Saturday, 7 February 2026

The latest chapter in the Amos Yee saga

Hello everyone, this is the draft to my latest podcast which you can listen to by clicking on this link here. I do recommend listening to it even if you are reading it here as I often just add more thoughts that come to me whilst recording the podcast, so there will be certain points that are not written down here in the draft. This is a hot topic and I'd like to share my point of view here. I am sure many of you have read excerpts from Amos Yee's latest post on the 4th February where he openly baited PM Lawrence Wong. Yee wrote on his blog: "You think I'm just going to quietly accept my punishment and agree to serve in the military? Hah! I'm going to continue to swerve the military. There will be numerous court dates, me coming in and out of prison, each time I'll maybe write a blogpost here, make a video there, condemning the military, condemning the government. All the attentions (sic) and negative press you and I will receive, it'll be amazing."

Let me respond to what he wrote. Firstly, there is no absolutely bargaining when it comes to the Singaporean military system, the rules are clear: either you serve your time as you are obliged to or you will be jailed. Allow me to use the case study of Jehovah's Witnesses who are conscientious objectors, that means they refuse to serve military service because of their religious beliefs. In 2021, the BBC did a story on one such young man Yeo Zhengye who served 3 years in jail and there was no swerving the jail sentence, or trying to offer the system some kind of alternative. There is already a clear precedent when it comes to those who refuse to serve their military service in Singapore. There is no trial by jury like in an American legal drama - the sentencing will be swift and harsh, Yee will feel the full brunt of the Singaporean legal system and the worst part of it all, it is clear from what he has written that he doesn't even know what awaits him in Singapore. Threatening the prime minister by making posts on social media and making videos critical of the government and the military really isn't going to change the system at all. Amos Yee has overestimated the power of his influence on social media because he is never going to be able to get the media and the public on his side - now that's an important lesson about social media that Amos Yee doesn't seem to understand. Sure you can shout all you want on social media and express your point of view about the Singaporean system, but if you want people to take you seriously, you need to produce content that is interesting, engaging, entertaining and of high quality. If you are just an angry person ranting on the internet but your content is ultimately poorly produced and of low quality, then you're not going to get much attention - at best, you will be ignored and at worst, you will be condemned, mocked and insulted for having the gall to believe that anyone would listen to you when you present content like that. So if you are going to make a threat, then it has got to be a credible one whereby non-compliance would result in serious consequences. Otherwise, this is what is known as an empty threat, where there are in fact no real consequences if you do not comply. So let's look at a hypothetical situation.

In this hypothetical situation, Amos Yee gets deported to Singapore, he follows up with a bunch of social media posts condemning everything from the PAP to the military system. But what happens next? Well, he will be condemned by the Singaporean public as it is clear that he already a social pariah and a convicted sex offender. People from the rest of the world will take a look at that reaction and think, if that's how the locals in Singapore feel about Amos Yee, then we're not going to voice an opinion. No, even human rights advocates in the West will choose to keep quiet even if Amos Yee does make some valid points about the military system in Singapore. After all, it would seem extremely arrogant of someone in Europe to judge what is happening in Singapore whilst ignoring the views of the locals there. Amos Yee would have to learn the hard way that he no longer commands any kind of attention on social media even if he tries to put out more and more provocative content. The world has moved on - it was 2015 when his first controversial video came out a few days after the death of Lee Kuan Yew and yes there was an element of using shock tactics to gain media attention at a time of national mourning. But 11 years have passed and it is 2026, you can't use the same trick again and expect the same kind of response from the Singaporean public. More to the point, back then in 2015, he was a precocious 17 year old and many were willing to be forgiving, chalkin up his actions to his immaturity. Like many at the time, I was sympathetic too towards Amos Yee as I empathised with the kind of frustration he felt, that drove him to make that video. However today, he is not just an adult at 27 but a convicted sex offender who has served time in jail for those crimes and nobody out there is going to be forgiving or empathetic towards him. In fact, people in Singapore are going to be extremely hostile towards him and that has already been covered in my last podcast. So for Amos Yee to think that he can influence any kind of government policy when he is already in such a desperate situation, he is clearly oblivious to his predicament. 

Look, I'm not here to defend the military system in Singapore - allow me to state for the record, I did serve 2 years 4 months of national service back from 1995 to 1997. I did not have a good time there and yes, I wish I didn't have to serve it so I could've gotten on with my life as a young man and I saw that period of time as a total waste of my youth. It was one aspect of my time in Singapore I really didn't like - yet I accepted the fact that there was just no way to dodge it as my very working class parents were never going to emigrate to another country. I have mentioned this in my podcast before, I have a former classmate from secondary school Chris whose family moved to Canada and he subsequently obtained Canadian citizenship. He chose not to return to Singapore to serve national service and so can never ever set foot in Singapore again as he would be arrested on arrival even as a Canadian citizen, but guess what? Chris is a rich and successful businessman in Toronto today and he is very happy never to set foot in Singapore ever again. It is a small price to pay for not having to serve NS and as a businessman, he would say that is a very good deal. In life, you have to play the hands you are dealt and Chris clearly got dealt much better cards than I did. I could only move away from Singapore after I had served my NS obligations and there was no alternative. My point is that there are many Singaporean men who clearly feel the same way as I do about NS - they really hate it but accept that they have no other choice but to do what is required of them whilst resenting every moment of it whilst trying to make the best of a bad situation. Did you think all these millions of Singaporean men who have gone through NS were just waiting for someone like Amos Yee to come along and condemn the system on social media? No, Amos Yee has no credibility as someone who has not even been through the system - he's just an immature young person who doesn't want to serve NS and even if he makes some valid points about the inherent unfairness of the system, the very people who are most affected by the system - Singaporean men - will not be give Amos Yee any kind of support and are more than likely to mock, condemn and dismiss him as just an immature dumb kid who hasn't yet earned the right to have an opinion on NS.

Allow me to give you an analogy - I've just come back from a holiday in South Korea and there's a popular fast food restaurant chain called Mom's Touch. They serve burgers, fried chicken and a range of Korean side dishes - so imagine someone trying to have an opinion on Mom's Touch or judge their food - well, first you have to go to South Korea or one of the other countries where they happen to have a restaurant and have a meal there, before you have the right to have that judgment. If you're simply judging it based on pictures you have seen on the internet or Youtube videos you have watched, then no - that does not give you the right to pass judgment on the issue given that you've not actually tasted their food. The same thing applies to NS, Amos Yee has gone out of his way to avoid serving NS by fleeing the country and whilst that doesn't stop him from voicing an opinion on the issue, people in Singapore would not take any of his opinions on the matter seriously - it'll be like someone passing judgment on Mom's Touch without having actually eaten a meal there. If I were to be generous and kind, I'd advice Amos Yee to simply do his time in NS as it can't be any worse than the alternative of spending even more time in jail and it would definitely be the better of the two options. In any case, I need to point out as well that Amos Yee has been out of Singapore since 2016 - he has been away for nearly ten years and a lot has changed in Singapore since he was last there. If you want to make any kind of criticism of the system or the government of Singapore, you need to have credibility - you need to demonstrate that you do have a very good understanding of the subject matter and it is not like Amos Yee has been a super successful professional in the West for the last decade and is now able to compare the system in Singapore to that of America. Instead Amos Yee has spent most of the last ten years in either detention facilities or jails; neither offer much opportunity to broaden his mind or nurture him as a young adult - going to jail is not an alternative to going to university or getting a job. The prison service is there to punish you for crimes that you have committed, not educate or nurture you. By that token, Amos Yee has zero credibility - he can shout all he wants online about it, nobody is going to give him any credence or take him seriously. 

In his post, which was addressed to PM Lawrence Wong, Yee urged the Singapore government to "refuse to issue travel documents for me to return". Yee claimed that he could then be deported to another country or remain in America.

I have already discussed this point in my last podcast on Amos Yee - basically, that's not going to happen. After all, Yee is still a citizen of Singapore whilst the US is very keen on deporting him, just look at the stance of the current government and the activities of ICE there, trying to meet their daily quotas of arrests and deportations of illegal immigrants. Under the previous president, Amos Yee might have stood a better chance of staying on in the US but with Trump in charge, there's just no chance that can happen. Do they allow inmates in American prisons access to the news? It seems like Amos Yee is completely oblivious to the current political climate in the US. So, what Amos Yee has conveniently forgotten is that if Singapore refuses to take him back, that would anger the American authorities and would potentially sour the relationship between the two countries at this time. Trump is known for throwing tariffs at countries that displease him and therefore Singapore wouldn't want to take such a risk at this time over Amos Yee. After all, Singapore has nothing to gain by upsetting the American authorities on the issue of Amos Yee. Quite simply, Singapore has absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by giving Amos Yee what he wants, so not surprisingly, we can expect him to be deported back to Singapore very soon. That would be the rational decision by the Singaporean government, mostly because they just don't want to displease the American government over this issue. As for this talk about being deported to another country - Amos Yee is once again totally oblivious to the fact that he is not a political dissident but a convicted sex offender at this stage, so there isn't a single country in the world that would accept him under these circumstances. 

This could "risk jeopardising that comfortable political position". He wrote: "There's a possibility that I get arrested and barely anyone cares. But why even take the chance? Call me naive but I think if I really put my mind to it, I can topple Singapore 60 years dictatorship (sic)." "You can choose to underestimate me and I think after a dozen public protests and a lost election later, it'll dawn on you... why did we let him back into Singapore and resurrect his popularity again?"

I can only shake my head at what Amos Yee wrote there - he writes like a angry teenager, not a well-educated, reasonable, rational adult whom one can take seriously. After all, he dropped out of school at the age of 17 and hasn't done any real work or training since, having spent most of the last ten years in jail. It is no wonder that he doesn't sound like a professional adult at the age of 27 but more like a teenager. He is more intent on venting his anger and frustration without once thinking how people reading this would interpret his choice of words and as someone who has forged a career in sales & marketing, I am aghast at just how totally oblivious he is to the way he is coming across to others. There is such a huge gap between how Amos Yee imagines he will be perceived by people like me and reality. I'd like to see him try to topple the PAP and fail miserably - after all, we have seen regime change in some countries in the last few decades but history will tell you that they really only happen under two circumstances. Firstly, you need a popular uprising backed by the vast majority of the population - this happened in four countries during the period of 2010 to 2011 known as the Arab Spring, in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen. Secondly, you need foreign intervention, such as in the case of Iraq in 2003 when the US troops captured president Saddam Hussein. Well Amos, I have news for you: neither are going to happen in Singapore during your lifetime. The fact is life in Singapore isn't perfect, but it is good enough for most people not to want to rock the boat and change things too much. There are people like myself, who weren't happy with the way things were in Singapore but instead of trying to start a revolution, most of us left for greener pastures elsewhere and pursued a future abroad in countries more aligned with our values. It is the path of least resistance: start a revolution that is unlikely to succeed or move abroad - I opted for the latter. Look at what is happening in Iran at the moment, thousands have been killed in protests just this year and the government is still in charge there. Amos Yee has clearly underestimated just how hard it is to persuade Singaporeans that it is time for a revolution and regime change. 

Amos Yee talked about resurrecting his popularity in Singapore - really? How delusional is that? There was a short period of 2011 to 2012 when Yee enjoyed some success as a child actor in Singapore but please, let's put that in context. It was not like he was immortalized in the Harry Potter films and found worldwide stardom at that age. He was a full time student then so the projects he was involved in were either short films or a few short scenes in local films. His success was limited at best within that context and more to the point, it was during a time when actors had much fewer routes to success.  Thus we are talking about a period that is about 15 years ago when Amos Yee last achieved some limited level of local popularity as an actor within that very limited context all those years ago. However, times have changed. Nowadays, anyone can become a star on social media - all they need is their phone and loads of creativity. They don't need a casting director to give them their big break in a feature length film or TV show, they can create new opportunities for themselves with each post they do on TikTok or Instagram. If Amos Yee thinks he can compete with a whole new generation of Singaporean social media influencers, he is wrong - he can't. There's just no way. There was a time when Amos Yee had a limited amount of popularity as a child actor, then he achieved infamy and notoriety with his Youtube videos - Singapore is not the kind of place to give people second chances. Case in point, let's look at what happened to actor Ian Fang. He is a disgraced former actor who was jailed for having sex with a minor in Singapore, upon the completion of his jail sentence, his PR status was revoked and he is in the process of being deported from Singapore; on top of that, he will be barred from ever re-entering Singapore. Ian Fang doesn't have any fans or supporters at this stage given the severity of his crimes - there aren't any societies in the world where the public is forgiving towards those who commit sex offences involving minors. There was no way Ian Fang was going to relaunch his acting career in Singapore or China after he became a convicted sex offender - whilst we don't expect actors to live like nuns and monks, but we certainly won't tolerate convicted sex offenders. There is a minimum standard for most professions and as a convicted sex offender of crimes involving minors, Amos Yee has fallen so far below any of those standards for any and every industry and profession. It is ironic that he seems totally oblivious to this fact or perhaps he is still in complete denial. 

But I'd like to finish by talking about the elephant in the room - if you want to become the leading figure to start a revolution in a country, you need to be committed to that country. I'd imagine the classic figure for such a cause would be a highly educated doctor who has turned out lucrative opportunities abroad only to return to Singapore to work in a local hospital, serving the poorest in society and spending every free moment doing charity work. After decades of sacrifice, people would look at this doctor with such gratitude and admiration -that is how you earn the kind of social capital and credibility to become a figure like Ghandi, Trotsky and Zapata. Amos Yee has done absolutely nothing to win the hearts and minds of Singaporeans - he ran away from Singapore only to become a convicted sex offender in America and ended up being deported in disgrace to face another long jail sentence in Singapore. Politics is one huge popularity contest and Amos Yee just doesn't understand what it takes to become popular - indeed, even as a child in Singapore, he was isolated with very few friends and struggled connecting with his peers. Has Amos Yee underestimated just how hard it is to start a political movement in Singapore to challenge the PAP? Even when very credible opposition candidates like Jamus Lim of the Workers Party enter politics, he is really only focused on local issues, to try to improve the lives of the people he represents rather than trying to start a revolution to get rid of the PAP. Sidenote: I went to school with Jamus Lim, we were both at RI together from 1989 to 1992. You can't just expect to start a revolution by making Youtube videos in your bedroom - no, that's not how politics works. Amos Yee is just so oblivious to just how little he understands about how politics actually works and at this point, it just looks like self-harm - he is going to keep getting into trouble and spend most if not all of his adult life in jail if he keeps this up. He doesn't understand that you need to start by earning the respect of the public to have some credibility in politics and Amos Yee has done none of that, nor does he intend to do any of it. He is also oblivious to the fact that almost all Singaporeans really hate him at this point and want to see him rot in jail for a very long time. Oh and even if Amos Yee tried to join an opposition party in Singapore, he would be rejected by every single one of them given how he is a convicted sex offender. He is a social outcast with no future in Singapore.

You know, there's a saying: don't kick a man when he is down and Amos Yee is definitely down. The future looks very bleak for him - he's about to leave a grim American prison for an even grimmer  Singaporean prison, life is definitely going to be harder for him in Singapore and the only visitors he gets would be his parents and possibly other close family members. And if he still refuses to serve NS after his initial prison sentence, that's another 3 years of jail time for him and he would be in his 30s by the time he gets out at last. Most people would have spent the most productive time of their youth in further education and establishing a career, Amos Yee has done none of that and has instead spent most of it in various prisons. How is he ever going to get a decent job to support himself as an adult after all this? That is sad, but you have got to hold him responsible for the mistakes he has made that has led up to this point. He had a chance to start a new life in America when he was granted asylum but he just couldn't stay out of trouble and ended up back in jail - let's look at the case of Malaysian dissident Alvin Tan who was in the same position and was also granted asylum in the USA. Well, Tan is having a great time living in California and finally in 2025, he naturalized as a US citizen. He is making good money, he is living the American dream and he has not squandered this second chance he has been given, if only Amos Yee could have followed Alvin Tan's example. There is little to suggest that any kind of punishment in prison has reformed Amos Yee's character and he doesn't seem to understand that there are consequences to his actions when he breaks the law. Whilst he may have gotten away with a lot as a teenager in the past in Singapore but that leniency is no longer extended to him as an adult. Like many of you, I shall be monitoring this story over the next few days and I'll be very interested to see what kind of jail sentence he gets upon arrival in Singapore. Thank you very much for listening. 


27 comments:

  1. @LIFT, similar to you, i went thru the entire gamut of NS including additional 3 months PTP (physical training phase) on top of the 2.4 months full term of service for educated people (0'level and below holders get a slight discount to 2 years). On top of that, I had to serve 13 years of operationally ready national service as an NSmen with 7 high-key and 3 low-key in-camp training sessions of up to 40 days per calendar year!

    So when some ignorant people (females especially) say that NS is just a 2 (or 2+ years) of sacrifice they are entirely wrong, it is way way longer! I hate everything about the NS experience and intentionally did the absolute worse not to enter command school since my shooting range score (3 points shy of marksman), my gold medal in IPPT, and clearing the standard obstacle course under 10:30 mins made me one of the top recruits in the company (not my intention). I had to intentionally fall out of the SIT test and also asked all my platoon mates to give me a lousy peer review in order to not enter command school! I was eventually promoted to 3SG as an NSmen but that is a story for another day.

    After BMT I was posted to an Airforce unit where I intentionally malingered (statue of limitations have passed so i will admit this now) by claiming a chronic back injury which caused me to drop out of the weapon operator course and be posted to the unit as a clerk. That was how I managed to not only complete my fulltime NS obligations but NSmen obligations was well without any serious physical injury (with exception of the non-existant back injury) or even dying! Do not be naive enough to think that the Singapore government or Mindef give two hoots about you if were to suffer a permanent injury or even die while fulfilling your NS obligations. You are just a cog in the military apparatus and as a biological male you don't have a choice in the matter so you would just have to accept it and make the best out of a horrible situation.

    Now on to Amos, I have 0 sympathy for him. As much as I hate NS, the PAP and most of Singapore including the massive influx past and current of foreign workers (talent or not I reserve judgement), I don't get the point of what he is trying to achieve. He has not only made enemies of most of Singapore, but now US of A and who know which other Western liberal country. You do not start a revolution of one! Gandhi had massive support so Khomeini, who had the support of most of the Iranian merchants and unemployed youths of the day.

    To start a revolution you first need support of the masses, or at least military support as in the case of Thailand and Myanmar. Without any of these you are just a solo protestor and have 0 clout! So the chances of Amos toppling the SG government is 0% IMO.

    Now as to my prediction on what his future holds once he is back in SG? Well it is first to jail for a very long time with no early release for good behavior. Then once he is released he would have to find ways of supporting himself. Content creator is out since it is highly competitive and he would be many decades out of touch and highly irrelevant (Youtube algo moves fast). Being an ex-convict in not one but two countries and with 0 qualifications means he is unlikely to find any gainful employment. I doubt even food delivery platforms would accept him and I doubt he has a drivers license so Taxi and PHV is also out. So he is going to go back home to mommy and continue to leech on them and be a useless person until the day he dies, is my guess. High chance he is going to do something illegal (drug smuggling, loansharking, etc) to make a quick buck and is going to go back in prison or face the ultimate death penalty! But those are all just my predictions, I wonder if anyone else has a rosier image to paint on Amos's future?

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    1. I think it is so condescending of Yee to think that Singaporeans who aren't happy with the status quo are just waiting for someone like him to come along and start a revolution, as if there haven't been any attempts by the locals who are committed to a future in Singapore to try to make things better. But onto his behaviour, sigh - there's an element of it that comes across as very childish. It's this "don't harm me and I won't harm you" exchange and failing which, he is going to do something stupid to harm himself either directly (in a form of self-harm or suicide) or he's going to willingly break the law and land himself back in jail. A far more sensible approach to getting what you want is to offer the other party something they want in order to make a trade but the issue with Amos is that he has nothing to trade, nothing to offer to even make a strong case like that. In this case, someone who is smart would adopt a poker player approach and call the other party's bluff and claim, you may think you have a strong hand against me, but you don't know what cards I am holding. Amos has already revealed his cards - that's so bloody stupid - we all know how that all he can do is write blog posts and create Youtube videos, nothing else. If you wanna do the Poker player approach, you do not reveal your cards and he's done just that and I'm like, hahahaha your cards are terrible. The fundamental problem with a lot of stupid people (Amos Yee in particular but not just him, I see this a lot in dumb people) is that they never ask the question, "I am not clever enough to find the solution here, what would a smarter person do? Let me see what more intelligent people have done in this kind of situation, I ought to ask for help from a smarter person or at least do some research to find answers, rather than be limited to my own understanding of the matter since I am clearly not smart enough." No, that thought never crosses their mind and they seem to think that they can just come up with their own solutions and it will be sufficient? Yeah right, as if, no way.

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    2. Talking about stupid people and older people in general (related to your previous post). At this current JP clinic I am working at there is this old man who retired from SGH and is working fulltime now at this JP clinic. In the 3 years he has been there he has learnt 0 Japanese, made lots of screw ups, did lots of things that can be considered as conflicts of interest (promoting his MLM products to both patients and staff)! I seriously don’t know why the company puts up with his nonsense!

      Talking about poker and showing his cards. He is trying to play some game to force me into making a forced error but unfortunately I am both smarter and faster than him! He keeps walking past me when I am with a patient then stands behind me to give me pressure. So I basically snatched all patients and did the same thing back to him, I stood behind him to pressure him and he has no way of doing the same thing back to me since I personally instructed the nurses to pass all patients to me directly henceforth!

      But he is also fully capable of self-sabotage and has made many unforced errors and the company has decided to either let him go or not renew his contract (1 week to left). Personally I don’t give a fuck since I charge the clinic to solve his screwups and I am a freelancer not an employee so once my contract is over I just bounce and go on holiday to HK and SZ!

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  2. @choaniki I am a Singaporean woman who has lived in London for 13 years (and the West for 15 years), I have a 7 month old son who has received dual English and German citizenship. Ironically the people who tell me that my British born son should do NS are not Singaporeans but British people. They tell me that Singapore is such a rich country with a powerful passport so the NS obligations are justified. I can't even begin to unpack that. And the UK would be so poor that my son would have to be an economic refugee in Singapore. That is before I explain the singapore government expects me to surrender 50% of domestic household income as a bond once my son turns 13 if I am dumb enough to take up singapore citizenship on his behalf.

    Well I can't predict what would happen in 20 years but my experience of London is that I bought my London flat for the same price of a hdb resale when I was 26 years old (jointly with my husband who was 29) with just 3 years of work experience and I didn't even, have indefinite leave to remain then. Tell me how many immigrants in Singapore can do this, I have heard of bankers with 3 kids (married to Singaporean) who only received PR after 10 years.

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  3. @Sandra we have all suffered thru the pointless exercise called NS I would not recommend any non-citizens to have to go through it just to protect the asset of rich foreigners who never need serve yet get the enjoy the free protection!

    Until the day that all female citizens are compelled to serve I would say don't sacrifice foreign born males to make SG females even more entitled than they already are!

    My 2 cts!

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    1. Allow me to offer my 5 cents on this topic: let's make a general evaluation of the situation for the options that this 7 month old baby has. We need to look at what this baby boy is giving up (ie. 2 years of his youth) vs what gains he will get in return for that sacrifice. This is a very simple cost-benefit analysis, it is called getting value for your money. I do that all the time, even on a simple trip to the supermarket and I spot a new product on the shelf there - I look at the price, I decide if I like the product and I quickly evaluate if it is a price worth paying for that product. Even at that level, we will do a quick value judgment to decide if we're getting a good deal for a product at a supermarket; so the bigger the price one has to pay, the more careful we have to be to make sure we are indeed getting a good deal and 2 years of this boy's life is possibly the biggest price you can ask him to pay. So of course, you'd want a good deal for the young man. However, the claim that Singapore is a rich country is a moot point - the wealth isn't shared equally and every person in Singapore is expected to earn their own pot of wealth if they have that desire to become rich. In any rich country in the world, there are still plenty of people who are very poor - try telling a poor, working class family in Hougang struggling to make ends meet that they live in a rich country, it almost seems cruel to do so. Why do people make this incorrect, false assumption that living in a rich country would automatically make you rich? Such a correlation doesn't exist. And even if you have a powerful passport as a Singaporean, that's really only for tourism purposes. If a Singaporean wants to work in a country like Australia or the UK, then they would still need a work permit. Again, we go back to visit that poor, working class family in Hougang and remind them they have a very powerful passport - what good is it to them if they can't afford foreign travel and luxury holidays? In any case, I have rich friends from countries with a relatively weak passport - they still get to travel a lot even if it involves the additional hassle and cost of obtaining a visa before visiting some countries. It is but a minor inconvenience for them. Part 2 coming up below.

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    2. Now for part 2: the boy would be 18 by the time he has to serve NS. If he was a super brilliant, intelligent, talented student, then he would be impatiently waiting to go to university for further educated, looking forward to a bright future. And if he wasn't that smart and struggled with the formal education system, then NS isn't going to be some kind of magical process to turn a below average loser who hasn't achieved anything into some kind of super high achieving scholar who is motivated to succeed. The fact is NS changes nothing. If you're already a proven success by the time to start NS, you're going to leave NS ready to pick up where you have left off and achieve a lot more with your life. But if you're a loser who has done very little, then you're going to go right back to that when you complete your NS. NS isn't there to fill in the gaps where the parents have failed, instead the young man is there to serve the country whilst the system has no obligation whatsoever to the parents in return for that service. If the parents are delusional enough to believe that the system is somehow so benevolent that they will act like a loving, doting uncle or big brother - then they need a reality check about what NS is really all about. After all, it mostly boils down to two crucial factors to determine just how successful or otherwise the young man is by the time he turns 18: a) the genetic lottery, just how high is this young man's IQ? and b) what kind of parents did the boy have and what was the quality of the upbringing. If the young man is unlucky enough to perform badly on both of these factors, then NS isn't going to be the fairy godmother to somehow wave a magic wand and fix everything that has gone very wrong in this young man's life. Parents have no control over how high (or low) their child's IQ would be, that is completely down to luck, but they can invest a lot of blood, sweat, tears and money to make sure they give that child the best possible upbringing and take responsibility for that aspect, instead of stupidly wishing a 3rd party like the SAF to step in like some kind of benevolent fairy godmother at that late stage.

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    3. @LIFT I think we have had this conversation online and offline many times before. The rich and powerful will always be comfortable and insulated from the struggles of society no matter which country they are from!

      I don't for a second believe that 金三胖 (PRC name for Kim Jong Un) is miserable in his heavily sanctioned country with his special harem (pleasure squad) and all the food and alcohol he can ever consume!

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  4. @LIFT taking about people with no credibility, did you read Amos Yee’s most recent post on why NS sucks! It is just like a blind man trying to review a Picasso painting, what does he understand about NS, having never gone thru it?!!

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    1. I have just read it and I think he gives the system way too much credibility and he is condescending to people like me. Sure I went through NS and even if they tried to brainwash me, did it work? No, I know how to think for myself. I'm not a fool who is that easily brainwashed and Yee assumes that all if not most Singaporean men who serve NS will end up brainwashed into loyal subjects - that is not always the case.

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    2. I concur. I went in hating the ruling party and NS and left in not way, shape or form changed. In between training you up for BMT and then unit life I doubt there is any time for actual "reeducation" or any such overtime brainwashing sessions.

      I would say most of the people loyal to their country and who wish to enter OCS already made up their mind long before they enlisted!

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    3. If I may offer my reflections on my own experience on the matter please, on the topic of aiming to do OCS. It is not necessarily a choice that is founded upon this type of brainwashed blind loyalty to the PAP. Let me give you a few examples which I had come across. We all accept that we have to do NS, we have no choice about the matter at all, so some have arrived at the conclusion that i would be better to go through NS as an officer higher up the food chain than to suffer lower down the food chain - it is a theory not grounded in loyalty or patriotism but self-interest. The other case study involved a young man who was just so desperate to impress everyone from future girlfriends, his peers to prospective employers that he was willing to do anything to make his time in NS count and look good on his CV, thus he was very keen to get into OCS out of that desire which was still ultimately a form of self-interest rather than any kind of loyalty or patriotism. I am sure there are some who are indeed motivated by a form of loyalty or patriotism, but that's not always the case.

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    4. I remember watching a movie about the concentration camps of WW2 in Nazi controlled parts of Europe where there were some Jews who conspired with the Germans in the concentration camps - it was not because they were brainwashed into Nazi ideology, but they were simply trying to make the best of a very bad situation and collaborating with their captors made their lives a bit easier as they had more privileges in the concentration camp. I think there's an element of that when I see some of my peers who went to OCS, it was a rational decision to make the best of a bad situation - they're going to have to serve NS regardless, so they believe that they might have a better time as an officer than a lower-ranked soldier in that context; kinda like what I saw in that WW2 movie.

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    5. Well I think one would think that by choosing to go to command school you would think you would impress the opposite gender or might have a better experience in NS, I would argue that isn't necessarily true! And a good analogy for that is that a guy who goes to the gym to get huge, well defined muscles mostly impress other guys or gays instead of females instead.

      As I mentioned in my earlier post, my results as a recruit were so impressive that had I not intentionally sabotaged my SIT test and peer review results I definitely would have entered command school (OCS or SISPEC). This was reflected In my red soldier booklet and my PC mentioned it to me during a one-to-one interview so it is not just my ego speaking!

      I eventually became a commander anyway as they sent me for an upgrading course during my NSmen time and I was eventually promoted to 3SG on completion of the course! As a commander I had to do extra shit like be range camber safety to check that the men were following orders during live ranges. So while the men (CPL and below could chillax after shooting, all commanders had extra saikang to do, it came with the higher rank (with great power comes great responsibility).

      Also as a commander, you would likely become a KAH (key appointment holder) and the unit would likely call you back for more and longer training and/or overseas exercises (unpaid of course)! Or you could end up injuring yourself during training like my elder brother who fractured his forearm during OCS. He was eventually commissioned since he signed on and they couldn't throw him out of course. But as an officer he now has to be called up to 55 years old instead of 40 for NCO and men.

      The only advantage I would conceed is that with higher rank came higher NS allowances! But that is penny wise pound foolish! If I were you, highly not recommended! As someone who has experienced both sides of the coin I cannot stress the importance of not being a commander! You would eventually regret it during your NSmen days!

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    6. Well I'm not saying that I agree or condone the decision to go to OCS for those motivations like impressing a lady you wanna date or get a better experience in NS, that was simply what I have observed during my time. I also wish to clarify that I stated that it would be to impress 'peers' to that makes it more generally to all friends and family who are around the same age, rather specifically for the dating purpose. I hear everything you're saying about the extra responsibilities, but I suppose the rebuttal to that is the culture of bullying whereby those of lower rank are often routinely bullied by those of higher rank. i have a very, very long story to share about this and it is an example of why one might be motivated to achieve a higher rank within this culture of bullying. So it's a double edged sword: more responsibilities but the potential of avoiding some bullying as your rank is higher than most of your peers who didn't go to OCS. Story coming soon.

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    7. OK this is a story involving someone who is a prominent figure in Singapore - Minister Desmond Lee (minster for education). I went to school with him in RI and his father is Lee Yock Suan, another very prominent member of the PAP who has held very high office in the government before retirement. Needless to say, Desmond was a 'white horse' during BMT as everyone knew of his father's position in the government. He was untouchable and there was one 3SG, let's call him 3SG Pui because I can't remember his name but he was quite fat and he spoke Hokkien. Here's 3SG Pui's sob story: he wasn't from a rich family, he went to a neighbourhood JC and got very poor grades and so he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. His grades would not get him into a good local university like NUS, his parents didn't have the money to send him abroad but with his duties serving NS, there was just no way he could find the time to study to resit his A levels to get the grades he thought he deserved. It seemed that 3SG Pui had pretty good results at school but just had bad luck and performed very poorly at the exams. Like he fell very sick during the exam period and it affected his performance, so he had good reason to claim that the poor grades didn't accurately reflect his ability but NUS wouldn't hear his appeal. So in his desperation, he was trying to ask Desmond Lee if his father could intervene to help pull some strings to try to get someone higher up the food chain to show his case some compassion and mercy. However, 3SG Pui was a nasty person and he was angry - he felt like he got a bad deal with the whole A levels thing, call it bad luck and he really hated all of these A level boys who knew they had good enough grades to have their pick of good universities + scholarships. Pui would go out of his way to bully those who came from good schools - nothing personal, it was just that these kids from good schools represented the good life that Pui would never ever have. Part 2 below.

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    8. However, Pui was super nice to Desmond Lee because he wanted something from Desmond, he wanted Desmond to get his father to use his influence to help him out. However, Pui neglected the fact that the very people that he was targeting with his relentless bullying were Desmond's closest friends. You see, Pui really hated kids who went to RI and/or RJC, so Pui was nastiest to those soldiers who went to those schools but those were the very two schools that Desmond Lee had attended. So Pui had bullied Desmond's best friends in the army, so when Pui asked Desmond for help, there was this moment when Desmond realized, wait a minute - aren't you the scary 3SG who has bullied some of my best friends in the army? So instead of helping Pui with his case, someone (anonymous but we suspect Desmond's involvement as none of us had that much influence as we're just ordinary folks) made a complaint about Pui's conduct and suddenly the bullying stopped. Pui had always been meek in front of his superiors but he was suddenly a lot quieter when before he used to use every opportunity to scream insults at us. So I'm just using one example of Pui - there was plenty more people in the SAF who are just like Pui and so in such a system, there is an argument to be made that unless you're a white horse like Desmond Lee, the only way to avoid the wrath of someone like Pui is to become more senior than Pui in terms of your rank and the only way to do that is via OCS. So that's my long story for you about rank and bullying. It is the Pui factor.

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    9. Guess who was also knew Desmond Lee during NS days? Yours truly! He was from 160 Sqn and I frequently saw him during ICT! I had absolutely no idea you were classmates. If I ever encountered him again I might bring you up. He is going to be so surprised! Small, small world!

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    10. Oh I was with him during BMT but I was from the same batch from RI. He went to RJC, I went to VJC. It was not like we were best friends or anything like that but he was pretty high profile (especially because of his family background) and most people would remember me as the gymnast.

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    11. Anyway, my point is simple: unless you're a white horse like Desmond Lee, you had legitimate reason to fear people like Pui because they could potentially make life very hard for you during NS. So it is entirely plausible that some of the people who encountered Pui came to the conclusion that the only way to have an easier time in NS would be to become of a higher rank, ie. an officer since Pui was only a 3SG at the time and 2LT would trump 3SG. Since the vast majority of us were not white horses, this desire to do OCS as a means to avoid bullying isn't a totally unreasonable conclusion for those who have encountered bullies like Pui.

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    12. But such is NS lah, there are no perfect solutions. After all, everyone in NS is just making the best of a bad situation, we play the hand we are dealt and we try to consider what will give us the best possible outcome - like I'm sure you've encountered and witnessed enough bullying in your time there.

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    13. It is what it is. We all have to do the best we can given our shitty circumstances. Which is why I don’t understand why anyone, especially local or foreign women like to romanticize NS as some magical character building tool! Maybe they drank too much of the PAP koolaid!

      For anyone reading this who did not have the misfortune of going thru NS and are now thinking of “sacrificing” your male offspring for 2 years fulltime in addition to 10 over years of operationally ready NS callups I highly recommend you don’t do it! The tax savings is not work the risk of death, permanent injury, mental trauma via all the bully and just all the opportunity cost lost!

      Maybe consider migrating to another country since SG in another 10 years is going to be overrun with South Asians and PRCs!

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    14. I have a theory as to why some people romanticize about NS as a positive experience. I have used this story before so I will keep it short. I was on a trip traveling across Europe when I was on an inter-city bus, the bus broke down in a small town in Germany very near the French border. My husband and I thought, oh well we're stuck here for like 3 to 4 hours before they can organize a replacement bus for us to get to our destination, let's go explore this town. We even started chatting some an English speaking older lady since she was on the same bus but she decided to sulk - she was like, what do you know about this town? Why do you wanna explore it? What is nice about it? I said, honestly, I don't know, we never planned to visit this place but since we're here, we're gonna go wonder around, use Google maps, find out more and we might have fun, it might not be fun but we're making the best of a bad situation. She was so negative, so pessimistic, she was like no I'm gonna sit here in the bus station and read my book, you guys go ahead with me. As I walked out of that bus station to explore a town I knew nothing about, I was like, what have I got to lose? I'll make the best of my time here - that's exactly the same attitude one can have with NS. You can sulk like that older English speaking lady and decide that no, it's all going to be horrible and I've already decided I'm going to be miserable. Or you could have an open mind and just embrace the unknown. So it's more about this spirit of embracing the unknown than drinking the PAP koolaid. That's my 5 cents on the issue as to why some people might have some optimism. I will even admit that I went into NS with that same spirit of embracing the unknown with a smile on my face, that evaporated within the first few days. I'll leave that kind of optimism for my travels around the world.

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    15. Sorry typo: she said, "you guys go ahead WITHOUT me".

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    16. Well I was specifically talking about females who don't need to serve who romanticise NS as whatever physical training and character building tool which all guys know it is not true!

      The moment a guy enters NS he knows he is in for a very long arduous experience akin to imprisonment which is exactly what that is! Your pink IC is taken away, belongings are all packed away, then you are issued standard military gear and a military duffel bag (used in my case). Then everyone is forced to change to PT kit and gets their hair shaved off to an ugly buzzcut! From then on the bullying (tekan) sessions start and never lets lose until the day you complete full-time NS!

      But by then you would have lost your girlfriend (if you had one on enlistment) 2 years of salary and opportunity cost as well as completed broken self-identity! Only the hardest of people (yours truly) emerge stronger. But that is only because I am anti-fragile, like a diamond, and improve under pressure.

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    17. There is a huge difference between being stuck in a situation and deciding to make the best of it and choosing to do NS (or choosing to make your son do NS) when there are other alternatives (go to university, get some training for a future career, start working etc). I am a firm believer of always trying to make the best of a bad situation (no matter how bad it may be) and thus I tried to make the best of NS, I also went out with a spirit of adventure to explore that small German town whilst that other older lady chose to sulk in the bus station for 3 hours. I had no reason to believe that I would have fun exploring that little town but since I accepted that I was gonna be stuck there, I chose to embrace the hand I was dealt and that was very much the same attitude I had in NS. However, I have another theory as to why mothers (since you're talking about women) may decide that NS is the greatest thing for their sons. Now that's the abdicating of responsibility. There are mothers out there who know that they are woefully inadequate when it comes to their parenting skills, especially in a modern world. Note that I am referencing my own experience with my mother. She could either accept that she has done a terrible job as a mother and has let her son down in terms of preparing him for the modern world, or she can say, "it's okay, what I have done is enough because he is going to NS and NS will make everything okay, so it doesn't really matter whether or not I have done enough as a parent." It is this belief that someone else (in this case, the SAF) will somehow take over your responsibilities as a parent and offer that 'top up' where you have failed or had been sorely lacking, so everything will be perfectly alright at the end of the day. You and I know better, we'll roll our eyes and say, yeah right as if. There is no benevolent parent type figure in the SAF doing that kind of service, but there are actually so many mothers who cling on to that vain hope - why? It helps them sleep better at night, it makes them believe that this excuses them for being a woefully inadequate parent. As for whether or not fathers share that same belief, that would then depend on their own NS experience.

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    18. Well talking about bad parents, wouldn’t it surprise you that most Singaporean parents are neglectful and/or bad parents? My dad was basically absent most of my formative years and I never had a mother. That’s why I was constantly bullied by my elder brother growing up. I could have basically given up and unalived myself or “man up” and grow a thicker skin. I did the latter. Hence NS was child’s play to me! When I was constantly bullied at home 24/7 ever since I was in primary school, what was the occasion bullying in NS for 2 more years?

      When I mentioned this fact to my dad a few years back he said he didn’t know my elder brother ever bullied me. Well he was never around so how could he have ever known?! And he still claimed credit as being a great parent since he raised 2 children who managed to become independent so early in their teens. We basically raised ourselves, my elder brother and I! And we become successful adults inspite of, not because of my dads (lack of) parenting!

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