Friday 27 March 2015

The herd mentality of Singaporeans: conform or die

OK here comes to follow up to my post on LKY's passing that has well and truly gone viral. I have spent a lot of time replying to some of the many messages left on that post and that has delayed me writing this piece but at the same time, I am glad that those messages have given me much food for thought. I have re-read my previous piece and double-checked that I had not said anything even vaguely critical about LKY at all and you know what? I am not going to criticize LKY at all in this post either - I am however, going to criticize Singaporeans and Singaporean society in this post again. Don't you get it? I don't have a problem with LKY, I actually have a lot of respect for LKY - it is the herd mentality of ordinary Singaporeans that drives me mad and this is what I am going to talk about in this post.

I had a reader politely remind me that the fact that I am indeed very different from the vast majority of Singaporeans - perhaps that's stating the obvious but fair enough - I needed to be reminded why my blog doesn't connect with many ordinary Singaporeans. My parents spent most of their lives teaching in the same primary school in Ang Mo Kio whilst I have worked for many different companies in Europe, Middle East and Asia. Just this week, I have spent some time working up in Media City Manchester with the BBC radio 4 and it is the second time that I have had the pleasure of working at Media City. The project brought together an eclectic, international mix of writers, producers, technicians and performers and such is the nature of these BBC projects - they can be a lot of fun. I love working on such projects because of the opportunity to new people all the time and I really enjoy getting to know new people like that. 
In the recording studio at BBC Media City

Such is the nature of my industry - you don't really need to try too hard to fit in and you're allowed to be yourself. For example, I always realize that I am always very overdressed as someone working for media; after all, when you're working in radio, you could be sitting around in the recording studio in shorts and T-shirt and no one is going to mind or care what you wear. It is really the one industry where a dress code really isn't required. But as I am so vain and like dressing up, no one actually asked me, "why are you wearing a tie? This is for radio, not TV; you don't need to dress up nicely." No, rather, no one bat an eyelid about the fact that I wore a tie and only one colleague remarked to me that she liked my tie very much. Such is the way the Brits can be quite open minded about accepting people who don't quite fit the mould, people like myself who have never been in the habit of conforming.

I remember how I drove my parents crazy as a child when I refused to conform. I remember when I was about 12 years old or so, my mother wanted to buy me a shirt for Chinese new year. I thought it was absolutely hideous - I just didn't like it. My mother said, "but this shirt is so nice - look, all the other boys your age wear something like that, don't you want to be just like the others?" And I thought, yikes - what a horrible thought, to conform, only to be just like everyone else? Well my parents really wanted me to conform - as if that would bring me joy at Chinese new year? Now you can see why I felt like a fish out of water in Singapore where the culture celebrates conformity - it rewards those who are willing to conform and it frowns upon those who dare to be different. I suppose I was very lucky to have found a niche within the education programme where my individuality and creativity was allowed to flourish - it was the humanities programme at VJC and I particularly enjoyed TSD (theatre studies & drama) as a subject then. 
Media City, Manchester

Then I had a shock as I went from an environment where my teachers rewarded my creativity to NS - where they hated anyone trying to be an individual. Oh strip you of any semblance of individuality by first shaving your head, then they put in a uniform and you are taught to put your unit first before yourself. I remember being on this course during NS and it was a pretty simple course: we were given textbooks and course materials for everything on the syllabus. At the end of course, there was an exam and I remember doing quite badly in the exam. I was aghast as I thought there was no way I could flunk such an easy course. I requested to see my exam paper and I realized what had happened: I had been expected to memorize the model answers word-for-word and copied them out in the exam paper to get full marks. I didn't think that was necessary - I had memorized the key facts and used my own words to answer the questions. I didn't think that was so objectionable - it demonstrated a deeper understanding of the topic.

I had to point out to the examiner that I had indeed gotten all the answers right, it was just that I didn't memorize the model answers word-for-word. Begrudgingly, he changed the result on my exam - I think he didn't even read my answers to realize that I had all the key points, all he saw was that I didn't regurgitate the model answers. He said something like, "Why you so ghey-kiang for what? (Why do you pretend to be clever?) Book inside already got model answer - why you must invent your own? Next time I teach you a lesson and fail you!" I was actually quite angry. I thought that the fact that I had memorized the facts well enough to get all the answers right was good enough - but perhaps I had underestimated the culture of conformity in NS. Such was the nature of Singaporean society. He was more interested in getting me to conform than actually teaching me anything about the course material. I then found out that everyone else who took the test actually did memorize the model answers word-for-word. I was probably the only one who understood the syllabus well enough to express the answers in my own words: go figure. Duh.
It was never in my nature to conform.

Thus in this context, Jeraldine Phneah took a rather bold step in trying to post something quite different from what the others have been saying about LKY on her blog. Her piece was well researched and factually accurate - yet she became the victim of such a vicious cyber-bullying campaign that she was forced to take down her original piece (which I have since posted on my blog). Many people who read her piece are left puzzled as to what was really all that offensive about her content, but in the context of Singapore, the reason was quite simply that she had refused to conform - the same way the examiner had threatened to fail me for refusing to memorize the model answers. The default response (or model answer) was to write a long tribute about why LKY was such a pivotal figure as the founding father of Singapore and how Singapore would be nothing without him. Despite the fact that I had ORDed in 1997, little has changed in Singapore after all these years when it comes to dealing with those who dare to deviate from the model answer. That is disappointing - I had hoped that Singaporean society would have evolved.

Let's try to understand about the Singaporean mentality in this context. Firstly, there was this expectation that bloggers like Phneah should and must conform - now nobody could actually give me a really good reason why they had expected her to conform as such, but I think the answers can be found in my primary school. My primary school had a strict rule - there was to be no eating in the classroom and the only water permitted was plain water. This was because the teachers didn't want any sugary snacks or drinks in the classroom as that could attract ants and other insects. One day this girl (let's call her Sandy) was thirsty and took out a drink of water from her water bottle which was made of semi-opaque orange plastic material. The colour of the plastic made it look as if the liquid could have been something like orange squash or juice (see picture below). Sure enough, a few other students noted the colour of her drink and they promptly shouted, "teacher! Teacher! Sandy is drinking sweet drinks in the classroom! Sandy is breaking the school rules!" Our teacher rushed over immediately and upon inspection by the teacher, it turned out to be plain water but what shocked me was this knee-jerk 'report first, ask questions later' approach by my fellow classmates then.
Sandy's water bottle looked like this

Why were these students reacting like that? Perhaps they did so because they felt it was unfair - they had all obediently followed the school rules and had expected Sandy to be subjected to the same strict rules. Maybe they thought that by reporting Sandy to the teacher, they would win the favour of the teacher in the process. Or maybe they weren't even thinking - they were already conditioned to react like that from a very young age. Such was their relationship with authority and I just can't imagine this happening in a place like Europe or America. Oh this is a very Singaporean trait indeed. This explains the way why so many people attacked Phneah when it was perceived that she had broken an unwritten rule about conforming to the majority when it came to reacting to LKY's death. How many people actually bothered reading what she had actually written and analyze if any of what she said was unfair or inaccurate? No, they were just like the kids in my primary school who shouted for the teacher the moment they saw the colour of Sandy's water bottle without actually knowing the contents of the bottle.

I find this particularly disturbing for the following reasons: the students in the class were more than happy to get Sandy into trouble despite the fact that she really did not do anything to anyone else. No one actually asked Sandy, "what are you drinking?" Yet the other students shouted to the teacher as if she had done something really bad, without even taking a moment to consider if they were actually justified in doing so. Furthermore, the teacher didn't berate the students who reported on Sandy - she merely let the incident go, there was no attempt to change the mindset or behaviour of the students. Likewise in the case of Phneah, this is conformity taken to an extreme and completely gone mad. She is paying the price for daring to be slightly different, rather than having actually done anything wrong at all.
Sandy was drinking water.

So, please can someone tell me what Phneah is actually guilty of. Was she misrepresenting the facts? No, her facts were completely factually accurate. Was she insulting LKY? Definitely not, she had been very careful with her words. Was she insensitive to those who are grieving by claiming that she will only be a little sad? I don't think so - after all, grief is a very personal process. I have lost people I had cared for before and coming to terms with the loss of a loved one is a very personal journey you have to make: it is between you and the person who has died. You can have different members of the same family go through a very different kind of grieving process even though they have lost the same family member. It should not concern those around you and it should certainly not give you the right to tell people (whom you don't even know) what they should or should not say or when they should say it. Just because you are grieving doesn't give you the right to tell others what they can or cannot do or when they can or cannot do it. You simply cannot expect everyone to grieve the same way.

I hear the words said over and over again, "show some respect, the man has just died." Whilst I do have deep respect for LKY, on the issue of respect, I do believe that respect is earned, not demanded. You cannot order another person to respect this figure in authority or that other person - no, it simply doesn't work like that. Respect has got to be earned and if someone has no respect for LKY, then the fact that LKY has died is not going to change the fact that LKY has failed to earn this person's respect in his lifetime. Yes it is indeed very sad when someone dies, but their death isn't going to automatically change anything if respect hasn't already been earned during his/her lifetime. Get real. You can ask someone to show pity, compassion, even kindness - but respect? Is that really the right word to use? I would instead rather appeal to someone's compassion - even if you didn't like a person, you would at least show some sympathy and be considerate to a family who are already grieving and coping with the death of a loved one.
Is respect the right word to use in this context?

Furthermore, I have been told that in opening up a debate about LKY's legacy, I am showing disrespect and I am as bad as some nasty villain who is causing mayhem at a funeral. How utterly ludicrous is that? I am not anywhere near LKY's funeral, I am in fact sitting here in central London, eight time zones away. What I am writing is on my blog and it is not like I am posting insensitive messages say on social media where people could accidentally stumble across - no, my blog is for my readers who are interested to hear what I have say and if you don't like what I have to say then I have a simple solution: don't read my blog. And if I can't voice my opinions on my blog, then where else do you wish to censor? My private conversations between me and my friends? What I say on Skype or Facebook to my friends in Singapore? How about my private thoughts - do you wish to censor those too? No, you can't because you don't have the power to do so. It is ludicrous that I have to deal with so many haters despite the fact that I've merely stood up for the right for others to express an opinion - imagine if I had actually been critical of LKY.

Then there is the issue of when we can actually start talking about LKY's legacy and for that, I would like to quote another Singaporean blogger Chinton who has hit the nail on the head on this rather tricky issue:

Is there ever a right time to be critical of Mr. Lee? When he was still in his prime, no one dared oppose him too strongly lest they have their livelihoods destroyed. When Mr. Lee stepped down from the Cabinet, people remained silent because they wanted to let Mr. Lee live out his days in peace – judging him after he passed on. Now that Mr. Lee has died, critics are still being condemned for being “too early” and “too disrespectful”. I bet that twenty years from now, Singaporeans who speak up against Mr. Lee will be told that “this is old history. Why bring up past wounds?” It will never end. 
Is there ever a right time to talk about LKY's legacy?

I would like to add that if we simply allow the status quo (as described above) to stay, then nobody would ever feel that it is the right time to talk about LKY's legacy. What I would like to see is a far more mature response than blind censorship. If someone (like Alfian Sa'at) questions LKY's legacy, what should be your response if you don't like what he said? You're not obliged to agree with what he said, If you think that he is wrong and you are right, then by all means write your own response and send it into the ST or post it online - tell him what your opinion is on the issue of LKY's legacy. Launching a vicious tirade of personal abuse at Sa'at is not, however, an acceptable or mature response. Being very sad about the death of LKY doesn't excuse this kind of behaviour at all.

In any case, I have bemoaned the fact that many Singaporeans are unfamiliar with LKY's great works and some of my readers have even admitted to me that they are not interested in history. How on earth can you show deep respect for LKY if you can't even be asked to understand the contribution he has made to Singapore's development? Some Singaporeans even jump to the wrong conclusions and claim that Singapore was no more than a fishing village in 1965. Look, if you're not particularly interested in history, if say you're more interested in computer games or football - then fine, that's your choice and your life. But how on earth are you going to really show LKY respect at his death if you don't even know what he actually got up to in his life time? That's why I do encourage you to read LKY's memoirs.
How do you form your opinion on people you respect?

This does however remind me rather uncomfortably of some of the Christians I have encountered over the years. I'm talking about Christians who have never read the bible properly, they don't attend church regularly and have barely ever set foot in a bible studies class - they do know the basics about Christianity, they probably can tell you a few stories from the bible but at the end of the day, their understanding of Christianity is actually painfully shallow. But does that bother them? No, they simply take the liberty to fill in the gaps to create the kind of god that they'd like to have and at the end of the day, they're worshiping a kind of DIY god they've created to suit their needs. I may be an atheist but that's not why I am so cynical of such people. If you haven't learnt much about Christianity and still want to claim to be a Christian, then I ask, who are you trying to kid? God? The real god or your DIY one?

Likewise, I don't understand people who claim that they don't need to know Singapore's history in detail or even need to know much about LKY to respect him and feel sadness for his death. How is that different from the so-called 'Christians' who are worshiping their DIY god? What are you doing then - are you also creating some kind of hero figure for you to worship based on what little bits of information you have and then liberally filling in the gaps? That's why I say: if you really respect LKY, then please read his book. It will only take you a few hours. You may actually find many more amazing facts about LKY that will inspire you, then you will actually know whom you are respecting.
I am challenging Singaporeans to read more about LKY.

It doesn't paint a very nice picture of Singaporeans today. On a normal day, you wouldn't see any of these issues associated with intolerance but it takes a major event like the passing of LKY to bring such problems to the surface. This mindless herd mentality, this desire to make everyone around you conform is scary. It reminds me of less civilized societies where lynch mobs will murder first and ask questions later. Let me finish by stating this for the record once again: I don't actually have a problem with LKY, I have deep respect for LKY. It is the stupid, brainless Singaporean herd mentality that I take issue with. Feel free to disagree with me if you want, but I'm not criticizing LKY, I'm criticizing ordinary Singaporeans who have failed to respond in a civilized and articulate manner in this period.

Okay, so that's it from me on this issue. Once again, feel free to leave a comment and let me know your thoughts below - but keep it civil, please. I have had a few stupid idiots who think it is funny to hurl personal attacks in the last post - you are only making a complete fool of yourself if you do so. If you have to resort to personal attacks to make your point, then you're a stupid idiot. Thank you very much for reading - I look forward to reading your comments.

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  1. Limpeh I'm curious about one thing: when you said "Some Singaporeans even jump to the wrong conclusions and claim that Singapore was no more than a fishing village in 1965", who are these "some" or "many Singaporeans"? You have mentioned that a blog reader Cheerio Gobbler had left you a comment making that claim before. But surely this one guy isn't "many" Singaporeans? Referring to your post here:

    http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-history-of-singapore-101-part-1.html?q=%22fishing+village%22

    All of my peers (all born after 1990 btw) knew Singapore was never a fishing village in 1965.

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    1. Delia, as you can see, I am buried under hundreds of comments here but thought I needed to reply to you.

      May I refer you to an earlier post I made on my blog. http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/you-wanna-praise-pap-get-your-facts.html

      I am pleased to hear that your peers are well educated and well informed. This was the impression I have gleamed from looking at the comments on social media - indeed, since I am based in the UK, I tend to interact with Singaporeans mostly online these days rather than in person. Let's just say that the impression I have gleamed from social media is hardly a flattering one and don't get me started on the appallingly bad English. I am friends with a number of prominent Singaporean bloggers who do have a huge social media presence and I do also follow them on social media - that's how I read the comments left by a large number of Singaporeans who follow these other prominent bloggers as well and hence that is how I formed my impression.

      I hope that answers your question - thank you.

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    2. Okay, it answers my question. Thank you. I'm based currently in UK as well and since I have personally never heard of this fishing village thing, whether online or offline, I was just wondering if it was a fair statement to make about "many Singaporeans"- and then to conclude that many Singaporeans have a poor grasp of history.

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    3. So there you go. Perhaps it's the audience that my blogger friends draw. And it does sound like you're highly educated, so I would have expected your peers to be as equally well informed in any case.

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  2. Given that both your blog and Jeradine's were personal blogs, and you do not work for a news media organization, you should be allowed to write whatever you want. That is, you can write that you detested LKY and were glad he died, or you loved the man and were sad that he died. If someone does not like it, they are not forced to visit your blogs. It is not like you went to the wake or funeral and started spewing hate at the crowd and the casket. Personally, I did not like the guy. I admire his cunning and brilliance at political manipulation as much as I admire Frank Underwood of House of Cards. That said, I think he was arrogant and condescending. Yes, I think he was an asshole. LKY probably knew he was an asshole. Deep down, he may have even respected me should I have told him that he was an asshole (after his guards locked me up, that is). Did I wish him ill? Certainly not. Was I even mildly sad like Jeraldine that he died? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Was I glad he died? Not at all. I recognize his successes, and I am not blind to his misdeeds. If I met LHL now, would I tell him that his father was an asshole? No. I will save it for a later time, should I meet him again. However, if I had a blog, I should be able to write whatever I wanted. It's not that I am telling people to hate him or love him. I am just writing about my thoughts. People should not dictate the content of my blog or when I choose to publish it. I think you and Jeraldine have been more than polite and accommodating. I would have been a lot blunt. That's just me. I find the mass hysteria over the death of the great lord and leader laughable at best. That said, I really do not care if Singaporeans decide to throw themselves into the pyre with his body. It is their choice, and they have the right to do whatever they want. Just do not tell non-conformists like us what to think, write, or feel. Or when to write, think, or feel.

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    1. Well said Di, thanks very much as always! I do have friends who have queued through the night to pay their respects to LKY and I'm like - it's just to see a coffin. If you really cared so much about the man, you should have done something for him (or your country) when he was alive. That's why this whole grief thing puzzles me.

      It reminds me of a scene out of a Singaporean movie I saw years ago - this old woman had 3 children: 2 daughters and a son. The 2 daughters were rich but neglected the mother, never giving her any money or spending any time with her. The son was poor and lived with the mother. The mother became very ill with cancer and the daughters were like, well she's old it was bound to happen, let nature take its course whilst the son tried everything he could to try to save his mother but to no avail. When the mother finally died, the daughters paid for a lavish funeral and everyone turned up and said how filial the daughters were and when they found out that the son didn't pay for the funeral, they said, "what a bad son".

      You see, that's my point - I say, if you want to do something for me, please do it for me whilst i can be around to appreciate it. Don't wait till I die and then give me the most grand funeral your money can buy, because even though I am there, I can't exactly enjoy it. Sorry if that sounds incredibly blunt.

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    2. A lot of people used to complain about LKY's tyranny and his policies. They also made fun of his wife and her hideous outfits. Looking at her younger pictures, she was actually quite pretty, and LKY was actually quite dapper. He looked good as an old man, but his wife was quite dowdy in her later years. Anyway, I had many friends who did not like LKY and his family. Now these same people are practically in mourning. My guess is that they have been swept by the onslaught of mass hysteria. That is what irks me. People are now into PDS -- public display of sorrow. Like the rich daughter in your story, they want to show that they are loyal subjects of LKY. Dramatics.

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    3. When Mr LKY is still around, the people have showered him with their support and care through their votes and support on his founding party, PAP. For many, they know that for him the most importance. Now that he is gone, the people just wanna accompany n take a look on him, who they have admired and love so much. It is a genuine act as he is so deeply rooted within everyone iut there, standing under the heat with long waiting hours.

      I'm a Singaporean that have been staying in Switzerland for our 10 years now. Of course I'm not going to fly in just to show my respect but I choose to say my prayer to him, which im sure, Mr LKY will received it. It will be totally if I'm back home. ..I will be one of those waiting there to pay my last respect to him..either ways, it is a totally different scenes from those that you have saw in the many Singaporean movies.

      Individual mindset have an impact on how one's look and receive nice or bad things...

      I wanted to share this Chinese phrase with you, ie 公道自在人心。

      I respect the freedom of speech, but at the same time, be nice is the key words to all type of communication.

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    4. When Mr LKY is still around, the people have showered him with their support and care through their votes and support on his founding party, PAP. For many, they know that for him the most importance. Now that he is gone, the people just wanna accompany n take a look on him, who they have admired and love so much. It is a genuine act as he is so deeply rooted within everyone iut there, standing under the heat with long waiting hours.

      I'm a Singaporean that have been staying in Switzerland for our 10 years now. Of course I'm not going to fly in just to show my respect but I choose to say my prayer to him, which im sure, Mr LKY will received it. It will be totally if I'm back home. ..I will be one of those waiting there to pay my last respect to him..either ways, it is a totally different scenes from those that you have saw in the many Singaporean movies.

      Individual mindset have an impact on how one's look and receive nice or bad things...

      I wanted to share this Chinese phrase with you, ie 公道自在人心。

      I respect the freedom of speech, but at the same time, be nice is the key words to all type of communication.

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    5. Sorry I just have to ask this. If you're in Switzerland, then why is your English so bad? I hope it's only because you're speaking French and/or German everyday. Most of my Swiss and Singaporean friends speak English flawlessly, it sounds like you've spent 10 years in China and not Switzerland.

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    6. I was wondering the same thing, but I wanted to be "nice". If being nice is key to communication, then when is there ever a time to be "not nice"? Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. Btw, I cannot read your Chinese phase. I can only recognize " xai ren xin".

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    7. I was reading the comments section and became curious about why the remark about Te-Yong's English proficiency is relevant to the discussion at hand.. Is that not a personal attack?

      In any case, language learning is a fascinating area of study. Staying anywhere for 10 years will not have significant impact on your ability (=grasp on phonetics/morphology/syntax/semantics/pragmatics) to speak/write in a new language without prompt and accurate feedback from a proficient speaker. Te Yong may have learnt English later in life as a second/third language.

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  3. For the most part, groupthink and herd mentality characterize the average Singaporean's mindset about this. I actually admit that I do not really care about Lee Kuan Yew's death, and well, yes, I think that he is pretty much a ruthless man who stepped all over his associates and rivals in politics to get what he wanted. Considering that glut of melodramatic emotions on social media over his death and all that defensiveness, I would refrain from writing on Facebook that I am "gloating" over it in the sense of good riddance, since not only am I refusing to engage in unfruitful political dialogue with Singaporeans, but because it is way overkill!

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  4. What is the benchmark then, if I may ask, for people's knowledge of LKY to be sufficient enough for them to love him? 10%, 50%, 90%, or 100% of the historical facts behind this man? How much will ever be enough?

    If am eighty year old man says this to his grandchildren : "I used to grow up in a kampung where fishing was our livelihood. And now I have witnessed that fishing village transformed into the city that it is today." Is this sentence so fundamentally wrong that he is unqualified to admire LKY for his contributions? If his grandchildren, upon hearing, starts to admire LKY for the difference that he made to their grandpa's life, is it fundamentally wrong too?

    Historical facts that define him should not be ignored. But they should not be taken out of context without any humane touch. Besides, i would like to see evidence of claims that singapore "was wholly a fishing village any cit infrastructure right from independence". Did anyone ignorantly claim that and then claim that LKY was the man behind this transformation?

    You also generalised that Singaporeans have this herd mentality of going with the flow to support LKY blindly, then leaving hate messages on critics' blogs because they are so oppressive. How much of these comments have you seen? (And I mean senseless hate comments, not logical arguments in response) Hundreds? How much of these were left by the same people? Statistically, these people remain a MINORITY. I strongly object to your claim of these people being representative of Singapore's society. Online comments are still a fragment of Singaporeans' responses to him. Have you been on the ground, and heard how people actually share facts of him with each other as a way to share their way of remembrance to others?

    As with some going with the flow to blindly support LKY, how many haters are out here as well to jump onto the bandwagon to blindly hate on him? It goes both ways.

    Not everyone is so noble. Most who queued hours for his funeral might not have contributed to society or even did something for LKY. But I am sure that at times LKY was hospitalised, these people prayed for a speedy recovery for him. Many have actually met him, listened to his rallies, taken note of his contributions in other ways. They respect him, albeit not outwardly and explicitly. Is that not enough reason that they want to attend his funeral? What do they have to do to qualify then?

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    1. Jilla, I would type a long reply to you. But a friend in Singapore has just drawn me to Amos Yee's video and I am going to blog about that next. Have you seen that video and the fall out from it? Talk about controversy, that 17 year old kid makes anything I've written on my blog seem incredibly tame in comparison.

      But I note your points - and if you wanna tell me that the haters who are spitting venom online are a minority and do not represent Singapore in general, then sadly, I would respond be saying that more Singaporeans need to speak up and find their voice. Otherwise the only voices we are getting are those who do bother to say anything and if they don't represent the majority of Singaporeans, then tough shit - their voices are the only ones which are heard, then whose fault is that?

      BTW, your analogy about the grandpa's life is kinda simplistic. My mother worships LKY but I don't agree with my mother on most issues which is probably why we're not really on speaking terms today and I see my mother as this quite ill-informed, not very educated old lady whose views of the world are at best very old fashioned and outdated. Let's just say when I look at her, I mostly feel sorry for her and wish there was a way to protect her from her own folly. She may worship LKY but I certainly am not gonna ape her since I don't really trust her to do most things for herself and have zero faith in her judgement even on a good day.

      Anyway, back to this Amos Yee. It's v late here in London but I'm watching his videos on Youtube. I suggest you check him out too.

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    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD4y3U4TfeY#t=27

      If you mean Amos Yee as in this, well, I can say that he makes some valid points even despite the rather confrontational tone of voice. Some Singaporeans probably cannot tolerate the candidness with which he speaks, since I have seen some of them picking on his accent, which I just find to be standard or even a case of natural speaking in PROPER English, as opposed to those picking on him who cannot even write and speak proper English.

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    3. Yup, I am gonna blog about Amos Yee this weekend. I have mixed feelings about him - the thing is I do support his right to express himself and say what he wants about LKY, but then again, there's also an element of kicking the hornet nest with this video. He makes Phneah and I look extremely tame in contrast. He has made some very valid points in his video but the overall tone meant that only those who are anti-PAP and anti-LKY will be receptive to his message and he is preaching to the choir. He certainly will not change any minds with that video I'm afraid. What is his agenda? I'll be discussing that this weekend.

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    4. What Di and you had said about the paying of respects only after the influence of mass groupthink and herd mentality actually put across very clearly what I had said to my sister about this. Many of those who voted for the opposition and claimed that the PAP-majority government does not listen to them are by far shooting themselves in the heel when they go on and on about how much they NOW respect the old man after he has passed. I did not buy it that much, because the old man, despite his intelligence and his vision, had certainly other aspects to him such as the inability to allow for tolerance of other viewpoints, the cruel and even tyrannical detention without trial of political rivals such as Lim Chin Siong and Chia Thye Poh and others who were not even proven communists via the ISA, etcetera, which also create a more ambiguous sense of his real person at the best. A few friends of mine who wanted to stay out of this fray have unsubscribed from various news feeds on Facebook and other social media reporting on Singapore and LKY (and I have done the same too), and a few others are even out of Singapore in countries such as Italy and Malaysia LOL. Now, that is something refreshing for a change.

      I suspect that my sympathy for Amos Yee means that I am truly liberal like anyone who has lived in Canada LOL. I mean, his accent was not even full-on American and Singaporeans are all so insecure about someone who is not speaking in Singlish like them, just like the way they picked on Stefanie Koh when she was speaking in a relatively Australianized accent. Those people angry at him have to refrain from picking on that because that only creates an ad hominem argument per se and only draws attention to their unverifiable arguments. His remarks are rather direct and even possibly interpreted as seditious by some, maybe because he uses a lot of sexually couched metaphors which complicates the matter by giving the sense of his irreverence towards LKY and the current government. However, he is not the first one to come out directly to criticize the PAP and the Lee family instead of hiding behind any online persona, if we remember Gopalan Nair who writes his own blog with an axe to grind against the Lee family and the PAP.

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    5. Yeah his accent is kinda neither here nor there - like he can't pronounce the TH sound: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/lift-vlog-episode-15-th-sounds-in.html and that makes me think like, okay you wanna sound American but instead of picking a posh American accent, you pick an ethnic minority non-native Americanized accent and your inability to make the TH sound is a dead-give away. You can at best sound like an immigrant trying his best but you are not quite there yet Amos. Maybe he listens to a lot of black music as black people in America tend not to be able to do the TH sound.

      You should see the way my nephew reacts to my accent and to them, I sound funny and strange - but to me, I'm like okay you guys are at best speaking Singaporean English or if I may be blunt, you guys are speaking broken English and mispronouncing many words. The biggest irony was when my nephew attempted to copy my 'angmoh' accent and my mother barked at him, "speak properly lah" and I replied in exaggerated English, "yah loh, why you tok liddat one hah? Cannot tok properly one meh?" Groan. My mother's blind spots ... I have to have a sense of humour when dealing with her.

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    6. Still, please do reply to Jilla's points. I'd love to hear your response. Thanks.

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    7. You know Delia, I will in fact. I had read your comment and re-read hers and actually do have an angle I wish to explore in relation to her question. Leave it with me, I want to craft it into a proper blog post and present it properly. But yeah in my head, I know the perfect answer to her question.

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    8. Kevin and Alex, I have much to say about Amos Yee, but I need to get my house in order and get some paper work done. I just want to say this --- Amos comes across as unlikeable. He has valid points and I applaud his audacity at such a young age to speak out and stand out of the crowd for whatever reason instead of being sucked into the vortex of LKY worshipping. I did not like his comparison of LKY and Jesus. MY JESUS was power angry?! Huh? I am Catholic and a devout one, though deeply flawed and often sinful like everyone else. To hear him mention LKY and Jesus in the same breathe was insulting. However, I will not begrudge him the right to express his views. You see, I am not like the other idiotic Singaporeans who will lynch someone with a different view. If I get a chance, I will challenge him to a discussion about Jesus. I will not put him behind bars. BTW, someone has already filed a police against Amos. Gosh, aren't there people to arrest? People who litter, spit, or ... gulp .... chew gum?

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    9. OK Delia and Jilla, I have written a draft, a pretty long one in response to Jilla's complex question. I want to edit it before posting it. I'm rather tired now and am off to bed, but I will re-read it on Sunday with a less tired pair of eyes.

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    10. Di and Alex, I think that it definitely has to do with his tone of voice. His language was after all couched in rather offensive full-on sexual metaphors, which would anger even some of those who listen to the whole video. That said, filing a police report against him on the basis of a Youtube video was totally uncalled for.....My eyes are seriously rolling about in disbelief at the herd mentality of Singaporeans. No wonder that the term "Sinkie" is often used to describe a load of them......

      I got picked on a lot for my accent whenever I speak to Singaporeans, mainly because I pronounce most things differently from them. It would be rather hard for me to actually speak Singlish because I have never really tried to speak that to fit in. I kind of empathize with Amos Yee to a certain extent, as bratty as he sounds, partially because he is trying to be different and ended up being the extreme opposite. When some Singaporeans hear that I cannot really read nor write Chinese well, the one idiotic statement that their chauvinistic minds mostly jumped to was, "O, are you a Baba or Nonya?" Well, no, and that got them even more incredulous. I guess that if I were to say that my French and Korean are seriously better than my Chinese, they might glower due to some lingering 'pro-Chinese' chauvinism, but that is another issue. Seriously, I do not get it with all that antagonism towards someone who speaks or thinks differently and so, I do think that whatever people think, we need more 'alternative' voices like Amos. Yes, he is bratty, but filing a police report because "you" feel offended??!!?? That is about as bratty and childish.

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    11. Sorry, I mean, "MY JESUS was power hungry?!" --- not "angry". When I use my phone, I can't see well, and I should use reading glasses, but I don't. I make my share of typos.

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    12. http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/jillas-rather-tricky-question-about.html For you Jilla. Better late than never. Here's my reply to your question (I wrote it a while ago but got so busy with Amos Yee).

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  5. Hi Limpeh, I have read that Amos's video is currently under investigation by the police, and am quite worried for him. I met Amos a while back, and found him to be rather charming and quite refreshing. He does have a tendency to offend, but he's expressed to me that it's because he thinks that his opinions should be delivered with emotional conviction (albeit peppered with crude remarks and vulgarities) - that's simply him acting on such beliefs. He really is the person IRL who you see in these videos. (Many probably think that it's just bratty behaviour, but really, I found myself questioning myself when he's made me uncomfortable, and found that he often has valid harsh truths. - I believe that if I'm made uncomfortable to first examine my own beliefs.) He's often quite hard to listen to in the beginning, but once one gets over that, it's easy to see that he's quite a warm and sincere person, and very enjoyable to talk to. I sometimes wonder if how his unpopularity stems from how many locals are just not used to confronting bratty and confident teenagers, and how we just want our youths to be "accommodating and respectful" - 'guai'. As for the Christian references, he is after all, a new young atheist (I believe he was almost made/or became an altar boy and is just simply stating his reflections from his religious childhood - like the newly deconverteds like me after being exposed to Dawkins, Hitchens etc). Should Amos be detained for simply making a Youtube video (even if offensive), I would be quite nauseated. The insane hatred (death threats and mob justice once again) he's currently facing for this video further proves his points raised in the very same video - such worshipping if intolerant to criticism is blind worshipping. This also proves to me quite simply that your observations about the herd mentality of Singapore is staggeringly true.

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    1. I wonder how many people actually watched his whole video before reacting angrily? I think if I were to direct or edit Amos' video, then I would make a few editorial changes to tone down the language (he was provoking a reaction from the start) and also the last part about suicide, well, I don't think it was fair and that was somewhat OTT. I do want to stand up for his right to speak his mind - but I do think that he did go a bit too far from the point of view of not catering for his audience. In the world of media, you must always consider whom your audience is and how best to convey your message to them.

      I will write a full post on him this weekend.

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    2. Hi Limpeh, am also looking forward to your reply to Jilla's questions. I tried watching some of these video responses to Amos, and it's all so bad (horrid presentations - do some of these repliers not know how to do some basic video-editing/prepare a script - what's with this rush to churn out video drafts). Everyone seems to be harping on variations of "Amos, couldn't you do this later? Why now? Why during this period of mourning, it's so disrespectful!" Groans...

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    3. I have actually completed my draft article as a response to Jilla's questions and trust me, I have a very good response - it's a very personal response to a complex question, certainly there's no one size fits all model answer to that kind of question, but I think I have done it justice. I just had to rush the Amos Yee article out first, it's a question of timing - it is a very topical issue and the moment I heard that he was arrested I had to leave the other article and complete the one on Amos Yee.

      The fundamental questions that Jilla raised are timeless - ie. they are not topical and they can be applied to a range of other factors. I chose to compare it to religion like - how well do you have to know the Bible before you can claim you are a Christian? What is the thought process for us to justify feelings of love for a person or entity? Whilst she was talking specifically about LKY, I dealt with that as well as broadening it out into looking at the wider principle of how we justify what we love to ourselves.

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  6. I've read part of LKY's memoirs and I'm no fan. In his own words, during WWII he worked with the Japanese invaders as a translator which is why he got out relatively unscathed. How many Chinese or British he sold out we will never know. Also during the communist scare he secretly worked with the head of the Communist Party of Malaya who calls himself the Plen in order to destabalise the British colonial government of the time.

    So while i feel apathetic to LKY's passing, the over-reaction from the majority of Singaporeans remind me of the passing of DRPK's supreme leader Kim Jong Il.

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    1. Oh yeah, his role in WW2 is controversial at best - these are precisely the kind of facts that people will choose to ignore at this point in time.

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  7. You know, the primary school example actually happened to me before when I was in primary school, (many times in different ways even) and I can assure you the students who reported her didn't do it due to conformity. It was out of pure mischievous malice. In other words, they wanted to get her into trouble. It would have amused them if she did get into trouble. As for why did they not even bother to check if she was really drinking sweet drinks or not, it was because they weren't smart/careful enough to do so. Or it could also be that they just wanted to try their luck to see if they could get her into trouble on the spot or not, if so, yay! If not, too bad and there's always next time. The ever-disgusting tattle-tale behaviour, and the SG version of it is usually done right in your face, in front of the whole class, in an almost outright gleeful manner.

    Your teacher was a typical bo-chup teacher that I encountered often in my primary schooling years. Ironically, most of my english-speaking teachers were of this trend - some even encouraged such bullying behaviour in students, in the "Good! You have done the right thing to report rule-breaking students to me!", which did encourage conformity and tattle-taling as a positive thing.

    Only 2 of my teachers always reacted negatively towards tattle-tale behaviour, because they saw it as what it was - a kind of bullying act that gets students unnecessarily into trouble with the teachers. They would, in their own (and really very different) ways, question the motives of the students who tattle-tale and make them somewhat ashamed of themselves.

    I can see such behaviour happening every and anywhere actually, regardless of age/culture/language/etc. It's just another sort of bullying that uses conformity and non-conformity discrimination as a kind of weapon.

    Also, Jeraldine is certainly not guilty of anything. But when has such a fact stopped haters from slamming/smearing/taunting/bullying? She could have wrote the most wonderful analytical piece in the world, but the haters will still stream in. Of course, there were also those that disagreed with her views in a more civil way, but seriously very irrelevant half the time and I always lost interest reading halfway.

    I think we shouldn't bother to give haters so much attention. They always seem like the majority because they use the most virulent, hateful words and repeat themselves so much. Taking such people seriously is an insult to Jeraldine's well thought-out piece.

    Instead, I want to focus on the people who defend, share and support her views. It gives me great relief and happiness that those that are defending her have been mostly civilized, rational and having depth. I'd like to point out that most of the in-real-life people I know actually also share her views and would have provide similar-style supportive comments. There may be a lot of haters out there, but I don't think we are in the minority either.

    Lastly, regardless of whether having valid points and intelligence or not, I cannot respect those that can only use vulgar, hysterical rants to express themselves, nor take them seriously. To me, such people are like all those virulent haters out there, extreme, incoherent and unable to take in any sort of ideas that don't conform with theirs.

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    1. Hi Sharaine and thanks for your comment. I see from your detailed analysis of my primary school anecdote that you have been through exactly the same system as I have! You see, it doesn't matter which school I was in or what year I studied in - that incident could have happened to you or me or millions of other Singaporeans because we all come from the same culture.

      You see, it is because this kind of behaviour is inculcated from a very young age - this does explain why Phneah was treated the way she was by Singaporeans on social media. But look, now we have Amos Yee and good grief, they have found someone new to hate.

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  8. I found your blog through the FB postings of like-minded Singaporeans. Thanks for articulating what some of us feel. He lived a long life, he accomplished what he intended to do ( and nevermind how many eggs got broken for that omelette, right?) and he's earned his place in our history. While I'm definitely mindful of what a major chapter has closed for Singapore, I can't bring myself to get emotional about this. I can understand why many Singaporeans are swept up in their intense feels but I can't abide re-writing history and deification. Oh well. There's never going to be an "appropriate time" to re-evaluate LKY's actions in this country...not unless its pre-approved and managed by the ruling party. That's part of his legacy too. PS: So hey you went to VJC and were in TS? Class of 88-90, here ;)

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    1. Yup, I am ex-VJC, I was there 1993-94. You're my senior!

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    2. Aaah we probably have a drama teacher in common then ;) *waves at Mr Buono*
      I'll be spending some quality time catching up on your blog!

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    3. Yup, I had Mr Buono and Mr Hunt as my TSD teachers then.

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  9. Hi,
    While Jeraldine might be factually correct, she was overly defensive. For example, if she realy believe that it's her blog, she can write whatever she wants, then why would she feel the need to keep on defending herself to "haters"?
    I didn't like her article because it seems like 1)she's only doing it for attention--why post it now? Why the title--which she could rename to "My thoughts/feelings towards LKY", which will be more neutral other than Why i wont be very sad when LKY passes away.
    2)it seems like she is merely repeating facts but without her own opinion. i have read all those about LKY too, but I don't believe everything I read. Has she bothered to research more and find out personal accounts of LKY rather than the official "who came up with this policy" names?
    3)lastly, she said she was a reporter, but her choice of words: like lah, and also errors does not make her very credible. Unlike you, whose blog I have read for years and has not spotted any mistakes, she seems far too young and "unprofessional" to be believed.
    Not to mention that this girl had done quite well under LKY. You know. Like her achievements. So it seems like her opinions are more based on secondary sources than her own primary source.

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    1. Thank you for your comment TheLastAurora. Whilst I don't think Jeraldine's article was perfect and I agree that there is some room for improvement for her style, I think she should have the space and freedom to explore her writing/blogging without worrying about incurring the wrath of the public. We should have an environment where young people can feel free to speak up and express themselves, find their voice and not worry too much about being judged.

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    2. I also think its a bit nitpicky to criticize her for her writing style. She's a blogger, its her style ( and she's not obligated, like a journalist) to hit any specific tone. Besides which it seems pretty clear that she ( like others) is being piled on for having the temerity & timing to bring up some thoughts that many would rather not see expressed.

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  10. Dear Limpeh

    Wanted to respond to your post – I’ve not actually done any blogging or responding and any engagement on the internet is really limited to occasional FB posting and vainpot Instagram shots. So do forgive me if I fail to follow any protocol – unspoken or otherwise.

    (1) Herd mentality of Singaporeans

    Negative responses to the Phneah post: Remember Charlie Hebdo and the whole “Je Suis Charlie” hashtag and bandwagon that the whole world rallied on? In the early stages, there was a journalist who was one of the first few disagreed with this “Je Suis Charlie” position and his writing drew criticism from another fellow journalist (of a rather high standing – some editor or academic luminary) which included name calling. The first journalist stated his disappointment at the name calling – as low and immature, and basically being contradictory to the spirit of “Je Suis Charlie” that the second journalist was expounding. (Sorry – I realise here that I am supposed to put out the links to the articles – can’t seem to find them and didn’t take the extra time to search beyond the first 5 minutes – so, yes flouting blogging protocol very early on.)

    What I am trying to illustrate is that people are just like that – it’s part of human nature. Some people are unable to articulate themselves and their ideas, and hence express their indignation in whatever way they are able to – sometimes or often inappropriately. Perhaps some people act out Godwin’s Law more quickly than others. If this can happen on a global scale, with people from western countries, who are educated, journalists no less(!), acting out in a kinda immature manner, demanding “herd” compliance to “Je Suis Charlie”, perhaps one can be more understanding and more forgiving towards the “herd” mentality that is apparently displayed in Singapore now. (this is not a “hey other people also got do what, so why we cannot” argument, but more of a plea to awareness and acknowledgement of this side of human nature, and not disparage Singaporeans more harshly that others who display the same.

    (Perhaps you do hold Singaporeans to a higher standard than others – that is comforting too  - ie. In my opinion, it feels like perhaps you think Singaporeans, through the Singaporean education system, and having grown up in a developed economic hub, should display sentiments reflecting the development of the nation and its people.)

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  11. Dear Limpeh

    Wanted to respond to your post – I’ve not actually done any blogging or responding and any engagement on the internet is really limited to occasional FB posting and vainpot Instagram shots. So do forgive me if I fail to follow any protocol – unspoken or otherwise.

    (1) Herd mentality of Singaporeans

    Negative responses to the Phneah post: Remember Charlie Hebdo and the whole “Je Suis Charlie” hashtag and bandwagon that the whole world rallied on? In the early stages, there was a journalist who was one of the first few disagreed with this “Je Suis Charlie” position and his writing drew criticism from another fellow journalist (of a rather high standing – some editor or academic luminary) which included name calling. The first journalist stated his disappointment at the name calling – as low and immature, and basically being contradictory to the spirit of “Je Suis Charlie” that the second journalist was expounding. (Sorry – I realise here that I am supposed to put out the links to the articles – can’t seem to find them and didn’t take the extra time to search beyond the first 5 minutes – so, yes flouting blogging protocol very early on.)

    What I am trying to illustrate is that people are just like that – it’s part of human nature. Some people are unable to articulate themselves and their ideas, and hence express their indignation in whatever way they are able to – sometimes or often inappropriately. Perhaps some people act out Godwin’s Law more quickly than others. If this can happen on a global scale, with people from western countries, who are educated, journalists no less(!), acting out in a kinda immature manner, demanding “herd” compliance to “Je Suis Charlie”, perhaps one can be more understanding and more forgiving towards the “herd” mentality that is apparently displayed in Singapore now. (this is not a “hey other people also got do what, so why we cannot” argument, but more of a plea to awareness and acknowledgement of this side of human nature, and not disparage Singaporeans more harshly that others who display the same.

    (Perhaps you do hold Singaporeans to a higher standard than others – that is comforting too  - ie. In my opinion, it feels like perhaps you think Singaporeans, through the Singaporean education system, and having grown up in a developed economic hub, should display sentiments reflecting the development of the nation and its people.)

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  12. Dear Limpeh

    Wanted to respond to your post – I’ve not actually done any blogging or responding and any engagement on the internet is really limited to occasional FB posting and vainpot Instagram shots. So do forgive me if I fail to follow any protocol – unspoken or otherwise.

    (1) Herd mentality of Singaporeans

    Negative responses to the Phneah post: Remember Charlie Hebdo and the whole “Je Suis Charlie” hashtag and bandwagon that the whole world rallied on? In the early stages, there was a journalist who was one of the first few disagreed with this “Je Suis Charlie” position and his writing drew criticism from another fellow journalist (of a rather high standing – some editor or academic luminary) which included name calling. The first journalist stated his disappointment at the name calling – as low and immature, and basically being contradictory to the spirit of “Je Suis Charlie” that the second journalist was expounding. (Sorry – I realise here that I am supposed to put out the links to the articles – can’t seem to find them and didn’t take the extra time to search beyond the first 5 minutes – so, yes flouting blogging protocol very early on.)

    What I am trying to illustrate is that people are just like that – it’s part of human nature. Some people are unable to articulate themselves and their ideas, and hence express their indignation in whatever way they are able to – sometimes or often inappropriately. Perhaps some people act out Godwin’s Law more quickly than others. If this can happen on a global scale, with people from western countries, who are educated, journalists no less(!), acting out in a kinda immature manner, demanding “herd” compliance to “Je Suis Charlie”, perhaps one can be more understanding and more forgiving towards the “herd” mentality that is apparently displayed in Singapore now. (this is not a “hey other people also got do what, so why we cannot” argument, but more of a plea to awareness and acknowledgement of this side of human nature, and not disparage Singaporeans more harshly that others who display the same.

    (Perhaps you do hold Singaporeans to a higher standard than others – that is comforting too  - ie. In my opinion, it feels like perhaps you think Singaporeans, through the Singaporean education system, and having grown up in a developed economic hub, should display sentiments reflecting the development of the nation and its people.)

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  13. Herd mentality in celebrating LKY ways that appear excessive and disproportionate to some: Everyone has their own worldview, based on their upbringing, their values, their personalities, experiences, etc, etc, and I think everyone is entitled to their worldview. It is fortunate if people are able to experience or understand other viewpoints outside of their personal lives and boundaries, and if not, are able to commiserate with or acknowledge those alternate viewpoints, but that is not always possible, and . Let me try to illustrate this.

    I was also a student of VJC (late 1990s batch), but I didn’t enjoy my time there – too much conformity and lack of creativity. You would probably disagree – how is that possible – there was TSD, and the people in the program were bold, creative and perhaps even provocative. I was in the S4 faculty, and didn’t experience TSD (but it would be unnecessary to go through the details of my misery in VJC.) Your experience is disjointed from mine, but we were both in VJC! But, let’s be fair- your experience does not (and should not) invalidate mine, and vice versa. VJC was basically the structure/platform on which we lived out our lives when we were 18-19 years old. For you, VJC’s TSD program allowed you to interact with like-minded people who were brought together under this TSD program. I had only 4 close friends in VJC and was mostly disengaged in this period – so, for me, whether or not I was living out my realities in VJC or another JC at the time would not have made a difference. I think perhaps, the problem lies not in the fact that we had different experiences. The problem would arise due to the other party’s close-mindedness to our viewpoints, and our indignation of having to protect the existence our own voices, experiences, and hence selves.

    In this regard, I remember LKY’s quote relating saying “no” to someone politely and with logic. If someone is unable to acknowledge with reason and logic, alternative viewpoints, it would be hard to continue engaging with that someone without some level of annoyance, contempt, “eye rolling”, or real seriousness, or perhaps one just simply stops engagement. We do it all in our lives. Am just quoting your response, “My mother worships LKY but I don't agree with my mother on most issues which is probably why we're not really on speaking terms today and I see my mother as this quite ill-informed, not very educated old lady whose views of the world are at best very old fashioned and outdated. Let's just say when I look at her, I mostly feel sorry for her and wish there was a way to protect her from her own folly. She may worship LKY but I certainly am not gonna ape her since I don't really trust her to do most things for herself and have zero faith in her judgement even on a good day. “(Please don’t be offended, as I have no intention to judge, and am merely observing and linking our points of debate to reality.)

    Once again, it boils down to basic human nature, and I think one should not be too surprised about this.

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    1. Hi there Alexis, you make a fair point about about our VJC experience and you're right - widening that to the wider context of Singaporean society, there are a whole range of Singaporean experiences and we're all entitled to our own responses. I like what you said, "Your experience is disjointed from mine, but we were both in VJC! But, let’s be fair- your experience does not (and should not) invalidate mine, and vice versa."

      As for my relationship with my mother, I could speak about it now but have used her as an example in a draft in a post that I have crafted last night. Look out for that - it will explain a lot to you about the nature of my relationship with her. I did bemoan to my sister that my mother and I barely talk any more and she showed little interest in my life and my sister told me that it wasn't the distance that was the factor actually, she's in Singapore and their conversations are also very limited. What can I say - you don't get to choose your parents. I can't force my mother to take any slightest bit of interest in her own children.

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    2. Hi Alexis, Alex. Both of you raised something interesting which gels with a conversation I had with my partner and a group of older extended family members. They were all from the pioneer or baby boomer generation. They were growing up in that period where massive changes were taking place where you have a populace that was largely semi literate or even uneducated. The LKY style to them was the exact style of leadership required. You do not discuss about civic society, you do not debate ideologies, you certainly do not discuss about rights. They chose cold hard pragmatism. As my mother will say, you can use a 2 way conversation style that aims to educate both parties provided the conversation partner is sufficiently educated, mature and aware. When you have to deal with a "kwai lan" type (colloquial hokkien term, there is no exact English term but it roughly means having an attitude problem that cannot be managed using rational explanations), loving education and explanations (爱的教育) will not work. You wield the hard knuckle dusters. The mass populace according to mum and the extended family members belonged to the "kwai lan" category. They certainly have little interests in rights and equality when food and lodgings were the priority. To them, LKY was a hero and although his policies and methods had indeed destroyed some of his opponents and marginalised some people, the overall feel was that he and his team indeed worked hard to improve the infrastructure of Singapore. As they actually witnessed and grew up in the thick of the development, they FELT the impact.

      This will probably contrast with some Gen X and the younger Gen Y/Z where our understanding of LKY would have came from history books, memoirs and stories. For myself, I could appreciate what he has done and certainly have a lot of respect for his intelligence and oratorical delivery skills. However, the respect is primarily intellectual while for those from my parents and extended clan, it also went deep into the emotional. When the emotional is involved, let us just say that being objective and rational goes out. They grew up in an environment where they didn't debate, it was just survival, any disagreement that threatens the stability and survival will trigger a massive personal lash out.

      I suspect that is why when Jeraldine Phneah and yourself wrote in such a factual and matter of fact way, it will not go down very well with these people. In terms of the soft skills and critical thinking, Singapore is still in a very early infancy stage. LKY and his old guards have established the hardware, the infrastructure, the transport and housing. It is up to the second / third generation of leaders and younger Singaporeans to further develop the soft ware, the civic society discourse and equal rights and freedom of expression now that the physiological needs have been successfully set by the pioneer generation.

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  14. (2) Conformity
    Again, I think this is related to human nature – we are all defined by our roles that have been shaped by societal norms – see “Lucifer effect” by Philip Zimbardo, and the Stanford Prison Experiment. Admittedly, as a society, Singapore demands more conformity from its people to authority. Yet there are many differing forms of conformity or non-conformity, and how it is viewed is dependent on scale, an individuals’ worldview and etc. (My apologies – I am experiencing fatigue in writing – and will possibly start floundering and getting lazy – infringing on another blogger protocol perhaps?) I think bureaucracy is inherent anywhere; man is ultimately a social creature; and I am wanting to read David Graeber’s latest book on this. I tend to view is as – know the rules intimately now in the formative learning years so you would be able to break them later – (postulated by some jazz musician, from my memory – again getting lazy to google). The great hope in this is that the spirit of playfulness, inventiveness and etc does not get irrevocably crushed in the meanwhile, but let’s also recognise that there are more sheep than sheepdogs, more “mob” than leaders, more users than inventors.

    On your point on the conformity in NS - I would like to write to you privately on this if you are willing to hear me out - as I think it’s quite difficult to articulate this here. There are, I believe, very good reasons for the need for NS – which could be controversial, and I am not willing to state this explicitly. BTW, I am a female, and my views are not coloured by personal military experience.

    (3) Phneah’s comments

    At the point, I am unable to continue writing as there are other things that require my attention and effort – hello kiddo! (So, please forgive the sloppiness on my part).

    There was a point I wanted to make regarding Phneah’s opinion that LKY shouldn’t be considered the only founding father and that Singapore was not really that far backwards as to justify the professed herculean effort in nation building. It’s akin to saying to an obese person who say, lost 20kg from 120kg to 100kg, who used to be a couch potato to a competitive body builder. First phase - perhaps the obese person used to be 140kg, and had broken his leg in an accident and gained lots of weight but through moderate exercise, he lost 20kg and could jog again. That was not certainly not easy. Second phase – not just being able to jog, but dreaming and working to becoming a competitive body builder – that is gruelling, requiring discipline at all times, requiring tenacity, seeking help and consultations with nutritionists and coaches, having to never give up the big dream when milestones are reached (i.e. being comfortable being muscular and fit, but not meeting requirements for competition), consistently pushing oneself towards greater and greater heights etc.

    I personally think there is not much consideration given to the effort to second phase – on the part of Phneah – although she reserves the right to her opinions. She welcomes comments, yet I didn’t feel the need to voice my opinions as it doesn’t really make a difference in the greater scheme of things, and I am also wanted to avoid backlash and other sorts of inconveniences that would impact my emotions.

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  15. Facts are facts – an article can be well-researched and factual, but the main thing is the emotional response that are elucidated through the writings. When emotions are involved – it will get messy, irrational, and unpredictable. Not everyone can articulate their emotions, and not everyone are comfortable doing so honestly. As LKY also said – it’s not just what I say that is important, but your response to what I am saying (lifted from the numerous CNA clips showing on TV these days) – let’s -remember nothing is value-free, and that values are not homogenous and not easily ranked in terms of superiority.

    Best regards.


    (PS sorry for leaving so many messages - apparently there is a character limit, and comments remain hidden till approved by you - I have NO idea - oops.)

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    1. Hi Alexis, I do get junk mail and spam posting: all popular blogs get spam messages trying to lead you to some dodgy website. Thus it is necessary for me to approve the messages, rather than wake up every morning and delete the spam messages. It's more tidy that way - it also discourages the spammers when they realize the system I am operating (but they just keep trying anyway)...

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  16. Hi limpehft, I fully agree with your article. Though I am not a Singaporean, yes, having lived in Singapore for 13 years, I have seen some rigidity in Singapore education. Yes, I agree some subjects you have to follow certain template, model answers otherwise you will be penalized. There is lack of creativity among Singaporeans just because we have to conform the rules. Yes, I understand the issue at your primary school. With the increasing intensity of meritocracy, some people tend to.report the bad things of their friends or colleagues just to get credit for themselves.

    With regards to lky, yes, if we do not analyze his life now, when will that be? Even lky said, assess the person when he is already in his grave.

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  17. I agree with you, limpehft. Though I am not a Singaporean, I had seen instances of rigidity when it comes to conforming. Like you said, if you do not follow given template , model answers or the like, you will be penalized. That's why there is lack of creativity and maybe critical thinking or mind because of conforming word for word without proper understanding.

    I agree with the lky analysis. Even lee had said, assess the person when he is already in his grave.

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  18. 1. Her title went straight to the crux of what she wants to explain, without the redundancy of your suggested title. What's wrong if she is doing it for attention as long as she has something which she feels useful to share with others? Why question motivation which is here largely irrelevant to the subject raised? 2. What are you talking about? She first stated her facts to form the basis for her opinions, which she gave. Isn't that the way everybody should present an argument? Yes, nobody should believe everything they read - one has to be judicious but no one can check and authenticate everything, including common knowledge - and from primary source? 3. Perhaps she uses singlish colloquialisms like lah for emotional connection with her readers - nothing wrong her. Don't nitpick. And what has age got to do with the truth of what she has to say and why should young be equated to being "unprofessional" William Pitt, one of Britain's great PMs was only 24 when he assumed office and LKY was 35 when he became PM in 1959. What's doing well under LKY got to do with the truth of what she said? What "secondary" and what "primary" sources are you talking about? She's not writing a PhD thesis.

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    1. Thank you =) Love this sentence the most "She's not writing a PhD thesis"

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  19. Hey there! This is an interesting read. Here's my take and response to some of the points being raised:

    1) Using NS as an example doesn’t really help support this angle. A military has to be conformist, it is a characteristic not specific to the Singapore Armed Forces. Problem is, as opposed to most professional military forces in many first-world nations (the U.S., for example), all Singaporean Sons have to go through this rite of passage. Perhaps this could be why the perceived effects of brain-washed conformity is more widespread.

    2) During the early days of nation-building, to do the things we have achieved within a generation requires conformity. Some will agree with how this had been enforced, some will continue to disagree, others yet might have been scarred by its implementation. Our parents’ generation, or more popularly known now as the Pioneer generation, are the people most influenced by these policies. As the 2nd generation - people in the workforce right now - many of our mindsets and behaviours are inevitably shaped by our family. Values being passed down that had made sense to your and my parents may no longer apply today, but as children we have still been steeped in it thanks to many of our parents and grandparents. Some of us managed to strike out on a different path , chasing our own ideologies that for the moment may seem oddly out-of-the-norm, but I dare say that within 1 more generation, it will no longer be so odd. The average Singaporean will evolve and change with the times - it is inevitable, and probably for the better. Nobody is trying to stop this evolution. We are complaining now because we sometimes forget how short a time has elapsed between those tumultuous pre-independence years and now. We are growing up, and maturity will come. Even if “being different” isn’t commonplace (which is kind of oxymoronic, really) yet, I am sure we are on a trajectory on being more so.

    I do share some of your frustrations. However, I am hopeful we are on the right track. You are asking the right questions, and already there are many others out there doing likewise. What we must not get stuck in is debate for the sake of being agreed with - that is an exercise in futility. You must hold on to your convictions because you think it is the right thing to do. And be ready to be judged by your actions, not just by your words.

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    1. Dear Miss P, thanks for your comment. Allow me to respond please.

      1. Firstly, with regards to NS, I don't think you really understand what it was like to go through NS as you're clearly a woman who doesn't need to do NS. My whole point about the 'model answer' during that exam was that they were far more interested in punishing me for not memorizing the model answer than actually checking if I understood the syllabus. Likewise, for the people who merely memorized the answers to the questions - they were essentially acting like photocopiers: there was no attempt to process the information or use any critical thinking to demonstrate that they have true mastery of the subject. Perhaps I had just come fresh from VJC, where I had been challenged by my excellent teachers to always demonstrate critical thinking and understanding and thrust into an environment where you're really expected to turn off your brain and do as you're told, allow yourself to be herded like sheep. The problem is however, as you can see, I suspected that I was probably the only person in that entire course who actually bothered to use any brain power when it came to that exam - what does that tell you about the quality of the training in the SAF then and if this is the culture in the SAF, what kind of people are running the SAF if that's their mindset? I was not acting like a spoilt brat who didn't want to wear the uniform or demanded better living conditions - I was almost guilty of acting like the over-eager student who wanted to please the teacher by studying really hard for an exam and trying to do very well in it (sorry, you can't take the Singaporean mugger-student out of me, even in the army). I'm afraid you fall into the mindset of the 'Benevolent egg' (please read: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/singapores-benevolent-egg.html ) where you try hard to justify anything and everything that goes wrong in Singapore and convince yourself, "it can't be, there must be a good reason for this, I trust the government / the PAP / the SAF / god etc" and you simply refuse to accept that things can actually go quite wrong in your world.

      2. Those of us who can't wait for change to come have long left - like me.

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    2. Let me first preamble this by saying thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences in your well written and insightful posts.

      I read and re-read Miss P, and your reply as well as your Benevolent egg blog. I very much agree with your representation of the Benevolent egg world view that the older generation of Chinese – such as your mother – sees the world or would like to see the world. It is a comfortable, ordered Confucian world view that has for millennia structured the Chinese intellectual universe.

      However, I don’t think Miss P, in her comments, is exhibiting such a mindset or trying in any way to justify or excuse the PAP government. She’s just trying to explain why Singaporeans have developed such a herd mentality (because of our Confucian heritage, national service and not least LKY’s “hammer-every-nail-into-compliance, all-power-unto-me” nation building project – which is why, if you are so dismayed by Singapore’s herd mentality, you should not respect LKY as deeply as you profess). She’s actually on the same page as you and, while urging patience, is actually quite optimistic that it’s a phase from which Singapore will soon emerge from (in fact, way more optimistic than me).

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    3. Hi Guineapug and thanks for your comment. And thank you so much for reading!

      I don't mean to fly off the handle with her (or any of my readers) - it's just that I get genuinely frustrated when I have a woman trying to explain to me what I experienced in NS. (See our further exchange below where I gave the full story.) My point was that I was certainly NOT in any way a soldier than needed to be made to conform and follow orders. Please, there were these spoilt brat with attitude problems - I was not one of them. If anything, I was only too eager to please by studying harder than anyone else for that exam and giving much higher quality answers to go far above and beyond what was demanded of me in that exam, to demonstrate a much deeper understanding for the syllabus. Ironically, by that token, by trying much harder than everyone else, I didn't conform.

      The mentality in the SAF amongst those who are just biding their time, waiting to finish NS is this: just do enough to get by, don't try too hard, don't stand out for any reason, don't get noticed, keep your head down, blend in and conform. You see, I had broken that rule by trying much harder than the rest, by delivering a much better performance than the rest and thus I was punished for being better than the rest.

      On one hand, I was disappointed that the SAF didn't even recognize my effort to try hard and do well for the exam - there was absolutely nothing in the system to reward those who tried harder than the rest and their default response was, "don't try so hard, why did you try to work so hard?" It makes no sense whatsoever. Imagine if it was in a JC or secondary school and one student performed far better in a maths exam than the rest of the students - would you then tell that student, everyone else scored around 60-70%, what is wrong with you? Why did you score 95%? How dare you be different from everyone else? If you study that hard again, I will punish you with detention for being so clever. Can you see what is so screwed up about the system here?

      So for Miss P to go on and on about conformity and following orders ... no, she is totally barking up the wrong tree and I would humbly ask her to allow me as the former soldier to tell her what was wrong with the system having been through it myself.

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    4. (This is my second attempt at getting my comments on your comments on Miss P through. Hope you are not preventing it)

      Let me first preamble this by saying thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences in your well written and insightful posts.

      I read and re-read Miss P, and your reply as well as your Benevolent egg blog. I very much agree with your representation of the Benevolent egg world view that the older generation of Chinese – such as your mother – sees the world or would like to see the world. It is a comfortable, ordered Confucian world view that has for millennia structured the Chinese intellectual universe.

      However, I don’t think Miss P, in her comments, is exhibiting such a mindset or trying in any way to justify or excuse the PAP government. She’s just trying to explain why Singaporeans have developed such a herd mentality (because of our Confucian heritage, national service and not least LKY’s “hammer-every-nail-into-compliance, all-power-unto-me” nation building project – which is why, if you are so dismayed by Singapore’s herd mentality, you should not respect LKY as deeply as you profess). She’s actually on the same page as you and, while urging patience, is actually quite optimistic that it’s a phase from which Singapore will emerge from (in fact, way more optimistic than me).

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    5. Guineapug, I am not censoring your comments. You are not familiar with the somewhat clumsy system of loading comments on Blogspot so let me explain.

      It is fairly straight forward until we hit 50 comments on a post. Then on, to loads the comments, you need to follow these steps:

      1. Load the page - this will load the first 50 comments.
      2. Scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page (press page down until you get to the very very end).
      3. Look for the words 'Load More' in blue - it is rather small and not very obvious.
      4. Once you press 'load more', it will load the 51st to the 100th comment.
      5. Currently, you last comment was around the 60th one - hence it will not appear until you do this step.
      6. Once we hit 100 comments (rare but it does happens), then you have to click on 'load more' twice as each time it will only load 50 comments.

      Is it clear now? I have no control over this function as I am merely using blogger's system.

      I have no reason to censor or block you as you've not posted anything that I has upset me. Heck, even when people launch a personal attack at me, I would usually approve the comment and then give as good as I get.

      There are only two reasons for me to block a comment: a) when the person is clearly a spammer and the comment is totally irrelevant to the post I wrote and b) when the person is a troll and hell bent on picking a fight with me (it has actually happened a few times) and that's when I back away from a fight as I have better things to do with my time.

      I hope this clarifies the issue.

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  20. Hi there! Thank you for taking time and replying. I wasn't sure if you were going to with the number of comments streaming in.

    I wasn't trying to defend the state of things. Like I said, I've been frustrated by the same things that you've raised. Perhaps I wasn't clear, but those were merely points I was raising as observations and suggestions of why things are the way they are. Yes, I am definitely a woman who didn't experience the rigors of NS. But I am married to a man who has and a friend to many others like him. My point is your frustration with the example of the model answer is echoed by all of us. But knowing a friend who has served in the US military, being stripped of your personality and willfulness to become, literally, a foot soldier, is exactly what every military does. It's almost always the first thing they so - beating you down that you're stripped of will to resist, so that men will follow your order to dash into a killing field to murder other men - that is at the heart it. I am merely pointing out that this isn't confined to the SAF. You would fine methods that are shocking elsewhere. Our men's predicament is that they have no choice about entering the army and being subjected to this mindlessness. I would be going nuts, were I in your shoes.

    I am glad you've found your place outside of Singapore, and I don't mean that sardonically.

    All the best :)

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    1. Hello Peishan. Allow me to give you a little bit more information about what happened with regards to the exam I took, then you will see why your argument is simply not valid.

      I was sent on a course to learn how to operate a piece of weapon - there was a theory exam and a practical exam. We are talking about the theory exam here and we were told quite clearly what we would be tested on and which parts of the textbook to memorize for the model answers. Perhaps I was a bit young and naive and I thought, when else in my life am I going to learn about a machine like that which such destructive power, probably never again (and I was right). So I actually did study the textbook in detail, far beyond what was required of me to pass the exam. What everyone else did was merely memorize the model answers to pass the exams.

      It was clear to me at least that of all the soldiers, I had demonstrated the best understanding for the syllabus - but the problem was that the examiner made zero effort in making sure that the other soldiers (who did just copy out the model answers in the exam) had any real understanding of how the weapon operates, what to do if the weapon malfunctions, etc - how safe do you feel knowing that this is the quality of the training?

      I'm think we're going down two completely different paths here Peishan - my issue here is not about compliance and following orders (whilst you seem pretty darn determined to impress upon me that it was the case when it clearly wasn't). My issue here is that in my experience, the quality of the training really sucked from a technical point of view, nobody gave a shit about making sure that you actually understood how to use the weapon or how it works - they just wanted to make sure that everyone "passed the exam" so they can then move on to the next batch of trainees (whether or not you actually knew how to use the weapon or not was not of consequence to them).

      Believe you me, during my time in NS, I have seen my fair share of 'attitude problem' cases - mostly spoilt brats who refused to comply with orders. I can tell you for a fact that I was not one of them - I have blogged a LOT about my NS days and if you were to read my NS stories, you can see that I was the kind of soldier who just wanted to work hard, keep my head down and get through NS peacefully without making any fuss. This is why I resent it when you try to misinterpret the event that I experienced when you really don't have the full details of what happened - and I'm like, please lah Peishan, you weren't there - it was my experience, so can you just let me tell my story instead of trying to tell me what actually happened when you were certainly not there? I found your attitude somewhat ... presumptuous really.

      This was NEVER EVER about training soldiers to kill or comply. I can tell you all about that some day if you wish to indulge me. This was about how they were completely unable to deal with someone who was willing to try harder than the others - that's right, sometimes you can refuse to comply by working harder and trying harder than the others and that can make you stick out like a sore thumb as well in somewhere like the SAF. In any case, I learnt my lesson and stopped trying too hard after that.

      I don't mean this in a condescending way - but the army experience is far more f**ked up than most guys will actually let on; but because they wanna appear as big, butch, tough, strong men in front of you, they won't actually tell you the truth 90% of the time. It's this whole Asian thing about saving face, Peishan.

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  21. Hi there! Thank you for taking time and replying. I wasn't sure if you were going to with the number of comments streaming in.

    I wasn't trying to defend the state of things. Like I said, I've been frustrated by the same things that you've raised. Perhaps I wasn't clear, but those were merely points I was raising as observations and suggestions of why things are the way they are. Yes, I am definitely a woman who didn't experience the rigors of NS. But I am married to a man who has and a friend to many others like him. My point is your frustration with the example of the model answer is echoed by all of us. But knowing a friend who has served in the US military, being stripped of your personality and willfulness to become, literally, a foot soldier, is exactly what every military does. It's almost always the first thing they so - beating you down that you're stripped of will to resist, so that men will follow your order to dash into a killing field to murder other men - that is at the heart it. I am merely pointing out that this isn't confined to the SAF. You would fine methods that are shocking elsewhere. Our men's predicament is that they have no choice about entering the army and being subjected to this mindlessness. I would be going nuts, were I in your shoes.

    I am glad you've found your place outside of Singapore, and I don't mean that sardonically.

    All the best :)

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  22. About the Sandy incident:

    "the students in the class were more than happy to get Sandy into trouble despite the fact that she really did not do anything to anyone else. No one actually asked Sandy, "what are you drinking?" Yet the other students shouted to the teacher as if she had done something really bad, without even taking a moment to consider if they were actually justified in doing so."

    The way I see it, one more reason why the students went to the teacher straight away instead of clarifying with Sandy first is the fact that most teachers will reprimand students talking to each other while the teacher was conducting class. Having spent some time in the classroom, both as a student and as a relief/assistant teacher, I have heard teachers telling any talking students, "Why are you talking with your friend while I am teaching? If it is THAT important, you should tell me!"

    Dial that up a few notches you have people reporting non-conformists to the police rather than talk with them. That's how we were taught since primary school! :(

    Junjie

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    1. Hi Junjie,

      There are two ways to look at the point you made: firstly, sure - if it is something that is drilled into our mindset from a certain age, then it is hardwired into your brain and becomes a hard habit to break. On the other hand, kids in primary school have to ask teacher for permission to even go to the toilet. As adults in the work place, no we don't do that - heck, our bosses trust us to go when we need to go, come back when we need to come back and function like responsible adults who can be trusted to get the job done and not waste time playing with the taps in the toilet. (I kid you not, I remember an incident in primary one when two boys went to the toilet and started splashing water on each other - they then returned to class looking really quite wet and couldn't explain themselves.)

      So Junjie, since we're no longer primary school kids, surely we can all grow up and function like sensible adults rather than still stick by all the rules that governed us in primary school - given that as adults, we're a lot older, wiser and more sensible than primary school kids?

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  23. About Jeraldine, she has no need to censor herself. This is especially considering that she already stated it to begin with. Why censor what you already set out to express? Those haters and commentators are the ones who should take a hard look at themselves and their inability to accept alternative points of view.

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  24. I was about 17 when operation spectrum resulted in those hapless church / social workers being detained without trial. I remember thinking marxist plot to overthrow the government by force ?? It just did not sound believable becos the economy was growing and the commies in malaysia were a spent force. When my parents and i attended my cousin's birthday party , my uncles and aunts were talking about it in hushed tones . I told them i just did not believe the government story becos it does makes no sense for the commies to take over spore only for malaysia to invade spore .tactically , it makes no sense. I remember the shocked silence and then my aunt pulled me over and told never to express those views to anyone outside the family. That was when i had my first clue that pap had instilled fear in my parents's generation.

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