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Do you know how to deal with depression and suicidal thoughts in teenagers? |
This case also reminds me of the Ouyang Xiangyu case - the Singaporean scholar who tried to murder her lab mates at university. Once again, everyone blamed the education system, claiming that Ouyang was a victim of stress and that she had simply cracked under pressure. Well why didn't anyone blame her parents for not having given her the emotional tools to cope with the stress and the disappointment she faced at Stanford? I had gone through the same process when I went from VJC to a top university in the UK - in VJC, it was easy to be the best in my cohort, but once I got to university, I had to cope with the fact that I had to compete with the brightest brains from all over the world in my course. Whilst I was considered smart in VJC, I was but average amongst this group of extremely intelligent students at my university - I had to work a lot harder at university to stay on top. I was able to deal with that because I realized that I was going to have to join the working world soon and that my grades weren't everything: employers were going to look at the wider picture of what made me employable, rather than just my grades per se. Ironically, this was something I picked up from the scholarship application and interview process.
Now the problem with the Singaporean situation is that teachers, parents and students are obsessed with grades and nothing else. I find this immensely frustrating because I have been in the position of a gatekeeper before, I understand how HR works and for crying out aloud, we do not simply hand out the best jobs to the students with the best grades. Time for a reality check people! It doesn't work like that in the real world - yet Singaporeans seem to be under the impression that nothing else matters apart from their grades to the point where a teenager would kill herself over scoring two Bs at an exam. This is just how stupid the situation is and I don't blame the education system, I blame the parents who do not tell their children the important message, "your grades are not everything, employers look at the bigger picture to see what kind of person you are, if you are able to function well in the workplace, before granting you an interview." Like what the hell is wrong with these bloody stupid Singaporean parents - aren't they working adults as well? Surely they should be able to guide their children and help them understand why grades aren't everything?
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HR managers are looking at the whole package. |
Look, I was from one of the best secondary schools in Singapore (RI) as well as one of the best JCs - back then, my peers were all churning out very good results at all the exams. It is fascinating for me to be able to track down all my old classmates via Facebook to find out how well they have done after all these years. You'll be amazed - some of them have done incredibly well, others are just plain average and whilst some have not worked in years (they are either housewives or unemployed). Given the extremely wide range from multi-,millionaire CEO to unemployed bum, really, one's secondary school results are hardly an indication for one's success (or failure) in adult life. Let's remind our teenagers about that, but of course, Singaporean parents are so afraid that their children won't study hard enough, so they lie to them that if they do not get straight As, they are doomed for life. Well one teenager actually believed that her life was not worth living over two Bs - it is time we sent a different message to students in Singapore.
I also want to talk about something else related to the issue here - this was something that I had figured out myself the hard way with no help from my parents and I wish to share this with other young people out there who, like me, are probably not going to get any help from your parents in this regard. It is about coping with disappointment and failure when you do not get what you want in life - it is certainly easy to be confident when life is going well and you're achieving everything you set out to do, but what about when things do not go to plan? Parents have the responsibility to be there for their children to help them cope with disappointment, by helping them put the incident in perspective. I get so angry when I hear of Singaporean parents who beat their kids just because they don't do well in school - I would love to beat the crap out those parents up myself for being such shitty parents. The threat of violence doesn't make a student any smarter - you really need to deal with the root causes of why the child is not performing well at school.
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Why do some children perform better than others in school? |
The way to strike the balance is simple: offer approval and praise when the children do well, but withhold approval when the children could do better. When the children fail, be kind and offer support rather than threaten any kind of punishment. You see, many Singaporean children watch these Disney films and TV programmes where the parents are supportive and loving, where parents hug and comfort their children when they are disappointed. After watching those films, the child is going to think, "what's wrong with my parents? Why don't I deserve to be treated with kindness? What did I do to be treated so harshly by my parents? Why are other kids treated with kindness but I am not?" The explanation I was given was that we were simply a Chinese family - that caused me to really hate my culture for many years and I still really resent the way my parents used our ethnicity and culture as an excuse for their shortcomings. So when I found out through a DNA test that I was actually mixed, imagine the joy I felt when I could finally free myself of the label 'Chinese' which caused me so much misery in my childhood.
My parents had one piece of advice for me when it came to disappointment: if you don't even try, you won't be disappointed. So when I did all these gymnastics competitions, they were afraid that I would lose and be very disappointed - since they were clueless about comforting their children, they decided to instead tell me that I should just do sports to stay healthy but not take part in competitions, hence I would be spared the disappointment of losing. They applied the same logic when it came to applying for scholarships - thank goodness I had been so rebellious as a teenager I ignored them all the way. I'm afraid I can't quite say the same about my older siblings who weren't rebellious like me and my parents had damaged them far more than they damaged me. One of my readers has actually offered a very good theory as to why my parents were so averse to any kind of disappointment: there are settlers and maximizers - this is a social theory that is very well explained here. In short, I was a maximizer whilst they were settlers, we were never going to see eye to eye from the start and it is sad that defying them to do things my way led to so much animosity - but I had little choice and I certainly don't regret doing things my way to get what I wanted.
However, one thing that bothers me about the TNP article is that it suggests that the only people who can help suicidal teenagers are the professionals - why are we letting bad parents off the hook? I find this so frustrating because somebody just needs to tell these Asian parents to their faces, "your parenting methods are really shit, you are damaging your child, change your ways before you drive your child to suicide." If a child is well adjusted and brought up in a loving environment, then s/he wouldn't need professional help. I find it alarming that the journalist Maureen Koh does not feel the need to warn parents to change their ways or risk damaging their children. Look, you would not mess up your child's nutrition so badly that your children would end up in hospital seeking professional medical help - so why would it be okay for parents to mess up their children emotionally to the point where they need professional help to stop them from killing themselves? We must hold bad parents to account once and for all and stop allowing them to use stupid excuses like, "oh this is our Asian culture" to get away with horrible parenting.
I think I had better end here, this is a very emotional topic for me and I don't want to write anything too angry (which I will then have to edit later). Instead, I'd love to hear from you to see what you think about the issue. How can we help vulnerable teenagers cope with disappointment? What have your experiences been? Many thanks for reading.
As hard as I push my son, I emphasize the lessons learned when he doesn't do well. That is why sports is very important. Kids learn to deal with failure and success and know that there is always a next match. In this story, I blame the mother. What was wrong with 2 Bs? Not wrong enough to take lives, that's for sure. Besides, you can redo the O levels again.
ReplyDeleteOh Di, there is so little correlation between one's results and one's success in adult life. I studied at the best schools in Singapore and sure, those classmates of mine were experts in churning out straight As throughout their time at those schools - but not all of them became successful in their adult life and I can clearly see why and how some people excelled in their adult lives whilst others crumbled into mediocrity. Why are they so obsessed with grades - why can't they see the bigger picture? And come on, two Bs? I shudder to think what that mother had put her daughter through to make her think it was worth killing herself over two Bs.
DeleteThe whole story just makes me sick to the stomach. Singaporean kids are so screwed if this is the system they have to put up with.
Good study habits and study skills as well as worldliness are more important for sure. Also, sports and music or fine arts balances the child and makes him whole. You want to instil good work ethics and interpersonal skills so the child can actually speak and operate in the world. As much as I joke around about being a Tiger Mom, I am aware it's not the grades but the effort that matters. At the same time, I despise the parents who celebrate mediocrity when their child is capable of much more. It's not easy being a parent, but suicide over 2 Bs? !
DeleteI have always wondered if it was due to a lack of self-esteem on the mother's part that led to her micromanaging her child to this extent. Such mums claim to want 'what's best for the child', but in reality they just see their child as an extension of themselves, rather than individuals with own their aspirations and feelings. It's like they see in their child...some kind of second chance at life..
ReplyDeleteAnd this is why I can never be a parent.
DeleteI am afraid that I would be so disappointed by the child that I may become a monster like this woman who killed herself.
On one hand, I think children should not be obsessed with grades and should all have a good childhood. On the other hand, I achieved so much before the age of 18 through sports and I excelled at my studies, so I can get very intolerant of children who just wanna be kids and wanna waste time doing stupid shit like play computer games.
Nah, I'll never be a parent. My miserable childhood has put me off the idea of ever being a parent by the time I was like 12.
Oh, Alex! The agony and the joys of parenthood are exhausting! You made the right choice.
DeleteI think I am a bit of a control freak - I like to control aspects of my life so as to have the desired outcome. That comes from being involved in gymnastics for so many years - you want to make sure every single aspect of that skills comes together perfectly until it looks so right and you can land it perfectly. But when you are in charge of another human being... you surrender so much control.
DeleteYes. You plan and plan, but the offspring have ideas of their own. How dare they! The ingratiate! Lol.
DeleteHere's the thing Di - when I do something stupid, I get mad at myself but as long as I am the one who made the stupid mistake, I feel I am in control of the situation as all I have to do is fix myself then I would be able to cope a lot better with the same kind of situation in the future. But through gymnastics coaching, I've been extremely frustrated at the way I can't fix my students - I can explain till I am blue in the face, try every single technical drill in the book, demonstrate the skill a hundred times but I still can't get them to do it and that frustrates the hell out of me. It's easy to walk away from a gymnastics student and just shrug my shoulders and say, "oh well, looks like she can't do this skill..." but if it is your own child, would you be able to shrug your shoulders as easily?
DeleteNo, you can't. You are more emotionally invested when it is your own child. That is why I have stopped watching my son during his tennis tournaments. I sit far away. If I have to sit in clear view, I bring my work or a book to read. It doesn't help him if I am clenching my jaws at his every move. When he is done. he will either shake his head at me (Mama, I lost) or nod his head at me (Mama, I won!). Then we quietly get into the car, go for lunch or a snack, and then talk about what he did right or wrong. I let him chill in the car until he is ready to talk. Sometimes, though, when he wins a medal, obviously I would know there and then as there will be picture-taking, etc. Most of the time, I just drive him and try not to make comments until he is ready to debrief. It is a tough job.
DeletePerhaps the belief in grades by parents are set by the educational policies in place. Scholarships and awards, higher starting pay for higher grades, rampant tuition etc... So its not entirely the parents fault.
ReplyDeleteI'm also wondering the dna test if they are scientifically valid. What measurement did they determine the percentages, can race even be quantitatively measured? What I know is that humans originated from Africa, so is no surprising if you have some African or European 'genes' along the migration route.
A few points for you John.
Delete1. 你有所不知 My parents were primary school teachers (now retired) so they were soooo guilty of giving me the impression that I would literally die if I didn't score well for every single little test at school and that's why I am particularly resentful of any Singaporean parent with that kind of attitude. The problem was that my parents had never ever worked anywhere else but in a primary school, so they have no clue what it takes to get a job in the big bad world. I came across something my friend shared on facebook today, "another day passed and I didn't use algebra... again!"
2. I blogged extensively about the DNA test when I took it and the links are here:
http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/my-dna-analysis-results-are-in.html
http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/im-black-im-white-im-asian-am-i-panda.html
http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/158-angmoh-just-spoke-to-my-parents.html
Look, I don't give a damn what you think about the scientific validity of the test - someone took a swab of my DNA and sent it off to a university to test and I got the results. It's not like I suddenly grew blonde hair and my eyes turned bright blue the moment I found out about my European ancestry: look, I have two grandparents who were 'adopted' - one was sold as a child bride and the other one was sold to a rich family as a boy servant at a very young age. I cannot trace the ancestry for those two grandparents so I have two big question marks when I tried to trace my ancestry beyond my grandparents.
I am still me - I am still the guy who grew up in Ang Mo Kio and did all the things I did, my DNA test results doesn't define me but my accomplishments, my thoughts, my ideas, my experiences define my identity. This was something I talked about extensively here:
http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/my-thoughts-on-rachel-dolezal-story.html
What the DNA test did was made me research my ancestry for the first time in my life - I never took any interest in my ancestry until I took that test.
And furthermore, I don't think the outcome of the test was as important as my reaction to it: I could have just treated it as a bit of fun and laughed it off - but I took the opportunity to take that label Chinese and threw it away and I did that primarily to piss my parents off. That's right, I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid if I turned out to be slightly mixed but it gave me great pleasure to piss my parents off by telling them that I don't want to be described as Chinese ever again, just to remind them that I have rejected the culture they had tried to impose upon me.
I don't think you can appreciate just how utterly and totally fucked up my relationship with my parents is - and this are the kind of passive-aggressive bitch tactics I come up with to upset them without being overtly confrontational. I don't talk about what crap parents they were back in the 1980s, but I can upset them by taking their culture and saying, "I reject it - I'm officially Eurasian now, so what are you gonna do about it?"
This has always been about pissing off my parents. The actual number on a sheet of paper about what percentage makes up my DNA is at the end of the day, just a bunch of numbers on a computer screen.
Now do you get it John?
Hi Alex, nice to be back after some work travels. I am afraid that this double suicide tragedy can be distilled down to generation gap and a very typical Singaporean blind spot when it comes to personal responsibility. My two folks were typically what you described - they felt that the educational system was such a pressure cooker that parents and students simply had to do well. I argued that in this case, it was obvious the child's mum had pushed her daughter over the edge, so shouldn't she bear the biggest blame? My father simply in all his authority decided that nope, her mum wasn't to blame, she was simply being cruel to be kind to the child in later years. Since she had literally jumped to death as atonement, all blame should be absolved. And mum simply nodded. You will be amazed at the sort of "logic" they could apply and I really was at total loss.
ReplyDeleteYou see, this is the classic way of responding by the Singaporean mass. Anything that goes wrong, escalate to the government, instead of resolving problem as an adult. Example I glimpse in yesterday's papers - overbilled for subsidised nursing home, write to prime minister office and ministry of health, not trash it out with the nursing home; child had been involved actively in school outdoor activities but had much less interest in curricular work, father wrote to MOE to regulate school ECA requirement; passenger hopped into taxi, discovered that it charged higher rates as it was a premium taxi, complained to LTA that it should regulate prices. In all cases, I can see that the default is to refer it to higher authority, not behave like an adult. Couldn't the complainant had worked things out with the nursing home finance department to clarify charges? Should the father not have talked to his son more about balancing school work and after school activities? Why push the responsibility to the ministry? Why demand for LTA to regulate taxi prices and then turn around and blame that overregulation killed competition and lack of options? The common blind spot here is nobody ever seemed to realise that we are no longer children, that as adults, some times you have got to confront the problem as an adult, not go running to teacher like a school kid. So in similar fashion, my folks think that MOE should answer for setting up such a pressure cooker system but they don't question that the mother of the girl who jumped to her death, did not do a good job of teaching her daughter coping skills and offering support when she fell.
Sorry, for ranting, I get so frustrated that my own folks have such a huge blind spot and lack of awareness.
Hi Shane. Yes this is why I am so frustrated at Singaporeans who blame the system instead of blaming the mindset of Singaporeans. Good grief. The system is what it is, you can't expect the government to move mountains for you - but you are in full control over the relationship you have with your child(ren) and all I can say is that I am so glad my sister is a much better mother. It is my mother who keeps nagging my sister to push my nephew harder but thankfully my sister knows when to tell my mum to back off and let the boy take it easy.
DeleteThe idea that grades are everything in life is a very mistaken idea. Nowadays, even having a degree or PhD does not guarantee success financially. In addition, students get into debt so as to secure the chance of finishing a degree, and by the time that they graduate with a Bachelor's or Master's, they have over 50,000dollars worth of debt which takes a decade to clear off. I know a friend who went back to Singapore with a load of debt from his Australian university studies, and by the time he cleared that debt, he was onto new debt in terms of the housing loan debt. When I asked him how he saves, he said that he does not save much, and just spends as it is for the sake of eating and living!
ReplyDeleteThe whole of society in Singapore needs a paradigm shift in the way it looks at grades. Teachers are often forced to monitor students' grades, and while grades are important for promotion onto the next level of schooling, they are not everything in the development of the personality. I know enough of students (based on my former schooling experiences back in Singapore) who just focus only on grades and have not learned the principles of being kind to oneself and one another, and the competition causes enmity and alienation among people when they do not need to do so. The next thing that parents and sometimes students also do is to blame the teacher, when the teacher might be in fact doing his or her work already, but the issue has to do more with the student's ability. It is just a vicious cycle that consumes itself.
Well unfotunately this is not really the case in SG. To get a PSC scholarship, one must be an "all-in-one package" kind of person. Consistent As from young, been a leader in school and good leadership qualities, care for society and all that. This can be particularly be very important for those who long to enter the civil service, etc, as a dipolmat as it is seen as a "fast-track" up the ladder.
ReplyDeleteYou need to change your mindset Dakota - even if some people in the Singaporean system are going to judge you for getting a B grade for a subject at O levels, then you have to open your eyes and realize - it's a very, very big world out there and not everyone is like that. Not everyone in Singapore is like that and certainly you cannot and should not be so rigid in your view of the world. You live by the rules in Singapore, you die by the rules of Singapore (and in this case, two people died).
DeleteSo instead of defending the system, why not listen to what I have to say? I am clearly intelligent, a triple scholar and could have stayed in Singapore for a career in Singapore, yet I turned my back on the system to seek a different, better future abroad because I didn't like the kind of Singaporean culture (that you have describe so succinctly in one paragraph).
Going to graduate school at a top university like Stanford is a very stressful experience that is very hard to prepare for - a lot of phd students do experience some kind of mental problems at one point or another in their course. And ASTAR is infamous for placing lots and lots of pressure on their scholars to perform well and to graduate within a short time period. She *presumably* performed very well during her undergrad at Imperial College to be able to do a PhD at Stanford, so I think it's quite unfair for you to equate your time at UCL to her experience at Stanford...
ReplyDeleteIf anything, I think people should be asking why Universities are not providing enough mental support to graduate students - research is a very lonely and stressful process, especially in the States where you really don't know when you will graduate
Asdf, I must point out to you that you're wrong when you said that it was unfair of me to make that comparison (UCL vs Stanford) - because that is simply not how stress works. It doesn't mean that just because the challenge is greater that you will automatically be more stressed - it boils down to a case by case basis of an individual being able to handle the situation that s/he is in. At the 2012 Olympics, I have met athletes who were totally cool, relaxed and having fun when really, being at the Olympics with the possibility of winning a gold medal is probably one of the most stressful situations that I can think of, They are well prepared not just physically but mentally - they are able to cope with the outcome even if they don't win and perhaps they know they have a supportive network of friends and family who will love them and be supportive of them no matter what the outcome is. On the other hand, a primary 6 student can be extremely stressed out about his PSLE exams if he is simply not prepared to face the challenge of taking those exams - he may not feel confident of getting the results he wants and he may not have a supportive network of friends & family who will be there for him if he does badly. Maybe he has parents who have threatened him with brutal punishments should he score badly at the PSLE - all that can create a situation where a 12 year old kid can be extremely stressed, even more stressed than an athlete at the Olympics trying to win a gold medal.
DeleteSo it is wrong of you to assume that going to graduate school at a top university like Stanford is going to be very stressful - again, it all depends on the individual and his/her circumstances. Yes I was stressed but I coped by seeing the big picture. Whilst I don't doubt that AStar may be placed some pressure on Ouyang to do well at Stanford, some people are a lot better than others at coping with such situations and not all phD students crack under pressure.
The fact is some people have much better coping mechanisms than others, some people flourish under pressure whilst others crack under pressure. You can't just expect the university to hold everyone's hand just because of the possibility of stress - it is up to the individual to learn the vital skills to cope with stressful situations. Cos if you can't even get through university, heck what are you gonna do when you get out into the big bad working world with a nasty boss shouting at you to meet those deadlines?
I think that Ouyang Xiangyu's actions need to be weighed in the light of the (mainland) Chinese attitude towards education and academic excellence, as well as the 'at all costs' (even someone else's expense) mindset that pervades in China. There were quite a number of cases of student poisonings and murders done in various states or provinces over the last few years in China, some allegedly over jealousy, some over alleged "jokes" (when something more sinister like rivalry and intense competition lurk beneath the surface). It cannot be seen as 'Singaporean' or 'Asian' in any sense per se. An example or two is written about below at:
Deletehttp://www.ibtimes.com/chinese-graduate-student-may-have-been-poisoned-roommate-phd-slot-1196095
As much as it is unfair to claim that all Chinese are like that, the absence of a clear sense of academic honesty and plagiarism (and what constitutes correct exam-taking ethics, with some Chinese students paying others to take exams for them or write their university application statements) mean that some of these students are capable of rather disturbingly wrong actions which we would either prosecute legally or take action against when discovered.
Hi, can I ask for your permission to reproduce this post on our education portal http://www.domainofexperts.com? Explicit mention shall be made of the fact it first appeared on your site, and we shall cite LIFT as the author. Hope to hear from you again :)
ReplyDeleteOf course, please do so. I am glad you like my writing. I have blogged a lot on the issue of tuition in Singapore too BTW.
DeleteThanks.
Hi, thank you for granting permission. Is it all right if I reproduce various articles of yours with full author credits and mention they first appeared on your site in the future? If you prefer for us to consult you on a post by post basis we would be most happy to. Happy National Day! :)
DeleteYes please do consult me on a post by post basis. I have written so many posts over the years and it's a bit hard for me to keep track sometimes.
DeleteLimpeh, I think this letter from a headteacher of a primary school in the uk sums up everything that is lacking in Singapore.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/bbcnews/photos/a.10150618575207217.382392.228735667216/10152163733182217/?type=1&theater
Based on my various years of working in the private sector (and not the civil sector where it's more insulated) i can safely say that grades and education certificates mean nothing, nada, zilch. I know an NUS graduate who was jumping from 1 contract job to another and i doubt he is very highly paid. I know another who jumped from being an engineer to sales at a bank. He later went on to head a new branch office in HK and was headhunted a few times. Last i heard he was a director at Thompson Reuters. So he is doing very well it seems.
ReplyDeleteRather than this made focus on grades or IQ, i would say EQ or emotional quotient, is a more important measure on success in one's life. This is not something that can be taught in school and it is also usually not graded in any exam. EQ consist of 2 components: intra-personal and interpersonal intelligence. You need to know yourself and your strengths and weaknesses and you also need to know how to understand and interact which others lest you end up as another Amos Yee.
But with Asian parents' mad focus on book smarts and grades this is still a long time coming for Singaporeans. So many of the current generations kids would be sorely disappointed after graduation when they find out that it is almost impossible to find a job and also progress in current day's private sector.
I think you've hit the nail on the head my friend. There needs to be a paradigm shift in the way Singaporean society redefines their relationship with grades & paper qualifications, but I'm afraid Singaporeans are not particularly good at asking questions about 'the system'. Many simply assume, "well this was the case when I grew up so I assume that my children will have to do the same thing." This baffles me because surely many of these parents are already working adults and should understand what it takes to find a job in the working world, no?
DeleteThe shocking thing about Singapore, which i don't think makes for a good society in the long run, is that somewhere around 60% of the workforce works for the government. Could be in a statutory board, GLC, military or even as a teacher. And like i've mentioned in my previous post, the public sector, heck even the admin service is very insular and hire and fire based on academic grades alone.
DeleteChoaniki --- there are so many qualities parents and teachers should instil in children --- fortitude, prudence, temperance, justice, global citizenship, .. and many more. We want children to be compassionate yet competitive. Risk-riskers yet prudent. We want them to be balanced and to be all they can be. Unfortunately, too many parents focus solely on academic grades. If only parenting was that singularly goal-focused. It is not. Parenting is HARD!
Delete60% of the workforce....sounds like a rather oblique but accurate reflection of the percentage that would vote for the PAP no matter what too.......
DeleteThe Jennifer Pan case in Canada is another case showing the terrible consequences that overbearing parents may inadvertently bring on themselves. As the father of a young boy myself I know that some things are easier said than done, but it is probably to err on the side of caution when it comes to pushing your kid to excel. Better to let him find out what he is passionate about and let the passion dictate how far he wants to push himself.
ReplyDeleteThanks for brining the Jennifer Pan case to my attention - I read it with great interest.
DeleteChinese tiger mums are quite scary! I think that I was lucky my mother never forced me and my sisters to get all A's in our subjects because it was simply impossible with us!
DeleteKevin, my son would agree with you. Haha! However, he is comparing me to his classmates whose parents praise their kids when they get a C on a test and are out celebrating when they get a B. Compared to these parents, I am a scary Chinese Tiger Mother. I laugh when he complains because he doesn't know how much more "tiger mom" I could be. Most importantly, though, he knows he is loved no matter what, and he can come to me for all types of support --- studies or personal.
DeleteI agree with your post. As a university student in Singapore my peers can't come to terms with my views on life - that all of us should stop driving each other down the crazy route of constantly studying. It's absolutely ridiculous when people would say that and end up being the ones who study the hardest.
ReplyDeleteI find many people in university to be plain exam taking machines; they aren't even that close to being intelligent. Of course I'm not saying myself to be more intelligent that them - at least they have the discipline to study their hearts out.
Sometimes it takes exposure to a non-Asian culture (and a willingness to adapt to that culture) to see what the world has to offer. This is something that I believe most people aren't willing to explore.
After being overseas in exchange, I've seen so many flaws in the Singaporean system that I don't see how I can fit in anymore. I do admire you to take a different path from the rest of the scholars out there.
Hi Daisy, I am currently working on a follow up post to deal with many of the questions raised by this case (as well as the Jennifer Pan case - google her). The fact is nobody is going to pay you to study for exams and take exams - once you're done with your education, it's the big bad working world for you and the tasks you do in the working world are going to be so, so very different from studying like a student, so there's only so much you can prove by studying your heart out. As a gatekeeper, I'll look like someone can probably say NO because I worry that they will not be able to adapt themselves effectively to the working environment if they have not proven themselves at all - let another employer teach them these basic skills and they can come back to me once they have had a few years of work experience in the real world.
DeleteAnd if you wish to seek different paths for green pastures abroad (or in Singapore), then look out for my next article.
I agree with your post. As a university student in Singapore my peers can't come to terms with my views on life - that all of us should stop driving each other down the crazy route of constantly studying. It's absolutely ridiculous when people would say that and end up being the ones who study the hardest.
ReplyDeleteI find many people in university to be plain exam taking machines; they aren't even that close to being intelligent. Of course I'm not saying myself to be more intelligent that them - at least they have the discipline to study their hearts out.
Sometimes it takes exposure to a non-Asian culture (and a willingness to adapt to that culture) to see what the world has to offer. This is something that I believe most people aren't willing to explore.
After being overseas in exchange, I've seen so many flaws in the Singaporean system that I don't see how I can fit in anymore. I do admire you to take a different path from the rest of the scholars out there.
Found the article below which can strengthen your article.
ReplyDeleteIt is about a Japanese who have a cultural shock when she came to Singapore on how Singapore society view workers and look down on them.
It is about parents forcing certain values on their children.
http://www.fivestarsandamoon.com/if-you-dont-study-hard-you-will-be-cutting-grass-like-this-man-here/
Kelvin --- my nasty experience was with a language school in Vancouver whose clientele was mostly Japanese youth wanting to learn English. I applied to teach at the school, and while my credentials were more than adequate, the interviewer said their clientele wanted young white teachers He said the parents of these kids paid a lot of money, and they expect to be taught English by "real Canadians". Obviously, being a visible minority did not make me a "real Canadian". I looked around the school, and sure enough, all the teachers were white young teachers in their 20s. They looked straight out of university with little experience. They turned me down because I was not in my 20s (I was in my 30s), and certainly not white. Luckily, I was only looking for a transitional job. I am now in the public system with a pension plan and an environment that respects all ethnic groups and value experience in their staff. My friends in language schools like the one confirmed that these students and parents prefer white teachers. That is so misguided as I can assure you my command of the language is far superior to these teachers who do not know the difference between your're and your!
ReplyDeleteAs for the lack of respect for certain professions amongst Singaporeans --- they should know that many blue-collared workers make more money than teachers. Plumbers, construction workers, electricians, truck drivers, etc. all make more money than a teacher in Canada.
It is largely an unfair world out there. I know a "professor" in a South Korean college who only has a MA in TESOL and got his position simply because he is an American, and there, he is in Korea for the last 13 years and more by virtue of him being white, while people like me who are more than qualified to teach English are pushed to the side simply because I am not white. That said, it is a rather racist and socially biased move. South Koreans are not that much different from Singaporeans, because they operate on looks as a basis for assessing someone, and if you do not "look the part", they also do not want to employ you. That is also another reason why Korean parents, much like Singaporean parents, tend to highly stigmatize subjects such as the creative arts, literature, history and etc. which they see to be "useless".
DeleteI think that in the west, blue-collared workers work very hard but they also earn a lot more money than white-collared workers such as teachers. My best friend in Canada runs his own construction business, and seriously, his pay is a few times that of a contracted professor's. (I am not even talking about professors who have been on tenure for years at all.) There are certain jobs which Singaporeans are taught to see as 'useless' again, but which actually have a lot of social value such as the trained clown who is to entertain sick patients in the hospital, especially those suffering from terminal illnesses. How is that useless when it makes someone else's life better in quality? This is because Singaporeans have been taught to be materialistic and to judge people by the profession and amount of money made. Seriously very shameful.
The thing that my mother has taught me since young was this "行行出状元" (out of every profession and job comes a 'scholar'). It is certainly not what the majority of Singaporeans have been taught since young, because just as we talked about it last time, the teachers in school want you to talk about your parents' job(s) and that provides other students with opportunities for commenting on and critiqueing their classmates' parents. The real irony of that article about the manager being the most coveted job among Singaporeans is this: in this day and age when jobs are vulnerable to being bled in the workplace, the managerial position is in fact one of the most vulnerable ones especially in Singapore because of the age of the manager (he or she would probably be in his or her late 30's and 40's by then, and a subject of ageism), and also, the wages (it is preferable for the upper management to hire cheaper foreign workers and pay them at a fraction of what they would pay the local Singaporean). Irony of ironies!
DeleteI meant you're and your!
DeleteDi, I agree with that point of yours anyway. Most white "native speakers" cannot even distinguish between either "you're" and "your" in any way! In turn, they pass these mistakes down to those who insist on employing them LOL.....
DeleteI read the article Kelvin mentioned and was not convinced that the writer experienced that much cultural shock in the way Singaporeans treated certain workers. I think the Japanese are just a lot more polite in general. It's in their culture to smile and nod and bow and not say what's really on their minds.
ReplyDeleteAnd in sharp contrast, Singaporeans are not polite like the Japanese...
DeleteI heard that some Singaporean bosses think that they are allowed to shout and scream and humiliate employees publicly, just by virtue of their position. A friend of mine used to work in a statutory board, something related to transportation (hint, hint, hint...hahaha), and his superiors would resort to this move of scolding someone in front of EVERYONE ELSE, to gain some form of psychotic pleasure from it. With that kind of treatment of subordinates, it is not surprising that people would leave early into the job once they find a better office where they are treated with respect.
DeleteBased on my experience having worked with the Japanese, while I believe that it is not always fair or above the table to not say what is on your mind, the Japanese --Yamato Japanese, I mean--tend not to engage in such "dirty" tricks like humiliating or shouting at others loudly with or without a reason to show off power. It is largely cultural, but also, because they have been taught since young that if you say something in the way of "No" or "I cannot....", it sounds "rude" to the person hearing it. This is largely different from the Koreans, another culture compared to the Japanese very regularly, who always tend to say things off the top of their mind, such as "I do not trust you" if they really do not trust you.
Hi, I came across your blog recently, and I found your posts rather interesting.
ReplyDeleteIt's a pity that a lot of Singaporean parents associate potential success with good grades. Sure, good grades open up more doors, but that's only how far they can bring you. Some Singaporean parents don't understand that. They push their children so hard that they forget to realise that some children may not be mature enough to handle such pressures. Some even quite enjoy the attention that they get when others praise their children on their good academic performances in school. Worse still, some would, in an attempt to be humble, brush off those praises in front of their children/put down their children in front of others - completely disregarding how their children might feel. I can only imagine this to be extremely discouraging.
Hi GL thanks for your comment, I am glad you like my writing.
DeleteDon't get me started on just how awful Singaporean parenting is - I think it is absolutely terrible... check out my follow up post on this topic.
I have observed that S'pore journalists include one's occupation when reporting a story. I think this further instill in parents and their offsprings to chase the distinguish occupations at all cost.
ReplyDeleteIn many cases the occupations are irrelevant. Why does it need to be included?
I beg to differ. Most occupation nowadays need at least an O Level and above.
DeleteI am sure most of the candidates that Alex interview during his gatekeepers' time are those who are at least a degree holder and above for entry level jobs. But i will be different for those jobs that require at least 5 years and above experience.
Unless we change the system, we will always see incidence like the above and the link that I posted above happen.
The one of the many jobs that do not require at least an O Level cert are waiter, dishwasher, laborer, maid, and many other unskilled works.
Kelvin, you seem totally confused here.
DeleteKaypoh was talking about why Singaporean journalists find it necessary to mention the occupation of the person featured in a news story, even if it is not relevant to the story. What has this got to do with the level of education needed for each occupation? I fail to see how you can make a connection between the point Kaypoh was making and what you're driving at ... did you misread Kaypoh's comment?
In any case, as a gatekeeper, I'm not fussed about paper qualifications - I take a look at their CVs just to make sure that they're educated and have had relevant work experience and if they will be personally tested by me to double check that they have the right skills. I am a very thorough gatekeeper.
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ReplyDeleteI deleted this comment because I double send the same comment (Singlish?)
DeleteHi LIFT. Great post and insightful comments. I concur with your points about the mum's 'tiger parenting' style that backfired and that parents tend to go overboard, micromanaging their kids and nitpicking even the smallest tests. Other factors include perfectionism and highly sensitive person (http://hsperson.com/test/highly-sensitive-test/).
ReplyDeleteI'm sympathethic towards the girl's situation because she seems like an introverted, shy and timid person, judging from how well behaved she is and refusal to rebel against her parents. Her ambition was to become a doctor, which unfortunately requires straight As.
Now if she were assertive and extroverted, her career choices would be broader, including occupations that don't need academic perfection but can make you a killing. Last time I checked, NUS and SMU business courses DO NOT require straight As.
Do exam grades matter? I shall expound a balanced argument.
If you're Lord Alan Sugar or Sir Richard Branson, you can fail and drop out of school and turn out a billionaire. Yes, one of my best friends became a millionaire at the age of 28 because he was top in real estate despite lacking a degree, you should see that Ferrari he drives. Another became a musician and entrepreneur. They thrive in such careers because of their flamboyant personality and salesmanship.
However, for people who are reserved AND bookish, exam grades and intellect are everything. They will be choosing a career that relies on intellect alone (eg. research, academia, medicine). Most of them won't end up in sales or consulting roles in the business world where you need skills like influence and charisma. They might end up as a quant or IT person in a large bank even (which hire from top PhD programs which require 1st class degrees).
Without the grades, how many options do they have left?
Hi LiFT (sorry, I do not know your name),
ReplyDeleteYou are absolutely right.