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| Is the generation gap is getting bigger and bigger? |
Let me explain why this generation gap is especially large. Firstly, there is a huge language divide. My dad's family in Malaysia is Hakka speaking and he spent his formative years growing up in a Hakka speaking environment. Along the way, he picked up Malay, Mandarin, Hokkien and Cantonese - even though he did study some English at school, he hates speaking English and would avoid speaking it at all if possible. As he is fluent in Mandarin and Malay, he can use those languages to communicate with most people in Malaysia and Singapore and he would only resort to using English should he meet an Indian or Filipino person.
Now apart from Hakka, I speak all the other languages that my dad speaks but not to his standard of fluency. The primary language I use with my dad is Mandarin - now my Mandarin is pretty respectable, but it is rusty. I find it a lot harder to express myself in Mandarin than in English because I have not used Mandarin on a daily basis for communication since moving to Europe in 1997. Let me give you an example: I wanted to express the concept of "affinity" to my dad. The dictionary definition of that word is, "a natural liking for and understanding of someone or something." I couldn't translate the word "affinity" into Mandarin - I had to use a bunch of words in a longer sentence to try to convey that concept. It was frustrating to say the least.
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| I have problems expressing my ideas in Mandarin. |
My first language is definitely English because of the fact that I was educated in English - the main implication of that is that the media that I consume is mostly in English: I read in English, prefer watching movies and TV programmes in English, read websites in English and I blog in English for a simple reason. I think in English. My dad consumes media mostly in Chinese - he reads Chinese newspapers, watches Chinese language TV stations and listens to Chinese language radio stations. Thus our cultural influences couldn't be more different.
I suppose when I was a child, I would still get some Chinese cultural influences - for example, when my dad was driving and I was a passenger, I would gladly listen to the Chinese radio stations of his choice (93.3 FM or 95.8 FM) but since moving away from Singapore in 1997, those Chinese radio stations are but a distant memory and I would go days without hearing a word of Chinese until I speak to my dad on the phone or on Skype.
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| Sure I still speak Mandarin, but it is rusty today. |
This generation gap is also affected by our relation to technology - my dad is in his 70s and wants as little as possible to do with modern technology, anything to do with computers scares him. He barely knows how to use a mobile phone and he would punch in the numbers manually rather than try to look up a phone number stored in the phone. I wouldn't claim to be an expert with technology, but at least I do live in the right century when it comes to using modern technology. My dad seems to be stuck in a time warp where he would be highly reluctant to use anything invented after 2000. He seems quite content to know virtually nothing about this thing called 'the internet'.
My dad's reluctance to embrace the unfamiliar is pretty extreme - let me give you an example. When I was last in Singapore, my family went out for a meal and I suggested going to a Vietnamese place. I love Vietnamese food and it is hard to get quality Vietnamese food in London - my sister was like, "no, I'm not sure if pa would like it..." I was like, "it's so similar to Chinese food, we will find something on the menu that will be to his taste." I was wrong.
So yes, in hindsight, my sister was right and I stand corrected - it was a mistake to take my parents to that Vietnamese restaurant to subject them to beef noodles that were ever so slightly different from what they were used to in Ang Mo Kio. Go figure. Duh. This is a far cry from the way I would behave in such a situation - I remember wandering around the Djemma El-Fna bazaar in Marrakesh, Morocco. I was looking at all the most unfamiliar, exotic North African foods on offer and I was totally fascinated by this opportunity to sample something totally different from what I was used to. I would wander from stall to stall, engaging the hawkers in banter, "Qu'est-ce que vous avez la? Puis-je gouter un peut?" (What do you have there? Can I taste a little?) My dad would have been horrified by Africa given how unfamiliar it was to Ang Mo Kio - but that was the very same reason why I wanted to go to Africa.
| The friendly Moroccan hawkers in Marrakesh |
Don't get me wrong - there are things from my childhood that I yearn for, that mean a lot to me. There are certain tastes and smells which immediately make me think about Ang Mo Kio or Singapore - I can get nostalgic about Singapore sometimes and would spend hours in my kitchen trying to recreate those certain smells and flavours that I grew up with. But this is quite different from the mix of outright fear and hostility that my dad has for anything foreign or different. I can understand why he is like this - it doesn't mean I condone his attitude or like it.
I know what some of you are going to say - old people being set in their ways and rejecting the unfamiliar has nothing to do with being Singapore, it is universal trait that most old people seem to have. I suppose there is an element of truth to that, but not all old people are the same. If an older man has spent much of his life traveling around the world, learning about different cultures and countries - then he would be far more familiar and comfortable with a lot more than a man who has not had the opportunity to travel as much. And I'm afraid my father's mental map of the world does not extend beyond Singapore and Johor state - hence his rather hostile reaction to anything he encountered in the Vietnamese restaurant and believe you me, that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to his xenophobia.
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| What is your mental map of the world? |
I have a British-Chinese friend Anne who related to me the following, "I have grandparents living in KL (Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia) and they barely speak any English. I do visit sometimes and there's a huge language barrier - they speak Cantonese, Mandarin and Malay but only have a very basic command of English. I did learn some Mandarin when I was younger but it is rather rusty now and I can't really express myself very well in Mandarin I'm afraid. Sure I can have a pleasant conversation in Mandarin with them and we'll talk about what we want to do tomorrow, what we have eaten for lunch, how hot the weather is - things like that, but if I want to talk about more profound issues, like what my ambitions are with my career, what I would like to achieve in my professional life - I can't have that conversation in Mandarin. I just can't find the words. I suppose I could just speak English but I worry that my grandparents will not understand and just switch off, you know, just not participate in the conversation."
Anne's experience sounds only too familiar, but the only difference is that she is experiencing that double generation gap with her grandparents whilst I am experience that same double generation gap with my father. It's like we skipped a generation. I wonder how rare my experience is? After all, I remember a conversation from my army days. I was studying French then and I ran into my friend Chris and his mother - Chis told his mother that I was studying French and his mother (who couldn't have been more than 10 years younger than my mother) just switched to French mid-sentence and we started chatting in French. Turns out, she studied in Switzerland years ago and then spent several years in a French-speaking environment. She said, "you won't believe how many times I have tried to get Chris to learn French but he's just not interested! Then we can all speak French together, yeah?"
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| French is my second language. |
My parents would never understand how I could embrace a language like French, let alone study it to the point where it became much better than my Chinese. But that's just the tip of the iceberg - there are so many things about me that my parents will never understand and I have long accepted that this is a result of the huge generation gap between us. I look at my friends like Chris and of course, there's a bit of jealousy because he has a great relationship with his parents and the generation gap he faces is a lot smaller than mine. It also feels like everyone just expects me to understand my parents and always see things from their point of view - yet no one ever expects them to make the slightest effort to try to see things from my point of view.
Where does this leave us? There's just this status quo I guess - where I have this respectful, cordial but very distant relationship with my parents. I guess there was a time when I wanted to share with my parents all this wonderful has to offer (such as Vietnamese Pho) - but I've long accepted that they're just not interested in anything unfamiliar or new. Sorry if this sounds blunt, but damn that's a pretty awful and sad way to live one's life! Good grief.
| There's a wonderful world out there, just waiting for you to explore. |
But let me end on a positive note: at least my parents do respect the fact that I do not want to live my life like them and they have allowed me to do what I want with my life. Well, let me paraphrase that: they have not stood in the way of me making important decisions for myself, even when I had made decisions that did not sit well with them. Whilst they have not been supportive, they have not been obstructive either. They have been... indifferent, I suppose. Objecting to something means taking a stance on the issue - being completely disinterested is a different reaction and that is pretty much what I have had from them since I was a teenager. Indifference, but the root of this indifference was simply because I had embraced so many new challenges in life that were totally alien to them - thus, their inability to take an interest in any of those things, since they were pathologically conditioned to reject the unfamiliar.
And hence we've drifted apart, further and further, in the last 20 or so years. Am I the only one who has found myself in this position? Or am I simply unlucky... if I had been born 10 or 15 years earlier, I would not be speaking English as a first language but would be far more likely to speak Mandarin/Hakka/Hokkien as a first language like my parents. Certainly when I look at my sister at my nephew - they clearly both speak English/Singlish as a first language, so there is no language barrier at all between them. How many people actually have such a language barrier with their own parents, making an already big generation gap even bigger?
Please leave a comment below, let me know what you think and what your experiences are. Thanks for reading.





Hey I feel for you LIFT! I have the similar double generation gap with my father (not close to stepmom at all) and I have great difficulty communicating with him even though we both speak English very fluently as our 1st language. My father speaks very little Mandarin and I got most of my fluency from working in Shenzhen, so we have only 1 common language.
ReplyDeleteThe strange thing is that our ages are not that far apart as he had me in his 20s while still pursuing his studies. But due to his set of mind basically most of our "conversations" end up with a one way monologue of him telling me what is good for me and how i should live my life and do things according to how he feels is the "right" way.
I suppose he is quite technophobic too since he refused to buy me a computer during my studies and also forbade me from using my own money (earning from part time work) to buy one too (wtf!?!). In the end i went ahead and bought one anyway when i started staying away from home.
But the funny thing is that once i graduated from computer studies and got real good at anything technical he started seek my advice (free of course) on buying a computer and signing up on internet plans. To date our only common topic seem to be on IT. I refuse to take relationship advise from him (with his 1x failed marriage) and of course he absolutely refuses to listen to me on anything apart from anything IT related.
Well look at it this way, look at the vast difference in information available to our generation compared to our parents. How easy it is for me to know the life of an Ang Mo Kio Ah Beng cum gymnast who became a successful UK banker and be able to read his views on the world and Singapore. That's not possible 3 decades ago and looking at how people just 10 years younger than me fiddling with their iphones I wonder if I could keep up to date with the information overflow in another 10 years time.
ReplyDeleteOur parents' generation only have television if they were lucky, otherwise it's just newspapers and magazines to know what's going on in the world and that's even if they were inclined to know about it. The sheer amount of information available on the internet makes it hard for us to hold on to any particular views for long , that's why I wouldn't be surprised at the previous generation hunkering down and just shutting down. Hell, how many people from our current generation have problems accepting that their worldview is flawed even though they could easily verify it with a few keystrokes? It's a defense mechanism, it's hard for most to function if we have to keep doubting every belief we have.
Yes, recently i have been watching lots of food documentaries on Amazon and there are lots of doubts on what is healthy and acceptable have changed quite abit (e.g. cheese and dairy and not healthy, anything with whole grain especially bread is bad too). And someone even want so far as to investigate whether fluorine in water really helps prevent tooth decay (it does not and its a toxic poison so Japan and Germany have specifically banned it).
DeleteBut I like having my world views challenged unlike my parents who always seem to feel that age and seniority is the only measure for one to determine correctness.
Hey guys thanks for your comments. I am in Salzburg Austria now and will reply in more detail when I get back to London next week.
DeleteAlex, just wondering out of curiosity, how does your father view the mainland Chinese? I mean i've heard a lot about the tensions between Singaporean Chinese and their mainland counterparts but then again, reading about your father, that becomes a great irony because your father could not possibly be more culturally Chinese himself. I know there are differences between the communities but i'm interested to know whether he reacts to them in the same way as he does to all other things 'foreign'.
ReplyDeleteThat is a VERY good question worthy of a longer reply - thank you. My dad is full of contradictions. He totally hates PRCs after an incident which involved a PRC woman being downright abusive towards my disabled nephew in a restaurant and my dad is a very protective grandfather and thus he totally hates PRCs now as he thought no Singaporean would act like that towards a disabled child. More on this when I get back to London, I am currently in Austria struggling with a German keyboard where the keys are all in the wrong places but i get all these german letters like ÖÄÜß:::
DeleteMeh. It's not about language - it's about mindset. You've got neophilia - perhaps as a reaction to parents having the opposite. And you'll find that in any generation.
ReplyDeleteLanguage is a red herring - sure it adds friction, but if there's a genuine connection, it can be overcome.
And if there is no connection, whose fault is it... I always feel like the finger is pointing at me whilst I have had my parents become totally disinterested in anything i have done in the last 20 years or so because it is all too complex, modern and complicated for them to get their heads around. That is why they fuss so much over my nephew as they can understand a primary school curriculum but they have no idea what i do for a living.
DeleteThink that assigning blame is... well, counterproductive. It's satisfying but tends to devolve into rounds and rounds of blame.
DeleteThe world is large, and there never is just one reason or just one answer. See This Be The Verse by Larkin (which I believe I have pointed you to in the past)
Sometimes things just happen. And so you shrug and move on.
Alex, it seems like you are still hung up on the fact that your parents do not understand you. I say forget it. They probably never will. Best to just make the best of the years left. I learned that from my own experience with my mom.
ReplyDeleteSigh, I know you are right Di. I know. Thanks my friend.
DeleteHi Alex, my parents (in their mid sixties) were from Hong Kong and speaks only Cantonese until they moved to Singapore which they could get by with broken Mandarin in Singapore.
ReplyDeleteI was bought up in Singapore and is very familiar with Singlish/English/Mandarin/Cantonese/German (3rd language in Sec Sch). Like you, I think in English as well.
Generation gaps btw me and parents are not merely cos of language barriers. It was clearly a bad concoction of conservative /adventurous views, ideas about children's upbringing, career aspirations, money management. If language is the only barrier, it could have been easily overcome cos i have a good command of Cantonese. But to bridge ideas, those years apart and different exposures in life are hard to bring our ideas in line.
Hallo Smokey Eyes, grüss gött und servus aus Salzburg, Österrich! Yes I am currently in Austria. Vielen dank für ihren comment.
DeleteI don't even think that my Mandarin is thaaat bad, but you are right, language isn't the issue. I can tell when my parents just shut their minds down and don't want to know if they encounter something they cannot understand: And what can I do in such a situation, like really. I just feel like I am the only one making any effort to bridge the gap and there are times I get so frustrated and I think, what is the point of having children when you then take no interest whatsoever in what they do as adults. I don't even think my parents know I am in Austria now... heck, I doubt they can find Austria on the map of Europe.
My parents seem somewhat more open-minded in some aspects than yours, maybe because I have been a person of my own will and tended to be rebellious in my later years as a young adult. They knew at one point that their old mindset would not work on the younger generation too, and that times change after all. Perhaps your parents are not the 'live and let live' sort of parents, and that might account for all the expectations they have towards you and then your siblings and their children?
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comment Kev. I think we're talking about two different things: "live and let live" is not quite the same as "being disinterested/bo chup/don't care don't know don't wanna know I have no idea what the hell my son is doing with his life and i can't be asked to find out". I think mine is more the case of the latter.
DeleteThere was an argument I had with my mother when I was in Singapore last year in which she basically told me that she doesn't care if I hate her but she begged me not to make my nephew hate her as it means so much to her that her grandson loves and respects her whilst she knows that this love and respect is non-existent with me already. And I was like, WTF? I know we had an argument and disagreement but I was trying to repair my relationship with my mother and build bridges and to be honest, the argument I had with her had NOTHING to do with my nephew whatsoever - but she decided to say effectively, "go away, get out of my life, i don't care if you hate me, as long as my grandson doesn't hate me, don't tell my grandson that you hate me."
That's how bad things are with my mother. I am trying to be nice but she is not interested. She only loves her grandson because she has a simple relationship with him as he is a very young boy - I think trying to have an adult to adult relationship with me freaks her out because she used to treat me like a kid when I was a child, but now she can't do that anymore so she turns to my grandson instead. One only wonders what will happen once my nephew becomes an adult.
You mother would probably be too old by then to even bother what your nephew thinks of her.
DeleteTo be frank, I don't think the problems you have with your mother is a generational gap. It feels like a control issue where she instinctively needs to feel in control, to have power over someone(I wouldn't be surprised she became a teacher to fill that need).
DeleteSince it's obvious she has none over you now, she's diverting that need towards your nephew. I know it sounds like your mom's a sociopath or something but didn't you mention that your mother has an physically abusive(and likely emotionally as well) mother ? People who grew up under such circumstances are often insecure and tries to deal with that by trying to influence/control others (likely their spouses and children, since they're the easiest targets). It's a very vicious cycle, extremely difficult to break out of it and almost an addiction by the time they hit a certain age.( Doesn't it sounds like what an addict would say in the incident regarding your nephew? I.E "I know you're not going to give me my fix, don't deny me from getting it from your nephew!")
Perhaps worst of all, they made their children feel the same way and the children would end up doing the same to others ( or instilled with the desire to receive it from others, obviously you broke away from that).This is of course, all guesswork all my part so if I cause offense I apologize. .
Oh my goodness gracious me. Your analysis has hit the nail on the head. It is so scarily accurate it is as if you knew my family super well, like you were our neighbour and you have observed all this going on, so you could correctly analyse all this and help me make sense of it.
DeleteSo yes, not only was she a teacher, she was a primary school teacher. The kind of relationship she had over a class of primary one or two kids is quite different from say a JC teacher dealing with 17 and 18 year olds. A lifetime of teaching created her mindset - and retirement took that away from her and thrusted her into a world where she didn't get on the internet bandwagon and thus she feels lost and not in control.
Nah, I think she knows she has no control over me, it's not like she was under any illusions. I remember it went from, "why study in England when you can go to NUS" to "okay you can study in England but you must come back" to "I thought I told you that you have to come back to Singapore after you graduated" to "You're not coming back ever, are you?" And all this time I was like, duh I am an adult I am not a child anymore, I'm not going to let you decide what I wanna do with my life. So yeah, she gets that kick from my nephew - but it's not all bad. He has learning difficulties, so she does a lot of good work with him - but by the same token, she says things like, "your nephew will ONLY listen to me, he doesn't even listen to his own parents." And I'm like, that's not true, but I am not going to get into an argument with you.
I guess I went out of my way to justify my mum's sociopath-esque behaviour (she was bullied at work, she had little support from her husband, she battled ill-heath etc) - I didn't want to see my mother as a sociopath, I wanted to see her as a victim of circumstances. I guess the latter was a bit easier on me, it made me easier for me to come to terms with the physical abuse. But goodness, yes she was incredibly insecure in so many ways.
As for that incident where she made it about "I know you're not going to give me my fix, don't deny me from getting it from your nephew!" - man, that was painful. There I was trying so hard to mend my relationship with my mother, trying to get us to understand each other as two mutually respectful adults, I was trying so hard to show her that we could become friends as adults and it was time for us to redefine our relationship from a parent-child to adult-adult relationship: that I was willing to make the effort to try to bridge the generation gap etc. She threw it right back in my face - she was not interested. The only relationship she was interested in was that with her grandson - she was NOT interested in the kind of relationship I was proposing.
Ouch. And I thought, she's not doing this deliberately. But she is defaulting to what her instincts are telling her to do. You know, when there is a fire, you grab the possession that is most important to you before dashing out of the burning building. So despite the fact that the 'fire' was nothing to do with her grandson, well - that was her reaction. And I'm like - do I mean that little to you? Are you not at all interested in a relationship where you have no control over me (because I am an intelligent adult capable of making my own decisions)?
As for the effect on my siblings... Thank goodness, I am glad to say that we're not like my mother for the simple reason that we're not insecure like her, so we're able to make our way in the world without feeling the need to be in control over someone/people. My 2 sisters are incredibly independent and resilient and they are both rebelling against my mother's upbringing in their own way (quietly) by showing that they will not be like her, that they can choose a different path. As for me, I don't know - I guess it is hard to say that I don't feel the need to have power over people - surely we need a bit of that to feel in control... Take my relationship with my bosses for example, they're in charge, they pay me, they tell me what to do, but I had to put my foot down and threaten to quit last year when I felt that things were going out of control and I was made to cover for a former colleague Mark who had quit and they were just expecting me to cover for Mark rather than replace him.
DeleteAnd I guess, yes I suppose whilst I do come across as a very independent free spirit (traveling around the world, working in different places), there is a part of me that (like you said) is programmed to want to receive this from others - I am not sure if I can explain why. I see the way my sister married a very traditional Chinese man (a good man, at the end of the day, just v traditional in his ways) who is quite domineering in getting his way but she rebels against that notion despite choosing a man like that in the first place, creating conflict. As for me, I guess there was this notion at the back of my head - when I was growing up, my desire was to find a replacement mother/father figure to get the kind of affection/relationship that I wanted - like those I saw in movies, rather than what I had. As for how it has affected me in so many ways in my adult life... I think I need to sit down on a shrink's couch and pay you to unpick the mess in my head. Your insight is so amazing, thanks and keep the analysis coming!
Your story about your mother's track of "why study in the UK when you can go to NUS?" reminds me somewhat of my parents at times. I realized at one point that parents are seriously no different from every other person as assessment machines, insofar as they also judge their children and expect things of them, and if their children do not follow these, then they start forming certain judgements and opinions, some of which are negative.
DeleteThe reason why some of us tend to actually have hard feelings about our parents is also because we have expectations ourselves. Nobody enters the world with a totally clean slate as it is.....at this stage, perhaps, I have moved on and think I am more interested to think about what kind of person I will be to my peers and other younger generations.
To be frank, your nephew presents the ideal target to dominate, that's why I suspect she stop bothering with you or your sisters any more. I'm not sure where your nephew would score on the autism scale but this is an individual that would always find it hard to make friends and form meaningful connections with others. So he is much more vulnerable to your mother's domineering ways and less able to gain the confidence to resist this. I'm no expert on such subjects and certainly not know you and your family enough to make an accurate assessment but the more your mother molly coddle him the more he would adapt a co dependent mentality and be more reliant on your mother, that would be her fantasy scenario. Why do you think she's so proud she could make your nephew listen to her?
DeleteYou can't reason with an addict, they already have a complex rationalization system in their head to justify this urge of theirs. Unless they themselves realize this, I myself am not sure it's even possible to change their mind, They might retreat when you confront them but as soon as they realize you're not looking...It's tough to be a child of such a parent, you will always have to live with the suspicion that it's your fault that your parent was like that, maybe if you were more understanding, smarter, more obedient, more pretty or more loveable you might be more deserving of love. Sure, you could try to rationalize that you're a good person with great accomplishments but we're all hardcoded to expect love from our parent and it's never easy when we don't receive it.
Again, this is guesswork though I welcome any opinion if you disagree.
Hello again, your insight is again spot on and scarily accurate. Like you're my neighbour who has lived next to us in AMK for 20 years and know my family inside out. That's how accurate you are. Crikey. Are you putting this insight to professional use? You're seriously good dude.
DeleteThere's a part of me that wants to admire the work that my mother has put into my nephew, nurturing a kid with learning difficulties and autism - she has done a lot and there's no denying that. But then again, what you have said is also 100% true. I guess she does get something out of nurturing my nephew that way - the only question is if it is doing him more harm than good to have this co-dependent mentality with his grandma like that. I doubt it is healthy but I swear my mother would rip me apart with her bare hands should I dare to suggest anything to the contrary. Oh no, she needs this so bad. As T-ara sang in the song Number 9, "I'm addict, I'm addict, I'm addict, I'm addict" (erm, not sure if you get the Kpop reference)...
Frankly, as long as my mother is happy enough and my nephew isn't (too badly) harmed, I'm happy to leave her to it.
Thanks again.
Hey Limpeh! I've shared my views with you before, about your mum because she sounds incredibly similar to mine, and I thought you may be interested in something I realise about mine: she is essentially a hyper emotional person and reacts emotionally with little or no input from the brain. The brain is only there to come up with 'reasons' to justify her emotional reactions. So like in the analogy of the burning house, she's just 'grabbing' your nephew as the most precious thing to her, and saying illogical things regardless of whether you would or could ever try to turn your nephew against her. My mother has also said similarly off-kelter and illogical things. But with folk like this, it's not about the logic, it's all about the emotion. and her emotions would be loss of (and possibly betrayal by) you, and fear of loss of your nephew. and of her rejecting a 'grown up' relationship with you? Of course lah, such a thing would be completely outside her own experience with her own parents, only something you may witness decadent and misguided Ang mo's indulging in on the Telly!
ReplyDeleteYour friends are right, shake the dust from your sandles and move on! Just think, 'there but for the grace of god, go I!'
Hi LSH and thanks for your comment, thank you so much for your empathy. I can see you and I have had very similar experiences with our moms. Yes I was pretty shocked when she turned to my nephew when I was trying to resolve that argument I had with her - it's like, hey mum, this is between you and me, it has nothing to do with my nephew/your grandson, why are you making this about him when it has nothing to do with him at all? It was... illogical to say the least, but then again, I am dealing with an irrational, illogical, neurotic, paranoid old woman and I have come to realize that I cannot expect her to be logical or rational the way I am when it comes to resolving conflicts. The shit she comes up with baffles me to say the least, as she can be so illogical.
DeleteAnd my sister's reaction? She said that I only have to deal with this crap when I come back to S'pore - she puts up with it all the time and she is used to it. It no longer surprises her when my mother shoots off tangent in a totally illogical manner. Sigh.
Oh and my mother has accused my sister and her husband of turning my nephew against her - it's ridiculous. Why would my sister turn her own son against his grandmother? My sister is just honest - she is critical of everyone around her and she would be bluntly honest about her feelings in front of her son. My mother cannot accept that - my mother wants me sister to ONLY say good things about grandma to my nephew, so that my nephew will love his grandma and anything to the contrary is a personal attack on her.
DeleteI would NEVER expect my sister to do that for me - she can criticize me all she wants in front of her son and if my nephew doesn't like me as a result, then that's between me and my nephew and it would be then up to me to foster and build a meaningful relationship with him. It's my responsibility to maintain and nurture that relationship.
So given that my mother has already accused my sister and bro-in-law of turning her grandson against her (how fucking ridiculous, we are family, why the hell would we do that kinda shit), I guess it is not surprising that she is accusing me of the same shit. I'm baffled by the accusation to begin with, I'm confused, I don't even know why she would think that - but I guess my mother is so insecure she is motivated by paranoia at times like this.
I think it was kind of overboard for your mother to tell you not to turn her grandson against her. From what I have read and understood from your blog, I think that you and your parents are really worlds apart in your ideologies. I honestly don't know what kind of advice to give you because I'm still young and haven't seen such a case before, but I think maybe this might be out of your control. You probably can't change your father's aversion to the unfamiliar, and your mother's illogical behaviour. So maybe you just have to get over it. You're halfway across the world anyway, living without them in the UK, so I feel like their behaviour won't affect any aspect of your daily life, so maybe you shouldn't let them affect your moods too
ReplyDeleteThanks for your kind words Ron. I know there's nothing I can do about it - but it is nice to receive your empathy, understanding and kindness and just to have the opportunity to talk about it with people who understand means a lot to me. Thank you so much.
DeleteI feel for you, Alex. You tried to have a relationship with her, and she is not interested. I remember once I suggested to my mother that we should go shopping together, but she was not interested. She would only go with my sister. Years later, I moved away, but it still pains me. My son and I always have lunch dates, shopping dates,TV dates, and even gossip about his friends. It's our way of being close. He's only 11, but I intend to spend time with him and to listen. Alex, let her go.
ReplyDeleteThanks Di. I suppose I am paying the price for rebelling against her so much as a teenager and young adult. That was when I was asserting myself as a young man and saying, "I am grown up, I know what I am doing, trust me" and she was like, "no you're a child, listen to me, I am your mother, I know better" - and that was the general theme of our arguments throughout my teenage years and into my early 20s. Then when I felt that as an adult, indeed in my 30s, I could reapproach her and say, "okay, now will you accept that I am an adult and we can have that adult-adult relationship I talk about? Look, I am balding, my hair is falling out, I am an balding old man now - clearly I am no longer a child... are you interested in getting to know me as an adult?" Nope, not interested, instead she wants to play grandma with her grandson. Sigh.
DeleteHi Limpeh, thank you for sharing your stories. And yes, my dad is also like ‘if its not the food that I know, its not good’. The generation gap between my parents and me is huge and I think its because of the difference in mindset, education (or lack of) and personality. I'm glad that I'm not alone in not being able to get along with my parents. Every family is dysfunctional in its own ways. My mum seems to be a nice and normal person to her friends, but I have no idea why she is so critical and mean to her immediate family. In my last visit to Singapore, I said harsh words to her when she was telling me how I owe my life to her for giving birth to me and claiming credit for ‘raising us’, which actually meant giving us food, shelter and water. She excluded the part where, they did not have emotional capacity to be parents. They conveniently forgot about the part where they used us as punching bags to vent their own frustrations in life (and they had a lot of frustrations). I mean, you dun slap your friends for disagreeing with you but why would you do it to your children? They forgot how they expected so much from us but gave little in return. They forgot about how irresponsible they were as parents, to have children but did not bother to nurture them, as natural talent is what matters in their eyes. I know it is not entirely their fault as my parents are broken people who are raised us the only way they know how.
ReplyDeleteMy mum looked forward to us growing up and becoming like the filial children seen in those Hong Kong drama series, who bring their parents out for yum cha every weekend. Even bringing them out to a simple meal begins with my mum having an outing meltdown and my dad ending with his own meltdown finale at the end of the trip home. No matter what I do, my parents will never be happy. I am sad that my relationship with them isn’t what they wanted it to be, but I am too tired to try to become the perfect daughter. I was so happy when I left Singapore and I do not need to deal with all the negativity in the family anymore. I hope to move on from now and stop caring about what they think and I hope you do too.