Hello again guys, I have had an interesting conversation with my sister in Singapore recently about the Covid-19 situation here in the UK and obviously, she had a lot of questions about what caused the second wave of the Covid-19 infection here in the UK and thus I thought I would craft a Q&A based on some of the points we had covered in our chat.
Q: How bad is the Covid-19 situation in the UK now?
A: It isn't just bad, it is pretty fucking bad! Back in the summer months, around late June to August, infection rates were low at about a thousand new cases a day and daily deaths were in the single figures, almost at zero. Now the infection rates have shot up to anything around 15,000 to 20,000 a day and daily deaths reached 143 today (13th October). Still, this is not as bad as in March and April where daily deaths did exceed 1,000 a day. We are still having to take the reports of new cases with a pinch of salt as many people are still not getting tested, instead being told to simply self-isolate if they feel sick. So if we actually had the testing capacity we needed, this figure would be a lot higher than 20,000 a day - with some estimates as high as 50,000 to 100,000 a day. So we really don't know what the true figure is when it comes to daily new cases and it suffices to say that the government has well and truly lost control of the situation - the technical term for this is "a monumental fuck up". Given that the population of the UK is 67 million, it won't be long before everyone in the country gets infected because you need to remember, this isn't linear progression but exponential progression (please see video below) - so given how quickly it is spreading, it's inevitable that everyone is going to get infected eventually. Plan A was to keep the Corona virus at bay through social distancing but given how it is now sweeping through the country so quickly this time around, it is time we admit that the public have just succumbed to Corona-fatigue: that means they are sick and tired of constantly being vigilant, having to wear masks and so they have thrown caution to the wind on the basis of, "if I get it, so be it, it is inevitable that I'm gonna get it." It is scary to see how quickly things went downhill - the infection numbers were still stable at the beginning of September: but the beginning of September was when the infection rate skyrocketed. It has really in the last five weeks when things have gotten steadily worse and worse and we're expecting the situation to continue deteriorating until winter comes, when practically everyone would have been infected, a lot more dead bodies in the morgues and then we would reach a new equilibrium.
Q: Why is this happening now in the UK? Why is there a second wave?
A: Well there is one key factor - quite simply, the schools have reopened. The government had been very keen to get the economy restarted again and if the kids are stuck at home with schools shuts (or offering only online learning), then you need an adult at home to supervise the younger kids and that's preventing a lot of parents from getting back into work properly. So the schools were reopened with that key aim of providing childcare for the children during office hours, so parents could get back to some kind of normal work routine - but of course, they neglected to consider how schools would cope with so many kids pouring into the classroom where social distancing is not possible. The fact is even if the young children get infected with Covid-19, they will experience very mild symptoms or none at all; what then happens is that the children still go home after school and then they mingle with the rest of their family, infecting the older members of their family such as their parents and grandparents. That's where things go horrifically wrong particularly in poorer communities: rich British people will tend to have plenty of room in big houses, when children grow up and get married, they typically move out and buy a brand new family home when they start a family - the key thing is that the grandparents and grandchildren do not live in the same house. However for poor people, the adults get to the age where they get married and have children, but they simply cannot afford to move out or buy a new home - so they stay with their parents and you have three generations under one roof. That's just how things have always been with poorer, working class communities but when these children then get infected with Covid-19 at school, they come home and sit in the living room watching TV with their grandparents, breathing the same air in a confined space and that's enough to infect the grandparents who will then become gravely ill (and possibly die) even if they have been very careful all along - so they get ill and die because they are too poor and are forced to share a house with their grandchildren, unlike the rich people.
Q: Is it really that simplistic? Is this just poor people getting infected during the second wave?
A: Yes, it is that simple. There is a massive north-south divide with the poorest parts of the country being the worst hit - this boils down to the living conditions: rich people can afford to have far more living space because they are living in big houses whilst poor people are struggling with much smaller houses. The situation is often a lot worse than it seems because 'sharing' is something that people don't talk about or admit - the situation I have described above, whereby the children grow up and want to get married, start a family but are so freaking poor they cannot afford to move out, so they end up living three generations under one roof: that's actually relatively common amongst the poorest working classes in the UK. But instead of admitting that they are doing this because they are poor and earning peanuts, they dress it up as if they have close knit families, they celebrate the close relationship between the grandparents and the grandchildren and they pour scorn on the rich people who don't have three generations under one roof, "they have abandoned their grandparents, I bet the grandparents don't even remember the names of their grandchildren when they see them like once a year at Christmas." Of course, this has never really been a problem until now, when the grandchildren are infecting their grandparents simply by doing something as simple as sharing a bathroom or using the same kitchen - when you live in a very small dwelling, any concept of social distancing is virtually impossible. Thus infection rates are highest in places like the north of England and Wales, where incomes are quite a lot lower than the rest of the country. But of course, poorer working adults are far more likely to be exposed to the virus - a lawyer or banker is going to be able to work from home but people who work in public transport or supermarkets just don't have that luxury and it is the latter group who are going to be more exposed and are at much greater risk of being exposed and infected at a time like this.
So let's imagine the scene in a poor Northern town like Sunderland where the infection rates are skyrocketing at the moment - let's meet a typical working class family there, the Colson family. Grandma and Grandad Colson are retired, they help with the child care at home. Both Daddy and Mummy Colson are working: Daddy Colson is a customer service assistant at the local train station whilst Mummy Colson is a cashier at the local supermarket. Then you have Tom and Jerry, both still in primary school - all of them live in a flat with three bedrooms, the grandparents have one bedroom, the parents in another and the two boys in the third bedroom. There is only one toilet/bathroom and one kitchen. If Daddy, Mummy, Tom or Jerry get infected, given how they spend so many hours at home together, it is inevitable that the whole family will eventually get infected. Contrast that to the Goldsmith family from Hampstead, a rich suburb in North London. Grandma and Grandpa Goldsmith are retired and have their own house in Belsize Park, another nice suburb in North London. Daddy and Mummy Goldsmith work from home as they are white collar professionals who have the luxury of doing so, their children Elizabeth and Daniela go to the local private school (only for very rich families who can afford the exorbitant fees at the school, thus keeping the poor people out), where class sizes are a lot smaller and thus social distancing is enforced a lot more strictly. So even if the girls who get infected, Daddy and Mummy Goldsmith are going to make sure they do not infect Grandma and Grandpa Goldsmith - when they do visit the grandparents, the girls maintain their distance and they only sit outside. Grandma and Grandpa have a nice big garden in any case given that they are filthy rich and have a big house, so social distancing is not a problem and they have the luxury of still seeing their granddaughters whilst not risking any infection. Contrast that to the Colsons, when simply going to the toilet is exposing Grandma and Grandpa Colson to infection. Thus that is why there is great difference in the infection rates amongst the rich and the poor - poorer working class people like the Colson family are going to be hit much harder in this pandemic.
Q: Wait, don't rich people get infected as well? The virus doesn't care about your bank balance at all.
A: Do rich people get infected with Covid-19? Yes of course they do, but they are far less likely to in the first place and let's take the famous example of Donald Trump - he received the best medical care in the world once he got diagnosed and recovered very quickly, but let's not imagine that poor, working class people like Grandpa Colson would have the same experience if he got infected. Far from it, people like Grandpa Colson would probably die from the infection if he got infected during the worst of the pandemic and he couldn't a bed at the local hospital's intensive care unit. So if Grandpa or Grandma Colson became very ill, then they would be sent to the local hospital in Sunderland where they live - but that's where the problem gets even worse because the local hospital there is likely to be already overwhelmed by loads of other patients in exactly the same situation, this will lead to delays in getting effective treatment to the very sick patients as the hospital goes into meltdown because it is completely overwhelmed by the number of patients. Contrast that to a hospital in a richer part of London like Belsize Park (where the local hospital is the Royal Free Hospital), it is far better resourced and they have far more capacity because the local infections rates are lower - this is because rich locals like the Goldsmith family have the money to protect themselves from the Corona virus and thus even if in a worst case scenario, say Grandma Goldsmith gets infected and admitted to her local hospital, her chances of survival in a hospital that isn't overwhelmed and able to operate normally are much higher than someone like Grandma Colson, whose local hospital is already in a total meltdown. This is why the experts are always talking about 'flattening the curve' because we have to make sure the hospitals are not overwhelmed, that they would be able to treat all their patients - the only way to do that is to get the general population to behave in a far more responsible manner, so as to stop the spread of the virus.
Q: What can the UK (and other European governments) learn from Singapore?
A: Tough one, of course we can see that Singapore is a lot more effective in controlling the situation than in Europe but the culture is so different in Singapore. Firstly, take something like face masks, the local population is so much more compliant when it comes to following the rules whereas in European countries, people are far more rebellious and will not obey the rules if they can get away with it. Take wearing a mask on public transport for example: you should be wearing a mask when you're on a train but if someone doesn't wear a mask, then there's no police or staff member there to force that passenger off the train or enforce any of the rules - it is down to the individual to decide to obey the rules for the good of the community around them and a lot of white people are very individualistic: that means they only think about the issue from their own point of view ("Wearing this mask is so uncomfortable, I think I can get away with it if I don't wear it, no one is going to stop me.") rather than the impact on the people around them. ("We all have to play our part to stop the spread of the virus, so I have to wear a mask whether I like it or not.") So it isn't the government of Singapore that deserves all the credit, but rather it is the local culture about being law-abiding and one has to thus give credit to the Singaporean public rather than just the government of Singapore or the law-enforcement authorities in Singapore. Furthermore, there is a conflict between trying to restart the economy before the economy totally collapses and trying to prevent more people from getting infected that has caused this second spike. Sure a full lock down would suppress the rates of infection, but the longer you keep the economy on a full lock down, the more it will totally suffer and eventually businesses will collapse one by one - the governments are faced with an impossible choice: economic collapse or second wave. Singapore has demonstrated that it can be done but it depends on the people behaving and cooperating, following the rules - unfortunately, I just don't see that happening in Europe because the culture here is just so different.
Q: Okay, in light of that, what is going to happen in Europe then?
A: We're probably going to head towards herd immunity whether or not it is a deliberate government policy (such as in the case of Sweden). We're heading into a period known as 'flu season' - this is when winter arrives, the weather gets significantly colder, people stop doing outdoor activities like jogging in parks and shift towards more indoor activities like exercising in gyms. Note that flu season hasn't started yet! Typically flu season starts in December and we're still in October now, so if you think infection rates are bad now, they are set to get a lot worse in December. It is highly unlikely that a vaccine will be rolled out to the general population before the end of this year, so people like Grandma and Grandpa Colson are probably going to be sacrificed in this context as the vast majority of people in Europe get Covid-19 at some point this year (and hopefully develop immunity after that infection). A lot more people are going to die in Europe in the next few months as flu season kicks in properly as the infections spread - the governments are unable to lock down again as a second lock down would undoubtedly deliver a fatal blow to too many businesses and given how desperate the economic situation is at the moment, the governments are powerless and given how utterly useless Boris Johnson is, we're just going to see a lot of poor people die. This government doesn't care - poor people tend not to vote for the Conservative party anyway, they are Labour voters so the government will just shrug and say, "yup, too bad, nothing we can do" as more poor people die. A natural equilibrium will be established when practically everyone has been infected, most of the weak, vulnerable and the old have been killed off and thus we achieve herd immunity. Infection rates will then naturally fall to near zero after everyone has been infected and recovered - thus it is a question of whether that would happen first or a vaccine would be discovered first. Your guess is as good as mine on this matter but given how fast this virus is spreading again - I think herd immunity might happen first, let's just get it over and done with.
Q: Was it wrong to reopen the schools then if that was responsible for the second wave?
A: Well if you want the short answer, it is yes. They could have planned it a lot better to ensure a phased reopening of the schools, to make sure that not all kids returned to school at the same time and to give the schools far more funding and time to enforce more social distancing in the schools, but things were rushed and poorly coordinated unlike in Singapore. My friend Jack is a secondary school teacher in a small town just to the north of London - his school closed down just two weeks after it reopened because too many members of staff got infected by the students, one day the school just got totally overwhelmed when too many members of staff tested positive and there just weren't enough teachers to teach the students, there was a huge shortfall so they have absolutely no other option but to send the children home and just close the school! What a total shambles that was, because they could have totally seen this coming - it was not "unforeseen circumstances", it was exactly what we knew was going to happen but they still went ahead and got themselves into trouble regardless. Jack said that the staff at the school all saw this coming a mile away and the school should have never reopened since they were not ready at all. So teachers like Jack are totally furious at what happened, because he felt that the government were only thinking about how best to help the economy recover quickly and one key factor was to make sure that the parents could get back to work without worrying about childcare - that was why the schools were opened again for some kind of normalcy to return. The infection rate was not low enough for the schools to safely reopen, unlike in Singapore, where the reopening of the schools did not lead to a massive spike in cases. Fortunately, my friend Jack is still in his mid 30s so I'm not worried about him getting terribly sick with Covid-19, but he told me that he did have colleagues at the school who are a lot older and they are a lot more vulnerable than he is, they are a lot more fearful returning to work and they felt like the government just did not care if some teachers got sick and died as a result.
Q: Are the kids being made to wear face masks in school? Why are they being infected in school then?
A: The policy with masks in the UK is flawed in any case: children under the age of 11 are exempt from wearing face masks in the UK whilst in many countries in East Asia, children a lot younger than 11 are seen wearing masks in public. You wouldn't put a mask on a baby because the baby wouldn't understand why it has to wear a mask and thus try to tear it off as it feels uncomfortable. But at what age can you trust a child to keep a mask on because you've told them that they must wear it? In Singapore, that age is two - goodness me, even I think it is a big ask to explain to a two year old that they must keep a mask on but then again, clearly Singapore is winning the fight against Covid-19 whilst the UK is struggling to contain the situation, so clearly the government in the UK need to lower that age where masks are mandatory from 11 to much lower like Singapore. Just because younger children won't get very sick with Covid-19 doesn't mean that they are incapable of spreading the virus. The problem with children - particularly the younger ones - is that they don't understand the gravity of the situation. So when they're in a classroom, a teacher can easily spot a student who isn't wearing a mask properly, but given the student to teacher ratio, the teachers cannot catch every single student who doesn't wear a mask and I often see groups of young people in the UK socializing in public without any masks on. The problem is that they probably think they are invincible, that even if they do get infected they won't suffer much, they would barely notice and life would just go on - but what they don't realize is that they could become spreaders and bring the virus home to this parents, their grandparents and other members of their families. This is why I think the UK needs to do what Singapore is doing and stop exempting children under the age of 11 from wearing masks but even if you do change the law, then the question is how are you going to enforce it - are you going to have the mask police on every street corner in the UK, catching the people who break the law on face masks if there is mass disobedience then?
Q: Do you think you've had the virus?
A: Quite honestly, your guess is as good as mine. I don't know - without a test, I wouldn't know. We had this case where MP Alok Sharma was seen looking unwell in parliament, so he quickly took a test and it turned out to be negative. For the last seven months, every time I cough or sneeze, I think, that's it - this must be Covid-19. But as MP Sharma proved, it is possible to get the common cold and fall sick without being infected with Covid-19. A few weeks back I had a sore throat and once again I thought, that's it, I've got the Corona virus - but then again, I didn't have a fever, I didn't have a cough, I didn't lose my sense of smell or taste. The sore throat disappeared within like two days and I felt perfectly fine after that - given how the testing capacity is stretched to the limit in the UK at the moment, I decided against getting a test because I felt that the test should be left for those who are genuinely sick and have a fever and a persistent cough. I consulted a friend who is a doctor and she said I should get a test if I exhibited at least one of the symptoms for Covid-19, but given that a sore throat wasn't classified as a symptom of Covid-19 then I shouldn't bother trying to get a test. My friend Graham who did get Covid-19 talked about how it left him exhausted, struggling for breath, unable to work for weeks - he described how there were days when simply crawling out of bed to go to the toilet felt like it took so much effort. Yes he had all the symptoms of Covid-19 and he didn't even get tested - he called his doctor and his doctor said, "yup, you probably have it, even if you take a test, we will just send you home and tell you to self-isolate for 14 days but there's no cure for it, so just stay in bed, don't come to the hospital as you'll just spread it and there's really nothing we can do for you here." So ironically, Graham didn't even get tested and he has since recovered but it took him nearly two months to get over it and feel normal again. So touch wood, apart from that 48 hour long sore throat, I haven't felt ill at all during this entire period - certainly nothing like what Graham went through. I might have had it, but didn't show any symptoms at all.
Q: I am rather confused by the situation in the North of England where a lot of the Labour MPs there are opposing the government's proposals for stricter lock down measures to curb the spread of the virus in the North. What is going on here? Why are they against a second lock down or stricter measures when the infection rates in their areas are so high? Do they want to see more old people die in their areas - like don't they feel a sense of responsibility to protect the local population there?
A: This is a complex issue here that has often been exploited for political gain. For those of you not familiar with British politics, allow me to explain: the current government under Boris Johnson (our current prime minister) is Conservative, a right wing party but the vast majority of the areas that have been badly hit in this second wave have elected Labour mayors and MPs (the left wing party). So there's a sense of them simply criticizing the government no matter what they do because that's what Labour does whenever the Conservatives try to do anything. Did this government handle the Corona virus well? Hell no, quite unlike countries like New Zealand or Taiwan, the UK has made a total mess of the situation and has let it run out of control. Do they deserve to be criticized? Yes, of course they do! However, the Labour MPs are asking for the government to ease the restrictions on restaurants and pubs in order to save jobs in areas like Manchester and Liverpool - I actually think they are wrong and we need stricter rules, not a relaxation of the rules. In fact the strictest rules have come into force in Scotland where pubs and restaurants in the Central Belt (including the two big cities of Glasgow and Edinburgh) were closed for two weeks to stop the virus from spreading further. That's what you have to do when infection rates are skyrocketing - thus you have to ask the question: what do you want to save in such a situation, lives or jobs? If you choose lives, you close the pubs and restaurants. If you choose jobs, then you not only open the pubs and restaurants but you encourage people to go out and spend more money to revive the economy. Thus it seems ironic that Labour politicians would take a stance on this issue that would make them come across as pro-business as the Republicans in America; but there's a saying in Chinese for this: 唱反調 that literally means "to sing in the opposite key" and in this context, it means opposing for the sake of opposing. With this approach, the Labour politicians risk opposing what is a sensible and necessary measure to save lives during this second wave; they come across as unprincipled opportunists trying to score political points even during a crisis like this. The fact is they come from Labour safe seats - these areas will always vote Labour regardless, so what they are doing is just incredibly stupid.
One could even be a lot more cynical and say that these Labour politicians have accepted that the virus is going to sweep through their areas regardless of what the government does at this stage, that the virus is going to kill a lot more people regardless of what the government tries to do now; so they may as well use this as political capital and keep their local residents happy. After all, life was absolutely miserable during the lock down back in spring when so many restrictions were put on our lives: life did return to some kind of normalcy in the summer when infections rates were lower. A very cynical approach to the situation would be that the Labour politicians accept that things are going to get so bad that people like Grandma and Grandpa Colson are probably going to die anyway so let's just open the pubs, let the virus spread and kill off Grandma and Grandpa Colson - after all, dead people can't vote anyway. But the younger people who are not going to die from Covid-19 and are going to still be around to vote during the next election scheduled for 2024 are going to want to go out, see their friends, go to the pub and still have an active social life - thus these Labour politicians are actually considering the needs of these younger people and giving them exactly what they want whilst happily sacrificing people like Grandma and Grandpa Colson, throwing them under the bus by deliberately increasing the chances of them dying this winter. After all, Labour did suffer a crushing defeat at the last election despite the fact that they weren't up against a very strong Conservative party - thus this gives these Labour politicians the confidence to be real mavericks in this case, to do something completely unorthodox and usual in order to try to secure and consolidate their support during a crisis like this. That is why we have a left-wing party that is actually anti-lock down during a health emergency, it may seem paradoxical on the surface, but it does reveal just how utterly desperate the Labour party is at this stage - they are willing to try anything just to prevent being eliminated at the next elections. Unfortunately, the real losers are the British public because both Labour and Conservatives are equally useless and inept in the face of a crisis!
Where does this leave us? The situation we have on our hands is the result of a totally inept government that doesn't know how to get organized and take decisive action - if preventing a second wave was on the agenda, then they should have taken action months ago because we knew exactly what was going to happen the moment you open the schools and universities again just as the weather gets colder for autumn. So even if herd immunity was not a deliberate strategy on the part of the government, well that's exactly what is going to happen in the end given our high infection rates. I predict that many people will die, we'll get another lock down but things will work themselves out when we get to the point where there's literally no one left to infect, that's when we'll reach a new equilibrium and eventually, we will get a vaccine. What do you think? When will we get a vaccine? Is the UK, along with other countries, headed for a second lock down because of this second wave? Why are the poor being sacrificed and what can they do to protect themselves in a time like this? Is herd immunity the only solution we have? Is herd immunity such a bad option? Have you had the virus yet - have you had a test before and what was it like getting a test? Do leave a comment below and many thanks for reading.
I just had my mandatory covid testing last week since my university tests all undergrads every week and all graduate students monthly to hold in-person classes. Thankfully the test was free, which is rare in the US. They made me go to a special room on campus to pick up a test kit, where I had to login to a website portal, scan my test barcode, and do a zoom call with a nurse to make sure I did the test properly. I had to spit into a vial then put it in a biohazard bag to drop off at a collection point on campus, and got my results back in 3 days. I was negative.
ReplyDeleteThankfully, due to the school having a "no mask, no entry" policy on campus, 2m apart seating in all classrooms (we use big auditoriums for only 15 people), and regular testing, each week they only find 0.5% of the entire undergrad population is covid positive, and that number is stable and slightly going down.
But my university is one of the "Goldsmiths" of higher education instead of the typical "Colson" university. My school owns the largest hospital network in my city, so we have extra income from the healthcare industry and the infrastructure to test 7000 students weekly. We also have a low student to instructor ratio (7 to 1) so its not hard to keep 2m apart in classes since the class sizes are already small. Also my school has a lot of wealthy students who dont need to work driving for uber/delivering food just to make ends meet. And the school is also wealthy enough(billions in assets gives sizable investment income) to give need-based scholarships that pay for everything (tuition + housing + food) to the low income students we do admit. So no student, rich or poor, is catching the virus from being an essential worker.
The average university on the other hand cannot do mass testing, has too large class sizes and not enough classrooms, and cannot afford to pay its students enough not to work. For them the choices are to go fully-online, which risks losing students, or run in person classes anyway and risk outbreaks. In many cases universities started in person but had to switch to online when an outbreak started happening, like University of North Carolina. However there are rich schools who went fully online, like Harvard and MIT, because they will never risk losing students. If anyone dropped out, they can just pull from their waitlist, so going online was only natural to cut the costs of mass testing and risk their older faculty catching the virus.
You know I picked the name 'Goldsmith' because gold = wealth whilst 'Colson' = son of the coal miner, ie. very poor people. Sad but true, it's going to be horrendous here in the UK for the next few months, things are going to get real bad for the Colsons.
DeleteYes, very on point with the names. But its surprising that even in a country with universal healthcare there is still health inequality. Though the situation is just bad overall, and money helps a lot but not everyone has it.
DeleteOh our NHS (national health service) is brilliant but has its limits I'm afraid - they can't do much about the living conditions when 3 generations live together. Property prices are rising at a rate where people like the Colson family simply cannot even afford to rent accommodation to make sure the grandparents are not under the same roof as the grandchildren, never mind buy a new house the way the Goldsmiths have. We have heard horrific stories of families where the grandparents are literally confined to their bedrooms and are scared even to use the only toilet in the house because of the grandchildren who may have the virus. They know that even if they do get sick, they go to the hospital and they may not get the treatment they require if the hospital is so full with sick patients that they end up just dying in the waiting room - that's what we had back in spring when the hospitals were totally overwhelmed in some poorer parts of the country.
DeleteI would assume in London they can move patients to less full hospitals. But I guess that isnt feasible to transfer many sunderland patients to different towns, though France did convert its high speed trains to inter-city transport to move around patients.
DeleteLol so a lot of poorer British people live like Asians where the married adults still live with their parents. Hmm how does Sweden avoid this? I heard the virus has spread a lot there, but not to the level of America since many Swedes live alone. In America we have had more outbreaks among poor minorities since they not only have 3 generations under one roof, but must also share a subdivided house with 2 other families in some places like San Francisco. Then again it surprizes me Hong Kong hasnt had a major outbreak despite their subdivided flats.
Btw is it really true London is great but the rest of the UK is quite poor? In America everything is more decentralized with many cities being hubs for different industries. But in the UK I mostly only hear about London and maybe Southampton(Farnborough air show) or Manchester.
A big city like London has a lot more hospital capacity - it is a massive city of 9.3 million whereas a town like Sunderland has a population of 340,000 so there are far fewer hospitals, fewer hospital beds, fewer doctors etc. It is very easy for a small town like that to be overwhelmed by a sudden surge of patients whereas in a big city like London, we have the resources to cope better.
DeleteThis myth about buying a house when you get married to start a new life is a luxury for rich people - you gotta have enough money to get a mortgage or even start paying rent for your own apartment. The thing about Sweden (since you asked) is that they have very, very low population density - the entire population of Sweden is just 10 million but spread over an area the size of California (well Sweden is still 11% bigger than California). The population of California is 40 million and growing so it gives you an idea of just how empty Sweden is - as a consequence, land is plentiful and cheap. Can't buy a house in the city? Public transport is great, as long as you're an hour outside the city (get the train, bus etc) and property prices drop dramatically in the countryside, so even someone on a low wage can live on their own even if that means a modest home outside town. This boils down to population density of course.
And as for your last question - the short answer is YES the rest of the UK is so extremely poor whilst London is the rich capital city subsidizing the rest of the country. Of course there are pockets of rich areas outside London but by and large the rest of the country is desperately poor compared to London! For the longer answer, I recommend this video which I have used a lot in my blog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhTVVXrn_AA&t=166s
Oh I didn't realize the North of England didn't have its own regional hub for healthcare. The city where I'm in only has 500,000 people, but we have a huge healthcare industry that attracts people from out of the city and state. I guess this is because of your last answer about London being great and the rest of the UK being very far off. Hmm, that makes me think your Russell Group of 24 universities isn't as evenly distributed in terms of wealth/power as the top 30 universities in the US. In the US some towns may be small or medium sized, but have a decent standard of living due to one of the wealthy universities being located there (e.g Durham, North Carolina, population 275k, but Duke University and their hospital and medical school is located here).
DeleteBtw I have a cousin whose husband is very wealthy, but they still live at his parents house in Indonesia while having 3 kids, even though they could comfortably buy their own house. So in Asia it really is a choice to be close to their parents. I think some ordinary people outside of London may buy their own house though. I know someone in Liverpool who said he could rent a huge house easily for only $1k pounds/month. But that isn't an option for Colson type families in London.
The north of England doesn't do regional hubs for healthcare (I'm not sure what you mean by that concept) - the population of central Manchester is about 600,000 and for Liverpool it is 550,000 and for Leeds about 475,000. These are decent sized cities but nothing on the scale of London. So what you have are hospitals scattered all over the North of England rather than having one central "hub" - that just doesn't make sense, you have local hospitals for local areas.
DeleteMind you, my sister moved out with her husband as she could afford it and she really didn't want to live with the grandparents - she barely tolerates her own parents and her in-laws, the massive generation gap makes it very, very hard for people of our generation to get along with our parents but perhaps that's a Singapore thing. You see, I'm the first generation to be educated entirely in English and speak English as a first language whilst our parents' generation generally would speak their Asian mother tongues as their first language - hence the super huge generation gap. I think both my sister and I really, really wanted to get the hell away from our parents and lead more independent lives the moment we were old enough.
But what many people don't realize is that we have a major issue with inequality in the UK - you have some very rich people in London and then there's the rest of the country with areas that are hopelessly, desperately poor. But of course, nobody thinks about the poor until something like Covid-19 brings the issue of inequality up again then we are reminded of just how many poor people there are in the UK.
DeleteRegional hub for healthcare usually just means there is at least one large medical center in each part of the country(a few general hospitals, a children's hospital, at least one medical school and one biomedical research center, plus various scattered clinics). And people in the surrounding area (even other states) would visit that medical center for any serious medical needs. So if you're a bright young doctor/medical researcher in America, there is a wide range of cities you can go to besides New York or L.A where you can make a decent living. I would assume the University of Manchester would fulfill this role in the Northwest of England, since it has 40k students and its own medical school and hospital. But since the UK has a single payer system and already a lopsided distribution of good jobs and rich people, I guess it wouldn't make business sense in the short term for the University of Manchester to develop its own facilities to rival London's hospitals.
DeleteAlthough both the UK and US are highly capitalistic, the US has a more decentralized form of capitalism where hospitals and universities will invest money to attract rich people from outside of their state, which has the effect of spreading wealth around and developing healthcare infrastructure (though it is still highly unequal within that city, its just less unequal between different cities/regions).
What do you think is a good solution to raising the standard of living in parts of the UK that are not London?
DeleteJust as some for comparison, HK has some 40+ public hospitals and a few other privates ones serving a population of 7.4 million. Not sure how that compared to London. Even SG with its 5.7 million population has only 9 public hospitals to cover the entire country.
DeleteAmanda, it's not like there are no hospitals in Manchester - there are, but it is a question of capacity. If they are run like profit making businesses in the hands of the private sector (as in the case of the US) then it's a different story as it would be a different business model. Under normal circumstances, when there isn't a global pandemic, the capacity of the hospitals are just fine, but when Covid-19 hits hard, these hospitals will become overwhelmed quite easily. Since these hospitals are government funded, they have a choice of either:
Deletea) have a lot more capacity (hospital beds, staff, equipment, ambulances etc) knowing that a high percentage of this capacity will be left idle during normal times when there aren't that many patients
b) have a lower capacity, knowing that the population would be okay during normal time but if a pandemic hits, thousands will die as the hospitals get overwhelmed.
The government in the UK has gone for option B in order to slash public spending and our very, very high death rates from Covid-19 is a reflection of that. So perhaps as a scientist, you're thinking about the issue from the point of view of "what is the best way to organize healthcare" but as someone in banking, I can see the government's point of view which is "how can we spend the bare minimum on healthcare and still get away with it".
As for raising standards of living and dealing with inequality in the UK, there's little will from the general public for that. It's really only those on the left of the political divide who are protesting against inequality in the UK, those in the center and the right have the attitude, "I have money because I have a job, I earn my money by going to work, this is honest hard-earned money, if there are lazy people who are poor because they don't work hard, well screw them - that's their problem, why should it be my problem if they are so freaking lazy?" You could call this attitude unsympathetic and perhaps I am guilty of that as well because I came from a poor family, yet I managed to make something of myself so I'm like, if I can do it, what's your excuse? Why are you still poor? On paper, I could suggest so many ways to help the poor and raise the standards of living but what's the point when the general attitude here is "screw the poor, they're poor because they're lazy, it's their own fault, I have zero sympathy for them, let them suffer, if they die of Covid-19, tough shit I won't shed any tears. Let them die."
Choaniki: I found this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:NHS_hospitals_in_London but it includes some quite specialist eye clinics for some reason! But I refer you to the choice as outlined above - the government has clearly chosen option B.
DeleteI used to think if people are poor they should find a way to get educated and make something of themselves. But although there are many well paid jobs even when the CEO is rich (e.g Microsoft and Bill Gates), there are many more jobs that society depends on which dont pay a lot while the rich CEO makes billions (e.g Amazon and Jeff Bezos). This is inequality within a city/region though, as where there are rich people there will also be poor retail and ecommerce workers to serve them. There should be a better minimum wage, but until then even if everyone works hard there will still be some people who have to live in poverty because they didnt beat others to the better jobs, since these are limited.
DeleteThe thing we were speaking about was inequality between cities/regions though. I guess in your case when you say "work hard" you mean people should leave their city to find better opportunities if none are around. As a fellow economic migrant I agree and have no qualms about moving around, but it does take some startup money. You received a scholarship for undergrad at UCL, while I received a scholarship for gradschool in America. This isnt available to most people. Although people should work hard, it wont matter much if there arent more opportunities.
To be fair though... I grew up with a dad with the same "if you're born poor it isnt your fault. But if you die poor it is" attitude, and I know to keep a well paid job I cant be lazy. Dad and some of my mentors would tell me to go study even if I was doing well in school because "the real world will not tell you what need to do to succeed." But some of my colleagues from very humble backgrounds dont have that attitude. And they struggle because they only do the bare minimum of what school tells them to do. Well paid jobs dont work this way, they depend on constant innovation and ideas instead of "may I take your order?" type behavior. That reminds me of your post with that waitress who knew how to make smalltalk with customers. She was creative, and not just repeating her behavior everyday. That initiative would take her very far in better paid jobs, and I'm surprized she isnt in one already, whilst some scientist or bankers cant even understand that concept of creative initiative yet.
Well you then need to consider social mobility - is it possible for someone who is born poor to become rich in this country? I could write a lot about it but it is a topic that I have already covered in other blog posts.
Delete@Amanda the no.1 indicator of a successful business is rich parents. Too lazy to find the source but you can Google it. Even Donald Trump depended on his dad for a 100m loan.
DeleteWith reports of Covid reinfections happening among previously recovered people, it is possible herd immunity might not even be viable...
ReplyDeleteLet's look at the case study of Sweden to see if their infection rates do stay low this winter - we don't know enough about reinfections yet; so for example, is it only a small % of patients who have been reinfected a second time? Or is it close to 100%? If it's only a lower % like 10% who can get reinfected a second time whilst 90% develop a natural immunity after their first infection, well herd immunity is still possible at that rate - it won't be as fast if immunity is 100% after the first infection. We need to be guided by the science.
DeleteRight on all of the points above - being a single mother allows you to get on the council housing waiting list and it moves you up the waiting list a lot faster, but that's a bit cynical. To become a young mother, it means putting your career on hold as you go through pregnancy and then having to care for a baby (which is a massive undertaking). I suppose if you're a poorly educated working class woman faced with a dead-end job that you hate, then you have little to lose by becoming a mother and then living off benefits. But if you're a well educated middle class woman with career opportunities, then you put off child bearing till you're in a better position to become a mother (such as when you have a stable family environment with your spouse to share out childcare responsibilities so as to enable you to return to work) whilst you pursue those opportunities in your 20s.
ReplyDeleteThere is far less stigma about having a child out of wedlock in the UK, compared to Singapore for example. And if I may make point, just because council housing is available doesn't mean you'll always get it - there's a long waiting list and it is a matter of supply & demand, the government are not building enough so just because you qualify for it doesn't mean you'll instantly get it: your name is merely added to the waiting list. Like Sandra said, having a baby would move you up the waiting list but that's it - it doesn't even guarantee that just because you're higher up the waiting list that they will hand you the keys to your new home next week. It's not that easy, especially in very poor areas where the supply of council homes is simply not enough to keep pace with the number of poor people on the waiting list.
Things are a mess in the UK, any surprise there? I think not.
The key thing is whether or not one has children - I don't, I never will and thus I enjoy living in the middle of a big city like London. Whereas if you wanna bring up children, then you'll move out to the commuter belt where you can have a bigger house to bring up a family and perhaps that's something Sandra will contemplate in due course when she starts a family?
ReplyDeleteOh I totally get rich countryside areas and commuting as I grew up in one of those places in Indonesia and had to spend a 1 hour commute just to get to school everyday. My parents definitely moved out of the city because they wanted a bigger house to raise kids. The only issue was the lack of large hospitals, and we usually had to drive into the city to access healthcare. Though in America there is such a thing as "on call" doctors who will drive to your house within 2 hours. Dunno if the UK has this, but likely not since it is a very expensive capitalistic service (200 dollars consultation fee, not including medicine).
ReplyDeleteHmm I did not realize that the UK gov has been slashing public funding lately so the NHS has very low capacity. The US may have expensive healthcare, but we have so much idle capacity my city's hospitals were never overwhelmed during covid. I once went to one of the private clinics owned by my university and omg compared to the very barebones polyclinics I've been to in Sg, an American clinic looks like a freaking luxury hotel! The waiting room was huge, there was a very short waiting time, and the floors were even marble like a 5 star hotel. They even had their own scanning machines and diagnostic labs. I only paid 20 bucks for the visit because my university owned the clinic, but without insurance I would've been billed 200 dollars just to see the doctor(not including medicines and tests). In comparison, the crowded and small polyclinics in Sg would only charge max 30 usd for a consult fee, and one could wait an hour just to see the doctor due to long lined, they dont do scans/testing, and the floors certainly arent marble. Sure its expensive, but there is so much idle capacity simply because the hospitals have a monetary incentive to improve the service experience for their rich customers
Doctors driving to your house? OK you're rich. No even when we have gymnasts falling and having bad injuries at the gym, we call a taxi/uber and take them to the nearest A&E and get them seen at a hospital rather than calling a doctor to visit. If you have some kind of medical insurance that covers that, then fair enough, use it but otherwise in the UK we tend to just visit the hospitals in serious cases or use local clinics. The only person I knew who had a doctor visit his daughter at home was a French expat who didn't trust English doctors and would pay a French doctor (who lives in London and makes a good living from the French expatriate community) to do a house visit - but then again, they're super rich so it's not a problem for them.
ReplyDeleteBut the UK government is so broke - it's constantly running at a deficit with a long list of things to repair, to fund to save etc and whilst you have the booming London/south-east England area that is rich, you have the rest of the country rotting away - so the UK is a lot poorer than you have imagined and previous governments have spent a lot of money that they don't have by getting into more and more debt and in order to balance the books (rather than just go bankrupt) they have had to slash public spending during the recession. The difference between the UK and US is the funding of hospitals - in the UK it is the government paying the bills, in the US it is the private sector who are running it through the medical insurance schemes. Private hospitals do exist in the UK and they are more like the posh clinic you have described but they are for the rich.
I'm not rich but my uni is, and they make me use their hospitals and clinics to cut on healthcare costs (left pocket to right pocket). But they shouldnt be that luxurious since they are a "nonprofit private" hospital, yet they are. The issue with america is that there are only luxury options. Because its more profitable to open a luxury clinic for rich people than to open an affordable barebones clinic for poor people. So we have lots of capacity and a lower covid death rate than the UK, but many poor people without health insurance leave the hospital with 6 figure medical debts.
ReplyDeleteOh man the UK is becoming like Greece. Generous welfare in the good times, but no saving for the bad times. I did talk to a British physiotherapist in Singapore and he hated the NHS because he felt he paid lots of money into the system but didnt get much back, at least compared to buying private health insurance in Singapore. In this case I actually prefer Singapore's healthcare system over the US and UK. The UK is single payer, the US is totally capitalistic and unregulated, while Sg is somewhere in between. Granted that just means healthcare wise the middle class is better off in Sg, while the poor are better off in the UK, and the rich are better off in the US (luxury options everywhere!).
Btw I have seen a Goldsmith vs Colson situation in action lately. My sister works at a hospital near to our neighborhood which is located far away from the city center with mostly wealthy residents. And even while the New York Times was reporting crowded hospitals and mobile morgues in the downtown area of the city, where residents are poorer, my sister's hospital didnt have a single covid patient in their very empty A&E. I'm surprized hospitals dont transfer patients, unless that is risky because covid can infect people along the way.
Well there are many aspects of the British system which are seriously messed up, like man, it's so messed up that it is depressing to talk about it. But there are other things in London which I do like, which are admirable and I have found success & happiness in this city. So we take the good with the bad, we look at the bigger picture without focusing on just one issue. What I like about a big city like London is the sheer amount of opportunities for someone like me here - I was in a conversation with this guy today afternoon, he was trying to lure me away from my company and offer me a new job. I was very flattered so I spent a while talking to him (without any real intention of taking his offer seriously, but I felt flattered nonetheless) - this can only happen in a place like London because it is such a major financial center. So things like that keep me here, even if our healthcare system isn't well run and we clearly have a lot of other problems here in this country.
DeleteYeah, thats life, can't have it all, but for every bad thing there must be something good. I sorta miss the big city, more sports and social activities available, more people and jobs available (if you have a well-paid unique skill). Ahh you got headhunted! It does feel flattering haha.
DeleteI'm thinking of moving to Boston or San Francisco after finishing my PhD. Its common for graduates of our lawschool to move to New York, but dunno about our engineering graduates. Btw Alex, would you suggest moving to a city before finding jobs, or finding jobs from afar? I've only had 2 jobs in my life and I was already in the city with some network from university, so I wouldn't know.
There is no right or wrong answer to that question Amanda. I picked London because I was attracted to the bright lights and the promise of a really fun lifestyle living in one of the world's most cosmopolitan cities with a great culture - the jobs came much later but I knew at the back of my mind that it was possible to find good work one way or another in this big city. However! Most of my other friends have done it the other way around - they find the job first then they move to the new city knowing that they have a good job waiting for them there and that they're not going to bark up the wrong tree like Vera; she moved to London only to be poor and struggling in London, things didn't work out for her.
DeleteWell yes of course I am familiar with all the reasons why you like London, that's precisely why I have made London my home as well :)
ReplyDeleteFYI, getting a negative test result for Covid-19 doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't have the virus. There have been cases of people testing negative but actually having the virus, and sometimes are still infectious. https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/21502495/covid-19-testing-false-negative-presymptomatic
ReplyDeleteHere's a local case of a boy who had a high fever, but had three negative test results before finally testing positive. https://mothership.sg/2020/03/covid-19-family-quarantine/
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DeleteLook, I'm not a scientist, nor am I a doctor - I'm far more interested in the social impact of the virus on the economy, on the lives of ordinary people, on society in general rather than to split hairs about this study or that study etc - you're asking me to look at ONE very specific case and I'm just gonna shrug my shoulders and say, whoopee, so that's one case involving one family, I'm really not interested in what goes on in that family - it is not relevant to me. I'm sure you can find some forum online where you will find others who want to split hairs with you over this issue and you can chat with them all night there - I'm not interested in the slightest, not at all. You're totally barking up the wrong tree here!
DeleteThe point was to say that there will be people out there who test negative but actually have the virus, due to the nature of the test itself. The family was only an example of the test failing to detect cases, that's all. The social impact of that will be that those who falsely test negative could also be spreading the virus undetected, especially if they don't think they have it in the first place.
DeleteI used to work on a research project to develop quicker skin cancer tests. There are no perfect tests. Instead each government will approve a test provided they meet a certain low threshold for false positives and false negatives. This is not really news unless the false negative or false positive rate is a very high number, say 5-10% (it should be <1% for tests that have been refined over many decades).
DeleteThere are statistical strategies to reduce the number of false positives/negatives by using many different tests, where a test with a high false positive rate would cancel out a test with high false negative rate. However, more tests means more time and money, and inevitably governments have to make a tradeoff between fast testing and more accurate testing.