Thursday 22 January 2015

8 questions for students choosing their future careers

Hello! I have been chatting with a reader of mine who is still a teenager and figuring out what he wants to do with his future career. He comes across as a very bright and ambitious young man. Whilst he is asking plenty of good questions, I can't help but feel that sometimes he is also asking the wrong questions. To be fair, it's pretty much impossible for a young person who is still in school to try to figure all this out without first having had any real work experience. I remember when I was that age and much of what I knew of the working world was gleamed from TV and movies (and that was hardly a realistic depiction of reality - it was all hyped up in the name of entertainment). But therein lies a double whammy: students at that age have to decide what they want to study at university which will either point them in a certain direction or exclude certain options for them. Talk about a confusing time to place young people under so much pressure! Here are eight questions for you to ask yourself to help you figure out all this out.
What kind of career do you want?

1. What makes you happy in life?

This seems like a pretty obvious question but one that few people actually bother to ask themselves. Particularly in the context of Singapore (where about half of my readers are from), most young people think about going into finance, law or medicine simply because these are considered prestigious career paths. Not many actually think out of the box and are willing to try something different. But if you embark on a career that is not suited to you, then you will struggle to perform well in your job because your heart would be wishing you were doing something else instead. Here's a common mistake that young people make: too often, they try to draw a correlation between what their subjects in school and their possible career options. It doesn't work like that - just because someone is good at mathematics doesn't mean that s/he will enjoy spending a lifetime being an accountant. Can we include happiness in the equation?

Instead, take a moment and think about what you would choose to do if say, it was a Saturday afternoon and you had a couple of hours free. Where would you go for a good time? Who are the friends you would like to see? What are the activities that you would prefer to do? Might you choose to go shopping for clothes? Catch up with some old friends for coffee? Would you prefer to do sports? What would make you have a most enjoyable Saturday afternoon? The answer to these questions would ultimately tell you a lot more about what you would be good at rather than your results at school for a simple reason. Choosing a career related to your hobbies and interest would mean every single working day turning out to be that free Saturday afternoon dedicated to the activity of your choice - how about that for a formula for happiness? And who said you had to be a banker, lawyer or doctor just to be rich and successful? Too many people pick those traditional paths to make their parents happy - but consider with: what makes you happy?
Let me give you an example: I have a friend from secondary who was a real movie buff. We would sit and talk about the latest movies we have seen and clearly, there was something about the magic of cinema that made him very happy. We went to different JCs and lost touch after I moved to the UK. As we got back in touch years later via Facebook, I found out that he had established a highly successful company promoting the latest movies. On a trip back to Singapore, I tagged along with him one evening after Centrepoint on Orchard Road - after the shopping mall was shut to the public, his team covered the entire central foyer with Smurfs decorations and created a little Smurfs village, ready for a few days of promotions there to promote the latest Smurfs movie. This was part of his Smurfs roadshow which would tour the malls of Singapore. I then visited his office-factory-warehouse in the east of Singapore where he had this huge room filled with paraphernalia from many different movies he had promoted over the years - this was a man living his dream, turning his passion into his career. Oh and he has a swimming pool right by his office (which he owns) as he reckoned, "if I'm gonna spend so much time in the office, I may as well have a pool there."

2. What kind of person are you? What is your personality like?

Some people crave structure in their lives. Others hate it. It all boils down to your personality. I have met people who plan every single detail of their lives with such detail - my friend Marie could even tell me what meal she would make two Fridays from now. Why? Because she could then have reminders in her diary to shop in advance, so she would have the right ingredients in the fridge to cook with the moment she got home from work and there would be no rude surprises like, "oh no, I don't have any carrots for the salad." I'm the total opposite. When it comes to meal times, I would rummage through my fridge, dig deep into my freezer and make the best of whatever I could find in there. But trust me, I still eat well enough as I would never let my fridge go empty! (And I am so greedy and I love good food.)
I'm not someone who tries to plan my meals in advance...

Marie would never go to a supermarket without first having made a shopping list and she would stick to that shopping list really strictly because according to her, "why bother making a list if you're not going to use it?" In contrast, you should see what I am like in a big supermarket. I would run around without a plan, looking for anything that is new, anything that is on offer and sometimes I would buy too much. I am at my worst at the big Asian supermarkets in Chinatown, where I would be dazzled by the range of Asian food products on sale there and thank goodness they don't offer trolleys there (only baskets), as I would have to stop myself once my basket is full. I could linger for 30, even 45 minutes in a big supermarket, whilst Marie is in and out in 10 minutes flat.

Marie and I both enjoy traveling - but we approach our travel completely differently. She has already booked her summer holidays for August 2015 - she knows when her kids will be on summer holidays and she knows the window period where they can travel. She has done her research and has settled for a five-star family friend resort in the south of Spain. Thus she has the peace of mind that it has all been booked, the dates are clearly in her diary and her whole family can relax and look forward to that lovely holiday this August. I am a total opposite. I cannot plan to travel in advance like that because I am self-employed and I never really know I am free to travel until the very last minute. Then I would jump onto websites like Skyscanner and Lastminute.com to try to book a last minute deal, often within just a few days of my departure. Thank goodness the last minute travel market does offer some really good deals.
Marie's background is in accountancy - her job is run audits of companies. When a company is subject to an audit, Marie's team would swoop in and go through the books with a fine comb and make sure that everything is in order. That is why structure is so important for her - she explained that during an audit, she cannot possible go through each and every single figure presented to her (it would take way too long), so instead she looks for patterns and she spots deviations from the patterns. Anyone trying to sneak something past the auditor would usually try to cover his/her tracks, so Marie's attention to detail is put to the test every day during these audits. It is hardly surprising that this trait which enables her to do her job well is reflected in her personality. I could never do what Marie does - it is so totally at odds with the kind of person I am! Often, our personalities determine the kind of lifestyle that we lead and if you are forced into a career that doesn't match your character, then it would be like squeezing a round peg into a square hole - it just wouldn't work out and it will make you miserable. Life is too short to be miserable!

To be fair, Marie isn't just some kinda control freak. She is a mother with two lovely children and for her, it is very important to have that level of structure and predictability in her routine, so that she can dedicate herself to being there for her children whilst holding down a full time job. Time management is so important to her when she is trying to balance motherhood and a very senior position at her company. Some people at this point may suggest the Meyers-Briggs test: but I say, a lot of this is so obvious and down to common sense. You don't need to be some kind of psychology expert to figure out Marie's character and how she is different from me - you should know yourself pretty well. Just follow your instincts and do not force yourself to do something you are clearly not comfortable with.
Time management is so important for working mums.

3. What are you good at? And what do you suck at?

Sorry to state the obvious, but this is a question that you need to ask yourself. What are you good at? Where do your talents lie? I am aghast at the number of young people who pick certain careers because they are either prestigious or lucrative - but hold on a second,. Let's say you want to become a lawyer because it is both prestigious and lucrative, right: are you going to be any good as a lawyer though? Because if you are not, you could struggle through law school with below average grades, fail to find a job as a lawyer then your law degree becomes a white elephant as you end up doing something else totally unrelated to law. This is actually a very difficult question to answer as students as so much of a student's life revolves around studying for exams and that couldn't be further removed from the real world.

This is why it is extremely important for students to try to get as much work experience as possible to try to get a taste of the working world: internships are particularly useful in this aspect but don't forget that any kind of part time work during your time as a student will also help you discover what you are good at and more importantly, what you are really bad at. For example, I have come across three people over the years who are absolutely terrified of any kind of public speaking. They are the kinds of people who would prefer to work alone and if possible, communicate with others only via email rather than have to speak to another human being. It's not like they're stupid. Maybe they are shy, maybe they lack the communication skills, maybe they just don't like talking to people - but in any case, forcing them into a role which will involve public speaking would simply make them extremely uncomfortable and unhappy.
What are your strengths and weaknesses?

4. Do you wish to move to another country? 

This comes up time and again on my blog. If you wish to move to another country, the simplest way to do so is to get a visa as a skilled migrant. One of my readers Choaniki has decided to give up a lucrative and successful career in IT in order to retrain as a healthcare professional because he wants to move to the west. It is not easy to get a visa as a skilled migrant via the IT route but it is extremely easy to get it via the medical professional route. It seems a bit of a shame for him to give up IT after having climbed that career ladder for so many years, but then again, I am sure he will be just as successful in his new career and I wish him all the best. So if moving abroad is on the agenda for you, then it is necessary to think two steps ahead and select a degree programme that will put you squarely on the highly skilled migrant's list for the country of your choice. Even if you are not entirely sure where you wish to spend your adult life, it is good to at least hedge your bets by knowing that you are working towards a profession that will allow you to waltz into most Western countries who crave such highly skilled professionals.

5. Are you keeping an open mind for new opportunities?

I think it is extremely vital to be flexible because there are a lot of new opportunities that may pop up along the way and could be missing out on some golden opportunities if you are simply too rigid to change your plans at the last minute! My friends who work with technology are very familiar with this. My friend Chris who works in IT offered me his opinion on this, "How many of us had smart phones 10 years ago?  Never mind having tablet devices, the functions our mobile phones offered back then were so limited compared to the current generation of smart phones. Who knows what our mobile devices would be like in 2020 or 2025? You never know what new device may hit the market this year or next and whilst it is a very exciting industry to be in, you can't really plan too far in advance for anything because something that is cutting age today may become obsolete by the end of the year when the next big thing comes along and takes the market by storm. Hence we must be very flexible in such an exciting and unpredictable environment."
It is hard to plan for the future when technology advances so quickly.

6. What kind of working environment would suit you?

Not everyone likes the idea of working in an office. Some people prefer to be outdoors, some people cannot sit still for more than 10 minutes, others prefer having a more disciplined work environment where they can truly feel like they are in 'work mode'. I have done it all - I have worked in an office where I would be stuck in that chair from 9 am to at least 6 pm everyday. I have also worked in environments where I am on my feet all the time and I do not even have a chair and I am currently self-employed, that means I am either working from home or I am on the client's site. My friend Matt is a teacher (you can read my interview with him here) and he enjoys the classroom environment very much - however, some people may be rather put off my that same environment, especially if they have not had a good experience as students. As for myself, I know that there are certain kinds of people and environments that I especially detest and can't stand, so I would go out of my way to avoid them.

7. Do you prefer working in a team or as an individual?

This is actually such a basic, fundamental trait - it is not about being sociable or popular, but some people just have better skills to handle the dynamics of a group whilst others get annoyed when they are unable to control the actions of others. Are you a team player? Do you have leadership skills? Or you more of a follower or a leader? Or are you a lone wolf who just wants to be left alone to get on with your work without anyone bothering you? Now it is not impossible to go against your character and do the complete opposite if your job demands it, but let me tell you a little bit about my experience in NS. Now I am a lone wolf - oh no doubt about that. I like to be able to change my plans, alter the design on my project on a whim without consulting anyone and work when I feel like working. But in my unit during NS, almost everything I did dependent on the corporation of others. I managed to cope, I bit my tongue when I got annoyed, I felt irritated but said nothing when others did not pull their weight in a team - in short, I couldn't wait to finish my NS because I hated being forced to work with others like that. No, that environment did not suit me at all.
Are you a team player or a lone wolf?

I spent most of my life training gymnastics - now this is such a lone wolf sport where there is virtually no element of team work. Having spent thousands of hours training pretty much on my own in the gym over the years, I am very used to shutting out the rest of the world, eliminating any kind of distractions when I need to focus at the task at hand. That's just the way I have been conditioned to work by gymnastics. So don't feel bad if you're not great at this whole team work thing - yeah people wax lyrical all the time about soft skills and team work but if you are essentially a lone wolf at the end of the day (like me), then I assure you that there are plenty of roles out there which do suit lone wolves. Yes I have worked in situations where I have had to participate in team work before, but there's really nothing wrong with expressing a preference to work on one's own if given a choice.

8. Are there successful working adults whom you can talk to?

Lastly, for you students reading this, it is vital that you get the chance to speak to someone about the career you have in mind. For example, if you wish to become a doctor, then how about trying to find a doctor who will gladly talk to you about what it is like to work in a hospital? If you wish to become a pilot, then where are you getting your information from in order to make an informed decision about your choice? You see, many people don't like to divulge too much information about their working lives - they may gladly share their achievements and talk about the nicer aspect of their jobs that they enjoy if it makes them look good. But will they ever be brutally honest about the aspects of their jobs that they hate? I see a lot of teenagers simply gleam information from films, TV programmes and the internet about their dream career but they rarely ever speak to a real human being about it. Even if you don't quite know what you want to do, there's no harm in speaking to a working adult who may be able to help point you in the right direction.
It is always good to talk to people and get some pearls of wisdom.

So that's eight important questions that should help point you in the right direction once you have taken the time to answer them all. Even if you already do have a very good idea of what career you desire, it doesn't hurt to go through these eight questions just to confirm to yourself that you have made the right choice. As always, I am always keen to hear from you on this issue - if you are a working adult, how did you decide what kind of profession you wanted? Are there any mistakes that you wish you could have avoided? If you are a student, what are some of your most pressing concerns in this process? I'm sure there is plenty we can all talk about. Leave a comment below, thanks for reading.

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  1. Hi Limpeh,

    i've been a long term fan of your simple and entertaining writing style and how you weave in your personal anecdotes (it is really interesting, how many times you make connections from school stories to themes dealing with adult issues). As a fresh grad who started working recently, i've also enjoyed your "series" like those on working life, university life and fashion. Seeing this post makes me hopeful in making a request for blog posts with your take on tech/engineering stuff :)

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    1. Hi there - I am glad u like my writing. I am always happy to take requests :) Can you be more specific about what issues you would like me to cover in terms of tech - engineering stuff? It's not my background so I would need to probably interview and engineer.

      Also, I will make another point about why I am so found of primary school references - but later :) Gotta dash to dinner now.

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    2. Why do I make so many primary school references? Here are a few reasons.

      1. I grew up in Singapore but I left Singapore after I finished NS. So my memories of Singapore are either from my NS days or from my student days. So I want to make any references to Singapore or use a Singaporean case study, I would be drawing upon my student or NS experiences.

      2. I remember when my dad used to say, "da ren de shi ni men xiao hai zi bu hui ming bai" (you kids cannot understand the affairs of us adults). I disagree, many children exhibit behavioural traits that are so similar to adults. We do not change that much as people when we grow from kids to adulthood. So that's my way of showing that kids are more that capable of understanding what adults do and that it is wrong to pretend that someone you have to be an adult to understand what adults go through.

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    3. HI Limpeh, i seem to notice that interesting people usually have a high opinion of the potential of children, whereas those who are - usually - not so clever tend to talk down to them and belittle their intelligence, as if subconsciously insecure somehow. Or maybe it's just me :)

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    4. Well, i get all the latest technical know-how at Hacker News. I'm more interested in your personal view of what kind of social upheaval software and automation will bring about in the next few years. I can't speak all of us techies, but most of us live in our own bubble :)

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    5. Of course:) paradox of choice :)))

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  2. Dear Limpeh,

    Thank you so much for the post, very insightful and crucial points (and I feel rather flattered). But HAHAHAHA I couldn't help laughing, since you got my gender wrong actually. I shall reply here instead of the previous one since it is more relevant. Goodness, it seems the more I read about your style/ways of dealing with things, the more I feel that hey wait a minute I think we sound like we are on the same frequency range. If only our age gap wasn't so wide, anytime you drop by Sg again I would surely hope to have a cup of coffee with you haha as a (mentor) friend. Now I feel it's a bit odd since you are twice my age (haha don't feel too old) and comparatively our lives are too different or rather I am too inexperienced and still living out the school life.

    Well okay I digressed, I think I can get very longwinded too, this reply is probably going to get as long as your post haha since I’m talking about a lot of things here, given your target audience is people like me. I am still figuring things out but thankfully I think I am somewhat in the right direction i.e with the right questions. I think some of my questions puzzled you (referring to the PSC and uprooting myself to the finance sector), well let me explain further. I am rather stuck currently, in the sense that alright PAP is flawed but hmm some of the civil service work seems rather interesting such as policy making (I'm still testing waters with that). On the other hand, I know I am also quite keen, or at least intrigued by the finance sector. Thus a thought came to me, hey is there any way to integrate the two? I am actually referring to people leaving the public sector to join the private ones ultimately at management position because it’s more lucrative/change of environment. Oh well, I guess on this part I would have to bank on my school's alumni talks, I'll ask the finance guys too.

    1. Personally for me, I think you have brought up the point of happiness being important in a job more than once in our chat earlier on, which is extremely valid. For me, no job satisfaction = I will quit very very soon, I can’t imagine slogging my life away being all miserable for the sake of money. Unless its very very good money indeed. To be fair, I am not keen on the prestige, I want to do something I’m interested in but as I’ve said earlier, I am interested in Psychology but as a career ummm not really. Especially with pre-mature sg psych scene and the cost of degrees and masters, probably PhD needed to succeed for psych since it’s a paramedical degree. So…too much of a risk for me. Oh coincidentally you mentioned that what we enjoy as a subject/little side project especially doesn’t equate to something we want as a lifelong career, which I totally agree.

    2. I am spotting more and more similarities along the way between you and me in terms of character and sometimes suka-suka way of treating not so important things in a carefree manner. The thing about me is that though I know I am good at analysis and enjoy getting to know things inside out and come up with solutions to solve problems, I can get a tad too imaginative and idealistic (cause I really want a happier place you took my hope for a peaceful and nice workplace down by a few notches but well reality check, still…a bit early for me), but I am good at delivering concrete, realistic plans. My structure is a bit all over the place though, I am mostly quite impulsive and on the go despite wanting to eat well as well, I usually decide my meals at most a few hours before I eat it.

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    1. Hiya. I think I relate well to most people regardless of age - that's because I am a good listener. It is an important skill to have and I am responding to you after having read very carefully what you have written, that's 'listening' in a sense. I'm a people person, I relate to people, that's what I do for a living. I feel that any two people can get along as long as they are happy enough to listen to each other.

      1. Trying to get your hands on a PSC scholarship for a job finance (we're talking about MAS, SGX... maybe ministry of finance, maybe IRA, perhaps Temasek holdings - I'm sure they dish out scholarships but you have to be amongst the very best to compete for one of their scholarships.

      2. If you do pull it off (and I know ONE guy who has), then you will walk away with a little black book full of useful government contacts then plenty of banks will wanna hire you just for your contacts.

      3. What are your hobbies? What do you do for FUN? Gosh you seem like such an uptight Singaporean, can we associate happiness with stuff we do for FUN and think outside the box for a moment?

      4. I don't think it's a bad thing to be a bit disorganized the way I am - it's a sign of a creative mind! Just don't go to the supermarket with me as it would drive you mad after 30 minutes.

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    2. Hello! Gosh I don't know if you were unintentionally stereotyping your type of readers or was I that guy-sounding in my replies. Either way though the misunderstanding may be good in further hiding my identity, I shall just spell it out that I am a girl (even if I ain't the normal demure and ladylike kind, yes I am rather clumsy and strong headed too). Since you decided to respond by parts, I shall too, hopefully without running into the 'you have to reply in 3 places for 1 person' situation.

      I think currently I am still in a dilemma that can't be solved in a month or two, I would have to get real about my chances and hopes since there's too many Ifs. After all, what I am hoping for now may not actually be what I am suited for in 10 years, but hey at least I have a idea on where I want to be in 10-20 years time. Regarding the scholarship, it's actually not so specific, usually its um under Open. I'm not that keen on getting a specific scholarship type until I am sure it suits me.

      Given that only ONE person you know and I'm assuming you have a huge social circle given your experiences, I'll take your word for it that it's super tough. But well yup the connections and experience with the gov is exactly the kind I'm looking out for, to ultimately make a nice retreat into private sector.

      What I do for fun I think it got lost somewhere in my long rant, ashamed to say I have been stagnant. 自暴自弃 or the 自身自灭 attitude for the past 4 years. I'm not that sporty, I used to indulge in chess and piano and then largely on computer games. (But well it was the unique game economy that I was most interested in). Another hobby would be well, reading random interesting bits of info and linking them all together, studying the heck out of a person that interests me - analysing things in short.

      Regarding supermarket shopping, no way! I would either have an almost empty basket or basket full of stuff aft 30 minutes so I don't think you can drive me mad :D

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    3. Ref: that ONE person I know.

      Well, I am not based in Singapore you see, but I have had dealing with MAS (monetary authority of Singapore) in my two previous jobs so I do not have a wide network of professional contacts in Singapore since I have really only worked there for 6 months in 2011. If you have a very specific question about the Singaporean market, you're asking the wrong person.

      Have you ever thought about turning one of you hobbies into a career? That is an option that few people contemplate but those who do usually are the happiest.

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    4. Yup I will be turning to my school's alumni for help on that I guess when they hold those career talks. Regarding the hobbies part, well not really at the moment. I'm not thaaaat into my hobbies and it's not very lucrative- > somewhat like why you would not want to dabble in gymnastics despite having the qualifications.

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    5. OK fair enough, I just wanted to challenge you to think outside the box. You are right in saying that not all hobbies lead to lucrative incomes. I do enjoy coaching gymnastics and I do it for a few hours a week as I do want to stay involved in the sport and pass on my knowledge - but realistically, it is tough to make it a satisfying career unless you're coaching say a potential world or Olympic champion. You have to dedicate your life to that kind of career and I don't wanna make money from it coaching kids who do it for 2 hours a week for fun.

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  3. 3. I am also not a social butterfly and I was rather phobic towards social settings, okay lah guai guai and shy and awkward girl who likes to spend time with herself okay. My social circle was greatly limited: you are either an important friend or I really don’t want to bother talking to you. Well thing is, another trait of mine is I’m brutally honest about opinions and usually my take on a situation is objective rather than simply taking sides. So, 惭愧 to say that I, until very recently have been a perfect Singaporean student (minus the diligence and tons of tuition). I follow the rules, look at my books when I need to to score the A even if I hate mugging. The grades used to matter a lot, it seems that it is ingrained in me that ultimately, 结果最重要. Eg PSLE or promotional examinations. At the end of the day, if you fail A levels, who cares how good you were? In the Singapore system, it’s spelling a huge game over for you. So yep I am part of the paper chase population, I admit I still see the value of that paper cause it’s important. But thank you Limpeh and well my experiences from the past year where life was really quite hell for me. Those have made me see that hey screw that sense of entitlement that you come from a good school, good grades people need to give you a good paying job. There’s so much more to that than just that paper, soft skills and communication skills are extremely important. So currently I am trying out new things and diversifying life, also learning to be more tactful and sociable. Funny thing, maybe I will make a good sales person, my mouth can get selectively super big and just yak away (ref. to Limpeh’s reply about his big mouth, got me laughing quite hard), but that’s limited to if I know you well enough. Okay enough of my potential big mouth, but yep being on friendly terms with people is super important. My social butterfly friend was so wise, ‘in class you can’t have just classmates, you need friends, legit friends to get work done’. Apply it to the future, wow a lot to takeaway from that. (She will be successful in life, I can feel it already, she’s bright, she doesn’t need the education and she’s just very good at socializing, put her in a stressful job and she’ll still ace it).

    4.Just a side point, MBTI isn’t very accurate since most people can get differing results even while doing the test in the same day/week. I would recommend 16PF, my school got me on it in a leadership workshop and it’s pretty accurate. Downside? 180+ questions and I think it cost either 40 or 80 bucks.

    5. Regarding strengths and weaknesses, yup yup tick tick tick agree. I am still thinking hard about what my skills can do though, I’m not after the name like wah must be doctor or lawyer. Nope. But like you Limpeh, I wish to be financially comfortable, well not mega rich let me throw that out of the equation, but a happy white collar worker who will eventually generate enough passive income to do other things in life.

    6. However on internships, I would like to mention that my school does have those, but usually they are snapped up pretty quickly with very limited slots, so one must look beyond the school and proactively hunt for internships, however at JC level that’s quite difficult cause honestly unless you can pull strings, why would banks hire 17-18 year olds with no A level cert even? There’s just nothing they can do other than count paperclips and sort out files. Also, usually the internships are very short, eg for law it can be 2 days or 1 week. I find them hardly representative of the real working world but okay something is better than nothing. I guess your advise is more applicable to those in the Unis or at the very least after A levels. Small part time job during holidays sound more probable.

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    1. To be a good sales person, it is extremely important to be a good listener. That's what makes me good at relating to customers - I listen to their needs and know how to respond to them. A bad sales person just talks at the customer without listening to him/her. So don't think it's all about having the gift of the gab.

      I did the MBTI but I took the results with a pinch of salt. I say, you know yourself better than anyone else, why bother with MBTI or 16PF?

      For me, I am already financial comfortable in my mid-30s so I am now scaling back my work to focus on the projects that I want to do, that I find fun and enjoyable rather than just working for more money. Heck, I am a landlord anyway so I can retire today and just live off the rent I collect, but I am too young to retire. That's what we call passive income my friend. My priority these days is to have more fun and do more of the things I enjoy ... like sports. I spent my late 20s working crazy hard and putting in crazy hours and I don't wanna do that ever again.

      As for internships, that's when you need someone to do you a favour. Ask your dad for help on that one. "Pull strings".

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    2. Yup well that's why I'm not into sales, it's no that I am a poor listener I think I am a poor listener per se, it's just that I used to be super nazi about the type of company/people I want to help so I would scare away the rest by being impersonal. But to be fair I think when it comes to listening I do know what a person needs at time instead of talking and talking for the sake of talking. Though nowadays I do get a little carried away at time when I'm too enthusiastic about things, still, not my thing about persuading someone to buy something from me.

      Regarding MBTI, well tbh I think I know myself fairly well since I am one who sits back and analyses problems and situations. However, its almost impossible to see all one's own flaws so I think I did miss out on aspects of myself, e.g the underlying reasons as to why I behave in a certain manner, while previously I would only know I am like that. So, the 16PF was useful in that sense. I took the MBTI last time but well I really didn't believe it since it's too generic. But also, I would say 16PF or MBTI or any personality test for that matter I feel that it would be useless to most people since 1) it depends on your current short term state then, 2) your personality and working style changes a lot especially when you get into new environments, and 3) some reports are personal and detailed like the paid version of 16PF, but on top of the semi-untrue parts, come on, how many will actually look at that and then really self reflect on areas that you are lacking in? Not many I would say, most would prefer to give an excuse or leave it alone, thus limiting the usefulness of such results. Just what I think on this :)

      Yes I know lah Uncle Limpeh is a fairly rich man ok, and I want to generate a passive income like you in 20-30 years, I'm certain you can actually retire now and still live a nice life haha. Well yes I would like to work hard in my 20s to have the liberty of doing what I want later on without having to worry about my finances.

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    3. Being a good listener is an important skill that will get you very far in life - so you need to think about ways to improve that aspect because no teacher in school is going to teach you about human relationships but that's probably the most important aspect of 'soft skills' that you need to have in your arsenal when you go out into the working world.

      As for sales, please don't have the impression of that pushy salesgirl in some neighbourhood mall trying to persuade you to buy some $5 make up product or a $8 T-shirt. The kind of sales I have handled in the past usually involves 5 or 6 figures and I have even been involved in negotiations that involve 7 figures. There's low-end sales and there's super high end sales which involves 7, 8 or even 9 and 10 figure deals and trying to deal with the super high end aspect of sales (I never got beyond 7 figures) is a huge ask. Crap sales people end up doing $20 deals instead of $20 million deals.

      I have the liberty to not worry about money and pick projects that bring me joy. To be blunt, it's because I have no dependents and every penny I earn is spent on me me me and me. I have friends with children and even though they earn more than me, they are struggling to make ends meet because they are supporting a family. It's simple mathematics. We have to make our choices in life.

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    4. I am trying to be good listener, yup I think it's very important because people like to 'feel important' in that sense, listening to their needs is very important and well useful in making friends too, all talk no listen = sound very overbearing and selfish but haha at this moment I'm kind of living in the I talk way more than others talk cause the people I talk to are the listening type and they don't have that much to say. So yup but I will definitely try to improve further in that area and strike a balance.

      Hahaha at sales: I know that's not what happens in B2B sales, still I can't get rid of the annoying pushy sales man image, I'm rather biased against sales at this moment you could say, I really find them annoying, to approach with the intent of selling you something and making money off you= yuck.

      Yup tbh I think I would put starting a family or this kind of issue later, unless the 'right' person comes along earlier which is unlikely. Count me as one of those girls who are more career driven!

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  4. 7. Hopefully my last point! I’ve read enough of your posts related to immigration cause I am considering the possibility of working overseas/living there in the distant future. Yup, definitely I think key step is to get into a good university first with a not so niche degree like botany would certainly help. As for new opportunities I think it largely depends on your talent and interests, it’ll do no good to those who are doctors to dabble in the IT sector (just a rather extreme example), even if people do have to keep up with times, sometimes it really depends on your skill set once again.

    8. Okay nope, missed out on working styles. Um this is where advise would be really helpful. I was always somewhat of a lone wolf. I hate answering to idiots who disappear and –I have such a brilliant change to make,damn it let me do it without having to inform a ton of people-. I would love to hear more about roles for lone wolves or rather I am happy to work in a group if they are decent, efficient workers on the same wavelength (which hardly happens), else I think I would lose my patience with them. Gosh Project Work (H1 compulsory subject) was such a nightmare, worst project ever, mimics real world really, you’ll be glad you missed it since it started in 2006 I think. Yes so I guess it’s a preference for me if I have a choice though I would try to fit in with the rest. Any ideas on those roles specific to finance/government sector? The first thing that comes to mind is consultancy roles, but I’m wondering if there’re others, well minus the really geeky mathematician jobs cause although my math and logic is decent, number crunching is certainly not my favourite. I think the trait of being lone wolves also came from me spending thousands of hours on chess competitions, trainings whatever. (uh oh, if someone knows enough they can easily identify who I am) Thing about chess is, sure there’re team matches but really its very individualistic: it’s just you vs your opponent in the game.
    Okay thankfully I’ve run out of things to say finally phew, 8 points back at you :D Close to 1800 words thus far on word doc(I finally learned my lesson ever since I lost my wordy comments 3x in a row),I had to split this into 3 comments so that it wouldn't be choppy, I think I'm the longest commenter yet haha. Btw there seems to be something wrong with the formatting of your blogskin it seems, the sidebar really gets on my nerves sometimes when I’m on my computer and desperately trying to scroll down with my mouse, maybe you could try to do something about that? Anyway, thank you for patiently reading my super long comments and once again advise would be greatly appreciated:)

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    1. You have to realize that if you do go into finance, you will give up a chance to move abroad as a skilled migrant as no matter how great you are at banking, bankers or financial services professionals rarely make it only the skilled migrants' job list. You need to do something like medical health services or teaching to secure your ticket abroad. If you wanna go into banking, that probably means working in Singapore.

      As for being a lone wolf, it is not as simple as you think. I have managed to get away with my lone wolf behaviour because sales is such a lone wolf role and now in my current company, my boss trusts me to do whatever I want and he doesn't monitor me that closely at all. I have colleagues I can count on but we don't work that closely together. Each company is unique - for example, I have seen bosses use team work as a way to make sure everyone is working. So if my boss doesn't trust me, he would make me work with you to do a project together, so you would keep an eye on me and if I am just not pulling my weight, then you would be the first one to run to the boss and complain. That way the boss needn't keep an eye on me all the time because he is relying on you to do that for him. There are so many ways people are coerced into team work as there needs so be a helluva LOT of trust to allow a lone wolf to get on with his work undisturbed.

      Sorry about the layout thingy - I am just using the default template that Blogger gives me. I am crap at IT and have no idea how to alter them.

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    2. Hmm I wasn't that aware that I was giving up my ticket to UK if I study a degree related to finance. Well I don't know, I suppose I would cross the bridge when I get to it, if I get to it at all. Since I possibly plan to study in UK, there's some student visa or whatever and possibly a chance of staying to work there yeah? Not so sure about that but I think I'll be fine, despite your NHS encounter I'm still skeptical about the healthcare in UK and standard of living, maybe you can do a post related to standard of living in UK/Europe? Since in countries even on the other side of the world like Australia, food can get really quite expensive as with labour.

      There's also the option of working in Singapore then asking for a internal transfer to be posted to UK right? Well either way that's far off, but if I do get a bonded scholarship I'll be on golden handcuffs anyway.

      About the lone wolf part, I'm rather keen to work my way up to the point where the boss trusts me enough to give me some liberty as to how I want to work, it's dependent on the company too though, my mum has quite a lot of say over her working style she can even work from home or whatever since her boss trusts her to get her job done-product of working for the same company for 20 years. I think I would like to be there some day, but once again if there are projects for finance teamwork is almost certain isnt it? It might be easier to get away being a loner if one's self employed or doing consultancy yeah?

      I think your blog layout has some problems, it's really annoying to have to view posts as popped up and then trying to type a long reply, and boom you got moved to another post, oh dear. I think it's something inherently wrong with the template, it somewhat fixes itself when a post gets comments. I can't help on this either since I have forgotten all my IT skills too, but there are other default templates that are nicer if you ever consider changing:)

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    3. Oh and onto another issue, I have been trying to read up on all the other posts that I'm interested in, areas such as relationships, friendship, current affairs, university and work life etc, things very relevant to a student like me. But oooft i'm getting hard pressed for time since reading your blog can literally take up hours and sometimes after a while when I re-read the same piece, I get new insights that I've missed.

      Since I'm still a full time student and also looking to expand my horizons instead of sitting in front of my computer all day reading you posts, my replies may get rather slow. After all following your advice, there's only so much that theory lessons can do, one can read about skiiing for a year and will still be unable to ski, even if I do get good tips on what to look out for while trying to ski. Thus I will also go and actually get some other things done through action like improving my portfolio and experiences haha. Too much procrastination on my side, I must admit I need improvements to my time management.

      That aside, I think I will be penning some long comments to your old posts on friendships and possibly relationships since it's another area that my parents are clueless on. They are not socially active and I think I need to work on my interpersonal skills more. Given how wide read and experienced you are in that area, travelling to many many countries and making many many friends and learning about many many cultures and languages, I think you would have plenty of good advice to offer :D I might even ask for another post request if it gets too long.

      Well one concrete perk of being on your blog for many hours is certainly improved english haha! I'm afraid I've been slacking too much in terms of english writing and your eloquent writing is good material for me since my parents are chinese educated and hopeless in that. It's actually helping me in crafting GP essays haha though it can't do much justice in my oral skills.

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    4. OK just read all your replies over a coffee. I have to dash for a meeting in under 30 mins... make that 25 mins. So I am not even gonna start to compose a reply now. Just be assured that all questions will be answered in due course later today.

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    5. On the issue of immigration, I'm not saying it is impossible, it is just a lot harder to get in via financial services than through the medical/ health sector. This just reflects the basic principles of supply and demand - loads of bright young locals want to work in finance so there's no shortage of financial services professionals here (too many, if you ask me) - but there is a shortage of medical health professionals: from doctors to nurses to physiotherapists to X-ray technicians to a whole range of niche positions within a hospital.

      So yeah, you can still get in via financial services if you become some superstar hotshot fund manager or have such a senior position within a bank that you can ask for an internal transfer, but otherwise, it would mean working in Singapore for like 10 years or so to build up a very good reputation in your field before you can even think about moving to the UK. Whereas a nurse can apply the day she gets her qualifications and look for work in the UK before she even finishes her training and they will roll out the red carpet for her. So a female Singaporean nurse can move to the UK say realistically, by the time she's just 21 or 22 whilst if you do go down the banking path, I would say, realistically, not before you're 32. And if by then you get married or have a relationship or have children, then forget it. My sister was in a position to think about it once upon a time, then she got married and forget it, she is now stuck in Singapore forever as her husband will never move because of his parents.

      A student visa is easily dished out to anyone who studies here - foreign students are welcome but oh please - whoever told you that it would lead to some kind of visa working here? One of the important conditions of your student visa is that you MUST (I stress MUST) leave the UK upon graduation and it does NOT allow you to stay on to find work upon the expiry of your student visa. In short, they will gladly take your money as you pay the fees as a foreign students but they do NOT want you to stay on to compete with the locals for the jobs here. The ONLY exception is given to people who are trained in areas where there is a CHRONIC SHORTAGE of SKILLED MIGRANTS that's is when you are allowed to stay on and get a job here. Good grief, you need to understand the rules of immigration if you are seriously considering that path as you seriously do not understand how it works.

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    6. As for healthcare and the standard of living - please lah, I think you're being a bit ignorant and racist here. I don't know what kind of impression you have of the UK or if you have ever been here before, but the fact is a lot of very basic principles apply no matter where in the world you live in. Take that from uncle Limpeh who has lived and worked in so many different countries all over the world. If you are a highly sought after brain surgeon, then you will be highly paid and rewarded for your expertise. If you are just a hospital janitor mopping up the vomit and piss on the hospital ward, then you're going to be paid peanuts whether you are working in a Singaporean or a Swiss hospital. I don't know what kind of bullshit misinformation you have about life in the UK (or any other country in the West), but I can tell that you have been seriously misled and misinformed! Oh dear.

      The standard of living in any first world country - Canada, Belgium, Germany, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Australia, NZ, France, UK, Sweden etc - is about the same in terms of the kind of modern life you can enjoy in the first world. What makes the big difference is the job you have: are you a brain surgeon commanding a huge salary or are you a janitor mopping the crap off the floor? If you are the brain surgeon, then it really doesn't matter where you work - you will have plenty of disposable income to enjoy a great life. If you are a janitor, then guess what? It also doesn't really matter where you work because janitors around the world are going to be paid very little because it is just manual labour and that doesn't vary with the country you live in.

      So all this talk about standard of living - is quite frankly - BULLSHIT. It is the typical kind of PAP propaganda BULLSHIT that young people like you swallow - I've heard Singaporeans come up with BULLSHIT statements like doctors have to pay so much taxes in the UK that they are reduced to living in poverty, HUH? WTF? Like seriously? Look, I'm not even as highly skilled as a doctor but I am living a pretty darn good life here, enjoying a bloody high standard of living and it is my ability to earn money that determines just how good my standard of living is.

      So you can take a doctor and a janitor in any city: London or Singapore and the conclusion will be exactly the same about the doctor having a better standard of living than the janitor. So don't believe the bullshit rubbish idiocy you hear about the standard of living crap.

      I am aghast at the amount of misleading LIES you have been fed.

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    7. As for the lone wolf theory - you can't generalize about 'projects in the finance world' as if it is a monolithic entity. You're talking about such a VAST topic, so I am simply going to say that it will depend entirely on the company you end up working for and you simply cannot generalize. As for the layout, I have zero problems on my laptop - so it could be your browser that is not loading it or perhaps you need a better adblock to stop those annoying pop up ads to make sure the page loads better.

      As for friendships, heck. I am not perfect person, I make so many mistakes along the way when it comes to friendships and blogging helps me put my thoughts down and allows me to make sense of them when I organize them. Otherwise these thoughts are just rattling around in my head in a way that I cannot figure out.

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    8. PS. No offence about what I said about the bullshit lies you've been fed. You're a young student and you've been brainwashed. It's not your fault. I do hope however, that since you do come across as very intelligent, you would be able to respond by finding out the truth and making your own judgement on the issue instead of believing what people tell you. Sometimes people can pass on misleading information because they have been misled themselves. It has nothing to do with deliberately trying to mislead or deceive people - it is just the way things can pan out in such an environment. Heck, I think the vast majority of the 'morals' or 'facts' that my parents have given me are either misleading, inaccurate or plain wrong in so many ways. They are not intelligent or highly educated, they did not set out to mess me up by deliberately lying to me - they were trying their best and fortunately, I am smart enough to figure things out for myself.

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    9. Haha I see you got carried away with your apparent disdain towards the NHS and standard of living. Let me elaborate, I was quite brief since I was in a rush too. Oh no, I don't think I fall into brainwashed and anti other countries thinking Singapore has it really well. I kinda think you got a bit biased here and overly critical since you dislike PAP and well, there's a reason why you are residing in UK instead of Sg since you obviously prefer the life there. I was quite confused with the racist part??? I am not referring to the 'racial glass ceiling' or anything even close. Nonono. I simply wish to know more about the NHS system and also on the standard of living, ok rephrase, cost of living. For the cost part: I think it's not about the whole high salary vs low salary, I'm talking about in comparison to singapore that is. E.g an average meal at a cafe, average monthly expenses for a white collar worker and things like that in comparison to Sg. Oh and the issue of expenses for housing too, specifically for London, not the rural areas. As for the healthcare part, I've seen a lot of misleading information on it but I've also seen documentaries from the British Pov and the americans(which was quite bs since it painted a really rosy picture, took it with a pinch of salt). I studied quite a bit on it since I was interested in it and I did something similar to a module on it in secondary school for humanities. So I'm hoping you can share more objective insights since you've lived there for so long and experienced the system. I've heard good stories but more horror stories about NHS- family friends having tumours but public hospitals telling them to wait 9 months for surgery. Went private but still it took 3 months. Quite horrifying for me!

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    10. Regarding the visa issue, well I have been reading from the uk gov website for the various visas but I haven't got time to look at them in detail. Working (is it up to 20 hours or something?) while studying there would be fine by me. I'll have to see how I can stay there should I really wish to- but given if i get a scholarship which would be why I'm in UK, I will be stuck with a bond anyway so... I just want to experience the UK culture for now since I really enjoyed my visit to Australia, a westernised country. But thanks for the headup on the student visa part - hahaha tier 1 investor sounds good but 2million euros, thats like 4 million sg bucks...good but too far away! Must say I haven't done too much homework on that since it's not a pressing issue for me 惭愧惭愧!

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    11. A few quick points:

      1. No, the NHS is not perfect but it is a far more complex situation than you think. Some areas of the country are well run when it comes to hospitals and in others, it is shambolic and no two hospitals are the same. There is so much more than meets the eye - here's a piece I did earlier about when I needed to go to a hospital for treatment: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/london-vs-singapore-nhs-hospitals.html

      2. Oh no! You are falling into a trap that sooooo many Singaporeans fall into!!! The moment you asked the question, "I'm talking about in comparison to singapore that is. E.g an average meal at a cafe, average monthly expenses for a white collar worker and things like that in comparison to Sg. Oh and the issue of expenses for housing too, specifically for London, not the rural areas." Many Singaporeans would look at the price of a meal in a cafe and say "wah so expensive compared to Singapore" - but wait, us Brits are paid local London rates in pound sterling, whilst you Singaporean tourists are paid Sing dollars according to local Singaporean rates. The moment I throw out a few prices, you would fall off your chair but they seem perfectly reasonable to a local like me earning in pounds and paid a good local rate.

      The fact is, Singapore suffers from a relatively weak currency when you compare it against the pound. I am contemplating getting Lasik for my eyes and I found out that it is soooo much cheaper in Singapore than the UK because of the weaker Sing dollar. That's why I go on a crazy shopping spree, like I spend an obscene amount of money shopping in Singapore because everything is so dirt cheap to me, a British tourist - whereas a Singaporean may look at the same item and think, "that one cheap meh?" I would then reply, "compared to the equivalent in London, yes it is cheap." But is Singapore cheap for locals who are paid in SGD at local rates? Now that would depend so much on whether you are a doctor or a janitor.

      If you are splitting hairs, then your financial situation is so messed up that you only have yourself to blame and not the economy or the cost of living/standard of living. It's like when I was at a shop after gym and I wanted to get a drink - the mango drink was 59p but the guava drink was 69p - a part of me thought, it's the same brand so why is the guava more expensive? I ought to get the cheaper mango drink - then another part of me thought, damn that's just 10p (20 Singapore cents), so what? If I wanna drink the guava drink, then I can afford it.

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    12. That is the kind of hair splitting we're talking about and so many Singaporeans want to believe that life in the UK or in the West is unaffordable without factoring in so many different factors like how much we are paid here on an hourly rate or what kind of benefits we get from the government. No, they are BRAINWASHED that PAP = very good, the best, Angmoh govt = very bad, corrupt.

      Oh in case you forgot, for the price of a HDB flat, you could buy a huge house with a garden here in the UK (not city centre) and I can throw in a car or two for that price. Remember that the next time you wanna talk about the price of food here.

      The bottom line is, different things are different in different countries and so much of that depends on what kind of life style you lead, what kind of goods you consume and what matters to you but the difference is small. The vast majority of us do NOT worry about the price of food because if what we like costs a bit more (eg. the guava juice costing more than the mango juice) then we just pay it without worrying that it would cripple us financially. On the extremely poor would worry about how much they spend on food or meals because that would make them broke before the end of the month before they get paid, but surely you are not going to be so hopeless that you end up that bloody broke and poor? So forgive me for being so blunt, but you so seem totally brainwashed by the PAP because you are asking the wrong questions. You wanna be a high flyer in finance, but you wanna split hairs over the cost of meals like spending a few dollars more on a desert or a coffee is going to bankrupt you? That doesn't add up at all - cos here's the newsflash my dear: if you are a highflyer, then you do not worry about the cost of meals or food. That's a lie planted in your head by the PAP.

      Oh and we're talking about 2 million POUNDS, for the investor visa, not Euros. £1 = 0.78 euros, so we're talking about a much bigger amount of money.

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    13. No time to write more but just for further reading: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/the-chicken-rice-fallacy.html I will write you a post here.

      Sorry to be harsh - I have to keep reminding yourself that you are a young student who has never had the benefit of living and working abroad. I just fear that the fact that you're asking the wrong questions means that you have been totally brainwashed by PAP's propaganda.

      The fact that you are even concerned about the average price of a meal in a cafe means that you are barking up the wrong tree. It doesn't matter what country we're dealing with: the Philippines, South Korea, Kenya, Germany, Brazil or America. A person with a good job (a doctor, a lawyer, a CEO, a teacher etc) will be able to live a reasonably comfortable life and provide for his/her family adequately within his/her country. A person with a crap job (manual work, using muscles rather than brains) would struggle no matter what country s/he is in.

      I hate it when people start blaming factors like the cost of living or taxation because ultimately, you determine whether you are rich or poor depends so much on your education, your work ethic, your skills, the way you perform in the work place, whether or not you impress your boss or not etc. It does NOT depend on how much lunch costs in the cafe. It does NOT depend on how much taxes you pay.

      The fact is, the rich millionaire CEO is NOT going to hunt high and low to save 50 cents on the cheapest lunch around. The rich millionaire CEO is NOT going to become totally broke and unable to pay his bills if he has to pay higher taxes.

      The people who are forced to hunt high and low to save 50 cents on lunch are the very poorest people in society. They are the ones who are going to become totally broke and starve if they have to pay even $50 more in taxes. They are the ones who will become homeless if the landlord raises the rent by $40. And actually, I have met people like that in London. I'm not talking about homeless people who don't have a penny to their name - I am talking about young people who are living from pay check to pay check, who don't have any money to their name per se because they are in debt (owing thousands of pounds to the bank) and yeah, they are the ones who are broke and cannot afford to get dinner with friends (further reading: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/evening-with-unemployed-young-graduates.html )

      But the fact is, people who are so broke and poor would never be in a position to compare the cost of living in different countries because they cannot afford to move to another country. Those who can afford to move to different countries (remember that only highly skilled migrants have that luxury) earn enough not to worry about how much lunch is going to cost or how much taxes they have to pay or how much rent they have to pay.

      The bottom line is: you are NOT going to get a highly skilled professional in a city like London who is poor. No. That does NOT happen. Poverty is determined by whether a person uses brain power (eg. lawyer, banker, doctor) to earn a living as opposed to muscle power for manual labour.

      So in essence, you're asking the wrong question. You're talking about issues that concern the very poorest in society. I will do a post on this issue about why you are asking the wrong questions Sorry, I don't blame you, I blame the bullshit propaganda that the PAP is pumping out to corrupt and mislead young minds like yours.

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    14. Oh and more further reading as to why I am taking people to town when they ask the wrong questions about the cost of living:

      http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/part-2-cost-of-eating-out-singapore-vs.html

      http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/responding-to-on-oz-vs-sg-debate-part-1.html

      Again, nothing personal. Not your fault HR. You have been fed so much misleading crap in Singapore.

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    15. Sigh I just typed out a longlong reply only to lose it by misclicking on a link to your homepage. TOO DAMN FRUSTRATING- sorry I need to rant that’s the 4th time I’ve lost hundreds of words of thought out replies.
      Okay, let me try to recall. Right firstly I’m starting to feel quite bad indeed for clogging up your comments area since I have a lot to write and this is the only way I can reach you. And you write a lot back too, but it’s getting really quite inconvenient to keep scrolling through the tons of replies since its getting close to 40-50 long comments soon. (my inbox is getting quite spammed too). I may just have to delete my comments if they get too overbearing to scroll through the mountain of them –sorry to those who benefitted from my long rants. On another note, I think my spam won’t get any shorter or less as long as I’ve things to talk about and time on my hand. There’re many many interesting posts that I’ve come across on your blog- too many too many areas! And realistically speaking I simply do not have the luxury of time to reply to all those topics that are basically everything under the sun, neither do you have so much free time. But there are key areas that I am interested in and most certainly will wish to converse with you about, things that teenagers/youth my age are interested in, especially if they lack wise advice from working adults, (yes I think you convinced me pretty well there’s a lot of adults with hell lot of BS else downright rude/stupid). These areas include: friendship&relationships [sorry if it’s a rather personal subject but generalizing would be fine, I know you did a few posts on relationships101 and q-friendship yup but I have a few queries on those that you didn’t cover], ethics and morals etc linked to being liberal or conservative(this is broad, but yes again replying to the amount of BS some ignorant people try to propagate, especially very conservative asian values –I’m trying to be careful here and not offend anyone since your blog is too popular and public) & possibly other migration or whatever issues just to mention a few. SO I think that’s A LOT. Weeks worth of conversation, thus I’m quite apprehensive as to writing so much in comments because I’m spending hours and hours on composing replies, reading and thinking about issues from your blog and realistically I’m getting hard pressed for time I will just get busier soon :(
      I do hope that you aren’t bored by me or getting annoyed because ohgee I ask so many questions and write so much. I do hope at least you’re having some fun reading what I write since I am benefitting loads from the intellectual stimulus.

      Haha though sometimes I do hope you aren't that pragmatic/harsh, with all due respect (please don't get offended) Well I mean I can take it as of now but I don't really like to be 'thinking too unlike a student my age", aka exposed to too much of 'sad harsh truths', i like some bubbles and ideals to remain 'unburst', but okay I think you sound a lot less harsh talking to me as compared to maybe an adult (don't know if that's true due to me being still a teenager haha!)

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    16. Onward to replying about your points: 1)OKAY yes I admit I misfired, bad idea to fall into the trap of comparing cost of food with conversion rate and totally forgetting about PPP. Oops. But perhaps let me shed light to WHY I wished to know more about those comparisons. NOPE I am not brainwashed by PAP or anybody (hopefully, though yes the misconception is so common sometimes I will start falling into that trap since I’m more a tourist than a resident while overseas).
      1a) I partially had the idea of working in Singapore and then ‘retiring’ in UK or migrating to work there so all my savings would have to be converted to Pounds and goodness, fastest way ever to see your saving diminish by half! That was what that was worrying me.
      1b) I also have the idea that well let’s say an engineer working in management/director level is earning 10kSGD a month, assuming someone in UK has the same ability, same job. Would that person really be earning 10kPounds? I get the feeling its somehow lesser, probably 7-8k? That would affect the PPP. Well granted, if you are high up you won’t be so poor that you have to count dollar by dollar when buying food. The only part that I might be brainwashed is the 7-8k concept, but if that’s so and the food prices/lodging expenses etc are significantly higher than Sg, I think it’s worth noting unless you have more ‘insider info’ on that which I’m very happy to hear about :)
      1c) Okay, save the most important argument for last haha. This is me lah okay, I can get thrifty or “cheapskate”. It’s not really that I need that extra 50c, it’s just out of habit, ref. to your own example on the fruit juice, its natural instinct for me to compare prices and think, hey! Why is this more expensive? It’s not the lack of money per se cause I’m so poor, but not splurging (though having the liberty to be able to when I want to is something I want, but that’s another matter). Also, I think this is where me as a student/future-young-adult-stepping-into-working-world would be planning (which would be very different from Limpeh your pov I guess), starting salary perhaps 2.5-3.5k, but no savings. Of course a lot of them would like to save up if they have any sense of financial planning they would be thinking of investing/generating passive income etcetc, instead of living on credit card debts etc. I would like to refer you to this post/blog in general I chanced upon yesterday:
      http://worklivesingapore.blogspot.sg/2014/12/how-i-saved-20000-in-year.html
      Okay that’s all I have on that issue of living expenses and finances etc.
      A side point: I did read your NHS encounter, which is why I’m beginning to think maybe Sg has been too biased against NHS, however my main concern is still healthcare in UK actually. I know that medical fees in Singapore compared to visit to doctors in UK can’t be compared at all, yup UK= all free other than prescription fee but a GP visit here easily exceeds 50, count in X-rays and specialisits and ohno. However, I’m concerned about the waiting time and quality, so overall quality of UK vs Sg healthcare. The 7 month wait for surgery really scared me, even 3 months sound absolutely crazy, I’m sure in Singapore if you have the money it can be done really fast(polyclinic isn’t that bad either from personal experience). So for me, hopefully I will not end up in dead-end jobs lol and be financially comfortable aka the Quality of the healthcare is more impt to me than the Cost overall. I know it’s not a issue that can be simply explained since it varies from region to region, but I’m just looking at London vs Sg. I’ll look at the links you’ve referred me to when I have time, writing a reply takes very long and I have no time :(

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    17. Hi there. I have half an hour to write this reply so here goes:

      1. I don't even think that purchasing power parity matters that much (but I am glad you did bring it up - it shows me that you are v intelligent and thinking, otherwise I wouldn't bother challenging you). I think a lot more depends on your job and your job performance. I supposed it was because I worked in a sales background and we used to get plenty of commission on good months when you did sell and on crap months you worried about where your next deal was coming from. I remember I had a colleague Andy who asked to borrow money from me because he had two kids and couldn't make ends meet. I didn't know what I do, I felt bad, I had the money as my sales figures were great then but I couldn't decide. So I went to talk to the boss who said, "if he wants to earn more, then he has to work harder and sell more. If you lend him the money, you'll never see it again."

      So despite the fact that we working in the same company, doing the same job, living in the same city: Andy was broke because he ran into a dry patch on the sales front whilst I was cashing it in. The difference in our circumstances meant that I had money, Andy didn't - therein lies the difference, so we have to look at the individual's circumstances rather than the things like cost of living blah blah blah because whilst Andy was looking for the cheapest products in the supermarket, I was going to nice restaurants. (I felt sorry for his kids.)

      2. You retire to a country where the currency is weaker so your savings go a lot further. So people from the UK retire to Spain. People from Singapore retire to Thailand. It's never ever the other way around.

      3. That's why I am going to Singapore (probably) to do my Lasik and it's going to be the same price but in SGD and not GBP. Whoopee. Lelong lelong half price discount for me.

      4. On the point about someone working a similar job in the UK - there are a few different factors. Working hours for one: a Singaporean work week usually tops 60-70 hours on average, often more, whilst an Angmoh work week hovers around 40-50 hours on average. I certainly work a LOT less than that because I have passive income. But also, you have to consider what is the market rate for the job: Let's do an easy comparison: starting pay for teachers in the UK (London) is £27,543. That works out to be £2295 a month. Whereas in Singapore, the pay scale I found here: http://www.moe.gov.sg/careers/teach/career-info/salary/geo2/ indicates that the starting pay is from the $1,480 - $1,920 range for grade 2 and $3,010 - $3,310 for grade 1 (the elites groomed for higher positions in education rather than spending their whole lives in the classroom). So it does vary - but wait, if the young teacher wants to buy a HDB flat, that's gonna be a lot harder than him compared to the London based teacher who wants to buy a London flat (if he doesn't mind a residential suburb away from the centre).

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    18. The fact is, you're comparing two rich, developed countries at the end of the day - the difference isn't huge, but it is just the little factors like cost of housing that determine how far your income will go, rather than how much you actually receive in your pay packet. As for how much a person in a similar job in the UK will be paid compared to Singapore - again, you can't compare so easily. A lot of that will depend on supply & demand (basic laws of economics my dear) and a skill that is in huge demand in Singapore may not be as much in demand in the UK and vice versa and the kind of salary you can command in the UK for that particular skillset depends on the demand for people of that skills (and the availability of people with that kind of talent). I have said before that I use my many languages a lot to make a living - I'm lucky because the Brits are so hopelessly monolingual; but if I am in a country like Singapore, Switzerland or the Netherlands where people tend to speak more languages, then I would not command as much for my language skills - so again, it's supply & demand, it's a lot more complex than you make it out to be. So anyone who sold you the $10k vs £7-8k is misrepresenting the complexity of the situation as I think it would be impossible to make a sweeping generalization like that: you need to look at the relative supply & demand for the job we're talking about rather than assume that this is simply the general rule of thumb. I hope you've done enough basic economics to realize how supply and demand, market forces, determine the price of something like what kind of salary a skilled professional can command in a market place.

      As for the fruit juice, my point is simple: little differences like how much the mango vs guava juice costs isn't going to determine if I am rich or poor. It is how much I earn that determines that. I have been super lucky in 2014 to have gotten my hands on two super lucrative contracts and I made 80% of my income last year in the period of two months as I worked those contracts with Snickers and Google. That was what made me super rich last year - I got rich by working with people like Google who paid me a LOT of money, not by saving 10p by choosing the slightly cheaper juice drink in the shop! And on that point, I wouldn't have been selected for the Google contract if I was competing for that job in somewhere like Netherlands or Switzerland as I was benefiting from the fact that they needed a quadralingual (English-French-German-Mandarin) person and I was (believe it or not) the ONLY name on the shortlist... Thanks to the British education system which is crap when it comes to teaching British students a foreign language or three.

      OK half an hour is up, I must run. Catch u laterz!!!

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    19. Helloo, finally got a tiny bit of time to rush out my replies (15min argh)- I managed to re-read your nhs-vs sg posts again (haven't had time to look at the chicken rice fallacy and others gahh), and also read WD's horrifying experience. Yikes.

      1) Regarding the salary part, yup I think your points are pretty valid, however I feel that you've been lucky in the sense that sales is pretty unique, possible to earn big bucks in a good month compared to other jobs that are more consistent. Well, maybe the year end bonus can differ by a few 10ks but it's not thaaat much (that kind of bonus in normal terms I assume their monthly pay is quite high already). Since I'm not planning to dabble in sales (too cut-throat :( ), I think it'll be different for me since I don't have your particular skill set- persuasion and languages. Nah, I know I still need to work a lot for my EQ, as for languages, I know some Japanese, a rather unique dialect (muahaha I'm fairly certain you don't know how to speak this one), and I am quite fluent in English and Mandarin ( chinese speaking family!). You've inspired to want to pick up French quite badly, sigh but I have no time in JC now eeps. Hopefully in university, maybe I will discover that my language skills aren't that bad :P

      2. Unfortunately I would most probably be working in Singapore (at least for a portion of time) and the more westernized countries generally have a stronger currency than SGD-> I'm looking at Australia, UK, Canada etc. So...definitely going to feel the pinch and feel poor when my savings diminish thanks to exchange rates D:

      3. Regarding the whole overly generalised concept of 7-8k pounds vs 10k, yep I know i was making a very hasty generalisation, well make that a stereotype since I just wanted to know more about that, and I could try to explain further but it would probably take up 5k-10k words and I still won't be doing it great justice since it's too broad, but I tried summarising it very shortly since I was in a rush and that is a fairly prevalent stereotype among my peers.

      Thanks for the info on the teacher's starting pay though! Yup, I think it's not that true, possibly it does affect to a greater extent for some of the jobs but overall if its a skilled profession/white collar job they shouldn't be that affected by the living expenses. The housing issue is definitely true, but what to do? Singapore is so small and the gov wants to increase the population further (goodness I still haven't gotten over the shock of 6.9million, no matter how they try to justify it, I think they are doing it wrong.)

      4. Another reason I would want to work overseas is due to the working hours, yes I think you convinced me that the work life balance is simply a lot better overseas, no debate about that (ofc not the manual labour sector, that one I'm not too sure but I don't plan to end up there, not at all).

      5. I am impressed by your contract seizing ability, ref. to point above that all the more I want to learn a new language ( I think French is a good starting point, I heard it's easier to learn german and spanish after learning french), it certainly opens up many more opportunities and new culture etc, I do enjoy challenges and new knowledge ( I think I'm getting more knowledge hungry, I think that's good) :D

      Alright got to rush too, looking forward to your replies later!

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    20. Hello!

      1. Whilst sales is potentially lucrative, it depends on so many factors. You need to be a natural at sales and also, you need a good product to sell. I have moved away from sales for many many years now and am now doing marketing/investor relations. And FYI, neither of my contracts with Snickers or Google involved sales! Snickers was stunt work (plenty of that covered on my blog) and Google was multi-lingual marketing. It is good to know that I don't have to depend on sales to make good money and I did make a conscious decision to say goodbye to sales.

      2. Well the SGD isn't that strong against the USD, AUD or even the GBP. Mind you, the Euro has taken a beating of late. But surprisingly, the SGD hasn't risen that much in the last 10 years or so. It's stayed the same. Which means I don't think this status quo ref: SGD relative to other major currencies is gonna change in the near future anyway.

      3. As for the pay situation of S$10k vs £7-8k, AGAIN - you're barking up the wrong tree. I will give you a very simple example as to how supply and demand. A good private Chinese tuition teacher can charge £90/hr in London - now we're talking about a bilingual English-Mandarin qualified teacher with experience here. Some are cheaper but you often get what you pay for (I've seen some appallingly bad Chinese teachers here and they are not very ambitious about how much knowledge they try to impart to their students, like you will be appalled at how easy the A levels exam for Chinese is here! It is laughable http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/chinese-textbooks-for-british-students.html ) Now let's look at the situation in Singapore: http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/sg_tutors_primary The rates vary between about $20 to $50, with Mdm wong charging $80 an hour (waaaah why this woman so special one?) - but the average is about S$35. Singapore is 70% Chinese and our expectations of a good Chinese tuition teacher is very high - whereas in London where it is 0.7% Chinese, finding a qualified bilingual Chinese teacher is pretty darn rare, so a really good bilingual Chinese teacher can actually charge a LOT more and even those who are not great can still charge a pretty high price.

      What does it boil down to? Supply & demand. There's a glut of Chinese teachers in Singapore (esp with the influx of PRCs) flooding the market with supply of high quality native speakers of Chinese and in the UK, there's a new interest to learn Mandarin (from both kids and business executives alike) and so there is a spike in demand for the services of good Chinese teachers who can teach Mandarin as a foreign language.

      Supply & Demand at work here. I've chosen that example because you probably do Chinese at school right and probably have had Chinese tuition at some point in your life - hence I am hoping that down-to-earth case study will show you how a price a worker commands in a market (a Chinese tuition teacher) depends entirely on supply & demand.

      PS. If your Chinese as good as your English, why not consider coming to the UK to be a Chinese teacher?

      3a. Yup, housing issues. You're screwed in Singapore - unless you become so rich that buying a S$500,000 flat is small change for you.

      4. You come across as a very bright young person, so of course you're gonna use your brains to make a living. Otherwise I wouldn't bother engaging with you like that lah.

      5. I found French v easy - but I have created an app for you to test your affinity for different languages: it's not quite complete yet but watch the short youtube clip featuring Limpeh and then follow the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTajeRILOhc

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    21. Hello LIFT(okay since I think you prefer this to Limpeh/Uncle Limpeh(hahahah you aren't thaaat old but sometimes i find it more personal sounding than LIFT),

      1. I had to rush off so yep I realised I forgot to mention one point regarding econs -> I in fact haven't studied Econs H2 proper yet (oops?), most of the things I've done with it is self-taught/ heard in lectures while I was sleepy or sick and miserable so....I didn't retain much (I'm quite amazed I can remember PPP actually since I visited that so long ago). Well I will be working a lot harder this year to apply econs, goodness so many JC kids struggle with econs/writing essays in general, getting a A in econs in internal exams is close to impossible. I shall try to prove that wrong and get my A this year (tough, i have mean teachers pretty happy to mark based on 'feel' and a "A-grade essay feel" is so hard to come by.

      2.Okay, I digressed again haha I'm too talkative. Well I understand that if you go back to basic economics (law of supply &demand) which is the first lesson any econs student learns, when applied to jobs it's actually super relevant, just more complicated I feel(e.g luck,soft skills, 机遇). But yeah...gaps in market, you got the skills (the supply) tada you get rich from the demand. :D I will be looking out for such gaps if I have the time when I'm out of school (or at least in uni), but I think investing in my own skills is the most important investment as of now. (Maybe you can do a post on investing tips for youngsters who just start work?-can't remember if you did one specifically, I read so many posts within such a short frame of time haha)

      3.Hahaha I didn't know Uncle Limpeh follows Kiasuparents and actually read up on chinese tuition fees! You must teach me next time how you manage your time so well, to be able to do so many things while working (e.g travelling, meeting with friends, blogging, gymnastics etcetc), my time management ah, haiyo not that good at all but I like to think I'm improving now (another post request/suggestion haha I told you I will make you write forever cause I'm in a time frame whereby my brain is churning out endless things to talk about).

      4. Replying to your point on my chinese standard. Well....I really don't think teaching is for me I can't stand is - I don't have the patience to deal with them, especially if they are just horrible e.g languages, whenever I have to help them I end up going ARGGHHHH where do I even start? Well, i *might* do part-time tuition/teaching for extra allowance next time, though that's again, rather far off for me at least in UK. Though HMM, I do think that I have a good chance of earning extra money in UK if I teach Chinese.

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    22. Aiyoh, just call me Alex lah. The whole uncle thing makes me feel so freaking old even though, yes I am 38.

      1. By all means study hard at econs if it will get you an A that will serve you well in gaining entry to the university of your choice, but make no mistake, it's just a bunch of academic theories that you will never revisit once you are done with your last exam. I can't remember 90% of the stuff I had to learn for my A level econs syllabus and it's not relevant to any of the work I do. What you and I are talking about is the real world here, rather than theories for exams.

      2. Yup, supply and demand. But I don't think you can force yourself down a certain path just because someone else found a niche. Like I found a niche last year when Google needed a quadralingual French-German-Mandarin-English marketing person and I was the ONLY person on that shortlist. Are you going to say, great, I only need to study French and German now ... No, I think you need to look in the mirror, understand yourself, understand your strengths and merits and then discover what you are good at - then you can develop those skills rather than try to copy someone else.

      3. I googled that lah, because I wanted to get an idea of what Chinese tuition fees cost in Singapore - I needed to pick an example that I knew you could relate to, hence I chose Chinese tuition. So I went to google and entered the words 'Chinese tuition Singapore' and out came that link.

      As for time management, simple: I work less than 30 hours a week and I make sure I get a lot of sleep. You probably spend more hours a week studying than I do working. I am a lazy git with money and no motivation to work very hard now that I can afford to pick and choose my projects. I know that I have what it takes to do extremely lucrative contracts (like the one with Google), so I have this "I'm not getting outta bed for less than ______(Insert amount)" attitude. The fact is I think I already have enough money to lead a comfortable life, so I now just wanna enjoy life a bit more. How's that for a new year's resolution?

      4. Again, supply & demand. You said you came from a Chinese speaking family so I assume that your Mandarin's pretty darn good. It's up to you. Just a suggestion.

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    23. Okay, regarding my chinese standard since you don't know me personally and we haven't conversed in chinese before, I hope this sheds some light(not trying to boast but haha I think it's quite good, for a singaporean's standard anyway,some students really ought to be ashamed of calling themselves bilingual!): I got A1 for Higher Chinese at O levels (mandatory for my school, it serves as a AO subject so it'll appear on my A level cert-yay 1 A secured muahaha.) and well YES I TOTALLY KNOW RIGHT. The standard for H1 Chinese is appalling (it's so much easier than O levels! ref. seen my friends' papers and a friend of mine who scored B3, got close to full marks in her prelims for H1 chinese). Anyway, to be fair my Chinese isn't that good now due to the lack of use for it in school, though I regularly speak Chinese (but purely in dialect/mixnmatch) to my grandparents. Though it used to be native standard cause hey- I'm a Chinese, my parents migrated from china and their English sucks. But well, it's a bit rusty now if you want me to write long long essays for you I might struggle a while/take longer. But throw me to China and I have no problem conversing with them (E.g Beijing/Shanghai, can't speak for the more rural areas or those with heavy accents since I don't know much of Hokkien/Cantonese at all).

      I have never had Chinese tuition in my life and I don't plan to! The only tuition I've attended is English since I would say my Chinese is stronger than my English (as you can tell sometimes I make grammatical errors/let my sentences run on/sound a bit incoherent or too informal) since the only English prac I get is from conversing with my friends at school -that's how I picked up so much Singlish also and my GP teachers would complain that I sound too informal in my essays.sigh.

      So short summary: if you think my English is good (thankyouthankyou I am trying to improve it further by reading more and your blog has a lot of interesting things hahaha that's why I'm always here when I'm free), then well my Chinese>English (my chinese scores have always been higher than that of my English, I used to read more chinese books than English ones too)

      5. Haha no way I'm that rich, else I think I wouldn't even bother going to Univerisity -> but okay employers like that piece of paper, okay I can learn a lot more in Uni (and I heard it's very different and fun, loads of learning to do too). And, glad to know I'm engaging too :P

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    24. 6. Okay, I've just watched your youtube video: ahahaha I kind of expected the customer to start speaking chinese. But hmm I noticed that your Chinese has 'an angmoh's accent', I'm not sure if you are faking it or because you've spent too long in a country(countries) with few Asian chinese speaker? haha. Okay! I've also just tried the eurekalanguages.com game(did you come up with that? wow if you did, I would like to learn coding too, touched really surface bits of Java @ coding.com or something like that), would you like to see my results chart? hahaha. I don't know how I can attach it...oops. I'll maybe share my results later if you're interested to know. I speak chinese and english (and a rather niche dialect, i had a really really basic course in malay once upon a time, i have friends who take french but I've never learnt it myself, and I've learnt a year of Japanese as third lang [but I fooling around then in Sec1 lol]). I am hopeless in Welsh, I've only gotten 1 correct hahaha. Quite surprised that there are plenty of English sounding sentences in Italian though, and French. I feel french is hard (as well as Japanese), because their verbs are complicated (japanese sentence structure and formality = gasp in horror), so...I think I will get a lot of sentence structure and grammar wrong when I learn French :s

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    25. Aaaah, I had no idea your parents were from China - but fair enough, that's part of the reason why the standard of Chinese in Singapore is high and the benchmark for teaching Chinese is so high in Singapore now given people like you and your parents speaking native standard Mandarin in Singapore. I can turn that around in this case: there's this Angmoh in Singapore called Dan, he nicknames himself Angmohdan (rambutan in Hokkien) and here is his website: http://www.angmohdan.com/about/ If he lived in England, then so what, he is just another native English speaker in England, big fat deal. But in Singapore, aha, here we have a genuine native speaker of English - Angmohdan can teach you how to speak like a posh Englishman and get rid of your Singlish accent and people are willing to pay a lot of money for the whole 'My Fair Lady' treatment. Again, supply & demand and this guy has cleverly put himself in a position where he is able to exploit a gap in the market. He can be a very ordinary English teacher in England or a highly skilled professional earning a LOT more money in Singapore. He is more than an English teacher. He's a smart guy who understands how supply & demand works in the business world.

      As for my Mandarin accent, gosh I never claimed that my Mandarin was any good. I have moved away from Singapore in 1997 and having been away from a Mandarin-speaking environment, the standard of my Mandarin has fallen a lot. It is rusty and I make mistakes ... more to the point, sometimes I have to pause mid-sentence and think, "oh damn, how do I say 'cycle lanes' in Mandarin..."

      Eureka Languages was something I came up with - I had the concept but I had two IT experts build the site for me. Basically, I sucked at Chinese in Singapore but found French extremely easy given that my first language is English. In my childhood, I just assumed that I was crap at languages because I couldn't get my head around Chinese at all and I was one of those Chinese-Singaporeans who sucked at Mandarin. Like really sucked at it. My point is to show people that just because you have no affinity with one language doesn't mean that you suck at all languages, and this is a fun game to expose you to a big range of languages to see what languages (if any) you have more of an affinity for.

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    26. Just for you HR: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/how-much-do-you-think-you-will-be-paid.html

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    27. Ok, this reply will be longer I suppose. So I’ve decided to play safe and write it on a doc first in case my clumsy fingers decide to ruin all my efforts again >.<

      I think your Chinese is still pretty good- don’t be so modest lah. Your intonations and accent is starting to sound a bit off, probably because like you've said you’ve been away from a Mandarin speaking environment for too long. But hey, I would say your Chinese is still a lot better than many of my classmates and they’re still getting (or just got) their Chinese O/A certs…goodness. To be honest haha sometimes I have to pause halfway and wonder oh what’s video in Chinese? Oh right 视频, so yep don’t feel bad at all. I think it’s the education system really. My English writing is better than my speaking, my spoken Chinese is only quite good because I always use it at home, many of my friends cannot speak Chinese for nuts but they can score their As and Bs in O level, shows how skewed the system is (and potentially a big problem), but oh well it will be like that.

      Regarding Eureka Languages, cool website I had an inkling you made it cause halfway I was like hmmm..I’m pretty sure that sounded like you. However there’re some small technical glitches with the website I think, sometimes the audio doesn’t really play on time or the timer just starts moving. But okay…. Anyway lemme divulge my results, I’ve no idea what’s considered a decent score and I was unaware I couldn’t pause it properly midway cause I paused and then left…only to find the score timer still counting down-.-|| Okay and I must say I guessed quite a lot hahaha. I got the score of 154, according to the bars in Green, I got 70% for Danish, 75% for Malay, 75% for Hokkien, 25% for Welsh( haha really no affinity for this one, its too unique sounding I only got 1 right), 25% for Afrikaans, 25% for French, 70% for German, 37.5% for Spanish, 0% for Thai (oops), 50% for Persian, 37.5% for Italian & 100% for Mandarin and Cantonese. I’m rather surprised to realize that the criteria for the chart varies for each language. Maybe you should include Japanese too? :D I’m quite surprised to hear some familiar sounding things haha in other languages. I’ve never done any of the languages apart from Chinese and I know a word or two in French from my 3rd lang friends who were too happy to start swearing at me in French LOL but the rest were unfamiliar. So what do you think? Reckon I would have a pretty good chance at picking up French/German/Italian later on probably in 2-3 years? Let me know :D

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    28. Yeah I need to get my IT guys to iron out the technical glitches on Eureka Languages - it is a labour of love, I don't earn any money from it.

      As for your results, the high scores for Danish and German suggests that you have an ear for Germanic languages (but that's a shame about Afrikaans which is like a weird form of South African Dutch - most Afrikaans speakers can understand German easily and vice versa), but I would say given those results you're probably better off learning German or Malay.

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  5. crap I think my question about engineering got lost in the abyss of the Internet. Not sure if it was sent for moderation or not.

    Anyway, just in case it wasn't, it was about whether it was advisable to go for engineering if I want to migrate to the west, America Canada, the uk etc.

    Also is it as versatile as it is here in sg? You could do finance, management, executive jobs with an engineering degree here in sg. Is it the same in the west?

    @happily retained. Yeah pw was a nightmare. My goodness I don't know where to begin. All the hours I spent thinking of ideas that we're rejected because it wasn't in line with the 'guidelines'. Or the ridiculously unfair the assessment was. Especially for op. Glad it's all behind me.

    Limpeh just post this one ignore the previous one lol I don't know if it went through

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    1. Nope. I didn't see your question about engineering.

      What you need to do is to look at the skilled migrants job list for the countries you wish to migrate to and check what kind of engineering makes it onto the list of those countries. Engineering is a very wide field with many different options and so I can't stress this enough: just spend a few moments reading those lists put up by the various governments of what kind of skilled migrants they want in the engineering field.

      I hope you've read my recent piece about the Singaporean woman who was so bloody salah and blur that she spent 8 bloody long years studying something so niche and useless in the UK and still cannot qualify as a skilled migrant after 8 years and then she tried to claim asylum and got deported back to Singapore because she simply didn't have a case. It beggars belief that she is that bloody stupid - if she seriously wanted to stay in the UK, why the hell didn't she spend 10 minutes finding out what kind of skilled migrants are needed in the UK instead of wasting 8 years pursuing an area of that studying that is considered useless by the UK immigration authorities?

      10 minutes vs 8 years - it is unreal the scale of her stupidity. I have no sympathy for her.

      Yes it is very versatile here. One thing you must realize about the culture in the West is that Singaporeans are obsessed with paper qualifications whilst people in the West are far more relaxed about the issue altogether. That means that it is a lot more flexible here in terms of changing industries.

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    2. @ivanovich: haha so glad to know another shares my pain on PW. it was literally a pain in the ass. Yup my WR topics were rejected 8 times and finally a reasonable draft was done only 1 week before final deadline, utterly terrible experience. not to mention PI had close to 20 drafts before i submitted grrrr. thank goodness I didn't have to go for OP but I heard it's terrible since I watched my classmates rehearse. If uncle limpeh did PW, he might hate it more than some of the office shit he has to deal with haha!

      @limpeh: i read about your post on the singaporean woman and i could only shake my head. I wasn't aware that engineering was so versatile though, I can be a nazi about taking apart things and putting them back and stuff, but engineering hasn't been on my radar at all, though I do know employers like to hire engineer grads since they are usually organised and detailed..something along those lines. Maybe...possible hobby to career? haha! Sorry I'm getting rather incoherent since its midnight and I've had a long day.

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    3. HR, don't rely too much on the degree. Have a read of this post here: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/q-whats-worst-youve-encountered-as.html

      As a gatekeeper, I interview people as individuals. That's what interviews are for, I dig into their brains to see what I can find. I do not give out jobs on the basis of their degrees because it doesn't tell me enough about a person. We don't jump to any conclusions about "engineer grads since they are usually organised and detailed..something along those lines. " That's completely FALSE.

      I would give someone a job because s/he has proven that he is well organized and has great attention to detail but no one in the right mind would assume that ALL engineering grads have those traits. No, we test them and make them prove it before giving them the job.

      Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you have got A LOT to learn about the job hunting/recruitment process. But fair enough, you're a student and I've been on both sides of the equation: hunting for a job and deciding who gets a job.

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    4. Just to spice up and confuse your poor readers more when they try to waddle their way through a ton of comments: Yes yes I've read your gatekeeper/interview posts and it just made me more determined in improving my soft skills (which I study for my hard skills).

      Haha and nope I'm not assuming all engineer grads are good- no way!!!!. But those who DO WELL in engineering usually are organised and detailed-when it comes to work, I know engineering grads who can't operate a washing machine but can fix electrical appliances with ease LOL. (well, well enough to even meet the gatekeeper and make it to the shortlist. at least 2:1 uppers/1st class honours I suppose?)

      and yes I think i have a ton to learn about jobs - but as a student I think i'm one of those fairly well informed, anyway I will keep digging at your brains to draw out valuable lessons ahahaha. And of course, experience it first hand when I can next time!

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    5. Again, those who do well in engineering usually make me (as a gatekeeper) sit up and think, "okay if you can get through a demanding engineering degree at a good university, then you can't be stupid and I should take your application seriously." But I would never make any assumptions on their ability without first putting them to the test. Each gatekeeper would have their own methods to test applicants and that's something we take pride in.

      Why do we do this? Because for every 1 position, we usually get at least 10 applicants, sometimes more if it is a good company, good position with an attractive salary - so when we are faced with so many quality applicants, which one do we choose if they all have good degrees? That is why we subject them to further tests to select the best candidate - we don't just make assumptions based on their paper qualifications. The paper qualifications gets your foot in the door but no further. To get further in the process, you have to get pass the gatekeeper who will make you prove anything you claim on paper and will go out of their way to find mistakes in your CV.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVfyxnrQ3NQ

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7-_34NcDTc

      Woah. Wait till they meet ME. Bwahahahaha.

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    6. Yupyup I get that Uncle Limpeh is a mean and terrifying gatekeeper, ok point taken hahaha. Yeah...sometimes I really wonder what happens when there're 2 almost equally capable candidates running for the same job....I think it'll be a pity to kick one out, but that's life I suppose. But hey, if the company was smart they'd hire both and perhaps use the other to their advantage.

      Anyway I watched both clips hahaha really brutal but I suppose they were being fair, despite being on the harsh side. It's a reality show after all, sometimes I feel like they are truamatising their participants on purpose to see if they'll crack under the pressure. If I were one of the participants I would have answered differently hahah. Another thing to my to-do list, watch The Apprentice!

      On a side note, now I'm really hoping one day I get to run through a mock interview (or if the fates are so curious that I end up looking for a job at your company) with you and see how I fare >:)

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    7. I am only a gatekeeper - I have influence but the final decision isn't mine. Though that's still an important role to play as your first hurdle is to get past me if you are going to even be granted an interview.

      As for the company hiring both candidates - it's often down to money. Can you afford to hire both people? Is there enough work for two people to do? Will they be able to both add enough value to the company? Often it's a question of there being enough work to justify the salaries - if money is tight, then you can only hire one person.

      Happy to do a mock interview with you at some stage to show you how brutal the process can be :)

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  6. ‎Thanks LIFT for the mention. I've been following the post but have been too busy recently to reply. As everyone knows I'm in the midst of a career change but on top of that I'm also moving office and my current living quarters. 

    Anyway here are my thoughts after working in SG for mostly MNCs:

    1. Don’t choose a field of study or career based solely on interests. After several years of doing the same thing for money your interests would feel like work and you will begin to hate it.

    2. Unless you're a scholar or linked to the ruling elite, never join a GLC. Lots of bureaucracy and performance doesn't mean anything compared to paper qualifications.

    3. Learn another language. I'm not ashamed to admit my proficiency in a 3rd language paid more dividends than a ne‎w degree ever could. Besides after working for awhile it's not what you know but who you know that matters. Which brings me to my final point. 

    4. Network frequently. I got my current job in this company thru a Japanese contact. All the countless resumes I've sent out since then have amounted to nothing since recruitment agents and resume collection software tend to spit out your resume unless you check all the boxes in the company's list of requirements. ‎

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