OK I thought I'd do a quick follow up to the Anton Casey case. Yes his remarks have been ill-judged at best, after all, there's really little to be gained by being the center of a hate campaign in Singapore. Whatever little thrill he may have gained by spouting all those snide remarks on social media cannot justify the kind of uncertainty he is facing now as this story drags on. This is another classic case of 得不偿失 - "the gains do not make up for the losses". Surely he should have known better. (Hindsight is 2020, I'm sure.)
I would like to deal with one issue though, many Singaporeans on social media have assumed wrongly that by publicly raising the fact that he works for Crossinvest - a wealth management specialist in Singapore, his employers would somehow be embarrassed by being associated with him and this story, thus forcing him to be fired. That is not going to happen at all. Look, I have worked in Singapore in 2011 in the wealth management industry and know quite a lot about this industry, so let me explain some basic facts for my readers about wealth management in Singapore.
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Do you understand the world of wealth management in Singapore? |
There is a substantial expatriate community in Singapore - now we're talking about rich white expatriates here, rather than Bangladeshi construction workers or Filipino domestic maids. We're talking about the rich white expatriates who have very well paid jobs, live in beautiful condominiums, send their kids to international schools and pretty much live in their own little expatriate bubble, making virtually no contact with any local Singaporeans and have no Singaporean friends. Okay, not all expatriates are like that - but a substantial number are.
There are quite a number of wealth management companies in Singapore which specifically target white expatriates in Singapore: these companies are staffed only by white expatriates and every single one of their clients are white. Now you may wonder, why can't a rich white expatriate in Singapore use the private banking services of a local Singaporean banker? Don't they trust a local Singaporean banker? Why do they need to deal with banker from their own country?
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Who do you trust with your money? |
You know, I don't even have the perfect answer to that question. This is not just a Singaporean situation, but you can go to anywhere in Asia and there will be such wealth management companies run by white bankers in Asia exclusively for white expatriates in Asia. In many cases, a white expatriate in Asia may wish to return to his country of origin after some years - so he would rather deal with someone who is familiar with the pension planning systems in the country where he plans to retire. So a Singaporean banker may know all about the CPF rules but be clueless about structuring a British pension in a tax-efficient manner. And then there's also the more basic issue of trust and customer service, the white expatriates still have a trust issue when it comes to whom they hand their money over to manage.
It was a bizarre experience for me in 2011 when I dealt with this industry- back then, I was working for a Luxembourg based fund manager and I was promoting their funds to wealth managers who serve expatriates (such as Crossinvest) across Asia. I often found myself in meetings where I was the only Asian person in the room, heck, make that the only Asian person in the office. Sometimes there may be a secretary or office manager who was Asian, but the directors, senior managers and anyone dealing with the white clients were always white. Somehow, because I had a British passport and a British accent and I worked for a European company, I was able to move around in those circles and was treated like an expatriate. (I work for a different company these days and am based back in London in 2014.)
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So - you need to understand just how small and very niche this industry is. Anton Casey is in Singapore to serve white expatriates, not Asians. As a senior wealth manager, he would probably have a very modest number of clients - all of whom are probably rich, white, British expatriates working in Singapore. Casey's job would simply revolve around servicing these clients - taking care of their pensions, tax planning needs, dealing with various issues like setting up trust funds for their children, finding the best investment opportunities and maybe even dealing with issues like inheritance planning. He doesn't need many clients as each client would pay a lot for his service and that is why he is so rich. He needs to be pretty good at his job, otherwise he won't be where he is today.
At this point, someone like my dad would quickly point out to me that there are many rich Singaporeans who need wealth management services too and these Angmoh bankers are missing out by ignoring the local Singaporean market. Guess what? They don't care - there are local Asian wealth managers serving the rich local Singaporeans and managing their wealth. These white wealth managers like Anton Casey are quite happy to deal only with white expatriates and that's just the way the wealth management market in Singapore is. If you're a rich Asian, you'll get an Asian wealth manager. If you're a rich white expatriate, you'll turn to someone like Anton Casey. That's just the way things are and that is why Anton Casey has a very well paid job in Singapore.
Oh I have fond memories of working in Singapore back in 2011... |
Wealth management companies like Crossinvest serve a very small, very niche market and they are not like some company selling a product like chocolate biscuits, toothpaste or tissue paper where they need as many people as possible to buy their products. The difference is that a company selling biscuits or toothpaste has millions of customers - each spending a very small amount of money; whilst a company like Crossinvest has a very small number of customers - each spending a huge amount of money. The kind of PR/marketing needs for that biscuit or toothpaste company is quite different from Crossinvest. So whilst the very people who Casey has offended are Singaporeans and even if every single Singaporean in Singapore is angry with Casey - guess what? It doesn't matter one bit because every single one of his clients are British expats, none of them are local. His clients may not approve of some of his snide comments which have caused offence, but at the end of the day, they are probably more interested in the quality of his service rather than what he may have said on social media, especially since they are not personally offended by what he has said.
Gosh, this does remind me of a similar case I talked about last year. The conclusion is the same: you Singaporeans can bitch all you want on social media about an expatriate you don't like, but at the end of the day, you have no influence whatsoever on this guy's employers. You are not going to put any pressure on his employers to sack the guy because of the nature of this company's client base. The key word is niche - which is the opposite of mass market. It's economics 101 people. I remember rolling my eyes last year when I wrote about the Timetric case because none of the Singaporeans who bitched about that company even paused for a moment to realize just how extremely niche their products are. By the same token, Crossinvest is an extremely niche company in the financial services sector.
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So there you go, that's my short lecture on the nature of wealth management for white expatriates in Singapore for you. It's the same thing that goes on in other Asian cities like Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok. So for all the Singaporeans who are saying, "we don't need people like Anton Casey in Singapore, we have local Singaporean bankers". Guess what? You Singaporeans may not need him or want his services, but it is the white expats in Singapore who do and that's why he has a good job and earns so much.
And such is life. If you're buay song with life, feel free to rant by leaving a comment below. Thank you!
Update, part 3: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/anton-caseys-apology-and-responsefollow.html
Part 4: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/lmfao-singaporean-petitions-anton.html
Part 5: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-sedition-act-and-anton-casey.html
Part 6: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-british-reaction-to-anton-casey.html
Part 7: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/a-very-hollow-victory-for-singaporeans.html
Wow,excellent lecture. Really.
ReplyDeleteThank you, kum siah!!
DeleteHi limpeh, I was wondering what wealth management is all about, like what is Casey's job scope and some of the things he deals with. I understand that you are in the same industry as him so maybe you can give me some details
ReplyDeleteThink about it: rich people may be good at making money but will not know what to do with it. Take David Beckham for example, he may earn millions, his expertise does not lie with finance. So someone like him would have a personal banker who will deal with all his financial affairs, makes sure that everything is structured in a tax-efficient manner, that his taxes are paid, his investments are squirreled away soundly for his children, that every single detail of his financial affairs are taken care of. Someone like Beckham will not just stash his millions in a current account but he doesn't have the time or expertise to know what to do with his millions - that's where someone like Anton Casey comes in an deals with it.
DeleteEvery rich person has a different set of needs (nationality, tax situation, family situation, career situation, business commitments etc) - so Anton Casey would have to come up with a different set of services/solutions for each individual he comes across. So I can't give you a list of what Anton Casey does for each of his client as they're all different.
Oh I see. Thanks for telling me.
DeleteHe should be able to voice his opinions on his public transport experience. I thought only the government is controlling? The citizens are just as bad. Get a life. They are just jealous.
ReplyDeleteAiyah you know what S'poreans are like lah.
DeleteDi Talasi, your statement might be valid if one were to only concentrate on Casey's statement regarding the "stench". I fail to see how his terrible experience with the transport system has got to do with the supposed financial paucity of the commuters. There is an absence of a logical link between the 2 subject matters. Of course, it is his prerogative to insult others. But that same prerogative is also extended to the commuters. Nonetheless, I agree that the supposed boycott of HSBC and whichever financial institutions that he is working in by Singaporeans will hardly impact them.
DeleteI agree that as a wealth management firm, public opinion makes little or no difference. But I think it's a bit naive to imagine there are no consequences for this feller. After all, regardless of whether his employer or customers agree with him or not, fact is he broke the 11th commandment. Which indicates that judgment may be lacking.
ReplyDeleteIt's his child I feel sorry for - he's the innocent party here. By all means berate, mock and attack the father lah, but leave the kid alone. What has he got to do with all this? The kid kena make fun of like nobody's business on social media you know. Aiyoh. You know I have an autistic nephew, this is why I get so freaking angry when people make fun of disabled children. Like how low can you stoop?
DeleteSomething we both agree on 100%.
DeleteTo quote LIFT, misery likes company.
ReplyDeleteI read what he wrote...it did not make me angry at all,I just felt that he's childish and insensitive. He could have pick his words more carefully.
ReplyDeleteJudging from his many FB posts and the one that make me the angery is the one about a taxi driver who had a towel over his legs. He mocked him (taxi driver) in the comments section and I got really pissed by that. If he, as a father is already being so insensitive to people around him, I wonder what kind of people will his son pissed off in the future. I have a CCA acquaintance (whom I spoke about previously before) who is the son of a rich father and have a really nasty personality that I can't get along with. (I try to get along with everyone but no matter how I try he will not want to work with me). He expects me to do anything he says or he won't be so "nice" next time. Hahahaha he can wait til the day when pigs can fly because I don't entertain such hostile people who aren't important for my future.
I remember a person who I have met last year told me that I should try not to offend anyone. (I am slowly learning from him.) He gave an example on how automatically the security opened the gates for him when he drives in and wave, and do not have to go throught security checks like others. (He's a diplomat. He's very diplomatic indeed!)
So in this guy case, ahh I think it is lesson learned too late.
Well I can agree with you that his FB posts were incredibly ill-judged and I wonder how people managed to get hold of his FB page - like does he not set his privacy setting high enough to keep strangers from seeing his FB page? Or does he have friends who want to sabotage him?
DeleteI think Anton Casey mentioned that there was a security breach of his Facebook account or something like that
DeleteHis FB posts seem to be set to friends. Maybe some of his friends got tired of reading his posts.
DeleteWell, maybe that's a lesson for all of us to go through our FB friends and start deleting anyone whom we don't need to keep as friends (we call that a FB cull) and double-check the security settings.
DeleteInterestingly, its also the same for physicians and dentists. They are licensed in their home country but practice in SGP catering (though not exclusively) to their community. Japanese & Aussie
ReplyDeleteI know! Bizarre isn't it? The thing is, I grew up in S'pore so I've had doctors, dentists, teachers etc who were Chinese, Indian, Malay and Angmoh, so I have no qualms about who serves me as long as they're good at what they do and are qualified...
DeleteIt turns out in this case, you were mistaken about the power of a mob justice. Companies usually are quite concerned about exposure especially the wrong ones, not surprised that he is now facing 'disciplinary actions' from his company
ReplyDeleteDon't assume anything yet. Yes Crossinvest have decided to issue a PR statement to look into the matter internally, they have not said, "we'll sack him". If they wanted to bow down to public pressure, they have had enough time since the story broke to sack him and make it public. Why haven't they done so already? Why are they buying time to conduct an internal inquiry when all the facts of the case are already splashed all over the international media by now?
DeleteCrossInvest would look really bad if they remained silent - but I suspect that carefully crafted PR statement is to buy them enough time for this to be blown over: they're waiting for the next big story to distract Singaporeans.
Remember Stephanie Koh? She's last week's news. The heat (and media spotlight) is no longer on her.
It looks like you are wrong this time. Law Minister Shamugan has responded to people's ranting on social media, commenting that he like many Singaporeans is terribly upset and offended by what Casey has posted. Deeply offensive, wrong, and unacceptable. The words of the law minister will no doubt make people in the finance industry sit up and take notice, attracting negative publicity for CrossInvest. If CrossInvest wants to protect their reputation, they will be forced to sanction Casey for his behaviour. Not doing so will imply that they condone such anti-social behaviour and demonstrate that respect for society at large is not part of its values. Reports of his misdemeanor even appeared in online British papers.How can CrossInvest not even show the slightest concern.
ReplyDeleteHNWIs demand that their advisors excercise good judgement and stay calm and rational in times of financial volatility. Casey's action after an unpleasant experience on public transport demonstrate none of this. We may never know the real reason for his outburst, perhaps one PRC fella of lowly status didn't like the behaviour of his son and let fly with his smelly mouth or Casey's generally despises people who are not of the same class as him, one thing is certain. After this episode, HNWIs will not trust him with their money, they expect more maturity from him. This will seriously affect his ability to attract new clients for CrossInvest.
Unless he is a superstar that transcends the organisation, I see little reason for CrossInvest to retain his services. Being in marketing, you will be well advised not to understimate the power of social media. If social media can be used for muilti-million dollar crowdfunding, surely it can be used as a tool to influence an employee to take punitive action against an employee who brings it into disrepute.
I will admit I am wrong if and when Casey gets officially sacked from his job at Crossinvest.
DeleteShamugan is thinking about his political career - he is not stupid: he knows Singaporeans like you are unhappy and if he issues a statement agreeing with your sentiments, you will think, "oh law minister Shamugan is good, he is on my side, I like him, he agrees with me, I will vote for his party at the next elections, long live the PAP!!" It is a political game and there are easy points to be scored for him by making a statement like that to win your favour. Now unless the law minister wants to make the police arrest Casey for breaking the law (like what law? For saying something stupid on Facebook?) - this still remains a civil matter, not a criminal matter.
CrossInvest have issued a carefully crafted PR statement to buy time until the public anger dies down - which it will in a few days once the story blows over. If they wanted to sack Casey, they would have done so easily by now. They have chosen not to do so yet - that shows that they are more interested in buying time than punishing Casey.
You want to punish Casey. His employers want to buy time so they don't have to be forced to sack him - can't you see that fundamental difference in opinion here?
Being in marketing, I also understand the wealth management industry very well. This is not a chocolate biscuit product we're talking about. A biscuit brand will rely on millions of people each spending a small amount of money, say $1 on a pack of biscuits to sustain their revenue. A small, boutique, specialist wealth management firm like CrossInvest depends on a very small group of extremely rich clients to spend a lot of money with the company each - now the company doesn't care about the public image and has probably been busy, sitting down with this very exclusive group of clients who spend a lot of money with them, ensuring that they do not run away and take their business to their competitor (plenty of good wealth managers in S'pore).
You clearly do not understand the wealth management industry - you are treating them as if they are selling $1 pack of biscuits in supermarkets. Social media does not apply here! PR for a company like them would mean sponsoring an event at a yacht club where they spend $1 million on 10 or 20 very special clients, pampering them, feeding them champagne and caviar. The biscuit company would spend that $1 million on TV advertising and newspaper ads to reach as wide an audience as possible because they want 1 to 2 million people to see their ads, compared to the 10 - 20 individuals in the yacht club event the wealth manager would sponsor.
Huge difference.
Thanks limpeh for writing the article about your dad's chinese identity crisis, was a great read! Yup I think you're bang on about this. The wealth management industry is certainly a very niche specialised one and is segregated by nationality whereby you have ang moh wealth managers serving ang moh clients, india indian wealth managers serving clients exclusively from the subcontinent and local wealth managers serving local clients. Agree with you fully that hes not going to get fired I mean get real, the interaction that his company has with the local community is miniscule. Ingenous move by shanmugam though and a populist one at that, remniscient of the kind of moves undertaken by politicians in 'other countries' which the pap so oftly slams as a means of distinguishing itself.
ReplyDeleteWould Crossinvest have some local clients? Possibly - and in which case, they would probably be served by local wealth managers, such is the nature of customer services in wealth management. Singaporean clients will have a Singaporean serving them, British expats will have a British expat manager service them. So would a Singaporean client Crossinvest move his money elsewhere, to another wealth manager as a result of this case? I think a lot of that depends on just how happy he is with the service Crossinvest is providing him! Imagine if the customer is served my a Singaporean manager Mr Tan, this Mr Tan is an excellent wealth manager who takes care of the client's every need. Would the client then sacrifice that excellent relationship with Mr Tan just out of spite, over the Anton Casey case, which has no bearing on the relationship that Mr Tan has with his Singaporean client?
DeleteI say, if the client is totally happy with Mr Tan, then he wouldn't be moving his account elsewhere for the sake of Mr Tan - but if Mr Tan has already been disappointing in terms of the kind of service he provides, then this Anton Casey case is just the excuse (the last straw that breaks the camel's back) the client need to move his account elsewhere and look for a new wealth manager.
The question is, would the British clients of Mr Casey be so pissed off with him that they will threaten to move their accounts elsewhere? That I don't know. I can't ask them - so I wouldn't be able to guess what their reactions would be.
Just so you know.. he did get fired :)
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=684287958288033&id=173555539361280&stream_ref=10
Maybe you want to re-write the article.
Hhmmm - thanks for the link, it did say that they have parted ways rather than sacked. Frankly, if I were Casey, I'd rather jump before I got pushed, but this carefully worded statement suggests that they didn't just sack him but allowed him some leeway? Either way, he's in Perth now.
DeletePS. I have been proven wrong in this case, but I don't think I'll edit the article - I'll leave it as it is with a disclaimer because I think my general discussion about the way the wealth management industry operates is still pretty valid as I am talking in general terms, rather than specifically about Crossinvest per se most of the time. In any case, the story did develop in a way I did not anticipate and has taken many of us by surprise.
DeleteThere has been cases in the past where MNCs in Singapore have fired their employees based on culturally unethical conduct.
Deletehttp://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/what-is-buzzing/senior-barclays-banker-pore-fired-expletive-laced-rant-042544488.html
Singaporeans have massive influence over what happens here. The industry doesn't matter, and if anyone thinks that their industry is 'unique' in any way, they have to be quite disillusioned. Every industry is unique, but one thing is common throughout. This is Singaporean's country, and they pretty much decide what happens.
The government here has been getting the ire of the local people for almost everything that they propose to do, or have done. You really think something like this will go unnoticed / punished when you have troll websites like SMRT Ltd and online vigilantes spreading the news on Facebook like wildfire? This is the exact definition of online mob-mentality. Ministers get their e-mails spammed, bosses get their e-mail spammed, hundreds of police reports get filed, thousands of HSBC bank account gets cancelled to the point where the operator actually asks, "is this because of the Anton Casey issue?". That question is an ACTUAL feedback question when you cancel your account with HSBC. What makes you so naively adamant and confident in both your post, and replies before (and after) the firing of Anton Casey that the local people have no influence at all?
Yes, the current clients MAY be happy with Crossinvest's services.. but do you REALLY think that Crossinvest is unique in their ability to handle a rich person's money? Seriously? I would take my money elsewhere if it meant I wasn't associated with them. Forget their current clients, when you're picking someone to handle your money.. and you look through the resumes of different companies you have shortlisted.. and then you google them for a basic background check. You really think that Anton Casey's online conduct has ZERO bearing on their potential decision to choose Crossinvest? And that Crossinvest would not have thought of this possibility?
I think this article has been quite naively written. It has been proven wrong twice in as many times that something like this has occurred in the past and been made public by the local people. Basically 100% win-rate for the local people.
DeleteIn the future, anticipate that the story will develop in exactly the same way that it did here. Maybe things will change in about 10 years when the Government has the trust of the local people again. Otherwise, they will always be obligated to make statements to ease the local tension, and add pressure to the MNC to take action. One thing is ALWAYS true. They are doing business in other people's country. No matter what industry, or what you believe.. they will ALWAYS have to take action when the local people get as pissed off as they did.
And in terms of this 'carefully worded statement' it actually pretty much bang-on spells out fired. First the company indicated that they did not agree with Anton Casey's conduct and that it goes against their CORE corporate and family values. They also quickly distanced the company from Anton by saying that his comments doesn't represent their culture before going on to say they have parted ways. In no other universe is this a way to save Anton Casey face, and buy him time before he can come back. They have permanently burned this bridge.
This happens all the time. When SMRT had all those screw-ups.. did they say the CEO was fired in their statement? No, parted ways. When Temasek Holdings had issues, did they say the CEO was fired? No.. parted ways. Unless someone has blatantly broken the law that could implicate the company's legal standing, then they will always use 'parted ways'. This is just a softer language that any PR firm will advise you to use so as to not as to portray a cold image of your company.
So yes, he was fired.
But all in all, apart from the very arrogantly worded title to the post, I do agree with most of what you say. But the most fundamental point of the article is completely flawed. The local people here 100% have influence on what happens. It may not be a direct firing of Anton Casey, but he could have been forced to do community service.. bla bla bla. Whatever the case, you better believe that when they made the decision.. the local populace was a massive influence.
Hmmmm. OK I thank you for your comment but I disagree on the following points:
Delete1. Let me remind you of another case (much lower profile this time) of an FT vs a local: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/q-jerard-lee-vs-timetric-case.html - I'll jump to the punchline: FT 1: Local 0, the local lost despite having quite widespread local support, but the case was different as it was a dispute between 2 individuals, as opposed to Anton Casey vs the Singaporeans who use public transport.
2. I disagree with you about "this is Singaporeans' country" - no, you're in PAP land, it is the PAP who decide what happens. How many Singaporeans actually wanted this many FTs in Singapore in the first place? Most Singaporeans would think that there are just way too many FTs in Singapore already, yet the PAP want to grow the population to 6.9 million. We have a unique situation where Singaporeans keep voting for the PAP despite not agreeing with their policies and the direction they want to take Singapore in - hence the dissatisfaction on the ground and it explains why so many of them have taken it out on a scapegoat like Anton Casey.
3. I have mocked the stupid Singaporeans who have petitioned HSBC and cancelled their HSBC accounts because Casey has not worked there in years - you wanna put pressure, you should put pressure on the management of CrossInvest, not HSBC. This is why Singaporeans should think carefully and do their research before they start some stupid, dumb ass petition to ask HSBC to fire someone who has not worked for them for years. http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/lmfao-singaporean-petitions-anton.html
4. You do not understand how private wealth management works - it is about the relationship each individual manager has with his clients. It is not uncommon for a wealth manager to change companies, only to bring with him many of his clients because the clients don't care about the brand name per se (like you said, there are so many wealth management providers out there), it is the relationship with the wealth manager that matters. So Crossinvest needs to invest in quality managers who are good at nurturing those quality relationships, rather than worry about their brand name per se.
5. Your suggestion that rich people google the background of these wealth management companies is quite frankly, laughable, verging on the ridiculous. You have absolutely no idea how this industry works - so don't even try to guess. A lot of their PR works via word of mouth, when one rich person says to another, "my wealth manager/private banker has been really good to me over the years, I will ask him to give you a call..." Rich people don't google - what do you think this is, going online to find a product review? How utterly ridiculous. You clearly are not rich nor have you had any experience dealing with the super rich.
6. As for the government, LOL, I can't even be asked to go into that - you're one of those delusional Singaporeans who would still support the PAP despite everything that happens. LOL. LMFAO.
7. Stop lying to yourself that local people have that much of a say - It is the PAP who run the show, not the grassroots and in any case, in this case, the turning point was when the story went international and Crossinvest was concerned about their international reputation. The key individuals who made the difference were the few editors in big UK, US, Australian newspapers who decided to run the story - Angmohs abroad - rather than the local Singaporeans.