Puppet wrote: This is similar to our attitude towards NS. The PAP will always claim that NS is a necessary evil, but that is irrelevant when we make decisions (to immigrate, for example) as individuals. Unfortunately, Singaporeans are unable to stand up for our own interests, as you have pointed out in your 27 Dec 2012 post.
I wrote: I think you have raised a very good point about NS. I don't think I can do that topic justice here, so if I may ask for your patience please, I will do a post for you on the issue, okay?
So - here's the long overdue reply for Puppet as promised. Let's discuss if NS is a necessary evil: indeed there are many countries around the world where national service is a fact of life. From South Korea to Taiwan to Israel - NS is more common than you think. Nonetheless, the attitude towards NS in Singapore is very different from those in other countries. In South Korea, there is an imminent threat and enemy in the form of North Korea with whom they are still technically at war with. Israel is surrounded by many countries who are clearly hostile to their very existence and Taiwan is locked in this stand off with mainland China that has gone on for decades. As for Singapore, there really isn't a clear cut concept of the enemy.
The simplistic (and incorrect) explanation that many use is that Singapore is a rich and small country surrounded by Malaysia to the north and Indonesia to the south, hence the need to defend one's turf. Does that make Malaysia and Indonesia the enemies? Not at all, for so many reasons. Singapore has never really had any major political disputes or even minor wars with nether Malaysia nor Indonesia - instead our best policy to defend the peace is diplomacy, by engaging our neighbours and becoming their good friends. Don't forget, 13% of Singaporeans are ethnic Malays and Malay is in fact our national language (and one of the four national languages). Furthermore, Singapore is a part of ASEAN - whilst it may not be as strong as say the European Union, it still has accomplished much in terms of securing regional harmony amongst its members.
Indeed, ask Singaporeans today whom their enemies are and they're far more likely to refer to the invasion of migrants from China, India and the Philippines (guess who let these migrants into Singapore in the first place?), rather than our neighbours Malaysia and Indonesia. It is a far more complicated picture in terms of identifying an immediate threat or enemy to the average Singaporean's well-being compared to the cases of South Korea, Taiwan or Israel.
Speak to any South Korean, Taiwanese and Israel and they will feel that they have a good reason to defend their country against an external enemy, that the threat is very real and if they didn't serve, they would be letting down not just their families, but their wider communities as well. This is evident from the way many South Korean K-pop stars are disgraced if it is revealed that they did not serve national service or did not pull their weight during their national service - such as during the most recent scandal involving K-pop star Rain when it was rumoured that he was given special treatment, being granted off-days to see his girlfriend whilst other ordinary Korean soldiers have very limited free time and are largely confined to their barracks.
Whilst we never questioned such blatant nepotism in Singapore, it is socially unacceptable in Korea where the fans expect their K-pop idols to do their part and serve NS as it is genuinely perceived to be vital for their nation's survival. That is why Psy (of Gangnam Style fame) had to repeat his national service after being accused of being neglectful of his duties during his first NS stint. To have refused to have done so would have meant an end to his very successful pop career - he did it not so much out of a sense of patriotism, but because his fans expected him to do the right thing. Contrast that to Singapore, where most people take little interest in what their men have done in NS and are far more interested in what they have achieved in the real world, in the working world.
This impression is fuelled by the fact that many well educated highly skilled male Singaporeans leave their professional jobs during reservist activities, only to do the most menial tasks as a reservist soldier - using their muscle power instead of their brains. An engineer with a phD and expertise in precision engineering in the civilian world may end up spending his reservist days cleaning storm drains or reorganizing a store room as his civilian qualifications mean nothing in the military - only his rank matters. Yup, welcome to the bizarre world of the SAF where rank trumps brain power. I realized that in my national service and spent most of my time pretending to be stupid and quiet so I could slip under the radar and have an uneventful, stealth-like existence during my national service.
Does the SAF make the most of your abilities? Or are you just cannon fodder? |
Some people may argue - being in the army is not about "showing off" how highly educated or skilled you are, it is about doing whatever is necessary to defend the country. Hence if the storm drains need to be kept clear so the army base wouldn't flood when it rains, then clearing the drains of rubbish becomes a noble job even for the most intelligent scholar. Oh I have encountered so many people with that kind of attitude over the years - my haters have hit me with the same argument when I turned down a volunteer position at the London 2012 Olympics because I felt that the role offered was beneath me. (Please see the video below for the full story.)
Never mind being noble - a sense of purpose needs to be restored to NS in Singapore. There are just too many professional, highly skilled men who are not being utilized during their reservist activities simply because they are being assigned to vocations and units based on what they had done during their conscription days rather than what they have done since in the working world. There needs to be a system which recognizes their professional qualifications in the civilian world, making it relevant to their role as a reservist soldier. Someone needs to say, "oh this guy has gone to university, got himself a degree in engineering from NUS and is now working for a top player in the electronics industry. We can do with an engineer like that, let's use his brains and skills for the brief period we have him." Instead, no, the records may be updated, the paperwork may be filled in - but no one in the SAF is really that interested in tapping into this huge pool of talent that is available.
Is the SAF even interested in what you do in the civilian world? |
The question of course is, "what do you do with a highly skilled, highly intelligent person for a maximum of 40 days a year? That is such a short time!" I'm not sure I have the perfect answer to that question - but surely the current system of reducing them to manual labour and ignoring their brilliant brains is not getting the best out of them. How is one supposed to take pride in playing such a role when the very institution is not interested in recognizing what you can contribute? This is why even Singaporean men who have been through national service are often critical of this aspect of the system - so if the men who have done NS are critical of the system, how do you expect Singaporean women to respect it? Heck, the women are just grateful they are spared the burden of NS.
One key problem with NS and the SAF of course, is that it is run by SAF regulars. For those of you who are civilians, let me explain this to you. Regulars are those who have chosen to pursue a career in the military, they are career soldiers who often have virtually no work experience in the civilian world. That is why they are quite clueless when it comes to dealing with a professional who has built up a wealth of experience in the civilian in an industry which couldn't be more alien to the military environment (eg. banking, insurance, architecture design, fashion, interior design, law, fiduciary services, accountancy etc). So when a reservist reports to camp for his reservist activities and declares, "I have qualified as a plumber now and am working as plumber." Now I would get that plumber to put his technical expertise to good use in the camp, rather than simply say, "I don't know anything about plumbing but the drains need clearing, so you need to go clean the drains. Oh and according to your vocation, you're officially cannon fodder so you can forget plumbing for the duration of your reservist activities."
Perhaps the plumber could do plumbing work for the SAF for free (and only charge them for parts) as his reservist duty. So rather than having a fixed block of 3 or 4 weeks reservist activities, he could get calls from the SAF to say, "We have a job for a plumber, if you do it, it will count towards 2 days of your reservist obligations." And then that way, he can work off his reservist duties and do plumbing work for the SAF until he fulfils his required number of days in his reservist cycles - think about how much money the SAF could save using the talents and skills of the reservist soldiers instead of paying plumbers (and electricians, accountants, interior designers, IT consultants, web designers, architects etc).
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Likewise, if K-pop superstars like Psy and Rain had to serve national service in South Korea - surely the sensible thing would be to get them to entertain the troops, letting them do what they do best. I really don't see the point in treating them as cannon fodder - as they may be very average soldiers, but are excellent entertainers. Sure, there are people who see national service as the ultimate process to level the playing field: it doesn't matter how rich or successful you (or your family) are - you have to
Lastly, a lot of the negative feelings about NS amongst Singaporean men are also to do with the fact that they are not rewarded for having served NS by he government - instead, they face intense competition from foreigners in the job market who do not have the burden of NS + reservist obligations and the fact that they enter the working world by 2 to 3 years later than their female Singaporean peers is also a bone of contention. Thus many male Singaporeans feel like a second class citizen in their own country because they are made to carry this burden of responsibility yet are neither appreciated by the government nor the people around them for having paid this price. I would like to see local male Singaporeans who have served NS being much higher paid during their time in NS, in recognition of their services to the country and I would also like to see them enjoy more priority and privileges in the local job market. Likewise, I would also like to see the playing field levelled by making both females and foreigners serve some kind of civilian NS akin to community service (whilst utilizing their skills in an appropriate manner, of course).
So there you go, that's my take on NS. All these negative feelings surrounding NS can be dealt with if simply the men going through the process felt far more pride in what they did - and in order for that to happen, the system has to treat them as individuals with valid and useful skills to contribute. The proof is in the pudding - if men walked away from NS with a sense of pride, feeling that they have made a useful contribution, then there won't be any resentment about the need to serve NS (or as Puppet puts it, accepting it as "a necessary evil"). Right now, there are so many flaws with the system and there really isn't anyone interested in trying to change things given that nobody wants to be seen as criticizing the system, lest they get accused of not being patriotic enough. Ironically, improving the quality of the NS experience for male Singaporeans is probably the most patriotic thing you can do for Singapore - but that starts with dealing with the problems in the current system and that's a Pandora's Box that few people dare to touch.
As usual, any comments, rebuttals, ideas etc - leave a comment below, cheers.
I think for reservist employers should be compensated 200% of the employees' salary.
ReplyDeleteEmployee salary: $x per day
Value employer gets out of employee: $y per day, where y>x
SAF only paying back $x to the employer makes them lose out on the value of (y-x)*(number of days of reservist, not to mention all adjacent costs like value of the employee's workstation, phone, computer, office space, health benefits, etc.
Compensating the employer with 2x may come a lot closer to leveling the playing field for Singaporean males in employers' eyes. And this doesn't even account for the amount of professional growth we lose out on from being absent at work.
Totally, I so totally agree with your last point: "this doesn't even account for the amount of professional growth we lose out on from being absent at work."
DeleteWhen you have a highly competitive, educated and skilled workforce, the only ones who get to do anything relevant to their careers and further them at the same time are certain defence scientists who have very important fathers...
ReplyDeleteI was talking to a South Korean friend about this, and apparently you get to apply to vocations of your interest, and you get posted according to your qualifications and suitability. I don't see why we can't implement something like this in Singapore, getting someone to do a job he has some interest in will definitely elicit a whole lot more of enthusiasm - I had a friend from China with a medical degree; even if you didn't want to let him practice as a doctor (because his degree is in Chinese, not recognised in SG), you could at least let him be a medic! He ended up driving and washing trucks.
But then again, trying to suggest anything to MINDEF is like talking to a brick wall - the massive wall of bureaucracy and arrogance in the SAF means you'll just get shot down by the scholar officers who think their the smartest people in the world... They will stick to their old ideas as the best
Hi Yoda, my thoughts exactly! Hence my suggestion of the system: this reservist is a fully qualified plumber and the SAF spends money hiring plumbers when they need a major repair, eg. burst pipe in the toilet. So they can keep a roster of reservist plumbers and the moment they need a plumbing job done, they can send out a text to the nearest 10 plumbers which says, "major repair job (description) needed at this camp (location) - if you accept this job, it will count 2 days towards your reservist obligations this year, please reply for details."
DeleteSo you see, those with useful, relevant skills get to use them in their reservist days - this system would recognize that we went into NS at about 18 years old and a LOT would have changed in the following years and many of us would have trained in various skills, trades to get us paid employment in the working world and these skills are of VALUE to the SAF.
But no, our lives in the SAF seem to run in a different dimension from our civilian lives - where what we do in our civilian lives is totally irrelevant and they are almost deliberately ignoring it. Why? Your example of your Chinese doctor friends is a very good example of a failing of the current system.
The only people who benefit from the current system are the regulars - who also run the system, hence they are jealously guarding the system and keeping things the way they are. These people have little interest, knowledge or experience of the working world out there, beyond the SAF - hence trying to get them to respect the skills and experience of those in the working world, the real world is too scary for them. It's so much easier for them to stick to the status quo - where they can say, "I don't care what you do out there, or how much you earn, welcome to my camp where I am the king here and you will do things my way even if you are smarter, more intelligent or more capable than me. I outrank you, hahahaha!" Duh.
Hi LIFT,
Delete> The only people who benefit from the current system are the regulars
You missed out the other category who benefitted, which was pointed out by Yoda -- "certain defence scientists who have very important fathers..."
Cheers, WD.
Hi LIFT,
ReplyDeleteIn the ideal situation, NSFs and NSmen in the SAF should be deployed according their abilities and skills. This will lead to higher job satisfaction and an improved NS experience, as you rightly mentioned. I know for a fact the SAF leaders are aware of these concerns and are looking at ways to address the situation.
However, for an organization as large as the SAF (when taking into account all the NSmen), this can be a significant HR and logistics challenge, and there really isn't an easy solution to the problem.
Firstly, not all civilian skills can be mapped to the SAF's requirements. In your list, for example, I would think that SAF would hardly require people skilled in architecture design, fashion, or interior design. Even in areas such as engineering which can possibly be beneficial, there the issue of knowledge and continuity. There is just no way to parachute a civilian engineer into an ongoing project and expect to bring him up to speed and be able to contribute fruitfully within the typical call-up period.
For services such as plumbing, construction, and accounting, what the SAF needs is for a commercial firm to provide such expertise on a permanent, long-term contract basis, rather than depend on the adhoc availability of NSmen to fulfill these roles. Under contractual agreements, the SAF can hold the vendors to quality standards so that the work will get done. It is much harder to manage NSmen to do the same job during their ICT. What if the plumber has to defer his ICT because of his job or other emergencies? Where is the replacement going to come from? Furthermore, it is unlikely that the NSmen call-ups will be sufficient to handle all the plumbing requirements of all the SAF camps, so there will still be a need for commercial companies to provide their services. The additional manpower that the SAF will need to dedicate for managing all these NSmen job deployments will likely cost more than the extra man-days in the commercial service contract.
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, during the full-time NS period, each person is trained for a specific task, and NS battalions usually continue training together after their ORD during their ICTs. Going back to your plumber example, if the plumber is taken out of his old role (let's say in an artillery unit), who is going to replace him in his role? And if the replacement was not trained as an arty soldier, where is the extra training to level him up going to come from?
Ok, I wasn't expecting to write so much in this comment, these were a few thoughts off the top of my head when I read your post. I'm sure there are other factors that I may not have considered. Just my 2 cents worth. =)
Hello there and thanks for your thoughts on the issue. Of course, I realize the enormity of the task, but it doesn't stop countries like South Korea from trying to make the most of the talents of their reservist soldiers - why? Because the party that stands to benefit the most from such a process is the army itself. Let me put this to you.
DeleteIn my time in NS, I did BMT and then I trained for one vocation, then I had to change vocations and then retrained for a different vocation. On both occasions, the training was fairly short and informal - it was mainly a question of following a mentor around, shadowing him and learning the routines and tasks demanded of him and then there was an informal exam at the end of that period. Oh there was a 'textbook' in both occasions but I never used it and passed both exams upon the completion of my training period. It wasn't technical, it wasn't difficult and most of the time, it was, "oh you don't need to know this, if you don't know just ask someone higher up the food chain etc." The quality of the training was pretty shoddy and very little time/money was invested in both my vocation training.
Compare that to the training I got to set myself up in two different industries professionally, I am armed to the teeth with professional qualifications and have spent a lot of time, money and effort making myself so good in both my industries that I can get a constant stream of quite well paid work.
Now which skillset would the SAF rather use? The ones that I acquired via the few weeks of informal training as a soldier... or the ones that I had spent years making myself an expert in? It isn't a hard choice.
I fully appreciate the logistical challenge of trying to use everyone's skill - and the reality is that someone people would have skills which are a good fit, others may fit their skills (however well-appreciated in their respective fields) to be totally irrelevant to the SAF. Such is the nature of running a defence force - you have certain needs and your job is to make sure those needs are met, rather than try to make everyone feel appreciated.
I can't help but feel that your piece read like a long excuse - ie. because we can't find the perfect solution, we shall not change the system. I say, the current system has so many flaws, so even if you try an imperfect solution which may benefit some people (and of course, benefit the SAF in the process) - then I say, by all means, try it, trial it, see if it works out. One has this overwhelming impression that everyone in the SAF are just so resistant to change.
Regarding your point about South Korea making the most of the talents of their reservist soldiers, I don't think it was really explained in your blog entry (unless I somehow missed it). I'm not familiar with the South Korea system, maybe you could elaborate on this?
DeleteI was from the Navy, not the Army, so I can't comment on your training experience during NS. Hopefully times have changed, and the current NSF training is more focused and of a higher quality.
Since you mentioned yourself as an example, perhaps I would like to ask for your views on your work experience might contribute in other areas relevant to the SAF, bearing in mind the limited ICT time.
In my opinion, transient manpower is very difficult for organizations to deploy effectively. Even if the person is highly qualified in his career, there will still be unfamiliarity with the systems and processes in place which will take time to learn. Hence the person may end up being tasked for basic jobs that require minimal background knowledge, much like how some companies handle interns (and student internships usually last a good 2-3 months, compared to just weeks for ICT).
As for your last point, perhaps my previous comment does read like a long excuse. I was just looking at the challenges of implementing the system. And although there isn't an overarching solution in place, job-matching does already happen at a lower level, depending suitability and availability of the tasks. For example in my unit, people working as harbour pilots are identified for ICT deployment as ship navigators as far as possible, since they are obviously familiar with navigating at sea from their daily job. Just because there is no official annoucement doesn't mean that nothing is changing. Things are slowly moving... but because of the enermous scope and the challenges involved, it takes time. And some things are better left unannounced prematurely, to avoid public outcry ("why ABC can do this and don't need to chiong sua, but I cannot?!") But I definitely agree that the SAF can do a better job of communicating and managing the perception of NS to the public.
I'm not saying I have the perfect solution - I don't, all I am saying is, hey, let's look at some of the examples from other countries who are facing the same challenges and see if there are any valuable lessons we can learn from them.
DeleteIt's not like I disagree with you that the task is challenging - it is very difficult indeed and some people will simply have skills which are not relevant. Take one of my key skillsets - I am very good at marketing quite complex investment products. I speak the language of those in financial services (in several languages in fact) - that skillset has made me valuable to my employers who do pay me a handsome amount of money to push their products into new markets. Is that relevant to the SAF? No, totally not. For them, I'm as good as cannon fodder - so in this case, yeah someone like me cannot adapt my civilian skills to my reservist duties (it's all hypothetical as I hold a British passport today and gave up my pink IC years ago).
I think the British example might be the way ahead - I refer you to Peng Hui's comment below and I will follow up with him (just not tonight.)
OK I refer you to my discussion + longer reply with Peng Hui below, thanks.
DeleteQuoted from you (Now which skillset would the SAF rather use? The ones that I acquired via the few weeks of informal training as a soldier... or the ones that I had spent years making myself an expert in? It isn't a hard choice.)
DeleteYou're right that it isn't a hard choice. But the correct choice will surprise you. The SAF would rather you to use the cheap and unskilled training to do the grunt work because it needs to be done and they have no need for your high level of financial skill.
Dearest Apple,
DeleteKindly stop misrepresenting what I am saying. Yes I have plenty of experience in the field of finance, but did you realize that I have managed to climb 2 career ladders successfully? Most people barely have the time and energy to climb one career ladder but I managed to climb 2: in media and finance - which means I am armed to the teeth with qualifications, work experience and transferable skills that would trump most people - including yourself, dearest Apple. So whilst I do have plenty of experience when it comes to the financial services sector, honey, you haven't seen just how freaking long my CV is and I have so much more to offer the SAF other than anything to do with finance.
Once again, kindly stop making assumptions - that's a really irritating habit. If you're not sure about something, can you kindly ask me to clarify rather than just jump to all the wrong conclusions? You see, you think you can just jump to the worst case scenario and just assume that to win your argument, but I don't even think I wanna bother to talk to you if that is the kind of road you wanna go down. It's blatantly dishonest and I don't approve of your attitude.
I know you are a talented man, and so are many of the NSmen. However the point still stands, the SAF needs people to be cannon fodder and couldn;t give two hoots about your other skills. If they were to utilize your other skills (which they will rather give the opportunity to regulars by the way, to let them gain experience or whatever reason. Same logic as parachuting generals with no experience to CEO positions to learn rather than hire real experienced CEOs.) Who is going to take over your role as cannon fodder? No matter what, someone has to be miserable being cannon fodder. Why should you be so special to be exempted from grunt work? Because you are so special and talented?
DeleteNo, the point does not stand because you don't know exactly what kind of skills I have to offer and if the SAF may need those at this point in time. That's a moot point in any case because a) I am British, not Singaporean: hence I don't have NS liabilities anyway and b) we're talking about a match of skills + needs at any one time, so as to create a win-win situation.
DeleteIt was evident that the SAF was happy to ignore my skills during my time in NS and I felt that was their loss - you seem keen to defend the system the way it is as some kind of social experience to level the playing field and eradicate social class boundaries to perhaps create some kind of bond or relationship between Ah Beng and scholar alike.
Oh and here's where your argument falls apart: I ORDed and within days, I left for France and then it was then exit permit after exit permit until I got hold of my British passport and then renounced my Singaporean citizenship. Oh dear, you know what that means? I left a gaping hole in the SAF because I had refused to return and serve my reservist. Did the SAF fall apart? Hell no. They merely did some HR shuffling to make sure they could continue to operate.
You have so totally fallen prey to the card tower mentality that you refuse to even make small changes to benefit the SAF. Tsk tsk.
I wonder how the organisation of the UK Territorial Army compares with the SAF Reservist system (to use the obsolete term). I know the Territorials are volunteers but they still train part time and are expected to take part in front line roles. And I suspect that a lot of them have seen action recently.
ReplyDeleteGood question - I will look into it and get back to you on that one.
DeleteHi Peng Hui, I have had a big of time to look into this and here's an answer for you. Given that the TA is made of volunteers, there are a range of reasons for those volunteers to want to do this. It's not like some kind of boot camp they do simply to fill their weekends/evenings/holidays - it is a serious commitment that can see them being engaged in military action abroad (Iraq & Afghanistan) In 2003, 9,500 reservists, the vast majority of them from the TA, were mobilised to take part in Operation Telic, the invasion of Iraq, in contrast only some 420 Regular Reservists were called-up. Approximately 1,200 members of the TA have continued to deploy annually on tours of duty in Iraq, Operation Herrick in Afghanistan and elsewhere, normally on six month-long roulements. So yeah, it's not army-lite per se, you can get killed in action in a place like Afghanistan as a TA soldier.
DeleteTA volunteers (bad word really, volunteers) are PAID for their time - really, the word volunteer implies someone who gives up his time to do something for free, like for charity, without getting paid. TA soldiers are PAID, often quite handsomely, for what they do. It's like a part time job as a soldier - rates of pay vary depending on your rank & vocation, but the money is pretty respectable.
Some of the TA soldiers do try to apply some of the skills they have from the civilian world in the TA (eg. a medic in the TA may be a nurse at a hospital in his/her civilian life) - but others who opt to do it want to do it specifically to experience something very different. Eg. a postman in a small town who may be very bored with delivering letters may find the prospect of participating in military exercises most exciting.
The key difference is that TA soldiers do have a recruitment and selection process which is really quite detailed - it is a rigorous job interview process where every effort to made to ensure that the individual is placed in a role which is most suited to his capabilities, where he will be happy and not drop out within 3 months (it'll be a waste of time and money for everyone involved if that happened). If the drop out rate is high, then the whole system will not work, it won't even continue to exist. So it's not so much a question of matching skillsets to vocations per se (as important as that is), it is about giving each individual a chance to have a say about what vocation he would like to pursue and highlighting to the organization where he can shine best.
Given the way those on low-income are struggling to make ends meet in Singapore coupled with the fact that we do need more manpower in the SAF, such a TA style volunteer force (volunteer as opposed to conscription) might actually work very well in Singapore - as long as those who take part are treated well by the system (decent pay, have a say in their vocations, treated with respect etc).
So the army now will be full of plumbers, technicians, accountants, architects...etc.
ReplyDeleteWho will do the grunt work? Who will drive the tanks, carry the guns, shoot the enemy?
Who will organize army half marathons and national day parades?
I wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth. And given the very aggressive way you have phrased your comment, I say you came here looking for a fight. But I shall take the higher road and offer you my response on the topic.
DeleteI am not saying that all soldiers should be doing exactly what they are doing in their civilian lives during NS - that is not always possible. Take a primary school teacher for example, he may be doing a totally normal and noble job educating young children at the local primary school, but that is simply not a skill that is transferable to the SAF and so someone like that will have to be assigned something that will have little or nothing to do with his civilian career.
As for anything more technical to do with weapons, there are people who do have a technical, engineering background who will be more suited to those kinds of roles as they are already dealing with machines, mechanical systems and even have plenty of training in their professional lives that will make them far more able to operate such weapons.
As for organizing events like half marathons and NDP, I will actually be able to do a great job because I have worked in marketing & PR especially in the field of promotional events. Heck, I was event on the team that handled Google France's promotional activities in Paris and if I can organize events for Google, I can work on any kind of event: someone like me would have the professional training, experience and knowledge to organize something as important as the NDP. It would make absolutely no sense to leave such an important event to someone who has little or not experience in dealing with such large scale event organization.
My point is simple: some of the NSF & reservists have useful transferable skills that the SAF can tap into and utilize. Engage the services of a external professional (like myself) and you pay them a LOT of money for their kind of expertise. I never said that everyone should be allowed to do what the hell they like or what they do in their civilian lives - but it is ludicrous that the SAF is totally ignoring the incredible pool of talent at their disposal and then simply randomly assigning these people to do tasks that have nothing to do with their skill set.
Now that, IMHO, is plain stupid.
Apple, some further reading for you: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/the-card-tower-mentality-what-keeps-pap.html People like you defend the way things are because you have been brainwashed that if you make just one little change, even if that change is for the better, to improve the lives of ordinary Singaporeans, then Singaporean society as we know it would come tumbling down like a card tower that has been knocked over. Hence you don't dare to touch anything and you end up supporting to keep things the way they are, even when there are small things we can do to improve the lives of ordinary Singaporeans (including yourselves) but bizarrely, you have been brainwashed to be so averse to change.
DeleteWell that's kinda my point isn't it. If we go on tapping each individual's skillset as national service, who will do the grunt work?
DeleteFor every guy that is being tapped to use their expertise, there is one less guy to do the grunt work. Say a lawyer is being tapped for his legal expertise to help the SAF sort out some patent laws is counted as one high key for his efforts, that means there's one less guy digging the ditches as he's being used as a lawyer instead. Sure the SAF can save plenty of money tapping the talents to get free doctors, event organizers, lawyers, pilots, architects..etc, but that will incur a serious drain in manpower to do the grunt work which is what really needs to be done and what no one wants to do. I believe it'll be cheaper and happier outcome for us to contribute our talents to the SAF and hire mercenaries to do grunt work instead, but will such a scenario ever happen?
Also, I believe you are overstating the skill level required for most ns vocations, especially for lower ranks. You don't need technical degrees to operate weapons or drive the tanks. In fact many of these grunts are the mono-intake less educated soldiers, and they do no poorer a job than the highly educated JC kids. As for requiring people with PR and marketing skills to do NDP, that's a laugh. Most of the manpower is deployed to do grunt work like doing guard duty, crowd control, pasting stickers in songbooks and packing goodie bags. Any person with any real skills will be cheesed off with such work. The real quality work you're talking about only goes to highly paid regular officers who have little to do, they won't ever give such good work to nsmen.
Basically we should see NS for what it is, a conscription to get cheap labour to do grunt work that nobody wants to do but needs to be done. We should seek to reduce the amount of grunt work and shorter service time for the NSmen instead using technology and efficient processes, so there is less disruption in our lives. Otherwise hire mercenaries while we contribute our real skills for out nation instead.
Apple. here are a few points in relation to your comment.
Delete1. I never said that NS should be a continuation of civilian life whereby we simply get to do the same job we normally do but for the SAF. I have already made it very clear with the example of the primary school teacher - with no disrespect to the primary school teacher, his professional job revolves around educating children so even though it is a perfectly noble and respectable job, there's very little in terms of transferable skills he has to offer the SAF so in the case of Mr Primary School Teacher, then by all means give him a vocation that is tantamount to canon fodder. Some Singaporean men simply will not have skill sets that will be of use to the SAF and even if they do, then it's a question of just how many say, accountants or tailors does the SAF need at any one time anyway?
2. But if you do have someone who happens to have a useful skill set that the SAF does need, then I am merely saying that it would be a waste not to tap into that resource. How many people will actually have such useful skills that will be of great value to the SAF? Not many actually, probably very few - but if they are in such a position to offer their skills to the SAF, then I say, why not, for it is a win-win situation. The SAF gets to take advantage of the skilled individual (without paying market rates) and the individual is happily doing what he does best.
What I am suggesting is a win-win solution that will only affect a very small number of highly skilled individuals - the majority of NSF/reservists men would not be affected by this at all as they would not have a skill to offer the SAF that would match the SAF's needs. It would be up to the SAF to say, "yes I realize you're an excellent football coach in your civilian life but we have no need for that, hence you have to go back to being canon fodder as your vocation."
3. This is why I say people like you fall prey to the card tower mentality - you are convinced that even making a minor improvement to the SAF would cause Singapore as we know it to tumble down and collapse into oblivion.
Thus you're completely wrong to state that "that will incur a serious drain in manpower" when really, what I am saying will never incur a serious drain in manpower as it will only affect a very small number of highly skilled individuals. A minor rearrangement perhaps, but serious drain? You're totally misrepresenting my suggestion. You don't win an argument by misrepresenting what I said.
4. As for NDP, if you're talking about getting people to distribute drinks or stand for ages at attention on a field, then that's "canon fodder" work (or grunt work, d'apres vous) but i you think that the highly paid regular officers can't benefit from professional advice from an expert who has done events for huge corporate clients like Google, then I think you're overestimating the ability of these regular officers. I'm making a suggestion that those with extremely high level marketing & PR expertise (like myself) can probably teach these regular officers a thing or two about organizing a successful event - let the cannon fodder deal with the grunt work. Again, you're resorting to misrepresenting my suggestions to try to win an argument and I am truly running out of patience with you. Stop putting words in my mouth, either that or you have a serious problem with reading comprehension.
So basically the idea behind your whole post is ridiculous, since only a very small number of people will benefit anyway. What happened to benefiting plumbers, accountants, etc? Now it becomes only a small number of special people who will benefit. Well that's just more elitism isn't it? The money saved is not worth the can of worms it opens. Not that I believe money will be saved, it will be a ridiculous waste of resource to keep track of each individual's career progression just do they might get to use their skills one time in the future.
DeleteA few points you have yet to address:
1) If the few special people gets taken out of their vocation to do special work, who will replace them? There is already a shortage of combat fit personnel as it is.
Say two drivers in a unit are experienced marketers and are taken out to do NDP. Now the unit is short of two drivers which they have to find from somewhere. Whoever replaces them will still experience the misery of being cannon fodder anyway. So did your ideas reduce any misery? It just increases the amount of NS work to be done when SAF can just hire professional marketers and distribute the driving workload more fairly.
2) Who gets to be the special one to be used for their skills? As you have said, SAF probably do not need so many accountants or tailors anyway. Say you and your friends are tailors of equal skill working at the same company. Your friend gets called up to design and sew up the next generation of army uniforms, allowing him to use his skills and expand his portfolio. Meanwhile, you get called up to be a rifleman digging ditches instead of being given an opportunity as they only need on tailor. Do you feel this will be fair? How do we choose which guy gets to benefit?
3) How do you propose we sort out people according to their skills anyway? (Like it matters, any monkey can be trained for any ns vocation.) We are conscripted after JC and we haven't developed any skills and have set career paths. If this programme is reserved for experienced NSmen only, well it doesn't save any young full time servicemen from cannon fodder work does it?
4) Patrick Tan, President Tony Tan's son is one such talent identified to use his talent for SAF instead of being cannon fodder. He is allowed to disrupt his national service for over a decade to finish his medical school and phd training, only to come back to do soil research as a research scientist as national service. How happy are the general populace about such a special programme? How do we decide who to allow to disrupt their their NS (Keep in mind they are 18 year old boys at this stage with no skills) so that they can come back after their training to contribute to the SAF? I'm sure there are many more phd holders who could have disrupted their NS to become defence scientists rather than be cannon fodder. Likewise maybe we should allow an accountant or tailor to finish their training first so they can come back and contribute their skills rather than to be a cannon fodder?
There you go, making assumptions again. I did not claim that I had the magic plan to revoluntionize the SAF - I merely had an idea that could create a win-win situation in the cases of some of the men involved who may have something to offer the SAF that the SAF requires. It's a win-win situation that may only benefit some if they happen to have the right skills - the fact that not everyone is in that position to benefit from this suggestion does not make this proposition ridiculous. Again, you have fallen prey to the card tower mentality - you're so afraid of change or so keen to defend the system.
DeleteOnto your points:
1. Card tower mentality again. Sure there is a HR issue but the SAF would be able to deal with the HR issue if they are willing to be flexible enough to cope with the situation especially if we are during peacetime. If there is a war and there are bombs going off everywhere, then it's a completely different situation - but in peacetime, then it is merely a matter of reorganization.
In your case study of the marketers taken out for NDP, it's not fair - then again, since when was SAF ever fair? Some people kena very shiong vocations, others get to goyang kaki in an air-con office - you wanna talk to me about fairness? Since when did that ever come into the equation? I say if the two marketers have the skills to be deployed in a more useful position, then good for them and tough for the other canon fodder who are redeployed to take their place. At the end of the day, the SAF and the marketers will be in a win-win situation with my solution; and it's just too bad for the people redeployed to take their place - they would have ended up doing some other kind of grunt work anyway.
2. May the better tailor win. Not all tailors are equal. Yes there is an element of competition to this. And so?
3. That's a bigger question - I actually had a buddy in NS who completed his studies abroad and only returned to S'pore to serve NS upon the completion of his degree. He was always trusted to do the more brainy stuff because the officers in my unit had respect for his degree. It may upset your card tower even further, but if those interested in getting a degree were allowed to get that degree first before serving NS (the way my buddy did), then it solves that problem.
4. You keep talking about fairness - it doesn't bother me at the end of the day. Why are you trying to create this little bit of social experiment where the playing field is leveled and everyone from the CEO to the roadsweeper is treated like cannon fodder? Life simply isn't fair in the civilian world - I never talked about creating more 'fairness', I was only interested in offering a win-win solution for the SAF and some of the men involved. It isn't a fair solution, but it is a good one.
So now your stance has morphed from "NS can better use the abilities of their soldiers and which will allow them be happier instead of letting them be cannon fodder. Win-win for everyone." to "A few select elites should be allowed to do special work for the SAF and let the other losers pick up the slack. Win-win for the SAF and the few elite men." What is the whole point of your article with all the plumbers now anyway?
Delete1) I'm not arguing for fairness here. If the two marketers stayed on as drivers and shared the load, the job will be done earlier and they will be more rest days for the current drivers. With your plan, the two marketers will provide free service to the SAF while the other drivers will have to work harder to pick up whatever they left behind. I'll rather the SAF engage professional marketers and let the drivers finish their jobs quickly and get back to our lives. Why should we give more free service to the SAF, be it marketing, plumbing or tailoring, and then have others suffer more and pick up the slack? For the cost savings to the SAF? Screw that we are all tax payers here, let them pay for non-essential services themselves and use our manpower to quickly finish up the important drudgery instead. Saying that those picking up the slack will just be deployed to do other grunt work is simply unfair and mean. They could be at home spending time with their families instead.
2) May the better tailor win...notice I said equal skill. Besides I don't think you can differentiate who can do plumbing and tailoring better as it's such a simple job.
3) So you feel everyone should finish their education and vocational training before serving NS, in case the SAF can better use their services? I would love that. But let's not kid ourselves, what the SAF needs is fit able bodies to do grunt work which is what you still have yet to address.
4) Again this isn't all about fairness even though fairness will a big role in this (Imagine that, if you are rich and powerful you can be allowed to skip NS, except you have to work for the SAF for a couple of years. Wouldn't go down well with anyone.) Which brings me to the next point: you idea to make NS better already exists, and it's not well received with the public.
Patrick Tan is identified as a special talent and was allowed to serve his NS as a defence scientist. Your friend was allowed to finish his degree and trusted to do more brainy stuff. The rest are to be cannon fodder as their skills aren't required by the SAF, including you. (You were just an A-level kid with no skills when you were conscripted right? So why are you complaining about going through shoddy training and given a menial vocation? You didn't have skills to contribute so it's cannon fodder for you.) Seems like what you are preaching is already in practice. So what's the point of your post again?
Basically I don't think you have any idea to change the system nor do you want to change the system. Your idea is exactly the same as what the current regime has implemented. Except that you're upset about being treated as cannon fodder instead of being treated special like you think you deserve. If you were the special scholar allowed to disrupt your NS instead of Patrick Tan, you'd be all "I'm ahead of the bell curve I can be special, all you guys at the other side of the curve can suck it up and be cannon fodder hahaha life is unfair." You wouldn't even care to make the most out of every soldier as you said that SAF probably don't even need them. Your idea only serve to make yourself feel better as you're disgruntled that you've been made to perform task below your skill level, which is what everyone is doing.
It's not a matter of having a few selected elites being given privileges for being so amazing - it's simply a question of match-making: some of the men will have skills that the SAF needs, others won't. Now whether that number will be big or small we won't know until we start to delve a little bit deeper into the manpower situation and the HR experts can then start this process of matchmaking which will make the most of the talents available. It's not about being elite - a hot shot lawyer who has a super high IQ may end up being rendered canon fodder by this system and a humble plumber may prove highly valuable if that is what the SAF needs: this will be a system determined by the needs of the SAF.
Delete1. You have such a tunnel vision when it comes to your card tower mentality you forget the reality of what reservists actually do. When I served NS, I worked with a reservist unit and we regularly had men try to 'siam' reservists and to be fair, when they had a valid reason: like if they were in full time education and about to take an exam, if they had just started a new job, if they had just started a new business, if the wife is heavily pregnant and about to give birth etc - then of course they were excused from their reservist obligations just that once and they were allowed to defer it to the next cycle. Credit to the SAF, they were fair like that! So when gaps were left in the manpower situation because some people were granted deferments, no the whole system didn't just fall apart - we merely moved people around to make sure that the activities could still happen and the unit still functioned.
I don't see any difference whether the 2 men were given a deferment for valid reason (eg. wife about to give birth any moment now or scheduled to have surgery at SGH etc) and if they were deployed to do something else like NDP. The result is still the same and the reservist unit knows exactly what to do to cope with such a situation - hence your argument is complete bullshit as you would have no qualms about a man being given an exemption if he has a valid reason, but you are kicking up a big fuss if he is deployed to do something else where he is able to make a bigger contribution? Classic card tower mentality.
2. That's when fairness goes out of the window. But so what?
3. Oh please, you're being ridiculous. A man is still physically fit in his early 20s - I was hardly a frail old man in my 20s and am still actively enjoying extreme sports today in my late 30s. You make it sound like we all become frail and elderly by the age of 21 and can only serve NS at the age of 18. How old are you? Did you turn old and frail by the age of 21 or 22? Get real. The fact is, the choice of enlisting at 18 was established years ago, when NS first started. At that time, most men had finished their formal education at 18 and very few actually did go on to get a degree. Times have changed and surely the SAF needs to review their policy to suit the current situation.
4. The point of the post is to firstly address the under-utilization of the talents amongst the men: allowing them to finish their formal education first would give you a far more highly trained and educated workforce to deal with. I wasn't given the chance to finish my formal education before I had to enlist. Furthermore, with the reservists, their professional training & skills are effectively ignored by the SAF - that again, is foolish. Patrick Tan seems to be an exception to the rule: why not allow many others to do what Patrick Tan did, since we've accepted that the system isn't meant to be some kind of social experiment to make rich & poor, scholar & Ah Beng live and work together. The men you get are of very different calibre, so why not take advantage of the fact that you have some very highly skilled people amongst your manpower and take advantage of your access to their skills.
DeleteLike I said, it's all a moot point as I wave my BRITISH passport at you. I am a non-Singaporean today and don't have any reservist obligations as a foreigner. This post was an academic exercise on my blog, as a response to some of the questions my readers have posted. Whether or not you guys have a shitty time or not during your reservist call-ups really doesn't make any difference to me, as I wave to you from central London. Ciao!