Lex pointed out to me that it is fairly common for older folks to become irritable, grouchy and difficult (or even downright obnoxious) - certainly, my parents do fit into that category but by that token, they are hardly unusual. The Integrity vs Despair theory does go a long way to explain why so many old people are the way they are - in a recent post, I did talk about an old man I witnessed recently have a major rant at a supermarket about everything from the way supermarkets have changed to the way the society has changed and immigration to politicians: in short, things were better in the good old days when he was a young man. He didn't like change and it made him feel alienated in a world where young people are glued to their mobile devices and we interacted with machines in a supermarket. Some people do fear change because they are unable to keep up with the many changes - a lot of it boils down to whether or not one feels prepared to deal with these changes and if they don't, well they just become grumpy old men.
In the case of the supermarket, I remember that supermarket used to have only five cashiers and whilst I liked the products there, I used to dread queuing up for ages just to pay for my groceries. Since they have introduced the self-checkout machines which take up far less space, the queuing time has dropped dramatically since there are now ten self-checkout machines and they are easy enough to use. This old man clearly wasn't prepared to learn how to use the machine, so he would rather the supermarket got rid of them and went back to the old system despite that meant much longer waiting times. By that token, you've got to feel sorry for him - it doesn't take a degree in electronic engineering to scan a bar code at those machines, seriously, even a five year old child could do it. He must have such low self-esteem to be intimidated by such a machine for no other reason that it is something new that didn't exist when he was younger. Thus his refusal to learn how to use that machine at the supermarket was hardly a rational one.
I suppose the one person who could have put some soft pressure on them to embrace new things would have been myself - but the moment I left Singapore in 1997, I was no longer in a position to encourage or influence them. My two sisters are quite different in character from me, if my parents didn't want to do something like use computers, they would just leave them be knowing that it would be an uphill battle to try to change their minds. In fact, my father has been ridiculously stubborn when it comes to two things in his life: firstly, because he was born and raised in British Malaya, he hates the British and refuses to learn/speak English. Secondly, he also refuses to have anything to do with modern technology. Being unable to speak English competently or use modern technology has put him at a serious disadvantage in Singapore today, Now I don't think my dad is stupid at all, quite the contrary, yet he is often his own worst enemy given how stubborn he can be. He simply chooses to ignore any kind of evidence that is contrary to the views he already holds. Believe me, trying to deal with someone as stubborn as that can be immensely frustrating.
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My dad refuses to use the internet. |
Let me give you an example. When we had our big quarrel last month, he said that if I had gone to a Chinese-medium school (ie. where Mandarin was the primary language of instruction and English was taught only as a second/foreign language) like he did, then I would not have this kind of attitude towards my parents and he blames the English-education system for my attitude. I had remind him that Chinese-medium schools were phrased out in 1976 - the year I was born so that was never an option unless he was prepared to send me away to be educated somewhere like Taiwan or China (which was never talked about - he was quite happy to send me to a local school and be educated in English). Ironically, it was the first time he had voiced any objections to the English-medium education system in Singapore and had often defended it, but I found it worrying that even I remember events (such as the phasing out of Chinese-medium education in Singapore) a lot better than him these days.
I don't think it is the responsibility of the school to teach children how to respect their parents - rather, the buck stops with the parents, if you want your children to respect you, then you jolly well bring them up right and teach them so. But if something does go wrong along the way and your children do not respect you, then the harsh reality is that you have failed in that aspect of parenting and you should accept responsibility for that rather than blame a third party (such as the education system or modern society). The most ludicrous part of the whole situation is that I think my father is retrospectively rejecting things that are relatively new in his life - he's already rejected all forms of modern technology post-2000 and now he's slowly working his way back to the 1970s and even rejecting things that were introduced in 1976. Given that he was born in 1938, he will probably keep on working backwards and reject things from the 1960s and even the 1950s as well for no other reason than it was not available during his childhood. Oh dear.
So in the integrity vs despair model, I'm afraid my parents have definitely slipped into despair mode. Lex explained it as, "they have failed at something personally significant, and they are out of time to make a second attempt." I could probably hazard a guess as to what they may feel they have failed at but my guess is probably as good as yours because my parents never talk about their feelings and even if they do feel some sense of regret, they will never express it openly (certainly not to me). I remember once when I was about 12 years old, my parents had a quarrel and my father said something about my mother's stubborn attitude to me. Trying to help the situation, I went to tell my mother what my father said and she just burst out crying because she felt that my father should have never shared his feelings with his children and embarrassed her like that. Oh dear. I thought my father confided in me because he wanted me to help - perhaps he just needed someone to talk to. I think that was the last time they ever shared any of their personal feelings with me. No, Asian parents never talk about their feelings. Regardless, I can see the evidence of their 'despair' and I can see how this has turned them into grumpy old people who resent anything unfamiliar.
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My parents bottle up their feelings. |
So what do you think? Am I over-simplifying the situation with this 'answer'? Or am I doing the opposite by over-analyzing a simple situation? Do you have elderly relatives who are equally grumpy and grouchy? Is turning into a grouchy old grump inevitable - how do we grow old gracefully with integrity then? Given our ageing population, this issue is going to be ever more pertinent to our society. Do let me know what you think. Many thanks for reading.
Fancy seeing Erikson's stages of psychosocial development here. I studied it in basic psychology modules. LIFT you can google his whole theory if you are interested. The only caveat is that no one theory can fit the entire population or explain all behaviours.
ReplyDeleteWell I do like that theory very much. It does explain a lot and I'm so glad I have such great readers who can enlighten me thus.
DeleteHow are the Brits in general?
ReplyDeleteWhen i was in Europe 20 years ago, i was impressed at the vitality of some of the old folks - climbing mountains doing sport etc
Do u find many such sprightly old chaps or do they tend to sit around at home, watch the telly and moan? 😆
Hi Lex. I think it varies - with every country, you will have a range of older folks on the full spectrum of integrity to despair. My mother in law is in her 80s and very active, yet she still displays some frustrating characteristics (ie. she never ever listens to anyone and it's not a question of her hearing, she hears but never listens). I wonder what it is with old folks - it's not a question of "oh get a hearing aid", like if only that was so simple to solve. Elderly folks just don't give a damn about anyone else and can't be asked to listen to anyone so they ignore everyone else. That makes it frighteningly difficult to deal with them.
DeleteSo to answer your question, you have all types in Europe, from the sprightly old chaps to those who watch TV and moan all day.
iPhone - As a user, it made sense to own it due to its ease of use and simple abstractions of complicated features. As a developer, stupid App store review policy is such a pain to do full device testing.
ReplyDeleteWell, I finally have one! Any suggestions as to which are the best apps I should get? And no, I refuse to play Pokemon go. I've tried it on someone else's phone and I really don't see the attraction.
DeleteAll you need is all the apps that came with iOS. Practically, try not to use it for games that contains DLC, or you risk a chance of having all the DLC automatically uploaded to your backup on iCloud, incurring massive data charges.
DeleteI'm not a huge fan of of Erikson. A theory that explains everything explains nothing.
ReplyDeleteIf I am not mistaken, there are 3 predominant theories of aging. The one that I (mostly) adhere to is called the "Continuity Theory". This theory essentially suggests that older adults often maintain their activities, behavior, personality, and relationships as they did during their earlier years.
In other words, older people do not really change as they age, but become more of what they have always been.
Well Dave, think about people like me who are frustrated, confused and desperate to understand why our aged parents are being so incredibly difficult to please when they were not like that say 20 years ago.
DeleteAll I can say is that when one is desperately searching for answers, then a theory like that does seem convenient. What is the alternative then? To believe that my parents are being so difficult because they plain hate me? (I have believed that for years - you can see the appeal of this theory then when I compare the 2.)
When I Am Old.
ReplyDeleteWhen I am an old woman I shall wear purple
With a red hat that doesn't go, and doesn't suit me,
And I shall spend my pension
on brandy and summer gloves
And satin sandals,
and say we've no money for butter.
I shall sit down on the pavement when I am tired,
And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells,
And run my stick along the public railings,
And make up for the sobriety of my youth.
I shall go out in my slippers in the rain
And pick the flowers in other people's gardens,
And learn to spit.
You can wear terrible shirts and grow more fat,
And eat three pounds of sausages at a go,
Or only bread and pickle for a week,
And hoard pens and pencils and beer mats
and things in boxes.
But now we must have clothes that keep us dry,
And pay our rent and not swear in the street,
And set a good example for the children.
We will have friends to dinner and read the papers.
But maybe I ought to practise a little now?
So people who know me
are not too shocked and surprised,
When suddenly I am old
and start to wear purple!
Jenny Joseph When I am old .. I shall wear purple!
LIFT, your dad sounds exactly like mine. He laments the fact that I identify with "Western" ideals and am not interested in Chinese traditions. He once had this huge rant about how people who send sms-es do not sign off their names at the end of the message (I tried explaining to him that most people store numbers in their phone, but he refused to accept it). He keeps trying to convince us how only Chinese songs from the 50s was considered "real music". It can be very frustrating to deal with really.
ReplyDeleteWell, it's a lot easier for me to accept this version of events, ie. "the grumpy old folks" theory rather than just assume that my parents are so difficult because they just plain hate me.
DeleteHee hee, my dad isn't like that as much as my siblings - their 70s/80s rock and roll was the best
DeleteRap Sucks, Latin sucks... etc
I think thats proof its just behavior people pick up (unpleasant circumstances mix with wrong crowd etc)
our angst stems of instinctive self blame: we think that others crabby behavior is a response to something we did or said...
well...
If u have made a million different attempts and they don't change then u know its
in actual fact its ONLY a reflection of their character
Still in doubt?
Check also how they respond to others...
unless u see a dramatic difference...
its not you.
Sigh. Lex, at least your dad speaks English. My dad plain refuses to do so, how is he going to understand the vast majority of the things that go on in my world? But heck, even as I try to explain such things to him in Mandarin, does he even try to listen a little?
DeleteI spoke to my family on Skype over the weekend. The only thing that my dad engaged me in was a conversation about ping pong. You see, that's one thing that existed when he was a child, that he likes, that he gets, he understands. I try to take away the positives: he bought my nephew a ping pong table and will play with him, that's good for the both of them. But for me it's like, dad, I'm 40, yeah I may have a ping pong table too and I play it sometimes with my friends, but there are other more exciting things happening in my life, with my work these days you know ... But he only focuses on the things he understands, the rest which are too foreign, he chooses to ignore. Which is why I often say that my readers know me better than my own parents. Go figure.
Right, he doesn't recognise your achievements, any of your merits. Doesn't even try! He only recognises what's convenient FOR HIM.
DeleteSo conversations with him suck your energy, its damn hard for you to get him to give u any
response as much as you try, even above and beyond your duty as a son! That's your death by a thousand cuts.
To a degree my dad can be like this, with that said your dad makes him look lile a saint by comparison!
And between the 2 of us, i think a common irritant is that it is generally taboo to discuss "conflicts amongst kin" They flinch and change the topic.
(until they get serious grief... then they call me... hahaha - human hypocrisy for you)
How the hell do i solve or at least have closure about something i can't discuss rationally?
With some people it get worse; they say
"Be fillial"
"Just let it be"
"Respect your elders"
"Your mother is your first God" (most fucked up statement i had ever heard IMO)
Mind you i don't go moaning and groaning to everyone - i sought advice from people i thought sensible, INCLUDING supposedly trained experts like counselors/psychologists
To my shock these experts still cling to this 'submit to elders without question' belief
The taboo held so strong even their training did not 'overwrite' it
i'm all for respecting and sacrificing for people especially family. I don't believe in pandering to self absorbed or abusive assholes
What is the point of family if its set up to diminish you?
Hi Lex. Can I adopt you as a new best friend please? You are brilliant when it comes to understanding my situation and I need more people like you in my life. You have such a wonderful gift of empathy. Seriously, you're such a wonderful person. I wanna be your good friend, please.
DeleteI think you totally get what I am going through - this death by a thousand paper cuts. Like seriously, in 2016, I think my number one achievement is to relaunch myself into the world of banking by getting a great job in corporate finance whilst still acting. How many bankers have filmed in Hungary and Germany this year? I think that's my greatest achievement, to straddle two completely different industries and that goes to show just how diverse my skillsets are. My readers know that - my parents don't seem to even realize what I do for a living. For example:
"I was filming in Berlin last week - I'm doing a German film!"
Them: "You take leave izzit? Your boss let you go? What about your work?"
"My boss is very impressed with the fact that I am getting such good acting work in Germany."
Them "but you go Germany for a few days, who do your work?"
"I actually responded to urgent emails and calls whilst in Germany and I have a team in London I can hand stuff over to when I am abroad.
Them "they don't mind meh? Sounds very inconvenient."
ZERO acknowledgement, zero joy, nothing. My German friends are like, "holy shit, you're filming on the Marlene Dietrich Hall at Babelsberg studio? That's where some of the most iconic German films are made! Kiss the wall for me!" It gets to the point where I'm like, you know what, screw you if you don't give a shit about what I do, I can't be asked to impress you when I have friends who are willing to feel happy for me.
You know Lex, one more thing that pisses me off - I think my parents are ignorant beyond belief and I can accept that they're not highly educated like people from our generation, but what pisses me off is the fact that they are unapologetic about being so ignorant. I remember watching a reality TV and this idiot mispronounced a French word and I immediately showed such disdain, "how ignorant - that's French!" But what about my own father who can't/won't even speak English? If these two people were not my parents, I think I would totally despise them. Sometimes I experience that when I hear them speak and I brush those feelings aside because something in me says, "they're your parents, be nice" but another part of me says, "they are freaking terrible examples as parents and were and still are terrible parents because they say the most inappropriate things. I don't expect them to be intelligent but at least stop being so unapologetic for your shortcomings. Show some freaking humility for crying out aloud - there's nothing worse than a fool being unapologetic for his faults. I've met so many great people who are totally humble and gracious."
Wow! First let me say im stunned at ur (time and) energy management - banking AND acting and u r also raising a family yea? And writing a blog?
Deletei would happy to be an attentive listener if u will share with me ur productivity strategy! I did a course of method acting this year - didnt finish it
couldnt juggle my work and other things all at once
Come to think of it i will probably be in London 2-3 days sometime between the 8th of March to 20th March - maybe u can show me one or 2 places of interest say a historical pub or 2 that isn't in the tourist books. Would love to meet the Singaporean communities there as well if ya involved with them
No I am not raising a family!!! Suffice to say that after the childhood I had, I never ever wanted to be a parent because the thought of falling out with one's child after bringing up the child... well.
DeleteAnd yes I'm happy to meet - no I don't even know a single S'porean here. I know some Malaysians though.
DeleteAlrite mate PM u later in the week
Deletegotta cfm my schedule then let ya know
My grandfather is very grumpy. He oftens thinks that all his children are unfilial. When there is a big family gathering, he would grumble at everyone and complain about his children (and sometimes grandchildren). It's very strange.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I've noticed about older folks in Singapore is that there are some people are afraid to travel out of their comfort zones. They don't dare to leave the house and will only do so if their children pick them up from their homes. I think it's the inability to keep up with the vast change in Singapore and the fear of going to places that change all the time.
Hi PP. Oh dear. What I really wanna find out is this: is this grumpiness more or less inevitable when one gets old? If so, then I won't be so hard on my parents then I'll just accept that as "oh well, this happens when you get old". But if you ask me if I will become like that when I grow old? Definitely not. Good grief. I intend to grow old gracefully and become a cool, foxy, older man that people will enjoy being around because believe it or not, nobody likes a grumpy old man. It does not endear you to anyone.
DeleteInterestingly enough, I spoke to a good friend whose parents ran a nursing home for old folks here in England - so he was like, yup, the vast majority of old folks do become extremely grumpy and at the nursing home, they fought tooth and nail with each other, hated each other intensely and made each other utterly miserable. I recoiled with horror as he told me some of the worst stories about the old folks who were like near death but still went out of their way to spew their toxic hatred at each other (and everything else) - it's like, oh my, you're about to die and yet you're so bitter and grumpy? How bloody awful. I swear I'll be at least a peaceful, zen and graceful old man when I am very old.
Hey PP - i have maybe half an explanation
DeleteIt seems that some of the elderly have trouble navigating a city as they spent their formative years pretty rooted in a small village
travel was by nature slow and even dangerous
since there were only mud roads and frequent
they rarely had surplus money for bus or train fare
so being in a city for some old folks its sort of like u or me being parachuted into the jungle
Get this: In Malaysia the local aboragines are able to navigate the jungle with ease without maps!
Bloody incredible!
In contrast the Singaporean citizen soldier (all of us) has to check his map and compass during jungle training