Wednesday, 6 October 2021

Brian Wong is censored, so is cancel culture going too far?

Hi guys, I am going to revisit the topic of racism - that of the East Asian nerd and this was because it had come up in the news again today. The publisher Harper Collins has removed a Chinese character deemed as 'harmful' from David Walliams' book The World's Worst Children. This was because the publisher had caved into pressure after a social media backlash about the character Brian Wong pandering to the very worst of Chinese stereotypes - the character is illustrated with small eyes, wears glasses and looks like a nerd. As a British-Chinese person in London, I obviously took interest in the story and so the first thing I wanted to find out before I passed judgment was whether or not the portrayal of this character Brian Wong is racist or not. I actually read the story and it was pretty stupid, I will spare you about ten minutes of your time by telling you that the target audience is very young children, so it was a dumb, vapid tale which didn't really have much of a story line to it apart from the fact that the boy Brian Wong was a very stubborn and flawed character. Sure there was an element of stereotyping involved with the glasses, being a nerdy swot who enjoyed maths, but what most people forget is that there was another character in the story Kenneth Chan who was a kind and empathetic character, who showed the very flawed Brian Wong kindness and was there for his friend. The word 'Chinese' was never ever mentioned in the story, even if it was clear that both principle characters were Chinese. If this had been a Singaporean or Chinese writer and if the story had been set in Singapore or Shanghai, I don't think anyone would have even considered accusing the story of being 'racist' - but the only difference is that David Walliams is white and English. 

I grew up with a lot of guys who were so similar to Brian Wong: my point is there is no smoke without fire. Chinese guys like Brian Wong do exist for a simple reason: it sucks to be poor and working class. That statement is true whether you're Chinese, Kenyan, Peruvian, Slovenian or Canadian. I have been there, I grew up in a poor working class family in Singapore. Whilst my rich classmates had fancy toys, I went to the library to read books to amuse myself because the library was free whilst those fancy toys were expensive. I remember how I tried hard to conceal my jealousy when my rich classmates talked about going to beautiful, exotic places on holiday when I knew that my working class parents would never be able to afford something like that. But when it came to our grades in the exams, it was a level playing field - well sort of. My richer friends had a lot of private tuition to help them improve their grades but I knew that if I studied harder than them, I could still outperform them and get better grades. Thus getting excellent results became this thing that you can't take away from the poorer kids - they may not have nice toys, they may have holes in their shoes, they may not have all the privileges that the rich kids have but the one thing that they have is their grades which they believe will be their ticket to social mobility and a brighter future. If getting an A in not just maths, but all your other subjects in school is that important, if it is what you base your pride and self-worth upon, then yeah you do turn out like Brian Wong - a swotty nerd who is very obsessed with being the top student in class and I recognized that immediately. 

Let me share a story about this former classmate whom I shall refer to as 'Tang' (not his real name) - Tang's family was so poor and just to illustrate how bad things were for Tang, his family couldn't afford the basics that the rest of us took for granted. The system in Singapore works like this: once you complete your primary school education at the age of 12, you would move onto secondary school and that would involve getting a new school uniform at that stage. So in his last year at primary school, Tang had hit puberty and experienced a growth spurt - however, his parents refused to buy him a new uniform even though it was obvious that he was struggling to fit his clothes. Their reasoning was that spending more money on a uniform that he would use only for a few months was a waste of money - money they simply didn't have, Tang was told to simply put up with the discomfort for a few months,  then they would get him a new uniform when he starts secondary school. Then one day disaster struck, we were playing football in the schoolyard when Tang went running after the ball, it looked as if he tripped and fell. I thought he had hurt himself when he didn't stand up but it turned out that he had ripped his shorts which were way too tight for him anyway and falling over was the last straw on the camel's back for those shorts, they had ripped open right down the seam at the back! He was mortified at what might happen next if all the other students realized what had happened so Tang sat there on the floor, totally paralyzed by fear. 

Luckily for Tang, a teacher nearby had witnessed his fall and came over to see if Tang was alright; she then asked me to run to the office to grab the newspaper for her from the teachers' lounge, which she then hastily used to wrap around Tang's bottom to protect his modesty but it was too late - even if the other students didn't see Tang's bottom, it was pretty obvious what had happened so the students started laughing at Tang. Fortunately for Tang, the school kept some 'emergency uniform' for situations like this and Tang was given an old pair of shorts - some former students would donate their old uniforms to the school. The teacher then called Tang's mother to come to the school and pleaded with her to buy Tang some new uniform that would fit him as he was a growing boy but Tang's mother said that she simply had no money for that kind of thing. In the end, the kind teacher gave Tang's mother some of the school's "emergency uniforms" on the condition that Tang would only need them for the rest of the year and at the end of the year, Tang's mother would return them to the school. Now Tang was actually a brilliant straight-A student, whilst the other students would make fun of him as the boy with holes in his shoes or the boy who split his shorts exposing his bare ass in the playground, Tang would then turn around and mock the rest of us for not performing as well academically. I remember once when he came up to me and asked me how much I scored for my maths exam; I knew he had topped the class and I deliberately said, "oh sorry, I can't honestly remember, I really don't care how I scored." That was a lie of course but that response frustrated the hell out of Tang because he was very desperate to tell me that he had performed better than me in that maths exam. 

There is a good reason why people like Tang and Brian Wong would retreat into the comfort of a subject like mathematics. When it comes to deal with people, managing social relations, there are no easy answers, no set formulas to follow to achieve the right result. Trying to get people to like us, trying to make new friends is a highly complex process with simple answers; that's why people with poor social skills tend to seek solace in activities like maths and computer games, where you can effectively shut off any uncertainty associated with dealing with people and so they can enjoy an activity where they can not only be assured of achieving their desired outcome, but they can replicate that over and over again. Now a kid doing maths homework for fun is a rather extreme example of this, the more common example of this kind of behaviour is when autistic kids spend many hours playing computer games on their own. There is actually something quite tragic when a child does that, when a child effectively gives up on human interaction in favour of an activity where they feel they can be in full control of the outcome - that means they have no confidence that they have enough control in their human interactions with their peers and they desperately need help to develop their social skills. I think that this is a serious issue amongst young people today, yet somehow, despite touching on the topic, the writer David Walliams offers Brian Wong no empathy or understanding, choosing instead to mock Brian Wong and invites the reader to do so as well, instead of trying to understand why so many young people today behave like Brian Wong; so this is really a huge mistake on the part of the writer - even fictional characters Brian Wong deserves a bit of understanding. 

Now there are so many similarities between Tang and the character Brian Wong - however, I don't think anyone would have an issue with me sharing my story of my former classmate Tang because I grew up in Singapore, I come from a very poor working class family in Singapore and thus I have earned the right to talk about Tang, given that I do understand the cultural context. But in the case of Walliams, he was born in West London and grew up in a relatively affluent area in Surrey in a middle class white family; in sharp contrast to Tang and I, Walliams had never tasted the kind of poverty or deprivation that some working class kids would have had to suffer. Now don't get me wrong please, I am not excusing Tang's behaviour - in many ways, he was very similar to the character Brian Wong but at least I am giving you some context about why Tang behaved this way. Having a reason or excuse to explain his behaviour still doesn't justify it, oh he had very few friends at school as most of the kids shunned him - not because he was so poor, but he was always trying to prove to people that he had better grades. He was only interested in making himself feel better about being smarter than everyone else and that did become quite tiresome after a while, so I hung out with other students with better social skills. But the format of my blog is quite different of course, I'm targeting a much older audience who would appreciate me given them the insight into the social context of Tang's story whereas Walliams was writing a book for very young children so any kind of explanation about the complicated social context would be lost on such a young audience. 

Imagine if I wrote a story about Tang and published it, I don't think anyone would accuse me of racism simply because of the colour of my skin. I do think that this is an interesting theme to explore and that's why I've discussed the themes ranging from class identity to social skills on my blog given that I know what it is like to grow up in a poor working class family and have to battle against the odds to succeed in life. So would it be fair to accuse Walliams of whitewashing - is he trying to write about an issue that he has little or no knowledge about? I suppose in his defence, he could say that this is just a children's book for a very young audience, he isn't trying to write a novel for adults so there really isn't the need to go into a lot of details when it comes to explaining Brian Wong's cultural roots and how that may impact on his behaviour. Thus Walliams is in a no-win situation, it is not his responsibility to portray Chinese characters in a positive light to try to get white kids to like Chinese people more but if he creates a deeply flawed Chinese character in his story, then he gets accused of racism. Given the kind of problems that a rich, middle-class white writer like Walliams would encounter in creating a Chinese character like Brian Wong, I would say, don't even go there. If you wish to talk about the flaws in Brian Wong's character, then make him a white character then the story would revolve around social skills without it involving any element of cultural identity and most importantly, without running the risk of offending any Chinese people. After all do you want them to buy your book or not? If so, then don't do anything that may alienate and offend that large chunk of your potential market - I am surprised no one from the publisher advised David Walliams about this issue. 

To be fair to Walliams, yes I've encountered a lot of Chinese guys who are just like Brian Wong when I was growing up in Singapore - this stereotype exists because of a culture that places so much emphasis on academic achievement over other aspects of a child's development such as social skills. This is really the most bizarre self-fulfilling prophesy when children who were brought up with this mindset get into positions of authority and then they start rewarding younger employees who had the best results at school, rather than those who are actually good at their jobs. Thus we have the bizarre situation in Singapore whereby senior professionals in their 50s and even 60s have to submit details of their exam results from their secondary and primary school as if that is somehow relevant. As for the geeky, nerdy appearances, good grief - it is something that I find utterly appalling. You see, in the West, we have a long tradition of identifying the social class of a man based on the way he dresses - so without even having to speak to a man, I could probably identify his social class within a few second after observing him. This is not the case in Singapore for a few reasons: firstly, our extremely hot and humid tropical climate has been the main factor in dictating the way people dressed rather than any kind of social convention but more importantly, Singaporeans had switched from a far more Asian form of dressing to a completely Western style of dressing within just two generations. However what Singaporeans did was adopt a very Western style of dressing without any of the rules and conventions that came with it. 

Having grown up in a poor working class family in Singapore myself, I have seen how my parents react to this issue: I remember this story from my childhood. I had this classmate whose mother (whom I shall refer to as Mrs Ang, not her real name) made a real effort with her appearance - she would dress up nicely, wearing make up and use perfume. I later found out that Mrs Ang was an estate agent thus she wanted to look her best when showing her clients around the properties. My mother labeled Mrs Ang a slut, a whore and described her as a prostitute because according to my mother, Mrs Ang was already a married woman - what the hell was she doing trying to tart herself up like that to attract other men, only prostitutes would do that. There's a rather cruel phrase in French that comes to mind: mal-baisé - the literal translation is "badly fucked" but it refers to a woman who is so ugly that even her own husband wouldn't touch her. So if a mal-baisé woman meets an attractive woman like Mrs Ang she can either a) make an effort to improve her appearances or b) change her perspective by painting Mrs Ang as the slutty, depraved whore trying to seduce men whilst making no effort at all to improve her appearance. There is an element of sour grapes to this mindset when a woman in that position says, "I don't want to look anything like Mrs Ang, look at her! She looks like a cheap slut! Her  poor husband must be so embarrassed when she turns up looking like a prostitute." You might think that this is an irrational way to react to this situation but actually there is a very obvious reason why some working class people do adopt this kind of mindset. 

It costs a lot of money to look as fine as Mrs Ang - she would spend a lot of money on her outfits to look like professional in the business world. Everything from her shoes to her handbags to her accessories would be expensive an even the make up she is wearing, the hair care products she uses, right down to her perfume, all that costs a lot of money. Working class women like my mother didn't have any money to spend on all of those things: such is the harsh reality of being poor. You don't have the money to spend on nice things that will help you look a lot more attractive. However, taking the sour grapes approach to dismiss Mrs Ang as a depraved slut and call her names costs absolutely nothing and that is the cheaper route that a lot of working class people take. So when someone like Tang sees a classmate playing with an expensive toy, he deals with the situation by condemning that classmate's behaviour as hedonistic - that classmate is a lazy boy who is wasting his time playing with that toy instead of studying for his exams; he might also claim that the rich boy should have spent all that money on educational books rather than a silly toy. The alternative would be to simply accept his bad luck that he was born into a poor family, that his working class parents could never afford to buy him nice toys like that and Tang simply alters his perception of the world to feel better about the bad situation. Thus if you come from a poor working class community where few people have any money to spend on their appearances, then being an unattractive nerdy, geek becomes the norm and if everyone in your community looks equally geeky and nerdy, if nobody has any money to invest in their appearances, then you don't feel like there's something terribly wrong with looking like that. This goes a long way to explain why so many Chinese men are so geeky and nerdy. 

So it isn't unreasonable to talk about nerdy, geeky Chinese men - they certainly do exist in large numbers today, I don't think it should be a taboo subject but I doubt David Walliams was the right person to talk about this sensitive topic. I don't even think I'm the best person to talk about it given that I am not a geek at all today; in fact I've done everything to project the image that I am far more like Mrs Ang - I love fashion, I want to make myself attractive and I'm willing (and able) to spend vast amounts of money to do just that. In fact, if Tang met me today, he would probably condemn me as vain, hedonistic, shallow (and that's just the tip of the iceberg). It would be interesting to find out how Tang feels about the portrayal of Brian Wong in this story to understand how a real life Brian Wong would relate to his fictional counterpart. It would be useful to get his perspective as I'm sure he wouldn't agree with most of what I have written here. Don't forget, we should never treat "Chinese men" as a monolithic entity, you can look at some of the most popular Chinese actors and pop stars - have a look at this list of top 10 most popular male Chinese stars today. Oh they all look so incredibly stylish. Certainly, they are all extremely attractive, well-groomed, take great pride in their appearance and they are anything but geeky. I would say their cosmopolitan image is a blend of what we would expect from Korean stars along with a lot of style lifted directly from the West. Thus it's not as if cool, handsome and attractive men don't exist in places like China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore; it is just that there isn't that much of a penalty for appearing like a geeky nerd in the East compared to in the West, whereas being a geeky nerd in the West is often a lot more harshly punished. 

Allow me to use an analogy to make my point about different societies having values: so in the West, rich people always enjoy winter sports, being able to go skiing during your winter holidays was something rich people did - access to winter sports is a status symbol. Whereas in Singapore, this is not the case because very few rich people chose to do winter sports. They simply had other ways to spend their money so going skiing isn't quite the same kind of status symbol in the East. So in the West, if you said to your colleagues, "I've never been skiing before", it would be a huge social faux pas because that would be tantamount to saying, "I'm poor and working class." It would risk pushing all the wrong buttons, so even if you have never been skiing before, you would never share that fact with your colleagues. Whereas if you said that same statement in an office in Singapore, it would not result in the same repercussions - people will simply take it that you don't like winter sports and not make any assumptions about your wealth or social class. It wouldn't be some kind of shameful secret you would have to hide from your colleagues. Thus by the same token, turning up to work in a city like London looking like a complete geek would at the very least invite the silent judgment of your colleagues - they might go further and talk about you behind your back or even ostracize you on the basis of your appearance. However, if you turned up for work in Singapore looking equally geeky, there simply isn't that same 'social penalty' for the simple reason that you wouldn't stand out at all, there are probably other guys in the office who are equally geeky. An especially stylish man would be rewarded for looking very attractive, but there's no equivalent penalty for looking geeky in the East. 

There is one more issue that I just can't overlook - what about the Chinese people who are accusing Walliams of racism because he was perpetuating a racist stereotype? What is their motivation for pointing the finger of blame at Walliams then? If Walliams was actually saying something quite genuinely racist and hateful about Chinese people, then I would be the first to complain but Walliams had simply created a character who was a swotty nerdy geek: I grew up with loads of kids in Singapore who were just like that. These stereotypes are unflattering to say the least, but they do exist for good reason. Should we pretend that they don't exist at all or at least try to start a sensitive and tactful conversation about the issue? The way I see it, if you want people to think that you're sexy, stylish and attractive, then the onus is on you to invest in your appearance, create the perfect image. That's a massive undertaking but it is your responsibility to make people like you - it would be wrong to shift that responsibility onto someone else like David Walliams and expect him to make others like Chinese people like you. This reminds me of something I stumbled upon on Facebook years ago by a Chinese-Malaysian guy who claimed that he can never ever pick up white women in America because of all the negative stereotypes about Chinese guys portrayed in American media - this being Facebook, I then clicked onto his profile and saw all his photos. Holy shit, the problem isn't in American media at all, just take a look in the mirror, therein lies the problem. You can't pick up women because you're a fucking ugly geek, you're not attractive and that's your entirely fault. 

I work in investment banking today but I do a little bit of acting on the side and I did act in a Cambodian beer commercial last month. Please allow me to share with you an incident earlier this year: my agent called me and told me that there was a TV show that wanted me for a minor role - it was just two days of filming and the money was decent. So I requested the script and I wasn't comfortable with what I read: the comedy was set in a university - the character they wanted me to play was that of a security guard who didn't speak English properly and had a very strong Chinese accent. I thought it wasn't very intelligent to try to get cheap laughs by making fun of a Chinese person speaking broken English, so I said no - I turned it down and I told my agent, "I am sure there must be loads of other actors desperate for experience, let them do this role - I don't like the script at all." Whilst I had the choice to refuse to be a part of that project, on that very same day, I went to an Asian supermarket in Chinatown where I witnessed a white customer asking a shop worker there the question, "could you tell me what is the difference between light and dark soy sauce please?" The shop worker tried his best to offer an explanation but it came out in broken English with an extremely strong Chinese accent. So yes, of course there's no denying that Chinese people like that do exist and are in fact in the majority - Chinese people like me who speak English without a Chinese accent are in fact in the minority. So even I had to acknowledge that the script wasn't exactly racist per se, it merely depicted an aspect of Chinese people (ie. the very strong Chinese accent) that I didn't want to be associated with in any way at all and thus I have no regrets at all in saying no to that role. 

I would like to finish by pointing out the difference between the coverage of this story on the BBC and the actual uncensored response on social media - the BBC article shows a victory by those who campaigned against Walliams and effectively managed to get Harper Collins to censor the story of Brian Wong. A read of the comments left on Instagram has revealed that others actually do not think that Walliams has been guilty of racism and that Chinese people are actually a LOT more racist than white people, that the portrayal of Brian Wong in this story is nothing like the hideous portrayal of black people in Africa and that Chinese people really ought to take a look in the mirror and examine their own racism before they accuse Walliams of being racist. Whilst all that is true of course - let me be the first to acknowledge how hideously racist some Chinese people can be and how appalling that is  - I also need to point out that two wrongs don't make a right. Just because some Chinese people are racist doesn't give British people the right to be equally racist, rather we need to put aside our skin colour and nationality for a moment and hold individuals to account for their actions if they are deemed to have done something of a racist nature. Thus it is completely wrong to say to a Chinese person, "shut up, you have absolutely no right to talk about racism because Chinese people are so racist." No, every single person has the right to talk about racism regardless of their skin colour. What we need to do is to listen to the other party with an open mind and then respond with a cogent argument to put forth our opinions - what I find really distasteful is the way many have tried to shut down any discussion on this topic rather than engage with others online; unfortunately that's a reflection of how people with very poor social skills misbehave online and I go out of my way to avoid people like that. 

So there you go, I hope I have done poor Brian Wong justice in offering you some context into why people like that exist - rather than simply censor any portrayal of geeky Chinese nerds like Brian Wong in the media, I think Brian Wong deserves some empathy and understanding. We need to talk about the social context that has created people like Brian Wong in our community rather than use cancel culture to simply censor all the Brian Wongs out there and pretend that Chinese men like Brian Wong don't even exist at all when not only do they exist, they represent the majority of Chinese men out there. But what do you think? Have you met geeky Chinese nerds who are just like Brian Wong? Should we censor men like that in the media and only allow Chinese men who look like the most stylish K-pop stars to appear in the media then? Why are some Chinese people so offended by the portrayal of Brian Wong in this case? And do you believe that David Walliams is really guilty of racism in this case? Please leave a comment below and many thanks for reading. 


72 comments:

  1. I think the issue with stereotypes is not their use per se, but using them as an excuse not to write character depth. Is Brian Wong more than just his nerdiness? In the story maybe he wasn't, but you did mention another Asian character who was empathetic. Also when I do see Asian men complaining they can't pick up girls in the West, I don't think it's racism because usually the Asian men complaining have zero muscles and a very skinny looking physique while the typical white guy in the west loves going to the gym. My brother moved to the US from Southeast Asia in his teens, and suddenly he developed all these muscles simply of peer pressure. And he was a typical Brian Wong in Asia, yet he had no problem picking up white girls because he learned to fit in and go to the gym from his white friends. But lacking physique is usually a working class thing, though the British stereotypical equivalent would be a fat working class white Brit with bad grades most likely to be working at a supermarket instead of a scrawny Brian Wong type destined for university.

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    1. Well that's the difficulty with writing children's books aimed at a very young audience: you can't offer a complex narrative that a 5 or 6 year old kid simply wouldn't understand, so you default to stereotypes using a very simple plot. Would it have been possible to create a complex character, with the writer showing great empathy and understanding? Perhaps, but it would no longer be a children's book. David Walliams isn't some great writer - he is a comedian/actor who is cashing in on his fame by trying to write a children's book. Like if you're writing for a 5 year old kid, you don't make it complex so Walliams wouldn't have to spend 5 years writing that book, he could probably knock out a couple of short stories a day if they're kept really simple with the target audience in mind. Walliams could say that he created two Chinese characters, one with terrible social skills and one with excellent social skills - he has already showed balance in his approach and it would be unreal to expect him to make every single Chinese character exemplary.

      I think it is more than just having muscles - it is about knowing how to talk to people, show empathy, be a good listener, show kindness and being a really nice person. That's the bedrock of my career - people are working with my company because they know that I'm the account manager and I will take care of them. It goes beyond just looking good or having muscles, it's all about social skills and of course, the Brian Wongs of this world have zero social skills. People aren't working with me because I'm so freaking brilliant or good at maths - hell no, it's my social skills, I know how to build relationships in business.

      Speaking of which, I met our latest client: one of the directors in the company is just 24 year old. Again, he dropped out of university when he realized that he was smarter than most of the teaching staff there. And now he's making more money than me. Holy shit, I'm inspired Amanda, this is crazy but real. At least here, I am honest with you - I'm somewhat intimidated by people so successful and so young, but they keep me on my toes, they keep my humble and I wanna learn from them.

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    2. Maybe I'm less bothered by the Brian Wong stereotype because I'm practically female Brian Wong. But I did once meet a Korean American girl who said she hated these nerdy Asian stereotypes because she's a business major who failed math in high school. But yeah it's a children's book, what can you do? Though as an Asian who grew up in Asia I'm less exposed to these stereotypes so it's probably not my place to comment.

      Yes it's not just muscles, hell I know a nerdy guy with huge muscles that was an athlete in high school that claimed no girls liked him. I can see why, he tells the weirdest jokes that all sound like dad jokes. But why does Asia penalize bad social skills less than the west? Don't you wonder? Is it because of Maslow's hierarchy we care less about emotions and more about material needs? Maybe... Though with China's lying flat movement that sounds like it's becoming more than just about materialism.

      You meet a lot of successful 24 year olds in your new job haha. I guess if he had access to the necessary capital and manpower to start a company and had a novel idea, why stay in school? School is for people who can't come up with original ideas and need a job where someone else tells them what to do. Though people do say this is why people pay attention to university rankings. Not to necessary learn what's in class, but to be inspired and constantly challenged by their peers. If you attend a low ranked university where it doesn't take much to impress the person next to you, then maybe you won't aim higher.

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    3. Oh Amanda, no no no - you're not a female Brian Wong. I think your social skills are really good, the fact that we are talking about it, you possess a lot of self-awareness that Brian Wong would never have. That Carrie (remember that HK woman I have to work with) would never have. I laughed out loud when I found out that her idea of hitting on my colleague was asking him out for a drink and then crying on his shoulder for over an hour, pouring out her heart & soul as if he was gonna feel sorry for her. She left her bad job on bad terms (just like me) but whilst I was angry, I had the social skills to focus my emotions on being successful at my new job to prove my point that I'm a winner, I'm determined to be super successful whilst she couldn't handle/manage her emotions and it all came spilling out over a question like, "so why did you leave your last job?" Amanda, you're smart, you're pretty and you have good social skills - you're nothing like Brian Wong apart from being Chinese and having similar cultural roots.

      As for it being a children's book, Walliams probably said, "oh you can't publish Brian Wong? Fine, I'll write another one for you, I'll have a new story for you ready in 15 minutes." Yeah that's how painfully simple such stories are when written for little kids. It's no loss to Walliams - he's no Shakespeare.

      You've given one good reason about why Asians do not penalize bad social skills, ref: Marslow hierarchy of needs. But also it is simply a question of ratios - if everyone has such poor social skills, then having poor social skills simply make you a part of the majority. No big deal. The same way the vast majority of Singaporeans speak English with an Asian accent, no big deal if some minister stands up in parliament in Singapore and delivers a speech in heavily accented English but if he did that at an event in New York, the locals might struggle to understand him and find his accent really weird as he then becomes highly unusual with his accent in New York - context is everything.

      No, this was a guy from a white family who fled Zimbabwe as the country collapsed into extreme poverty + political unrest so he has to support his family. Having mouths to feed is a great motivator to make a lot of money. You're spot on with your analysis of the situation - I could do a whole post about what it is like working with these younger guys who are so successful and ambitious, makes me look in the mirror and shake my head when I reflect on myself!

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    4. Well I used to be Brian Wong in Asia. But my version of that is being super quiet and panicking if I had to talk to strangers, and maybe saying something stupid if I had to say something. Omg Carrie thinks that's charming? She's gonna lose lots of Tinder dates that way. You never want a romantic interest to feel sorry for you. Empathize with and respect yes, but not feel sorry for. Also if she cries on his shoulder but doesn't ask him about his life and problems, that can come across as selfish. I'd say you've adjust pretty well to your new job. Also the housewarming party and inviting your husband to the rooftop bar helped. Screw your old employer, there's so much more good stuff to focus on rather than the bad.

      Lol don't get me started on how even the upper management in Asia have bad social skills. I remember watching a cringe introduction video to a new degree program that my uni in Singapore presented, and I was surprised how heavily accented and cheesy the lines that very senior ranked members spoke. In a Western country that's the equivalent of a C suite executive speaking in a highly accented New York accent, most of the country would not understand them. But I guess in a country like Singapore their population is homogenous enough that everyone understands most people. Social skills is adapting to a wide variety of backgrounds.

      Wow that is an insane motivator to do well in life. It kinda makes me wonder what does his company do that allowed him to get rich so fast. Yeah that would be a very interesting post. You've discussed a lot about education and climbing the corporate ladder, but not about successful dropouts like young Dave and this person.

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    5. Btw I just noticed a line in this blog post where you mentioned Singaporean professionals in their 50s and 60s have to present PSLE and O level results. Like LOL! Just LOL! Is this a side effect of the working class mindset thinking everything can be measured in data points? Like how an Uber driver with the highest star rating is given the best pay? A typical Western person would think not even the bachelor's degree matters after the first job.

      I remember this German guy who was the head of a design firm that once came to my university in SG for career day to talk about a wonderful employee he hired. He said he hired her because she conceptualized and built a new type of washing machine during her final year of university. However, he mentioned during a company dinner she asked him what he thought of her final grades, and he said "I don't even remember them." And he was shocked because she then said "but I worked so hard on my grades...", and used this story to illustrate that creative companies only care about creative projects, not about a single data point that indicates how much information was memorized during university. But it seems like this employee was raised to value her grades more than the project because she grew up in Singapore.

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    6. Amanda you have grown so much from the person you used to be and you've become a wiser and better person - that's a beautiful process, it's called growth. You'll be amazed how many adults simply stop growing because their minds are closed but you've done incredibly well in nurturing that side of your skill set. Never take that for granted and always give yourself a lot of credit for having done so well in this aspect Amanda.

      As for why Singaporeans take their education and grades so seriously, let me give you an analogy to help you understand how this mindset works. This is a true story: I was once in Morocco when I befriended another British tourist, we went sightseeing together and I helped her overcome the language barrier since I speak French and a little Arabic. She was a nice lady but so gullible - there was a Moroccan tea shop where they sold her the concept of a special slimming tea and she wanted to lose weight. They convinced her that this tea would help her slim down super quickly but it was expensive - I told her not to buy it but the charming young man convinced her to part with her money. I then helped her translate the instructions from French to English for the tea:

      1. Drink the tea twice a day, after 30 minutes exercise.
      2. Avoid oily, sugary, fatty foods before and after consuming the tea
      3. Strictly no alcohol when on the tea-regime
      4. After consuming the tea, drink a large glass of warm water
      5. Make sure you get enough sleep at night for the tea to have its full effect

      Now she could have figured out it was all a con - if she had exercised more, change to a healthier diet, cut out alcohol, fill her belly with hot water (to avoid hunger pangs from an empty belly, causing cravings for snacks) and get enough sleep (we snack to stay away when we're tired), she would have lost a lot of weight without buying that expensive diet tea. The tea didn't work, it would never work but because she was so determined to convince herself that this was money well spent, she followed the rules and yeah she did lose weight.

      But was it the magic tea per se? Or was it all the other things she did that made her lose weight? The thing is, all Singaporean kids pay a super high price for their education, for their grades - you should she how freaking hard my nephew studies, he puts me to shame when it comes to being hardworking as I'm so lazy in comparison. However, is it all worth it? He's paid a really high price, he's really hoping it'll be worth it of course, but isn't he just like that British tourist who spent an insane amount of money on the magic diet tea?

      So in the case of the employee who was aghast that her German employer didn't even remember her grades, she was a woman who spent $10,000 on her magic diet tea and she's desperately trying to convince herself that it was the $10,000 magic diet tea that worked it's magic, rather than her exercise regime (which would be her creative project on the side). So I think we're wise enough not to fall into that mode of thinking - just because you had wasted $10,000 on the magic diet tea doesn't mean it has any magical properties, it just mean that you were dumb enough to not realize it wasn't a price worth paying for. That's why I don't mention my grades today to my employers because nobody gives a shit, but what they do care about is the work I do for them. So for example, I dealt with a client from Moscow this week and he was pleasantly surprised that I could speak Russian with him. That's what they care about when I engage clients at work and they come back with positive feedback based on the work I do, such is the working world.

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    7. This is why it is so important for students to seek work experience to get a taste of how the real world functions, in the school environment, as students, all they ever do is seek the next good result, to please the teacher as if that's all that matters. As students, they feel that's their raison d'etre and Asian societies reward good students who have played their role in being successful in his mission to get straight As. However, there is this massive disconnect between the grades we get and how our employers feel about how we perform at the workplace. Good grades may play a small role in helping you secure your first job but that's it, it has a limited role for a limited time and once you've done that, then that's it - move on with your life. But they cannot get over the fact that they had spent $10,000 on that magic diet tea, so they want to imagine that it continues to be useful (when it no longer is, not at all). The problem with this of course is that Singaporeans continue to perpetuate that myth. You know what my idiot mother said to me once? She asked me if my employers were impressed with my grades at school and I had to tell her, nobody gives a shit, they didn't even asked to look at my degree - they don't even know if I went to university or if I graduated or not. None of that matters in the world of banking, all it matters is whether or not you can do your job well and they don't teach you any of that at school or university!

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    8. But let me get your opinion on something if I may Amanda: one of the guys at work (let's call him Paul not his real name) I deal with was very grateful for the help I have given him (see? I told you I'm good at my work, this was one happy customer) so he asked me out for dinner and then Paul said, hey bring your husband along. I said fine but please, bring your wife along and he said okay it's a double date. Good grief, it was a disaster to say the least. Paul got very drunk at the dinner (at what a nice restaurant, what a shame) and he was so rude to his wife - I felt sorry for her. Believe me Amanda, I'm quite used to people getting drunk but he took it to the next level. Paul got so drunk that he mistook my husband as one of his cousins (maybe they look alike), so he then started talking to my husband as if he was that cousin, "remember at the funeral last year, we went drinking after the funeral and then we went to the old barn etc" - my husband had to point out, I'm not your cousin, we've only met for the first time tonight. His wife was just so embarrassed at that stage and started apologizing to my husband, Paul then turned to his wife and shouted angrily at her, "will you just shut up the fuck up for once!" The restaurant manager then had to come over and say, "guys, please you're upsetting the other people in the restaurant." That's just one example of his drunken behaviour. Oh boy. My hubby said to me afterwards, oh never underestimate how incompetent people can become when they are drunk - even simple things like recognizing faces, they become totally useless.

      It was an awful experience for his wife, of course I wanna maintain a cordial working relationship with Paul and when he's sober, he's perfectly fine (and even a joy to be with when he is sober) but he was so nasty to his wife when he got drunk. I felt bad for her even though it's the first time I met her but I really didn't know what to do? My hubby told me, you can't reason with a drunk, let him sober up and she will deal with him the next morning but don't try to talk about it now. Let's just go home and call it a night. What would you have done Amanda, I didn't want to 'scold' Paul (since I work with him, good grief) but I really wanted to show his wife my support like, I really don't feel she deserves to be treated this way at all. She seemed like a nice person. She isn't as highly educated as myself, my husband or Paul, but the way I see it, you've chosen to marry this woman Paul, she is now your wife, now treat her with the respect a husband should give his wife regardless of how educated or not she is. Sigh. What would you have done?

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    9. Thanks. Growing up I actually found it hard to find partners for group projects because of the quietness with strangers. Recently I had a group project and was able to charm a total stranger to be my partner within 20 minutes of the signup sheet being open. That may not sound like a lot to most people, but it means a lot to me given where I started. I was super happy that day haha.

      What you're describing is the "sunk-cost fallacy." So people like your nephew probably think "I have already sacrificed hours of free time on my grades instead of having fun, these grades have to be magic because of the cost I paid." Unfortunately life is not so sympathetic to reward every sacrifice, but I guess people want to believe they made the right decision even if maybe they made a huge mistake and should have invested resources elsewhere.

      My take is that people don't want to figure out what they have to do. Grades are easy because someone is already telling them "get good grades." Its much harder to figure out you need to speak multiple languages, wear nice suits, and ask people about their lives to succeed as a salesman. And even then that's not the only strategy to sales, and new strategies are probably innovated every day. Same goes for working at a design firm or an engineering firm, etc. It's not so simple as "the answer is in a textbook somewhere, you just need to memorize it and write it down on a test to make money." Lol maybe if your job is helping students cheat on A level exams is that true. That's the huge difference between real life and school, the answer is not in a textbook, but has to be innovated from scratch according to specific situations. Hell I even heard that most of the time the auto-pilot is flying a commercial airplane unless some freak weather condition happens. That's when the human pilots actually "work" and earn their paychecks, because then they have to analyze the situation and come up with solutions that the autopilot can't.

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    10. Hey Alex, I just saw your latest post about the drunken coworker who was rude to his wife. I've only ever seen two people at "work/school" be horrible to their spouses, and the only thing I could think of is that I can't interfere with anyone's marriage, even if it looks like a terrible one. Unless Paul was your friend, you can't really comment. One thing you can do is find a way to contact Paul's wife privately, and maybe say "I'm sorry for the way your husband acted, that night could've gone better. Want to meet up for coffee to make up for it?" But of course you have to gauge whether she would tell Paul or not. But yeah you don't want to antagonize Paul at all to protect yourself. It may not sound ideal, but even small things unrelated to bad marriages can antagonize coworkers.

      This is why people prefer not to get involved personally with their coworkers, because there is no guarantee the other person is someone you'll like or necessarily agree with their personal choices, but you'll still have to work with them anyway. And its difficult to unsee what's behind the curtain. I wish life were more idealistic and people could refuse to work with others on moral grounds, but unfortunately it isn't. Jeezus, Carrie may be a loudmouth but at least she doesn't seem to be rude to her boyfriend.

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    11. Hiya Amanda, you've once again hit the nail on the head with the sunk-cost fallacy. I get that a lot with Singaporeans who refuse to acknowledge their bad choices, especially when it comes to their education. There are those who have spent a lot of time and money on private universities and when I tell them that their degrees aren't worth anything in the working world because of the super low entry requirements there, they get so defensive for no better reason than the fact that they are suffering from the sunk-cost fallacy. Mind you, they may react like my British friend who bought the super expensive diet tea in Morocco, they may go out of their way to do other stuff to help their career prospects, the same way she started working out regularly after she bought the tea, but the lengths they would go to in order to prove that they are right - now that's a very Brian Wong trait.

      I've found my role in the company - I have defined myself. We have loads of other sales agents like young Dave who will find people interested in the products and part of his sales pitch includes the line, "we have this technical expert Alex who is a valuable member of my team, you will find him a joy to work with and you will get all the help and support you need from him throughout the investment process; oh and he speaks (your language - insert client's language here) as well." It's team work, right now I am still learning so I'm happy to help Dave make a lot of money as long as I am useful to the team, I don't mind if his kid is kicking my ass by earning millions. I'm cool with that, my company pays me a respectable salary but it's nothing compared to the millions Dave is earning. In a year at least, I want to be as successful as Dave but right now, I'm happy being on his team and assisting him with his sales. I actually got some great feedback last night - I left the pub last Friday early to go back to the office to do some work but after I left, my colleagues talked about me and this was what someone at the meeting reported back to me. Two points a) they actually think I'm quite funny to joke and laugh with, even though I never get drunk - most British people need alcohol to loosen up but I don't, so they don't care if I don't drink because they can always do that social thing with me and have a laugh anyway. Never underestimate how important it is to build relationships with your work mates. And B), they like my honesty and they feel I'm someone they can trust, again, it may sound obvious but never take that factor for granted in the working world because there are a lot of devious people out there whom you would never trust. On that basis, I feel really happy that this is the feedback I'm getting because it makes me feel like I am genuinely a part of the team now - I've been hardworking, sincere and honest with my team and they like me for being me. 3 months in and I'm happy with the result.

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    12. As for Paul - I got a text this morning and he apologized for his drunken behaviour. Based on what I wrote above, I told him everything was cool with me but I felt he owed his wife and apology - she was trying her best to be nice to my hubby and I and he was giving her a hard time. I did think of just replying, "it's okay don't worry" but I thought, nah I'll be polite but honest about his behaviour. At least he did apologize.

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    13. Mind you, I deal with drunk colleagues at work all the time - this is really no big deal for me and he wasn't disrespectful to me even when he was drunk. However, he was to his wife though and that was uncomfortable to witness. Like I don't care what's going on between the two of you but you should never speak to your wife in that manner in front of friends/colleagues, that's not acceptable on any level. I've no idea what Carrie is like on that front, I did have a meeting with her yesterday and she was on her best behaviour. She didn't cry on my shoulder, we only talked about work - phew. All I had to figure out was to deal with her technical questions rather than her weird behaviour.

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    14. I notice it's usually people who have few choices that tend to suffer from sunk cost fallacy. Pretty sad really. SIM may look like a bad option, but the alternative looks just as risky unless one lands the right entry level job.

      Glad to know you're doing well in your new job and the coworkers like you, including young Dave. Yeah good coworker relationships are so important because most likely you can't ask your boss for all the advice or even small administrative things. Oh well, the millions should come once you get better at landing bigger clients. At least you have more opportunity now compared to your last job. It's okay to get your ass kicked, I really hate when older people refuse to learn from younger people and then complain they don't make as much. There is no better way to make more money than to respect a colleague's skills regardless of age.

      Yeah people should not air their internal quarrels in public. Or even be rude to family members. That's like a social skill people learn at the playground. It's even worse if it's a spouse. Like a friend or sister is somewhat understandable, but a spouse implies a troubled marriage. At least Paul did apologize and didn't turn hostile.

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    15. You say that about SIM, but right now I am having my ass being kicked all day by young Dave (I posted a pic of him on Instagram today on my story - so you can swoon at just how handsome he is as well). Dave did badly for his A levels and didn't even bother with university. Then there's that other client who is 24 and dropped out of university after a few months as he thought, this is a waste of time, I'm wasting my life here doing essays when I could be making so much money. Neither have a degree or any kind of paper qualifications but they're both making over a million a month and they are 23 and 24 years old respectively. My take away from this case study is this: if you're that intelligent and have natural business acumen, then you don't need university. But if you're stupid, then even the best university in the world cannot 'cure' your stupidity. The best case scenario is that you get a degree from somewhere like SIM so you can take pictures at your graduation and claim, "I'm a graduate too!" In both cases, universities serve no purpose whatsoever. Dave doesn't need a degree to make a few millions a month and your SIM graduate has a degree not worth the paper it is printed on. So in conclusion, what's the point of a degree then?

      Oh I spent today working so hard on the marketing materials in Chinese for Dave's Chinese clients - how the hell he managed to get the Chinese clients to speak to him I will never know, he doesn't speak a word of Mandarin but now they're investing their millions and I'm the one on WeChat dealing with their inquiries for the latest marketing campaign. Dave just came over and said, "Alex that looks brilliant." Of course he can't help me as he doesn't speak Chinese, this latest marketing campaign is entirely in Chinese and I'm handling it. But no I'm not resentful, I'm just in awe of him at the moment and am happy to use this as a learning opportunity to grow - I refuse to be one of those older people you have described above, that's exactly why I have a positive attitude and an open mind.

      I got a grovelling apology from Paul today. His excuse was that he mixed pain medication with alcohol and that led to him becoming ridiculously drunk. But I found it scary to be honest, it was like a truth serum cos he said awful, just awful things about his wife in front of her face. Even if he was too drunk to remember all the insulting rude things he said last night, I remember and I'm sure she does as well - I have no idea how the hell he is going to make it up to her after that horrific display of bad behaviour. I told him not to worry about me, it's fine by me but just please be nice to your wife.

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    16. Wow he did badly for his A levels? I guess memorizing answers for a test is not that related to making money haha. In my Brian Wong phase in high school there was this one jock guy in my class who made fun of everyone for doing bad at sports or having bad social skills, which are things he's good at. In return I would call him stupid for scoring Cs in every subject and being the worst at math. But fast forward to today when we are in our mid 20s, he graduated from a school like SIM in ranking, and then started a restaurant business with a buddy from high school who is this unbelievable rich trust fund baby that also did badly in school. Their business is doing well and he is definitely making more than what I'm making right now. School is mostly just a memory test and telling people what they want to hear. Only the second part is that relevant to surviving in the working world.

      I saw the pic of Dave in your insta! He's cute with a sweet smile, but I wouldn't say that handsome. His suit does look very sharp though, and his hair is done quite well. Oh that's nice you get to work on the Chinese marketing campaign using your mandarin proficiency. It should be a good learning experience to find out why these Chinese investors are handing so much money over and how to reach more of them. I know it's not as fun as acting, but your job in sales seems to have some element of challenge to it. At least it allows for creativity, and you're still somewhat a VIP with free room service even if it isn't like your recent trip to the Ukraine.

      Wow he must be really grovelling if he's blaming the medication to deflect focus on what he said. I have no idea how they're gonna make up either, but that's their business. And well maybe they have been on the rocks for a while, even though he invited her over for a double date. At least you settled it though. I just hope they don't ask for another double date anytime soon haha. That would be awkward. Make sure there's no alcohol.

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    17. Oh rich kids have little motivation to study hard for an exam like A levels, unlike poor kids who are desperate to get into a top university so they can have a better future unlike their piss-poor parents. Dave had access to so much money, like he had no motivation to study, nothing to prove but luckily for him, he is born with brains so failing those exams doesn't make him stupid - you can't destroy good brains the same way you can't cure stupidity. Hence universities are useful for poor kids like me who can say, "look I may come from a piss poor working class family but I struggled against the odds and made it to a top university, that shows I have brains and worth giving a chance." Us poor kids need a degree to prove a point but rich kids have nothing to prove. What's their motivation if they are already so rich? What's the point of studying for a degree?

      I thought well he wore a nice suit today, let's take a pic together and I asked if he minded if I put it on Instagram and he said go ahead, so I said okay you're a good sport, let's do this. In my last job I mostly dealt with Taiwanese, Malaysian, Indonesian and Singaporean investors (still Chinese money though) but never touched the China market - this time it's totally China centric which is new but at least I am writing in simplified Chinese instead of traditional Chinese for the Taiwanese market, phew. As if Chinese wasn't hard enough already.

      Oh to be honest, it was 5 years since I had done a major ad campaign so I think it may be a while before I get to act again especially since I am rejecting little bit parts that I don't like (ref: the security guard role, discussed in the piece above). But yes, I am empowered to make a lot of decisions here and there's a lot of hard work ahead of me, but the irony is that I have to be far more creative in this job than acting, when they didn't even trust me to adjust the angle in which I held the can of beer in the shot.

      Good grief, I don't know about how badly mixing pain medication + alcohol can mess with your head but he said some really awful things about his wife. I did some reading about why you ought not mix pain medication + alcohol but it was more about the effect on the liver and possible liver damage. It doesn't say, "it will be a truth serum which will make you tell your wife how much you really hate her and regret marrying her." Holy shit. I just feel so bad for her, she just smiled and pretended she didn't hear the awful things he said about her as she probably didn't know how to deal with it or react in this terrible situation. I'm not thaaat close to Paul and I'm always mindful of the fact that I have to work with him, so let's keep it professional and maybe I won't be double-dating with him and his wife any time soon. Certainly not after what happened last night.

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    18. Oh and last night was the first time I met Paul's wife - whilst I think she's a nice lady, I don't think I know her well enough to reach out to her to say, "hey do you wanna grab a coffee to talk about it?" I think she might be worried, "you heard my husband say all those awful things about me, I am humiliated." Sigh, I don't know what to do. I do feel bad for her, like is this what happens when a working class woman marries a richer man with a good job?

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    19. Okay Dave sounds a lot like some very rich people I grew up with who could care less about school grades. I suppose its nothing special then. It makes me wonder why I cared so much? Oh yeah, because I have a nouveau riche Asian dad who gives a huge shit. It sounds mostly like an Asian thing to care about grades. Reminds me of the Korean drama "Sky Castle" about some competitive rich Korean housewives who take parenting to the extreme to hire expensive tutors to get their kids into Seoul National University.

      Haha there is a lot of Chinese money in Southeast Asia. The ethnic Chinese love investing, especially in property or stocks. Though I am surprised that Chinese clients want to invest in a London office instead of a Shanghai or Hong Kong office. Unless London is just that special for finance that it attracts people from all over.

      Hahaha you were basically treated like a puppet for a few days in that commercial, though at least you were well-paid. When you think of it being a popstar is not much different. Many popstars don't even write their own songs, choreograph their own dance moves, or even pick their own clothes. They are just voices that a songwriter plays like an instrument getting it to hit all the right notes. But of course popstars make tonnes of money and are treated like super VIPs. I don't think Madonna or Katy Perry are complaining too much about their lives.

      When you mentioned Paul's wife wasn't that well educated, I suspected it was a situation of someone poorer marrying someone richer because I assume Paul is also making good money. But that also implies that maybe Paul's wife is scared to leave if she feels like she can't do any better than Paul, though divorce can pay a lot (unless a prenup was signed). We don't know the whole story, but what Paul did was extremely rude to say in public. I always feel sad when I see this kind of power dynamic in any straight relationship, especially when the woman feels so powerless. Growing up my Dad always told me to study hard and support myself financially because he would hate to see me marry and depend on a jerk like Paul.

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    20. Yeah if your daddy is worth an insane amount of money, I think you might be tempted to look at your maths teacher and think, you're an idiot compared to my daddy, why should I bother with my maths homework? But when you come from a poor family like me, you are compelled to take education so much more seriously because that represents your ticket out of poverty and many Asians believe in that. But as for why rich kids who are already sitting on a mountain of wealth even bother studying? Who knows - you tell me. Dave didn't bother but guess what? It doesn't matter. It goes back to what I said: if you're naturally smart, you don't need a degree. If you're stupid, then no university in the world can cure that stupidity. So either way, it makes no difference whether or not you go to university or not.

      Xi Jinping is the reason why we're doing fantastic business with the mainland Chinese. Oh please, it's got nothing to do with feeling comfortable with a Chinese face, that's the kind of mindset that poor people like my parents would have. We're dealing with the crazy rich Chinese who have millions, even billions to invest and they don't suffer from that mindset at all. The Chinese partner that we deal with are London based but their entire team are from China and the political situation is that Xi Jinping is cracking down on corruption amongst the rich, because most of the rich in China get that rich through corruption. However, this is a really stupid messy situation in China now. In China, if you're accused of the crime of corruption, you're fucked. In 99% of cases, you'll be jailed and beaten up until you sign a confession. They'll put a gun to your head and say, "sign it or else I'll jail your parents, your children, your siblings and everyone you care about." The local prosecutors have a quota to fill, like "catch 500 corrupt rich people by December or else you will be trialed for corruption yourself. Hurry up, it's already October." So once you appear on their radar, you get the fuck out of China with your money as soon as possible and you take your family with you. Oh you have no idea just how corrupt China is. So rich people in China, even those who are 100% honest and not corrupt are so worried now because if their names appears on some prosecutors' name list as possible rich people to investigate for corruption, they have to literally get the fuck out of China on the next flight they can get on or face a life time in jail, sometimes even the death sentence. The irony is that Xi Jinping's family is one of the richest in not just China but the world - it's like a mafia but the Chinese state, the Chinese government runs the mafia in China. Part 2 coming up below.

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    21. So that's the situation now, trying to get rid of corruption may seem like a noble aim but when the system dealing with corruption is so fucking corrupt it is the root cause of the problem, it just leads to rich people thinking, "I may be a respectable businessman today, but I could be thrown in a jail cell tomorrow just because someone decides they want to investigate my wealth." There's no transparency, it's as opaque as shit because the people doing the investigating are under huge pressures to meet quotas, so innocent people get convicted and the more that happens, the faster rich people wanna get the fuck out of China ASAP. It's horrible of course, because some of these rich people are completely innocent, good people but they're fearing for their lives and worried about their families despite having done absolutely nothing wrong. They never got even a speeding ticket or a parking ticket in their lives before but they are hounded out of China simply for being rich in Xi Jinping's China.

      So what are we doing? We're taking advantage of this horrific situation in China. Mind you, it affects only like the top 1% of Chinese people, the richest 1% so for the 99% of ordinary Chinese citizens, life goes on as before and they don't notice the top 1% panicking and getting out of China. We have an investment visa programme in the UK - so you invest anything between £2m to £10m and you are put on a fast track to citizenship. The more you invest, the faster that escalator towards citizenship moves. If you invest £10m, it's super quick and you don't even need to speak a word of English - the passport is delivered to you in record time, then you can renounce your China citizenship and bring your family to the UK as a British citizen, so you can walk down the street without having to look over your shoulder and simply live in peace here given that you're not going to be arrested for simply being rich in the UK. This is the mess that China is in right now and there's a lovely saying in Chinese to describe this situation: 趁火打劫 - it literally means committing a robbery during a fire, ie. oh no there's a shop on fire, everyone rushes forward to help put out the fire but you're there with no intention to help, you're just going to loot the shop and grab whatever you can get away with whilst there's chaos with the fire burning. Yeah, that's what we're doing. There's a massive fire going on with the Chinese rich elite at the moment and we're profiting from the situation by offering them British passports and it's literally, just give us your millions and we'll take care of everything. That's why we're getting so much money from China - credit to Dave who doesn't speak a word of Chinese and I'm learning so quickly, I'm useful to the team as the only Chinese person in the company of course, but it's amazing how Dave tapped into this (and not me). See what I mean about Dave being so ridiculously brilliant I am both in awe and intimidated by his 23 year old brains?

      As for Paul and his life, I'm just going to let them sort things out for a while, I'm not intending to ask them out for a double date anytime soon, I'm so busy anyway.

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    22. Hmm, I guess only rich kids with parents who care a lot about "legacy" are pushed to get good grades. These are the kids who get into Harvard or Stanford and can afford to pay 50k usd/year in tuition money. Their parents not only want them to make just as many millions as they do, but grow that money into billions. I guess my Dad was hoping that at least one of his kids would become richer than he was if he just invested heavily in their education. His thinking goes that he grew up poor and had very little formal education, yet he managed to become a millionaire in his 40s. So I suppose he thought with enough parental investment one of his kids could work at Wallstreet in their 20s and have an even better career path than he did.

      Oh wow that is a horrible situation indeed. It reminds me of the downfall of the Roman republic, where whenever the republic was short on money they'd just make up some corruption charges against a random rich person, execute them, then seize their wealth. People don't change after 2000 years I suppose haha. I know in the US we have a permanent residency for investment program, but the number of permanent residencies available per year is limited, and the amount you can invest is capped at $500k usd. This means adding more money doesn't allow you to jump the queue. But there are other ways to immigrate, like the extraordinary talent visa which has no quota. Wow that is a really good deal the UK is offering these rich Chinese people, they can literally buy a passport using their millions. Did Dave really come up with this lead on his own? If yes he is an extraordinary young man and its an amazing opportunity to learn from him.

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    23. Well Amanda, there was a link between having a good degree from Harvard/Stanford or Oxford/Cambridge and making millions as a result of that degree. However, that link has been broken in the modern world, in 2021, because universities simply cannot keep up with the next big thing that is happening and it is the whiz kids who are developing next generation technology who are leading the way - these whiz kids have probably come up with their own prototypes before they turned 18 whereas the average university student who turns up at university and says, "please teach me how to become an engineer" is not going to become a leader, at best the university can train the average student to become a good follower, one of these smarter working class people who can be trained to follow complex instructions. Thus it is more a vanity thing for these people, "I went to Harvard, my father went to Harvard and my son will do the same because it's what we do in my family." However, the link between a Harvard or Oxford degree and making millions has been really diminished in the modern age as a result of the huge advancements in technology and thus you have 23 year old Dave kicking my ass and me assisting him at the office with his Chinese clients who are investing millions.

      The situation in China is horrific - the aim is noble of course, let's get rid of corruption once and for all but the implementation of the policy is nothing short of a catastrophe, a total car crash. If the system investing corruption is so freaking corrupt to begin with, well how it is supposed to give you the results you need to get rid of corruption? That's why in democracy, we have checks and balances, you can vote out a corrupt government that has let you down but in China, there are zero checks in the communist system and hence it is run like a mafia in the total absence of democratic elections to get rid of people who have done horrible things but somehow remain in power. The rich in China are terrified of being investigated even if they have done absolutely nothing wrong, that's why we're taking advantage of this situation and letting them buy a British passport - that's their ticket out of China and we welcome that cash injection into our economy. It's a win win situation, the UK needs the investment, these rich Chinese people need a place to escape to. I had been dealing with international investors taking this route in my previous job (remember this is available to anyone wishing to buy a UK passport, not just the Chinese - it just happens to be super popular with the rich Chinese now because of the political situation there). Dave did come up with the lead and managed to convince one of the biggest players in this industry to work with the company, so they're his client and he's making an INSANE mount of money dealing with the Chinese - on top of all that, he's 23 and doesn't speak a word of Mandarin. Like seriously Amanda, I'm having my ass kicked by a 23 year old everyday at work - he's super nice to me though cos he know he needs my help with the Chinese clients as I'm the only Mandarin-speaking guy in the company and I get along super well with his counterparts in the Chinese company we work with who are bringing all of these Chinese investors buying a UK passport.

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    24. Hmm I guess its a vanity thing for a rich kid to study super hard to get into Harvard/Stanford or Oxbridge. I guess the only real advantage to attending Harvard is if you're from a poor family and need the connections and a full-scholarship. Growing up my dad did mention if I needed funding for any invention/business idea, he knew how to get it because he has a good relationship with the banks. But if a poor but brilliant 18 year old had some novel invention, they probably can't come up with $50k usd in patenting fees unless they went to Harvard and Harvard paid the money in exchange for a share of the licensing rights. Talent can't operate without capital, and I guess that's what universities do, act as investors into human talent. Alex, would you say your life would have turned out much differently if you went to a university much lower ranked than UCL in the league tables?

      Also... there could be another reason to a rich family wanting their child to attend Harvard. It could simply just be 4 years of partying with other rich kids, and the richest schools have the best sports and dining facilities. Also uni is a good place to find a partner to marry.

      I'm just thinking why isn't China freaking out about the capital outflow when rich people are persecuted? That's money that could've gone into Chinese businesses and jobs, that is now going into UK businesses and jobs instead. But then again like you said there are no checks and balances, which means the Chinese government can fuck up and there are no consequences for it. Wow Dave is a genius, with that kind of thinking he can teach a class on attracting rich clients at Oxbridge without even needing a PhD. Btw Dave is smart to be nice to everyone. Even if he's killing it, there is no benefit to being an arrogant prick except maybe a short high of stroking his own ego. He would always benefit more by being nice, like having your help speaking Mandarin. But then again Dave being nice doesn't surprise me. It seems in sales everyone has to have good social skills by default.

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    25. Rich people can show off having a nice degree from a top university but it's more like a personal challenge rather than a desperate means to access better education, better training to support your family. I know this super rich lawyer who for some reason wanted to learn gymnastics - so he paid one of my gymnastics buddies who happens to be a brilliant ex-gymnast and a fantastic gymnastics coach to teach him. He's paying a lot for these personal lessons and he's serious about it, he's never going to go to the next Olympics or anything like that, but he wants to become good at gymnastics and is willing to invest good money to make it happen. The way I see it, I think yeah why not? Just because he's seriously rich doesn't mean he can't take on personal challenges like that and want to do extremely well when setting himself ambitious goals. Well some rich people treat their studies the same way, they know they're smart so they challenge themselves to do well because it's like a computer game you know you're good at and you just wanna beat your own high score. But for poor people, it's quite different of course: it's not a game, it's a life-changing result if you do well enough to get into a good university and that promises the opportunity to get a good job and become richer than your parents. Mess that up and you'll be as poor as your parents. It's not a game.

      I don't think it's the ranking of my university that made that much difference to me - firstly, being in London opened my eyes to the working world and I learnt more outside the classroom than actually in the classroom whilst at UCL. Given that I ended up in sales which is totally unrelated to my degree, I am one of those people who didn't use my degree at all in my career. Since you asked a hypothetical question, I suppose I can only guess what might have happened if I was bumped down to a university much lower down the league table, I don't think it would have made any difference really because nobody actually asked to look at my degree once. Remember the magic diet tea that requires you to exercise a lot, avoid oily foods, sweet treats and eat more fruit/veg? Yeah, that degree was the magic diet tea - no, it was actually all those other things that made the difference was everything else I was doing. The UCL degree/magic tea made absolutely no difference at all.

      As for finding a partner to marry, that would be something from a generation or two ago. I think young people have moved all their socializing online and finding love has totally moved online. If you're a poor kid looking for a rich spouse, yeah that's what you do. But if you're a rich kid, then you're a lot more relaxed. I look at the two guys I'm working with (ie. the 23 and 24 year olds raking in millions), neither are desperate to say, "I must marry someone equally rich so I must go to Harvard to find a rich girlfriend." Amanda, they're making enough money to support a small town in Africa I swear if they're raking in that many millions a month - hence for them, they're actually super laid back about the issue of love. They're focused on work right now but "she must be from a rich family" is not actually a criteria for them given they are not dependent on the future wife for money nor do they have any qualms about marrying someone poorer and supporting her if necessary. I know some rich parents will never let their children marry someone from a poor family but times are changing.

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    26. As for the China situation, no the capital outflow isn't too bad - a lot of laws have been enacted to make it very hard for Chinese people to take their money out of China. So if you're a successful businessman, then your wealth is tied up in ownership of the production facilities, so you may own land, factories, property and the money you make is dependent on the factory you run being profitable. So you can physically get on a plane, land in London, get a British passport and never set foot in China again but how are you going to take your sesame oil factory out of Chongqing with you to England? So even if these people leave China, they find it very hard to take a significant portion of their wealth with them - the wealth will probably be passed onto someone close to them in China but the bottom line is that much of the wealth stays in China even if the rich person moves abroad for good. So there's hardly any capital outflow if the CEO of the successful sesame oil company leaves China as long as the sesame oil company keeps on operating. They amount of money they invest in the UK is a drop in the ocean compared to the wealth they are leaving behind in China actually, oh the stories I can tell you about people like that who left behind massive business empires. These people are businessmen, they left their businesses behind and it is heartbreaking for them to do so especially if they built up the business from nothing. But this affects the top 1% so the other 99% of China just would just roll their eyes and think, oooh multi-billionaire tycoon is forced to move to London and live in a luxury mansion in Knightsbridge? Why do I find it hard to feel sorry for him? For the employees of that sesame oil factory, life just goes on as before, nothing changes. It's a mess really, but we're making a lot of money as a result of this situation in China.

      I don't believe you can teach business acumen. It's the same way I can't teach a guy how to chat up a stranger in a bar or even strike up a conversation with a stranger at a business event. These are skills which are classed under 'soft skills' or social skills - people like Dave have business acumen and social skills oozing from every pore in his body whilst copycats like me observe carefully and for me, it's a learned response and I copy what people like Dave do. Nobody taught me, I figured it out for myself. I think some things in life are impossible to teach others, but those who really wanna learn can always figure it out for themselves if they realize holy shit this is a very useful skill to have.

      As for Dave being so nice to me, my father was worried that working with richer, more successful people than me would mean that they would automatically look down on me and bully me. The fact that he could make such an assumption is a reflection on his low self-esteem: after all, he was just a humble primary school teacher and he must have had loads of people look down on him. Don't forget, his big brother was a crazy rich multi-millionaire tycoon and my father dealt with the situation by pretending that his older brother never existed. The concept of me building a good relationship with these rich, successful people by becoming super useful to them (like Dave and his Chinese clients - go figure) is foreign to my father. Then again, my father has no rich friends and the one really rich person in his life his big brother, he deliberately chose to ignore his brother as he couldn't deal with his own feelings about being so much poorer. So he makes these ridiculous assumptions that rich people will always look down on him and mock him as a reason to avoid rich people - thus when I tell him about how people like Dave are super nice to me, he can't get his mind around it.

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    27. As for Dave teaching a course in a top university about business - can I remind you that this guy earns a few million dollars a month? Which university is going to be able to pay him that much money to teach? I'm sure you're at a good university Amanda with decent teaching staff but what they earn in a month, Dave could earn in a few hours in the morning before going to the local restaurant for a long lunch and then not return to the office after he gets drunk by 2 pm (whilst I'm in the office preparing his marketing material in Chinese). No, the university will NEVER be able to justify paying Dave a figure like 5 million dollars a month to teach a business course at the university, there just isn't enough money in the university system to justify that kind of salary, ever. So if Dave is presented with a salary like $200,000 a year to teach in a university he'll be like, are you fucking joking? Do you know how much I earn in a year and this represents a tiny fraction of what I can make in the world of banking? That's why universities will never get teaching staff like Dave there and you end up with a bunch of losers who think that $200,000 a year is a lot of money for them teaching these business courses. That's why I am very anti-universities when it comes to teaching business acumen.

      Anyway back to Dave and the team being nice to me, my father said that even if they were nice to me in front of me, secretly behind my back they're looking down on me for being poor. Now firstly, I'm not poor, excuse me, my company is paying me a very respectable salary. Secondly, Paul (yup, Paul who got drunk and was rude to his wife) went out with my directors and he told me that they only said super nice things about me being such a hardworking, good addition to the team. No gay jokes, no racist jokes, they genuinely like me - I realize that's contingent on me being valuable to the team such as in handling Dave's Chinese clients, but there's definitely no element of them looking down on me. So my father is totally wrong, I do know how to build a relationship with these people.

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    28. Hmm I guess I also saw grades as a game at one point, I was bribed with material goods by my dad to do well. But when my dad said things like "if you need a job, I'll call my client who works at X company to give you job", it didn't make me see any correlation between grades and success at all. Actually at work someone was recently fired due to poor performance, and my boss was like "but he had such a good GPA in undergrad... What went wrong?!" Well Dave has a bad GPA from high school and no degree, yet he's way more successful at executing new projects than many people with degrees and high GPAs. But my boss is acting like the Singaporean girl who was sad her German boss couldn't care less about her GPA when hiring her.

      Lol by that token why is your nephew even studying so hard then? Maybe engineering is different, but even then from my story of the coworker who was just fired, apparently having an engineering degree with a high GPA doesn't mean one will succeed at real world engineering projects. I've even heard stories of people who studied coding for 6 months and got a software engineering job without any computer science degree. They were just talented at programming and had the willpower to focus on learning very fast in a short time. Sometimes you just need to practice something and pray you have enough talent to get high skilled enough to make money.

      My take is that rich people don't like your father not because he's poor, but because he has bad social skills and work ethic in general. I don't think your father is even liked by other poor people in his social class. Its just that with poor or poorer people your father feels he is on more even ground with respect to material possessions, even if not intangible possessions (wit, charisma, skillfulness, etc.). Many rich people like you Alex, not because they specifically like people who grew up working class, but because you are polite and kind, and have interesting hobbies and stories to tell.

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    29. Sorry one last point about Dave 'teaching' others to do what he does - that's like asking a top gymnast like Simone Biles to teach you how to do her kind of gymnastics. She can tell you exactly what she does in great detail, "I do a round off onto the spring board, a back handspring onto the vaulting table, then a two and a half back somersaults in piked position before landing - I'm the only woman in the world who has ever successfully competed this vault." And imagine if I turned to you Amanda and said, "okay Amanda, now you know what Simone Biles did, I want you to do the same thing." Of course you can't do what Biles did even if you knew exactly what she did because you don't have the same skills. If it was that easy to impart skills like that, then everyone would be doing difficult gymnastics and Biles wouldn't be special. If it was that easy to do what Dave is doing, then everyone would be making 5 million dollars a month at the age of 23. The fact is even if he does tell you exactly what he does, can he teach you how to do it? That'll be like expecting you to do the same gymnastics as Simone Biles after she gives you a couple of lessons - no doubt, she may be able to teach you a few cool tricks but how far you go in gymnastics depends on your talent, not how good your teacher is. Likewise in the world of business, Dave can't give someone with no talent the kind of business acumen they are lacking - there are just some things in the world that no teacher in the world can possibly teach.

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    30. And in response to your latest post Amanda, my nephew is studying hard for a simple reason: each time he does well in his exams (it happens sometimes), the whole family rejoices and gives him approval as if he is some kinda hero and naturally, as a child, he liked that. Children are naturally approval seeking. Remember my nephew is autistic, he has virtually no social skills so he doesn't know how to handle even the most basic social situations to try to build rapport with even someone like me - I am the one who has to take all the initiatives to help him out but even when given the few opportunities to respond, he makes poor choices when it comes to his social skills (not going into detail here but trust me, there are times I just shake my head in disappointment with his social skills). Thus instances when he gets genuine approval from his friends and family are rare to the point whereby they become extremely special to him - someone like Dave will know how to go up to an auntie, strike up a conversation and establish rapport with her just like that without ever talking about his grades at school. Expecting my nephew to do that is like asking you to do the gymnastics of Simone Biles - he lacks the talent to be able to pull that off, given his inability with social skills. So it's not a question of my nephew being poor, but it's simply that he has had so few occasions in his life when he was genuinely adored and praised for his efforts and all that tended to revolve around him achieving very good results in exams. So that's why he is studying so freaking hard now - I just hope he'll do better in his other subjects as he is hopeless at economics despite my best efforts. I tried, I have failed, I should have intervened a lot sooner.

      People like my father with very, very poor social skills are always finding excuses and will always blame others rather than take any responsibility when social interactions go wrong - that's why my father has always assumed that rich people look down on poor people like him, that's why he conveniently ignores the fact that the social interaction may have gone wrong as a result of his terrible social skills, but that's just how a highly autistic person would view the world. It is tragic, really and that's why I'm determined to avoid that by always accepting responsibility when things go wrong because that gives me a chance to learn from the experience, even if it is a bad one.

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    31. Hmm, well I may not be able to do what Simone Biles and Dave do immediately, but I could write down what they do and figure out the underlying theory behind it. With Simone that would be which muscle groups were active and what forces were applied where(I'm a scientist after all). With Dave it would be analyzing the political situation in China and how that influences potential investors. But then again nobody can teach me how to do that analysis either. So information or data can be useful, but only insofar as it can be analyzed by the person using it. Similarly I used to wonder why are rich people not as scared of debt as poor people. Banks treat rich people like my dad very nicely by offering them loans with lower interest rates than the average person. Then I realized it's because a loan in the hands of a rich person is a more sound investment than a poor person. The rich person can easily turn $50k into $60k in a year because of their proven track record of making money from a pile of money, which is something the average person doesn't know how to do.

      I kinda feel sad for your nephew. Because if he's studying for attention, that only works up to a certain age. It would suck if he was 22 with a good degree and a high GPA but still very little friends or much of a social life. He could experience sunk cost fallacy and think "I studied so hard, why don't people praise me anymore? Do I even like engineering?" If he wants attention he should be doing what you did and trying his best to get along with others better, not study his ass off for A levels.

      I suppose your dad is almost 80 years old, so even after 8 decades he still blames others if a social interaction goes wrong. That sounds very miserable but what can you do? A lot of things can be taught, but only if a student is willing to learn.

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    32. Well Amanda, allow me to compare what you've described to a sports commentator - when we watch the Olympics, there's usually a commentator to help bridge the gap between the complexity of what Biles is doing and a viewer who may know nothing about the sport and is watching gymnastics for the very first time. I know enough to explain to a viewer what Biles is doing but can I do what she does? No. Can the viewer then do what Biles is doing based on my technical explanation? Again, the answer is no. At best, we can make sense of what Biles and Dave are doing - we can analyze it till the cows come home but can we do what they do? The answer is still a no, there's just no way we can do it. So that's why I say even if we remove the issue of money (no university in the world can afford to pay Dave $5 million a month) and Dave consents to teach the course, it will be a totally pointless exercise akin to a sports commentator explaining to a viewer what Biles is doing. You've got to work with what you've got, you're given a certain set of talents and skills and that's it - Biles cannot teach you how to be a good gymnast if you simply weren't born with the requisite talent and Dave can't teach you how to sell if it's not in your skill set. Phenomenal people like Biles and Dave are born with a talent that makes that totally unique and it's really unrealistic to even expect them to pass it onto a third party by simply asking them, "teach me to do what you do", like how? Even if they are willing to teach you, you can't learn what they do.

      Oh my nephew is not a straight A student. Good grief. That's why pursuing approval by studying hard is a really bad idea for him - I did an economics exam question with him yesterday and he scored 2/10 which is an F grade. If that's how he's scoring, he's better off trying something totally different to gain approval but don't forget, he's totally autistic - he has no social skills. He has no friends, he doesn't know how to make friends, little things like talking to strangers and establish rapport is just totally impossible for him. I was at the gym this afternoon and I made three friends simply by chatting to them - my nephew doesn't know how to do that (ie. making friends by engaging people in casual conversation).

      My dad's 83 and thus I've long given up on him.

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    33. Hey Alex, I agree that you cannot teach talent, but you can certainly develop talent faster if it's already there through building on someone else' work. Simone Biles didn't coach herself after all, she had many coaches throughout her career. But of course someone without talent would misconstrue that as "see, teaching works for EVERYONE." Well it does, but to different degrees depending on the person. As they say, "your mileage may vary." Btw when you said no university could pay young Dave 5 million a month to teach, that's exactly why I think MBAs are a waste of time. I would never pay for an MBA, at least my PhD is free thank god.

      Btw I just replied to Putty's post below, I think he's a wonderful young person that we need more of in Singapore. My heart sank when NUS/NTU rejected him because of bad A levels despite his entrepreneurial background. If Putty was born in the UK or the US he would be much more appreciated for his entrepreneurial spirit than derided for his shortcomings on exams. It also makes me think that young Dave probably also wouldn't be appreciated in Singapore either because he has no qualifications.

      Also, from my experience in Singaporean academia, there is a severe lack of business spirit to develop some novel idea into an useful product that can become a multinational company. That's why we don't see a Singaporean Apple or Google, because they don't value people like Putty who has the talent to take care of the business side of things even if they struggle in A level maths. There are many students in Sg who are great with science/math but are shit at business who could use a friend like Putty. This reminds me of the time I saw a professor try to woo a potential investor to license his patent, and all the wooing was done through email instead of inviting this investor on campus for a demonstration or even to have a nice dinner to discuss. Surprise surprise, the investor lost interest.

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    34. Hi Amanda, yes it is true that Biles had a few coaches along the way who were instrumental in helping her become the gymnast she is today but she knew she had a one in a billion talent, she then added an insane amount of hard work - but if you don't have that kind of talent and you still put in as much hard work, you end up with someone like me. I was a pretty good gymnast who was a 3 time national champion but there was no way I was ever going to go to the Olympics to challenge for a medal. No I just was not talented enough - I was at the gym this afternoon and I'm just grateful I was at least talented enough to learn enough cool stuff to really enjoy this sport. As for MBAs being a total waste of time, I can't agree more. That's why I'm so done with formal education even though I am always learning new stuff all the time such as teaching myself yet another new language, but I'm done with relying on a teacher.

      Putty doesn't need to go to university - he needs to become the next Dave. He will never fit the Singaporean mould of the model Singaporean student, he is different so why not just go all out and be different? If he finds Singapore too restrictive when it comes to tolerating someone quite different, then he needs to come to London and work with someone like Dave.

      I have had two deals fall apart already with Singaporeans and I just wanted to scream "I will never never never ever work with Singaporeans ever again. They have NO SOCIAL SKILLS." Both deals fell apart for the same reason: they have good projects that need funding, I found them investors from Europe and they don't dare to get on a Zoom/Skype call to chat about it, requesting that all questions be put on email instead so they can treat it like an exam, cos they fucking love being students answering questions like that. They completely failed to try to establish any kind of rapport with the investors and guess what? The Europeans found the Singaporeans too fucking weird and backed off. The first time it happened, I thought I should have put my foot down and told the Singaporeans clearly, "you wanna get European investments you jolly well do as I say as I know how these white people work. You do it my way or I pull the plug." The second time it happened, I made that very threat and guess what? The Singaporeans pulled the plug when I made that threat - they would rather forgo the large pot of money than to be taken out of their comfort zone. Anyway, screw them. The last deal I brokered was between two English parties - they went out and got very drunk together and that's the way business is done in the West.

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    35. Yeah you do need a one in a billion talent to be an Olympian, but also you do need capital investment. The thing about education is that if everyone has the same education then we can see talent win out. But if there are uneven levels of education then a poor but brilliant student could lose out to a mediocre but rich student. Btw I would definitely try to work under someone like young Dave rather than get an MBA. As long as you're in the right job that allows you to take on new and exciting projects, there is no need to go back to school to learn things. Like jeezus your latest project trying to woo these Chinese investors and rake in millions is a thousand times better compared to what is taught in an MBA.

      Yeah Putty seems like he's got his own thing going. Sadly though, I don't think there is much job opportunities in SG for people like him. I have a cousin who works at Facebook, and he said their most recent batch of interns all came from NTU and had very high GPAs. I guess that's just the people they look for so they don't give much chances to people with bad grades. In the US, UK, or Germany nobody would give a shit about A levels and would go "wow!" at the crypto investing on Putty's CV.

      What the fuck? Email questions? This is millions of dollars we're talking about! That doesn't work on Western people, or even Chinese people who love going out drinking to discuss deals. And why is a Zoom/Skype call so difficult? They literally don't have to leave the office to do that! Omg just don't ever work with Singaporeans again if they won't listen to you about wooing foreign investors. Nothing against Singaporeans, but you'll be wasting your time trying to close a deal with a 1% chance of succeeding, and get no commission. Might as well work with the British or even the Chinese who love drinking.

      Btw I actually grew up watching my Dad close huge deals with international clients. He would first start with a phone call, say good morning/afternoon/night, then ask the client about where they currently are in the world and try to say something interesting about that place. Then he'd shift to the business talk, and then invite the client to fly in or offer to fly there. If the client was coming to our city, then he'd put on a suit, grab the Mercedes Benz, and pick them up at the airport or their hotel before driving to a fancy restaurant, where they'd discuss more business. I have no idea why Singaporeans are so different in this regard. So many rich people from different countries expect to be given the VIP treatment by a good host before opening their wallets haha.

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    37. And when the Chinese investors pour their millions into British investments (offered & organized by our company) to qualify for their investment visa and fast track to UK citizenship, Dave gets his cut of all those millions - that's why he is making so much money. Like seriously, it is insane and he doesn't even speak Chinese. That's why I think Putty is totally barking up the wrong tree because he doesn't have the right role models in Singapore, but I'll address him in a separate post below and answer those questions. You're right in saying that Singapore wouldn't have the right opportunities for someone like that as he is nothing like his peers at all (which is a good thing).

      You see, I'm like your dad when it comes to doing business, I pretty much follow the same model and hence I'm quite used to all of these face to face meetings, socializing and establishing rapport before even asking for the business. One of the guys I dealt with on my most recent deals loves talking about himself and once he spent ages talking to me about how he fell out with his previous business partner, I sat there for an hour pretending to be interested and sympathetic - but he walked away from that saying "Alex is a wonderful guy I can trust", then we ended up doing business together. So that hour of being super nice to him really paid off in the long run, but Singaporeans rarely understand this process.

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    38. Y'know I used to have the same mindset of "get into uni and network", but I wasn't looking at NUS/NTU to do that, instead I was looking at Stanford or Harvard. Also I think it's so much easier and more useful to network with working adults than clueless students. I've met all manner of cool people whilst working in Sg than I did when studying undergrad. Through my boardgame and fencing hobbies and even just going to random meetups on meetup.com I managed to meet, a US embassy worker, a banker, a guy with a PhD from Cambridge university, a woman who works at Google, and various other professionals with great CVs. If I wasn't going to the US to get a PhD maybe I should've exploited the social connections in banking and software more to land myself a cushy finance/tech job. I think if Putty wants to network he should invest in 1 or 2 hobbies like he said, and pick hobbies that young well paid professionals are likely to flock to.

      Yes socializing is so important in high end business. But most working class or even middle class jobs don't include this. I mean I don't know anything about my boss's personal life, but I think if I was in my dad's career I'd have to know something about my clients' life. Though it's a lot easier to get to know people you won't see again or only see once a year or every few months. Oh you did the right thing by sitting there and listening. That person might feel regretful for over sharing but appreciate you anyway for bearing with them. I think Singaporeans don't understand that process because they don't usually encounter people who are worth the time and effort. I mean when you think of it low end sales mostly consists of price and features which can be negotiated over email, no personal connection necessary. But high end sales also includes trust between two parties, an investor has to know that this person is competent and won't waste their money. Also high end business connections are more long term, someone you met yesterday could be useful 2 years from now. That kind of metric is much more complex to evaluate than for example the color/shape of mangoes at a supermarket.

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    39. Imagine if you'd met me during my university days, I would have some ideas about what I would like to do but had no concrete plans; it was upon graduation that I desperately started applying for jobs and taking the first one that came along. When it came to planning for my entry into the working world, it was nothing short of a car crash if I may be totally honest. I'm a lot more successful today but here's the thing: am I still in touch with people from my university days? No not at all, I kept in touch in a handful of them but my most important contacts are people I have met more recently whom I know are directly relevant to what I do today, rather than random people I studied with back in the late 1990s. I've lost touch with them and I've made no effort to track them down. At best, networking at university is kissing a lot of frogs and hoping that one of them will turn into a prince - whereas if you network with people who have already proven themselves, then you're going around kissing princes not frogs. I had tea with this Singaporean scientist Dr Ong who is a super successful entrepreneur based in London and he is a prince, not a frog. He has a product that has gone through one round of seed funding now they're seeking round 2 to expand production, in meeting the brilliant Dr Ong, I'm networking with a prince, not a frog.

      I think the whole thing about networking at university comes out of the sunk cost fallacy, ie. "if I am gonna have to spend 3 or 4 years at university, I may as well start identifying the good things that may come out of the experience, such as the possibility that one of these friends I make at university may become super successful one day and turn into an important contact in 20 years". Yeah right. Kissing frogs anyone? And here's the harsh reality - I did have a former classmate back from VJC in Singapore (my A level days) who did turn out to be super successful and famous. I contacted her on Facebook and got radio silence, she ignored me. She probably saw the message and thought either I can't remember him or I can't be bothered to reply, I'm not interested in speaking to him. So I gave up and didn't pursue it, but such is the very real possibility of a situation like that happening - so what if one of your former classmates become successful? I got snubbed by her, she was under no obligation at all to talk to me today, now she is such a mega-successful big star.

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    40. Yeah come to think of it there doesn't seem to be much special about university except to network with people with good grades rather than people with bad grades who are taken to be unsuccessful (e.g blue collar workers). But someone like young Dave or even myself already have connections to successful people from our parents, and it is not hard to find successful people to talk through from social clubs like gymnastics, boardgames, etc. It's just that maybe working class people don't have access to expensive hobbies or parents with connections. So in that sense university is only useful for networking if you really have exhausted all other options. But most young people don't try other options because nobody talks about them. Putty is the exception in buying crypto at such a young age.

      Yeah I have tried contacting alumni on LinkedIn and most just ignore me. I guess networking with classmates is overrated. Why did we even go to uni then aside from doing well on A levels and our parents telling us to go? I guess for me I wanted to learn about quantum physics because I'd like to be someone like Dr. Ong one day. But most people just want to make money, and going through uni is just one way to get there.

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    41. The thing is Amanda, I know I went to school & university with loads of bright kids as I always only went to the best schools + universities. But I look at the cohort of former classmates - some are super successful and crazy rich today, others are struggling to make ends meet. It goes to show that there is little correlation between having good grades (that granted them access to the top schools/universities) and actually becoming rich & successful as an adult. Hence I think it's far better to seek princes to network with than to try to kiss loads of frogs. It's all about choosing the most efficient route which gets you the most success in as little time as possible. That's why people like me would never walk into a casino and gamble because so much of that involves luck, I rather use my knowledge to make money via clever investments which require brains and skills.

      As yeah my former classmate who is super successful in Singapore today is Michelle and she ignored my messages, just didn't reply. I was disappointed - I wanted no more than to be able to reconnect with her since we were friends and we did get along really well back in the day. But I don't blame her for ignoring me, I've been approached by so many other former classmates whom I have chosen to ignore as well so I'd rather focus on people to got to know more recently and building my relationships with them rather than desperately trying to figure out which one of my former classmates had become super successful today.

      Google 'Dr Faii Ong' and Gyrogear.

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    42. Yeah like you told me about one of your Raffles batchmates who still lives with his parents in his mid 40s. That guy must've scored brilliantly on his O levels and A levels, yet this is how he ended up. And yeah I hate gambling too. Getting something for nothing also means losing something for nothing too.

      Reaching out to acquaintances whom we've lost touch is always hard. I recently reached out to an old friend I didn't speak to for 3 years, and found out he got divorced and remarried in that time, and also switched jobs. But he didn't want to recontinue the friendship. I felt sad but it's fine, I have more new people I've yet to befriend.

      I googled Dr. Faii Ong expecting a successful old man, only to find he is only 31! That's only a few years older than me. Holy shit this guy is good, he managed to secure millions of dollars of seed money from the UK gov, and even published in some top journals. Unfortunately I can't reach his company's website right now. But maybe he's still in the RnD phase and having a website isn't of much use at this point.

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    43. Oh I have two of my friends from VJC still living with their parents today because they simply cannot get on the property ladder given their financial situation - but hey, they were straight-A students. I'm sure if you had met them Amanda, you'll find them very intelligent and you could have very interesting conversations with them but none of that translated into being able to make enough money to leave home by making enough money.

      Here's the thing about Dr Ong, he's brilliant but not commercially minded, that's why he's worked with a mutual friend to raise money for his first round of funding and it's the same mutual friend helping him with the second round of funding. That's why I thought it was pointless to discuss with Putty below (he's disappeared?!) about whether it is better to be a middleman or an entrepreneur: I can't possibly do what Dr Ong does, his talents and brains are so different, what he does is brilliant but by the same token, he can't do what I do. His skill sets are completely different, but that's fine, different people with different skills work together bringing something different to the table and then as a team, we succeed together through a combination of the sum total of everything we've brought to the table. A monkey is great at climbing trees but can't swim, a fish can swim really well but can't climb trees. Let's just let everyone stick to what comes naturally to them and so they can excel. You can't tell the fish, hey fish, there's plenty of wonderful ripe fruit at the top of the tree, all you have to do is climb to the top of the tree like the monkey and you can enjoy all of these delicious fruits up there. The fish can't do it, even if it knows the rewards are at the top of the tree - we have to let people stick to what they're best at and thinking that you can do everything from climbing trees to swimming is a bit naive. I think Putty needs to figure out what he is best at before deciding if he is a monkey or a fish. I've already informed Dr Ong that his website is down!

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    44. I have written a short post yesterday as I decided to censor my latest post. It felt wrong. It was about living with Covid and getting used to a daily death toll, I thought I was numb to death like so many people in the UK. Then yesterday, I found out that the husband of one of my good friends died, he was just 31. We still don't know how he died yet but she is just 30 years old and her husband died. Obviously, I am numb with shock and I was walking to the gym yesterday and then I started running down the street because I was so angry that it happened, I thought it was so unfair and my head was in a mess. So I ran so fast and then when I had to stop as I was completely out of breath after running for a few minutes, I started to cry. My emotions were in a mess, I did know the guy who died (though I have not seen him since the pandemic started) but I also just felt so bad for the wife he left behind (who is my good friend). Anyway, I came home and I deleted that draft about living with Covid because I realized that I wasn't numb to death, it's just that it was other people who died - people I don't know but when someone you know dies like that, of course you experience all of those feelings associated with grief. I thought some of the things I said in the article weren't appropriate so I deleted it and I might blog about it from a different perspective.

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    45. Yeah the example with your former batchmates just shows that school does not test every skill you need to make money. I'm frequently surprised at all the stories of brilliant scientists or former athletes who died penniless. Both types of people are very talented, even if they can't manage money well.

      Yeah it's equally great to be either a Dr. Ong type or a middleman type like your mutual friend or yourself. Also Dr. Ong probably doesn't want to leave medicine to put on suits and talk to investors super often, whilst your mutual friend doesn't want to sit in front of a whiteboard writing equations all day. One thing I appreciate about Western society is embracing diversity in talents. In Asia there's more pressure to conform to one type of success, and that's usually some manager type with good grades (they don't even appreciate the Dr. Ong types)
      I think it's because in the past there were only two jobs: manual laborer or manager of manual laborers(think McDonalds manager, factory manager, etc.). Even your type of job isn't really appreciated in Sg because you don't deal with manual laborers that you make work 90hrs a week, instead you find a way to connect investors to appreciate the new ideas of people like Dr. Ong, without using only spreadsheets and email.

      I remember my dad once flew in a consulting engineer because none of the other engineers on the oilrig he worked at could solve this massive problem that was costing everyone millions of dollars a day. That brilliant engineer was given the full VIP treatment by my dad when he arrived in the country, airport pickup, fancy dinner, shopping at fancy malls, etc. And my dad was just a middleman who did business with this engineering firm often and had the connection to get this engineer in on short notice for a problem at his workplace that didn't concern him. I cannot imagine an engineer being appreciated that much in Sg, they'd probably just be sent an email with the agreed upon amount to be paid, then expected to make their own hotel/flight arrangements. With that treatment why would a brilliant engineer halfway around the world (he was Canadian) drop everything for this one short term job?

      I'm so sorry to hear that about your friend and her husband. You really don't expect this since most UK adults have been vaccinated. But yeah people are numb to deaths if it's not in their community, every other death is considered a huge tragedy.

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    46. Oh to be honest, I don't know the cause of death at this stage, I suspect it is not Covid because there was this unusual statement like "the family requests that you respect their privacy at this time please." I tried Googling and his death was reported in the news with the cause of death as 'unknown' - I don't wanna read too much into it but if the cause of death was something like an accident or Covid, then they would have no problems sharing that piece of information. I don't know if you're thinking what I'm thinking, but it kinda suggests that it was suicide. Now I didn't know him that well but I knew his wife super well - he was married to this wonderful lady, had a really good job and everyone though everything was going so well that's why I thought there's no way he could have done something like that. But at this stage, I have no answers I'm afraid.

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    47. He was part of our gymnastics community - that's how I got to know him and I was his wife's gymnastics coach back in the day when she competed for her university. That's why at the gym tonight, gosh, I didn't even dare bring up the subject. I have a good friend there, another old coach - I didn't dare tell him "hey did you hear what happened?" That old coach is not great on social media so he probably hasn't heard of it and I chickened out Amanda, I didn't have the heart to bring up the subject. I am certain the old coach knew the guy who died but I was such a coward, I kept putting off until the old coach left the gym at closing time then I thought, well I'll let someone else tell him. Sigh. I couldn't do it. I swear it would totally break his heart. I'm enough of an emotional mess now, I am not able to support another person going through the same thing now.

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    48. Sorry for going on and on about it.

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    49. Yeah I was gonna say that sometimes we just write things that may sound a little incongruent just because we're feeling some intense emotion at the time. So I get if you wrote a post then immediately deleted it. Sometimes my comments don't sound very contextual just because some random event may have happened to me earlier that day.

      But oh my god that sounds like a very tragic tale for a young person to die in their early 30s, and the cause of death unusually not being reported. But it surprises me when I open the NYTimes and read obituaries of young influencers who committed suicide even though their lives seemed decent from the outside. That sounds like something that would be felt very much in your gymnastics community, sports clubs are very close social spaces after all. I mean, when I left my fencing club in Sg to move to the US that was already sad, and it's not like I had to stop fencing due to injury or death. Unfortunately there is a secret shame about suicide, because it implies the family wasn't a good enough reason to live for. I can't imagine what holding a funeral where the cause of death isn't revealed must feel like.

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  2. Hi Alex/Limpehft, just stumbled upon your blog and binged-read posts regarding NS and education & career. You've probably heard this before, but I love how you tell the truth (even if politically incorrect) and stick to facts.

    I wanted to ask advice regarding my education & career - I hope you don't mind, you're an accomplished person that I'd like to connect with.

    Here's some context:
    -21 Male Singaporean

    Age 17:
    -Dropped out of top 10 JC and went to Poly. I was amongst the last 5-10 students in term of grades due to gaming addiction, was asked to retain but dropped out.
    -Stopped gaming, found Crypto, made US$1 mil~ by raising money for ICOs

    Age 18-19:
    -Studied Information Technology Poly, fucked up my first & last semester due to Crypto & my business (details below) respectively. cGPA 3.4
    -Took lots of external courses on Marketing, Programming and Artificial Intelligence

    Age 20:
    -Took several internships programming, did average. (Felt it wasn't worth my time, with the low SG$500-600/month pay)
    -Co-founded an online business (marketplace business model) with mid 40s friend/mentor with investment banking background. We seed funded SG$150k total, no accelerator/vc/external seed funding.

    Age 21:
    -Not sure about Net Worth, mostly illiquid. 95% invested into Crypto/startups, 5% cash. Getting US$4-5k in passive dividends each month.
    -Online business doing SG$20k-25k/month revenue (almost 100% gross margin, no COGS) and growing. Not profitable (after paying employees/marketing), but investing more cash, hiring more employees to scale.
    -Served as CEO, managing 6-7 employees. Recently stepped down (but still involved) when enlisted into NS
    -Just enlisted into NS, Pes E9, probably clerk vocation, currently stay out (8-5 job basically)
    -I tried applying to NUS/NTU/SMU but was rejected due to bad-average O Level/JC 1/Diploma grades.
    -Finished hundreds of blogs/books/podcasts regarding personal development, marketing/sales/growth, development, venture capital, startups, business biographies etc
    -My largest fear (same as yours), building a good (but not great) business. I want to make billions, not just build a business that does a few million per year (which I suspect where my business is heading).

    Questions:
    If you were in my situation, would you do? So many opportunities to explore, I'm not sure what to do.
    (1) Pursue software development as career - could probably get good at it, but not worth my time. Plus I'm already hiring and managing developers for my company.
    (2) Re-apply for NUS/NTU/SMU with current low grades (apparently they weren't impressed with my entrepreneurial background =_=)
    (3) Re-take A Levels and apply for NUS/NTU/SMU AND overseas Ivy Leagues
    (4) Continue running my business, exploring new opportunities/pivots, see how big I can grow this
    (5) Try Venture Capital/Management Consulting internships - just to see if I'm any good at other fields

    Thanks in advance for the advice.

    P.S. How did your rail startup turn out? I couldn't seem to find an update post for it.

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    1. Hi Putty, thanks for your comment, allow me to respond.

      1. Holy shit why the hell are you even considering studying? Please don't make the dumb mistake I did as a young person who wasted so much time studying as these pieces of paper are totally fucking useless. Don't go to university, it's a fucking waste of time for you. I'm currently working with two guys in my company: one is 23 and failed his A levels, currently raking in approx US$5 million a month. Another is 24, dropped out of university within a few days when he realized how fucking retarded the staff are and how childish the other students are, currently raking in approx US$2 million a month. After all, I work in banking - either you're smart and you'll figure out what you need to do for yourself to make an obscene amount of money (hence you don't need a degree), or you're stupid in which case, tough shit a university cannot cure stupidity. So either way, what the fuck do people go to university for anymore?

      2. Software development is an option. I don't know you well enough to be able to tell you if you're going to be good at software development. I'm not convinced you're convinced it is the right path for you. Based on what you said above, you sounds like your're trying to talk yourself out of it - just because you're good at it, it doesn't mean you have to turn it into your career. I've got loads of skills I don't use in my career and it's a luxury I suppose. I see some people out there who aren't that smart and they're just hoping to be good at one thing, so they can use that one thing to turn into a career and here we are in a situation where you have several skills you could use for your career - you don't have to use all of them you know.

      3. I would get NS out of the way first then go back to running your own business. As for internships, oh I don't know - it depends whom it is with. We had one intern recently but she was fucking useless. She was this rich kid from a very privileged family and she wasn't that motivated to learn - don't get me wrong, she was pleasant and polite but I felt that she wasn't hungry for the opportunity. Typical rich kid mentality - she probably has had everything handed to her on a sliver platter all her life by her parents and servants.

      4. But Putty, you get a degree and do internships for employers to take you seriously and offer you a job. You've got something faaaar more valuable than that - you've already ran your own company. So that automatically means you do NOT bother with further education, you do NOT do internships - you just get on with your career. You wanna move forwards in your life now, not take two or three steps backwards. Fuck universities, I am so cynical about universities. I was just telling Amanda above about my 23 year old colleague who makes 5 million USD a month and she said she could teach in a top university how to make that kind of money - I had to point out that no university in the world can afford to pay their staff US$5 million a month = US$60 a year. That's why the teachers are universities are losers who think that $200,000 a year is a lot of money and that's why universities are a waste of time if you're clearly a lot smarter than the staff at the university. Like if they were so freaking smart, why are they earning a humble salary in a teaching post at the university, why aren't they raking in several millions a month then? Holy fuck, stay the fuck away from universities please.

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    2. 5. That start up went to the wall, we pulled the plug on it because the we were about to launch our prototype with two rail companies, both companies said the same thing, "could you let the other company do the proof of concept first and once it is successful we will follow suit." Neither wanted to be the first and so it was a situation which I couldn't resolved - we could get either company to make a move so the project ran out of steam. It was horrible working with the rail industry because you had all of these old people who had that attitude, "damn it, the trains are fine, why are you young people trying to change things and make more work for me?" I tried to argue, "we're using modern technology to make the system far more efficient for you." But these old people are like civil servants, they don't get more money for adopting new technology, they have zero incentive to make the system better or more efficient, so they were the ones who caused the problems. The problem we were trying to fix still exists today and those dinosaurs turned down a brilliant solution to fix it because they just wanted to do as little work as possible - so a bunch of smart guys from a start up offering a brilliant solution are seen as a bunch of troublemakers, "damnit, you've just given me more work to do, now I have to read your proposal about this new technology." What a fucking awful industry, that's why I am never touching transport again. I'm in banking where people are far more open minded about technology.

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    3. Hey Putty I'd just like to add if you're already great at managing a business there is no need to bother with studying for A levels and becoming a software engineer unless you really really love Artificial intelligence and want to contribute to that field instead of hiring someone else to do that for you, which it seems you can do. I work in academia and met many people from NUS/NTU who aced their A levels but can't seem to design any novel algorithms or make any money. You seem to be doing fine as is. Also if you study for the A levels and go to university, you have to think of the opportunity cost of not running a business right away. Is studying computer science worth the money you could make in 3 years running a business? The typical 21 year old does not have that opportunity cost because most likely without a degree they'd be working minimum wage as a waiter or grab driver. But you don't!

      Also if you had lots of money you can just walk up to an NUS professor of computer science and offer to commercialize their technology by licensing their intellectual property and hiring people to develop it into an actual product. You don't have to have a PhD to do that, in fact academia needs entrepreneurs to commercialize technologies because the scientists are too busy getting lost in the details to run businesses that make their inventions useful.

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    4. Amanda is 100% right. If you're a clueless young person who has no clue what to do and if you knew nothing about the working world, then university might be a learning experience and you get to kick that can down the road for 3 years. But what on earth do you need a degree for if you're already so successful in the working world? You've gotta stop thinking like a Singaporean. Only a Singaporean will want that piece of useless paper that you definitely don't need.

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    5. Hi Alex & Amanda,

      Thanks for knocking some sense into me - I realize I'm way ahead of my peers/fresh grads.

      Re Amanda: With further education out of the way, the opportunity cost would be like: Continue with existing business (lower risk, lower return) or pivot business/grow new business (higher risk, higher returns)

      Q:
      (1) I couldn't summarize succinctly, here goes: I dislike finance because it's "being middleman of a transaction and taking a cut" while being an entrepreneur is "coming up with new business model/disruptive innovation and generating more value for customers while taking a cut". But I realize finance/capital is important for business (read: https://commoncog.com/blog/tacit-mental-model-of-business/#the-mental-model-of-business). How do I reconcile the 2 views?
      (2) During NS, I'll still apply to all SG universities with existing grades (so no future effort into grades). Why not maintain a 2.0/5.0 GPA and just milk the school's resources/connections/alumni network for all it's worth and fuck off/drop out after? (Tbh I'm liking this option most, little downside - few hours/week of studying and maybe $5k fees for 1st semester and average? upside)
      (3) Parents die die want me to attend University (save face for relatives/friends....). Mentor who attended ivy league 20 years ago also wants me to (he really thinks it's the best for me).. Not sure how to reconcile

      Thanks for advice and connecting.

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    6. Hi Alex & Amanda,

      Thanks for knocking some sense into me - I realize I'm way ahead of my peers/fresh grads.

      Re Amanda: With further education out of the way, the opportunity cost would be like: Continue with existing business (lower risk, lower return) or pivot business/grow new business (higher risk, higher returns)

      I'll probably focus on 2 goals
      (1) Grow business & investments
      (2) Maintain mental/physical health, pick up 1 or 2 hobbies (so I won't be a boring guy with fat wallet lol)

      Q:
      (1) I couldn't summarize succinctly, here goes: I dislike finance because it's "being middleman of a transaction and taking a cut" while being an entrepreneur is "coming up with new business model/disruptive innovation and generating more value for customers while taking a cut". But I realize finance/capital is important for business (read: https://commoncog.com/blog/tacit-mental-model-of-business/#the-mental-model-of-business). How do I reconcile the 2 views?
      (2) During NS, I'll still apply to all SG universities with existing grades (so no future effort into grades). Why not maintain a 2.0/5.0 GPA and just milk the school's resources/connections/alumni network for all it's worth and fuck off/drop out after? (Tbh I'm liking this option most, little downside - few hours/week of studying and maybe $5k fees for 1st semester and average? upside)
      (3) Parents die die want me to attend University (save face for relatives/friends....). Mentor who attended ivy league 20 years ago also wants me to (he really thinks it's the best for me).. Not sure how to reconcile
      (4) Any other advice for me? Specific skills that I should learn? I realize you emphasize a lot on soft skills. I'm pretty good at 1-1s (because I smile, mirror their body language/words, stroke their ego and listen to their stories, find out more about them). But I get tired, takes effort lah. I suck at party/large social situations, like fish out of water. Especially when people's talking over me.

      Edit: Sorry, I commented as new instead of existing thread (pls keep this one). Have you considered blogging on substack.com instead of blogspot? It's the best platform nowadays for creators/readers.

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    7. Now Putty, you need to ask yourself this simple question for every decision to are about to make: if I invest in this, what do I get out of it? So if say someone tried to sell me an expensive health supplement, I would want to know exactly what benefits I would get out of it before handing over the money for it, right? Likewise, for something like a degree, you've gotta brush aside the assumption that "you must have a degree" cos that's the kind of bullshit your parents would say, you need to calmly do a cost-benefit analysis with regards to the advantages of having a degree vs the opportunity cost of spending that much time away from your business at university pursuing a fucking useless piece of paper. Pardon my language, you already know very well my stance on this.

      A1. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being the middleman of a transaction and taking a cut. That's what I do and that's what made me rich. But not as rich as some of the people I work with, there's this guy I often refer to as Dave (not his real name) on my blog - he is 23 and makes about US$5 Million a month, purely by being the middleman because he is so fantastic at what he does. Can you make say US$60 million a year being an entrepreneur? One in a million do, 9 out of 10 start ups fail and it is far easier for Dave to just let someone else do the hard work, position himself as the middleman and rake in the millions. Once he accumulates an insane pot of money with 9 figures, then he is in a good position to invest in a company where smart people do all the hard work and he manages the finance. The real money is in finance where you simply invest wisely or be the middlemen and let the engineers do the hard work - you pay the engineers a decent, respectable salary but they'll never rake in 8 figures a year. They can at best rake in 100,000 a year whilst Dave can easily make 100 million a year. So I have to say, you're totally wrong in assuming that being an entrepreneur is the better route - it's so much riskier and you'll earn a LOT less. There's something romantic about trying to be the next Elon Musk but I have to ask you to get read Putty, people like Dave stay in the shadows whilst making $100m a year before his 25th birthday. Do you wanna be like him or do you wanna be like me, the idiot who had his own start up that failed because 9 out of 10 start ups failed?

      A2. Fuck university. Why even bother? The school's resources are bullshit, the connections are totally fucking worthless. The alumni network isn't worth shit. Singaporean universities are full of students like my nephew who are great at memorizing the entire textbook but are totally clueless when it comes to the working world. Would getting to know my nephew be of any use to you? Fuck no, he doesn't know what he hell he wants to do with his life, he is just struggling to get through the next exam and has a very short term vision. What you need to do is to network with people like Amanda and myself who have a very different perspective given that we're older, wiser and smarter - we have had so much precious real world experience in the working world. It's people like us you need to speak to, not people like my nephew. LOL. You talk to my nephew for 5 minutes and you'll realize holy shit he is so childish, he talks like a teenager obsessed with computer games but has no idea about the business world. That's what going to NUS will be like for you, what the fuck would you wanna do there? It has absolutely NOTHING to offer you. NOTHING at all. Part 2 coming up

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    8. A21:
      Given your track record with the education system so far (JC, poly), you've clearly forgotten what it is like to be a student at a Singaporean educational institution. I rolled my eyes when you naively and incorrectly claimed, "few hours/week of studying" - holy crap, are you for real? Do you know how much workload they pile on the students at NUS? It's an Asian thing, they confuse quality and quantity - you will be drowning in so much homework that you won't have time for anything. Parents are the ones who expect this from the university: "I've paid the tuition fees now I expect you to cram my child's head with so much knowledge!" So your assumption on what the NUS experience will be like is completely wrong. You're just going to be disappointed with how fucking useless the teaching staff are and the childish nature of the other students is going to drive you freaking mental. Then when the workload hits you then you'll realize what a catastrophic decision this was then drop out after wasting time and money. No no no, hell no.

      A3. As for parents, look are your parents that clever? Intelligent? Rich? Successful? I don't know - you tell me. I can only share my personal experience, my parents are primary school teachers and they were so useless at their jobs that the school would make sure they were given the primary one and two classes to teach because they couldn't figure out the PSLE syllabus, but because they had been working for so long, they were technically speaking fully qualified and experience even though they were total idiots. It was at about the age of 9 that I realized that I was going to become a lot smarter than my parents and by the time I was like 13, I was already so much smarter than both my parents put together. I stopped listening to their 'good advice' and started doing exactly what you did: I spoke to more intelligent adults in my life to get their opinion knowing that my parents are uneducated, autistic and ignorant. You get what you're given, such were my parents but was I going to blindly listen to their bad advice and let them wreck my life? No, I told them, "thank you for your advice but I have spoken to other people and this is what I am going to do based on their advice and these people are more highly educated than you, they have far more experience in the working world and I'm going to listen to them instead." I hate to be rude, but I can assure you that I'm definitely a lot more worldly wise and savvy about the business world than your parents in Singapore. The question is: what lengths will you go to in order to please them? Would you fuck up your own life just to please them? And are they so autistic and dumb that they force you into a bad decision instead of admitting, "our son is intelligent and smart, we trust his judgment". I'm hoping your parents are reasonable but even if they're not, you have to draw the line somewhere - you're an adult after all. You can't spend your life pleasing your parents if they haven't a clue about what's best for you in the business world.

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    9. As for your mentor, I'm going to disagree with him. Look, I was a scholar who had a scholarship to the top UK university - whilst that was the route I took, would I tell you to go down the same route? Hell no. Why should I force that upon you when a good mentor should put aside his own ego and say, "Putty, let's see what's going on with your situation right now and let's find something that will be best for you. What I have done in the past 20 years ago is not relevant to your future, let's talk about what's happening to you in the next 20 years, let's ignore what I did 20 years ago because the world is a very different place today and it'll be even more different 20 years from now." Sorry to be rude again, but your mentor is plain wrong on this point and it does sound like he has a very big ego - that is the only reason why he is giving you such terrible advice.

      A4. As for what skills to develop - definitely social skills. Learning to talk to people, getting people to like you, becoming a great listener, learn how to be such engaging, learn how to pretend to be interested in something even if you have no interest in what the other party is talking about. You're in Singapore, this will make you stand out as Singaporeans totally fucking suck when it comes to social skills. As a Singaporean with good social skills, you will be head and shoulders ahead of everyone else. If you were in New York or London, then it's no big deal as the benchmark for social skills is a lot higher in the West. Social skills are indispensable, they are so vital and you need to spend a lot more time developing them please. Further to that, I don't wanna tell you what to do - you need to pick those for yourself. I don't wanna make the mistake your mentor did by imposing his experiences on yours: for example, I speak French fluently and it has proven to be so useful to me at work, but would I ask you to learn French just because I like the French language? Hell no, that would be totally wrong because me liking French is not a good enough reason for you to learn it - you've got to focus your energies on something you're passionate about.

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    10. PS. Sorry to have sounded harsh in my posts above. I just wanna point out that you're actually taking one step in the right direction in seeking a wide variety of advice from different sources, rather than simply blindly and unconditionally listening to your parents when they give you crap advice to fuck up your life or your mentor who seems to have an uncomfortably large ego. Good luck!

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    11. A1: The ironic thing was, I made my first millions by being a middleman between dozens of Chinese investors and Western blockchain companies. Those Chinese investors couldn't speak English, I helped facilitate the deal and got my first few million in Crypto tokens. (It dwindled down to just a million as I didn't sell the Crypto tokens at the peak). My goal is to stay anonymous/lowkey and be rich - just like Dave. When I was 18-19, I went onto the streets of Singapore to pickup girls. I've probably approached close to a thousand - rejected by most but persisted with a few. Probably because I was a short 165cm dude, not good looking and dressed like shit (I've since improved obviously). I'm sure I can pull the same crap with hiring managers of high ticket sales organizations.

      Just 1 ask Alex, could you please point me to resources/articles to get started? I know you can't be super specific, but what exactly do you and Dave sell? Can I do the same shit in Singapore, given hiring managers need candidates with degrees? Or do I just have to find my way with multiple sales companies, be the middleman of something high ticket?

      A2/A21: Agreed, I did forget the heavy workload in JC. I got some smarts so managed to coast through poly with 1-2 hours/day, gpa 3.9 on a few semesters.

      A3: No, blue collar working class. I take some of their health advice but wouldn't listen to them for career advice. Thank god for internet, I connected with dozens of mentors I speak to for advice.

      A4: Definitely, gotta buck up on my social skills. I was a nerd since young, spent most of my time on computers and still do, since the business I run is online based.

      Conclusion: Thanks for your (and Amanda's perspective), it seems that I've been barking up the wrong tree - nothing wrong with being a middleman (that's what I did to make my 1st pot of gold anyway).

      Though I don't know where to start. Can I break into sales, be it enterprise software sales or investment banking (or your type of sales) with a diploma? Feasible in Singapore or have to migrate to overseas countries?

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    12. Also I'd just like to add you can actually network really good connections outside of university if you pick the right hobbies and know how to talk to working adults. My dad's hobby was being in a club for collectors of classic cars, which is a very expensive hobby only rich people can afford. As a result he made a tonne of friends who worked in banking, the legal profession, media, doctors, and all manner of successful business owners. If you go to university the people you network with are either gonna be clueless young people, or at best a clueless young person with rich parents.

      Also you shouldn't look down on middlemen compared to engineers. My father was an engineer until his 40s when he switched to being a middleman who bought and sold technology, and became a millionaire. When he was an engineer it was very hard to crack 100k/year or more.

      But looking over your first post you mentioned that although your business is bringing in good revenue, it does not yet turn a decent profit. I see why you want to study something like computer science where you have some technical background to inject some innovation into your companies. That is perfectly commendable, but university isn't the only place to learn that. But if you were to go to uni, then I'd recommend writing to professors on day 1 to participate in research projects. No better way to learn real computer science than to work on real life innovation instead of classroom work. If there is a way to work with the professors without attending uni I'd say go for it. In Sg they do subcontract out work sometimes, you just need to prove you have the coding/math skills to get the job done.

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    13. 1. Picking up girls/guys is probably the best training in the world because you have to think on your feet, you need to adapt quickly, no amount of preparation could help you anticipate how the situation might turn. You've already done the hard work and thus you're so much better than your peers in this aspect. Well done. And hey, I'm not exactly a giant as well at 171 cm, I'm super short compared to these Angmohs in London but I don't rely on my looks. LOL. I am completely bald today at the age of 45 but I make it up with my confidence.

      2. It's what you wanna do with your life Dave. If you have a brilliant idea you're passionate about and you wanna make your mark, leave your legacy on this earth then by all means pursue it and make the world a better place. But if you just wanna make money, then oh please, being the middleman is the path to take cos you stand to make the maximum amount of money whilst taking the minimum amount of risk. That's why Dave is making 5 million USD a month whilst he is just 23. He's not smart enough or technically astute enough to make the product, he just plays the role of the middleman and takes his cut. Boom. Easy peasy. Dave & I represent a group of traders involved in contract arbitrage which is super lucrative and so we persuade institutional investors and people like private banks and family offices to invest. So for example, David Beckham is rich but I will never speak to David Beckham to ask him to invest, I speak to his private banker who manages Beckham's wealth and that's my role. I'm strictly B2B.

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    14. 3. I can't tell you whether or not you can do the same thing in Singapore - there are two sides to the argument. There is a gap in the market in Singapore because most people have zero social skills so even a half decent salesman with a bit of social skills will have an easy time slaughtering the opposition. But can you deal with Singaporeans? Holy fuck, I have had two deals fall through the last time I used to deal with the Singaporean market and it got to the point where I realized it is a zillion time easier making money with white people. Singaporeans are a bloody pain to deal with and for me, money is money whether I make it with Singaporeans, Germans, South Africans, Czechs, Greeks, Arabs, Koreans, Norwegians, Canadians or Indians. So I have zero incentive to deal with Singaporeans if I were to simply pick the lowest hanging fruit and choose to deal mostly with white people. Even people from China are easier to deal with than Singaporeans.

      4. Both Amanda and I feel that you'll be better off in the West than in Singapore for cultural reasons, the West embraces people who break the mould and find a new way to do things - Singapore doesn't have the same attitude.

      5. Don't waste your time learning things slowly - that was my mistake. I earned very little money in my 20s and it was only in my 30s that I managed to earn serious money after having moved up the food chain. Dave jumped in at a very senior position at 22 years old and it was through nepotism (he's from a rich family, his daddy knows a lot of people). There's nothing romantic in taking the long route that I did to get to this level, I wish I could have simply made the leapfrog all the way to the top the way Dave did at that age. Follow his example and don't repeat the dumb mistakes I made!

      6. Any course in NUS would leave you so busy with the sheer amount of homework - it's not like "oh I am smart enough to study only a little and pass the exams with flying colours." No, the tutor would say, "I want the 10,000 word essay + your research all done by next Monday, so be prepared to burn the midnight oil." It's the sheer demands of "I want all this homework done by next week" that will leave you with no time at all for anything, not even sleep. You will NOT be able to avoid the sheer amount of workload coming your way - if you keep missing deadlines and not handing in your assignments, then the vindictive tutors will just expel you, kick you out of the class no matter how smart you are. Hell no, fuck no. NUS is a fucking terrible idea. No no no no. How many times must I say no to you for that.

      7. OK so your parents are like mine. Why do you give a fuck what they think then about 'die die must have degree'. Who are they to give you advice on shit they don't know anything about? Look, I take care of my parents, I know they are fucking retards and I protect them from their own stupidity - like don't even get me started on how fucking stupid my parents are. I use my brains to take care of them and protect them but I have not taken any advice from them in like 33 years since I realize holy shit I'm a lot smarter than my parents. Why do you give a fuck what your parents think in this case then if you are aware of the fact that you're so much smarter than them? Protect them, take care of them, be good to them by all means but for crying out loud, don't take their fucking awful bad advice!

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    15. 8. The difference between Singapore and the UK for example is this: in Singapore, people are going to assume you're stupid if you don't have a degree. You're fucked in Singapore. But in the UK, Dave realized that he doesn't need a degree because he's smarter than the teachers at the universities and it's a fucking waste of time chasing a piece of paper he doesn't need - he made his first million whilst his former classmates were still writing essays at universities to be marked by a tutor who isn't even that intelligent. The problem for you is Singapore and the Singaporean mentality, Amanda is in America, I'm in the UK and we both agree that the sooner you get out of Singapore, the happier you'll be and the more successful you would become in the short run. Have you ever considered moving to the West to work for at least 10 years?

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    16. (1) Don't worry, your writings weren't harsh. I value truth over feeling good. Every single large life decision - I consult with mentors from different industries, take into account their experiences/biases and how much context they know about me. E.g. You might be biased against startups because you've failed once. Not trying to get into an argument though - Really appreciate your advice.

      (2) Regarding the Dave/other young guy raking in millions/month, I think it's a good example of being in the right place, right time. The big money is made in macro trends - and you & buddies were in a position to capitalize on rich Chinese people fleeing their country, bringing along their wealth. If I somehow managed to work my way into your/Dave's position 10 years before/from now, I'd be too early/late to capitalize on it. Same story how I took the opportunity to raise shit tons of money in a specific few months in 2017, before Crypto crashed in 2018.

      (3) I've nothing against being a middleman. In fact my online business is a middleman that matches demand and supply. However, I'm still more inclined towards building a great business rather than a job due to:
      (A) You'll hit a limit to how much you're earning in a career, business can be exponential.
      (B) You can't sell your career, you can sell your business for 3-5x revenue.
      I've tried working in 2 internships and I absolutely hated them (not good use of my time).

      (4) With that said, I'm open minded. I don't know what skills I'm good at. I'll definitely try:
      (A) Sales, be it selling high ticket B2B products or picking up girls more. But I must say my personality is introvert lah, talking to people drains my energy.
      (B) Travelling to both Asian (esp China/Shenzhen) and Western countries, living there, trying to get a job and making up my mind.
      Though, it seems like time is a limitation - I just don't have so much time to experiment, I'll be 23 years old after NS. Conclusion, I'll try stuff and make up my own mind.

      (5) Think you had a point about how business can't be learnt. I disagree, there's actually a mental model of business (running a company), and researchers can use some strategies to accelerate training of that specific skill. Read, an article from 1 of my favourite Singaporean blogs: https://commoncog.com/blog/business-mental-model

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    17. 1. Oh I am mature enough to park my feelings at the door, when it comes to start ups. I was given an opportunity, I grabbed the bull by its horns but I have no regrets that it failed. I'm not making up this thing about 9 out of 10 start ups fail, even with an injection of venture capital, that is still 7.5 out of 10 start ups failing. One thing I have learnt from my parents ironically is to avoid making this mistake: my father never ever admits he is wrong (even when he is clearly 100% in the wrong) because he thinks doing so and saying sorry will make him 'lose face'. Since I don't get along at all with my father, I always just do the complete opposite of what he does. So on the topic of start ups, yeah I will gladly fall on my sword and write you a long list of mistakes that I've made in that field when I did my own start up. I think you'll find in the short time we've been corresponding that I am the first to admit that I've made some really dumb mistakes along the way - how many people are that honest with you? I believe many people will go out of their way to hide their mistakes from you whilst I'm the one who will give you all the gory details because I want to show how we can take responsibility for our dumb mistakes, learn from those experiences and become better people as a result.

      So I refute your accusation that I'm biased or emotional when it comes to start ups, I now am in a position having brokered so many investment deals into such projects over the years and let me share with you another fucking stupid mistake my retarded mother makes. She always bases everything on her own experience, whilst totally ignoring the fact that others may have a different opinion. So for example, if she doesn't like Korean food, she will make a statement like "Korean food is not nice" whilst ignoring the fact that others (like me) adore Korean cuisine. She is painfully autistic and can only see things from her own point of view, thus based on her "reverse role model" teaching methods by being such a nightmare to deal with, she has inspired me to do the complete opposite. There is of course a huge difference between "I don't like Korean food" (ie. I'm simply expressing my own opinion) vs "Korean food is not nice" (ie. a claim that nobody likes Korean food - which is untrue of course). I have looked at tons of start ups and have helped to find them funding - with some projects, even I have had to say, "too esoteric, I'm sorry I'm not willing to try to help, I'm gonna cut my losses here."

      My point is simple Putty: my own start up represents one - just ONE case study involving a start up. I'm basing my opinion on the thousands of start ups I have come across and studied in great detail over the years. I'm looking at how other people in the funding circles have reacted to different kind of start ups and the information I am basing my opinion upon is a massive data set involving so many other people and companies whilst I've also made it a point to park my own experience at the door. Why? Because I'm determined not to be a fucking moron like my mother with the "I don't like Korean food" vs "Korean food is not nice". Only a moron like my mother would allow her own experiences to judge her judgment, you're dealing with a very humble man here who realizes his own opinions and experience don't really matter and I would be a fucking idiot like my mother if I allowed my own experiences to cloud my judgment. I realize you're young but that's something you will learn with age. And don't forget, there're loads of older people out there who are fucking idiots like my mother. But let's move onto the next point.

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    18. 2. I disagree with your wording of Dave's situation: you made it sound as if he somehow just accidentally by chance stumbled into a lucrative opportunity and he is now raking in the millions like he just won the lottery. Dave had gone out of his way to find the opportunity, for someone who doesn't speak Chinese and hasn't set foot in China, he has managed to go out of his way to engage this market extremely successfully. He has worked really, really hard to find his Chinese clients and yes he is in the right place at the right time now to rake in an insane mount of money, but please - he worked hard to earn every dollar in his offshore bank account. There was a lot of hard work involved and you too will have to put in the hard work to find your next big opportunity before you can rake in millions the way Dave is currently doing with his Chinese clients.

      3. Being a middleman is a lot easier than being a start up founder. I had a meeting this afternoon ironically with a Singaporean based in London who is running a start up, Dr Ong is a brilliant guy - so much smarter than I am or ever will be. He has the brains to come up with something so technologically advanced he is going to change his field: he just needs a huge investment + a few years to bring his dream to fruition and that's why he needed my help with the investments. So let's analyze this relationship: if you're as fucking brilliant as Dr Ong and you can invent something the way he has, then by all means go ahead and I wish you the best. But if you're not as brilliant as Dr Ong and wanna settle for being a middleman, then guess what? You will probably still have the potential to earn as much as Dr Ong. The way I see it, I'm in a better position than Dr Ong. If he fails to secure the funding for his business, then he could run out of steam, literally run out of money (he needs a lot of money to keep the R&D going) and then he's left with a failed start up - that's a bad position to be in because all that time, money and effort he's invested in his company would go down the drain. Whereas I could just walk away and say, "sorry I tried to help you but I failed, my bad, good luck" whilst I still have another 100 projects on my table I could potentially get funding for. As brilliant as Dr Ong is, I'm in a more comfortable position than him even though he is the rock star genius whilst I'm but a middleman. I've met people who have put 10 years into a company only to dispose it for a tiny fraction of what they have hoped it would achieve - not every start up has a success story and I stress, this is from my years of experience working in this field looking at thousands of case studies and I am not being a fucking moron like my mother and basing it on my own experience, okay?!

      4. I don't like talking to people I don't like, handling clients can be a pain at times but it's a job. I do stuff like that for money, you have to be realistic enough to accept that there are loads of things that you may not be entirely happy or comfortable with but you just have to get on with it as part of your job if it helps you achieve your final goal. I too am an introvert, but I also don't believe in making dumb excuses for avoiding the stuff that needs to be done.

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    19. 5. Getting a visa for anywhere from China to the UK is a pain these days - most countries have tightened up their requirements for foreigners seeking to work there. It's so freaking easy for anyone to go and work in Singapore but I don't believe at your tender age this is an issue you've considered before. Just be aware that you need a work permit in the first instance to go work in another country and there are many rules & regulations governing this in each country. This could prove to be a major problem for you in fact as some countries use a points-based system and as a non-graduate, you simply won't have enough points to qualify for a visa.

      6. I believe that people are either stupid or intelligent - that's basically it. If you give me an intelligent person, then I can teach them anything. If you give me a fucking idiot, then I can't make shit shine no matter how hard I try to train them. So as I was discussing with Amanda above, if a gymnast realizes she is extremely talented in the sport, she still needs to put in so many years of hard work and training before she can turn up at the Olympics and win a gold medal. Likewise, even if you are genuinely intelligent, you still need so much nurturing, learning and training to become successful at business. I've seen too many Singaporeans who are academically brilliant but really struggle to make ends meet in the business world because they suck at social skills and they don't know how to take the initiative to procure the information they need. I have two former classmates who are still living with their parents in their HDB flat at the ripe old age of 45 and these two were graduates who were straight-A students but still totally sucked when it came to figuring out how to make money.

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  3. Hi Alex & Amanda,

    Thanks for knocking some sense into me - I realize I'm way ahead of my peers/fresh grads.

    Re Amanda: With further education out of the way, the opportunity cost would be like: Continue with existing business (lower risk, lower return) or pivot business/grow new business (higher risk, higher returns)

    I'll probably focus on 2 goals
    (1) Grow business & investments
    (2) Maintain mental/physical health, pick up 1 or 2 hobbies (so I won't be a boring guy with fat wallet lol)

    Q:
    (1) I couldn't summarize succinctly, here goes: I dislike finance because it's "being middleman of a transaction and taking a cut" while being an entrepreneur is "coming up with new business model/disruptive innovation and generating more value for customers while taking a cut". But I realize finance/capital is important for business (read: https://commoncog.com/blog/tacit-mental-model-of-business/#the-mental-model-of-business). How do I reconcile the 2 views?
    (2) During NS, I'll still apply to all SG universities with existing grades (so no future effort into grades). Why not maintain a 2.0/5.0 GPA and just milk the school's resources/connections/alumni network for all it's worth and fuck off/drop out after? (Tbh I'm liking this option most, little downside - few hours/week of studying and maybe $5k fees for 1st semester and average? upside)
    (3) Parents die die want me to attend University (save face for relatives/friends....). Mentor who attended ivy league 20 years ago also wants me to (he really thinks it's the best for me).. Not sure how to reconcile
    (4) Any other advice for me? Specific skills that I should learn? I realize you emphasize a lot on soft skills. I'm pretty good at 1-1s (because I smile, mirror their body language/words, stroke their ego and listen to their stories, find out more about them). But I get tired, takes effort lah. I suck at party/large social situations, like fish out of water. Especially when people's talking over me.

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