Socially Dysfunctional in the mould of these
      uncomminicative unempathetic old folks

      I persuaded one sibling to become a teacher..
      A few days into the job, claimed that all his collegues are more stupid than him.. and his students unworthy of his talent
      Stays alone; either ignores what others say or disagrees with them

      Whats shocking is that most of the mums side of family displays such behavior

      Made me realise that damn! This asshole behavior is learned and deeply ingrained.

      Trying to communicate in good faith with such people is like trying explain your beliefs to a hostile regligious fanatic (& i have tried that with 3 faiths - not fun ��)

      My dream of that loyal intimate family... thats a dream i can build... but i cannot expect the
      "Food & Shelter" family to share that dream

      I have tried many times to connect with the siblings and it goes like this

      "Hey I just went dragonboating"
      Dead Silence.

      "Hey check out his (cool) video"
      "SO WHAT?"

      It's bananas.
      To cut to the chase: Do you think its possible that
      your parents or just any difficult person is actually
      'socially illiterate' or 'emotionally illiterate'?
      Or simply has communication 'bad habits'?

      They don't actually know how to ask questions or respond to the statements of others or... automatically, instinctively respond in an irrational way ?

      so even thought they can read books and write up documments, enabling them to work in a modern world, their relationships are either superficial or hostile.

      Such people deep down inside may crave to "play a good game of tennis" but since they are unable to even pick up the racket..
      The rest of the world is left waiting in vain on the otherside of the net so to speak

      Perhaps difficult people have good intentions and are brilliant in many skills but Zeroes in communication.






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    14. Oh Lex, it sounds like you and I have got so much in common in this department. At least I am v fortunate that my siblings are very nice people. But you do raise an excellent point - it's not just my parents per se, but this general trend for old people to be obnoxious, difficult and grouchy. It's a stereotype but as they say, there's no waves without wind, or smoke without fire. Well, weren't these elderly folks once upon a time young and not obnoxious? And why is it some elderly folks turn obnoxious but others not?

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    15. Good qn! I think a whole army of expert psychologists have attempted to answer that question!
      My degree was in psychology; so i have studied a million theories.. often conflicting!
      However,
      I did come across a phrase "integrity vs despair" (u can google this) that sort of clicked with me

      I concluded that those who turn unpleasant often
      feel despair, that they have failed at something personally significant, and they are out of time to make a second attempt.

      Dunno if it applies to your parents though. They sound difficult without actually being despairing









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    16. Wow you've hit the nail on the head. I must do a follow up post on this topic. Many thanks Lex.

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    17. The follow up as promised Lex: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/integrity-vs-despair-how-do-you-want-to.html Many thanks my friend.

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  11. Hello Limpeh, if I may respond regarding Charcoal's views on marriage. Yes he is making a broad generalization but there is some truth in his remarks, crude as they are.
    There has been a trend in Singapore, Taiwan and Japan where lower-educated, blue-collar men marry mail-order brides from developing countries such as Thailand, Vietnam and China. In many cases, these are marriages of conveniences where the women involved are after material gain (money, luxury goods, better chance of getting a job in the developed world). In Singapore's case, the women want to get the LTVP or LTVP+ (long term visit pass) from ICA (immigration authorities) and hopefully upgrade to PR and citizenship status. Such marriages are exactly as Charcoal has described. Women get benefits and men get sex/companionship. Certainly most marriages are not of such nature and are based on love rather than a transaction.
    Also in Japan, many women are full-time housewives and depend on the man for financial upkeep. But it is inaccurate to say they married for money from the man because many of such women are well-educated and gave up good jobs to get married and take care of the house and children full-time.
    Short version: Charcoal is not entirely wrong as some marriages are transactional and out of convenience but he stated it like all marriages were like that. Generally, men can get sex outside marriage and women can also earn good money without getting married for money.

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    1. Hi Ken,

      "Generally, men can get sex outside marriage and women can also earn good money without getting married for money." That is soooo true. I would have thought that this was obvious but not to Charcoal it wasn't.

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