Friday 1 January 2016

Q&A: Poly, NS and the messy reality of life

Hello everyone. Okay, my first post of the year is my response to this comment that was left for me in the early hours of new year's day 2016. A bit bizarre but rather predictable nonetheless, so here it is for you to read before I will reply:
AD doesn't want to serve NS - what are his options?

Hello Limpeh, I have spent the past few days reading so many of your posts, especially those about Singapore's parenting , tuition, education system, horrible mentality, and all of that and it spoke right to me , those are things that i have absolutely been thinking for countless years in the same way and I finally found somebody who expressed it succinctly through words. I am 18 years old , 1 semester through Year 1 of a computer engineering course in poly and i absolutely hate it. I am about to drop out due to both the meaningless curriculum (which is filled with non-computer engineering modules) and my classmates which are just obnoxious beyond reason, as I have thought long about it and I strongly feel it would help my sanity and mental health. I absolutely dread going to school each day and I can't take any more of it.

So right now I am planning to escape overseas and escape National Service before they grab me by my two legs (or two years of my life), I have zero faith in Singapore's both way of life and government, and I'm hoping to hear your wisdom or advice of what to do in my situation. However I am in a state of panic and shock as I have never thought so hard about being independent and doing all these things that I am about to do. All the career advice, all the life lessons that my parents have given me are bullshit and i have believed them for so long. I don't want to end up like my parents! they are unhappy and poor people. I could just stay in the course but don't show up for lessons to prevent Mindef from bugging me , and work for flight tickets and a few months of rent. However I have no idea if I should start working, or continue studying once I get there. (I am really tight on cash, I come from a poor family) Please help!
My first response was this, "if you think I am going to give you any money, you are barking up the wrong tree." But let me respond to some of the points Armstrong Dicksmasher (AD) has made in his post: okay, so he hates his course at poly at the moment and who is he blaming? The poly? His parents? The MOE? His obnoxious classmates? His teachers? Oh I know, how about blaming yourself for having chosen the wrong course? It happens. AD didn't tell me how he ended up studying in this computer engineering course at poly (it sounds like a viable option to me) - but unless someone forced him against his will to do this course, then he really needs to start taking responsibility for that bad decision. Okay, it is not the right course for you - you need to switch to something else you are interested in. I am going to have to tell you to stop playing the victim and start being an adult: take control of the situation.

Believe me, loads of people end up making bad decisions in life: apart from starting the wrong course at poly or university, sometimes you start a job and then realize it is just wrong for you. Sometimes you even get into a relationship with someone and then have second thoughts when things don't quite work out the way you intended. Such is the messy reality of life - learn to cope with it. If you had unrealistic expectations about how good your education at the poly was going to be, then you only have yourself to blame for having these unrealistic expectations which were based on some idealized image of Singapore, rather than reality. You need to speak to your parents about the situation - they may not have been as understanding as you had hoped they would be, but since they are paying your school fees, you owe it to them to at least explain the situation to them and involve them in this decision, since dropping out of this course will mean a financial loss for them. The money they used to pay your fees at the poly didn't fall from the sky like rain - it is their hard earned money. You need to recognize that, reach an understanding with your parents and hope that they will fund whatever you wish to study next. Your education isn't free, don't forget that.
Education is not free - far from it. Someone has gotta pay.

As for your difficult relationship with your parents - yeah I've been there, my parents didn't give me good advice either and I just accepted that they tried their best to give me what advice they could but it was my responsibility as an adult to do my own homework to figure out what path I should take in my adult life. The only reason why you are disappointed with your parents is because your expectations of them are so high - unrealistically high in fact. Not everyone has parents who are in a position to give any kind of useful career advice but the one thing you need to recognize is that whilst your parents may be guilty of giving you some bad advice along the way, they had never set out to deliberately mislead or deceive you. There is absolutely no malice on their part when they have offered you bad advice - let me be the voice of reason AD. Do not be cross with your parents: save your anger for people who do set out maliciously to hurt you and believe you me, there will be people out there who will gladly stab you in the back (or the front, in your face). Save your hatred for those people, spare your parents, please. They are not the enemy.

Without at least a poly diploma, you cannot realistically expect to get a decent job. With only O levels (or A levels), you have no more than general secondary education. Now I have to be careful what I say here as I know I have always argued that there are career options which do not really require a specific degree (or a degree at all), but allow me to be totally honest here: you need some kind of talent and luck in order to make it without a degree. Let's take someone like David Beckham for example - multimillionaire superstar football icon. Beckham has no more than GCSEs (the equivalent of O levels) as his highest qualifications; but he is stunningly talented as a footballer. With his good looks and a media savvy team behind him, he has managed to keep himself in the spotlight long after his football career is over. The moral of the story? You need raw talent - some people like Beckham don't need to go to university to make the most of their raw talent, others use their time at university to refine that raw talent into a skill that will launch their careers. Now I don't know what talent(s) you may or may not have, but this is really not the time for you to quit formal education yet. You are only sabotaging your chances of getting a good career by trying to escape NS at this stage.
Beckham has the skills to become a megastar.

As for NS, well I hate to be the one to break this to you: but you have to do it for a simple reason. No country in the world would grant you asylum just because you don't want to serve NS. It's that simple. Even if you disappeared to somewhere like China or Malaysia, guess what? You don't have the right papers to live and work there legitimately and you can't even get a job there without the right papers, even if you are willing to work for very little money. Countries like Germany may be accepting a lot of Syrian refugees at the moment, but these are people fleeing a brutal civil war - if you turned up at Germany and tried to claim asylum as a Singaporean, you will be turned away and returned to Singapore. I don't know how to express this any more clearly to you: no country in the world will take you as a Singaporean. I refer you to the case of the Singaporean transgender woman who tried to seek asylum in the UK because she didn't want to have to serve NS reservist in Singapore - guess what? Her case was rejected and she was repatriated to Singapore. AD, you don't have a legitimate claim for asylum.

I don't even know why you are talking about money issues because that is a moot point - the amount of money you can currently earn in Singapore is going to be insignificant anyway because you are not qualified to take on any kind of skilled employment. So even if you do ditch your course and work for a few months to buy a plane ticket - did you think about what you will do once you land in another country? Say you run off to Thailand (hey, plenty of cheap tickets available with the budget airlines), guess what? You think you can just settle down to a quiet life there in Thailand? Well for starters, to work there, you need to have a valid visa, a work permit and to be employed in an occupation that does not violate the Alien Employment Act. Are there Singaporeans who work in Thailand? Of course there are, but these tend to be highly qualified professionals who are able to bypass the Thai Alien Employment Act and there are a long list of professions which are reserved for Thais only. In short, you clearly have not done any research on just how hard it is to try to get a work permit outside Singapore. If you are really serious about leaving Singapore, then you will need to do a lot of homework and find out exactly what you need to find a good job abroad.
Are you aware of the rules to work abroad?

You know what your problem is? You are so focused on what you want - rather than what lies before you. This is evident from your attitude towards your education and your NS liabilities. You want to leave Singapore, avoid NS and seek greener pastures abroad because in your words, "I have zero faith in Singapore's both way of life and government". The fact that you don't like Singapore doesn't mean that other countries are going to welcome you with open arms - it doesn't work like that. You really need to consider your options in terms of what is open to you and choose from the realistic options. Becoming a fugitive like Amos Yee simply isn't going to help you in the long run, no. You want me to be realistic? Find a course that will lead to a work permit abroad (something like radiography or nursing would do nicely), finish your NS and then in about 5 or 6 years, you would be in a position to start looking for work abroad. That is not what you want to hear, but that's your best case scenario and I have no doubt my many readers will agree with me. (Go on readers, please leave AD a comment and let him know your thoughts.)

Will you listen to reason? I don't know - so let me leave you by telling you what will happen if you don't listen to me. Say you ditch your course, work a few months then buy an air ticket to the UK. You land in London on a tourist visa and realize, oh shit this is a very expensive country, nothing is cheap. You then also realize that whilst you're on a tourist visa, you have no right to work here and you can't find any paid employment. You overstay your tourist visa and become an illegal immigrant here, you somehow manage to stay under the radar for a year until you get really cold and sick during the winter months. You are so hungry that you faint in a street whilst looking for food in dusbins: some kind people find you lying unconscious and take you to a hospital, but when the hospital staff run background checks on you, they realize that you are an illegal immigrant and they turn you over to the authorities instead (not because they are bastards but they are obliged by law to do so). You are arrested as an illegal immigrant and repatriated back to Singapore - upon landing at Changi airport, you are arrested for overstaying your exit permit and deliberately not serving your NS obligations. You land up in jail for a very, very long time in Singapore and at the end of that jail term, you still have to do NS. By the time you have finished NS, you are in your 30s, a completely broken man with no money, no skills, no hope of getting a decent job and condemned to spend the rest of your days living with your parents in Singapore. And that's me trying to be optimistic and paint you a best case scenario. That's how badly wrong things will go if you insist on following through with your plan. It is your life to mess up, don't say I didn't warn you.
On the issue of you having to serve NS, you should hope for the best but expect the worst. I would be lying if I said otherwise, but more to the point - you don't really have any alternative to escape NS. You missed the boat. The only viable option was if your parents had emigrated abroad years ago and if you had renounced your Singaporean citizenship before you turned 16. You're now 18 and still Singaporean - you've missed the boat by two years, it was a boat you would have never gotten on anyway as your parents had no intention of emigrating just to spare you the burden of NS. Such is the hand fate has dealt you - you are stuck with it and it sucks. It sucks bad and there's nothing I can say or do to change that fact apart from asking you to get past the denial (you're clearly in denial as you have yet to accept the fact that you are going to have to do NS no matter how much you may hate it) and just get on with life. There is no alternative as running away is just not a viable option that will work out for you at this stage in your life.

Now before my readers accuse me of being way too negative about your time in NS, let me say something in all fairness: I don't have a crystal ball to predict what your NS experience will be like. If you get nice people in the unit your are sent to, then you may find it pretty okay (and dare I say, you may even have some fun along the way) - but if you have the misfortune to be put in a unit with obnoxious idiots, then it will be hell on earth. I had a mixed bag of the two - I have encountered both nice and nasty people along the way during my time in NS and I did make the best of a bad situation during my time in NS. Was it fun? Hell no, I was counting the weeks and days before I was a civilian again - but the fact is I managed to keep my head down, keep my mouth shut and emerge from NS in one piece after 2 years 4 months (yes, back in my day, NS was longer). Really, it is not the end of the world if you have to serve NS.
NS: been there, done that. 

I am hoping that you will respond by saying that you weren't really thinking things through when you posted your original comment. I hope I am not wasting my time by trying to talk some sense into you. We all need to let off some steam once in a while, but good grief, please tell me you are not serious about fleeing abroad to avoid NS because that is just not going to work out. You wanna move abroad and leave Singapore, let's talk about the issue sensibly. At this point, I am going to invite my other readers to try to talk some sense into you AD. Thanks for reading everyone.

21 comments:

  1. I agree with limpeh. Life is not easy and there are often many bumps along the way. Most of us are not where we want to be eventually, instead we are constantly working towards a goal, be it a promotion, a better family life etc. That's life I suppose.. Continuous growth and improvement. It gives life meaning. Limpeh is right, escaping overseas is not a wise decision at all given your young age, NS obligations and lack of good qualifications. You might want to think harder about what you really want for a career in the future. Best wishes to you!

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  2. Gosh. This guy is naive. Grow up, pay your dues, get a real job, then in 10-15 years get out of Singapore if possible. It isn't easy building a life abroad without education and/or money.

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    1. 10-15 years is kinda long. If he plays his card right (ie. do a nursing or radiography course) that starts next year, wait 1 year for the course to start, then let's say 3 years training, plus 2 years NS, we're looking at 6 years before he is qualified and maybe a year or 2 for work experience, then he can be settled in another country in 7 to 8 years. Maybe as little as 6, but that's unlikely. The short cut would be for his parents to pay for him to study abroad, but as he said his parents can't afford it - so that option ain't open to him.

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  3. Finish your poly; and NS. Then work and save for a working holiday visa or internship/work experience abroad. There are many schemes. Check STA Travel.

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    1. Linda, the problem with his current course (IT-related) is that it does NOT point him in the direction of a career which will lead to a work permit in the West. I have a reader Choaniki (I hope he will respond to this article) who gave up a successful & lucrative career in IT for that very reason to retrain in radiography to become an X-ray expert. Why? Because it was so so hard to get a work permit in the West for IT and he was desperate to get out of Singapore - hence the big career switch and he is currently a student again, in his 30s.

      Even if he does get a working holiday or internship/work experience abroad - would these lead to that elusive work permit if he is simply in the wrong field (IT) ? No. He clearly hates his course at the moment - I think it is time to cut his losses, say goodbye to IT and start retraining in nursing/radiography (well, or at least anything that will get him a work permit abroad, like engineering as well).

      But no, not IT. Over to you, Choaniki.

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    2. A working holiday for jobs not in the shortage list gives you at most 1 to 2 years after which you have to get the hell out of the country. Not nearly enough time to get PR status to remain longer. So nope, IT or most other skilled jobs are out. I've already considered this. Read part 2 where i expound on the full list of options available to anyone hoping to migrate.

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  4. It's true that what AD is learning in poly right now may not be applicable and perhaps may not be useful in the future. But that doesn't means it's entirely useless. I've taken very broad spectrum of subjects during my entire poly and uni years and I can outright honest with u that none has been applicable in my decade worth of lab and commercial experiences in both biomed and pharma industries. Science and computer technology are fast pace industries and they kept changing and advancing, so there's no way school can keep up with the latest advancement and bring it over to lecture room that easily. Even they are able to, by ur final year, what u've learned is probably outdated. However, that's not the point. Going to school is not entirely useless as u thought. We all need to have a base to start with and that's where education comes in, giving us a foundation. People who do science need to know what is the central dogma, what's DNA. Likewise for computer enginneers u need to know what's C+, php etc. And in today's world, u need a paper qualification to tell people u've that knowledge. Unless u r super talented (like what Alex stated - true raw talent) like Mark Zuckerberg. If u've that, please go ahead and do whatever u want to reach that level. If not, then it's time to step back to reality. Even I hated so much those boring scientific subjects and I didn't ace well in those subjects, I'm still awarded a full dip and degree. If u were to drop out right now, seriously speaking the school is not gg to award u 1/2 of the diploma. Whether u like it or not, study and do well. Do it well and get good grades. Doors of opportunities will open up for u once u graduate - may it be an overseas scholarship or a propectus employment opportunity. This is where u've options to chose. Right now, honestly speaking AD, u've seriously have not much choices and nothing to start with. I'd think what u need right now is be focused. If u regretted getting into this course then u need to reassess urself and decide what's best for u. Good luck!

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  5. AD is not hoping to get money out of you, LIFT. Instead you have inspired him into drastic action after reading your blog; but fortunately, you pulled him back to earth before he could ruin himself. Dead Poets Society Effect: teacher made student love acting, parents against it; internal conflict made the student commit suicide.

    AD I would advise you to take a step back and avoid being too impulsive. That you got into an IT course in Poly (one of the hardest to qualify for) shows you are a competent student with good results in your N or O levels. Try opting for a different faculty where the people are less obnoxious (nerdy/ competitive) more easygoing.

    Alternatively if you really cannot decide which course to switch to, then defer your Poly studies and get your NS obligation over with first. This gives you more time to decide what you want to study, and helps you gain experience in dealing with people.

    After NS you will feel more liberated and you can still use your N or O level results to re-apply for Poly again: either another course in the same Poly, or a different Poly altogether.

    By then, you would also have money in the bank if you save your NS allowance, so there will be more freedom and options for you if you do eventually want to migrate overseas (which I believe you do). THAT will be the right time to start following LIFT's example of how to spread your wings, but not now. All the best from me too :)

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    1. Hi CLT, thanks for your comment. I know I was a bit crass to think about money - but this is not the first time a young person has approached me for money, hence that's why I was cynical. I guess AD is being impulsive in terms of thinking that he wants to get out and he wants to get out in a matter of months, not years - but that's simply not logistically possible for him now. Such an option just doesn't exist.

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  6. Thank you so much, Limpei for writing so much information that I really needed! I ABSOLUTELY did not mean in the slightest to get a single cent out of you. The only reason I mentioned I was tight on cash was because I thought that cash would be one of the biggest obstacles in my hopes of migrating. I have actually less than $400 in my bank right now so that makes me worry about even being able to afford rent and food.

    Yes I admit I was being rash and impulsive, and partly suicidal.
    My thought process was that I'll skip NS and with whatever cash I have I'll survive a few days without giving a damn about anything else, and after I travel around seeing the mountains and landscape that Singapore never had I'll starve to death in peace. Now that I look back it's..I know in the back of my mind there are better ways to go through which is what led me to write the first comment.

    http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/part-3-working-hours-in-east-vs-west.html
    I forgot to mention your article of comparing working hours is also what really enraged me about Singapore, further driving me to get out of here ASAP.

    Thanks so much Chin Lam Toh! You understood me the first time.. To be honest, there have been many days that I wanted to kill myself since the O level period when I was 17, but I keep going on, taking a bath or sleeping makes me feel better and calms my nerves enough to rethink it. Taking the MRT to school everyday in the morning and looking at everyone around me in their wrinkly sullen looks of "another day in the grind" definitely doesn't help my depression and cynical view of Singaporeans..

    Di Talasi's comment about working like a drone in Singapore for 10-15 years was what I had in mind about what every other common Singaporean would try to/tell me to do, it takes far too long for me.

    I actually met one good friend from poly who initially planned to skip NS like me and become blacklisted. If that were the case he will not have a Singapore diploma as well.
    But he talked to his parents and they agreed to pay for his uni in US with condition that he finishes NS. Both plans did not include a diploma. Considering that he has relatives (ancestry) and connections in US to get that much desired citizenship, while I don't, that's not an option. I could try to convince my parents to pay for overseas study.

    After reading the entire article and all of the comments, I decided that one likely route I have is take a step back and change my poly course into something like radiology to allow me overseas, or maybe go into NS first.

    Thanks so so much everybody! Especially LIFT. You definitely did not waste your time in writing this. Thank you again for providing insight into the choices I have that I could not possibly have figured out on my own scrambled mind. This route that I am planning now that can be achieved in 6-8 years is at least acceptable, if I could work for weeks of trips overseas in that 6 years its even more bearable.

    P.S: I have a religious father listening to a loud online sermon outside my room right now who has no chance of providing me such advice. Burying his sad life into religion in hopes of getting into heaven, a better afterlife, instead of taking practical steps to improve his current one. This is what makes religion so insidious and disgusting in my opinion.
    I'm sorry if I am blaming my parents, is it wrong that I hate so much that I am born into such low circumstances and connections...? But the past is past. Now I shall take my future in to my own hands with the information that I have been so generously provided here.

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    1. AD: working like a drone like every other common Singaporean as you put it .... first of all, you ARE a common Singaporean. 10-15 years will come and go in no time. I forgot to tell you to change your program. Health care practitioners are in demand. Engineers are also in demand from my sources. Alex had a good point. You can cut your purgatory period to less than 10 years if you play your cards right.
      I am going to give you some tough love advice --- quit your whining and self-pity. Use the resources you have and think, plan,and yes, work hard and smart. Play your cards right. Btw, life overseas isn't a piece of cake either. You need fortitude and perseverance. Cultivate these qualities now rather than when you are actually on foreign soil. Finally, shut up and do the NS. It is too late to escape. The two years will come and go.

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    2. AD, Di may have harsh words for you but trust me, she is a very wise woman (she just doesn't suffer fools gladly). Do listen to her please - let me try to reiterate her points in a gentler way.

      1. There are no short cuts in life - there are no escape routes, the only way to emigrate from Singapore is to plan to do it properly in terms of embarking on the right career path (hence the right choice of course at poly is VITAL at this stage). What this means is that any common Singaporean can plan his/her escape from Singapore as long as s/he plays his/her cards right and it boils down to good planning.

      I do hate the phrase 'common Singaporean' because it does suggest that you need to be some kind of special foreign talent before you can emigrate - that is clearly not the case. Choaniki was earning very good money in IT but chose to switch careers, retrain as an X-ray specialist in order to emigrate to the West. Does working in IT make him a common Singaporean? Not really, he was doing very well - it just wasn't a career path that would lead him OUT of Singapore. Let's demystify this process of emigration by talking about career paths and the process of getting work permits.

      But yes, we are talking minimum 6 years - probably closer to 7 - 8 if I am to be realistic, but then again, if your parents can pay for you to study abroad... though I don't know if they realize what your plans are in terms of eventually leaving Singapore for good?

      And yes - in so many words, shut up and do the NS, it is too late to escape. Mate, you never really had the chance to escape because the only route out would have involved your parents moving away from Singapore, getting you another citizenship before you turned 16. Remember the day you turned 16? Yeah, the moment you turned 16, that's it, the boat sailed that day and you were not on it - and that was TWO YEARS AGO. So any talk about escaping NS today is pointless man, just pointless, because you have missed that boat by 2 years.

      I will write you a longer reply in response to your post later.

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    3. Sorry, I did not mean to be harsh. It is true I don't suffer fools gladly. Alex knows me well. Even with my son whom I adore, I slap him verbally into his senses once in a while.
      I want to reiterate the importance of the right career path. When I applied years ago whilst already living in Canada as a foreign student, our lawyer told us that cooks were in demand. Yes, professional cooks were more likely to get PR status than my husband's business degree. So there you are. You need to do your research. Right now, health care and engineering industries are hot. In 10 years, who knows?

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    4. Hahahaha, if you think you were harsh, wait till you read my latest reply...

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    5. Part 2: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/advice-for-ad-part-2.html

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  7. Hi AD. You need professional help, and I say this sincerely and there is no shame in it. Do that first.

    Now please be aware that even in what you think is a shithole like sg, there will be ample avenues for such help. Hunker down and do your time as advised, then plan your escape. At least you have a goal at a young age and know what you want. I can tell you that if you play your cards right, you will go places, likely get out of sg eventually. Provided that's still what you want, when the time comes...

    -S

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    1. Thanks for the kind advice for AD - He is taking the right step by reaching out to a community of people here of ex-Singaporeans who are now far, far away. I'm in the UK, You're in Australia, Di is in Canada etc. But I agree that for his depression, he needs someone local to speak to as we can only do so much via this medium.

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  8. Hey Limpeh,

    I know some readers can or love being abused even via comments!

    This guy does need and has received very good advice from the comments here. I just hope he sorts out his depression or suicidal thinking first.

    AD, because you are low and desperate, you can turn this into something good. However it may get worse before it gets better.

    Friends are important too. Never lose touch with them. I've had friends who helped me in my time of great need in sg. And I've made such friends here in Oz. You are not alone, and there's only so much online strangers like us can do for you. Reach out to your real world friends in your time of need.

    NS can be a good place to make friends. I was a navy regular, and my best friends from sg were made during my navy days.

    -S

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    1. Hi S. I did cover the topic of his suicidal thoughts in part 2 of my advice here: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/advice-for-ad-part-2.html Like I said, I don't believe he actually wants to kill himself per se. He has a situation whereby he has 3 problems before him - solve those and he will gladly stay alive. Some people turn to suicide because they have such problems that they cannot solve, that's why they choose to kill themselves, so in that way, they no longer have to face those difficult problems.

      In AD's case, he CAN solve those problems and they are not so difficult that they cannot be resolved. He hates his course at poly: simple, drop out, have a good think about a different career path and pick a more suitable course. Difficult relationship with his parents: simple, grow up, stop being the emotionally needy teenager and start being the more emotionally mature adult who knows how to rely on his peers rather than his parents for emotional support. NS? Well, no solution: keep your head down, keep your mouth shut and 2 years will pass.

      Follow this formula and his problems will be dealt with. It's not a perfect solution but it will work.

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  9. Just sharing my 2 cents. IT can lead to a path overseas. Maybe not to Europe, but is that the only place in your radar? I know of IT people who migrated to US and Australia on the strength of their work experience. It is how you make of it and how you plan your career.

    But in order to do that, you first have to put in the hours. It takes 10,000 hours to be an expert in something. It helps if you are interested in the subject. From what I read, you have an interest in Engineering, it is just the people and the curriculum (non-IT subjects) that you are unhappy with. The good thing about IT is that it is very easy to be a practitioner. Borrow a book from the library and start working on your own phone application if that interest you. Google and youtube is your friend. Treasure the time you have before NS to explore and learn.

    Lastly nursing and radiology is not for everyone. In my view, nursing is a calling. If you don't have the passion, this profession is not for you.

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  10. http://www.bygpub.com/books/tg2rw/tg2rwbooktoc.htm

    This seems to be good reading - The Teenager's Guide to the Real World

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