Tuesday 26 August 2014

Sex, love and money - the bizarre world of Tunisian love rats

Hello everyone, merhaba. I have been busy studying Arabic and reading up about Tunisia in preparation for my trip there and I stumbled upon a rather bizarre website - Tunisian Love Rats. Out of curiousity, I had a look and it is about good looking (well, mostly) young Tunisian men who look for older white women, either via the internet or in chatting them up in Tunisia for love, money and most of all, a ticket out of Tunisia. I found some of the stories rather bizarre and beyond belief - like if you are an older, fat English woman on holiday in Tunisia and a 21 year old handsome young local man chats you up on the beach, surely you should know that something is not quite right there.
Beware of love rats?

I remember when I was in Asia - I have seen my fair share of (much) older white men with (much) younger Asian women and no one seems to bat an eyelid. From Bangkok to Bali to Shanghai, it seems fairly accepted for this kind of pairing to happen. In fact if you were to see an Asian man with a white girlfriend/wife, people would do a double take as that would be rather unusual. Likewise in Africa, South America or anywhere else in the world, it seems like it is taken for granted that yes, there are older white men who finds much younger local girlfriends and that's the done thing. Oh but when that pairing is reversed, these white women kick up a big fuss and create this website to name and shame the "Tunisian Love Rats". I rolled my eyes in disbelief as I read the stories on that website.

Hmmm... Am I the only one who is bothered by these double standards? Okay, I can see some differences in the two cases, most men tend to be motivated by sex, most women are motivated by emotions like love - for the older white man in Bangkok or Bali with a much younger lover, both parties are aware of what is going on here - it is no more than a financial transaction and the young Asian woman is trading her nubile young body for the white man's money. The Asian woman knows exactly what the older white man is looking for when he turns up in somewhere like Patpong and there is a mutual understanding. But in the case of Tunisia, these white women aren't necessarily looking for love or sex - they are just there on a holiday. For these young Tunisian men to seduce them, they need to appeal to what these white women desire most: love, not sex. Hence someone who looks like Susan Boyle can experience romance with a gorgeous Tunisian stud at the right price, but make no mistake, you have got to pay for the romance you desire.
Many hearts have been broken in Tunisia...

Tunisia is a poor country - it may be one of the richest countries in Africa but compared to Europe (which is painfully close at just 155 km to the closest point to Sicily, Italy), it is still very poor in comparison. There is a big Tunisian diaspora in Europe, spread throughout countries like France, Spain, Italy, the UK and many Tunisians are looking for a way to move to Europe and get a better life there, but tighter immigration controls mean that only those who are highly skilled and educated can get a work permit these days. So if you're young Tunisian man who is good looking but not very highly educated or skilled, well, seducing an older European woman seems to be a route that they are willing to use to get to Europe. Desperate people resort to desperate measures.

Don't get me wrong - this doesn't disturb me. What two consenting adults get up to is their own private affair, it is none of my business. If a fat, older European woman wants to hook up with a 21 year old Tunisian guy, what they get up to is strictly between them and nobody else's opinion matters. But when that same fat, older European woman turns around and claims, "I thought he loved me, he was just using me!" There's a part of me that wants to go, "Really. What were you expecting? Are you really that naive? Weren't you using him as well? Aren't we all part of this world where everyone is using each other to some degree to get what we want? What did you want from this young man?"
"I thought he loved me and wanted to marry me!"

Ironically, because Tunisia is an Islamic country, the women tend to be very conservative and would usually dress very modestly and veil their heads. Thus they would simply not be a position to try to seduce an older white tourist as they are conditioned by their culture and religion to behave in a modest manner. However, men in Tunisia do not seem to be that bothered by such conventions - thus you do not have the female equivalents of 'Tunisian love rats'. Furthermore, for an Islamic country, they produce a lot of wine, spirits and beer locally and there is in fact a drinking culture there - the locally produced Tunisian wine is apparently very good indeed.

Perhaps as a very experienced traveler, as an older man who has experienced a lot of life (and I've blogged about it), I am hardly naive when it comes to things like that. When I am traveling in poor countries, I am usually very cautious and suspicious of the locals who will always try to find some way to make you part with your money. So if some young 18 or 19 year old falls prey to some con whilst he is abroad for the very first time, then fair enough - the teenager is naive, inexperienced and not very wise. But if a much older person falls prey to a con, then I do expect the older person to be less naive and a lot more streetwise when traveling abroad. But then again, traveling is expensive and not everyone can afford the luxury of holidays abroad, so some people are simply more experienced travelers than others and those who fall prey to such cons when they are abroad are those who have never had the chance to travel abroad much. 
Are you careful when traveling abroad?

And in my most recent trip to Greece and Albania, I could spot the British tourists who haven't been out of the country much a mile away, then you can spot the experienced travelers who know what they are doing. These very inexperienced travelers do tend to draw attention to themselves by asking very stupid questions in English. They are the ones buying loads of overpriced tacky souvenirs from the gift shops. Furthermore, the price of international travel has plummeted in the last ten years with the explosion of budget airlines and last minute deals, people who never dreamt of holidaying abroad back in the 1990s are now doing it regularly because it has become so very cheap. That means older people who have barely ever traveled in the past are now making their way to places like Tunisia, totally unaware of what they may encounter. That does set these people up to be duped when abroad.

For example, a common trick that one may encounter in Tunisia (or Mexico, Morocco, Turkey etc) is when a young man will stop you in the street and say, "hello, remember me? I work at your hotel! It is my day off, can I show you around?" It may seem like a fairly harmless, friendly gesture but if you engage him, then he becomes your unofficial guide of the day and not only is he expecting a fee for his time, but he will get commission for all the money you spend in the shops or restaurants he brings you to. Those of us who are fairly experienced will simply say, "No. I have never seen you in my life before, leave me alone please." But you will be surprised at just how many gullible tourists will fall for this.
Hey remember me? I work at your hotel!

I have even experienced this myself when I was in China - I was once in transit in Shanghai and had about 12 hours between my flights. So I hopped on the high speed Maglev train from Pudong International Airport into town because I didn't fancy spending 12 hours at the airport. Now let me explain, I was experiencing jet lag as I had just flown in from London, I badly need a shower and a few hours of sleep but instead, there I was standing in Nanjing Lu at rush hour, near the Bund. It was sheer adrenaline that kept me going - I must have looked a mess at that stage. As I stopped to read a road sign, this young lady came up to me and said in very good English, "hi there, you look a bit lost. Can I help you?" I couldn't resist this offer of help as I didn't fancy getting lost whilst I was on a tight schedule in Shanghai - I wanted to make the most of the stopover without missing my connecting flight. So we got chatting and she was keen to practice her English with me, but she came across as more than friendly, it was evident that she was flirting with me. I thought, hang on a minute, who would want to flirt with me when I am looking this awful? When she asked me for my email address and phone number, I politely made my excuses and left her.

When I told a local Chinese friend what had happened, he explained, "Notice that she approached you in English, if you had responded in Mandarin and turned out to be a local, she would disappear in less than a second. Think about it - why did she ask you in English and not Mandarin, despite the fact that we are in Shanghai? She was testing you, making sure you were a rich foreigner, not a local - that's why she spoke to you in English rather than Mandarin. People like her exist - they want to get out of China but simply don't have the means to get a work permit or pay to study abroad, so this for them is a last ditch attempt to try to find a foreigner to marry, to get out of China. They are not part of the new rich Chinese middle class, but probably from poorer families. But if what they are doing didn't work, then they wouldn't even try. You can't blame her for trying. She tried, you walked away, she failed and she will try again."
I was shocked to be chatted up in Shanghai.

One of the basic rules of economics 101 is this the basic correlation between supply and demand. If older European women are not falling for these young, handsome Tunisian men, then these Tunisian men will not try to seduce them. It is a financial transaction, it is not love and if these older women were a little bit wiser, then they would realize that and for them to complain after they have been duped rather than accept responsibility for their poor judgement - I just think that's a bit silly. What do you think? Perhaps I am being rather harsh to judge these older, naive European women who genuinely fall for these Tunisian men - but there's another part of me that thinks, what were you expecting, honestly? Aren't you kinda old to be this naive about love? Do leave a comment below please, many thanks for reading.


35 comments:

  1. Hi LIFT, if you bump into any of these loverats in Tunisia, could you interview them & enlighten us on your blog? We would like to understand them better. For example, is it hard to pretend one is in love with a person they find physically undesirable, or even repulsive? Is it worth it to betray oneself for money which may turn out less than expected? Do they still harbour dreams of finding real love & settling down one day? Thanks!

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    1. Hello there. I doubt they'll wanna talk to me as I am not an older European woman! I am a younger Asian guy, wrong gender, wrong age, wrong ethnicity!

      As for pretending to be in love with these older women - it's acting you know, it's telling the women what they want to hear. Older women crave attention and these men have all the time in the world for them. It's not physical sex the way a prostitute offers her/his body up for money - it's quite different.

      On a related note, there's an older resident in my block who keeps complaining non-stop to the building management company - like every single week, she has a new thing to complain about and as I am on the resident's committee, I have run far far away from her or she will grab me and say, "what are we doing about this/that/etc". I realize, she is just a lonely old woman, living on her own and she is looking for an excuse to talk to me/anyone and the only way she knows how to do it is by complaining about the building (I swear, we live in a very nice block - I rarely ever make complaints) - she simply lacks to the social skills to make friends. So instead of winning my friendship, she scares me away because all she wants to talk about are things that are wrong with the block (i swear there's nothing wrong) but I know there's nothing wrong and all she wants is my attention.

      You see, if she went to Tunisia, these Tunisian love rats will give her all the time in the world, listen to every word she has to say and never tire of listening to her whilst ordinary men like me run a mile when I see her. She is not after physical love or sex, she is just a desperately lonely old woman with poor social skills and is very hungry for attention. So for me, I see it as a perfect match - Tunisian love rat wants her money, she wants his attention: it's a match made in heaven. Plus some of these Tunisian love rats aren't bad looking either.

      Mind you, not all of the Tunisian love rats look like Greek gods, the older fatter ones tend to have to resort to going for the older, fatter European women, whilst the fittest, most handsome ones can pick up women who are a bit younger.

      As for finding love - let's get real here. We're talking about a poor North African country. Men dream about moving to Europe to make money, to become rich - love and marriage can wait whilst they pursue their dreams of striking it rich but first they must find a way to get to Europe. Priorities, you know.

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    2. Also, don't forget, these poor Tunisians don't earn much - in terms of GNP per capita, they are slightly behind Malaysia which doesn't make them as poor as some of these other much poorer African countries to the south, but this is a country very reliant on tourism. There are plenty of nice 5 star hotels for rich Europeans to come in and enjoy the lovely beaches and exotic culture and there's the politics of envy. I know I can go there and spend a sum money there in a nice restaurant for a lovely meal and that would be the equivalent of a week's wages for the waiter in there. Imagine if you were that waiter whose job is to serve these rich Europeans who come in, spend money like it is water and get paid peanuts. The feelings of envy will kick in and if there is a short cut for these people to try to make their fortune, then well, they will try it - it's either that, or spend the rest of your life working as a waiter, earning peanuts and dying as a poor man.

      This is why I always feel somewhat uncomfortable visiting poorer countries - like Tunisia is poor but not that poor yet, the most stark contrast was when I was in Sri Lanka. I was so nervous knowing that the amount of cash I was carrying on me (like there was no way I could use my credit cards outside the capital Colombo) was the equivalent of several months salary for these people and it did make me feel really nervous and I often wondered what they thought of rich(er) foreigners like me visiting their country and how the politics of envy work ...

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    3. Actually now that I check, Tunisia has a lower Human Development Index (HDI) than Libya, but remember that Libya's HDI is inflated by the country's oil revenues, and the country is being shattered by the endless civil war. So I believe Tunisia is now actually more developed than Libya.

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    4. Oh with a lot of these countries, there is also a huge gulf between the rich and the poor. I am visiting the modern coastal regions near Tunis the capital where there are modern malls, 5 star hotels and plenty of rich people living a very European lifestyle. Go to the deep south and you will find people without running water or electricity.

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    5. can you tell me what the area of Ben Arouse is like ?

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    6. Hi Sandy,

      I take it you mean Ben Arous - there isn't a Ben Arouse. Ben Arous is practically a southern suburb of Tunis, the capital city. being about 4 km from the centre of Tunis, which makes it a convenient place to base yourself to explore Tunis and Carthage. It is well connected to Tunis by train and tram. It doesn't strike me as a particularly touristy place to base yourself given that it is not on the beach - most tourist hotels are either in the middle of a touristy area or right on the beach: Ben Arous is very Tunisian, it is where real Tunisian people live.

      I have blogged a lot on Tunisia after my trip there so if you want to check out some of my travel writing on Tunisia, use the search function on the top right hand corner of your screen to look for all my posts on Tunisia on my blog.

      Can I ask why you are interested in a southern suburb of Tunis, Ben Arous? It hardly seems like a place that most tourists would venture to.

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  2. No, you are not too harsh. I have less patience with idiots than you do. It all boils down to personal responsibility. When my husband and I were at the Forbidden City, there was this young lady who offered to be our guide. I was skeptical, but she said she wanted to practise her English. Looking back, I should have shooed her away because I hate being bothered. Anyway, at the end of the tour, we thanked her appreciatively and politely and left her without a tip. She said she wanted to practise her English. We let her practise her English. She should have paid US! Point is, even people like us who have not travelled extensively can use common sense. Sure, we all may get conned in small ways sometimes, but seriously, those older fat women --- what were they expecting?! Those Tunisian men (I'd like to see some samples of them!) are desperate to leave the country. I do not blame them. It's not like they kidnapped the fat white women, stole their passports, cash, and credit cards, or sold them as sex slaves. These guys were doing what women (especially women) have done since the beginning of time --- use their charm and body as means to an end. Look at the Asian women (Filipina women are notorious for this) with older fat white men. I see them in Canada all the time. These women do not care if the guy even has a full-time job. They just want permanent residence. Being with these repulsive older fat white men will get them to their end goal. So, to all the fat white older women who were conned by the Tunisian love rats: wake up and smell the Tunisian coffee! Stop whining. You only have yourself to blame. Live and learn.

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    1. Thanks darling! I remember going to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huangguoshu_Waterfall as a kid and all the way on the tour bus the guide kept saying, "do not allow the children to hold your hand and take you down the stairs, they should be in school and NOT working for tips like that." And what did the bus load of Singaporeans do? Half of them, I swear, HALF of them allowed these young kids (aged like 9 ish) to take them/guide them down the slippery steps of the waterfall. I was in disbelief, like didn't you hear the tour guide on the bus? Duh. These kids wouldn't be doing it if the tourists didn't allow them to - which is the same thing with the Tunisian love rats (or Turkish/Mexican love rats etc).

      As for these Tunisian men - here's a gallery: some are quite good looking (IMHO, LOL) others are a bit older and fatter, there is a pecking order. This one is my favourite http://www.tunisianloverats.com/useralbums/david-international-wannabe-playboy.451/view and others can be seen here http://www.tunisianloverats.com/useralbums/ - they are a stone's throw from Italy (155 km) so they look very Italian IMHO.

      I agree with you about Filipina women - they use their looks and charms, they are not love rats, these are consenting adults. I wonder if young good looking Filipino men do the same thing with older Canadian women?

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    2. The men from the Asian countries have no appeal for western older women because they are terribly arrogant and sexist with their own women. The women we think are beautiful and wonderful wives and mothers are nothing to them...so what would a white older woman be to him - a woman who would not wait on him hand and foot? Women want LOVE not to be used for money and a visa.

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    3. Why is everyone calling us old fat women and arent we entitled to find love where ever whenever and how ever we want to or can or whatever, dont see us old fat women calling you stupid ugly idiots most of us do have a brain and not all Tunisian men Asian men Or American men are the same yes there are those who are worthless but there are also those who are genuine, but before you stsrt to classify everyone you should take a look in the mirror are you really so great tyhat u have the right to judge everyone else

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  3. Shanghai has quite alot of scams, one of them is where a girl would approach you and talk to go then invite you to a tea shop for a drink. They bill would turn out to be huge around the range of RMB1000 for some simple drinks which are non-alcoholic. If you can't pay then they would threaten to call the police.

    One of my friends fell for this scam the 1st time he was in Shanghai. Personally i've been to Shanghai close to 10(?) times and have never been approached. But that is because i tend to look more menacing.

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    1. Hahahaha, I should show you this TV programme - I nearly fell off my chair laughing when I read this because I once starred in this TV programme based on EXACTLY what you described above, but it was set in Beijing. And it was me befriending a fat American in Beijing and I wanted to practice my English with him and then taking him for a tea ceremony to scam him for his money. http://www.locatetv.com/tv/ultimate-tourist-scams/season-1/3068200 Yeah the programme would have been more accurate if they got a pretty young Chinese lady to play my part, but apparently it was based on a true story and the fat American got scammed by a Chinese man, not woman.

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    2. The actual scammer could be be a male or female or even a couple. Just that in my friend's case it was a female and not a very good looking one at that. He told me that he though she was just being friendly. But know Chinese and mainlanders in general they if they are friendly towards you there is usually an ulterior motive.

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    3. I hate to say this but when I am in China, I tend to trust other foreigners and I have this mistrust for locals. I always think there is some kinda ulterior motive. However, I have become very good friends with some PRCs working in England - but they are not the desperate kind in China looking to con foreigners for a few thousand RMBs, we're talking about very well educated PRCs who can get a job in the West...

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  4. Here's the problem with the fat white older women --- they are delusional. I see delusions when I spot these women at the beach in the summer time. Hello, you are fat, and you look ghastly in that size 6 itsy bitsy animal print bikini. I digress. The fat white older women actually believe when the Tunisian guys tell them they are beautiful. Sure, sure, beauty is on the inside, blah, blah. Once the Tunisian guy get "inside", they reel the women in. See, that is why I have to watch what I say at work --- few people appreciate my candour.

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    1. Well Di, read my comment for Chin Lam Toh above red: my older female neighbour who has no friends and is desperate for attention - hence she resorts to complaining non-stop about the block to get the attention of others around her. I can totally see her falling for a Tunisian love rat - she is hungry for attention and the Tunisians are hungry for her money: it is a match made in heaven.

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    2. Did you forget to eat your lettuce this morning? Why so beechy?! Lol

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  5. I have a girlfriend like that neighbour of yours. She is 60+ now. When she was in her 50s, she met a one-legged guy in his 30s. That guy has been nothing but trouble. I won't into details, but suffice to say, she did not learn her lesson. A few years ago, she met an even younger guy (23?) in her neighbourhood. He would work in her yard and do odd jobs for her. He had been in jail for break and enter, but she swore he was reformed. In no time, he moved in even though his mother's house was just a few doors away. After he milked her, he left for overseas. I don't think she has learned her lessons. My husband advice: mind my own business. I would try to talk some sense into her, but she does not want to hear it, so I am minding my own business. Oh, yeah, when she was younger, she was cheated out of $10 0000, got arrested because she married some guy who was trying to get into the country, ...You'd think she had learned something? No.

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    1. So... with this neighbour of yours - was she after merely attention (like my neighbour, who is soooo hungry for attention but lacks the basic social skills to engage in this thing called 'friendship') or is it sexual? I get the feeling you probably don't know for sure but you can guess?

      My guess is that it is non-sexual - that these older women just crave attention (don't we all) but some of us have the social skills to make genuine friends and engage with people and make them enjoy being in our company (that can be sexual or non-sexual...) whilst others have to pay for that attention, even if that attention is non-sexual if people genuinely do not enjoy being in their company (such as my older neighbour who has ZERO social skills). I do feel very sorry for her - if no one has taught her how to make friends by now, it's probably too late to learn so she just has to pay for social interaction or rely on the charity of others for that.

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  6. It is still sexual with the one-legged guy. She said it wasn't sexual with the 20-something guy, but it was very nebulous. I think she craves for attention and the need to be of service. She likes being needed. I call it asking for trouble. I avoid hassle and inconvenience at all costs. I saw pictures of the love rats and the fat women. The men --- they look suspect. The women --- aiyoh! There was one who needed dental work badly, and another was sitting on a bench, but her belly was literally hanging down her dress and could be seen below her knees. They should have used their vacation money to take care of themselves. So sad that they are so screwed up.

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  7. Dear Limpeh,

    I will never understad why every exhibitionist journalists and bloggers only emphasize the relationships between young Tunisian men and older women with 25-35 years age gaps! Do you think it will increase the number of readers of your blogs, do you think it’s an interesting topic to discuss about old women who beleieved in the love of a much more younger Tunisian man? It isn’t! It’s boring, and I think you don’t understand the gist of that website for what you are refering.

    You have stumbled to the Tunisian Love Rats website, and perhaps you have read some threads on that. But you haven’t understood the seriousity of the problem!!!

    First of all, if you had read some more threads there, you would have seen, that NOT ONLY OLD AND UGLY AND FAT WOMEN BECOME VICTIMS OF THESE TUNISIAN FRAUDSTERS AND VISA SCAMMERS!!!! Just because in the last few months some article was published in newspapers about older women with young Tunisian men, it doesn’t mean that a young girl can not become a victim of a Tunisian gigolo. On the contrary, they are easy victims, because they know that they are beautifuls, and they would never ever think that it could happen with them too, and when they meet with a Tunisian man it could be only a scam.

    There are many-many members on that site who are youngs, 18, 22, 24, 28, 30, 33…etc…. who have shared their story there, and they have been victims of Tunisian rats IN THE SAME AGE WITH THEM, OR ONLY MINIMAL 1-3 YEARS AGE GAPS, and there are cases in which the WOMEN WERE YOUNGER THAN THESE MEN!!! Furthermore there are many Ladies there who are now 40-45 years old, but they are over a 8-10-15 year long marriage with their Tunisian rats. It means, when they have met with eachother, they were 30-35 years old. They are also OLD WOMEN for you????

    When a 25-30 years old women meet with a 25-30 years old Tunisian man with ZERO AGE GAP, or with 1-3 years age gap, or if she is the younger one, I think she is not naive to think that it could be a real love. There are mixed couples everywhere in the world, and do not say that every mixed relationships are fake, and scams only for money and visa. There are some lucky women, who meet with a decent Tunisian guy, and marry him and they live in happy marriage.

    On the other hand, THIS IS A WORLDWIDE PROBLEM, NOT ONLY BRITISH WOMEN BECOME VICTIMS OF TUNISIAN FRAUDSTERS!!! There are many-many women form all over the world who become victims of them. Although the majority of members of that site are really from UK, or USA, but there are many many other members who are from France, Germany, Belgium, Norway, Netherlands, Russia, Poland…..etc….
    EVERYBODY CAN BECOME A VICTIM OF THESE TUNISIAN FRAUDSTERS, INDEPENDENTLY FROM THEIR AGE, WEIGHT, AND BEAUTY!!!!

    Just journalists and bloggers like you distort the facts with discussing about elderly women with 25-35 years age gap from their Tunisian boyfriends/husbands.

    With these articles, and blogs you practically extradite the future young victims to these rats!!!!

    Because if everybody always read cases only about older women with young Tunisian men, younger victims will not ever think that the same can happen with them too. However it can happen! But you will never understand this until it happens to you (or of course not with you, because you are a man) but for example with your 20-30 years old daugther, or sister if you have any.

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    1. Dear Cristelle,

      Pardon the delay in the publishing of your comment and my response - guess what? I have been away in Tunisia where I have not been keeping up with my blogging as I was too busy charging across the country. It is indeed interesting to get your perspective on the issue and I thank you for your comment. So, let me deal with some of the points you've made in light on my experience in Tunisia. I only just got back late last night in fact.

      1. I was comparing it to a phenomena I have observed in places like Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia etc - poorer Asian countries where we tend to get the coupling of (very) old white men with a young local Asian lady. In fact in Thailand, I once got to know an 81 year old British guy who had a 21 year old local Thai live-in gay houseboy/lover and that is the kind of thing I have seen a lot of in my travels. This got my attention because the gender roles are reversed and it makes an unusual case study.

      2. I accept that it was unfair of me to play up the age gap in my piece above - having been there in Tunisia myself, but I think the issue here is more that of a a coming together of mutual needs. Like I have discussed, I have an (older) white neighbour in the block where I live (here in London) and she lacks the social skills to make friends. The only way she can get anyone to pay any attention to her is to complain and she gives the building management company so much grief and as a member of the residents association, I have had to listen to her whine non-stop about non-existent, imaginary problems - I can see someone like her totally falling for a Tunisian love rat as she craves attention so badly and someone like a Tunisian love rat would gladly give it to her in exchange for some of her money (oh yes she has money). But here's the thing, it shouldn't be like a scam/fraud, it is just a meeting of mutual needs - as long as both parties are honest and clear about what they want out of each other then what 2 consenting adults get up to amongst themselves is private. In our modern Western societies, we have to concede that not everyone has developed adequate social skills to develop the kind of ideal friendships and relationships that we desire - so much emphasis is placed on education, making money, getting ahead in life - whilst we're just left to figure out the social aspects like making friends and love on our own (which is a terribly complex issue), hence you get people like my older white female neighbour who has money but no social skills.

      3. I accept that there is a fraud/scam nature to the way Tunisian men approach us foreigners for money, I got scammed on a minor scale (phew, it was 5 TND) in Monastir and of 1 TND in Hammamet. But it swings in roundabouts, I was invited to a free lunch in Kairouan, I was allowed into a Fort for a huge discount in Kelibia (because I didn't have enough change), 2 restaurants in Hammamet gave me free drinks because I intrigued them (I look Chinese but speak French & Arabic). So yes, I will be telling more about the scam artist in Monastir - I felt sorry for him because his routine was fairly elaborate and all for 5 TND (like what, £1.75?) but it did give me a taste of what their attitude towards foreigners are like.

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  8. - PLEASE DO NOT THINK THAT EVERY VICTIMS OF THESE TUNISIAN RATS ARE UGLY! There are many – many beautiful and pretty girls/women who become victims of a rat

    - PLEASE DO NOT THINK THAT EVERY VICTIMS OF THESE TUNISIAN MEN ARE DISGUSTINGLY FAT! There are many-many thin, or normal weight girls/women who become the victim of these men. And there are also large, but beautiful Ladies. And please do not tell me that every large women are ugly, because it’s not true! The world model trend has also started to apply large models on photos, because it’s already well known that anorexic models make wrong image towards youths. And there are many-many men in the world, - especially in mediterranean regions - who don’t like the thin, anorexic women, they like larger women. A larger women could also be attractive and sexy.

    - PLEASE DO NOT THINK THAT EVERY VICTIMS OF THESE MEN ARE OLD, AND WITH 20-25-35 YEARS AGE GAPS FROM THEIR MEN! As I’ve said, there are many-many young victims of rats, but more articles prefere to „munch” on the olders. These articles totally distort the reality, and perhaps I would be brave enough to say that young victims are the majorities, but people are informed about cases with youngs only few times, because journalists thinks that it won’t increase their sales.
    And there are elderly victims too, but it doesn’t mean that they are ugly. Just think of that, you’ve said you are an old man, I don’t know what’s your job, but if you work for example in an office, and there are some business women in their 45-50, are all of them uglies????!! I think not. There are many-many women in their 45-50-55…etc…. who are very attractives, but they don’t have time to meet with men, because their life are busy, maybe they have career, hurry to home after work, cook dinner to their children….etc…
    Just look at the celebrities, for example Eva Mendez (40), Jennifer Lopez (45), Sofia Milos – the caracter of Jelena Salas from CSI Miami (45), Eva LaRue – the caracter of Natalia Boa Vista from CSI Miami (48)……..and so on……. Are they ugly???!! I think man-many men would compete for them, even youngers.

    JUST BECAUSE SOME JOURNALISTS HAVE PUBLISHED ARTICLES ABOUT OLDER WOMEN WHO HAS BEEN VICTIMS OF THESE TUNISIAN FRAUDSTERS, IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT EVERY VICTIMS OF THEM ARE UGLY, FAT, OLD AND NAIVE!!!! Please try to see fats with different eyes!

    The Tunisian Love Rat site has been set up TO WARN WOMEN WHO CAN BE FUTURE VICTIMS OF THESETUNISIAN FRAUDSTERS AND VISA SCAMMERS, and for SUPPORT THOSE WOMEN WITH WHO THE SCAM, THE FRAUD HAS DONE!

    I have to repeat again IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE, WITH YOUNG AND BEAUTIFUL WOMEN TOO!!!!!!

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    1. Allow me to continue responding to your points here.

      1. OK, I accept that we should not get hung up on the 'old/ugly' issue - that's unfair I concede. Having just traveled through Tunisia, I see 2 kinds of British travelers there. There are the extremely naive ones who arrive there, speaking no French and certainly no Arabic whatsoever and they get into all kinds of trouble simply because they are so totally stupid (for want of a better word). Yes they can be young and beautiful, but gosh some of the stories I've heard on the flight back to Gatwick, it makes me roll my eyes and think, "this is Tunisia, what the hell were you expecting? Duh." So yes, it has far, far less to do with appearance, rather what one needs when traveling around a place like Tunisia is simply just being street smart and aware of what one is getting into and certainly, a decent grasp of Arabic and French is necessary to deal with locals. Having lived in both Paris and Dubai, I speak both languages (I'm totally fluent in French, decent grasp of basic Arabic).

      2. As for women and this whole image of what constitutes as beautiful - don't get me wrong: I am very clear on this issue. I'm not a body fascist and I've always made it clear on my blog (I talk a lot about fashion for men) that one's style is far more important, it's all about creating an image and presenting your personality through your choices in fashion rather than how you look naked. Nobody walks down the street naked (well, not unless you live in a nudist colony) so I do judge people by the clothes they wear and I would make sarcastic remarks like, "eugh, did you see what he is wearing today? Looks like someone has been shopping at the local charity shop again." But it is never about the body per se for me, but about fashion.

      I suppose it still makes me judgmental about appearances if I am basing it on fashion, yes it can render me shallow and superficial, but that's the way I see people - it's not about the body, but about the way they dress.

      3. I am 38 this year. There are plenty of photos of me on my blog, I often post photos of myself from my travels. Feel free to judge my appearances. I've had to deal with losing my hair in my late 30s and now spot a (nearly) shaved head but apart from that, I don't think I look that different from my 20s.

      4. As for older women and men, again, I don't think age is a factor, it is how well you take care of yourself and IMHO, how well you present yourself through fashion. There are people who turn up looking well groomed, well dressed and you can see, aha s/he has made an effort to look good today and that makes all the difference in my opinion. It's never about just the age or body per se, it's more about presentation.

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  9. And last but not least, please look at the gallery of the Tunisian Love Rat site, do you think that "young Tunisian men" as you say - RATS (gigolos/scammers/fraudsters) -in the gallery are really attractives?

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    1. Lastly, on this point.

      Let's talk more generally about men in Tunisia rather than just the gallery per se, okay? I've just returned from Tunisia.

      In terms of physical appearances, Tunisia is a stone's throw from Italy - the distance from Mahdia (near Monastir) to Lampaedusa (an Italian island) is but 85 miles. So at least in the north of Tunisia, they generally have a very Mediterranean look which is not dissimilar from Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, Turks etc. There are better looking Tunisian men and they are really ugly ones and there's everything in between, such is the natural, random nature of such things as looks - in London where I live, we have ugly men and good looking men and everything in between, so you can never say, "English men are good looking/ugly" because you get the full spectrum.

      What I found about Tunisian men is their lack of fashion sense, they dress extremely poorly... by my London standards anyway. Perhaps that makes me an extremely shallow, decadent Westerner to care this much about fashion and yes I am vain - but it is a combination of poverty, conservative culture and the extremely hot weather than makes them dress this poorly. And there are other things as well with regards to grooming and style that makes me think that just do not have a culture that requires men to make an effort to dress well and make a genuine effort to present themselves well groomed - well, I am a Londoner and I always make an effort to look good whenever I am going to a business meeting or even just seeing friends.I suppose Tunisian guys can be exotic at best, if you're looking for something extremely different from what you are used to, or if you're desperate for a holiday romance.

      But then again, even in a place like London, yes you go get people with no style and make zero effort to dress well - not all Londoners are chic and fashionable. So if you do get someone like that turn up in Tunisia, then maybe she will be oblivious to the lack of fashion sense/grooming amongst Tunisian men and it wouldn't bother her that they dress badly.

      But also, maybe it's because I am so British, I can't stand their less than subtle approach - I'm Eurasian mixed (Chinese + European) but look distinctively non-white and when I was traveling around Tunisia, I would have strangers run up to me and say shit like, "Japonais? Chinois? Bruce Lee! Jackie Chan!" And I'm like WTF, I don't run up to every Arab I see walking down the street in London doing the same shit and shouting at them, "Iraqi? Syrian? Egyptian? Osama bin Laden!!" No, I tell them in Arabic to piss off and leave me alone when they hound me like that - like come and talk to me if you want, but don't shout BRUCE LEE!! from across the road just because you spot a Chinese looking foreigner on the street, that's just poor manners. OK not all Tunisians are that ill-mannered, but I lost count of the number of times I had to tell people to leave me alone and piss off - thank goodness I speak enough Arabic well enough to do that because let me tell you, it got irritating after a while when the 20th person runs up to you to say the same bullshit.

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    2. Perhaps it's then me being extremely picky - I would have expected a 'love rat' scammer to have the following:

      1. good looks
      2. charms (ie. good manners, smooth talking)
      3. well groomed, great fashion sense

      That would be the full package IMHO for any man who wants to try to do any kind of seduction, I can't imagine anyone who lacks any one of the three factors above to be incredibly successful in their attempts to be a love rat. From what I saw, I don't think I came across any Tunisian men who would have ticked all 3 of those boxes above (especially the fashion/well-groomed box). But the moment I landed in Gatwick airport, even though it was late at night, there were plenty of suave, good looking British men.

      I guess if you're not too picky, or if you're desperate enough, then anything goes - but me, I think I am extremely picky... But there you go. So even if some Tunisian men are blessed with extremely good looks, I'm just not convinced that they have the charms or the knowledge when it comes to grooming/fashion to have the full package to seduce successfully, only extremely well educated Tunisians who have lived abroad would understand what we consider acceptable in terms of grooming/fashion/social skills/manners etc - but then again, if you're a well educated Tunisian who has lived abroad, you wouldn't resort to being a scam artist in the first place. There are no shortage of rich people in Tunisia - it's only the poor and desperate who turn to crime like fraud.

      More stories on my travels in Tunisia coming up in my blog.

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  10. Dear Limpeh,
    You can beleive in me, there are many Tunisian rats, who have all 3 of those factors, you have mentionned above.

    Because perhaps you are not aware, that these men who work in tourism and become rats always beg for European trade mark clothes, and unfortunately usually receive those from their European girlfriends/wives.

    Therefore there are many-many waiters and animators, ...etc.. who wear for example original Zara,Tommy Hilfiger, Massimo Dutti.....etc... clothes according to the latest trend. There are many gigolos who dress elegant, according to the European standards, because they know well that they can seduce women with this more easily. These are the most determined gigolos. Usually these are those gigolos who can get young women too, because they are enough handsome, and well-groomed therefore they can be picky. But they do exactly the same scam with youngs too. And usually next to their young "girlfriends" they have many olds too, because usually olds have much more money, and bigger house, and marry more easily, because perhaps they think they are enough old, have adult children, and there's nothing to lose.... However they also have things to lose, their properties, and assets after divorce, but mostly the emotional damage what they suffer from these rats ......

    Beleive in me, there are many French victims too, it's not about naivity and language problem. There are victims from all over the world. And I dare to say that youngs are the majority, but people only pay attention for olds with huge age gaps, because it appears to them. From a couple in the same or similar age nobody would think it's a scam, even the woman, who is in that relationship. Therefore it seem to be natural to see them together. However in most cases it's also a scam. Just youngs feel much more ashamed because of the humiliation, and don't publish their case. That's why you can always read in newspaper about old, fat and ugly women.

    Yes it's known that Tunisians like to scam Europeans, and everybody as well, for example in the bazaar, or in other shops, or when they rent some watersport service,....etc....

    But the problem that women (youngs and olds) meet with a Tunisian man, who seduce them, and convince them that "HE IS DIFFERENT". They are masters in pretending, playing roles, and manipulation. You can't get enough issue about these within a week.

    And beleive in me, after spending many happy and beautiful times with a Tunisian man (I don't mean a 1-2 week holiday romance, I mean a longer relationship in which they meet many times a year, and for longer times not only few weeks) you don't give a s..ht if he is not 100% dressed according to your taste, and the latest trendstyle.
    These men behave 100% according to women's needs. (unfortunately it's only a pretending, but women don't aware of this when they are in love with them, and until it turns light) They make women beleive that they are genuine and beautiful inside...... That is the biggest problem. And if they character are nice, and they are "beautiful inside" who cares about their fashion sense??!!

    I'm also an educated, elegant young business woman, who like well groomed, well dressed men, and beleive in me, I'm very picky, but in my opinion style can be formed. That's not the most important thing for me in a man. And I think many women think the same.

    I know men think differently they can see the created image, and the presented personality - as you've said - at first and they choose women according to this. But what worth a presented personality if it's opposite to the real one? And what happen after the costume falls down? For a longterm relationship, for love, these outsider things are not enough. But these Tunisian love rats pretends very well that they have nice personality. Therefore they can easily scam women.

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    1. Dear Cristelle,

      Thank you for your reply. Allow me to reply to your points.

      1. On the issue of fashion, well, call me shallow - but even as I stayed in a nice 5 star resort in Hammamet, I noticed that the local men dressed very, very badly. I simply chalked it down to the poverty, hot climate and culture that is so different from London where I live - I think it takes a certain amount of effort, money and research if these men wanted to make an effort to appear trendy and fashionable to women of another culture. You've stated that some of these Tunisian love rats do make an effort - well, they're in the minority as I mostly thought the dress sense amongst the locals was pretty poor. But that's just me being incredibly shallow and judgmental about fashion.

      2. Old or young? I think that you've made a good point - I ran into a group of young Brits on holidays and they were haggling in the medina because they were university students who were done to their last few dinars and they said to me, "we're students, we're skint, we have no money" - that is why they chose to come to Tunisia for it was a cheap destination. I remember what it was like when I first started working as well - I was skint, I was waiting for payday, I didn't have that much money in my 20s. Such is the nature of the game - if these love rats were really after money, then they would clearly go for someone who has been working a while and has accumulated some wealth.

      3. I understand the nature of the scams a bit more - having been scammed myself (for the grand sum of 5 TND, like £1.57?) in Monastir and I blogged about it here http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/to-beg-or-to-scam-that-is-question.html I suppose for myself, I was so confident that I was not going to be scammed in Tunisia because I speak French and Arabic, but it was probably because I was over confident in my dealing with the locals that led to me being scammed by that old man (who didn't even have to speak a word of English to scam me).

      4. Like I said before in reference to my neighbour, the older lady who keeps complaining non-stop because she craves attention, we live in a society where we are brought up to study hard, work hard but are often left to figure out the complexities of friendship and love with little help or instruction. Some of us are blessed with parents, siblings or friends who can sit down and explain these things to us, others are left to figure them out through trial and error - some of us manage to learn along the way, others still don't know understand how love works after many years. Maybe it is the way our social interaction is increasingly digital - friends speak to each other online rather than in person, we exchange opinions like this rather than debate in person... That's why I can totally see my neighbour falling for a Tunisian love rat because people like her simply have not picked up the necessary social skills along the way in her life. I can't comment about you Cristelle, since I don't know you - I am just making a general observation about the way we now interact in our modern society.

      5. I take your point about character vs appearances. Like I said, I am very shallow when it comes to appearances, but I think my obsession with fashion stems from the fact that you can tell a LOT about a person by the way they dress. It's not just a matter of making a fashion statement, it's giving me clues about the person I am meeting. Since I don't want to start asking inquisitive questions about a person's background when I have just met that person, I use my powers of observation to work this out through clues they give me in their appearances, accent, behaviour etc.

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  11. Dear Limpeh,

    Thank you for your reply. Well, I agree with you in that, that the rate of being well-groomed can show something about the person. But not everything! How many well groomed, and well dressed fraudster, thief,..etc..does exist? Many! Just think about for example famous, corrupt politics, or corrupt company leaders, CIO-s.. They wear the most expensive, and most latest style suits, they go to the hairdressers and to manicurist every weeks, And yet, do they have nice personalities?

    Or I should speak about some mafia members, and drug smugglers. Do they have nice personalities, only because they are well-groomed, and well dressed? I think we can agree, they don't.

    What you point out about dressing and personality, it's not else, only a good self-marketing. I work in a big elegant office building, where wearing business suit is obligatory, therefore for example if somebody came here in a dirty, torn jeans and in a T-shirt for job interview, or for a negotiation, I would also think the same as you, that he/she is undemanding, and I would also suppose the same about his/her work moral. There are places, and worklpaces, where it must to appear well dressed and in business casual.
    But the fact that somebody dress according to these dress codes, doesn't mean that he is a "good-guy" inside.

    I haven't been in Hammamet, I know only other resort places in Tunisia, but there I could see many well-groomed, clean, demanding and well dressed men. (unfortunately gigolos) Perhaps they are the minority, I don't know. I agree that the average Tunisians are not well dressed, because of their proverty.

    But women have to meet only ONE, who impress them, and make them fall in love, It's not difficult to walk into their traps. Especially into well groomed and well dressed rats' traps. Because - as you - women suppose that because of their dressing, and because of being well-groomed, they are DIFFERENT! That's exactly that image what they have created about themselves for European women. That's why they are very dangerous! Because women suppose that they have real perspectives, real objectives to break out from that social level in which they force to live because of the country's proverty. And yes, they have objectives, but unfortunately not on that level, as women thinks. They don't have objectives to learn, to educate themselves, and apply for a good position at a good company. But they have objectives to gain the easiest money, and to gain visa to Europe in the fastest and easiest way.

    You spoke about young university students who go to Tunisia, but not olny students are those, who go to Tunisia, but still young. There are many women in their 25-30 (please do not say they are olds!!), who have university degree, good job, in good position at an international company, or at a bank for example, or they are medical doctors, or lawyers, who have enough "pleasant" salaries for their living in Europe. These women are unfortunately easy victims, especially if the Tunisian man is well dressed and well groomed - as you say.

    Because they can see that "he is different", and comparing to his circumstances he try to dress and behave according to modern, European standards. They beleive in perceptions, and they suppose, he is a decent, genuine one. However this reasoning is FAULTY!
    These men are actually the biggest and the most succesfull scammers, and they are very succesfull in their created images, with their look. They know well, that people have perceptions, and they will suppose if they are well dressed and well groomed, they have beautiful personality.

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  12. I don't know your neighbour, - maybe her case is a special one, and/or maybe she is indeed desperate, and don't have possibility to date personally with men, I don't know....but for what I don't judge her..... - and I haven't been in London, I'm from abroad, please forgive me for my mistakes in my English. It's not because I'm uneducated, or have accent, it's because I'm from abroad.

    But in many cases I can see British tourists in my country, and well...errrr..... sorry to say but not all of them have style in their dressing. There are well dressed and not well dressed people everywhere in the world, but being not well dressed doesn't mean that they are bad people. And there are many people who live in proverty, therefore they are not well dressed.

    As far as Tunisians concerned, in Tunisia there are no European owned clothes shops (as Zara, or Marks and Spencer, or Pepe Jeans, or Massimo Dutti,....etc.....) But they have many Chinese clothes. Therefore it's hard for them to be well dressed and to establish an own dressing style. They have Internet, they can see the website of some of these trade marks, and they try to imitate it in their level. (At least the more demanding ones) Those ones who really have clothes from these trade marks - as I've said before - they have obviousely gained it from their European girlfriends/wives, or have been in Europe personally. (by scaming and marrying a European women, and with spousal visa)......

    Of course we don't know eachother with you Limpeh, I just would like to give you and the readers a different point of view, a different mindset about these relationships with Tunisian Love Rats, because after the published articles - in which old women suffered from the scam of their 25-35 years younger husbads - people's perception is that it can happen only with olds. And unfortunately people are inclined to judge, before knowing the facts. And from these articles they think that every victims are old, fat and ugly. As I've said before, these things makes much more difficult for young victims to speak about their emotional damage and humiliation what they have suffered from these men, because they know they don't fit into this category. And these articles guide them to be easy victims, because they think, they are young and beautiful, it's obviousely a true love.

    I have to repeat: TUNISIAN MEN USE GIRLS/WOMEN FOR THEIR MONEY IN ANY AGE AND IN ANY LOOK, EVERYBODY CAN BECOME A VICTIM OF THEM!

    They can only see in young and beautiful women too the possibility of gaining easy money, the free sex with a beautiful woman, and the boarding pass to Europe.

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  13. It does not only happen to old fat white woman! It Can happen to nice looking, brown and very young girls as well. Tunisian men take whatever they Can, it is only a plus if the girl looks nice and is nice to be with. Anybody Can be a victim. These men are very good Actors.

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  14. Seeing that over half the population in USA and UK are obese because money can buy lots of sugary treats doesn’t mean that they are unloveable. Africans in general like curves anyway. If only “the beautiful” were deserving of love, then that would be less than 10 per cent. However make up and plastic surgery has upped that percentage. Tunisian love rats are despised because they basically lie and defraud their victims by playing on human emotions. They are organised crime because they sit and discuss various programmes on how to entice and capture their vulnerable victim who could be attractive or not. If they were simply prostitutes that asked for money for their services they could be forgiven but they destroy their victims self esteem. Play on their insecurities with games of control and extortion and leave them heartbroken. Money cant buy you love but it can buy you a lot of therapy afterwards or an early grave with all that stress! Having said that I’m one of those supposedly daft women who go in with their eyes open having done the research and think about living in the now and feeling her man is a decent law abiding Tunisian Citizen but due to all the bad press and stereotyping Time will only tell if I’ve actually defied the odds about age gap love with a Tunisian. The fact is Ive dated younger most of my life and my British ex husband was also younger simply because I don’t look or feel my age due to good genes I suppose. Being an ex Beauty pageant queen helped and later a plus size model. Men pursue me more now then when I was a spring chicken. I’m not quite an old turkey that needs basting ...Er well I need something and us older ladies are chuckling at that word companionship! These young ratty men each deserves an internship in Hollywood or Tunieville even though we know it’s not going to be a Hollywood Ending, think of real life Titanic! But hey it was a great romantic read. An experience to be cherished. Oh no, Tunisia is not cheap, it can be expensive depending on what’s on offer!

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