Tuesday, 15 October 2013

Game Of Trolls: Singapore Style

Hi all, thanks for the kind messages of support in the last 24 to 48 hours from my readers. I'm doing fine and it's been a really strange 24 hours given how I have been under attack from internet trolls. Some of them are smarter than others and thankfully, the response has been mixed. Some people have been very understanding and nice, others have been downright nasty and whilst some are downright stupid.

The nasty ones are the ones who are trolls who make up shit about me just because they can't be asked to come to my blog and talk to me like an adult. Yeah, it's pretty grim when adults act like that - but I would have expected nothing less because I came across this back when I used to participate in forums years ago. It wasn't like, "Alex, I beg to differ on this issue as I think you're not seeing both sides of the argument..." It was like, "you're a prostitute, I am going to tell everyone here that you're a cheap whore who sells his ass in Geylang." Yeah, it has been at that level. But guess what? It's hardly the first time I have been under attack by these trolls and I have blogged about it here the last time it happened. That was when I was accused of being a PRC whore in Geylang.
Beware of trolls...

And then there are those who think that it is funny to use Hokkien to curse and swear at me in the forums and I'm like, can you not find the appropriate words in Mandarin or English to express yourself in a more articulate manner? Duh. And here's the funniest one: someone read my BBC interview and said, "KNNBCCB, I am going to CSI him!" Then he dug up my Linkedin profile - like okay, you know how to enter my name into Google, well done. Then he posted it as if he had achieved some great victory by sharing my rather illustrious CV and long list of achievements to the rest of the people on the forum. Oh at which point I thought, ooh I do have a rather impressive list of achievements on my Linkedin profile, a bit too show-off perhaps? I have resolved not to participate in those forums, but I wanted to tell him, "come to Limpeh's blog and have a good read. I've had 5 million views on my blog and if you wanna find out all about me, then post the link to my blog lah. You can also go to my Youtube channel and watch Limpeh's videos as well. I've got plenty of videos for you on my Youtube channel."

What is this about 'CSI' and Singaporeans - when you demonstrate that you know how to look up the name of a person on google? Amit Patel was "googled" and "CSIed" as well during the whole Timetric episode earlier this year. So a number of you looked at his Linked in profile.... So? Here's the thing about the internet - we tend not to put out stuff that we want to hide from the public. It's like I had a very unflattering photo from my recent holidays - I was eating and chewing in that photo, not a good look. Would I upload that photo onto my blog or anywhere else? Of course not. Stuff that I have put out (via my blog, Youtube and other social media channels) are things that I do want you to look at. Duh. You're not googling anything I don't want the public to see. Like when I agreed to give former NMP Siew Kum Hong details of my journey for his debate in parliament, yeah I knew my name was going to be discussed in parliament - I'm surprised it took someone that long to dig that one up. It shows how little attention you politically apathetic Singaporean pay attention to the going-ons in parliament.
"Hey, I found out how to use google to search..."

Oh don't get me wrong, I know there is a lot of hate for me in Singapore right now by some people - and I'm beginning to get an idea of how my good friend Alvin Tan felt last year when his sex blog went viral. And I'm like, what the fuck do you guys want? An apology? For what? For migrating to the UK? Duh. I'm flattered you guys actually missed me that much. I thought it was ridiculous that people demanded an apology from Alvin and Vivian last year - and now the very same people have been demanding an apology from me - like duh.

Some of you have asked me to respond to this piece here by Senang Diri, which I will now. What I would say is that David Boey did do his homework and dug up some of the things I have said over the years on the issue of moving to the UK. At least he had the decency to quote me properly and allow my words to speak for themselves - that is more than what some trolls have done. I just found it bizarre that he was splitting hairs over what my motivations were to move abroad (when he had actually quoted me, word for word, explaining the range of push & pull factors involved). The only thing that he doesn't understand is the fact that I did give the BBC journalist a fairly long story, encompassing many, many details - there was no way the journalist was going to reproduce it word for word in the article. The editor got the final say as to what stayed in the article, what was left out - I had no say in that. So it seems bizarre that Boey was attacking me for an editorial decision made at the BBC that I had no control over? And Boey used to work for the ST - surely he understands the role of an editor?

As for Siew Kum Hong's presentation in parliament, once again, I gave Siew a long rambling story in a very casual manner - Siew, being a lawyer, then summarized my story and left out certain points (just like the BBC editor did when he abridged my really long life story interview). When I watched his speech in parliament, I knew what he had left out (you could hear the moderator reminding him that he was running out of time and to wrap it up before he even mentioned my name) and my first thoughts were that he did so to prove a point that there was a gay brain drain. Again, Boey is attacking me for the way Siew Kum Hong summarized and presented my story - I stress: I didn't tell Siew what to say in parliament or what order he should present the points. He made those choices, not me.
Why do people make such snap judgement on one paragraph?

Regardless, I was accused of 'singing a different tune' - why? Just because all the factors in exactly the same order on different occasions? Let's get real here. My regular readers will know that I visited Kuala Lumpur this summer. I met many people whilst in KL and one question they all asked me was this, "What brings you to KL?" So even for a short trip to KL, I had a range of reasons.

1. I have not visited KL properly since 1990 and it has changed beyond recognition. I want to see the new KL.
2. It is cheaper to fly into KL than Singapore, so I was getting a cheap flight to KL instead of a more expensive one to Singapore; as I thought I would also enjoy the overland journey to Singapore via Melaka.
3. I have friends in KL - some of whom I got to see, two of whom were in jail when I was there.
4. A friend has recently visited KL and posted some amazing photos of Facebook which convinced me that I really ought to make the effort to go to KL if I was going to be in SE Asia.
5. I heard that the food is great in KL (and cheaper than Singapore).
6. I heard that the shopping is fantastic in KL (and cheaper than Singapore).
7. Public transport is really good in KL and it is an easy city to navigate.
Pavilion @ KL

Okay, so that's 7 reasons I had to visit KL. Do I need to rank them from most important to least important? Good grief. When people in KL asked me, "what brings you to KL?" I would rattle off these reasons in different order, sometimes I may list only 4 or 5 and not all 7. Would you then accuse me of being a liar who sang a different tune if I failed to list all 7 reasons in exactly the same order? And that is just for a short 3 day trip to KL! Can you imagine how many more reasons I would have when I am trying to explain to you why I moved from Singapore to the UK? For crying out aloud, I can't even list those 7 reasons to visit KL in the same order each time I met someone in KL and you want me to list all the reasons I had for moving from Singapore to the UK in exactly the same order, every single time someone asked me over a period of 6 years? Well that's exactly what David Boey expected me to do - hence he accused me of "singing a different tune". I'll let you decide if I am a liar or if he is being utterly unreasonable.

Now try this. We'll do a simple experiment right now, okay? Without pressing page up and re-reading my 7 reasons to visit KL, name all 7 of them in exactly the right order. I'll be surprised if you can get 5 of them correctly, with the right wording. Now imagine the BBC editor or Siew Kum Hong trying to summarize my story which involved a LOT more than 7 reasons. And you want the story to come out in exactly the same way, in the same order every time? Boey, are you seriously telling me you've actually worked in journalism? Have you ever dealt with an editor? Duh. The fact is, even if I did list all my reasons in exactly the same order on all three occasions, on two occasions, it was edited by a third party (the BBC editor and Siew) so that's when Boey's argument falls apart.

As for Boey's allegation of me "fighting the system" by making sarcastic jibes - I think he doesn't understand the purpose of us social commentators. Sure I am critical of the system in Singapore, but if I am just vehemently anti-PAP, then I have no credibility as someone who can judge the situation fairly. I see myself as a moderate who has long accepted that the PAP will be in power for a long time to come and that if you don't like them, well, you're better off leaving Singapore he way I did. I have friends in Singapore who have done a lot more than "bang out another letter, sarcastic jibe or bitchy retort of some sort" - they have organized various events, joined the Workers Party and have worked activity towards regime change in Singapore from within the country.
I chose to leave whilst others stayed to try to change the system.

I look at people like that and I have mixed feelings - there is an admiration and respect for what they are trying to do, people like Gilbert Goh who work tirelessly and selflessly to try to help others in Singapore. I may not agree with a lot of things Gilbert does but he has certainly earned my utmost respect. There are times when I really feel that I should be doing more to help people like him for I do believe in their cause and want to see them succeed. Then there's the other side... the sinking sensation that they're fighting a losing battle, which I well and truly got when I attended one of their events earlier this year. There's a part of me that thinks, what's the point? Things are never going to change in Singapore, you just have to accept the PAP's way or leave if you don't like the PAP.

If Boey is a PAP supporter, he should worry about people like Gilbert Goh who are actively trying to challenge the system - not me. So what does Boey expect of me? To only sing praises of Singapore? Would he preferred it if I told the BBC that Singapore is a nasty homophobic society stuck in the dark ages when it comes to human rights? Oh then you would say, "oh Singapore is a gracious society, we're not evil or nasty, we respect human rights - don't make us sound like monsters to the rest of the world." In any case, that is just one of many factors in a complex decision involving two countries.
Ironically, I am amazed that Boey has chosen to attack me thus on my stance on NS - after all, I am a moderate who has not been as extreme as those who have called for the outright abolition of NS in Singapore. On my blog, I have always talked about simply improving the system so that those who have to serve NS will walk away with a greater sense of purpose. Simple improvements can be made by matching soldiers to a vocation more closely related to their skills and expertise that they already have in their civilian lives - it is a win-win situation for both the soldier and the SAF when a soldier is actually very good at his vocation. I have also suggested more training and education for soldiers during their time at NS, so they feel that they are constantly improving themselves and will leave NS better trained, better educated and more prepared to join the work force. I'm practical and pragmatic - I may have the balls to speak up to say "things could be improved", but I'm no anarchist and do not appreciate being treated as one.

As for his so-called CSI work, he made a mistake. He thought he was so smart in finding the name of my sister (yeah I've mentioned that I have a sister who worked for the ST some time ago, Boey worked there too he may have known her) - yet at the same time, he quoted me from Trevvy talking about my other sister, my elder sister! Here's how it read:
"Whereas my sister's the total opposite, she's 8 years older than me and she changed jobs for the first time in like 15 years recently, and she was soooo (sic) nervous about it. She's now happily settled in the new job but she was one person who didn't like change, whereas I relished it."

This blog understands that Alex's sister, Ms Liang Hwee Ting, left her job as a Straits Times journalist some years ago.

Duh. Wrong sister Boey, I have two sisters. You're naming the wrong sister. In any case, what is the point of naming my sister (even if it is the wrong sister)? Anyway, I spoke to my sister about it a moment ago and yeah in her time as a journalist at ST, she wrote so many articles. Her illustrious as a journalist with the ST is well documented in the archives of ST and it does not constitute as 'dirt' and it doesn't take a genius to look her up when you have my surname. It suffices to say that I have two great sisters who both share a lot of my views on this issue - not only do they know my blog, they follow Alvinology too.  In response to Boey's comment on her, she said, "He obviously didn't do his research, I am not 8 years older than you, he anyhow hantam lah. LOL."
CSI salah lah David Boey...

Would I expect any less from these trolls? Anyway, it suffices to say that when I read the comments left on Boey's article (hey, some of the ones from earlier yesterday have been mysteriously deleted and those were the very ones which were critical of Boey), I am glad to see that there are still some sensible people left in Singapore. Quick, go and read those before Boey deletes them as well. As for what Boey said about Alvin, I'll let Alvin defend himself. He's an intelligent chap.

That's it from me for now. Getting trolled is nothing new for me, I'm just trying to work out if the trolls are the "sell-mong" type of Singaporeans I have offended along the way, or if they are just complete strangers whom I have never ever had any interaction with. Go figure. I can say this much about Boey though, at least he had the balls to blog using his real name - unlike the trolls.
One of the many reasons why I left Singapore - and you can't blame the PAP for that!


17 comments:

  1. It's the internet - like the world, there are stupid as well as intelligent people. I would not address Boey's concerns, this 'Boey' fella has been going online using various nicks and is a well-known PAP IB. This type of people spout pro-PAP bcos they are paid for it. In order to do this, they deploy the same strategies used by the PAP - misrepresentation of facts, selective disclosure of facts, illogical arguments, argumentum ad hominem, and red herrings.

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    1. Hi Tom and thanks for your comment. Boey fails to make a coherent point on my post apart from his assertion that I "changed my tune" - people like him are convinced that one migrates for one and only ONE reason when I have demonstrated that I can easily come up with 7 different reasons to go to KL for 3 days. As for Siew Kum Hong's presentation in parliament, once again, I gave Siew a long rambling story in a very casual manner - Siew, being a lawyer, then summarized my story and left out certain points (just like the BBC editor did when he abridged my really long life story interview) - Siew made the editorial choices, not me. So in the case of the BBC interview and Siew's presentation in parliament, someone else decided what order the points were presented and what was edited out.

      So by that token, Boey's key point about me "singing a different tune" falls apart as the 3 stories he picked were edited by 3 different people! (the BBC journalist, Siew Kum Hong and myself).

      If the PAP are paying him for this, then they're not getting value for his money because he can certainly try to address the points I've raised and rebut my argument - he didn't even try to do that. And naming my sister actually made many people think that he crossed the line by dragging her in - not that it adds anything to the story in any case. My sister said that there are a lot of people looking at her Linkedin profile suddenly, adding that if they're looking for anything scandalous or exciting, they're going to be disappointed. It's just Linkedin, duh.

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  2. At first I thought you were over reacting. Sometimes I do get the impression that you are set off a bit easily.

    However, I saw the offending posts, and they are completely uncalled for and downright slanderous. It's bordering on preposterous, but some of our less-intelligent local netizens may buy it. I think that Alvin should moderate his blog comments but hey, it's his private cyberspace. I personally believe in a comments policy and I would not tolerate personal attacks of this sort on my blog.

    Nevertheless, I trust that you will overcome this and be better and stronger for it.

    Looking forward to more of your great articles. If you let up, you let the troll win, so keep them coming!

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  3. Hi NR, thanks for your kind comment. As for what our less-intelligent local netizens want to choose to believe, I can't reason with them (can I be asked to?) I stumbled upon this person who responded to a recent post of mine (when I said I was a first class citizen in the UK) by posting a photo of a black woman standing next to some graffiti "keep Britain white!" - except that the photo was black and white and the way the woman was dressed clearly showed that the photo was very dated (presumably 1950s or so). Nobody question the fact that this netizen dug up something that was historic rather than current and they all just latched onto the 'evidence' of racism in Britain despite the fact that the photo was taken way before most of us were even born. What next? Shall we dig up historical archives of what the Japanese did in Singapore during the Japanese occupation WW2 to claim that Japanese people today hate Singaporeans?

    Nonetheless, there are reasonable people and intelligent ones who can spot a troll from a mile away. There are also those who don't what I said or did but draw the line at libel/slander. I also accept that when you play the social media game and put yourself out there, people are going to notice you and judge you for what you say or do - but that's no excuse for anyone to break the law by slandering me.

    I can assure you that I have gone to my friends in Singapore for help and a few of them recommended the best lawyer in town for a case like this - I am now under his legal counsel and it feels reassuring to have someone like him tell me what my next step should be. I am grateful to have someone to say to me, "calm down, don't panic, this is what we'll do next." The worst part about getting trolled is not quite knowing what to do, how to react - but now that worst part is taken care of by this fantastic lawyer.

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  4. Hey Alex, hope you are doing well in London with the change in weather.. I've been really busy lately (juggling a career, new home and further education) and hence hardly coming online.

    Whilst I do on several occasions disagree with what you say, I firmly believe in attacking the idea or opinion and not the person. Let's have an intellectual but fair debate about things and provide perspective from different lenses. Where perspective differ, agree to disagree. Hence I totally disagree with trolling and feel there's no place for them.

    However there are some people who cannot (perhaps education? perhaps upbringing?) differentiate opinions from person. It is easy to associate the opinion to who the opinion come from and attack the person for the opinion that he/she disagree with.

    There are also the trolls who whine, disagree and attack everything and person! These are not specific to only Singapore but everywhere! There are loads of them here in the UK too. I read up an interesting article somewhere (I can't be arsed, typical term used here instead of asked, to remember/ locate the source) about the profile of these people. Let's just say their typical profile are: lower education, low paying jobs, complex lifestyle (alcohol, drugs etc), dysfunctional family, and a few other things. Sometimes, I wonder if their behavior is due to their background - and is that due to their attitude and perspective in life? Cause/effect?

    Anyway, whilst I don't agree with some of what you say (in previous posts), I do firmly support you on the attacks. I don't think they are warranted and don't think they are fair. I just think they want to provoke a reaction from you to gain some perceived control? I don't think you need to lower yourself to that level.

    Cheers.

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    1. Hi Colin and thanks for your kind comment. Yes I think you and I are on the same page on this issue, one cannot expect everyone to agree with your opinions, but it is important to attack the argument rather than the person. "Your argument on the issue is flawed because ..." rather than "you're crazy/stupid/a cock sucking homo" etc.

      Like I said to Kevin Jang (see my reply to his comment please), the worst thing about being trolled is not quite knowing how to react because I have never been in this situation before. However, I am very lucky to have engaged the services of a very experienced lawyer who has dealt with many trolls in Singapore before. He's been saying to me, "calm down, don't panic, this is what we shall do next..." Phew. He's been a godsend I swear (yes I am an atheist but I can't find a better word to describe just how amazing my lawyer has been).

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  5. PS. I just wanted to assure you guys that I have great legal advice from one of the BEST lawyers in Singapore so for all of you trying to give me legal advice (sorry I couldn't approve some of your comments) - let me assure you that my excellent lawyer knows exactly where the law stands and where you can sue for defamation and what is permitted.

    Certainly, I know and everyone knows that calling me a quitter or traitor is perfectly legitimate and allowed under the freedom of speech - I don't even mind that kind of name calling and I fully expect it as a blogger who dares to touch upon such issues. It is when the troll alleges criminal behaviour in my past that I feel the need to take legal action.

    Like I said, it's all in the hands of my very, very good lawyer whom I totally trust. Thanks for your concern but let me assure you that my lawyer is taking very good care of me and the case.

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  6. What the hell happened that is so serious that a lawyer had to be engaged/consulted?! Sorry I haven't been keeping up but if this thing is about the quitter comment. Co'mon, Limpeh this thing is as old as Goh Chok Tong. I mean in Singapore they don't teach you how to quit, when to quit and heck even how to think about quitting when things go really south. Over here we just take the short cut to say you don't quit. Easy for everybody involved except you doing the heavy lifting...at least that was what my thought process when deciding to quit law school 2 odd years ago. The decision ain't so different from emigrating and seeking greener pastures.
    I don't see what the fuss is...I mean you figured out something that even at VJC they didn't teach you. They just force you to hold on or quit subjects that see no fantastic grades. Relax, give yourself a pat on the shoulder and chill man...

    Twenty-tree

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    3. Hi 23, you're totally barking up the wrong tree with the quitter comment, it's not it. Someone alleged that I had left Singapore because I had broken the law and that I was a criminal (of the very worst kind). I will not repeat the allegation here - but it suffices to say that it is TOTALLY FALSE. I am not a criminal. I have NEVER broken the law anywhere. If someone made that comment about you being that kind of criminal, you would be both distressed and angry.

      Look, I am perfectly fine with people disagreeing with me. Let me show you where the line is drawn (and crossed). If someone reads my blog and then says, "This guy is wrong, he is mistaken, he is not judging the situation fairly and his whole article is one-sided and does not reflect the situation accurately." That's FINE! That is someone expressing an opinion they are entitled to.

      If someone then insults me as a result of that article, eg, "This guy is a total idiot, he is stupid, mad or both. He doesn't know what the hell he is talking about, what a fool he is. He is a pathetic quitter." That is still OKAY, because whilst it is impolite to call someone a quitter, stupid fool or an idiot, it is not a criminal offence to do so.

      And if someone says, "he's fat, bald and ugly" - that's still OKAY believe it or not, because they're entitled to their opinion and if they have such a low opinion of me, that is impolite of them to express it thus but it is not illegal to do so.

      However, to claim that "this guy broke the law in Singapore, he is a criminal, he did (insert name of crime) and got into trouble with the law in Singapore etc" - then that's when it is CRIMINAL. It is slander, libel and defamation. This affects my reputation and there are clear laws in Singapore which state what you can do in terms of the freedom of speech (expressing your opinion) but it does not mean that you can slander people and spread wicked lies about them, making slanderous allegations about someone just because you don't like them.

      Come on lah, even if I was so blur that I didn't know all that, surely a good lawyer would be able to tell me exactly what the law in Singapore states on the issue of slander. I am not blur - I am not a lawyer but I actually do know the law pretty well and I am currently consulting one of the VERY BEST lawyers in Singapore. I can't tell you just how absolutely brilliant and wonderful this guy is. I cannot comment any further, but please people, please give me (and my lawyer who is one of the VERY BEST lawyers in Singapore I stress) some credit when it comes to knowing what is a serious criminal matter and what is a minor disagreement.

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    4. Woah, what can I say to this....shit just got serious. Man sucks to be you to have to deal with things such as this for writing a blog.

      Twenty-tree

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  7. Hey man, sorry if i'm being blunt and straight forward here... Your reaction to the trolling is precisely what these sad people want - to provoke a reaction from you. Additionally, you might want to consider also that your reaction smacks of someone whom you have strong opinions about - LKY. The 'I'll sue your pants off if you cross me' approach.

    I've also been 'trolled' previously. Both online or in the work place. I kind of rationalized that mostly it was due to jealousy. There were times when I felt that I should have taken a heavy handed approach and shut these people up, then I felt if I had only got so little time, why focus them on these losers? I might as well take that time to improve myself or do things I enjoy more. It is only when I get threatened physically or have something done to me that really threatens my credibility, then I would take a very heavy handed approach. And when I do that, all hell breaks lose because I believe in 'total destruction and leave no roots uncut'.

    Just my 1 cent as usual..

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    1. Hi Colin, thanks for the kind words. I do have a short fuse these days when it comes to this issue, been under some stress as you can imagine + stuff at work not related to this... my boss totally blamed me for something I didn't do on Friday and when I indignantly pointed out to him that it wasn't my fault (and he then checked and realized it wasn't my fault), he didn't even apologize and I'm was like, you know what, for the amount you're paying me you get to get away with that, you're my boss not my best friend, you don't need to apologize as long as you pay me on time. I then did something later on the same day which attracted lavish praise for a really good job done and I'm like, yeah praising me now is not the same as apologizing for what happened earlier... (Just explaining why I am stressed out this week - it's not just this, it's work as well. New project, steep learning curve, I'm so confused half the time.)

      I digress, I just got angry when people suggested that I am trying to sue because I have been insulted as a quitter/etc etc - and I am like, for crying out aloud lah, I do know the difference lah alamak, give me some credit lah aiyoh. Ref: previous comment from me here, enough said.

      Like I said Colin, I am in uncharted waters here and I am also dealing with it in a culture that (admittedly), I am out of touch with - having not lived in Singapore for 16 years, I am very Anglicized/Westernized in my outlook. Like that whole gay thing, good grief, in one of my next posts (currently still a draft), I talk about Anderson Cooper and Evan Davis, both prominent openly gay journalists who don't feel the need to mention their sexuality every time they do a programme and they are just allowed to get on with their job and present a topic (which I have done on my most recent post on 2nd class citizens - it's just a straight forward piece of social commentary and it is not about me, but it is about the society I live in). Was it naive of me to think that the same rules (ref:Anderson Cooper/Evan Davis) could apply to Singaporean bloggersphere? After all, I saw the way Yawningbread has been labeled as a gay blog and I'm like, yeah what I do in bed doesn't really have that much to do with what I blog about (ref: my latest post about 2nd class citizens) ... I didn't want people to focus on my sex life - but just want them to stimulate their thinking of certain social issues. Even when I vlog, I talk about issues (rather than myself).

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    2. On your point about work, mate, man up!! :) It's part and parcel of work life and the personalities that you work with. I'm sure you might not be the first one to realize that typical bosses are dxxxheads... Also, changes are the new norm man. I'm sure one of the massive skills that you picked up along the way is to adapt well to changes. It's a steep learning curve and then you get there.

      Understand your point about culture, but what I'm referring to isn't about differences in culture. I just simply don't want to waste my time on people who are not worth it. Call me a snob or call me whatever you want, but I don't really have time for these people. They are just not worth it.

      Totally agree that your blogs are about intellectual debates on social issues. However you do bring your personal perspectives into things which are occasionally not aligned to what 'Joe average' thinks which then leads to people judging you rather than the topic of debate. Also, some of your perceptions are pretty outdated. Singapore have moved on since. Even I find myself out-dated, even only being away for 4.5 years. Anyway, point is, you are not wrong at all and I fully support you on having a debate, but there are such people around who don't see these as opinions and different perspectives.

      Talk about trolling, could I recommend you to read the commentaries on social issues on newspapers (online version) such as Guardian, Telegraph, etc. Lots of inflammatory remarks there. Fact is that when you are speaking out on topics that are sensitive or say things that people don't want you hear, you would get all these. It is not just prevalent in cyberspace, it is there since the start of mankind - regardless of nationality, race, religion.

      At the end of the day, it's your decision sir. You could go the 'LKY' way (maybe he learnt that in UK?!) or you could go down other paths. Your call mate.

      Cheers.

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    3. Hi Colin, read my latest post. I can't handle 2 on going court cases now - I got assaulted today.

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