Saturday, 15 March 2014

Perhaps some of you parents can explain this one to me.

Hi readers. Recently I found myself in an awkward situation at work where I overheard a conversation and said nothing, but I am going to tell you exactly how I felt. Perhaps some of you with children can respond and explain this to me. I had arrived early at a conference so I was killing some time waiting in the reception area. Two people also waiting in the reception area (I knew who they were, having dealt with their company before) started a conversation about their children. Nothing unusual, but the conversation was about how their children have taken to eating more exotic fruits and are embracing those different flavours. They went on and on, listing fruit after fruit that they children have enjoyed: pineapple, coconut, mango, pomegranate, lychee, rambutan, kiwi fruit, dates, dragon fruit, star fruit, even durian.
"My daughter isn't put off by the hairs on the rambutan fruit!" 

I was within earshot of the conversation but I didn't make any comment - I looked down at my phone and avoided eye contact just in case they could detect any emotions from my body language. Why was I trying to hide my facial expressions from them? It was because I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Good grief. These parents were actually proud of the way their children were 'adventurous' enough to try these new, foreign flavours. What the hell? I would tell their kids, "your parents are kind and generous enough to buy you all this expensive, exotic fruit - now you should be grateful, say thank you very much to your parents." The thought that children should be praised for enjoying nice fruit was completely beyond me - my first gut instinct was to think that these parents were utterly clueless and hopeless. If you're praising your children for enjoying expensive, delicious food, good grief, what kind of precedent are you setting here? Do they also congratulate their children for enjoying expensive toys or enjoying nice holidays?

Okay, perhaps it is because I am from Singapore and I grew up very familiar with all these tropical fruits that they mentioned. Yes some British people are quite unadventurous when it comes to trying foods that are foreign and it is not just British children, but often adults too who shy away from anything exotic or foreign when it comes to food. So I do accept that for a young British child to readily take to foreign fruits is somewhat unusual at best - but is it praiseworthy? I don't think so! Rather, to praise their children for enjoying nice fruit completely devalues the purpose of praise. Shouldn't praise be reserved for achievements which are actually praiseworthy - such as coming in first in a sports competition or scoring full marks for a maths exam? The praise should reflect the true value of the achievement.
Shouldn't praise be reserved for praiseworthy achievements like acing a maths exam?

This is when I am going to show just how you can take the boy out of Singapore but you can't take Singapore out of the boy: I am going to default to a very Singaporean stance on the issue and claim that these two white parents are bloody clueless when it comes to parenting. Certainly, the two parents were spending a lot of money on their children and were happy to buy them expensive exotic fruits to enjoy - but there's one thing that money can't buy and that is a sense of self-worth. I guess I faced the opposite extreme in my childhood in Singapore - I worked so hard to gain praise from my parents who never ever gave it. They believed that in denying me praise, it making me feel as if I had to work harder to earn it, I would be motivated to achieve so much more. If I didn't meet their super high standards, they would administer physical punishment. Whilst I was mostly insecure and miserable as a child, I did achieve a lot so perhaps there was some logic behind my parents' approach. That is the kind of super strict Asian upbringing I had, so you can see why I would feel such utter scorn and contempt when I see white parents praising their children for enjoying pineapple.

To me, that feels downright condescending. Good grief, I could give the monkeys at the zoo slices of pineapple and they would enjoy it - do use the monkeys at the zoo to put this 'achievement' in perspective. I feel the same way when my mother does the exact same thing with my nephew. My nephew is autistic and my mother goes out of her way to praise him for everything he does - she often tells me, "he is so 可怜, maybe sometimes we praise him a bit too much - but if we don't praise and encourage him, nobody else will and he is not like you, he is autistic, you are not. So don't compare the way I raised you to the way I am treating your nephew now. You can cope with whatever the world throws at you, he can't. He needs all the help he can get - can't you see I am just trying my best to help him?"
Exotic fruit on sale in a street market in Malaysia

Let me be the first to admit that I don't have all the answers when it comes to finding the best way to raise an autistic child - I am probably just as clueless as my mother but I do believe that going over the top with praise has no benefit whatsoever for a child. I've seen my mother do this: she would cut up some fruit, put it in a bowl, serve it to my nephew and when my nephew finished eating the fruit, my mother would praise him for finishing the fruit. My nephew would then run away, leaving my mother to clear up the bowl. I have to bite my tongue when I see my mother do stupid shit like that because I would have made my nephew clean up after himself - I don't care if he is autistic, these are basic rules he has to learn and the sooner he learns rules like that, the better he can cope with life in the real world. In this case, I argue that my mother's misguided actions are damaging my nephew in the long run. 

So let's go back to the reception area where I am still overhearing these two talking about their children. Their children can eat fruit. Big fat hairy deal. Duh. Am I supposed to be impressed that your children are able to chew and swallow fruit without choking or spewing it all over themselves? Wow. Could I be any less impressed? Do you really have nothing else about your children to boast about about their ability to withstand the acidity of fresh pineapple? Who knows, maybe these two white parents really do have children who are such underachievers that they have so little to be proud about, so they have to talk about their children's ability to enjoy fresh pineapple, pomegranate or papaya.
"My daughter likes papaya!" So...?

I know what some of you devil's advocates are going to say: maybe it is in bad taste to boast about your children's academic achievements, so talking about something as bland (pardon the pun) as eating exotic fruits is a harmless enough way to pass the time whilst waiting for the conference to start, so I am reading just a little bit too much into a casual conversation. That's probably a fair enough point - but if you wish to talk about exotic fruits, then surely you should be discussing the experience of eating and enjoying these fruits. The pungent smell of durian, the blend of sweet and sour sensations in a ripe mangosteen, the creamy texture of avocado, the crunchiness of the dragon fruit seeds, the way the juices run down your chin when you bite into a big slice of watermelon. Were they talking about the fruits? Oh no, they were talking about their kids rather than the exotic fruits per se.

Imagine if you had kids who received praise from their parents the moment they did something like enjoy a delicious persimmon or fig, then how would they cope with the real world where they are not going to get that same kind of approval from their teachers at school, or from their bosses at work? Surely it is a parent's responsibility to prepare your child to cope with the challenges in the real world, to be able to deal with figures of authority who may not be as kind as a doting parent. Do you know what the irony is? I have seen these two in action at work and they have been quite demanding with the people who work under them. They are not nice people to work for. Their children may be young today, but I'd love to see a situation in maybe 15 years' time where their children are unable to find a job and their parents are forced to employ their own children. Oooh. Now wouldn't that be fun to watch.
"Teacher, I ate a whole mango, are you going to praise me for it?"

Who knows. Maybe their children are completely normal and are even slightly embarrassed  when they receive praise for eating a slice of pineapple. I am perhaps a bit unfair to assume that their children are completely screwed up based on their parents' behaviour in that conversation. I just hope their children are better adjusted for the real world because nobody is going to praise you for simply being able to eat fruit in the real world. I also felt that I needed to share this story to demonstrate that whilst I have been very critical of Asian parenting on my blog, I can be just as critical of the kind of bad parenting I witness here in England and it is the children I feel sorry for at the end of the day, they deserve better than this. I guess there are bad parents everywhere, just different kinds of bad parents.

Anyway, so that's my very cynical take on the situation. Perhaps I am judging these two parents extremely harshly - maybe I am assuming the worst of them. Or maybe not? Maybe if I had participated in their conversation, I may have had a different side of the story emerge. But if they were simply talking about tropical fruits, I would've gladly joined in the conversation. But I couldn't be less interested in their children's ability to appreciate the taste of fresh pineapple. You couldn't have paid me enough money to make me want to participate in that conversation - if your child has won a gold medal at the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics, then by all means, please do share that amazing story with me, I'm all ears. But if you're going to talk to me about what fruits your child likes, excuse me whilst I head for the nearest exit. Please spare me the boring mundane crap, Limpeh is not interested, Limpeh is not easily impressed.

As usual, please let me know what you think. Feel free to leave a fruity comment below. Thank you for reading!
"My daughter isn't afraid to try jackfruit!" 

11 comments:

  1. LIFT, that's an extreme reaction to an innocuous conversation. You focus too much on children being the dominant subject matter; but it wasn't the main point they were making at all, it was just a sidetrack.
    They were actually boasting about their ability to afford exotic food & 'wastefully' feed it to mere kids- since kids being unexposed, aren't expected to appreciate how unusual the fruit is.
    They may also have been boasting about their dietary choices, which would reflect their parenting skills. Children are notorious for being unable to stomach anything generally from the "fruits & vegetables" family; if they can entice their kids to eat the (what, to them, might be) horrid stuff, they must be doing something right.

    I don't think they were giving credit to the children for eating the fruit; maybe they were simply surprised & pleased when they realised the kids enjoyed it, which they found noteworthy enough to mention to another parent.
    They weren't exactly PRAISING the children, as in, I don't think they said WOW you ROCK, you finished your mango, WONDERFUL job, well done keep it up, youre so COOL, you the GREATEST in the world, the most FANTASTIC kid EVER, 'cos other children hate these fruits but you LOVE them, that makes you so UNIQUE & SPECIAL, you're SIMPLY THE BEST etc (which, based on your descriptions, is how I imagine your mum talks to your nephew).
    If they did that, then I totally agree with you, it's an utterly ridiculous parenting style!

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    1. Hi there and thanks for your comment. I suppose there was a part of me that went into knee-jerk reaction mode, like, "these angmohs are terrible parents who are useless at prepapring their children for the real world" - maybe it was a bit presumptuous of me.

      Yes I suppose there was an element of boasting involved in that conversation, ie. the consumption of expensive imported fruit air-flown from Thailand instead of more boring local options (like apples and pears). And I suppose I forgot how children generally dislike fruit & veg, I love my fruit & veg and never disliked it as a child - but it was not so much that, it was the way that mother was happy about the fact that her daughter enjoys pineapple that left me feeling, huh? Shouldn't you reserve that kind of pride when your daughter does something awesome and praiseworthy rather than eat a slice of pineapple? So perhaps I am hard to please, but if I were that girl's uncle, don't expect me to be happy or praising her for eating a slice of pineapple. (Yup, my poor nephew has a nasty uncle by that token... I'm not easily impressed, sorry.)

      As for my mother... again maybe I am being harsh on her. What I witnessed, her presenting my nephew with a bowl of fruit and her praising him for finishing his fruit... that just made my skin crawl, I had to fight every instinct in my being to confront her and tell her that she is making a terrible error of judgement but given how irrational she is, it would turn into a big fight and she would accuse me of trying to drive a wedge between her and her grandson and she would be like, "i want so little, all I want to do these days is to try to help my poor disabled grandson and you want to take that away from me..." She doesn't see reason, so we back off because she screams at us and blackmails us with her tears rather than have a rational, reasonable conversation about the issue like a mature adult.

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  2. I think it is praiseworthy if they were praising the children for taking risks and trying something new. It's much like being brave to try a new sport, participate in a talent show, or in this case, taking a chance and trying an unusual fruit. We want kids to be adventurous and to take risks (as in new experiences) so that they will grow up with a broader experience. In return for the parents' efforts to expose them to new experiences, the children had better not scoff at their parents' efforts. For example, my sil sent me some durian snacks, and I encouraged my son to try some. He said no. I said he could not possibly hate something he had not tried. After some persuasion, he tried a piece. He hated it. He said, "Yucks!" I did not feel offended because that was his taste buds talking. However, he was grateful that I gave him the experience. He said, "No thank you" later on but in a nice way. You see, he was not ungrateful for the experience. He just found the tasty unbearable. It's like when I appreciated my mom's efforts to make me it soft-boiled eggs when I was young. I hated the texture and taste. I did know that she did it for my good. In those days, it was believed to be a good breakfast. What I hate are ungrateful children who do not appreciate the opportunities give to them. I believe it's all in the attitude.

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    1. Hi Di. I agree that children should be rewarded for taking risks and trying something new, especially if the challenges are daunting or scary. I see that a lot in the world of gymnastics - we play this game at my gym with little kids which involves them jumping off a block of about 1.2 m in height (onto a big crash mat) and the objective of the game is to train their instincts to make the perfect landing. It is a balance exercise, it's about getting your reflexes to react quickly enough so you simply have to make a subtle adjustment to your centre of gravity instead of having to take a step forwards or backwards. Some kids just get on with the game and get really competitive, other kids just get up on the 1.2m high block and say, "I'm scared, I can't do it." So if a kid who is initially afraid makes the jump, then I would praise the kid for having confronted his/her fears and overcame them. But in terms of trying new food... erm, as per your example, you always have the option of spitting it out if your taste buds really reject the taste and you don't have to like it - the amount of courage involved is so little.

      Perhaps I am harsh, too harsh. I see the kids who are 10 or 11 years old at my gym and I compare them to my nephew and I see these 10-11 year olds training for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and I am just... mortified that in contrast, my nephew is praised for eating a bowl of fruit. Cue face to palm, how is the kid going to go into the real world under these conditions? Hence over praising a child (in the case of my nephew) encourages them to take their parents (and grandparents) for granted - which can't be a good thing.

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  3. I agree with you but then I usually do. We both have the same harsh "Asian" parenting style so I think my perspective is not really anything new.

    I think the best thing your mother and sister could do right now is help your nephew live as normal a life as possible as they won't be around forever to take care of him. And unlike Down syndrome, autism does not have tell tale signs and most stranger could be pretty harsh since they might not know they are dealing with an autistic person. My younger brother has mild autism and he looks and acts completely normal just abit awkward around strangers that's all.

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    1. Hahahaha, thank you, glad someone agrees with me. Ironically, the same harsh Asian mother I had is making a completely different set of mistakes with my nephew - go figure. #irony

      Hence you can see why i reacted the way I did over the bowl of fruits.

      I got your text about being late, don't worry, I'll see you at 11:10 at Waterloo. :)

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  4. "Imagine if you had kids who received praise from their parents the moment they did something like enjoy a delicious persimmon or fig, then how would they cope with the real world where they are not going to get that same kind of approval from their teachers at school, or from their bosses at work?"

    This reasoning is screaming "slippery slope fallacy!" Surely you know that one cannot read too much into a casual conversation like that?

    "if you wish to talk about exotic fruits, then surely you should be discussing the experience of eating and enjoying these fruits... Oh no, they were talking about their kids rather than the exotic fruits per se."

    While you may find talking about their kids eating fruits too mundane even for a casual conversation, I find both topics equally mundane. The point is: what is worthy of a conversation is quite subjective; it's not up to you or me to decide for the two people.

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    1. Well, in general, I just don't get it when parents talk about their children to other adults. I get bored v quickly if the story isn't particularly interesting. It's like, I wanna say to them, "look I know you love your children but unless you have something interesting to tell me about them, please can we change the topic?" I get that so much at work when I just have to bite my lip, smile and be polite whilst I am thinking, "I couldn't be less interested in your boring children..."

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    2. I agree. As much as I love my own child, I am not interested in other people's children. I do not coo at them, and I do not think they are cute just because they can count to ten. I do not think that eating a bowl of fruit is praiseworthy. They SHOULD eat fruit. Trying an exotic fruit or food is commendable if the child is not the adventurous type, and that should be praised as I have mentioned above. However, some parents do overboard, and OVER PRAISE and then brag to other people as if they invented a new solar energy source. Blah, Blah! All they should say to the child is, "Good for you for trying something new! I know you were not sold on the idea, but now you have tried it, you can decide if you like it or not." Then move on already! As for your nephew, I do not think he should be praised for eating his helping of fruit. Even though he is autistic, people are not going to care if he ate his fruit. Except his grandmother, from the sound of it. Praise him for other things.

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    3. Concurring with what Di said, praise should be used with an understanding of the child or it can backfire. Some children cannot take praise, my son for example: when he is praised, he looks deeply uneasy & he does not believe it (did I do anything wrong to make him like that I wonder?) As an old-school parent, I think praise cheapens the words of adults, causing children to undervalue everything they say.
      Worst is when praise makes the child complacent & swell-headed, just stroking the ego or a feel-good moment, with no constructive effect in the long run. If a child is already confident, praise must be used judiciously, even sparingly. If the child is lacking in confidence then praise can help build them up, but must come with reasons they did well/ suggestions how to do better!

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  5. Alex, you do not have to feel bad about your reactions to parents and their kids. Before I became a parent and an educator, I detested parents who think their kids are the best, or the cutest, yadi, yadi, yada. Now, I still have little patience for such mind-numbing obsession. And I am a parent! At work, I am all about education, and I understand parents' concerns, and children's needs for acknowledgement. However, as an educator, I am more focused on helping to raise future global citizens in a safe environment. What I am saying is that despite my being a mother and an educator, I still have little patience for parents who molly cuddle their children. I believe caring about children and wanting to raise them as well-adjusted human beings is quite different from simply going gaga over them for doing things they ought to be doing anyway. And yes, your mom should make your nephew clear his bow after eating. She is crippling him.

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