A basic introduction to left vs right wing |
Okay to begin with, do you know if you are left wing or right wing? It is never that simple - I find myself identifying with both the left and the right on different issues, so I usually claim that I am in the middle. If you are not sure what left wing/right wing politics imply, then I suggest you follow this link for a bit of reading (though I am sure the vast majority of my readers understand it well enough). In fact, there are online tests you can take to find out just where on the political spectrum your views lie, It breaks down your political views on two main issues: economic ones and social ones. So in my case, on the economic scale, I am very right wing indeed; but on the social scale, I am quite left wing - so that makes it pretty difficult for me to describe myself as classically right or left wing. If you are not sure whether you are left or right wing, why not take such a test and find out a bit more about yourself?
In spite of the complexity of choosing a side, most voters in the UK manage to somehow simplify the process and self-identify with either the left or the right at elections because you usually can only vote for one candidate, thus you ultimately forced to make a choice. How each person ultimately makes that choice is usually a compromise: for example, most people usually just default to the one issue that matters most to them and ignore everything else. So for example, if you have a parent in ill-health, then you may vote for the party with the best policy on healthcare even though you may disagree with them on everything else from their stance on the environment to immigration to education. Another way voters choose is to simply default to the cult of personality: they may vote for a candidate simply because they either like the candidate or the party leader. These are the voters who probably don't spend too much time contemplating each party's policies in great detail and they simply treat an election like a big reality TV contest whereby they get to pick whom they like best. This may go some way to explain why Labour did so badly at the last elections, because their former leader Ed Milliband was so geeky and awkward with the media - even if he may have had good policies, many voters decided against voting Labour because he lacked charm, wasn't photogenic and handsome enough. Ouch. Poor Ed Milliband. It is harsh but true - welcome to the very unforgiving nature of politics.
Now here's the thing about British voters who become unhappy with the party they support: they would usually vote for another party but still from the same side of the political divide and rarely ever from the other side of the divide. Let's look at the case study of Scotland in last year's general election: Scotland is generally quite left wing, Labour has always done pretty well in Scotland. What happened when Scottish Labour supporters got incredibly fed up with Labour? They voted instead for the SNP, another left wing party (instead of say the Tories, the main right wing party). As much as these ex-Labour voters wanted to send a message to the Labour party, they are still very left wing at heart and thus would never vote for a right wing party. British voters rarely ever cross the left wing-right wing political divide: in fact, this concept of the 'protest vote' to punish Labour propelled the Liberal Democrats into a coalition government with the Tories in 2010, with their then leader Nick Clegg holding the post of Deputy Prime Minister from 2010 to 2015.
Mhairi Black of the SNP - one of the youngest MPs ever. |
This is bad news for Labour and very good news for the Tories - there are far more parties occupying the center to left end of the political spectrum and even the Tories, whom most consider right wing, prefer to call themselves center-right (as if they are almost ashamed of being right wing). So Labour has many other British parties to compete with on the left: the SNP, the Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, Social Democrats, the Greens, Respect whilst the Tories really only have one true opponent on the right: UKIP. I will talk more about the phenomena of UKIP later but you can see why Labour has an uphill struggle with far more opponents to lose votes to than the Tories. Past Labour triumphs at the general elections have depended on their very good results in Scotland and given the way the SNP has effectively taken control of virtually all of Scotland, Labour has no hope of ever getting into power again until the SNP well and truly screws up. I'm talking about a scandal on an epic scale that well and truly discredits the SNP for a generation - but guess what? The SNP are doing pretty well for now and that's very, very bad news for Labour. They simply cannot win a general election without Scotland - it is a statistical impossibility, do the maths. In short, Labour is doomed for a generation at least. My left wing friends are in denial and will disagree with me, but the statistics are pretty clear.
Wait a minute, I hear you say: it wasn't that long ago that Labour was in government, many of us remember the Blair-Brown era, so why can't they do it again? It is true that Labour did win three consecutive elections under Blair (1997, 2001, 2005) despite being highly unpopular following the way he was extremely close to George W Bush over the war on terror. Blair did have one quality that Ed Milliband sorely lacked: Blair had charm, he was able to convince people to do things his way (even if, in hindsight, it was a bad decision). That was how he became one of the UK's youngest PMs (he was first elected in 43), the longest serving prime minister and the only Labour PM to win three consecutive elections. Blair's vision of "new Labour" moved Labour to occupy the center ground, away from the kind of extreme left politics which made Labour untouchable and unelectable during the Thatcher-Major era. Corbyn however, has moved Labour firmly to the left again - the opposite of what Blair did. The economy boomed under Blair, so as long as the British people had food on the table and plenty of money in the bank, they were happy enough to ignore Blair's other mistakes. So unless Labour can find another charismatic young leader to reinvent themselves, there is no way they can make an impact under Corbyn: do the maths. You need to appeal to enough voters to win an election and you do that from the center, not the extreme left. That was the formula that Tony Blair used to secure his three victories.
What ideas will appeal to the British electorate? |
The Tories simply have way too many safe seats in England to prevent Labour winning enough seats to form a majority government - allow me to explain what a 'safe seat' is. We're talking about an area that always votes for a party without fail, regardless of circumstances. I live in a Tory safe seat - the Cities of London and Westminster. That means that the Tory candidate will always win by a pretty large majority - my MP Mark Field won by a margin of 30% over his nearest rival at the 2010 elections. That was an even bigger margin than in 2005 and 2001, when he won by a 22.2% margin. This was despite the fact that his first marriage ended with a divorce in 2006 after he had an affair during the period 2004-5. Ironically, the affair and divorce didn't affect Mark Field's popularity at all and sure enough, he celebrated yet another victory in 2015. I had a look at the records for my constituency and we've only had Tory MPs, we have never ever elected a non-Tory MP in this constituency.
But let me talk about UKIP now - they have been around since 1991, but nobody took them even half seriously till about 2004 when they started getting quite good results in the European elections. It was around that time when the main political parties started viewing them as a serious threat and they have been growing in strength ever since. They are a right wing party with a simple anti-EU, anti-immigration message. Personally, I don't trust them as I think they do not offer real solutions: even if you get the UK out of the EU and slam the door shut on migrants, then what? You still need comprehensive policies on everything else from education to housing to the environment to the economy to be an effective party in politics - yet they seem to go on and on about just the EU and migrants. They use the EU and migrants as a scapegoat for all the ills of society, but they don't have any real solutions beyond blaming migrants.
UKIP doesn't really offer any real solutions to complex problems. |
Yet they have become very popular - why? Like I explained earlier, many voters make their decision on just one issue: so those who are concerned about the influx of migrant workers from poorer EU countries will gladly support UKIP (and ignore all other issues), whilst those who want to shut the door on migrants altogether will also support UKIP for UKIP has taken the toughest stance against immigration compared to all the other mainstream parties. Using this simple strategy, by taking the strongest stance on the issue of the EU and immigration, UKIP has succeeded in doing something that is rarely ever seen in politics (not just in the UK, but in any country): they are a right wing party that has effectively persuaded a lot of single-issue voters who used to vote for Labour to switch sides and cross from the left to the right. Such is the rising appeal of anti-immigration parties across Europe these days - there are those on the left who feel that immigration is getting out of hand, but if their party leaders won't listen to them, then it may just push them to the point where they will support a party like UKIP.
So why is UKIP's phenomenal success such a significant game changer then? Let's start with the way it affects the split of vote between Labour and Tories: both parties have reason to be worried about UKIP as both parties have lost supporters to UKIP. But how do they react? Quite differently. Labour cannot afford to be seen to be anti-immigration like UKIP (Corbyn is all for welcoming a lot more Syrian refugees), doing so may piss off their traditional left wing supporters who have always had a very liberal attitude on the issue of migration; if they push too hard on the issue, they risk losing even more voters to other left wing parties. Thus they can only go on the offensive and attack UKIP for their shameful, racist and xenophobic attitude on the issue and hope that the message resonates with enough British voters. The Tories on the other hand, are worried that their supporters will desert them for UKIP if they are not seen to be right wing enough on the issue of immigration: thus their response? The Tories are trying to out-UKIP UKIP on the issue of immigration, in an effort to persuade their right wing supporters that the Tories have got immigration under control and that there is just no need to take a gamble with UKIP just to fix the problem of uncontrolled immigration.
Politics: the ultimate popularity contest |
There is much talk about the Tories being the nasty party - nobody likes to be labeled "nasty", yet in this context, it does serve the Tories well to be labeled nasty and they are probably silently thanking their left wing opponents for calling them nasty. There is a segment of the electorate that the Tories will never ever convince: those are the people who will always vote for a left wing party and would rather just not vote than to ever vote Tory. It is nearly impossible to try to get them to cross over and vote for the other side, so the Tories don't even bother trying to woo them at all for it is a lost cause. What they focus on instead, is the segment of the voters who do vote right wing and may choose UKIP instead of Tory because the Tories aren't nasty enough for their liking. So in that context, it doesn't serve the Tories at all to appear to be nice - they need to appear to be pretty nasty in order to safeguard their seats in government. Such is the complex nature of politics - being nice doesn't help you win, but being nasty does.
What does this tell you about British society then? It goes to show that some British people are indeed very concerned about controlling immigration. Most British voters do not understand the complex nature of the relationship between the EU and the government, about how the EU impacts on the laws that are used in the UK. What they can see, however, are the immediate impacts of immigration: the high streets in many cities have changed with the emergence of shops and business opened by these migrants and catering specifically to the migrant communities. Migrants have been employed in various businesses, so British workers have had to adjust to a multi-ethnic, multi-lingual international work environment. The migrants have arrived in huge numbers under the last Labour government and have made their presence felt. Now I must state that I don't think this is a bad thing - just an inevitable part of the UK being an attractive place to live, hence attracting all these migrants; but many working class Labour voters have been threatened by this change and thus pander to the rhetoric of "these Eastern European migrants stealing their jobs".
The British have mixed feelings about migrants. |
Statistically, that means two things: that Tories are guaranteed a victory at the next election either by winning outright, or forming a coalition with UKIP. Both scenarios will see the Tories lurching to the right (something that Theresa May has already demonstrated with her clamp down on migrants settling in the UK) and of course, that will mean one thing: the Tory government will be committing political suicide if they let in more Syrian migrants in light of the serious problems experienced in countries like Germany and Sweden. The Tories' self-interest will trump any kind of compassion for the refugees, thus the UK has taken in barely 1000 refugees as a token gesture last year as opposed to Germany's figure of 1,1 million. Remember what I said about being nasty in British politics? These Tories actually do want to be perceived as the nasty party particularly on the issue of refugees, for it will keep them in power. So yes, the UK's stance on refugees will be determined by what will keep the Tories in power for the next few elections, rather than a willingness of British society to accommodate the refugees and thus this issue will be determined by a small number of voters who may defect from the Tories to UKIP - and this small group people really hate refugees. Is this fair? Probably not. But is this democracy? Ironically, yes, that is how our democracy works - go figure.
Where does this leave me as a British voter then? Well, little has changed. I am actually going to be moving from a Tory safe seat to a Labour safe seat, so my vote is hardly going to make any difference when I move. As explained before, my social attitudes are left wing, but my economic attitudes are right wing: I have always defaulted though to just one or two issues when I vote and thus have given my votes to the Liberal Democrats over the years (and yes, I was thrilled when Nick Clegg became DPM back in 2010). However, I realize they are a spent force in British politics now but I will probably go on voting for them. If the Tories want to win my vote, they will have to show me that they have the economy under control whilst being very liberal on social issues like gay rights. Cameron championed gay marriage and introduced it, that is why I do like him as a PM, but I am less convinced about the Tories' track record on the economy. However, do I think that Labour would do a better job on the economy? No, I don't, certainly not under Corbyn. As an immigrant, I would never support UKIP and I suppose it is a bit selfish of me to think that I got into the UK way before UKIP was ever taken seriously. I am relieved that the UK isn't following Germany and Sweden's open door policy when it comes to accepting refugees, but the door should still be left open for the highly skilled migrants.
So that's it from me on this issue. I hope I have done this complex issue justice - I can write a lot more of course, but I will open it up now for questions from my readers and let's have a discussion about it please. Many thanks for reading.
Hello Sandra and thanks for your very insightful analysis. Greece is a bit of a lost-cause, because neither the extreme right nor the extreme left can sort out the epic mess they are in. The problem in Greece is corruption - it starts with ordinary folks cheating on their taxes, businesses not paying the right amount of taxes and then you have corrupt governments taking money out of the system for their cronies. This Greek lurch from left to right to left to right is a reflection that nobody can clean up the mess created by decades of corruption.
ReplyDeleteYes you've also hit the nail on the head about "disaffected lower-class white voters who are not opposed to state intervention & handhouts but really, really HATE migrants". Yup we have those in the UK too and they desert Labour for UKIP. I am not sure what Bernie Sanders has up his sleeves for that section of the American electorate, but I think Corbyn's options are limited. He has already clearly made his stance on refugees very clear by making speeches at events and protests asking the government to let in more refugees. That's the very reason why these ex-Labour voters have flocked to UKIP.
Corbyn is a man of integrity and he stands by his word: hence that's why he is not changing his stance about nuclear weapons and Trident. People like him because he is honest and doesn't do political U-turns if and when it suits him. This is why he is in a 进退两难 situation: his current stance will cause a certain segment of Labour's supporters to flock to UKIP. But if he performs a U-turn on his stance on migrants, then he will lose even more supporters - those who respect him for having more integrity than all these other politicians who will do/say anything to be popular.
In short, this refugee issue is a real 进退两难 problem for Labour - either way, you lose. It's what we call a no-win situation.
Having said all that, I do like Corbyn. He is like a breath of fresh air to politics - I just don't see his left wing approach appealing to the disaffected white lower class voters. There's a lot of good will and tree-hugging loving going on in the Corbyn camp, but where's the money gonna come from?
Excellent post, and rather timely! I just read this:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/20/lynton-crosby-and-dead-cat-won-election-conservatives-labour-intellectually-lazy
All in all a cocktail of disparate factors leading to Labour's defeat. You are on point, the Blair days are well and truly over. Labour needs a miracle now to regain power.
Ultimately, what the article (and your post) proposes is that the psychology of the average voter is simple. Pick an issue, run with it, and if it is a strong enough message, you will gain support.
A difficult task for the opposition to achieve in a Singaporean context. The vast majority of Singaporeans simply do not have an inclination to left-leaning social/economic values. 'Minimum wage' is a dirty word. Talk of LGBT rights often incur vehement opposition from conservatives. Criminalising homosexuality? Are you fucking kidding? It's like living in the Middle Ages. Healthcare? The newly implemented Medishield Life is a cash grab obfuscated by the rhetoric of 'affordable healthcare'and layers of fine print.
When you have an unequal distribution of power skewed towards the incumbent, especially in a one-party state like Singapore, the answer is obvious. Let's not even talk about left or right wing, even the very idea of democracy in Singapore is a joke.
But hey, I might be wrong. If Scotland can give the major parties the middle finger, perhaps one day Singaporeans might wake up too?
Well Tingguang, the key problem in Singapore now is the lack of quality candidates in the opposition camp. There are so many parties vying for power and a lot of them are not credible at all. I would like to see a coalition of credible opposition candidates take a united stand against the PAP.
DeleteThere are several credible candidates. Problem is they have trouble the work out. The mass media don't cover opposition messages and the elderly don't really seek out alternative online sources to view the opposition rally.
DeleteSay there are no opposition is too simplistic. Even US with their scandal ridden, corrupt politicians can win elections so I don't get why the bar must be so high in Singapore.
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DeletePAP probably would never win an election in the UK, unless they spend a lot of money on PR.
ReplyDeleteYes and no Dakota. The PAP doesn't need to spend a lot of money on PR or even make much of an effort on the kind of PR (which you may have observed in elections in the West) because they know they can win by a landslide anyway without bothering. Let me give you a very Singaporean analogy: say you know you are going to score well for this exam and your friend comes up to you and says, hey Dakota, there is this textbook on the subject, it is supposed to be really good but it costs $500 - should we get it? You would only get it if you were doing badly in the subject and you were desperate to improve your results, but if you were 100% confident that you were going to get an A+ without spending $500 on that textbook, then why would you bother spending money on that textbook?
DeleteThis is why the PAP doesn't bother with PR.
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ReplyDeleteHi Neoplasm, I agree 100% with what you said, but I suppose my response is different. I am like, well, such is capitalism for you, what did you expect - a socialist utopia? I just make sure that I earn enough money so that my wealth protects me - if you can't rely on the government, at least make sure you have plenty of money in the bank. (Or in my case, a sizable property portfolio).
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DeleteU support right wing economic policies because u are selfish and don't care about the poor and disadvantaged people. People like you just want to keep as much money as possible for urself. I read your write up on refugees..why should only highly skilled refugees be allowed into Britian? Should we just abandon the rest?
ReplyDeleteI think you are burning the bridge after you have crossed it. Many of the "unskilled" refugees are like you in the past. Given a chance many of them will succeed in Britain like yourself.
You arrived in Britain as an average unskilled Singaporean, but you were lucky and for some reason did well, maybe you can "smoke" well. Maybe many of the refugees will be lucky and survive like you?
The well to do such as urself can spend so much money on holidays and decorating your fancy house but are not willing to pay more taxes to help the disadvantaged.
I like Jeremy Corbyn, I think he is for the man on the street. I hope one day he can be Britain's PM and increase the taxes on the rich to help the people struggling. I also hope he will take in a lot more refugees like Germany and give them a chance to make it in life.
James, a few facts for you.
Delete1. It don't matter what I support - I am just a voter with one vote, I can't make that much of a difference since I am living in a safe Tory seat. I voted Lib Dems at every election anyway as I liked them best.
2. I support right wing economic policies because I don't want Britain to end up like Greece or Spain where the economy is just in a total mess. When there's plenty of money to spend, then by all means, Corbyn can play Santa Claus and give handouts to those on council estates. But when we're still in a deep recession, one has to tighten one's belt and not get the country further into debt.
3. But hey, I'm just a private citizen, a voter - my opinion (and for that matter, your opinion) doesn't really count as the government is gonna do what the hell they want anyway.
4. Please get the facts right. I arrived in Britain as a student - but not just that, as a scholar at a top university in the UK. That made it easy for me to stay on after graduation. I did not arrive as a high school drop out with no formal qualifications to my name - quite the opposite, I am armed to the teeth today with professional qualifications and degrees (oh and I speak ten languages). You do realize I'm hardly unskilled - LOL, quite the opposite, I am always vastly overqualified for most of the work I do, which is why I always end up working for myself (and hence why I am self-employed and run my own companies these days, as I am sick and tired of working for people less skilled than my awesome right-wing self.)
5. I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by 'smoke' - is that some kind of Singlish slang? Could you explain please?
6. The chances of a scholar at a top university succeeding in Britain is pretty high given that I have already proven myself in Singapore (hence I was awarded that third scholarship). Sorry if this sounds arrogant, but to compare me to refugees is ludicrous - like how many scholarships have these people had? How many languages do they speak? How skilled are they?
7. Am I lucky? Probably. But I also did well in the UK because I am armed with the right skills and qualifications. That has far more to do with a good education and hard work than sheer luck.
8. And please, I don't just have a fancy 3 storey-house with an awesome roof garden, I have a sizable property portfolio in London that generates plenty of rental income for me every month.
9. I do love my fancy holidays too. But I don't get to decide how much tax I pay - I just pay what the government tells me to pay, they make the rules, not me. I obey the law and pay what is due to the government. That's the way it works.
10. I like Corbyn too - but the odds are stacked against him, do the maths.
@james
Delete"Many of the "unskilled" refugees are like you in the past. Given a chance many of them will succeed in Britain like yourself.
You arrived in Britain as an average unskilled Singaporean, but you were lucky and for some reason did well, maybe you can "smoke" well. Maybe many of the refugees will be lucky and survive like you? "
hmm so Cambridge students/grads are unskilled now huh.
" I also hope he will take in a lot more refugees like Germany and give them a chance to make it in life."
Clearly you havent been watching the news. NOT that i'm against taking in refugees. They should be given refuge, under the parameters I described earlier. But obviously you would let in anyone you see as long as they're from outside europe.
BTW limpeh, smoke means, hmm, being able to achieve something without doing much. I think. I dont know if i've described it properly. Anyway something funny, a brit prof of mine said "as you singaporeans say, just smoke", referring to writing crap could possibly get you marks in the exam. LOL. funny he should know it. maybe its a rather recent development in singlish. so interesting.
Well Ivanovich, I find it bizarre that James assumed that I was an unskilled migrant. Oh it's so Singaporean for me to start boasting about how qualified I am (shall I begin with my PSLE scores and rattle off the very long list of awards I have won, the three scholarships, my achievement in sports, all my professional training etc...?) Whilst it may be argued that an undegrad is still considered an unskilled person (until he completes his degree at least), the fact that I was a scholar at a top university meant that I was offered a job before I even finished my last exam. I finished the last exam on a Friday and started work that Monday - barely had any time to celebrate that weekend as I was so busy getting ready to work. If there are refugees who have qualifications, skills and work experience that will enable them to get work quickly in the UK, then I am more than happy to welcome them to settle in the UK. That has always been my stance - let's welcome those who are willing and able to work, let Germany and Sweden take those who are not since they are clearly happy to do so. I've always said that the system needs to be better managed - I never said "shut the gates, turf out the refugees now". Never.
DeleteI just find James' comments about taxes ridiculous. LOL. I just pay my taxes like everyone else, right wing or left wing, I don't get a choice in the matter. It is not like a voluntary donation to a charity. I just pay it because it's called TAX - and I don't even get a say what the government spends it on. Whether it uses it to fund hospitals and schools or buy booze for asylum seekers - I don't get a say! George Osborne does not call me up to ask me for my opinion. Duh. So regardless of how I right-wing I may be when it comes to my personal opinion on the economic management of the country, it is really a moot point.
As for 'smoke' in the Singlish context, LOL. In the opinion of my sister, I wasn't just book smart, I was street smart - this is reflected in the way I have been able to adapt to new environments, such as when I worked in France and Germany. You could either say, "wow Alex is so good with languages, his French and German are so good and he's great when it comes to adapting to different working environments around the world." Or you could assume that I had somehow bluffed my way through working in Germany by 'smoking' and just saying "ja ja" a lot without understanding what the hell people are jabbering away at me in German. The fact is, you can only get so far with smoking - for crying out aloud, I am a 3-time national champion gymnast, I know what it means to work my butt off to achieve results. Let's see James turn up at a gymnastics competition and try to smoke his way to a gold medal. Ha! Let's face it, I'm fucking fabulous, he just doesn't like the fact that I hold some right-wing views.
And hey, I don't even think I'm that right wing. You should see the American supporters of Trump. LOL.
James, you made too many assumptions about Alex. Read up first.
DeleteLet me turn the tables on you --- why should the skilled migrants be abandoned? Why should the unskilled be let in? You are saying that failure to let the poor and unskilled is being selfish. How ludicrous!
If you cannot take care of yourself as a family, how do you take care of others? Hence, I am saying, the government has the responsibility to see to the quality of life of citizens first and foremost. A country is not a charitable foundation where the most needy is given top priority. Get real. I would worry if Canada starts letting them in by the millions without careful thought and consideration.
What do you do, James, to help the poor in your life? Alex should not feel guilty about his quality of life nor should he justify his wealth,or the lack thereof, whichever the case may be. He should only feel guilty if he doesn't pay his taxes and cheats the system. Enough of the bullshit about guilt over leading the good life. When I kick back and relax with my fine wine on my Ethan Allen armchair by my roaring fire, should I feel guilty until I take in a refugee into my home? Damn it, no. I contribute in other ways to society. Get of your sanctimonious high horse, James!
Hi Di. I just find it bizarre that James should try to attack me on having right wing views on how the economy should be managed when really, as a private citizen, I don't get ANY say on how the government chooses to spend my taxes (which I pay, like everyone else, I don't get a choice on the matter). Attack the British government for not doing more to help the poor, to help refugees by all means, but why critcise me, when I have no control over what my government does? As explained in my post - I live in a 'safe seat' - that means regardless of whom I vote for, my vote won't ever make a difference in the election as the same party always wins (and by a landslide). Such is democracy for you.
DeleteIf you have a problem with democracy, then criticise democracy. But don't hate me for trying to explain how it works to you. Don't shoot the messenger.
I don't get the attack on being right wing either. The beauty of democracy is that you get to choose. I, myself, tend to shift right and left depending on the issues.
DeleteWell written, as always. I dont see the need to confine oneself to either side of the spectrum. In fact I think that discourages actual beneficial discussion of policies or other important issues, and it also leads to a lot of groupthink. Case in point: the republican party. But yes i too subscribe to the lefts views on homosexuality etc, well the US left that is, and evident from my previous comments, clearly I have some right wing views on immigration (in Europe). I am completely for immigration in sg, for practical reasons.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I always thought you were for the welfare state? Does supporting right wing economic policies mean you support more Singapore/US style capitalism and a reduction in the welfare state? Or have I completely missed the goalpost here.
I don't believe in black-white simplistic dichotomies. I don't believe in saying that one is for or against the welfare state. I am for a welfare state that is well managed and fair, the same way I am all for letting in the right kind of refugees in light of current events: but in both cases, I believe the process needs to be very well managed rather than have this German style open door policy or in the case of the welfare state, just write blank cheques for anyone who asks for a handout. I don't believe that people should be allowed to starve to death, but if you look at some of the underclass who live on benefits, you would wonder why the government even spends any money to help these people who only know how to ask for handouts and never bother to work for a living.
DeleteSo, by that token, I am right wing - minimize the size of the government, leave things to the market economy and minimize the welfare state to help the deserving, not the lazy. I believe the welfare state should be reformed, improved and better managed, not scrapped.
Not yet anyway. Do you understand?
I see. Yes my views on the welfare system is pretty much the same. money should not be wasted on some people who do not deserve it.
DeleteThe curious thing about the political spectrum is that it varies, sometimes drastically, across countries. If the Conservatives were to suddenly somehow take part in US elections, i'm pretty sure they would be considered a left wing party lol. And also Merkels party is centre right. That again throws the notion of the political spectrum into disarray.
Well yes, what is right wing by German standards is quite left wing by American standards. The goal posts shift depending on what country you are talking about.
DeleteLimpeh, as a curious thought, if your stance is right in the middle of two different parties, how would you vote? Let us just assume that you view every issue just as equally important.
ReplyDeleteHi Weiping, then I would look at the candidates I have to choose from: whom do I trust more? Who has more experience? Who has a better track record? Whom would I rather have representing my interests in government?
DeleteYou'll be amazed how easy that choice is once you start reading the information of the candidate.
Politics in Singapore isn't about left vs right and most Singaporeans voters don't bother to make that distinction. PAP prides themselves being a pragmatic party.
ReplyDeleteThey started out as a left wing party once and was even part of Socialist International till they resigned when the Dutch accused them of suppressing freedom of speech. Lol.
It's really hard to categorize PAP's political leaning. On one hand, they are a right wing party. They eschew welfare and in previous years been privatizing state owned industries like telecom(Singtel), public transport and electricity. The desire to retain 337a plus the emphasis on family value shows they are still conservative when it comes to social issues.
On the other hand, it seems like they are a socialist/left wing party. HDB plus recent social programs like Medishield Life and Pioneer Generation package for the elderly signal a shift to the left. They also have no problem intervening in the private market like nationalising the public transport partially by buying the buses and mrt trains and leave the service providers to the free market.
Most Singaporeans voters are generally conservative. They have been socially conditioned by the PAP to be very conservative voters like fearing any form of welfare. They also don't desire much change or fear change as shown in the last GE. PAP is Singapore's natural ruling party.
Our is truly a unique form of democracy. And not necessarily a bad one. In fact it is good that the PAP does not restrict itself to either side of the spectrum. Doing so would encourage groupthink and discourage discussing or even implementing what is necessary simply because it does not comply with the parties stand (liberal or conservative)
DeleteVery good analysis guys. I would respond, but I am having too much fun bitchslapping James (see below). Thanks.
DeleteIs Alex really a scholar? I find it strange that his so called scholarship don't require him to be bonded to the Organisation that gave him his scholarship.
ReplyDelete@Alex, ur idea of "better managed" is to take in the skilled refugees and let poor countries hold the unskilled ones. Why can't Britain let in more of them to let them try to make it in life? I believe Britain can at least take in a few hundred thousands of them skilled or unskilled. Maybe landlords like you can give up some units to house them for a few years.
I think s'pore should be able to take in a few thousands of them. If not enuff money, a one off tax on people earning more than say 10k shld help abit.
I'm not attacking u personally, just ur elitist views and support for right wing economic policies. I know u have no control of Govt policies, but you mean to say if I have an elitist view, it is not fair for pple to criticise my elitist view just because I don't have control over Govt policies?? You support Tory's policies on economics and refugees even though u didn't vote for them. Anyway, people will vote the party that fits their view points and if enough people do so, their party will win and get to make decisions that will benefit them. So my argument is not moot.
James,
Delete1. I am not just any ordinary scholar but a triple scholar. My awarding organisation was British, not Singaporean. In fact, my scholarship came directly from my university - there was a scheme to help "deserving students" who have earned a place at the university but have trouble meeting the costly fees of an international student in the UK. My teacher at VJC was aware of the scheme and knew of other Singaporean students who have received that scholarship before - so he told me apply for that scholarship, told me how to fill in the forms etc and before you know it, I got a letter from the university informing me that I was awarded the scholarship. It is a no-brainer James. I'm sorry that you didn't have teachers who thought of such methods to get you a scholarship, though I doubt you had the grades to win such a scholarship anyway.
Oh you remind me of someone from one of those Singaporean forums years ago (that's why I blog and stay away from online forums) - he didn't like what I said, so instead of saying, "Alex with all due respect, I don't agree with you on this issue because etc etc" No, he just accused me of being a whore in Geylang who turned tricks for a living and that living in England was all a fantasy. And I'm like, great - that reflects more on you than me. In any case James, read my blog, I've been blogging for a pretty darn long time, there are over 1000 blog posts, I've had 7.8 million views on my blog and last year was ranked the 14th most popular blog in Singapore in a survey of most popular Singaporean bloggers (huh? I don't have a pink IC but flattered to be that high on the list). I have a Youtube channel, I run two companies, I have a pretty public persona - like my whole fucking life is out there for those of you who are curious enough (or boliao enough) to wanna find out. Go on, watch my entire Youtube channel - there are over 100 videos there. I've been working in the media for many years and have been on TV all over the world.
Now James, you keep a pretty darn low profile and I have no idea who you are - but when you have as high a profile as me, here's the thing: you can't lie. Because somebody is going to catch me out if I ever told a lie - say if I claimed that I was a high ranking officer in the Singapore army (which I was not), then someone who did NS with me would be able to tell you exactly what unit I was in and what rank I was because I did NS with them. I'm not an anonymous person making claims on the internet - I've got a pretty high public profile, like my whole fucking life is out there (kinda like a B-list celebrity, LOL) so I cannot make claims that are untrue. Unlike you James - you're still a fucking nobody, so you can say whatever you want and no one will be interested enough to bother verifying whatever you claim.
As for refugees, go ahead, wax lyrical about what the governments should do. At the end of the day, I have as much influence over the UK's government's stance on refugees as much as you have over the PAP's stance on the same issue.
If you are suggesting that I should do some more charity work, then that's a different issue for I already do plenty of charity work (bet you didn't know that - hahaha, but then again, you assume so much incorrectly I'm getting used to your salah bullshit). Do you want me to give you a long list of charity work I've done over the years? LOL. Listen I do charity work without expecting thanks or even recognition, I do it because I feel it is the right thing to do. As for what the government does with my taxes or what they do on the issue of refugees, I have zero influence. Talk is cheap buddy.
@Di I'm not saying don't let the skilled ones in but treat all of them equally e.g. First come first serve basis.
ReplyDeleteI don't have money but I do volunteer wrk about twice a month.
I disagree with u, I think the poor and disadvantaged should be given top priority over housing, education and most importantly jobs. If they are not up to it, train them. I'm sure they can do as well as the elites. For example, I got a degree in IT from UniSIM but I'm sure I can do as gd a job as those from top Unis like Cambridge, Harvard or MIT.
Canada is a big and wealthy country, it can easily accommodate at least a couple of million refugees and immigrants. What are you so worried about? If money is an issue, just raise the taxes on wealthy Canadians for a few years. Are you worried that ur Govt will raise you taxes so U'll have less money for ur fine wine?
Anyway I'm Glad that Canada has a left wing PM who is pro welfare and refugees and immigrants. Actually now that Canada has a pro welfare and refugee and immigrant government, I'm thinking of migrating there. I heard they need IT specialists there. I hope to sustain myself on welfare once I'm there until I can get a decent job.
ROFL. You have a degree in IT from UniSIM.
DeleteExcuse me, I have just fallen off my chair laughing. Ouch.
What went wrong James? Didn't get the A level grades you needed to get into NUS/NTU or any other respectable university?
I am glad you have such faith in yourself to believe that you can do as good a job as those from prestigious universities, unfortunately the gatekeepers who look at your CV do not agree with you. Trust me, I've been a gatekeeper as well and I'm the nasty evil elitist gatekeeper who would invite the Cambridge graduate in for an interview whilst writing you the email that reads, "Dear James, Thank you for your application but on this occasion, we don't feel that you are suitable for the post and it has already been filled by another applicant."
Oh and don't hold your breath when it comes to moving to Canada: they have a points based emigration system. You need to score at least 67 points in order to qualify. Now I don't know enough about you to do the test on your behalf but don't imagine that Justin Trudeau is gonna do you any special favours if you score less than 67 on this test. http://www.workpermit.com/canada/points_calculator.htm Go ahead, do the test James and tell us what you scored. I had a play around with it and predicted that you would probably score between 45 to 50 points (and that's already me being very generous with some of the assumptions I am making about you).
So yeah, be a good boy, go get more relevant work experience and then try again in the few years' time.
In the meantime, allow me to use a very Singaporean phrase for you: get out of my elite uncaring face.
James, you are silly enough to write, "I hope to sustain myself on welfare once I'm there until I can get a decent job." Don't you know the law in Canada? As a migrant, you are NOT entitled to recourse to public funds - that's reserved for Canadian citizens, not foreigners on a work permit. That's why there is a section on a Canadian points calculator called 'proof of funds'. The more money you have, the more points you score. And if you do not meet the minimum amount of C$10,168 or have arranged employment in Canada, then you will not be accepted as a migrant in Canada. Canada says no to you.
DeleteGeez, you do realize I'm doing your homework for you? If you are serious about moving to Canada, do your own bloody homework. But it is just too fun for me to resist, telling you the ugly truth, that Canada is not the socialist utopia that you imagine it is. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You can forget about moving to Canada.
Furthermore, it is ludicrous that you're waxing lyrical about what the Canadian government should do. James - you don't even have influence over what the Singaporean does, you wanna start lecturing the Canadians? Sorry mate, but I am gonna have to be the one to inform you that you're a fucking nobody with a shitty degree from a crap university and that you have no influence over anything in life. You can shout as much as you want about what the world should do on the internet - doesn't change the fact that you're a fucking nobody loser. Tsk tsk. I feel sorry for you.
DeleteHAHAHAHAHHA. "For example, I got a degree in IT from UniSIM but I'm sure I can do as gd a job as those from top Unis like Cambridge, Harvard or MIT. "
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
He probably has that, and also many other delusions.
"I'm not saying don't let the skilled ones in but treat all of them equally e.g. First come first serve basis. "
LOL why on earth would any sane person do that? A doctor/engineer vs someone who has had zero years of education? u mad bro? unless of course they have a surplus of doctors/engineers, which by the way Canada does not, and there is a need for unskilled labour. then perhaps they might take in the unskilled migrant. Either way, I think we're all glad you're not a politician.
"I hope to sustain myself on welfare once I'm there until I can get a decent job."
what a leech. exactly why i dont like unrestricted welfare. because people who dont deserve it get all kinds of handouts. you go to another country and you expect them to pay you till you can find a job? its no wonder the the right and far right are gaining popularity in almost every western country.
Ivanovich - this guy is a fantasist and a loser. He messed up his A levels and ended up with some crappy degree from a loser university that accepts people with shitty results. He wants to go live in Canada without having met the minimum requirements for skilled migrants and he expects Canadian tax payers like Di to pay his bills whilst he looks for a job - oh and he expects to be treated like a graduate from Harvard, Cambridge or MIT despite having proven himself to be a total idiot with a degree from a shitty university?
DeleteI say he's on drugs. That's why he's coming up with crazy shit like that . Hahahahahaha! He's nuts. He can wax lyrical all he wants - yet he hasn't taken a moment to check if Canada would actually accept him as a migrant (points based system, remember)? LOL.
Hey James, why did you even do a degree at SIM? Why didn't you write to Harvard, Cambridge and MIT and ask them for a scholarship since you think you're just as capable as those from these top universities? After all, you sure know how to argue your case - why didn't you tell them why they should not only offer you a place at their university and don't stop there, ask them for a scholarship too whilst you're at it. After all, it isn't fair that only smart people like me get all the scholarships. Heck, I had not one, not two but three as a student - but it's not too late, why not write to Oxford, Cambridge and all the Ivy league universities and ask them for scholarships? Like, did you even try writing to NUS to ask them for a scholarship? Why did you settle for SIM?
DeleteOoooh. Might that have something to do with good universities only accepting students with good results and rejecting bueh tak chek idiots with bad results?
What do you think?
(Readers, tell me when you think I've gone too far with James.) LOL.
James, I am going to assume you are young and ignorant, so I will explain very patiently to you. It is the middle class that pays most of the taxes and the rich that employs the middle class. Together we sustain the disadvantaged segments of society. However, if we are stretched to the limits, the house of cards will tumble and fall. I don't mind supporting the truly down and out. However, people like you who actually plan on being on welfare do not deserve my penny. That is, assuming you do managed to get yourself here based on your IT degree from UniSIM, a degree you declared to be equal to Cambridge and Harvard. You are delusional, by the way.
DeleteA first come first serve basis for accepting refugees? If only it were that simple. It is based on needs and resources. I would never adopt a special needs child because I just can't take care of that child no matter how rich I may be. I can't do him/her justice. Nations should not take in refugees by the boat loads in a short span of time without much careful considerations. It is not just about money. As for taxing the rich, you seem to have a sense of entitlement. Sure! Need a new bridge? Tax the rich. Need to get the nation out of a deficit? Tax the rich. Want to eradicate world hunger? Tax the rich. Penalize the rich. If you had studied economics, taxing the rich isn't the only answer to all money problems of a country. By the same token, taking in refugees by the boat loads without careful thought for sustainability isn't the answer to the refugee problem facing the globe.
Justin Trudeau may be left-wing, but he is not pro-welfare. That is, he is not going to hand out welfare to the likes of you once you get off the sampan you arrive in. First of all, I am quite certain we don't need IT people. Our colleges (not even universities) offer great IT programs. We don't need you. Also, before you even get here, you still need to show proof of funds for a long period of time. Welfare isn't much, by the way. You will be going to the food banks for hand outs.
I pay taxes accordingly, no matter what I feel about refugees and welfare. It is my duty as a citizen.
Instead of having a chip on your shoulder and expecting the rich to support you through welfare programs, focus on bettering yourself. We arrived in Canada with literally only two suitcases and barely enough money for pizza. Not once have we considered being on welfare. In fact, the determination to never depend on government handouts was what drove us to be who we are today. As long as we are able-bodied, we will work till we retire and pay taxes all the while. We raise our child to be socially responsible and high achieving so that one day he, too, will be a productive member of society who pays taxes, Being on welfare is not a goal we have set for him. You have already decided to leech on my tax money even before you arrive on your sampan. Great attitude, James.
I'd like to say, "Stay away from my country." However, I will let the system take care of you. May God slap some sense into you. I promised to be patient based on your apparent ignorance, but I am going to say it anyhow, You, young man, are an IDIOT! UniSIM has taught you squat. You should demand a refund on your tuition fee.
Alex, you have not gone far enough with James.
Hahahaha. I love it when Di Talasi goes into bitchslap mode. She's usually the kind motherly figure who offers love and common sense, but even our resident Mother Theresa has bitchslapped you James. That goes to show how you can irritate even the kindest and nicest of people. I'm just fucking evil, guilty as charged. I am so fucking evil - but Di Talasi is a saint and you have even made the saintly lady bitchslap you. Bwahahahaha.
DeleteAlex, I almost fell off my bed as I read what you read about me! You are too funny. Mother Teresa does and Di Talasi does not go together in one sentence. I must show my husband what you wrote. Thanks, Darling. Teehee!
DeleteLimpeh, perhaps you need to point him to what interviewers are looking for when it comes to job application and how useless his degree is when it comes to that. I can help provide insights on how the IT industry pick our candidates too as I had been on the other side as an interviewer too.
ReplyDeleteWell Weiping, this guy is not asking for help - he thinks he has the right to tell me what to do just because I write a blog and he has left a comment. Oh no, let's not stop there, he thinks he has the right to tell the various governments what to do when he can't even get into a half decent university. You can't help someone unless he is willing to accept help - I have only kindly pointed out how the points-based Canadian emigration system works because there is a certain amount of Schadenfreude when I tell him "hahahaha you can't get into Canada, Canada wants skilled migrants with money, not trash like you."
DeleteBut the fact that he dreams about moving to Canada (and living off benefits there) without even checking if he is eligible in the first place and how the process works means that he is so divorced from reality, I suspect that he has serious mental health issues. If you wanna do something - such as migrate to Canada, the logical first step would be to find out what Canada's rules are regarding migrants. But no, he starts lecturing us instead about what Canada ought to be doing and he thinks he can get in just because ... well, just because he said so. And that the Canadian tax payer should pay his bills whilst he looks for his ideal job. LOL.
As a gatekeeper, I would kindly direct him to Woodbridge hospital/IMH. He thinks he can tell everyone what to do, including governments all over the world when I bet he can't even get his mother to cook a certain dish for dinner. He is an unemployed bum with absolutely nothing in life - he has no money, no useful qualifications, no decent job and no future. Instead of improving himself, he goes into his fantasy world where he thinks he can tell anyone from presidents to prime ministers to bloggers like me what to do?
Perhaps I am doing him a favour by reminding him what a total loser he is, that way I can help snap him back to reality. LOL. The audacity of him, to tell me to give up one of my many houses in my property portfolio for refugees. I may be a rich man, I may be a blogger, but I am certainly not taking any advice from a retarded fucked up little shit from SIM. I take my financial advice from well educated, intelligent people, not the stupid ones.
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ReplyDeleteAlex, I don't think the personal attacks are necessary. I'm not telling what people should do but just stating my views. Like u stating ur views on ur blog.
ReplyDeleteYes I have no influence and position, does it mean normal people with no influence and position should not speak up and try to get their views heard?
As for Canada, it's just something I'm thinking about recently after I know Justin won the election. I'll look at the criteria in detail when I'm more certain. I'm not looking to leech on people. I don't think most people would want to be on welfare and get looked down on if they can work. I just hope to get by for the time being and get a skilled job in Canada and contribute to society thereafter.
I'm not showing off my volunteer wrk, just answering Di's question on what I've done to help people.
I'm not going to respond to ur personal attacks. You are so obsessed with grades and the University people went to. There are many people in Tech that went to not so good Unis and did well e.g. Whatsapp and Airbnb founder, just to state some example. Google has also moved away from just hiring people based on grades n Uni especially for technical roles. It means if you have the right technical skills and experience they will deem you as equivalent to a Ivy League grad who has the same skills etc.I think that shld be the way to go. You don't think so?
http://www.google.com.sg/about/careers/lifeatgoogle/hiringprocess/
I'm going to try applying for a job at Tech companies like Google and Apple. I think they may be less elitist and willing to give people like me a chance.
You seem to think SIM's qualifications are worthless but many of them are issued by good universities like University of London, RMIT and University of Warwick. Are the degrees issued by these universities worthless? Why do you think SIM grads are stupid, useless and have no future?
Most of ur responses to my posts are to put me down and to humiliate me. Won't it be better to just give ur views on comments raised by ur readers?
James, a few points for you.
Delete1. OK, I'll try to be nice if you promise to behave. Accusing me of lying of being a scholar was what tipped me over the edge. Like, why do I need to lie about stuff like that when it is so easy to be exposed as a liar? I am a former national champion gymnast in Singapore - now just track down anyone who did gymnastics in Singapore in the late 80s and early to mid 90s and verify that with them; you see? I can't get away with making up bullshit on the internet, especially when Singapore is such a small place. So why the hell would I lie? Heck, you could have claimed to be an MIT scholar, yet you were honest and confessed to have gone to SIM instead. You think you're the only one capable of being honest here?
2. As for me expressing my opinion - this piece actually doesn't really do that (let's go back to the original blog piece about left wing/right wing politics). I was explaining to my readers how that divide works in the UK, since some of my Singaporean readers are not familiar with it. I'm not telling my government or the German government etc what they ought to be doing. Heck, by that token, the key reason why I left Singapore was because I didn't like the PAP's style of government but I knew that as an individual citizen, I was powerless to change anything in Singapore - hence instead of trying to start a revolution, I quietly fucked off when the opportunity presented itself. I'm just being realistic here: whilst you're entitled to an opinion, we are all wondering who is gonna listen to you even if you shout it from the rooftops. What are you gonna do, start a revolution? You and who's army?
3. The whole point about speaking up is not about being heard per se, but you have to consider the reaction of your audience. Right now, you're just being mocked left, right and centre by my readers and myself. Did it not occur to you that there's something wrong with your message? Look, I am a blogger who has had 7.8 million hits on my blog and when I write, people read, people listen to what I have to say, people take me seriously: why don't they take you seriously? So it's not just about shouting what you have to say, in life, you have to consider how that message is going down with your audience and in this instance, people are reacting with scorn to what you have to say and calling you a madman or an idiot. Are we just being mean or does that have something to do with the way you presented yourself?
4. As for Canada, I'm doing you a favour by informing you about the points-based system: do the points calculator. It's been there for years. Such are the rules. For crying out aloud, you wanna dream about moving there, you have to know what the rules are. Such is life, you have to follow the rules young man. Justin Trudeau did NOT change the points-based system - nor has he signaled any intention to do so. The fact that you've not looked at the criteria in detail doesn't mean that it is a route open to you right now as you don't qualify. Well, not yet anyway - never say never, but you need to improve yourself before you can be considered skilled enough. Don't be lazy - do your homework, read up on the rules.
5. As for volunteer work/charitable contributions, I do what I do because I feel it is the right thing to do and I don't shout about it on my blog - so please don't assume anything about what I do with my wealth and don't start lecturing me about what I ought to do with it.
Part 2 coming up.
6. You wanna work for Google, why didn't you ask me? I worked for Google in 2014 on a contract for their 2014 European roadshow which took me to 3 cities: London, Paris and Hamburg. Yes the pay is amazing, yes they are awesome people to work for but you neglected to find out what they are looking for. Did they care what degree I have or what university I went to? Not really - but what they did do was to spend a lot of time and effort verifying whether I had the right set of skills to perform the complex tasks I was recruited for. It was not like, "oh we're gonna give you a chance because we're nice people and we'll teach you everything you need to know." There was a LONG list of things I needed to know and had I not ticked practically all the boxes on that list, they would have hired someone else who would have been able to tick one more box than me on that list. Competition was intense and somehow, I emerged as the most suitable candidate not because I was lucky or they were kind to me; but they were looking for the candidate who could best perform the job. They measured up all the candidates in terms of our skills and my language skills put me ahead of the next best candidate who was just as skilled as me, but wasn't fluent in French and German like me. Well, my French is totally fluent, my German isn't as good as my French but still pretty respectable (and that turned out to be pretty useful as the roadshow took us to France and Germany). These companies are not charities who are prepared to help people like you - they are profit making companies who still want to make sure they hire the best person for the job. Just because these companies are not elitist doesn't mean that they are not going to hire the best person for the job and give you a job based on what - charity? Like what planet are you living on?
DeleteAsk yourself this: if Google was recruiting and there were 100 applicants for the job including you, what is going to convince the gatekeeper that you should make it onto the shortlist of 10 candidates who get invited for an interview? If we put aside paper qualifications, what is it about you that will make you more special, more capable than at least 90% of the competition? Do you have the right skills and the same level of work experience as say a graduate from MIT? Do you speak several foreign languages fluently like me?
You see, that's the problem with you James. Same approach as moving to Canada: you wanna move to Canada, you don't bother finding out what the criteria for skilled migrants is. You wanna work for Google, you don't bother finding out how they recruit people to work for them. You live in the land of wishful thinking - you can ask questions and find out how the real world works, but no, you prefer to live in the land of wishful thinking, in a world of your fantasies. The rest of us live in the real world and one day, you'll realize that you live here too.
Part 3 coming up
7. Finally, why do I look down on SIM graduates? Simple. It's the entry requirement. Why are Oxford and Cambridge graduates so highly respected? It's because they only take the best of the best - even straight As cannot guarantee you a place at those elite universities, you have to excel in other areas of your life too! Whereas SIM takes in people like you with very poor grades. We call this process GIGO = Garbage in, Garbage out. It is an elitist way of saying you can't polish a turd. SIM are not magicians, they can try to take a student of poor calibre and try to teach them something over 3 years, but they cannot install intelligence. Not all humans are equal, that's the brutal truth - some are more intelligent than others and those smart ones usually end up in elite universities. So it doesn't matter who issues your degrees or sets your syllabus, the fact that SIM is a bottom feeder, hoovering up the students with the worst grades instead of straight As means that it is a GIGO institution. Like if you were so smart, why didn't you try to get into London, Warwick or RMIT in the first place? Why would you be rejected by them? I'm not speaking as someone who is elitist, but as a gatekeeper who would look at your degree and laugh at how crap it is. That is the brutal truth from a much older man who has been around for a long time in the working world. I may sound harsh and mean, but it's time someone did you a favour by telling you the truth.
DeleteThat's all for now.
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DeleteNeoplasm - there is no way for me (or indeed for you) to edit comments that have already been posted. Don't ask me, ask blogspot - that's just their system. The best you can do is to copy the comment, delete it, then paste it again as a new comment, edit whatever you are not happy with, then repost it, ok?
DeleteAs for intelligence, hardwork and skill - it is whatever it takes to get the job done at the end of the day. You can compensate for the lack of intelligence by simply working harder, but at some point you have to question yourself whether it is worth the effort. Those who are smarter often learn faster, get through tasks quicker and are seen to be more efficient: hence they make good employees. Those who are slow take longer to familiarize themselves with the tasks they are assigned, they keep making mistakes despite having done the same task over and over again and need more supervision and hand-holding. These people come across as far less efficient and not good employees to have. I remember managing a small team of 3 people: H, J and M. I trained them the same way, taught them how to do the same task - as it turned out, J was brilliant as he picked it up so quickly and was super efficient. M and H floundered, kept asking questions, kept making mistakes. In the end, the company sacked M and H to cut our losses - J was so efficient that we decided we didn't need to replace M and H. I shared some of the workload with J and offered him a bonus if he could do M and H's work: he actually outperformed even my wildest expectations. Now I know M and H - they don't strike me as particularly stupid people, cos if they were, I wouldn't have given them a chance in the first place! Yet somehow, they were such slow learners that the company ran out of patience and sacked them whilst J turned out to be super efficient. What made the difference? I think it is a combination of character traits + intelligence.
@jameshanata I think you are deluded into thinking that having skills and experience entitles you to emigrate to somewhere like Canada. Trust me I tried but after 10 years in IT industry i'm calling it quits.
ReplyDeleteYou'd have better luck working in some job where there is demand that can't be filled by local labour alone (health care) or a dirty job which locals don't want (blue collar welder or plumber). No other country is as liberal in giving out workpasses to white collar professional jobs like Singapore.
Hahahaha Choaniki, this idiot thinks he can work for Apple or Google. These are some of the top IT companies in the world and for every one post they advertise for, they get zillions of applicants of super high calibre. And what, James thinks that they will take pity on him, feel sorry for him and give him a chance? Bwahahaha. What planet is this fucker living on?
DeleteExcuse me whilst I fall off my chair laughing.
I don't mince words with people like James who have a sense of entitlement. James, the government is not your mom or dad who helps you out when you are out of cash due to your deliberate arrangement of life circumstance. You PLANNED on being on welfare like you said. Why should my tax money support you just because you arrived here without means? You are not a refugee from a war torn country. If you got yourself here, you support yourself, young man. Otherwise, stay in your own land. The welfare system is meant for people who find themselves in financial difficulties beyond their control. It is not for people who plan to use it like the bank of mom and pop. Yes, there are people who abuse the system. Trust me, people here do not look kindly on those who abuse social safety nets.
ReplyDeleteI suggest you stop looking at the elites and the government as deep pockets at your disposal. Start looking at yourself and ask how you can help yourself instead. "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." Words spoken by one of the world's ultimate elitist but beloved politician, JFK.
I tell you what pisses me off about James. He doesn't verify his facts: he reads one little piece of information and then makes these ridiculous, crazy assumptions which are totally untrue.
DeleteCanada elects a left-wing PM - oh so that means he can move to Canada and live on benefits whilst Canadian tax payers pay his bills? WRONG. FALSE. He would never make it to Canada because nobody has changed the rules yet about skilled migrants and he simply will not score enough points to make it.
Google and Apple are going to be less elitist and move away from focusing on grades and degrees in their hiring process. Does that mean that they will hire just about anyone no matter how unskilled they are? No! For crying out aloud, Limpeh, yours truly, has actually worked for Google. Why not come and ask me what the situation is? They are not some kind charity who's willing to give anyone a chance - you still have to prove yourself worthy of a job there if you wanna work there and competition is extremely stiff for top companies like Apple and Google. You think you can outperform the other smartest brains in the IT industry? What have you got to show for yourself? But no, James reads one piece of news and draws his own conclusions, based on some ludicrous assumptions. #facepalm - what planet are you living on James?
Oh and James thinks that he is just as capable as those from MIT, Harvard and Cambridge despite being from SIM. Hahahahaha. His opinion doesn't count - it is the opinion of evil gatekeepers like me who get to decide whether his CV ends up in the shredder or whether he gets invited for a job interview. Right now, I am shredding his CV and telling him that he is a worthless pile of dog shit. (And there's a big smile on my face as I do that. LOL) Fuck me, I am evil.
Let me join in.
DeleteSo you want to be an engineer/developer.
Do you have a past projects or sample code to show?
What open source projects are you participating in?
What kinds of VCS have you worked with?
Oh let me reply on behalf of James.
DeleteA1. He probably has some projects that he did whilst at SIM to show you. Not sure if you would be impressed though.
A2. Nothing at the moment. Even though there are loads of opportunities in Singapore such as hackathons, he expects the opportunities to come to him rather than hunt them down.
A3. Again, nothing. Ref: A2
Sorry if I offended you and ur readers. I would also like to thank you and ur readers for giving their frank views.
ReplyDeleteI'm really disappointed to read ur comments on SIM graduates. I hope ur views on them are not shared by other gatekeepers.
I wanted to leave S'pore because I feel the people and employers here have elitist views. I hope the society in Canada and Britain is less elitist. Therefore I hope to find skilled work in Britain or Canada based on my Degree issued by a good UK university although I studied studied for it in SIM.
James - don't be sorry about offending anyone, we are all adults here, we speak our minds, we are brutally honest and such is the nature of the exchanges here. I have just chatted with a fellow blogger of mine who keeps her exchanges on her blog a lot more cordial and moderated, but then again, such is the nature of her social media persona. As for my views of SIM grads, please await my next article. I am writing about it as we speak and I will tell you exactly why I feel the way I do. It's not going to be easy reading for you, you're not going to like what I say - but allow me as an older man who has been in the working world for an awfully long time to share some of my experience with you.
DeleteI shall explain why a degree issued by a good UK university (via the SIM route) is simply NOT the same as a degree from the university itself. But please if I may ask you to be patient, I am working on the article now. It may take a day or two. Thanks.
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DeleteWah piang ah, aiyoh. Indeed. But Neoplasm, see it from James' point of view lah.
DeleteHe has a degree from SIM - when he is up against graduates from NUS, NTU, RMIT, Cambridge, Harvard etc, he is going to be the first to get eliminated from the process. So that is why he is wishing that gatekeepers would not select on the basis of merit - but rather use some random system (like alphabetical order, first come first serve, eenie-meenie-miney-mo etc) so as he would have as much chance of getting the job as the scholar from UCL or Oxford. So of course, from his point of view, he wants to level the playing field. But what about the gatekeeper then?
The gatekeeper's neck - no, his balls - are on the line when he picks the wrong candidate. Trust me, I have been in that position before when I selected a candidate and the candidate made a big mistake. My boss then yelled at me and it was like, "what the fuck were you thinking Alex?! He's fucking useless!" Yeah, I can get it wrong as a gatekeeper and fucking hell, I do not want to fuck up as a gatekeeper, because it goes beyond getting yelled at by my boss - the company spends time, money and resources training up the person we finally recruit for the position and we need to make sure we don't waste that time, money and resources on the wrong person.
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