Now this begs the question, "Pa, why didn't you say anything if you were suffering so much? Just tell the dentist you were in pain." He said he trusted the dentist and he thought the dentist or the nurse could read from his facial expression that he was in pain. So he just sat there and suffered in silence. Cue face palm. Now here's why I am worried okay? My dad is an old man - he is 76. Any intense shock, like acute pain, could easily trigger off something like a heart attack. I don't want him to suffer something like that as a result of a botched dental treatment - not at his age and certainly, I don't want him to suffer any kind of physical pain like that. Furthermore, I am sure the dentist could have done something there and then to alleviate my dad's suffering if he knew my dad was in such pain!
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Why couldn't my dad bring himself to speak up? |
That frustrates me - my dad's blind spots. As I tried to talk sense into him (on Skype), my sister made an expression which told me that yes, she has already had that conversation with him and no, she couldn't talk any sense into him. He kept blaming the dentist when we kept telling him, "you have to say something to the dentist if you're in pain or discomfort. You cannot just keep quiet like that - if you don't say anything, how can the dentist know that you are suffering?" Whilst I wanted to be sympathetic, his stubborn refusal to accept that he should have said something frustrated the hell out of me. He simply refused to accept that he could have and should have said something.
We're not talking about rocket science here - what kind of person would just sit there and suffer root canal surgery with insufficient or no anesthetic? Did my father even have any concept of self-preservation? When I had my recent accident during rehearsals, believe you me, I was screaming in pain when it happened. Everyone in the vicinity could here me scream in pain when it happened and they got me the medical help I needed within moments. I talked about putting up with pain and suffering (吃苦) to achieve one's goals, but what my dad put himself through is completely different: that was putting up with unnecessary suffering with absolutely nothing to gain from the terrible trauma.
Anyway, I could only come to the conclusion that my dad is simply, well, for want of a better word, not particularly bright when it came to things like that. No intelligent person would have done what he did. My dad is a very simple man - he worked as a primary school teacher all his life (he's 76 now and retired many years ago). He knows his way around a PSLE Chinese syllabus inside out and he felt very safe in the primary school environment where he could have a lot of control over his students in the classroom. Take him out of that context and put him somewhere, like a dental clinic and he lacks even the most basic common sense to function. Don't get me started on the number of times my father has said some incredibly naive things about life outside the primary school environment - it's like he has no idea what goes on in the real world since he has never really had to deal with the real world for most of his life.
A couple of weeks back, my dad said something extremely hurtful to me on Skype. Now I will not go into it in detail - but I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he said it out of sheer ignorance and stupidity, rather than spite. He wasn't deliberately trying to insult or mock me, he simply said the first thing that came to his mind without making any effort to consider if it was tactful or appropriate. When I tried to explain to him why what he said was tactless and inappropriate, he completely went off on a tangent and started getting defensive over something that happened in 1990. Imagine my frustration and confusion, like what the hell are you on about? I am not talking about what happened in 1990, I am talking about what you said 5 minutes ago. But such is my dad - he can remember what happened in 1990 very clearly, but he struggles to remember what he had for dinner yesterday. That is a common feature with old people.
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My dad can be very tactless with me on Skype and often insults me without realizing it. |
Fortunately for me, my sister stepped in and moderated, explaining gently to my dad that he was totally barking up the wrong tree. Phew, I swear I don't know how I would communicate with my parents if not for my wonderful sister. I don't think my dad would every understand why what he said to me was tactless at best (well it was downright insulting), but we're talking about a confused, silly - I'm going to use the word that Winkingdoll told me not to use - stupid old man who would sit through root canal treatment and suffer in silence without telling the dentist anything. Sometimes the depths of my dad's sheer stupidity astonishes me and the root canal incident takes it to a whole new level.
Ooh I know I have crossed some Asian line here - we're not supposed to talk about our parents like that, to point out that they're not very educated, rather ignorant or even plain stupid. If you're going to hate me for breaking that social taboo, if you think I'm being incredibly disrespectful to my father for talking about this on my blog, then so be it. I can live with that - I do think however, that I have other readers who can probably relate to what I am talking about here and I am looking for their empathy. I just can't do the Asian thing where you only talk about the good things about our families in order not to 'lose face' and you simply refuse to wash dirty linen in public. Oooh that's a big Asian taboo.
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Are traditional Chinese values valid in this modern age? |
I am pissed off with stupid Asian culture, these assumptions that somehow because our parents are so freaking old, that somehow we must respect them for being old, that somehow older people are wiser people. That's utter bullshit and you know it. Maybe over 200 years ago, people had much shorter life expectancy back then and people died from everything from the flu to chicken pox to diarrhea - so to make it to the age of 60 or 70 was actually a pretty big deal when everyone else was dying by the age of about 40. But with modern technology and medicine, everyone's making it to their 70s and 80s these days - so should we be automatically respecting someone for simply "staying alive"?
In light of this, let me put my hand up and admit that I am the one making the stupid mistake by having unrealistically high expectations of my dad - I have always had such high expectations of him as a child and had always felt let down and disappointed all my life by him. In hindsight, I had been the one who has been unfair to my dad - I really should have seen his limitations and lowered my expectations a long time ago, that would have spared myself so much disappointment over the years. As a child, I was very unrealistic - I was thinking about what kind of father I wanted to have, what kind of parenting and support I needed/wanted, what kind of father-son relationship I would like to have - my expectations were based on my desires rather than reality. Thus in hindsight, I guess I deserved to be disappointed - I can see where I had been foolish and made bad errors of judgement.
Can I make this point clear please: I don't hate my dad for saying tactless crap to me all the time, I am not angry with him at all when he insults me. Sure I may feel frustration at times (who wouldn't?) but really, all I want to do these days is rescue him from his own stupidity and make sure that he doesn't do anything stupid that endangers his health. I don't want a repeat of the dental incident, I just don't want him to suffer as a result of his sheer stupidity. He simply refuses to see himself as an old man who needs to be taken care of though, he is fiercely independent and so incredibly stubborn. Anyway, with this in mind, the next time he says something tactless or hurtful to me (which no doubt he will in the near future), I will remember this dental incident and just let it go, or as we say in French, laissez-tomber.
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It's hard to react when my dad insults me without even realizing it. |
I am wondering if any of my readers have parents in their 70s who can be just as difficult to handle? What are the challenges that you face caring for your aged parents? What kind of advice do you have for someone like me trying to deal with my stubborn father? Do let me know please, kindly leave a comment below. Many thanks for reading.
Not much advice, but a commiserate pat on the shoulder. My mom is mid 60s and she's just the same. I'm bringing her on a short trip to Beijing in 2 weeks because "Chinese people need to see the Great Wall" or something like that. I've been to Shanghai, but that was during the World Expo, so the city was very cleaned up. I'm more leery about Beijing though (and especially due to the comments in the prev post! Haha!).
ReplyDeleteMy mom is also very Chinese, somewhat like your dad I think. She was English educated, but has become super idealised Chinese, like everything in China is good, everything Chinese is good, how US bullies China, etc etc. She gets excited talking to a PRC because they are Real Chinese and they have all those years of culture backing them up and such. Never mind that most of the PRCs she meets are "lower class", in the sense that they aren't the high fliers who make good $$$ in the upper tier cities in China. She'll go on and on about "us Chinese were bullied last time by and it's time for us Chinese to stand up again". Ugh. Facepalm.
She also used to have violent bouts and strange ideas. For many years she was convinced that everyone was spying on her. SingTel staff was reading her sms/listening to her phone calls, the dentist's Malay assistant was one of Them. LKY, Obama, Emperor of Japan were all reading her sms. etc etc. And so she would (and still does) take it upon herself to educate them, namely, she will send me sms about Buddhism and Sai Baba. It would (and still does) drive me up the wall because, man. Don't send me sms like that! I've expressed my displeasure many times but to no avail. Now I just delete them.
She used to force us to go to her Sai Baba temple, but, we could not go in with her. We had to go in separately and pretend to not know each other. Why? Because the peeps there will then ask her qns, oh is this your daughter? Is she married? Blah blah blah. Actually, that goes for walking around our block too. She would always trail rather than walk with me. Due to the same reasoning.
Anyways. I kinda fixed the violent bout thing. How? Dragged her to IMH. No it wasn't pretty. No I don't wish it on anyone. But really things were getting out of hand. So life is much better now. She still has strange ideas though. Can't get rid of 'em. Heh.
My mother has this idea that you're a child as long as you're not married (with kids <-- new stipulation). So whenever I tried to reason with her last time, she would pull this 你还是小孩子 line that shuts down the whole argument. Like hello? I am in my 30s. A kid? Granted you have seen things I haven't seen yet, but it is the same for me too. It's slightly better now that I'm hitched (and after the IMH episode) but I'm still not an adult yet since I don't have kids. Maybe your dad is along that line too. Hah.
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ReplyDeletePersonally I think it's kinda pointless to reason. 硬对硬. Even if you win, so what? The bottomline is, you're not gonna change his mind. He's not going to suddenly be self aware and understanding that there's room for *gasp* 2(!! or more) differing ideas and opinions, and it's pointless antagonising him and yourself. Here, I'll adopt my hand waving technique. Just wave it all away.
If it's important, then I've already said what I can say. It's up to the other party to take it. If not, and if it is a truly important issue, I'll make sure I'll be there (or send some responsible representative) to ensure things go all right (or as I would say, to my specifications :P)
If it's not important, then, in the grand scheme of things, what he (or well my mom) thinks with regards to our bones of contention (for us it's mainly religion and this fixation on Chinese culture) is irrelevant to me. She can think all she wants about Sai Baba being God, and she'll keep telling me that regardless of what I say, and I have been rather sharp with her wrt that. Nowadays I just change the topic immediately or not engage her at all.
It takes 2 to have an argument. I'm not playing this game.
Hi 孤独な天使 - thanks for your super long message. I guess I knew there were no easy answers, I am just looking for empathy and maybe create a safe place for us to talk about things like that, get the frustration off our chests ...
DeleteGood to rant sometimes. Keeping it in is never good.
DeleteI'm glad I have my friends to rant during the darker times. Heh.
Even though your father was a teacher who did not have higher education like we did, I do not understand why he was so silly with the dentist incident. I mean, you do not need a university education to know that if you are in pain, you need to tell someone, especially when the doctor/dentist is around. That is puzzling, and I understand your infuriation with him. Now, about him being tactless ... My dear, I told you in a prior post that your expectations of your parents are too high. You want something they cannot give you. Time and time again, you set yourself up for disappointment. I felt the same with my mom when she was around. When she passed away, I cried not so much for her passing but for what could have been had we had a better relationship. I cried for what it never was. I know it was silly. How could I mourn for what I never had? But I did.
ReplyDeleteYou are so right. You can show kindness and compassion to your parents. Respect? That has to be earned. That Asian bs about showing respect to your elders is stupid. Anyone who is older than you, we were told to show respect. What if that person was a bigot? What if he does not recycle, spits on the floor, cheats on his taxes, and scams his business partner? Are we to respect him just because he is Uncle Ah Beng, cousin of Mom's twice removed? Forget it!
Hi Di, thanks again for your kind words.
DeleteAs for the dentist incident, I don't know - it's a combination of my dad's naivety + the general silliness of his behaviour as he gets older. I worry about him and the worst part is that he is completely OBLIVIOUS to his behaviour. He wants to care for his grandson but soon his grandson may need to care for him at this rate. Sigh.
His health is pretty okay for what it is worth - he is active and healthy, he is mobile, he can see his friends, he can travel, he can do plenty of things.It's his mind that is just not quite as sharp as it was before.
And of course, you and I are exactly on the same wavelength about treating the elderly with compassion, kindness and patience rather than respect. :)
One thing I know about Asian parents is that most are long-suffering and attention-seeking. Your dad sounded like my mil. She is only 18 years older than my husband and myself. Yes, you guessed right, she was slutty schoolgirl and married an older man. When she was 44 years old, my husband and I were newly married. My uncles, who were in their 30s called my husband to give him crap for neglecting their sister, my mil. You see, since my husband's refusal to return home, she had refused to attend family weddings and events. She refused to wear make-up, jewelry, or saris. She said she would only do those things when her eldest son (my husband returned home). She was behaving like a Hindu widow where by husband was concerned. How creepy was that?! Everyone around her fussed over her. In this case, people involved were not old people. Yet, they all bought into the stupid Asian concept that the eldest son had to take care of his 44 year old mother. She was not dying of any real illness. My husband was not a nurse, so what was there to take care of? She had enough money to live on. She had another son around in Singapore and siblings galore. Anyway, when we sent her a ticket to come to Canada, she came with her mother because of course she could not travel alone. She complained of this and that. One was her back pain. Her doctor had given her some pills, but she refused to take them. Every time she moved, she would say, "Aiyoh, aiyoh, ..." I told her to take her pills as that was the sensible thing to do. She refused. I told her she just wanted attention. She got furious. I said we all have body aches of sorts, and we take pain killers. Move on already. I also told her that my husband was not her husband. He was not going to accompany her to weddings and family events. She was only 44 years old. Just move on already! She started screaming about how her she was a widow, and she needed her eldest son. I asked, "For what? A husband replacement?" You can imagine how that ended. UGLY! Talk about Oedipus complex!
DeleteAlex, your dad's refusal to tell the dentist of the pain is him being long-suffering, Why are Asian parents so long-suffering? I know plenty of white people who are old, 70s, 80s, ... but they do things on their own. Travel, go to the doctors, join clubs, have hobbies, etc. Yet Asian parents would rather languish at home or with their families waiting for death to knock. As I am typing this, my back is sore from work and driving. Perhaps I should call my son to sayang me by calling out, "Aiyoh! AIyoh! I am such a poor thing! I worked all day, and now I am in such pain!" Nope, I am going to take some pills and drool over Anderson Cooper on CNN. And I am older than 44 years old. Shhhh!
In light of this Di (which makes a lot of sense) - here's my theory. Maybe the dentist did administer anesthetic (hard to imagine a dentist doing the whole root canal procedure without any at all) but it was an uncomfortable, painful procedure anyway even with anesthetic. So my dad was exaggerating to draw attention to himself to get his family to fuss over him - but it backfired when our reaction was, "aiyoh why you so silly, why didn't you say anything..." And given the way my dad is Mr Tactless personified, it hardly surprises me that his attempts to come up with a story to illicit pity/sympathy from his family is so badly constructed that it has the wrong effect (ie. us worrying/blaming him, rather than feeling sorry for him).
DeleteWhat say you to that theory Di?
Yes, it does sounds suspicious that the doctor would not administer anesthetic on a root canal. If the doctor did, it would still hurt, and Daddy dearest wanted pity and sympathy. He could have said, "Gosh, it still hurts! I am going to have to take more Tylenol 3 (or whatever was prescribed for the pain post-procedure)." Then you and your sisters would all commiserate with him about how bloody painful these procedures are, and tell him to take the painkillers and sleep it off. If the doctor did indeed NOT give him the anesthetic, he should have said something during the procedure. Either way, he acted like a silly child. Then he expected sympathy, but like you said, it backfired because logic was missing. Asian parents think they need to be pitiful in order to draw love and attention from their offspring. They do not realise that it is annoying and frustrating. He is puzzled by your frustrations and will chalk it up to you not understanding his pain or of being callous. We cannot win.
DeleteHi Di, I actually did laugh out aloud in the lift when I read your post (on my phone). "We cannot win." How true is that. I would definitely sympathize anyone who has to go through with root canal surgery, trust me, I've had my share of dental work over the years and I hate going to the dentist. I have so much compassion for anyone who requires a lot of dental work - including for my dad - which is why it puzzles me that he chose to react like that in this case.
DeleteI know that dentist he goes to in S'pore - he is very good and with any major dental surgery, if you are in a lot of pain, the dentist can increase the dosage of the anesthetic drugs, so as to help you cope with the suffering.
As for my dad coming up with a dumbass story about the dentist not giving him enough or any anesthetic... I don't know - either he is a bad liar who comes up with dumbass bullshit to get our attention (I can live with that) or he really is that stupid to suffer in silence - the latter scares me more, as I just wanna protect him from his own stupidity in that case.
My mother in law is not exactly the most rational person either and she is around the same age as my dad. She gets so easily distracted and is getting very forgetful. But I don't think she would ever resort to acting pitiful just to get our attention - no, if she wants to get our attention, she just picks up the phone and calls us (and she bores the hell outta me at times admittedly when she talks about fracking in Ireland), but there's definitely something very Asian about my dad's beavhiour in this episode.
Di - my dad got into a car accident today. Nothing that major, he stopped at a junction and some dozy idiot ran into him from behind because that dozy idiot didn't break in time. My dad's fine and insurance will cover the damage to the car - but yeah, there was a lot of acting up on his part to try to get us all to fuss over him. Now either my dad is too old to drive and we should take the car away from him (my dad will never give up the car, COE or not, he values his ability to drive around and not use public transport too much) - or we are just going to have to get use to his fussing.
DeleteTrust me, I got into a car accident in Indonesia under the same circumstances and it freaked the hell outta me, I have so much empathy and sympathy for my dad. I just don't like his fussing because I think it is unnecessary: my kindness, charity, patience and compassion will be forthcoming without that kind of emotional blackmail.
*typo: brake, not break
DeleteI am glad your dad is fine. Accidents can be scary, depending on the extent of injury, if any, prior incidents, and the mental state of the party involved. Most people assure their loved ones they are fine, especially if that is true. Most will admit that while they are fine, the experience was unpleasant, if not unsettling. Your dad maybe lacking the ability to express those feelings. Thus, he resorted to fussing thinking that was the only way to draw sympathy and empathy from you. It's really too bad our parents are unable to relate to us. Ideally, he could have said, "I am ok, son. It was an unpleasant situation. I am still a little shaken, but I am glad I am ok. I just need a cup of tea and take a nap. Glad I spoke to you. Take care." You see, our parents think if they depict themselves are pitiful, then only will we give them love. At least, that's what my mom did. That's what my mil still does. Like you said, emotional blackmail. Sigh. Thank God he is fine, though. xo.
DeleteHi Di and thanks for your response. Gosh, it's never easy to articulate our feelings when it comes to complex incidents that illicit a range of emotional responses. I like blogging as it allows me to put words on a page, edit it, read it back, make sense of it before publishing it - it helps me organize my thoughts and I have to train myself to do it otherwise it's just a big mess of confusion in my head.
DeleteI admit, I used to be like my parents when I was much younger - I thought that the only way I could get their attention was if I made a fuss because how else were they going to pay any attention to me. Gosh, I could have turned out to be just as messed up as them with very low EQ - thank goodness I managed to break away from that mould. They don't know any better - this is all about EQ, being able to relate to others emotionally, dealing with people. They talk about my autistic nephew having low EQ but good grief, my parents can be just as hopeless.
I think it's a cultural thing. More so in Asian families, though not exclusively. There was a public message which my nephew sent me. It was in Hokkien. A group of old ladies were playing majhong in an open space. They were each bragging about their kids. One was a surgeon making $$$$$$, another was some hot shot, etc. They went around the table. They all commented that none of their kids were free to spend them with them. Then it went to one old lady. She said her son was doing fine. In fact he was going to pick her up. Then of course the son arrived in a simple sedan with his wife and family. He said, "Mom, today we are driving to Cameron." Mom was pleased. Everyone at the table was envious because this son took the time to drive his mom to Cameron Highlands. Then the public message: Spend time with your parents because they need you. I was aggravated by this message. I was thinking that these moms pretended to be so hapless. They were in their 60s and 70s. Sharp enough to play mahjong. Why couldn't they hop onto a tour bus and travel together? Why do they need their kids? As for their highly successful kids not having free time --- DUH?! They pushed their kids to success. Then when they have no time, they lament. What highly successful business person or surgeon has the time to pack the whole family into a car to drive the old lady to Cameron Higlhlands on the spur of the moment? That guy who drove the sedan looked like a working-class guy who punched the clock. Of course he had the time. Point is, the message seemed to say that if we are too busy with our careers, we cannot be good sons and daughters. How about the fact that it's our dedication that brought us success? Like we said, us Asian jchildren just can't win. Make lots of money = too busy for parents=bad children. Make less money = not highly successful = more time for parents = but people will talk about your lack of success.
DeleteWell, let me tell you about my late uncle who was super crazy rich. He was my dad's older brother and he ran a super successful timber business and was a multi-millionaire. He had two kids, one in Australia, one in Canada - neither wanted to live in Singapore even as he was near the end. What did his money buy him? Two live-in nurses who took care of his every need - they brought him his slippers, his tea, turned the TV on for him, changed the channel for him, he just had to ask them and they would do it. No there was nothing sexual going on - at that age, he couldn't be sexual with those two nurses but I think they were expecting him to leave them something when he died (and he did some years ago). They were like two vultures who hovered over the dying man.
DeleteWe have the money to hire someone to take care of my dad like that if it ever came to it - so that he would never have to lift a finger to do anything. But my mother hates the idea of having a stranger in the house, she never trusted my sister's maids and is always accusing the maids of trying to steal her things. I just don't know what would happen say in ten or fifteen years.
Anyway, I have just such a dysfunctional relationship with my parents that I don't think I will be in any position to try to care for them - I'll gladly pay for a maid to do so or literally hire one of those vultures who worked for my late uncle.
Talking about Asian vs Western thinking. How do those in UK handle their aging parents. I know most youngsters are pretty independent and the same goes for their parents in that they don't depend on their children to take care or entertain then during their retirement years.
DeleteBut when the are no longer able to take care of themselves then what?
Choaniki - that's what carers are for. My late uncle had 2 full time carers to care for him as he was near the end. Imagine if hypothetically, one of your parents is in ill-health and needs a carer. Do you:
Deletea) quit your job, live off your earnings and be a full time carer for your parent until your parent either passes away or gets well enough to live independently again?
b) continue working, earn more money to hire a carer to take care of your parent
The only solution that makes any sense when it comes to the financial situation is b) - how long can you live off your savings before you run into debt? Secondly, a carer knows exactly how to cope with such a situation - they are trained professionals whilst we are not nurses or have had the proper training to care for the elderly.
I'm sorry if it sounds cold - but such is the reality of the situation. And that doesn't vary whether you're talking about Asia or the West.
Well the government would in Singapore would have you take all to responsibility for caring for your parents and children since the state doesn't provision for it. In fact they keep throwing playing the filial card and even build new 3Gen HDB flats just for it.
DeleteSorry I just spotted a typo in my comment above, it should read:
Deletea) quit your job, live off your SAVINGS
In the UK, there are old people who have little savings and no children - the welfare state takes care of them, as it does so many other people who have no means to take care of themselves. One does wonder what happens to old people with neither money or children in Singapore? Over to you.
Rhetorical question? Will answer anyway. Since the government washes it's hands off social responsibility these people end up homeless (quite a lot of them actually).
DeleteThose who are mobile will scavenge paper or metal to resell. Those who aren't will have to depend on charity or religious organizations for free meals and healthcare.
Of course rhetorical question lah.
DeleteI still remember the old men selling tissue paper in the food court being shooed out in a less than dignified manner by the PRC workers there - and I thought, great, that's what Singapore has become.
This is what people do in Canada. Most people, except Asians in Canada. When both spouses are alive, and at least one is able to take care of the other, they stay at their home. When one spouse is left behind after the other dies, and that living spouse becomes sick/frail as well, then it's time to sell the house and move into a senior home. There are orderlies and nurses and perhaps a doctor on call at these places. Meals are taken care of. You have your own suite/apartment. There are activities and outings. If you are gravely ill, you move into a residents' home where the people are dying. There are more medical services there. Your children visit you often if they are in the city; otherwise, whenever they can. That is the way it should be. No one should have to quit his job. What can we do anyway? We are not trained properly. That is just silly. Some families even expect the wives to look after the old in-laws. Forget it!
DeleteHi LIFT, that generation will NEVER admit to being wrong about ANYTHING in front of us. In the case of your father's dental treatment, for sure in hindsight, he realises how utterly irrational he was being by not speaking up yet expecting the dentist to know it was painful. But how can he admit it? Thus, he comes up with a multitude of excuses to justify his silence.
ReplyDeleteI am not close to my folks and my wife has tried to be the mediator. When she points out their parenting flaws, they give 101 reasons why they were RIGHT to do what they did, and they insist I am to blame for the rift that subsequently developed between them and me. Well if that's the way they want it, they can continue living in their delusional world.
My advice is to "give in" to your dad, and let him think he is right. This way, you will not have to bang your head against a brick wall every time you talk to him. Meanwhile, some of the messages you wish to convey will get through to him subconsciously, because he will be more open and receptive when he isn't gearing up for battle trying to defend himself in the face of your accusatory arguments. Trust me, he isn't as "stupid" as you think, and as long as you talk sense (which you always do), it WILL sink in.
Hi and thanks for your message.
DeleteYou know, I can live with the fact that he is unreasonable, tactless, delusional and stubborn, that he will never admit he is wrong - that I can live with (heck I've been living with that all my life - what's new?) - but what scares and worries me is the new depths of stupidity (ref: dentist). If you can reassure me that my dad isn't as "stupid" as I think - then that is good. I just want him to retain some sense of self-preservation, so he can save himself from unnecessary pain and suffering (ref: dentist, but also other similar incidents in life).
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ReplyDeleteI don't have good advice since I'm on "don't call me I'll call you" terms with my parents.
ReplyDeleteBut I think you're make the same mistake as our MPs by using the term "Asian values" since Asia consists of 40 over countries and I don't think Russians or Middle Eastern people have the same hang ups.
Rather this is a remnant of Confucius teachings and totally irrelevant to modern society. This unquestioning respect and deference to elders and people in authority will be the death of Singapore as a country.
At least Mao has killed of all these traditional culture in PRC and you frequently hear of stories of parents disowning their children when the reach adulthood and vice versa.
Hi Choaniki - point taken ref: Asian values vs Confucius teachings.
DeleteYour dad lived at a different time where less information is available. Have you ever thought if you lived at his time your critical thinking skills would be much lower? You were luckier, you had better teachers and could study and work in uk, gaining more life experiences. Not to bring in the filial piety shit, but extend your compassion to him born in a less ideal time than us.
ReplyDeleteJohn, whilst I appreciate your effort to respond to my post, I have to say you're totally wrong on so many levels.
DeleteYes my dad is 76 but guess what? He went to dentists back in the 2000s, 1990s, 1980s, 1970s, 1960s, 1950s - maybe there weren't that many dentists around during WW2, the Japanese occupation of British Malaya and the years immediately after the war, but my dad has had over 6 decades of experience visiting the dentist. You talk as if he is some suaku country bumpkin from some remote corner of China who has never ever visited a dentist in the last 6 decades before - well newsflash: my dad spent the last 6 decades in Singapore with pretty rotten teeth and has had regular visits to the dentists for the last decades. It is really nothing new to him, that's why we know his dentist so well as he has so many regular visits to the dentist.
Look, we're not talking about my dad being unable to handle some modern technology like an iPhone or an iPad - we're talking about him being put in a situation he should be very familiar with given how rotten his teeth is and how he has had so many visits to the dentist in the last 6 decades.
I am going to turn this around and say that you're being condescending to my dad - yes he didn't get a great education, no he didn't travel as widely as I have, no he didn't have half the interesting experiences I've had around the world - but surely he has enough common sense to cope in a situation whereby he is experiencing a lot of pain during dental treatment?
Please read Di Talasi's analysis in her comment - she seems to think that my dad is making most of it up to try to draw attention to himself, it's an attention seeking ploy at best. I tend to concur with her as I doubt the dentist would actually do root canal with no anesthetic at all - it seems unthinkable. Even with anesthetic, root canal is painful - so my dad's story just does not add up.
So I am either dealing with a father who is so senile that he cannot be trusted to speak up with he is in extreme pain (please, I don't think we're there yet), or a father who feels he has to exaggerate stories like that to get his children to pay more attention to him. Either way, I did say: the elderly should be treated with kindness and compassion - I'm just worried about him, that's all. I don't see why he has to make up stories like that.
Hi Alex, I commented in reference to the many articles you have written about your parents, rather than the current dentist issue. In essence, you mentioned their views were narrow, and their actions quite wrong. Your arguments were valid and I agree much in what you said. Some things you mentioned totally resonated with me, particularly on how violent your parents were to you, how they were disatisfied with anything when you were young, how narrow minded they were towards other cultures and their reverence to chinese culture. Your response to their actions were quite similar to mine and I could also understand how it affected you as you grew up.
DeleteHowever the behaviour and thinking of your parents, extending to his behaviour in this dental visit (whether he is faking or quietly enduring pointless pain), were moulded by the very limited information and resources they grew up with, relative to the oppotunities and knowledge made readily available to us now, which is why you often do not agree with the many things they do or say.
In addition to kindness and compassion, another would be empathy, to understand the big picture rather than their direct actions. If you empathise, you might come respect them, cause they brought you up under stressful and shitty Singapore environment, with limited parenting skills, very non-ideal methods but still with good intentions, and thats not easy. But empathy is easier said than practised.
Hi John, thanks for your reply. OK if we're looking at the bigger picture (rather than this dental incident), then I see your POV. I have acknowledged the generation gap and wherever it has come from, yes I have sympathy, empathy, kindness and compassion in my heart for my parents - loads of it. But I stop short at respect because I'm sorry, respect is earned - not demanded. I can give kindness out of charity because I am a generous person, but anyone - even my own parents - has to earn my respect. The same thing applies to love: it is a feeling that is inspired, you can't fake it, it is either there (and you feel it) or it is not. Perhaps I am just way too honest in the way I describe my feelings as most people would not talk about such things publicly.
DeleteI refer you to a quote from Family Guy, "The bible said honour your parents, it never said anything about liking them." Well, I'm not a Christian, but you get the idea.
Like you, he was also trying to get some empathy after the turmoil. In hope to seek some attention, he told the family the dentist didn't administer any or enough anesthesia. Instead, he was labeled as stupid for not speaking up.. how like that?
ReplyDeleteMaybe you can scream bloody murder on his behalf the next time something like this happens. Agree with him that the dentist is indeed an imbecile and how dentists were better back in the day because they cared more, did more and were just better. Then complain that dentists nowadays just don't care and are so incompetent. Express frustration at how you have to just tell them every. Single. Thing. Even something like anaesthetic which is just common sense. Drill it into him. Eg. "Aiyoh, why liddat? He didn't see you suffering meh? Dentist now huh. Tsk. Aiyoh. Sigh. How can liddat? Next time like this you have to tell them one. You think they care like last time meh? Next time must tell them. OK?"
ReplyDeleteHi... I am trying to be polite here - I know you mean well and you are trying to help...
DeleteBut what you said is utter rubbish.
Firstly, just a point of detail - my dad doesn't speak English so all that Singlish is meaningless to him. I speak to my dad mostly in Mandarin and a little Hokkien.
Secondly, agreeing with him only encourages him to make the same mistake again. Telling him that he made a mistake is the only way we can teach him to speak up the next time something like that ever happens again.
Thirdly, we've had the same dentist for many, many, many years - everyone in the family goes to the same dentist and we have for many, many years. So the comparison between dentists back in the day and now is completely meaningless as it's the SAME dentist he's being going to all this time. And it's completely false that dentists were better then.
At any point in time, in the 1980s, 1990s or now, there are bound to be good and bad dentists in Singapore. Dentists were NOT better back then - so why would saying something that is completely false make my dad feel any better? It's bullshit, it's rubbish, it makes no sense whatsoever.
Fourthly, my dad is not a complete imbecile. Yes he does stupid shit like that which scares me and worries me, but he still values his independence and drives all over Singapore on his own, buys and sells shares and travels abroad etc. He even drives to Malaysia (which worries me) - you are talking as if my dad is a completely useless senile old man who is incapable of the most basic judgement. Thankfully, my dad is not at that stage ... yet. His judgement fails him at times, he worries me, but he still wants to be independent and I respect that. I am showing him respect by trying to reason with him - you're just treating him like a senile old man by being so condescending to him and patronizing him like that. My dad would slap you in the face if you dared to talk to him like that because it's so evident that you're patronizing and condescending him.
Sorry to be blunt, but old people need to be treated with dignity, not contempt and be patronized like that. I am treating my dad with the dignity he deserves by reasoning with him.
Hey, I'm sorry if I've offended you with my comment.
DeleteThe whole Singlish treatment thing was very badly done, I agree, but I wasn't trying to demean your dad! Promise! I guess what I mean is if reasoning doesn't work with your dad and you're worried that he's going to hurt himself more in the future, would it be better to just agree with whatever he says (however ridiculous) and then turning it around at the end and saying that he has to speak up because people wouldn't know even though you agree with him that they should have (even though you don't)?
My own experience with my mom is such that whenever I try to reason with her, she gets increasingly defensive and stubborn and she does the exact same thing the next time round and complains about the same thing over and over again. I found that by agreeing with her even when I don't and then suggesting what she could do the next time round, she's actually started to speak up for herself and such incidents haven't been happening as frequently.