Hi there guys, I have just watched a short video on the BBC news website of Michelle Yeoh's mother crying with joy when she had found out that her daughter had won the best actress award at this year's Oscars - congratulations to Michelle Yeoh and admittedly, I've yet to watch Everything Everywhere All At Once so I will talk about that film only after I have seen it, but there was something else which is I would like to talk about in this post. My regular readers will know that I have been acting for many years now, it is something I do on the side whilst holding down a regular job. I know I would never become successful enough to depend on it to make a living and I am just content doing a few projects a year on the side to step back into a world I've been fascinated with all my life. Recently I had auditioned for a part that I thought I had no chance for - it was a very well paid role in a high profile ad but basically the brief was so open in that they only specified that the actor had to be between 30 to 60 (okay that's me), non-white (yeah but you can be black, Asian, Arab etc) and they haven't quite decided the gender of the role yet so either a man or a woman could audition for the role. I saw the shortlist of people auditioning for the part and my friend Anna was on that list - she is a beautiful, tall black woman and I thought, yeah she's gorgeous, pick her. I've just returned from my holidays in Spain and I have this ridiculous ski tan on my face which made me look just comical on camera - a ski tan happens when you wear a hat and sunglasses when you're skiing under very bright conditions, so you end up with a very uneven tan only on the lower half of your forehead, the tip of your nose, your cheeks and your chin but the area around your eyes and the top half of your forehead are shielded from the sun and thus a completely different shade. Oh I thought my face looked so ridiculous in the audition tape and they will never ever pick me, but I did the audition anyway, as I didn't want to disappoint my agent.
But what do you know, I then got an email from my agent informing me that I had made it through to the next round and that the odds looked good, given that they had eliminated 95% of the actors from the first round. I was shocked, I watched back my initial audition video and my face did look so ridiculous with that ski tan but somehow, I must have done something the casting director liked. But I also found out that my friend Anna - the tall, beautiful black woman I mentioned earlier - well, she didn't make it through to the next round and having read that script, I would have thought that her chances of progressing through to the next round were much higher than mine. But there is still no guarantee that I'll get the part at this stage but I met the casting directors in person in London for a screen test. This is also known as a 'recall' as it is the second round of auditions. Even if I don't get the part, I'm just flattered to get that far in the process. I have signed an NDA so I can't reveal what the concept of the ad is, but according to what I have had to do for the first audition, there is an element of physical comedy to it so it's not just about some model posing with the product for the shoot - this would be done to how we interpret the script and deliver that subtle comedy to make the ad a lot more memorable. So this would come down to our acting skills, at the screen test the director would meet a short list of a small handful of actors who have impressed with their acting skills from the first round, the director would then try a few different ways to do the sequence, improvising and maybe using different props and based on how well the actor performs at the recall. But the bottom line is that the role is usually given to the actor with the best acting skills and that might sound totally obvious, but that's concept that my parents never really understood despite me trying to explain it to them over the years to the point where I've plain given up on them; at first I thought, they're just too stupid to understand but then I realized, actually they are just too working class to understand. So, please allow me to explain the difference.
Let's take a typical working class job of a bus driver - you get your time table, you know exactly which bus route you have to drive, you simply follow instructions and there's no real concept of doing your job exceptionally well because a bus driver who makes the effort to be very polite and friendly with the passengers or even cleans his bus during his breaks to give his passengers a more pleasant journey isn't going to be rewarded for that effort. There just isn't any kind of performance-related pay related to this kind of working class jobs. In a recent post, I talked about a Spanish woman I met in a café in the ski resort of Alto Campoo - she had a terrible attitude and almost looked angry when I ordered my coffee as I had made her put down her phone to do some work. But of course, she isn't on any kind of commission, she doesn't care how many cups of coffee or how many slices of cakes that café would sell that day; this woman has a typical working class job where she is paid a flat wage based on her turning up for work and she would get paid that wage whether she did her job well or badly. Thus for her, she was trying to do her job as badly as possible without getting fired to maximize her pay - after all, she had no incentive whatsoever to try to do her job better given the nature of her work contract. Thus parents fall into the same category as primary school teachers - hence whether their entire class performed really well at the exams or if they all failed miserably, they would be paid exactly the same. The possibility of the entire class failing is extremely slim because most Singaporean parents will step in and spend a lot of money on private tuition if their children were unlucky enough to be stuck with a terribly unmotivated teacher, but just like the very bored Spanish woman in the café, my parents were also stuck with that mentality of trying to do as little as possible at work which is a product of a system that has no mechanism to reward those who do go the extra mile to perform better.
This is why my parents don't understand the concept of how actors have to audition for a role and how they get selected for the part - for them, the concept of getting a job is limited to those like the bus driver and that Spanish lady at the café. You agree to work there, you show up for work, you do the hours and you get paid for it whilst doing the same as everyone else who is doing that job. If you are totally stupid, devoid of any talent or skill, then you'll want to be in that kind of role where you get to do as little as possible knowing that you will still get paid at the end of the day. I still have this memory from my primary school days when this teacher came to the class one day completely ill-prepared, she told the class something like, "class, open your textbook to page 42, chapter 7" and we were like. huh? But we have already done this chapter, why are we doing it again? Not only had the teacher forgotten, she had clearly turned up at the class having not done any preparation whatsoever. But instead of admitting to the class what her mistake was, she made some excuse like, "oh this is a very important chapter that we need to revise for the exam, so that's why I have decided to take a closer look at chapter 7 today." I was not convinced by her lie at all but she was probably thinking, "oh you're just a bunch of young kids, I'm the only adult in the room so I can get away with anything!" In this example, the primary school teacher did her job badly but managed to get away with doing her job badly as there really wasn't any mechanism to punish anyone in her position for making a mistake like that and this is probably one aspect of teaching that attracted my parents to the profession in the first place - hence they've often used the term '铁饭碗" (iron rice bowl) to describe teaching, so even if you're a really terrible, useless teacher, you are unlikely to be fired and so you will have a job for life.
Let's contrast that to the way I make money today: in corporate finance, there is no guarantee that I can earn money when I try to put a deal together. Here's a case study of a deal that fell apart, there was this company that needed a cash injection of US$2.5 million for their expansion plans and I had a client who said, I like what you guys are doing, I am willing to give you half of that, US$1.25 million and so we began the process of putting the deal together. The investor commissioned an independent third party to do a due diligence report on the company seeking the funding - the report wasn't favourable and accused that company of being way too optimistic with their sales projections and overvaluing their company. Thus upon receiving that report, the investor pulled out of the deal, despite the fact that I had put in so much hard work but I had no control over the way the due diligence report was written. Likewise, I could attend an audition, go through the entire process but still fail to get picked in the end, then I am still not going to earn anything. Let's take that audition I did recently for example, so the actor who finally gets picked for the starring role in this ad will be paid about £30,000 for 3 or 4 days of work as it is a really high profile product. There is a second choice called a 'Covid-back up', so there is still Covid-19 testing with all shoots like this and if the first choice happens to test positive within 48 hours before the shoot, then the second choice will be called in under those exceptional circumstances but the second choice would be paid probably no more than a few hundred pounds just to be on 'standby' during that 48 hour period. Thus there isn't even a role for the third choice in this process and the person who is the third choice gets absolutely nothing, apart from being able to take pride in the fact that they got quite far in a very tough selection process. So in order to ensure success in either corporate finance or acting, I will have to make sure I perform at my very best with absolutely no room for error.
Thus if you look at my income stream, I will be paid a lot of money a few times a year but I also have my passive income from my property and investments. It is this element of unpredictability and uncertainty that a lot of people may find quite scary, not knowing exactly how much they will earn say in the next six months. I don't even have that much control in this process: with the deal that fell apart, I had no say over what was written in the due diligence report. With any casting process, I can try my best to prove to the casting director that I'm the best actor for the part but it is still someone else making that decision and not me. But of course, this means that when I do succeed, the victory is even sweeter and the reward is much bigger than a primary school teacher, who gets paid a regular salary regardless of their job performance. Thus it takes a lot of confidence to go down the riskier route that brings more reward and unless you know you have the skills to pull it off, you're unlikely to want to take that risk. It is up to each individual to decide which path to take to maximize their job satisfaction and happiness, a person like me would get frustrated in a position where there's no performance related pay and there is no way I can earn more money by working harder; but on the other hand, a person lacking confidence would find the kind of uncertainty that I face extremely stressful and would prefer to know that their salary would simply appear in their bank account at the end of the month, even if that isn't a particularly big pay cheque. To each his own but it is clear that my parents and I are very different in this aspect and thus have chosen very different paths; they have no idea why I have chosen this path and have made very little effort to try to understand what it is like in my world, this has led to them saying some really shockingly ignorant, even hurtful things to me about the work that I do.
My mother once described what I did to a cousin as, "when they need to film something with a Chinese person, they will call him." I was so angry I totally lost my temper with my mother then - I'm not just a token ethnic character who gets work on the basis of my skin colour. I have to audition to prove what a fucking amazing actor I am, during my auditions I have to act, sing, dance, do gymnastics, be witty, funny, engaging and give the performance of my life to impress, rather than just say, "I'm Chinese" to get the job. Allow me to explain the difference between a skilled job and an unskilled job in the acting industry: imagine we have a scene in a Chinese restaurant in Chinatown so everyone in this scene is Chinese. The scene involves an assassin looking for the protagonist who is dining at the restaurant, the restaurant manager recognizes the assassin approaching and tells the protagonist to hide in the kitchen. There is a nervous confrontation where the restaurant manager welcomes the protagonists in and offers him food, but pretends that he hasn't seen the protagonist at all. Meanwhile, the protagonist is hiding in the kitchen and wondering, wait a minute, why does the restaurant manager know the assassin sent to kill me? Have I just walked into a trap? In the meantime, an old Chinese lady who has been making pork dumplings gestures to the protagonist to follow her through the backdoor - she hands him a big bag of used plastic containers to make it look like they are both just taking out the recycling. When they enter the back alley behind the restaurants, she tells him in Mandarin to run to the other end of the alley and turn left, there is an entrance to the train station there. "It'll be crowded at this hour, you will blend into the crowd. Get the hell out of here, go!" However, just as the protagonist gets to the end of the alley, we hear the old lady scream loudly as the assassin strikes her across the face and she falls to the ground, covered with blood. Our protagonist hesitates for a brief moment, then he runs for the train station. The assassin decides to leave the old lady on the ground and runs after our protagonist.
So in this scene, we have three main characters and two supporting members of the cast: clearly, the protagonist and the assassin are playing leads in the film. The restaurant manager and the old lady are both very important to this scene, but they only appear in this one scene and are not seen again for the rest of the film. So the top tier, most highly paid actors would be the two leads, followed by the two supporting characters and then the bottom tier would be the extras who are merely customers in the Chinese restaurant or some of the staff working in the restaurant. They are not acting, they are usually given very simple instructions like, "sit at this table, you're looking at the menu trying to decide what to order, don't make eye contact with anyone, your eyes are focused on the menu. Even when the assassin comes into the restaurant, you don't even look up, and don't draw any attention to yourself." When the protagonist is hiding in the kitchen, there could be a young man washing a pot at the sink. So he would be given instructions like, "you're washing the pot, I know it is clean but all you do is the same action over and over, wiping in the inside of the pot with that sponge. Don't turn around, your back is to the camera, we don't want to see your face. Don't wipe the pot too vigorously, don't draw attention to yourself. When the protagonist comes into the kitchen, you do not turn around to look at what is happening, you got that?" Essentially with extras, since they are not trained actors, they are merely there to populate the scene - whether it is a crowded restaurant or a busy kitchen. In this scene, an extra would be chosen for simply being Chinese but not be required to act whereas the actors who were cast in the leading roles and the important supporting roles would have had to go through an gruelling casting process in order to be chosen for those roles - huge difference. Thus I got angry with my mother when she tried to describe what I did as an 'extra' rather one of those leading actors: when I act, I do a highly skilled job, I am not an unskilled extra and I always get paid a lot more than one of those extras.
My father said this horrible thing to me when I once told him that I got cast in a lead role. He said, "so they finally got sick of seeing white people in the programme and decided to give a Chinese actor a chance then?" He made it sound as if I was given the lead role as an act of charity, as if some white person decided to make a grand gesture in the name of diversity to cast a non-white actor - he completely ignored the fact that I had performed so well in the audition that I had impressed the casting directors, convinced them that I was the best person for the job. But as teachers, they have absolutely no idea how competitive the adult world is beyond the gates of primary school. So I remember when I was in primary school, there was a school play and the teacher responsible for choosing the students for the play deliberately picked a particular shy student for a role and that casting choice puzzled me: they picked a very shy boy for one of the roles and I thought, he doesn't wanna do this and he's not even going to do a good job - why didn't the teacher pick one of the more outgoing and confident students in the class for that role, that would have been the most obvious thing to do. But the teacher had a completely different agenda, he simply wasn't that bothered about how good or bad the play turned out, he was more interested in giving the extremely shy student a chance to develop a different skill set and perhaps help him grow through the experience. Sure there were students who would have performed a lot better, but the teacher probably looked at them and thought, they already have great social skills and thrive at public speaking. Instead I really need to use this opportunity to help the students who need the most help in this aspect. Anyway this shy boy picked for the play hated every moment of it; on the day of the performance, he got on stage, took one look into the audience and just froze in total shock - talk about stage fright. After a lot of prompting by the teacher, he began to slowly deliver his lines but in a whisper so soft that even the other actors on stage (never mind the audience) couldn't hear what he was trying to say. That school play was nothing short of a dumpster fire of course, it was a car crash, it was a catastrophe but the teacher didn't seem to mind or care, as he had achieved his objective of forcing that shy boy out of his comfort zone.
So that is how a primary school teacher would treat the challenge of casting, they would pick the people who need the experience the most to develop their social skills, rather than choose the most talented actor for the role. Thus in the case of the school play that went so horrible wrong, it would be expected that the other teachers would not only understand but support the decision of that teacher to put that very shy boy in that play, regardless of how awful the results were. In fact, some people may even applaud this teacher for going through with a potential controversial decision as it would be so much easier simply to put a more confident boy in that role to guarantee a much better outcome. But of course, in the commercial world, casting directors are not like that and they have the responsibility to pick the best actors for the parts as they are committed to producing a high quality product so picking the wrong person for the role would be an expensive mistake that will also damage their reputations as a casting director. That is why so much money is spent on the casting process to ensure that any production, be it a film, a TV programme, an advertisement or a music video will always get the best actors cast in those roles. After all, the whole point of creating a film, TV programme or an ad is to make money and a poor casting decision could severely affect the profitability of the project. Would Everything Everywhere All At Once be as successful if a lesser known, less talented actor had been cast in the lead role instead of Michelle Yeoh? But my father didn't understand that, he could only see the situation through the filter of what a primary school teacher would do and he made no effort at all to try to understand my world, which is so different from theirs in the safe, sanitized environment of the primary school. Of course, I don't expect my parents to understand the very complex world of showbiz and how it works, however it is both frustrating and irritating when they make such assumptions as if I get a big part due to charity or a statement of diversity, rather than because I had proven that I am such a talented actor.
Thus this is why I get so incredibly frustrated with my parents to the point where I don't even want to talk to them anymore - what I am doing is a highly skilled job where only the best of the best, the most talented actors get chosen to do the most important roles; yet they have reduced it to an unskilled job which requires no talent, no brains, no efforts, which I only get due to some kind of charity. I roll my eyes and think, you know most parents would be jumping for joy if they realized that their child has some kind of talent and can excel in something, anything - yet you have so much talent in front of you in your own son but you somehow chose to pretend it is not there at all and ignore it? Well, the two explanations for this bizarre situation is that they hate me and they want to find ways to hurt me. So by refusing to acknowledge how talented I am, they have found a way to really upset me. My sister says it isn't true and the real reason is their extreme stupidity, like they take stupidity to a whole new level and we should just consider our parents mentally retarded so we have absolutely zero expectations of them to be able to understand anything. My sister once held a very senior job as a director at one of Singapore's hospitals - she is not a doctor but part of the senior management team there. Once a family friend asked my parents if my sister was a doctor (since she works at the hospital) and if not, what job did she have there? My mother said something ridiculous like, "she's a clerk who deals with complaints there." How did my mother miss the mark by so far? How could she reduce my sister's job to some very lowly admin clerical position despite the fact that my sister has tried so many times to explain to my parents what her job was? Hence my sister uses that example to explain to me how my mother is completely clueless when it comes to what the hell goes on in the adult world and not to take it personal because my mother is completely wrong about most things. I think my sister and I share one thing in common in that we are both just extremely grateful that somehow we didn't end up as stupid as our parents.
So I would like to end with the question, what do I expect from my parents then? I never expected my parents to understand how things work in my industry, but at the same time, I don't want them to assume the very worst of what I do - that it is something so simple that it is the equivalent of a totally unskilled job or that I can only get work as an actor when it comes as an act of charity. Both of these assumptions are completely untrue of course. I just don't want them to say hurtful, nasty things to me to insult me. Let me use an analogy, if I took an important exam and I am about to get my results, you have absolutely no idea how I scored. I have not given you any information about whether I thought I had done well for the exam or not, or even described to you whether I had studied for it or what kind of results I was expecting and so, you have no information at all. Therefore, what would you say to me under such circumstances then?
A) I am sure you will score very well because you are so smart, so you're bound to ace this exam.
B) Good luck! If you have worked hard for this exam, I'm sure your hard work would've paid off.
C) You are going to fail the exam as you're such a loser. You're always failing at everything in life.
Now statement A might be quite optimistic but hey, some people are conditioned to go for option A as they are simply socially conditioned to say something nice whether or not they have any hard evidence to justify that level of optimism. There is usually very little or no harm done when someone chooses option A. Option B is a far more common middle ground whereby you are trying to say something polite and encouraging without being overly optimistic - note that it is conditional, "if you have worked hard, then your hard work would've paid off". However the same side of that coin is "if you have not worked hard, don't expect miracles when you collect your results, you would be lucky to even pass." But option C is just a toxic mix of being cruel and pessimistic - it would be uncalled for to say something which would be the worst case scenario, you would have to assume the very worst of me to come up with option C. Thus in the case of my parents, I am not even expecting them to go for option A which would be to say something nice about how talented and successful I am, but I would have expected them to at least go for option B, which would be to remain neutral - that's good enough by me. But given the way they had talked about my work as an actor - reducing it to an unskilled job or something I can only get if someone offers it to me as a gesture of charity, they had gone for option C. Not only is this a total misrepresentation of the kind of work that I do, it is just baffling that in the absence of information, they would default to option C when option B is always on the table. Thus I find it hard to understand why my parents would reach for option C - if I am put in a position where I simply don't have any useful information to make any kind of judgment at all, I would either say nothing or opt for option B and say something relatively neutral. You could say that this is merely a function of their very poor social skills but really, how hard is it avoid saying something utterly cruel and nasty to your own children?
Despite setting my expectations quite low (all I want is option B, I am not asking for option A), I know I am not going to get what I want and they're always going to go for option C so I've just stopped talking to my parents. Yeah, it was pretty easy - I was going through a stressful difficult time in January and February with so many issues I had to deal with all at once - I felt so totally out of control and stressed then that I just couldn't deal with the fact that if I got on the phone to speak to my parents, I was going to have to deal with option C. I just said no, sorry but I can't talk to them now, no - I can't cope with it, I simply refused to - on normal days, I can cope with a small amount of their bullshit but not when I am already so stressed. But one week passed, then another and so I've not spoken to them since the third week of January. In fact I didn't even feel bad about not talking to my mother on her 80th birthday given that my sister took her out shopping for her birthday to buy my mother something nice, but instead of being grateful, my mother said some very hurtful and awful things to my sister during that shopping trip - it's almost like she just has to default to being nasty and cruel to people, even those trying their very best to be nice to her. When my sister told me about that incident, I just rolled my eyes and thought, that's why I don't feel bad about not talking to them. Thus it has been more than two months of not talking to my parents and yeah, that's just the way it is going to be from now on. I did wonder if we were going to make an effort to talk on birthdays or Christmas, but no, I don't even think I am going to do that. I look back at all the posts I have written about how utterly frustrated I had been with my parents and now I realize, why didn't I just stop talking to them years ago and free myself of all of this angst? What's the point of moving eight time zones away and still allowing them to wind me up and upset me like that? Look, I'm not saying that I'll never ever speak to them again, but at least I no longer feel the need to speak to them regularly just to keep in touch; we are not fighting, we are just not talking anymore.
Remember that part I told you about at the beginning of this post? Well, I didn't get that part but I was just happy to have gotten that far in the process whilst still holding down a full time job in finance and for that, I'm already very grateful. I'm learning to give myself a lot more credit than waiting for others in my life to give me that validation. But what do you think? Is this my parents simply misunderstanding an industry that is so foreign to them or is there an element of them being unnecessarily pessimistic? Am I judging them too harshly given that other Asian children probably face the same crap from their parents as well? How often should grown up adults speak to their parents - should it be a few times a month or a few times a year then? Do you feel obliged to speak to your parents? Do your parents make the effort to try to take any interest in your adult life? So let me know your thoughts and leave a comment below - many thanks for reading.
Your parents are idiots and clearly don't understand what you do or how hard it is to actually get an acting role thru auditions. I bet the think only Drs and nurses worked in hospitals. I wonder what your dad assumed I worked as at NUH when I went to see him?
ReplyDeleteAlso my own dad doesn't understand any of my jobs that I ever did. From IT to healthcare, he always assumed I did something so much easier than what the actual job entails. E.g. IT is just staring at a computer screen all day. And a radiographer is someone who presses buttons all day long.
OK I have had a rant about my parents, I would like to find out though if it's just me or if anyone with working class parents face the same challenges, ie. the working class parents imagine that all jobs are 'easy' or come with an element of luck or charity without acknowledging the fact that you have to be really good at what you do if you want to land a highly skilled job? That's why I went though the three options of A) being optimistic, B) being neutral and C) being pessimistic when reacting to something you don't know anything about. I want to make it clear, my expectations are very reasonable and quite low - all I want is option B. If my parents can be neutral with me, then I am more than happy already but no, they have this habit of going out of their way to be really pessimistic with their children. I've seen them do that a lot to my two sisters so that's why I am keeping my distance for now and minimizing contact. I feel like I've given them so many chances in the past to build a relationship with me as an adult but we're way past that at this stage, so I'm just going to focus on other people in my life instead.
DeleteI mean as long as we don't see validation from our parents I suppose it is ok to ignore their opinions because they come from a different time and will never understand the complexities of modern society.
DeleteWell yes, I was just having a discussion about private equity and project finance with my friend also called Alex - he's a leading expert in the field and I'd talk to him about work stuff. Then I have my friend Natalia in the gym whom I train with and she gives me feedback on my gymnastics; I wouldn't talk to Alex about my gymnastics (I might go as far as to send him a video once in a while) and I would never talk about work stuff to Natalia (well, not unless she wants to go into finance after she graduates). That all seems like common sense of course, I go to the right people to talk about the respective topics that they are experts in but that leaves me with the situation whereby I have no reason to speak to my parents at all if they have zero expertise on anything. That does make me wonder what other people in Singapore do if they found themselves in that kind of situation - do they just stop talking to their parents?
DeleteAt one point of time I flat out stopped talking to my parents for 2-3 years. But I am not most people so ymmv.
DeleteIt's not that I want to say "you're dead to me, you'll never see me again." It's just that I find that the best way to avoid conflict is to minimize contact with them as I don't enjoy being at the receiving end of option C when talking to them. I would visit them again in Singapore when the time is right, but now's not the time.
DeleteHey Alex, I don't think it's a working class thing. I think they're spiteful because giving you praise would mean they have to admit they haven't done as well in life as someone who grew up in the same environment. Just think of all the people your dad hates for no reason, I mean he actively hates rich people come to think of it. Also, rich parents can be verbally abusive too. In contrast, I have friends with working class parents who even if they don't understand what engineering is are still supportive of their kids. Some people are just assholes y'know?
ReplyDeleteHow would you explain my dad then? He hates rich people too? I doubt so since he hangs out with some very rich friends who can afford to spend 4M on a wrist watch.
DeleteWell I did have a much better quality of education compared to them so it's never going to be a fair comparison when it comes to the education aspect - I think it's just that they didn't contribute to what made me successful so there simply isn't a sense of connection at all when it comes to me achieving something in my adult life. So it's a bit like saying, "hey Michelle Yeoh won an Oscar" and expecting me to feel happy for her when there just isn't a sense of connection between me and Michelle Yeoh. Likewise, there's no connection between my parents and I. There barely was any when I was a kid and there's certainly none today.
DeleteAs for me chalking it up to their working class backgrounds, perhaps that's just a part of me still trying to find an excuse for them, to excuse their behaviour as bad parents rather than just accept things for what they are when it comes to their bad behaviour.
DeleteI understand wanting a rational explanation for their terrible behavior. But it doesn't seem like they have lots of friends and family they're heaping praise on while only being awful to you. Sometimes there isn't an explanation sadly... aside from that some people find it hard to feel happy for anyone else if they're not getting something out of it.
DeleteI actually have a friend who's recently gone no contact with another friend who keeps giving her option C. She kept on telling me "maybe if I say the right things, he'll finally admit what he's done is wrong instead of constantly deflecting blame or gaslighting me." And I told her "even if you torture him, he'll still lie to, manipulate, and coerce you... You don't need a confession in order to leave. Because if you did, you'll let him get away with it for eternity."
Oh gosh, they say horrible things, ie. option C, to my sisters all the time and I don't even know what kind of joy or thrill they gain by saying something like that to my sisters. I'm sure I've told this one before so I will jump to the punchline - my sister took my mum clothes shopping to buy her something nice. My sister then spontaneously tried on a dress in the shop and asked my mother, "what do you think?" as she stepped out of the dressing room. I am not going to repeat what my mother said but it was classic option C. So I am like, even if I didn't like what someone was wearing, I might criticize the dress ("that's the wrong shade of blue, let's try to find something a bit brighter") rather than criticize the person wearing the dress, ("you look really fat in that dress, it is very unflattering, you look like an overstuffed sausage ready to explode."). So if I went for the latter, then at least the person asking me the question might go pick something else to ty on but you did an option C, woah - where do we go from there? Like there's nowhere to go from there. But why would anyone even go to reach for option C unless they seriously intend to insult, mock or hurt the other party?
DeleteI think they are just autistic or just plain stupid they say things as a reaction without really understanding the meaning or those words and its effect on the listener.
DeleteWell, that's the thing about selfish narcissistic people, it's not that option C is necessarily very attractive or give lots of benefits, it's more like option A/B feels like they're giving up so much. Selfish people just can't fathom helping anyone else for free, so they go for option C because at least they're not helping at all. But jeezus, the phrase "if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all" exists, so they didn't have to go for option C with regards to how someone looks in a dress, saying nothing or saying "it looks okay" is also an option. Maybe some people just get high from putting others down? I know some people like that.
DeleteOh Choaniki the fact that they are the most stupid and autistic people on the planet is a given - I'm past the point where I hurl the worst insults at my parents. There was a time when I was very angry, I'm past that now; I'm just trying to figure out why some people automatically reach for option C since others such as those that Amanda have talked about do this as well. I don't want to turn my blog into this long rant of "I hate my parents so much" - I am beyond that now. At this stage, I'm trying to make sense of human behaviour. But if you're trying to tell me that my parents are both extremely autistic and hideously stupid, I just roll my eyes and think that's the same as telling me that the sun is very hot or the sea is full of water - yeah, I know, you're not telling me anything new. At least Amanda's analysis is more insightful as to why people reach for option C. My opinion is that if someone has been bullied all their life, they have only been exposed to option C - or at the very least, they were exposed to option C the vast majority of the time and hence that's just what they default to as option C becomes the norm for them. The other theory I have is one based on my relationship with my parents (and one sister sometimes slips into this as well), it's called "give them a reason to hate me". I think it would really suck if I was the perfect son being super respectful, polite and filial only to be treated like shit (ie. non-stop option C), so I go out of my way to be as hateful, nasty and horrible as possible to them so that when they react with option C, it is a totally logical and even reasonable response. If I know that their default response is option C and that's the only option on the table, then my best case scenario is to be equally horrible to them so their response is a logical one. But look at my eldest sister, she is super nice to my parents and she still gets option C from them - hence that situation sucks, whilst my situation is at least logical. So which is the better outcome then: a situation that totally sucks or at least one that is logical?
Delete@Amanda have you heard of Hanlon's Razor? It is an adage that's states, "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
DeleteI think in @LIFT case this more appropriately explains he parents' behavior rather than some narcissistic characteristic.
Hey Alex, that's really shitty that your sister does everything she can to make your parents comfortable and happy, but they just can't do the same for her. The thing about blaming things on stupidity is that there are some stupid people who aren't malicious at all, they just don't have an opinion half the time, or their opinion is not directed personally. Like you said, they could've said the dress was ugly instead of saying the person is ugly. I remember in high school I had a friend who wore a black dress to graduation, and she asked me what I thought of it. Me being an idiot said that I didn't like the dress and it looked like a witch's dress. Of course that was hurtful, but I never said "you look ugly like a witch" to my friend, I just said the dress was ugly. Not that it excuses things, nowadays I would just say "looks cool!" Also, have your parents ever said anything nice to their children? Like what did they say when you got into Raffles Institution? Or when you got into UCL?
DeleteY'know, I do know people around me who give option C all the time. But because they're wealthy, they have to disguise it in a polite way such that they come off as passive-aggressive rather than outright aggressive. An example I have is two childhood friends (both grew up wealthy) who became obese in their early 20s. At the time, one of them says to the other "this year I'm going to start going to the gym to lose weight", and the other replies "oh you'll always be my chubby buddy." The guy who wanted to start gymming got extremely offended complaining "he's trying to drag me down to his level" to his other friends, and promptly ended their friendship. Even though "chubby buddy" on the surface sounds very lighthearted, it is still option C.
OK in response to Choaniki - I don't even think that narcissism is part of the equation here as a narcissistic person is full of themselves, they think that they're better than everyone else and they disregard the views of others, often acting in a selfish manner whereby they prioritize their own needs over others. So a narcissistic parent might force a child to cancel their activities in order to do something like, "I want to go to the mall this afternoon, cancel whatever activities you have because you need to drive me there. My desire to be driven to the mall by you is more important than whatever plans you may have made." So that suggests something a lot more complex going on in the relationship where one party manipulates the other - but with option C, it's not even that complex. It's more comments like "you're so stupid" and "you're too fat and ugly" that doesn't even begin to deal with the complexities that a narcissistic relationship would entail. That's why I think it's wrong to attribute my parents' behaviour to any kind of narcissism as (sorry to be blunt here), they are just way too fucking stupid to be capable of being narcissistic. You need a bit of brains to be a narcissist and with my parents, they're so fucking stupid they don't even meet that minimum threshold to behave that way. Again, if I may be very blunt, I think Choaniki has grossly underestimated how stupid my parents are.
DeleteI think with my eldest sister, she just accepts option C whereas I demand at least option B. Option A is a luxury I will never get with them but I am fine with that, at least just don't give me option C when it is so awful. It's like that example of the dress, criticize the dress if you must but don't criticize the person wearing the dress. It is the difference between, "that dress looks awful, it doesn't look right on you because of that material, but hey, let's find something a bit lighter that would be more flattering for your skin tone." Vs "you look shit in that dress."
As for what happened each time I got good results, at first they were pleased as they felt they had directly contributed to my good results - this was very much the case when I was in primary school and they would scream at me, beat me up etc if I couldn't score well in the exams. But as I progressed to secondary school, they totally lost interest in it for a simple reason - it was too difficult for them. I have this memory of when I was 8 years old and my mother asked me a question the night before my exam, I gave the wrong answer and she instinctively slapped me across the face out of frustration - she then screamed like a madwoman at me, "this is so easy, how can you get this wrong?!" But when I started learning about things like chemistry and physics, I could've easily done the same thing to my mother and called her stupid; that's why the moment I left primary school, they just stopped taking any interest in my studies. Thus when I got a scholarship to UCL, their attitude was, why do you have to go to England to study when there's a university in London? My parents have no concept of how there's a league table and how we rank universities, that there are good universities and bad universities - in their days, the fact that anyone could read & write was already a big deal as it meant you could get a job that involved reading & writing, thus in that context, to get a degree, any degree, from any university was a big deal. Thus they didn't understand at all how I had to do this scholarship thing to go to the UK - they were probably afraid that once I went, I'd never come back to Singapore (and they'd be right).
DeleteAlex, that's some serious child abuse you've been through, physical and emotional abuse. The fact that they lost interest the minute they couldn't understand what you were doing just showed extreme selfishness on their part. It's not even an "I've done my job as a parent, Alex is now smarter than me! I don't have to keep an eye on him anymore." They sound like they want to feel like they were involved somehow and in a position to judge, the minute it's not about them they can't just be happy for someone else. That sounds very narcissistic to me, in the loosest definition of "everything has to be about me." Lies and manipulation take a bit more intelligence, but feeling that you are the center of the universe doesn't really.
DeleteYeah that sounds like a very working class attitude to think any degree is a good degree. Here in America the equivalent of SIM is DeVry university or University of Phoenix, places which take anyone with a pulse and even offer online degrees. Employers won't touch graduates from DeVry or Phoenix, but many working class people flock there because they don't understand what university rankings are since their parents didn't go to university, and online education provides flexibility to work to support yourself while studying. It's sad cuz DeVry or Phoenix charges more than state universities, saddling their graduates with more debt despite employers not as willing to hire.
LIFT, I'm not sure what your grandparents were like but I would make a guess that they were not particularly nice to your parents, and behaved in the same manner. I see this cycle of viciousness in some Asian families(particularly the older generation), where parents treat their kids the same way their own parents used to treat them. There is this sense of petty jealousy I guess, i.e why should I lavish praises and make them feel good, when nobody did the same for me? It takes strong and mature parents with some worldly experience. to break out of this cycle. From your previous posts, I can see that your parents are the type that never got out of their comfort zones, thus missing the chance for some much needed wisdom.
DeleteApart from Hanlon's Razor I have no other logical explanation. I bet even if you were to approach your parents for a direct answer you won't get any. The world doesn't have logical answers to everything...
DeleteOK firstly for Amanda, yeah it was awful, what can I say. They went through the same thing with my nephew - there was a part of them that enjoyed being smarter than my nephew when he was a young child in primary school but once he got to secondary school and the same subjects like mathematics became way harder, they did the exact same thing - they stood back, lost interest and grew distant. There wasn't even a sense of "look how much my grandson is achieving in school now he's a teenager!" It's nope, no idea what the hell he is doing, not spoken to him for ages, not interested. Anyway, this is why I think people like that need a pet, so that they will always be smarter than the dog or cat, a pet that will always be dependent on them for everything, even water. Aa for universities, don't even get me started - they have asked me so many dumb questions about degrees and universities to the point where I'm like, sigh - you just don't get it do you?
DeleteSo moving onto@Ayhtas, yeah my parents had very toxic, very dysfunctional relationships with their own grandparents. For starters, both my grandfathers died very young - like way before I was born, so they were never a part of my childhood. But come on, we're Asian, of course they were seriously nasty and abusive to their children - that's the norm, did you think we were white? LOL. My sister and her husband both have terrible parents but they are trying to put right the wrongs from the previous generation by being good parents to their son now; I don't want to go into the details of what they got right or wrong (they're not perfect but here's not the time to open that can of worms) but at the end of the day, at least they recognize that they need to break that cycle of abuse.
Finally @choaniki - I've not spoken to my parents since January and it's April, let's see how long I can go without speaking to them. I'm not saying that I'll never ever speak to them again, it's just that I'm proving to myself how life is perfectly fine if I just go yet another week without talking to them. I don't miss them, they don't care about me and there's just peace, no fighting.
Oh people like that shouldn't be allowed to have dogs either. Animal cruelty is a punishable crime in the US (not so sure about Singapore). You can't hit a dog/cat just like you can't hit a child. Also because of how dog-loving/cat-loving the US is, if your neighbors found out you hit a dog/cat they'd never speak to you again.
DeleteBtw, I was reading this interesting article on nytimes about how universities shouldn't have the primary mission of getting their students a job, because that comes at the cost of liberal arts majors like English or Philosophy which "teach people how to think." There was a heated discussion in the comments where a man claimed his daughter did a "useless major" but still managed to get a job at Google(ad revenue department), however he did reveal she went to a top 20 school. That reminded me of the time Goldman Sachs came to visit my school to do campus recruiting, and the recruiters couldn't care less what major you were whether it was electrical engineering, philosophy, feminist and gender studies, or biology, they never even asked. People misunderstand that as much as education is valuable, prestige/connections are still necessary to get you a foot in the door. If someone goes to Oxbridge, by all means pursue art-history, Goldman or Barclays won't care next time they visit. But if they go to Brighton, no big bank ever visits so they need to prove they have an in-demand skill.
Alex, I'm surprised it's taken you until your 40s to cut your parents out of your life. Realizing life is fine without them is a good first step, but maybe its not just that life is fine, but that your parents are the root cause of many problems in your life in the first place, hence making them deserving of being kicked out.
Hi Amanda, as for my parents - I think I am using my husband as an example. He didn't see his mum regularly (his father died before I met him) and they barely talk. It's a few times a year like Christmas and birthdays of course where they do try to catch up but that's kinda it - it's not antagonistic, they don't argue, but at the same time they're not close either and I would even go as far as to describe it as kinda cold at times but that's fine. His mum has now passed away and there definitely isn't a sense of "oh I wish I spent more time with her when she was alive" - sorry to be so blunt, but she said a lot of stupid crap when she was alive and there was a lot of "do I let it go or do I tell her that she's talking complete rubbish?" I imagine my relationship with my parents will become like what my husband had with his mother when she was alive - he didn't cut her off totally, but he just was quite distant and cold, nonetheless at the very least they were not fighting and there was peace. I think that's all we all want at this stage: peace and nobody fighting (whilst we speak a few times a year).
DeleteIf you weren't already distant and cold, what were you? I think it's really hard to be affectionate with people like your parents because you get so little back. Also I didn't know your husband also didn't have a good relationship with his parents. I guess cold parent-child relationships aren't only for Asians.
DeleteWell let's put it this way, until January this year, my eldest sister would make a real effort to try to speak to me once a week and most of the time, my mother would join the call though she would just sit there, not saying much. My father wouldn't even bother and those calls were just making small talk like, so what did you do this week? How's work? What's the weather like? It's shallow and there's not much substance to those conversations if I may be blunt. But I kept those conversations up politely as she is my sister after all and we've been doing that for years. So it wasn't that I was cold and distant, but I went into corporate mode - an example would be if I walked into a meeting with a client I had absolutely nothing in common with and didn't particularly like, but I would still remain formal and polite, even faking a smile if I have to in order to give the client a good impression. I found that I was pretty much doing the same thing with my sister and mother. Was I warm and affectionate? Not really, I was at best, pretending to be friendly the same way I do with clients. In fact the other day, I was in my client's office and his friend came in - I had no idea whom this guy was, his name was Mark so I spent a few minutes speaking with Mark. I was polite and friendly of course but I only behaved like that because Mark was the friend of my client, not that I actually liked Mark. I don't know enough about him to have any feelings about him anyway as we only crossed paths for a few minutes that day. But was I friendly with Mark? Of course I was, but was it sincere? No it wasn't, it's what we do when we meet people like that at work. I found that I was doing the same thing with my family, faking that friendliness and that warmth when really, I am just distant and cold on the inside.
DeleteAs for my husband, he just wasn't close to his parents at all - even after his father died, his mother never really took the chance to get close to her own children. Instead she was very independent and hated the idea of having someone take care of her until her health went downhill near her death, but she chose to be distant - she never took the time to get close to her own kids. Now my husband is the youngest child and the two older siblings in his family fought like crazy with their mother but my husband saw how much angst and pain that caused everyone and decided that it was better to be 'distant and cold' to avoid conflict than to be in the kind of relationship where you just scream I FUCKING HATE YOU SO MUCH I WISH YOU WERE DEAD! So please, don't give him an award for being the best son - he simply chose to be 'distant and cold' with his mother to avoid the kind of conflict he witnessed his two older siblings experienced with her. Sometimes, being distant and cold is the best outcome available and there simply isn't the option of being warm & friendly.
You know, they say don't speak ill of the dead but she was a pain to deal with. It was impossible to have a normal conversation with my mother in law as her listening comprehension was very poor. My husband said it was because she was going deaf and could only pick up about 50% of what we said, thus she was only listening to half the conversation and missing out a lot of information, making any kind of conversation nearly impossible. Quite frankly, I don't think her hearing was the problem - like when she needs information, she knows how to hear perfectly fine. Like when she asked a question like, "where did you put the bread we got from the supermarket earlier?" If I gave her that information, I don't need to shout, she would be able to hear me perfectly well and I wouldn't need to raise my voice or repeat myself - she would be able to find that bread. But when she's not even paying attention or she fails to process the information you've given her, especially if we're dealing with a topic more complex than "where did you put the bread?" then she has serious problems processing that kind of information and it's a nightmare trying to have a conversation with someone with such poor listening comprehension skills. Anyway, I see the way she is and I realize, yup that's why two of your three kids fought with you all the time when you're alive and the only one who managed to put up with your crap was the one who chose to be cold & distant to shield himself from any kind of emotional damage you inflicted on him.
DeleteOK Amanda, you live in America where you have great customer service and that's because you guys tip well - so imagine if you went to a restaurant and the waitress was really attentive and friendly with you (hey, that's the USA way). Then you witness how that waitress is super friendly with all the customer she has to serve as she is working for tips of course. So for that waitress, being friendly is her job, it has nothing to do with whether she likes the people she is serving or not, she is like an actress playing a character called 'very friendly and caring waitress'. So when I talk to my family, I go into that mode - I pretend to care and smile the same way that friendly American waitress engages you in small talk as if she genuinely cares what you're going to eat that day. Yeah, I do feel like I go into American waitress mode because they are my family.
DeleteMind you, a lot of people do that with their family and perhaps going out of your way to be kind and polite, pretending to care and smile when we're with our family isn't that unusual for most people. I just feel like it's not sincere, it's not genuine so why are we doing it anyway? That American waitress is trying to earn her tip, at least she has a very good reason to put on that act and say to you, "have a nice day!" as she flashes you her best smile.
DeleteIt isn't sincere yeah... Families are supposed to love each other, not pretend to love each other. I mean what do people get out of pretending? Some sense of "I still have a normal loving family"? I think I used to pretend until I realized I couldn't fake it anymore. I'm okay with my siblings and we text each other every week, but I just can't tolerate my mom anymore. I have some friends who tell me they don't like their siblings, but they don't hate them either, they just don't get along well. But those people get along with their parents. Then I have some other friends who sometimes tell me "I don't have much of a relationship with my parents aside from money", which is kinda weird but it sounds like they're gonna be cold and distant in the future.
DeleteOh American waiters vary in terms of service. Like if it's an expensive restaurant where they can expect a big tip, then yeah you'll get the best possible service. But if it's just a normal restaurant then it's not too different from any other place. I just feel sorry for waiters when their base wage is $2/hour.
@Amanda, I disagree with you. Blood is not thicker than water. Just because we have no choice of our family members does not mean we must tolerate it love them. I choose my spouse and that I will invest time and emotion in. Not my family, not me.
DeleteIn fact I am writing my next post about this topic now, as based on the experiences of an American waitress in Orlando many years ago - akan datang.
DeleteY'know, the way you link being a waitress to acting sounds like you also do a bit of acting yourself working in sales in finance, as well as acting like a dutiful son who loves your parents at home. And people say showbiz isn't worth it, acting sounds like a very transferrable skill in your case haha.
DeleteCan I act? Yes I can. Do I put on an act to try to be nice to my parents? No I don't, that's what my sisters do. I used to get into such massive arguments with my parents whereby neither parties would back down - they claim I'm disrespectful and rude, I then tell them that they can scream all they want, they're still stupid uneducated idiots who are wrong. I don't know how to say this without sounding like a totally nasty piece of shit - I don't love my parents. I don't have any desire to make them happy. I have stopped talking to them. If my parents die tomorrow, I probably won't even attend the funeral as they're already dead to me. If that's the way I feel about my parents, then would I use my acting talents to make them happy by pretending to be a good son? Hell no. I wouldn't, as a matter of principle, I simply refuse to do that out of spite. If that makes me a spiteful, vindictive person, then guilty as charged. No, acting is a passion of mine that I pursue to make myself happy, not make my parents happy. They have absolutely nothing to do with it and pullease - whatever made you think I've ever done anything to act like a dutiful son who loves his parents? Have I ever told you the way I used to fight with my parents and tell them how much I hate them? That's not what a good son does - I am a terrible son and I want to set the record straight, I am truly the world's most awful son. But at least that's in the past. I've gone from "I FUCKING HATE YOU AND HOPE YOU DIE" to not talking to them at all, that's an improvement of course, but please, I would never pretend to be a good son to them. Hell no. I hate them too much to do that.
DeleteA lot of people who are awful children don't want the world to know about it, but for me, it's the only way for me to stay sane as my parents have been so nasty to my siblings and I. The only way it all makes sense is if I make sure I turn out to be the nastiest, most evil, most disrespectful, worst son in the world and then it gives them very good reason to treat me like shit. Then at least, hey, we hate each other, we're nasty to each other - that's at least a logical situation. What I hate however is the way my sisters are so nice to my parents and in return, are treated like shit. Now that situation is neither logical nor normal - it's bullshit. That's why I always state for the record: I treat my parents like crap, I go out of my way to insult them and disrespect them and I am the worst possible son. I want them to hate me, I want them to know how much I hate them too. That way at least this whole situation can make some sense to me. This is why when you insinuated that I could use my acting skills to fool my parents that I am a good son - I'm like, nah fuck that shit, I want them to hate me and know just how much I fucking hate them. When I've calmed down, I'll continue in the next blog post when I will discuss why I have taken this stance and why I really want my parents to know how much I hate them.
DeleteOh I only thought you acted like a good son since you brought up the waitress acting like a character called "very friendly waitress", but "good son" could be too strong a word, "polite and cordial son" sounds closer in definition.
DeleteI hate my dad took and have never held back when criticising him. Just the other day I got into a 2hr argument with him when I told him I'm leaving my current job. He told me the current place is stable blah blah so what if they are underpaying you.
DeleteI told him, "Old man I didn't come to you for career advice. I just want to know about registering a company ." Let him go sort that out, I sleep well at night spewing those comments if he doesn't want to hear them he should have kept his boomer opinion to himself.
Okay I think I have a clearer picture of your prior relationship with your parents. For small low-level neutral statements they make like "I went to the market today" or "I went to the doctor last week" you smile and pretend to care like a waitress. It's basically smalltalk at this point. But for large blanket statements like "oh London is so cold, it's a terrible place to live compared to SG" or even making a comment about your employment situation or something personal, then big disagreements arise which turn into a shouting match. Omg, that's so similar to how it was in my family with my mom, and my sister is just like your sisters resorting to saying "yes" because saying "no" turns into a big fight. Me and my brother got into lots of shouting matches until we just decided its better to cut off contact and save a few blood pressure points. Would I say I "hate" my mom? Usually I just think I felt like I deserved more love growing up, and that we should value and respect each other's opinions and nobody should be lied to, manipulated, or coerced, but otherwise, that's all I think. I think for my own protection, it's just easier not to spend time hating someone. Actually, sometimes I feel more "fear" than "hate" most of the time.
DeleteOK I have calmed down and please let me explain why I felt what you said was inappropriate Amanda. The American waitress has to put up with all kinds of nasty abuse as she is at work, she is serving customers - it's what she does for money and there is at least a financial incentive for her to put up with the abuse as she is hoping that even the nasty customers will leave her a tip. Here's an even more crass example - I know of this very fat guy (let's call him DC) who regularly visits prostitutes, just because DC is fat and ugly doesn't mean that he doesn't crave sex with hot women, he just has to pay for it. I know DC through work and once after a meeting, I would say something like, "I'm off to gymnastics now, have you got any plans for the evening?" And he would tell me about the prostitute he was going to meet and how hot this Brazilian lady was and I'm like, woah TMI I didn't think you were gonna divulge that much. I just kept a poker face and said, "well mate I think I know who is going to have more fun tonight." Do you think the Brazilian lady had fun servicing DC that night? No, urgh, DC is really fat and gross, I never met the lady but I felt sorry for her already. But it is a job, she is doing it for the money and I hope DC paid her well for her services. Having sex with people like DC to make money must be quite a horrible life, I'm sorry, no disrespect to the Brazilian lady but it must've been awful for her. But the bottom line is people will do horrible things (like have sex with DC) if you give them a good enough reason to do so, such as money to pay the bills. Now if you want me to use my acting skills to be nice to my parents, I'm asking you Amanda, what do I get in return for that performance? Oh I get option C, a whole lot of abuse. At least that Brazilian prostitute got some money for sex with DC, I get option C for that performance. I am also convinced that my father has already written me out of the will and left everything to my nephew as he is still convinced that my nephew needs the money more than me, given that I'm earning the most amongst me and my siblings and I'm fine with that, I don't want what little my father has left - I can earn my own money, I'd rather he spends that money taking care of himself in his final years than leaving it for his children or my nephew. I actually know of someone who goes into the American waitress mode with his parents as they have some money in their will which he really wants and it's a big enough sum of money to make him wanna put up with their crap - that's his choice but at least there's some kind of reward in the form of cold hard cash for him at the end of that process. You don't need to be an investment banker to figure out that I'm faced with a bad deal here: be nice to my parents and get abuse (option C) in return. That's why when you suggested that I use my acting skills to pretend to be nice to my parents, my reaction should have been, "I may be a great actor, but any rational person would only put in such an effort if they can get something in return, or even if they get nothing in return, at least they shouldn't get abuse in return. All my parents have to offer me right now is option C (abuse), not even option B (neutral response). Just because I can do it doesn't mean I should do it, I should instead do what is best for me."
DeleteHey Alex, that is a very sucky situation and I'm really sorry if you felt like I attacked you saying you should use your acting skills to please people who only abuse you. It sounds like being away from them is probably best for both parties.
DeleteThank you Amanda. I must learn to explain myself without swearing and getting angry but as you can tell, this is an emotional and sensitive topic for me.
DeleteOh I don't mind if you tell me if something is difficult to talk about or sensitive. We should respect each other's opinions, even if we disagree. Like I had no idea it was this bad for you growing up, it would be hard to control one's emotions about this topic considering the kinda child abuse you mentioned.
DeleteA major part of my frustration is that fact that my two sisters allow themselves to be continually abused by my parents in that kind of horrifically abusive relationship whilst getting nothing out of it, apart from this concept that they have fulfilled their duties as good Asian children taking care of their parents. You wanna do good deeds, there are plenty of charities out there but no, they dedicate themselves to their parents and none of it makes any sense given that they get nothing out of it. At least that Brazilian prostitute is paid cold hard cash when she has sex with DC (as awful that that sounds, DC is gross I swear), but my point is simple - it's bad enough to do something like that for money but wait, what if DC simply insulted and abused her instead of offering her cash? That's why this whole situation with my parents only makes sense to me if I give them a very good reason to treat me badly, it helps create a logical situation for me and that's good for my sanity if the world makes more sense to me.
DeleteYour sisters sound like Ms TedTalk from the last post.
DeleteWell actually they're similar in some aspects but quite different in others, the age gap also plays a role in that difference as I'm closer to the one who is younger.
DeleteI have 2 brothers who I never talk to. The eldest brother no one has seen him for over 20 years. Talk about dysfunctional families.
DeleteBtw I just got my first quant interview, it's with a trading firm. They pay decently according to Glassdoor, but I just hope it's not a job where I have to be at the trading desk 12 hours a day because the software industry pays similar but the hours are laxer. Though quant jobs are more bonus based. I have to do a coding assessment first though.
DeleteCongratulations Amanda, when will you find out if you progress to the next round?
DeleteI have to submit the math/coding assessment within 14 days. They'll let me know a day or two after submission if I had satisfactory performance and when the interview is scheduled. It's a very short test though, only 24 min! I would need to study for it. I'm surprised they gave me a math assessment because last year I applied for an internship with them and they rejected me outright. But I work part-time in A.I now which maybe sold them on my coding skills.
DeleteHey Alex, what's it like working on contract instead of as an employee of one company?
DeleteActually in practice, there's only one difference: there isn't a set amount of money appearing in my bank account at the end of every month. I have to hunt for my next deal to make some money and that's a sacrifice in terms of financial stability - but I'm not only a home owner with no mortgage, no kids/family members to support, I also have enough passive income every month to make sure that I can live in a way I am accustomed to. Like I can go on Skyscanner, spot a flight to somewhere nice and just book the holiday without caring if I can afford it because I know I can. I am still working from home of course like before so I am still sitting in the same spot in my living room, doing these Zoom calls and that part has not changed. I now have multiple streams of income instead of just one and so on one hand, structurally, the way I earn has changed a lot. But on a day by day basis, the way I make money hasn't changed at all. After all, I'm still doing the same kind of work albeit now for different companies instead of just one company. It was a necessary step to take but I'm glad I have been able to adapt to these changes fairly quickly.
DeleteAh okay, so it's more like instead of someone giving you work every month (in exchange for a guaranteed pay) you have to find the work. But also if any work pops up, you can take it, and you can make as many deals as you like without anyone saying "no." That sounds like a very good deal.
DeleteI know that feeling where you can buy almost anything that tickles your fancy. I recently walked into my favorite Indian restaurant and ordered any dish I liked without looking at the price. It's good to finally make more than minimum wage.
Well think about it this way, if you have a skill like coding, you can use your coding skills to do projects for one company and get a salary every month from them (whilst being expected to do all the work they give you), or you could go freelance and take on various projects from various companies but you're still coding for these various companies at the end of the day. I've been been approached by a company in Brazil to do some work for them (remotely of course, working from home - the days of going to the office are long gone after the pandemic). On one hand, I'd love a trip to Brazil at some point in the future but on the other hand, I think it's brilliant that a company in Sao Paolo can just say, hey Alex could you do this for us and we'll pay you for it even though I am here in my living room in London so far away from their office in Brazil. The second point is that it is not so much the consumption of goods/services that pleases me but it's more the absence of fear of running out of money. I grew up in a poor family where my parents were always afraid to spend money for fear of literally running out of money for other important stuff - so it's not a question of simply having the luxury of buying whatever I like on a whim, but it's more a matter of living your life without once having to worry about running out of money. That's probably something you never had to think about since you were never ever in that position before Amanda.
DeleteI am baking a cake this afternoon as I have some coconut and I wanna make a low-sugar coconut cake. But I always roll my eyes when I mention that I am doing a contract for this company from Brazil and people say dumb shit like, "are you going to Brazil? Are you moving to Brazil?" Holy shit. How fucking stupid are they. If I am a baker who is making a living by making cakes, then yeah I would have to move to Brazil in order to work in a kitchen to make those cakes that can be served fresh to the customers, I won't be able to do that from London. But if I work in corporate finance and my product/service is essentially my brain power, my good ideas, my strategies and my problem solving skills, then I can serve a client anywhere in the world from Brazil to Bangladesh to Belgium without leaving my house in London. Sorry about that, rant over.
DeleteI actually know a freelance cyber security coder who works in Sg. He works for 2-4 companies at any one time in parallel, and bills each one a different set of hours each month depending on how much time he spent on them. He has a pretty nice life, the last time I visited his apartment for a dungeons and dragons game it was huge for Singapore standards.
DeleteYeah your job is more technical than most people think. A lot of due diligence to do. It's not all wining and dining.
Well just as well I am not baking for a living, I just took the coconut cake out of the oven and realized that I had forgotten to add one of the ingredients. No excuses, it was because I thought, "oh I know how to bake a cake, I know what I need to put in there" and conveniently forgot the yoghurt. I doubt it'll make that much of a difference with a cake like that but yeah, I'm sure the pandemic has taught us that we can all work from home and bake cakes whilst taking Zoom calls from our living room tables. So it doesn't matter which city I'm living in, I can still serve this client from Brazil. It's a guy I knew from a different company I dealt with when he was living in France, he left me a voice mail and said so many nice things about why he wanted to continue working with me - oh that really made me so happy that he thinks so highly of me.
DeleteOh yes remote work with flexible hours is an incredible privilege. Waking up whenever you want, cooking in the middle of the day, exercising, going to doctors appointments, etc. Yesterday I went to a pool at a public sportsplex at 10am in the morning, and had an entire Olympic sized swimming pool all to myself because it was work hours for most people. Though to be fair, both me and you have swam through lots of rivers of shit to get to this position in life. I had to grind for minimum wage in academia before I could land jobs like this, before that I had a short stint working long hours in a semiconductor factory in Singapore, where I had to commute 40 min each way on public transport. Fair play to people who do manage to land these kind of working conditions fresh out of college, cuz I wasn't able to.
Delete@Amanda it took me more than 20yrs to land such a gig. @LiFT knows what I'm talking about. But akan datang big career reveal...
DeleteAkan datang, just spoke to your new boss today. Paperwork on the way!
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