Thursday, 4 June 2026

Coming out to your Chinese parents (or not)

Hi guys, this is a draft for my latest podcast which you can choose to listen to by clicking here, or you can read on as always. Recently, I watched a piece on social media about a gay guy in Singapore called Eric Feng who chose not to come out to his Chinese parents - I don't want to criticize him since that's his personal choice of course but I want to discuss the topic and share with you my perspective. So let's start with this piece that I saw: this is an openly gay 45 year old Singaporean guy talking about how he is totally out to the world by having a presence on social media to talk about LGBTQ issues, he is showing his face and not hiding in the closet. A reason why he didn't want to burden them by coming out is because he claims, 'they wouldn't know what to do with that information'. His father has expressed a worry and chose the words 'who will take care of you when you are old', referring to the fact that in Chinese culture, children are supposed to take care of their parents when they are elderly and gay people tend not to have children. Eric could have used that opportunity to point out the obvious and come out to his father then, but he chose not to. The key reason why Eric feels that he doesn't want to come out to his parents is that he doesn't need any kind of emotional support or acceptance from them in his coming out journey - he is perfectly content with his identity as a gay man and often, for a lot of other gay men, coming out to their means receiving that sense of acceptance from their parents which can be a huge source of emotional support for a young gay person struggling to accept themselves. Furthermore, Eric already has a very supportive, gay-friendly sister whom he is out to already and she is a great source of strength and emotional support. I guess Eric doesn't expect his aged Chinese parents to behave like those in the West who are gay-friendly and know how to say the right things to a son coming out of the closet, so he didn't go down that route. So that's kind of it in Eric's rather short video and allow me to offer my own response to that and spoiler alert - no, I didn't agree with Eric. 
I want to make it clear - this is in no way any kind of criticism of Eric, his story intrigued me as I'm only 5 years older than him and we're both from Singapore. So it is fair to say, we actually do share a lot in common actually. Now let's focus on the differences - he has shown loads of pictures and videos of his parents on his social media feed obviously without their consent, since he is not out to them and these are videos about being gay, but regardless, that's between him and his parents. I have chosen to keep my parents out of my social media content because I know they are not happy at all when it comes to letting the public know that they have a gay son. In film and TV production, we always ask participants to sign a release form to indicate that they consent to being a part of the production, to show their faces otherwise we either have to mask their faces in the show or not use that footage at all. I'm somewhat uncomfortable with what Eric has done with his parents but like I said, that's between him and them. In showing their faces so openly like that on his social media posts, surely someone is going to go up to them and say, "eh I saw your gay son use your photos in his videos talking about being gay". And yet at the same time, he said he doesn't want to come out to his parents - I just can't quite get my head around that. But perhaps this is where we have the shades of grey, where life isn't this simple dichotomy of black and white, left or right, up or down. It seems his mother has a pretty good idea that he is gay, she just doesn't want to have the conversations about it. He pointed out that his parents, like most of our parents of that generation, are simply not that well educated and thus wouldn't have the same information, knowledge and understanding about LGBT issues. Yet somehow, in their own way, they are comfortable enough with the situation. Likewise with my parents, I'm totally out to them - I never got any kind of acceptance yet at the same time, I never got any rejection either. I suppose both Eric and I are in the same situation, there's a sliding scale between 0 to 10, with 0 being homophobic parents kicking their children out of the front door and disowning them; and 10 being this kind of ideal situation where they are totally gay-friendly and say, "I knew you were gay since you were 3 years old, I knew you were gay before you knew what it meant to be gay, you're my child, of course I know I created a gay child and I have always loved my gay child." Thus Eric's parents are probably somewhere like on a 7 or 8 on that scale, whilst I feel like mine are at about 5 (on a good day). 

But there's one thing that Eric said that really resonated with me. He talked about his parents spending years always worried about people looking down on them and that is something my parents went through as well. I always tell this story to illustrate just how poor my parents were when they got married. My mother was a young mother with a baby - my eldest sister and so my mother wanted to cook a nourishing meal for her baby and herself. She went to the butcher and wanted to buy some pork, but when she saw the price of meat that day, she realized she couldn't afford it. Nonetheless, she tried her luck and asked for the butcher to give her just a very small slice of pork. When the butcher cut a tiny slice of pork and weighed it, my mother realized that she still couldn't afford it and so she asked the butcher if he could cut it any smaller so she could afford it. The butcher laughed at my mother, if I cut this piece of meat any smaller I would have slicing into my own fingers. Get out of here, if you don't have any money to buy meat, why do you come here? Come back when you have money to pay for it. All the customers in the shop reacted by laughing at my mother and that was when my mother left the shop in tears, consumed by so much shame as she had been laughed out of the butcher's shop. You know what the irony is? The butcher wasn't exactly rich, neither were the other customers in the queue - yet they chose to heap judgement on someone slightly poorer than them and mock my mother. Really rich people would probably react with a lot more compassion in such a situation. You might assume rather incorrectly that poor people might have more compassion for other poor people, but from experience I can tell you that a poor person has two choices in that situation which my mother encountered at the butcher': they can either express empathy and kindness or they can use it to feel superior to this person, like "hey I may be poor, I know I am not rich but I'm not as pathetic as that woman I ran into that the butcher who was told to leave because she couldn't afford anything - she was practically begging the butcher for free meat, she has some nerve to even show her face in there." This was just one example of how my mother was routinely humiliated by her peers and her community for being poor and this wasn't a one off - this happened regularly, almost daily for her. Thus such bad experiences have scarred my mother for life and she so is always paranoid.

Let me compare and contrast my coming out to my husband's coming out - when I came out to my parents around 1996 at the age of 20, they didn't have a clue what it meant. Their only concern was if they would lose face, ah yes, that old Asian concept of losing face, losing the respect of others. They didn't once think what it meant for me being a young gay person, it was like my welfare wasn't at all of concern to them at all. No, it was all about them - it was all about how they would be humiliated if other people found out, how they would be judged for having been not good enough parents and how they have given others yet another reason to look down on them. So at the time, I could have been very angry and disappointed at their complete lack of interest in my welfare but I think what Eric is suggesting is to look at it from their point of view: if they had been traumatized by a lifetime of humiliation, then they are not likely to know how to deal with this kind of situation. This is no excuse of course for the type of reaction I got, but perhaps I can compare this to my husband's coming out years ago to his family. Their first concern was that of sexual health - a lot of gay people got AIDS in the 1980s and early 1990s, it was a major issue for the gay community. HIV/AIDS has since become a manageable long term illness with modern medicine, but back then, it was a death sentence that could seriously impact the quality of your adult life. So at least his family's first reaction was, okay are you protecting yourself from HIV and do you know what to do to have safer sex, so as to minimize your risk of infection? Once that was out of the way, then there was all that about "who is going to take care of you when you are old?" Even if that conversation was awkward and difficult, at least they were concerned about him - that conversation was about his welfare. With my parents, they had absolutely zero interest in my welfare, it was all about blaming me for being such a bad son for once again making them lose face, for subjecting them to even more humiliation and disgrace. But once that conversation was over, they hardly ever brought up the topic again. They dealt with it the same way my father dealt with his cancer diagnosis - they don't have the social skills nor the vocabulary to have an intelligent conversation about such a complex, sensitive topic and thus they simply don't talk about it at all, if they do talk, it would just be about very mundane things like what they want to eat for dinner. 

I think it is ironic that my parents are so obsessed with this whole concept about losing face and people looking down on them because there are plenty of things that they can be proud of. Despite being very working class, I am working in the upper echelons of the financial services industry in Europe and if I may be blunt, making a lot of money. Yet they are not interested in all that - I remember this moment from a few years ago when I was visiting my aunt with my mother, so my aunt quite innocently asked my mother (and not me, for some reason) what I was doing in London. I thought it was my mother's opportunity to boast how well I was doing, given that this was one opportunity for her to gain that much wanted respect from her own sister. But the answer that she had given was so wide of the mark, she had described me as if I was some kind of uneducated labourer doing a totally unskilled job. At that moment I realized that my mother was so stupid that she didn't understand the difference between a skilled job and an unskilled job - that highly educated, highly skilled, highly intelligent people did very different kinds of jobs which paid a lot more, that these jobs weren't accessible to people who were not as highly educated, skilled or intelligent. Believe you me, I have tried to explain the difference to my parents but as they are uneducated and very working class, the concept of highly skilled individuals earning a lot more money doing more specialist professional roles is just somehow beyond their comprehension. Furthermore my mother was so totally disinterested in me that she really could not give a fuck whether or not I was a brain surgeon or a beggar on the streets of London. I can tell you that both statements are true: that my mother is woefully ignorant about skilled jobs as she is totally uneducated and she has also totally lost interest in me decades ago. Thus within this context, if that is just the nature of my relationship with my parents, then I can't be held responsible for them feeling this paranoia about people looking down on them.- it's like if they are thirsty, then I have put water in front of them for them to drink, to quench that thirst, to take care of that need. But as the saying goes, you can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink. If they choose to continue to be consumed by this paranoia of people looking down on them for being poor instead of taking pride in their children's achievements, then no, I didn't create this problem and this is not a problem I can fix. 

So allow me to analyze it as a businessman being very rational: I am shown business opportunities on a regular basis and I would have to evaluate if it the opportunity I am shown is worth pursuing or not. If a deal is fraught with risk and difficulty, I would usually just pass on it, especially if I know my time can be a lot better spent on easier projects. Thus if coming out to my parents would be presented to me as a project in this context, my evaluation would be, "you have everything to lose and nothing to gain, your parents are only going to fuck this up by reacting poorly to your coming out, you know they would say a lot of very stupid things that are completely inappropriate and everyone would be worse off as a result of you coming out. Alternatively, you could maintain the status quo by avoiding the topic, in the same way Taiwan's independence isn't recognized by China but China isn't invading Taiwan yet - it is a kind of stalemate status quo that has maintained the peace and this might be the best case scenario." Maybe this is why Eric didn't want to come out to his parents all this time as he could probably predict that his parents simply wouldn't know how to say the right things - it would simply be incredibly awkward and there would be nothing to be gained by any of the parties involved. When you realize that there's little potential gain from doing something, you have little incentive to do it.  Putting aside any kind of moral judgment on whether or not we ought to be honest with our parents about our sexuality, Eric's choices may have simply been guided by a simple cost-benefit analysis of the situation based on what his own standards and expectations.

Eric also talked about his father being completely clueless. I think there is an element of that in my family as well and I shall focus this discussion on my own family since I clearly don't know Eric and his father, so I don't want to judge them. Eric guessed that it was a combination of his father being way too busy working, providing for his family so he never noticed that his son was gay; as well as him being of a different generation where they really didn't have an understanding of gay culture. Well, based on my own parents, I can offer another dimension to this: my parents got married out of a sense of duty rather than love per se. For them, it was a lot more important to fulfil their duty to their families and society to get married and have children - the concept of marriage and parenthood was never ever about love, it was viewed in the context of responsibility and duty. There is a big difference between doing an activity out of duty and out of love. For example, I brush my teeth every night and take good care of my teeth not because I actually enjoy the process, but I do so out of a sense of duty. I need to take care of my teeth properly or I will pay a high price if I start losing my teeth. I believe that love and marriage ought to be treated more like visiting our favourite roller coaster - it must be an experience that we embrace simply because it brings us great joy, rather than something like the way we routinely brush our teeth. But for my parents' generation, they had a completely different set of values and times have changed of course, our culture has evolved a lot. Back in the day, it was far more important for them to get married than to find genuine love, so in that context, if spouses didn't really love each other, then they are not that likely to love their children or even take much interest in their own children. When I complained to my sister about this situation, she simply rolled her eyes and said that all her friends face exactly the same situation and that this is just the norm in Singapore. I pointed out to her that two wrongs don't make a right - even if this is a common problem in Singapore, it still remains a problematic situation for those involved. I get the feeling that her reaction is pretty normal in Singapore, as long as she isn't the only one facing the problem, she accepts it all as normal as there's nothing she can do to change things.

So whilst I don't want to assume anything about Eric's father, but I am saying in the case of my father, it isn't all that unusual for Asian parents of that generation to be totally disinterested in their own children, especially once they become adults. If your children are a result of a loving marriage, then you are far more likely to have a meaningful relationship with your children over the years. But if you got married out of a sense of duty and find yourself trapped in a loveless, vapid relationship with a spouse who feels the same way about you, then whilst you might accept that this is your fate in life, it would be hard for you to have the same kind of motivation to get to know your children. In fact, it isn't uncommon for some Asian parents to guilt trip their children for the sacrifices they have made to bring them up, but they often dance around the issue of the lack of love, affection and joy. The blunt, uncensored version of this narrative would be, "you realize I had to marry someone clearly don't love, someone I can barely tolerate on a good day and the sex was just unspeakably awful, it was the worst experience of my life - I went through all that, just to have children to fulfil this duty of becoming a parent. You are the product of all those sacrifices that I had to go through, all the suffering I had to endure in that process to fulfil my duty." Sex should be a fun, pleasurable physical experience that you partake in with someone you are physically attracted to, but if you are forced to have sex with someone you don't like, whom you might even find repulsive, then how is that any different from what a prostitute does for a living as a prostitute has sex with customers for money, it is purely an economic transaction. It is unpleasant, hard labour performed in exchange for money, done by those who have no other choice, no other way to earn a living. So in the case of couples like my parents, the best case scenario would be for the sex to have been boring, uninteresting and my mother would simply daydream about something else until my father was done. But in the worst case scenario, one or both parties may end up feeling violated and disgusted by the whole experience. If that is the kind of context for the notion of 'sacrifices' that our parents have made for us, then what do they expect in return? And would they expect their gay children to stay in the closet then?

Bur let's take Eric at face value - let's imagine that his father really is clueless and has no real concept of what it means to have a gay son. Well, allow me to use an analogy to share with you how I feel about this situation. So I was in Greece on holiday many years ago, this wasn't in a big city but in the rural north and we were trying to get a bus from one town to our next destination - I checked on the internet and it seems like there was a bus service between the two locations, it just wasn't frequent as this was a small countryside town in Greece. However we waited a long time at the bus stop and the bus just didn't come and we didn't know what to do. Was it running late? Was it ever going to come? Quite by chance, we saw a young man come along and I asked him for help - as this was Greece, finding bus time tables could be tricky as websites are often only in Greek, I was relying on Google translate and these websites may not be updated regularly. Sure you could try to use AI to try to plan your trip but if AI can only use the information that is already out there on the internet, if that info is wrong or out of date, then you are fed incorrect information as I found out. The helpful local pointed out to me that the info I had found on the net was out of date and there wouldn't be another bus that day in that direction, the only way for us to realistically get to our destination would be to get a bus in the wrong direction to the nearest big town for a connecting bus (and so making the journey much longer), or to get a taxi to go directly to our destination. So if Eric's father is still clueless and believes that his son is straight and might just be waiting for the right woman to come along, shouldn't someone play the part of the very helpful Greek local whom I met and offer Eric's father some useful, accurate information about what the current situation actually is? After all, how did you think I felt waiting at that bus stop in Greece for a bus that didn't exist, that was never going to come that day? I felt so very grateful to that helpful Greek local who helped me get to my next destination - after all, he was under no obligation at all to render any help, but he did so anyway. Likewise, if Eric's father is somehow naively waiting for his son to just meet the right woman to get married because he hasn't realized his son is gay, wouldn't it be the kind thing for Eric (or his sister or mother) to offer this clueless old man some useful information the same way this helpful Greek local did with me with the bus?

So like all complex issues, there are two sides to every story and whilst Eric is free to share his experience and opinions on the matter, I worry that Eric's video is going to push some people deeper and deeper into the closet because it signals that it can be okay to stay in the closet. I don't even think that is Eric's intention, given that he is out to everyone on the internet. Hence this is why I am hoping to do my part in balancing out the argument here, by putting one piece on the internet that disagree with Eric's stance. Like I said at the very beginning, just because I don't agree with Eric and I've explained why I feel the way I do, it doesn't mean I am making this any kind of personal attack - it is not persona at all. He has used the internet to express his opinion on the matter and I'm simply doing the same. So guys, what do you think? Am I being way too harsh on Eric? Why do you think his father is so clueless about the whole situation then?  Do you think that the analogy with the bus time table in rural Greece is a fair comparison to this situation with Eric's clueless father? Would you be tempted to tell Eric's father the truth about his gay son? Thank you very much for reading. 


15 comments:

  1. @LIFT how was your trip to France for the Cannes film festival?

    I’m wondering if your parents ever guilt tripped you because you didn’t give them grandchildren?

    My dad sure did because he knew my elder brother was gay (and unmarried) while my youngest is autistic and never even had a girlfriend in his 20 odd years around. I was the only one who had the highest chance of having kids since I was not gay, not autistic and was at one point married!

    Imagine all the gaslighting lecture he gave me on why having a chidren is good (to take care of you when you’re old etc) and that with my salary I was more than capable of raising many children! Nevermind I never enjoyed the thought of children since I found them annoying and have 0 patience in general!

    But let me know your experience with your parents.

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    1. Cannes was... weird. But I could be talking all day here so let's move on.

      I think "guilt" is something you feel if you are genuinely going to react to something. Let me give you an example. If you are very happy with the service of a restaurant, you may want to tip the waiting staff just to say thank you for an extraordinary experience. In America, tipping is practically compulsory but in the UK, it is discretionary meaning you might tip if you're really happy but you are not obliged to do so if you're not completely satisfied. Imagine if you had a somewhat below average experience at a London restaurant - food was cold, service was slow, your ice water didn't get refilled and all in all, it wasn't a great experience. So you decide, this is not worth tipping for. Would you feel guilty for not tipping based on your bad experience as a customer? Of course not. Now you might feel guilty for not tipping if the waiting staff had gone out of their way to give you something extra for free - I remember once I was in a Singaporean restaurant in Macau, I couldn't decide between two dishes (as I wanted to eat EVERYTHING on the menu). So the Singaporean auntie did this thing where she gave me a kid's portion of laksa for free just because she could see my eyes lit up when I saw the laksa on the menu. She didn't have to, she did that for free. Another time I was in Florida, same thing - I was indecisive, so the waitress brought me an extra portion of the dish I didn't pick as she felt she was gonna earn her tip with a surprise, it was just a small portion of the other item on the menu I didn't pick. She wanted me to taste every dish on the menu and if it meant giving it to me for free, then so be it. In both cases, I felt obliged to tip as both ladies were super nice to me. Hence I think guilt is a reaction that is dependent on the preceding circumstances - my parents may try to make me feel guilty but will I feel guilty? Let's go back to the restaurant in London where you got bad service: would you feel guilty if the waitress said to you, "service is not included in the bill, usually people leave a tip" and then she would glare at you when she noticed you weren't going to tip - would she be able to make you feel any guilt even if she tried? Like she could try but would it work? Would it coerce you to somehow tip her if she tried to guilt trip you like that? I don't think so. And in my case, no, regardless of what my parents do, I won't feel guilty so it is a moot point.

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    2. But in all fairness, I don't think our parents were gaslighting us per se. I remember how my parents were so ignorant when it came to basic nutrition and they grew up in an era where they were not educated enough to learn about simple things like the role of vitamins and minerals in our diet. So in place of hard facts, they had old wives' tales most of which were wildly misleading and full of bullshit. Were my parents stupid and ignorant? Of course they were. But when stupid and ignorant people try their best and get it woefully wrong, they're not trying to gaslight you. Gaslighting means trying deliberately to mislead and deceive, but when my mother spouts some complete bullshit that's totally untrue about nutrition, she isn't doing it because she knows what she is saying is wrong but she is deliberately trying to mislead me, deceive me and lie to me. No, not at all. She did it because she actually believes the bullshit and rubbish she is saying and she is woefully unaware of how wrong she is. So for all the crap our parents have said to us about having children, I would compare it to the way my mother gave a lot of bullshit advice about nutrition when I was growing up. She is stupid, she didn't know any better, she is woefully ignorant, misinformed and dumb - the worst part of it all is that she doesn't even realize how little she knows and how her head is full of half-truths and information which is totally wrong. But was she trying to gaslight me when she tries to offer "health advice"? No, she doesn't even realize what she is saying is wrong. There is the absence of malice, the absence of intention to mislead or deceive - so call it what you want, but that ain't gaslighting. On that basis, I'm willing to be quite forgiving on the matter actually - feel free to disagree with me.

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    3. Well that may be the case for your mother, however my father is not stupid. He has a Masters degree and actually went to New Zealand to obtain it. But I don't really know him well since he was seldom around and I left home in my late teens.
      But my father invests his money so that he doesn't have to rely on his children for retirement. And in fact he has never once demanded I give him an allowance. So when he tells me to have children so that they can take care of me (like a retirement fund or free caregiver) am I supposed to take it at face value? Or could it be he is deliberately trying to deceive me just so he can have grandkids to play with?

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    4. OK allow me to put forward a slightly different theory. A reasonable person would normally respect the right of others to choose and have a different point of view, it's like comparing whether you prefer watermelon or pineapple. One can express a preference for one over the other based on your personal tastes and preferences, but it would be wrong to definitively put a value judgment on it and say A is definitely better than B when really, it depends on the basis of your judgment. I can compare price, I can compare nutrition value, I can compare the volumes sold at my local supermarket or nationally but that would mean me being humble enough to look at the statistics and accept whatever the numbers reveal as the result, whilst parking my own opinion at the front door. So even if (for example, in a totally non-scientific way), I prefer watermelon to pineapple, but the statistics from my local supermarket show that they sell far more pineapples than watermelons, making it the more popular fruit locally where I live, then I just have to accept that result. So in the case of your father, he is behaving in a very autistic manner by thinking that his opinion is the only one that should matter when it comes to your life (in reference to your choice whether to have children or not), thus as a son, you should blindly listen to what your father has imposed on you. Now that may sound stupid to you and I of course, but we both know that in Asia, a lot of Asian kids do park their common sense at the front door and dumbly follow their parents' wishes even if it would not make them happy at all. My opinion is that this is your father completely failing to realize that everyone has the right to arrive at their own opinion on the matter and assuming that his point of view is the only one that can exist. This is a very common trait amongst people who are autistic.

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    5. This theme will be covered in my next podcast, ie. this assumption that "only my opinion is valid, nobody else has the right to a different opinion and the entire world should listen to me." Sounds ridiculous? You bet, but akan datang, the next podcast will be out very soon.

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    6. Woah, I am already triggered! 🤣🤣 Sounds a lot like the autistic people who would go around giving unsolicited advice. They usually open with, "limpeh kah lu kong..."

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    7. Woah, I am already triggered! 🤣🤣 Sounds a lot like the autistic people who would go around giving unsolicited advice. They usually open with, "limpeh kah lu kong..."

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    8. Well allow me to rant for a moment to show you my experience with this kind of autism in my own family. When I was in Singapore, my father started lecturing me about how I did the wrong degree - that I should have studied economics instead of geography at university. I snapped right back at him, he has never ever been to university, he has never taken a lesson of economics in his life before and has absolutely no idea what is taught in a standard A level or degree level economics class. It has nothing to do with "how to do business". Whereas I have been the gatekeeper in companies, I am the decision maker who looks at all these applicants with their degrees and I'm the one who decides which applicant has a useful degree and which applicant has a useless degree. I have often been the judge, jury and executioner in these situations when it comes to making the decision as to whether someone is even worth hiring or not. Most parents who have children who have risen to such senior ranks in companies would be extremely proud of how much their children have achieved, yet my father has no clue what I do for a living and thinks that his opinion is as valid or more valid than mine on the matter. I straight up told him that he knew nothing, he was an idiot on the topic whilst I was the expert so he doesn't get the right to even voice an opinion in my presence. So there you go, that's a good example of how someone who is off the scale when it comes to autism tries to deal with the subject. My father is so fucking autistic it goes beyond poor social skills, it's a total lack of awareness of the world around him (like add to that, a very low IQ). Another example, my father once went on and on and on about Hainanese (the language/dialect) in my brother in law's presence, totally forgetting that my bro in law is not just 100% Hainanese but speaks it at mother tongue level. I then turned to my brother in law and asked him point blank, is there any truth to what my father has just said about Hainanese? My bro in law said no, that's totally incorrect, wrong and false. And I turned to my father and told him to stop embarrassing himself like that, but autistic people keep making fools of themselves, it's like they just can't help being so fucking stupid.

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    9. I think it is obvious that I know a lot more about degrees and universities than my father. It's also painfully obvious that my sister married a Hainanese man from a very Hainanese speaking family, my father is totally aware of the fact that my bro in law is Hainanese as he has said many horrible things about the Hainanese in-laws. Yet somehow, he is so fucking autistic and stupid that he can start telling my bro in law about Hainanese despite the fact that a) my bro-in-law is 100% Hainanese and b) my father doesn't speak Hainanese. I just looked at that situation in complete disbelief - like just how fucking stupid is my father? Like I knew he was already really fucking stupid but he still manages to surprise me by taking it to new heights of stupidity. Hence when he did the same thing to me about degrees and university, nah I didn't show mercy. My sister told me to just ignore him, he has no one to talk to so he talks rubbish to anyone all the time and most people just roll their eyes and ignore him.

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    10. But have you actually ever called your father stupid to his face? He has called me stupid multiple times even though some of his comments or anecdotes straight up are insane and deserve the fucking stupid comment more! I have 2 tertiary qualifications and worked in many companies and industries so I’m sure my lived experience trumps his “tia gong” anecdotes from his friend! How does my father even know his friend is not straight up bullshitting him? There is no way to verify that info and when he goes around giving people unsolicited advice about unverified anecdotes, that is where I draw the line at ignoring him!

      Like I’m sure I’ve shared this stupid anecdote of his many times before. He keeps telling me his friend who works as a manager in McD drawing a monthly salary of 2.5k is able to support his spouse and 2 kids and they are happy. So for someone like me who used to draw a 5k salary it should be more than sufficient to support a spouse and kids if I wanted to! Nevermind that he doesn’t actually know if that “friend’s” kids are actually happy or if my circumstances are different from that “friend” so there is no way to draw any conclusions just from salary alone!

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    11. Oh yeah, I call my parents stupid and here's the thing. My parents react very differently to that. My mother is terrified of being judged, for her being labelled stupid is so painful, it is a lost of face. She would run out of the room and lock herself in the toilet as she feels so humiliated. My sister told me that my mother has very low self-esteem, so that's like the worst thing anyone can say to her and sometimes I think it's cruel if I were to push that button, but if she genuinely says something very offensive, then I will call a spade a spade. I've called my father stupid to his face a zillion times but how does he deal with it? He changes the topic. The most recent time I did that, I called him stupid and he reacted with, I have cancer, do you know your two sisters have spent so many nights staying up with me in the hospital when I am dying of cancer? He just plays the cancer card and I'm like, yeah I wish you'd just die so you see, the cancer card doesn't work on me anymore. Sounds ridiculously cruel of course, but that's my way to show him that the cancer card doesn't work on me. I've had long enough to get used to the fact that he's got terminal cancer and he's going to die anyway at that age, like he's nearly 90. It won't be a surprise or shock. So the pattern goes like this: 1. I call him stupid. 2. He plays the cancer card. 3. I tell him I don't care really, ref: cancer card. 4. He keeps playing the cancer card and won't shut up about it because he doesn't have any other cards to play. 5. I go back to calling him stupid which triggers 6. More cancer crap.

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    12. Well I know it is no point to reason with my father. I doubt calling him stupid even matters since his skin is super thick! He is a self proclaimed expert in investments probably better than Warren Buffett since he claims to have never lost money before (not true as his wife can attest).

      Anyway the best way to shut him up is just hang up the phone and ignore him. I have gone close to 2 years without speaking to him. I'm not missing out on much I'm sure!

      As for your father, he is trying to emotionally manipulate you. Unfortunately for him it doesn't work on you, unlike your sisters! Anyway I don't get what he is trying to prove. A stupid person who has cancer just becomes a cancerous idiot. It doesn't change him into Einstein!

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    13. Oh he can try to emotionally manipulate me and my sisters enable that kind of behaviour each time he plays the "I'm dying of cancer card". But that's the thing, some people will let you walk all over them whilst others will stand up to you if they feel you're being unreasonable. I'm the latter. He's tried everything - I'm dying of cancer, I'll tell all the relatives you're a horrible son etc - my response is, see if I care, go ahead, please do whatever you want but I gain a certain satisfaction if refusing to let you manipulate me. I may choose to show mercy and kindness if he is dying of cancer, but I will always do it on my terms, not his.

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    14. Let me give you an example to compare it to: I'm sure we all get scam calls. People will call us up out of the blue and try to scam us. It is a fact of modern life. But just because they try to do so doesn't mean we will automatically just let them scam us of our money. No, we know how to react to situations like that and we deny them what they are trying to get out of us. I treat the situation with my father in very much the same spirit. I don't see much difference.

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