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| Shall we talk about our NS experiences? |
1. "It is all about discipline."
"In my unit, I dealt with some guys who were troublemakers when they enlisted in NS. Some had minor run-ins with the law prior to enlistment and they had no respect for any kind of authority. Making them do NS gave them a sense of discipline and redefined their relationship with authority: they were taught that Singapore wasn't a consequence free environment, that they had to earn their place in society. NS was a bitter pill for them to swallow. The strict regime they had to adhere to taught them the discipline they never had at home or at school - if it had not been for NS, they would have spiraled out of control and became thugs and criminals, outlaws on the periphery of society. NS gave them the discipline and skills to successfully reintegrate them into society and they emerged from NS much better for the experience. Thus NS has reduced the crime rate in Singapore and there is a direct correlation between NS and Singapore's low crime rate. Even for those who are given to criminal tendencies, the discipline they learn in NS is going to be a useful lesson for them to take away for the working world that awaits them. It is good for the men, it is good for Singaporean society - it is a win-win situation."
I partially agree with this statement for I had encountered such people during my time in NS - strict punishments are there for those who have the audacity to deliberately break the rules (or even try to push the boundaries), but the ultimate litmus test is what these men would do the moment they complete NS and reintegrate into civilian society. Would they become productive members of society or would they simply go back to their old ways and give in to criminality? If NS was really that effective in fundamentally changing the mindset of these young men, then as the theory goes, anyone who served NS would be highly unlikely to break the law ever again in Singapore. But if you were to look at the prison population of Singapore, whilst it is undeniably low (reflecting the low levels of crime in Singapore), the vast majority of the inmates are still male Singaporeans who have served NS - they still make up just over 77% of the current prison population (with the rest being females, juveniles and foreigners). Thus that shows that serving NS is not such an effective deterrent to criminal behaviour: female Singaporeans do not need to serve NS, yet males vastly outnumbers females by a ratio of 8.77 Singaporean males to every 1 Singaporean female in our prisons.
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| Did you learn discipline in NS? |
This does suggest a rather stereotypical view of what a Singaporean criminal is - is he a poorly educated 'Chao Ah Beng' who speaks Hokkien, drinks, gambles, beats up his wife and gives in to petty crime because he has no respect for the rule of law? Or can he be a sophisticated, eloquent, highly educated professional who speaks English flawlessly, lives in an expensive condominium and appears respectable to the wider society with his happy family, yet commits crimes which are anything but petty? Yes I am indeed talking about criminals like Kong Hee. NS does provide a kind of environment where you have to get up at a certain time, follow a set of instructions and orders and do as you are told - but the fact is the soldiers do this because of a 'fear of consequences' rather than a belief that what they are doing is fundamentally right and important. Allow me to give you an example to illustrate the difference.
My friend (let's call him NK) was part of a unit where they had to do area cleaning early every morning before they had breakfast. It was only after they had passed the inspection that they were allowed to go have breakfast - their commanding officer was very particular about area cleaning and had very high standards. Those who didn't do it properly or didn't pull their weight were dealt with and punished. So it was not a matter of choice, the only way NK could have avoided this morning area cleaning routine was if he was unwell. After NK ORDed and left the army, he told me he enjoyed waking up when he opened his eyes, not when the dreaded alarm clock woke him up. He had no desire to do any cleaning before breakfast the way he had to when serving NS. The "fear of consequences" made him behave a certain way during NS but the moment you removed those consequences in the civilian world, guess what? NK slipped back to his old ways. NK's room at home was always in a mess because his parents never enforced the same kind of consequences as his commanding officer did in NS. Thus NK's character didn't change at all, even if he did follow the rules during NS. The 'fear of consequences' only affected his behaviour during NS, but not beyond.
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| NK's room at home looked a bit like this... |
The only way for this military discipline to rein in all the criminal male elements in society is to make NS a lot longer and integrate it into all aspects of civilian life - pretty much like what they do in North Korea, where the government micromanages every aspect of life there to ensure total loyalty to Kim Jong Un's regime. That is a pretty high price for everyone in society to pay for a marginal benefit that will only affect a small portion of the population and it is not as if North Korea is totally free of crime and corruption either. There is only so much you can do to try to eradicate crime through military discipline and we just have to face the fact that whilst installing military discipline may go some way to reduce the incidence of criminal behavior, it should not be treated as some kind of miracle cure that will solve all social ills. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it has done some good, but let's not imagine that it is solely responsible for Singapore's low crime rate. Rather, the rather harsh punishments for even seemingly minor crimes are responsible for the low crime rate, creating the same 'fear of consequences' effect.
What about the UK then?
Well, the crime rate in the UK is higher than in Singapore - but that has far more to do with the more liberal regime and more lenient laws than to do with the absence of NS. It is not like British men are totally devoid of discipline: those who seek it will find it through sports, their careers, religion or any other sources. Once a man finds something he is passionate about, the discipline will kick in naturally: so if he starts a business based on his passion and he finds great joy in working, making his dreams come true as he nurtures his business, then waking up everyday at the crack of dawn is not a matter of discipline per se but motivation. Give a man a good enough reason to work hard and he will - and all that has got to be based on motivation rather than discipline for the sake of discipline. Such is true discipline, deterring would-be criminals.
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| Singapore's laws are a lot stricter than the UK's. |
2. "Fostering a sense of unity"
"I have fond memories from my NS days, we were guys from different social backgrounds: you had the A-level guys as well as the Hokkien pengs, you had Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Hindus and guys with no religion, you had rich guys whose parents drove big cars and those who were struggling to make ends meet, you had gay guys and straight guys and confused guys. We spoke English, Singlish, Hokkien, Mandarin, Cantonese, Malay and Tamil. We lived together, worked together and learnt a lot from each other. The shared experience gave us so many happy memories, it taught me so much about Singaporean society in a way that I never did back in my JC days - I had a rather sheltered upbringing and really only mixed with people from a similar social background. Hence I must say that NS really fostered a sense of unity amongst all of us, it united us men as Singaporeans with a shared experience. It truly brought us all together and I truly believe that NS does contribute a lot to social cohesion and harmony in Singapore."
I think there is an element of seeing the past through rose-tinted lenses. I had a similar yet different experience: yes I had to work alongside men from all different sections of Singaporean society during NS. Whilst it was definitely a precious learning experience, I didn't get along with everyone, must less form great friendships. No, rather, I simply got along best with those whose social-economic background was most similar to mine and I learnt how to be diplomatic and professional with those I had nothing in common with. Don't get me wrong, this is an extremely important lesson for one to take into the working world, where you also have to work alongside people you have nothing in common with, or even intensely dislike and can't stand the sight of! So whilst I look back upon my NS days and recognize that this was an important lesson I learnt then as I have since gone on to work with loads of people I didn't like at all. But no, I really don't believe it did anything to foster a genuine sense of unity amongst the men at all.
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| Does NS foster a sense of unity amongst the men? |
The true litmus test is whether or not these men of different social backgrounds continued to interact with each other socially long after they have left NS, or did they simply retreat to the comfort of their own communities instead? Whilst some do maintain these friendships they have forged during NS, many do simply retreat to their comfort zone and only mingle with those from their own communities once safely back in the civilian world. There's nothing mysterious going on here - it is simply easier for us to enjoy the company of those with whom we have more in common with. I did what many would have done in my situation: I was stuck in NS, I didn't have a choice whom I had to work with so I simply made the best of a bad situation by being diplomatic with people I disliked - now that is quite different as someone who is enjoying that particular situation. NS taught me how to make the best of a bad situation - it certainly did nothing to foster a sense of unity with my fellow Singaporeans. Quite the opposite in fact, it confirmed to me that leaving Singapore to seek greener pastures abroad was the right thing to do.
What about the UK then?
Well here in the UK, national service was phased out in 1963, so only those over the age of 70 would have had the experience of having served. In the absence of anything equivalent, British society tends to be rather fragmented according to social class. Thus British people would mix with people of a similar social-economic background and would rarely even know anyone from a different social class. But then again, is this really any different from the situation in the civilian world in Singapore? No, it isn't. When people have the choice to decide whom they live with, whom they work with, whom they socialize with, whom they marry - most people tend to gravitate towards those who are very similar to themselves. Hence by that token, British society is no different from Singaporean civilian society.
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| British society really isn't that different from Singapore. |
3. "Work experience for young men"
"When I look at these young Singaporeans who have just graduated from university, they have very little practical work experience. Okay, maybe they have had a short internship, but that's hardly the same as having held down a real job. But with these Singaporean men who have served NS, I can at least use that as some kind of proof that they have had some kind of practical working experience. Without NS, they have only proven that they can study hard and pass exams - my company does not hire people to study for exams! We hire people to do real work, in the real world, for real clients who pay us good money for our goods and services. Okay, maybe your NS vocation has nothing to do with your future job - but at the very least, that's two years of work experience on your CV. It is worth more than you think, so don't take it for granted."
Now there is actually some truth to it, though it does vary: some Singaporean gatekeepers do attach quite a lot of importance to your NS experience, but don't take this for granted. I know of this male Singaporean gatekeeper who was an officer during his NS days, so he took great interest in this aspect of the applicant's CV. Then I also know of this female Singaporean gatekeeper who obviously didn't serve NS and she knew nothing about NS, so she skimmed through that part and focused on other parts of the applicant's CV. I have even heard a gatekeeper say, "well that's conscription, it doesn't really count does it? You don't get any say in what you do, you just turn your mind off and follow instructions and okay, you survived two years of being able to take instructions. It doesn't demonstrate any creativity, taking initiative or problem solving skills at all. So if I see you've served NS, then I simply shrug my shoulders and say, so what? That doesn't impress me much." What about Singaporean women then? They don't have to serve NS, yet they still somehow manage to make that transition from student life to working life - so I fail to see how NS provides such vital work experience for the men. Sure it is work experience, but how much value can you really attach to it?
What about in the UK then?
In the UK, many students tend to work - far more so than in Singapore. This means that by the time your average British student graduates, they already has several years of part-time work experience under their belt. Of course, not all British students work part time - some do it throughout the academic year, some do it only during the holiday period and some don't do it at all. However, there is quite a different attitude towards students working in the UK compared to Singapore. In the UK, it is seen as a means to gain vital work experience whilst in Singapore, students are expected to use their holiday periods and any spare time to do extra studying, just to get an edge over their classmates. Thus in the UK, many fresh graduates actually do have a lot more work experience on their CVs compared to their Singaporean counterparts - they are not any worse off, in fact, it can be argued that they are a lot better off as Singaporean men have to take two years out for NS whilst British students incorporate this into their student life and enter the workforce two to three years before Singaporean males do.
4. "From Ah Boys To Men."
"It is a rite of passage that defines all Singaporean men - when you enlist, you are a boy, a teenager fresh from school and when you ORD, you are no longer a boy but a man. It is such an important process which turns boys into men, you learn so much about being an adult in NS as that is probably the first time you are being treated as an adult in Singapore. The teachers in school see you as a kid, your parents see you as a kid, you are treated like a kid all your life till that point when you enlist in NS, you are given a gun and treated like an adult, expected to function as one and made to feel like one. Many guys actually find this experience quite liberating, as that is the kind of adulthood experience they had been waiting for all their lives till then. I shudder to think what Singaporean men would be like if they didn't have this experience of NS, they would be these overgrown boys who may be tall and look like men but still have the mindset of boys, living at home with their parents! NS is so vital for Singaporean society, it nurtures the males, from Ah boys to men. Can you imagine in other countries, where men are not made to grow up like that?"
Whilst what it is true that NS represents the first time the vast majority of Singaporean men are living away from home, but the moment they ORD, the vast majority of Singaporeans men simply go back to living with their parents. So any kind of maturity acquired through the NS regime is undone within months, even weeks, the moment Singaporean men revert back to the previous arrangement and mindset subsequently. In fact, I have written about this issue at length in a previous piece. In NS, you are infantalized: you are treated like a young child. You are told what time to wake up, what to wear, breakfast is cooked for you and all day long, you are given instructions (well, orders) about what to do, where to go, what time you go to sleep, what time the lights are turned off and you simply turn your brain off and just follow all the instructions. How is that different from the way three-year old children go through their daily routines?
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| Adults think for themselves, children just do as they are told. |
What about in the UK then?
Well, like Malaysia, the UK is a big country and as a result of the geography of the country, most adults are compelled by circumstances to move away from home the moment they turn 18 - be it to find work or to get further education. The difference is that the moment you are 700 km away from your parents, you're saddled with a lot of responsibilities as an adult. Nobody is going to wake you up in the morning, nobody is going to make you breakfast and if you have not done your own laundry, then you won't have any clean clothes to wear. Nobody is going to tell you what to do and if things go wrong, say you fall very ill, then tough shit, you're on your own. Now that's what being an adult is all about and let's contrast that last example to our men doing NS - when you fall ill, you go to the medical center and "report sick", whereupon the medical officer will examine you and if you are very ill, you will be warded in the medical center where you will be taken care of by medics and nurses. That is a luxury that British adults living on their own won't enjoy - if you are not sick enough to be warded in hospital, then nobody is going to take care of you when you are lying in bed running a fever. That is the grim reality of being an adult and taking care of yourself - that's something many Singaporeans never really experience until they move out of their parents' home.
So in conclusion, whilst I do feel that Singaporeans tend to exaggerated the benefits of NS to both the men and society in general. Singaporean males don't get a choice in the matter - they simply have to serve NS whether they like it or not, so many do take in their stride and try to make the best of a bad situation. What do you think? Have you reaped the benefits of NS personally? Or if you are a Singaporean woman, do you think that your society is much better because your men have serve NS? Do let me know your thoughts, leave a comment below. Many thanks for reading.









Probably the only benefit I got from NS was the opportunity to network with people with different experiences in life, which eventually introduced me to the world of development in IT.
ReplyDeleteOther than that, it was meh...
But still, it was a good break from the "study hard to succeed in life" mentality that I was surrounded with when I got enlisted 3 days after my last paper exam for 'A' levels back then.
Aaaargh poor you. 3 days. I had 2 months from like Nov to Jan. I must say though, networking at that stage of my life wasn't useful because:
Delete1. I had no clear idea what I was gonna do in my career.
2. The people I met had no clear idea either.
Don't get me wrong, I met some intelligent people along the way, but we were all so young then.
Because of my "early" enlistment, my batch of recruits and trainees all come from really varying backgrounds. I have platoon mates in my unit who was enlisted when they were into their 2nd year of working lives after graduating from poly, which was a blessing in disguise as I was plunged into an environment filled with a mix of a few overgrown kids and mostly working adults.
DeleteThe NS system was sure fucked up then. I am not so sure about now.
I am guessing that you and I are about the same age (or that I am slightly older?) - I enlisted in 1995 and ORDed in 1997.
DeleteYou are definitely my elder. Probably when you were finishing university, I was about to about to be enlisted. I remember being the lucky 1st batch of 2 years NS. If I was to be enlisted just 2 weeks earlier, I need to do 2 years + 4 months?
DeleteYeah. I served 2 years 4 months. Damn.
DeleteI heard that it was shortened to less than 2 years recently. Seriously, instead of making such superficial adjustments to the NS system, they should really take a hard look at the purpose of retaining such a system. If there really is a need for military deterrence, they should have used the resources that was wasted on conscription for establishing a professional military force. My friend has this saying, "Once you put on the uniform, your intelligence and rational sense is all absorbed by the uniform."
DeleteOn the part relating to increased respect for authority, some people might turn out even worse than before. From my personal experiences, I learned that the "authority" may not always have your best interest in mind and manipulate you into making poor choices for their personal benefit. Some authority just cannot be trusted at all. The best way to deal with such authority is to leave - which you did by leaving Singapore.
ReplyDeleteThe NS-style authority isn't exactly the authority I would choose to respect. Getting shouted at, mirco-managed even on personal affairs like sleep, ridiculous punishment for minor offences and NS being a force rather than consent. I would still pretend to respect the "NS authority" not because I am person who respect authority automatically, but rather, it is because I have to...
Dakota, I've yet to figure out your gender - do you have to serve NS?
DeleteLucky you.
DeletePrior to NS, I was a self-centered, arrogant ass. NS forced me out of my comfort zone to work with, and eventually manage, folks from all walks of life. I learned to empathize with people, appreciate the little things in life and never to take things for granted.
ReplyDeleteHowever, while I believe I gained something from NS, I am not pro-SAF at all. Talk to enough "pro-NS" folks and you'll find a common pattern - people who claimed to have learned something useful from NS - diplomacy, empathy, teamwork etc. - these guys usually have enough smarts and EQ and would have eventually picked up these life skills elsewhere anyway. If you ask me, thanks to the SAF's generally incompetent way of managing things, NS is a terribly inefficient and unproductive channel for personal development.
And that is all supposing the enlistee has the optimism and mental fortitude to try to make the best out of the situation. NS is usually seen as a waste of time by many, and in the worst case scenarios, some recruits get traumatized from hazing/bullying to the extent that they would commit suicide. It is a great injustice but unfortunately, the majority of Singaporeans have allowed and will continue to allow this to happen.
Hi BFL, like you I was self-centred and I wouldn't use the word arrogant but more ignorant really: that was a reflection of my sheltered upbringing that didn't expose me to anything beyond my comfort zone, to the rest of Singaporean society. It was in NS that was the very first time I was forced to confront many different kinds of people from different social backgrounds and learn to work/live with them. Not easy I would say, it was like being thrown in the deep end of the pool and expected to swim - that was the hardest part of NS and like you, I learnt quickly and swam. Well, what was the alternative?
DeleteBut you're right: in our working lives, we will eventually have to pick up these life skills anyway along the way and I'm just wondering how relevant some of these live skills actually are? A lot of that depends on what kind of job you end up doing - are you someone who's a people-person (ie. front end sales), so your job requires you to befriend and get along with anyone and everyone? Or are you say an IT expert who sits behind a computer all day and doesn't really need to speak to anyone (hence v little need for that kind of people-skills).
You are also right in the way you described SAF's incompetence and the mess we are confronted with when we enlist: hence in making sense of this mess, in making the best of a bad situation, we pick up some skills along the way. That's not a good enough reason to defend such a system.
From my experience, what NS does best is to instill discipline and improves your ability to follow instructions. However it discourages you from thinking out of the box. Any alternative view or too much intelligence on your part will make you a target of bullying by your superiors.
ReplyDeleteMind you, some companies like hiring people who are very good at just taking instructions and not asking too many questions.
DeleteAnd jobs are jobs that don't usually pay well because you are not contributing some special to your employmer.
DeleteAnytime they see you "misbehaving", they will just replace you with another monkey.
Oh and such job can be simply phased out via automation.
DeleteMy own personal golden rule when working: if I have to repeat a certain action/task more than 2 times, I would automate the shit out of it. That ranges from data entry to my own coding (yes, write programs to program in a different language to debug and generate variations of programs in another language). And I believe I am not alone in this mentality.
So unfortunately, for people who just take instructions and not thinking on your own feet, your jobs belong to those with the greatest potential to be automated away.
For point 3, no idea where you got that quote from but that person was smoking crack. Apart from the public sector, which hires lots of ex-military personnel, most private sector gatekeepers don't care about NS (in fact they would prefer you not have to serve it).
ReplyDeletePersonally most of my past hiring managers were either female or foreigners so NS experience did shit all for me. I was almost charged for insubordination by one of the officers but good thing I was posted out from that unit. I have nothing but nightmares about the 2yrs 8 months of my NS life. I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemies, however PAP supporters can knock on themselves out if they want to serve so badly.
Hi Choaniki - let's put it this way, the guy I spoke to was super pro-NS and he felt that how well you did in NS was a good reflection of how good an employee you would be, since paper qualifications only demonstrated your ability to do well in exams whilst NS was a real, working environment. So as someone who was fairly senior in his company, yes he took interest in what his applicants did in NS if they were male Singaporeans. But that's just him, of course. No two gatekeepers are the same.
DeleteHi bro. I was a gatekeeper myself a few years back and NS is usually seen as nothing more than an ECA. Good if you have it, doesn't matter if you don't as long as you have the relevant work experience and academic achievements.
DeleteHowever, if I have 2 similar fresh-grad CVs, I would often have to look at NS experience if there are little differentiating factors. If a guy is from a demanding unit like the commandos, he is usually quite tough inside and out as compared to, say, a "slacker" storeman.
That said, I can tell the difference precisely because I did NS. Fellow HR associates who did not do NS usually couldn't care less.
Seems like for point 3, I was executing the UK-style in Singapore.
DeleteI remember starting from part-time projects right after I ORD, then doing part-time contracting work during my undergraduate days. It kind of seemed sad that I was one of the small percentage that was doing it. While my peers were out having fun, I was working on side projects to fund my personal spending of essential needs and building up my CV.
I spent my free time in NS studying in preparation for university, it did pay off - after all, after switching off for so long, my brain needed restarting before getting back to student mode.
DeletePersonal experiences and rite of passage, are just a by product of NS. The obligation is there, so do you make the most of it,make new friends, do things you've never done before, etc. Your parents probably fret about you having to serve, but again as a by product of the process they might be glad if it makes you more independent or helps you lose weight, etc.
ReplyDeleteBut these do not justify the need for NS. It was probably never, and should not be seen as something to have because it is a rite of passage without which our men become lesser men than others.
I'd say the need still exists simply because per the Singaporean mentality it would be hard to maintain a force of say 50000 career soldiers. Those who would consider soldiering as the best career choice for them now have probably already taken up the army or police force as work.
So this NS guy died during training in 2012 from an allergic reaction to smoke grenade fumes. The SAF officers have detonated 6 grenades instead of 2 as specified in the training regulations.
ReplyDeleteThe family sued the SAF and after 3 years of legal battle, they lost and had to pay legal costs of $22,000 to the defendent (SAF).
Here is the mother's facebook post from last night:
https://www.facebook.com/DomSarronLee/posts/1101107319933865
Screwed up beyond belief.
A damn shame. Think of all the slacking he could have done since SIngapore really doesn't have any enemies other than its own citizens.
DeleteCertainly, becoming more mature, etc is not really a good reason for keeping NS. But then again that's not the reason why we have NS. At the end of the day deterrence is the core reason, anything else is just side benefits.
ReplyDeleteHey @Limpeh - NS is divisive: it pits males against female (not going down the gender roles thing, just keeping it SGporean) i.e. "I served NS but YOU didn't etc etc" and this is a strange stance because, isn't NS about serving one's nation etc etc? It's about the Draft without any possibility of seeing actual battles.
ReplyDeleteThe only real reason I'd celebrate NS would be if I get to keep the rifle and possible sidearm that may or may not be issued. That or the utility knife. Either way, a weapon and ammunition as payment is worth 2 years of service to what I would call a dictatorship.
ReplyDeleteThen again, this is coming from a jaded asshole who thinks that America is the best country due to grass-is-greener-syndrome and has a bit of an anger problem. Make of that what you will