Sunday, 8 October 2017

Antipodean anecdotes 2: parenting, dancing and apologizing

Hi guys, at the risk of invading my nephew's privacy, I am going to talk about something he wrote about in his Chinese composition. He wrote a rather long piece about how he ran away from home after an argument with his parents and got kidnapped by bad people - when he was finally rescued by the police, his parents apologized to him over the argument. My father literally lost his shit over the way the story was concluded: Asian parents should never ever apologize to their children under any circumstances. He scolded my nephew angrily for being disrespectful and wanted him to rewrite the ending, he wanted the story to conclude with my nephew apologizing to his parents instead when he realized how wrong he was and how much his parents loved him. But my nephew was pretty adamant not to change his story: after all, he argued that this was just a story he made up and surely he should be able to retain control over the outcome over a piece of fiction, after all he didn't actually get kidnapped and his parents didn't actually apologize to him, none of that is real, it is just a made-up story at the end of the day. So why should my father get so angry over this piece of fiction?
Is the grass greener over there?

My regular readers will know that my father's parenting skills are non-existent to say the least - he is very much a stereotypical Asian parent. Oh I don't doubt that he dotes on my nephew, like hello? Chinese grandfather with his only grandchild? Of course he dotes on my nephew, but it was a missed opportunity. I think that in writing something like that, my nephew is expressing some hidden angst he has about his relationship with his parents and I would have used it as an opportunity to then delve a bit deeper: is this story inspired by something that happened? I think there is a conversation to be had with my nephew about how he feels about his parents and as an autistic child, he finds it hard to express his feelings or express empathy. Writing compositions at school is a rare opportunity that we get a glimpse into what he is feeling and one should take the chance to try to find out what he is really thinking through his writing. But is my father capable of that? Hell no, he's far more autistic than my nephew - he just basically shouted at my nephew and threw a childish tantrum instead of actually doing the sensible thing and having a civilized conversation with my nephew. My nephew seems to be getting more mature each time I see him - but my parents seem to become more and more irrational and childlike by that same token. Oh dear. At times like this, I'm quite relieved I live eight time zones away. 

Am I too critical of my parents' parenting styles? Maybe. But let me contrast this to something I witnessed at Sydney airport. When my flight from Sydney landed, you know how everyone is rushing to get off the plane and well, in front of me, there was a family and the little girl who was about 7 or 8 years old starting spinning around - I suppose you could call that dancing or just an attempt to make herself dizzy from the spinning. I can appreciate that children can easily get bored in airports and planes, but with everyone rushing to get off the plane, the air bridge linking the plane to the terminal was the last place for this child to be 'dancing' like that for she was blocking other passengers trying to rush past her and she could have easily been knocked over by someone dragging one of those suitcases on wheels. But you know what her father did? He said, "wow, Molly that's some really good spinning darling!" He then stopped where he was, took out his phone and starting filming his daughter, blocking everyone else. Cue #facepalm. Guess what? The grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence after all when it comes to white parents who seem to do the complete opposite of what strict Asian parents do. His response to the situation left me exasperated but as I was keen to get off the plane too, I didn't stop to argue with him over what a lousy, awful parent he was. I imagine if a Chinese girl were to do the same thing when disembarking the plane, her parents would probably scold her and drag her off into the airport at once. 
Is there a happy medium between the kind of Asian parenting that my parents offer and that Australian father I encountered at Sydney airport? Of course there is, but what should that happy medium look like? I don't quite know - I suppose good parenting is a bit like the fresh air we breathe. When it is there, it allows us to get along with life and we don't even think about it. But the moment it is something goes wrong (say you're in a lift and someone farts - oh dear, the stench fills the enclosed space and there's no where to run), it would cause you so much discomfort you would notice it immediately. If that dancing child at Sydney airport had been well behaved, I wouldn't have noticed her at all. It does go to show how I take for granted that I do expect children to behave in public. The fact that we do take it for granted most of the time means that at least in the majority of cases, most parents do a reasonably good job when it comes to parenting, hence that is why parents like the father at Sydney airport stand out because they become the exception rather than the norm. Oh believe you me, I've come across loads of shitty white parents over the years living the UK.

I was glad to have been able to catch up with an old friend of mine in Melbourne, my old colleague Clara is from Melbourne and she did spend some time working in London. I have not seen her in about ten years and she has since started a family. I did have lunch with her and of course, one of things we talked about was the issue of parenting. Clara is Australian-Chinese: her parents are from Shanghai but she's properly Aussie. Her partner is Australian too and not Chinese, so I did wonder if she would bring up her children in a more traditional Chinese way (would she turn into a Tiger Mom?) or if she would take an approach far more like that father at Sydney airport? It was an interesting conversation I had with her on the issue. She wants to be the best mother can be to her kids and she doesn't really mind which approach she takes as long as it delivers the best result for her kids. I think it is noteworthy that she places her children's welfare first before any grossly misguided notion to pass her Chinese heritage/culture onto her kids. But she's a highly educated, intelligent and rational woman, quite unlike my parents who cling onto their Chinese culture and heritage.
Clara is trying to figure out the best ways to bring up her children.

She has met my family as she had stayed with them en route to Australia when traveling from London and that led us talking about the role that grandparents play when it comes to childcare. There was one key difference in her attitude: her parents (and her parents in-laws) are old, they should not be expected to step in and handle the child care just so she can run back to work as soon as she has given birth. The grandparents are there more moral support but when it comes to the difficult tasks pertaining to childcare, it would be unfair to expect the elderly folks to undertake such a huge responsibility. I then told her about the way my parents insist on playing such a huge role in bringing up my nephew and she just shook her head. "I don't mean to judge but your parents are old - aren't you guys concerned about their health? Should your parents have been running around, chasing after their grandson to pick up after him at their age? Don't you guys have the money to hire people to help out with things like that? My mother broke her leg recently, okay it was a freak accident, she fell down - but imagine the guilt I would feel if she did that whilst taking care of my children. That would put an unnecessary strain on my relationship with her." I told her that trying to stop my parents from playing the role they have assigned themselves would lead to crazy accusations of trying to drive a wedge between them and their beloved grandson - so we have no choice but to stand back and let them do what they want or they would be upset.

Sure we have money to hire help: we have everything from sports instructors to maids to tuition teachers involved in my nephew's life now, but I think my parents have a deep distrust of anyone who isn't family. For example, I know that my nephew has an incredibly good tuition teacher called Mr Ang who doesn't take any crap from my nephew and enforces a sense of discipline that my nephew doesn't seem to get from anyone else - he is such a godsend. However, in spite of the fact that Mr Ang is doing such a good job, my mother still insists on meddling and trying to help with my nephew's homework, despite the fact that she is clearly out of her depth when it comes to my nephew's secondary school syllabus. I think my mother needs to feel like she is useful, like she is contributing somehow, hence these rather misguided efforts to help. Clara couldn't help but shake her head. She mentioned that her parents have their own active social lives and they have their own activities which enable them to find a sense of belong, fulfillment and purpose in their elderly years without having to default to childcare. What could I say? I only wished my parents were a little more like Clara's parents.
Finally, I told Clara about the story of my dad losing his temper over my nephew's composition and she laughed - typical Chinese parents, she commented. "Chinese parents don't like to have their authority challenged, even in fiction but it goes deeper than that. People who are insecure, who lack self-confidence will find it harder to apologize because they are scared that the very act of apologizing will make them look weak, they don't want to lose face." I then asked her if she would apologize to her child, if her child ran away from home and got kidnapped, like in my nephew's story. "I would be ridden with guilt of course - I think the buck does stop with the parents. If a child is naughty, then I blame the parents for not having brought the child up properly. And if my child does something like run away from home, then I have to bear part of the blame for having created that situation in the first place or at least for having failed to have prevented something like that from happening at all. If I had clearly done something wrong that resulted in the situation in the first place, then I'd own up and apologize. You can't expect a young child to take responsibility for such a grave mistake when the parents are meant to be in charge. So yes, I would certainly apologize if I had clearly done something wrong."

She elaborates. "It is a sliding scale, it depends on the child's age. When the child is just a baby, you cannot expect the baby to take any responsibility. Say the baby poops and soils the diaper, then you cannot blame the baby for having done that for the baby has no control yet over things like that. But if I catch my six year old son lying about something, then I have to question if he is old enough to understand what is means to lie about something to your parents. A teenager should definitely be held responsible for telling a lie because at that age, you definitely understand what you're doing. But a six year old? You then have to learn to exercise your judgement as a parent and try to ascertain just how much blame is appropriate and it may be the case that I realize, okay, it is my fault for not having taught him why lying is wrong - it is something I have to undertake, it is my responsibility to teach my child about things like that as I can't expect him to figure this out for himself. The focus for me then is what I need to do to rectify the situation, I would put my child's needs first. To worry about whether or not your child will still respect you if you apologize or whether or not you will lose face in front of your child - that's just wrong. If you choose to be a parent, you need to put your child's needs before your own. It frustrates me when Asian parents worry about things like losing face or status instead of the needs of their children. I'm not saying white Australian parents always get it right either and as a parent myself, I just hope I get the balance right."
Do I think it is right for parents to apologize to their children? I think that's the wrong question - after all, if parents already have a healthy relationship with their children, then apologizing over a genuine mistake isn't going to change anything. And if you think that somehow, the act of apologizing will totally undermine your credibility and authority - then guess what? You never had any credibility and authority in the first place - the apology is a moot point. By refusing to apologize when the parent is clearly in the wrong, the parent is not only exposing his/her insecurity to the child, but setting a rather bad example indeed. I'm afraid it is very hard for me to talk about this issue without actually taking it very personally as my parents would never ever apologize to me even when they have clearly done something very wrong. Being autistic of course, they lack the ability to figure out how complex social interactions work and give in to their more basic fears and insecurities - it does put quite a heavy strain on any kind of relationship because you're never going to get an apology. In my previous post, I had already talked about how my dad willfully, foolishly destroyed an old friendship of many years because he refused to offer a simple apology over a misunderstanding; if my father can't even bring himself to apologize to a peer, someone his own age, well how do you expect him to apologize to someone younger? I am at a loss with his irrational and stupid behaviour because my family do let him get away with that kind of crap all the time, but clearly the rest of the world isn't that forgiving. I can see that happening of course, but my parents are quite oblivious to it. 

Given the amount of angst I feel about Asian parenting, it is always very tempting to think that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence but of course, after having witnessed that stupid white Australian father at Sydney airport, it does remind me that the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. Being Asian doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to be a bad parent - I have to remind myself that my parents' appalling bad parenting skills are mostly due to their autism rather than their Chinese culture per se. I have met Chinese parents who are good parents and I've met white parents who are terrible parents - I do wonder if there are any autistic parents who are good parents though? Probably not, but feel free to tell me I am wrong. So that's it from me on this topic. Please let me know what you think, especially about Australian parents and Singaporean parents, kindly leave a comment below. Many thanks for reading.

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  1. Hi LIFT, Actually if your nephew wrote that story as an English composition, there would be no issue with the conclusion of the story. But I see where your father is coming from; writing that ending to a CHINESE composition, is rather inappropriate.

    The study of Chinese in Singapore is closely linked to the transmission of values, culture and history. A huge aspect of that includes how to treat people in their various capacities according to your social relationship with them.

    And among the latter, the parent-child relationship is of paramount importance. In short, the status of a parent is supposed to take TOP SPOT in the child's existence. NOT SAYING I AGREE. To be frank I think this is the most stupid idea among the entire host of stupid ideas in Chinese society.

    After reading your last few posts, I came to a conclusion that almost all Chinese people are autistic. Your description of your father's friendships sounds like every friendship among older Chinese people I know! They don't aim to form a genuine "connection" to the other party in a conversation. To them, communication is all about how you can prove yourself superior to someone else.

    Recently a question from the PSLE Chinese listening comprehension exam appeared on social media, nobody could tell which was the correct answer until I asked my friend who is a Chinese teacher. Here is the question, the correct answer as decided by my Chinese teacher friend will be revealed after that:

    "Two friends were talking. A asked B: Are you wearing a new dress? B replied: Yes, my mother made it. A commented: It's very pretty. Question: What is the next thing B will say?"
    Option 1: My mother makes dresses for me whenever she is free.
    Option 2: My mother doesn't like to spend money on clothing.
    Option 3: My mother has just started learning how to make dresses.

    To any sensible person, the correct answer should be "Thank you so much for the compliment!"
    But as for this question, the answer should be Option 1. The other 2 are out, because they are not socially acceptable in a Chinese conversation! I mean, CAN YOU BEAT THAT?

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    1. I can't even....! Like what? That just makes no sense whatsoever. As someone who is passionate about learning languages, I am just horrified that anyone can have the audacity to hijack a language exam to impose a certain kind of social norm/culture. It is hideous.

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    2. All three answers are part of small talk. This is why I detest Chinese culture.

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    3. You know what the irony is Di? After all that, Chinese people are still so rude. I'm talking about the "I want coffee, give me coffee" kind of way they talk. Like they don't know how to form a sentence like "could I have a cup of coffee please?" Same thing in Mandarin - I observed this in Singapore. Hawker says, "ni yao she me?" Customer reply, "Ji fan liang ge". (2 chicken rice.) or "wo yao liang ge ji fan." I would say something like, "ni hao, qing ni gei wo liang ge ji fan, xie xie." It is possible to be polite in Mandarin.

      I have studied loads of languages and in some languages like Vietnamese, Korean and Japanese, yeah they spend a lot of effort teaching you how to be polite in the language. The only difference is the Chinese people try to cram their culture down your throats when you learn Chinese - but just look at the results on the ground?!?!? Such rude, nasty, uncouth people.

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    4. After LIFT mentioned it, I sort of realised that indeed, conversational Chinese language lack polite terms or structure. In Japanese, we usually end requests with 〜ください or 〜お願いします, but in Mandarin, there is almost no equivalent. In English, we have the multi-purpose "please" that one can end the request with.

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    5. Hi Weiping, for those of us who don't speak Japanese, could you translate the terms you wrote in Japanese and explain their implications please?

      I think in English, putting in the "please" is insufficient: speaking to a waiter for example, you can say, "give me coffee please" and that's still abrupt compared to "could I have a coffee please?" I wouldn't fault people on getting the language wrong (sometimes I give them the benefit of the doubt that they speak it as a foreign language), but I would fault people for simply being rude.

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    6. ~ください and ~お願いします are similar to "please" but used in different contexts.

      ~ください is used when that particular action or item is requested and the requested is expected to comply. For example, asking a sales staff for help to get an item on display.
      ~お願いします is used when asking for an action or item that one understands that the request is beyond the expected responsibility of the person.

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    7. Hi LIFT, as mentioned by Wei Ping it does seem some Asian languages do lack that "completeness" or even a polite vs casual structure. Even in Japanese, "could I have some water, please?" is simply translated as "mizu o kudasai" (direct translate: give me water). Does it sound rude? Definitely. Is it rude? No, because the verb for "give" here is already enhanced to it's most polite/humble form. Does it sound incomplete? Probably. But is it really an incomplete sentence in Japanese? No, because it is habit in the Japanese language to shorten sentences (i.e. Cut out unnecessary words if they are already in context, such as the subject). So in this case, it would sound very long winded and off if you were to tell the waiter what you would say in English directly: "Could I have some water please?/Watashi wa mizu o anata ni itadakemasen ka?" since both you (anata) and i (watashi) are already assumed to be within context.

      I can't be sure if this can be applied to Chinese. Perhaps some Singaporeans may have the same mentality, because some people genuinely do say "give me ____" in a very polite tone. But no one in Japan adds a "hello/ni hao" equivalent (probably "konnichiwa/konbanwa") to a waiter right before requesting! Hope this helps you in understanding how some Asian languages may work. I believe this context applies to Korean and other hierachy-focused languages as well.

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    8. I have noticed that Middle Eastern people can also be quite abrupt! I remember when I was in Turkey, I was at a shop and the guy in front of me barked, "bir cay bir su" (one tea, one water) and the shop keeper didn't flinch and I thought, how rude! And I said, "merhaba, bir cay istiyorum lutfen." (Hello, I would like a tea please.) And both men laughed and said to me in English, "your Turkish is very good but only foreigners speak like that! Which textbook did you learn that from?" Yeah, so I totally accept that there is a cultural element to it.

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    9. Oh and I remember once someone in my French class said, "donne moi l'eau" (gimme water) in a role play in the class and the teacher said, "only say that if you want the water to throw a jar of water in your face for being that fucking rude". Not acceptable!

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  2. It doesn't matter what the culture is. Bad parents come from different cultures as do good parents. I would have had less patience with dancing girl. Does the world have to stop just because she wanted to twirl? What a self-absorbed princess!

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    1. I had far less problem with the girl (she's young - I can forgive her on that basis) than the father who decided to FILM her dancing. Like for crying out aloud. I know you're on holiday and excited etc - but think about the other passengers trying to get off the plane.

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  3. Hi Alex,
    Wanted to ask you, did you ever follow up on the robotics/micromouse club for your nephew? Also... does he read this blog? hehe

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    1. Hi there. Sigh, no I made the recommendation and left it at that - not sure if he managed to find a space in his school's robotics club but I backed off that idea because I was told by another reader here who codes for a living that I may be barking up the wrong tree. Just because he likes playing computer games doesn't mean he will be any good at coding or robotics - I hate to sell this idea to my family as the holy grail only for them to be disappointed.

      And to my surprise - YES my sister told me he has read my blog. I am not sure if he reads it all or understands it all; but somehow, somehow he found it and is reading it. He's 14 now, so yeah why not? I always thought I'm too verbose, it's all TL;DR for him given his short attention span. But he went to my sister and said, "so is grandma autistic too?" And my sister was like, "who told you that?" And turns out, he read my blog. Woah.

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    2. He doesn't have to be GOOD at it in order to enjoy it and enjoy making new friends in the club.

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    3. Hmmm. At the risk of sounding too negative, let me tell you what I see to be a problem. A potential problem at least. When we first introduced my nephew to ping pong, he was a very bad sport who threw tantrums when he didn't win the games - it was only when he improved after much perseverance on the part of my dad that he began to enjoy the game. Now with ping pong, we could do give him one-to-one lessons until he was able to play with other kids and enjoy the game. But to expect him to join a new environment, learn new stuff with his peers - sigh, perhaps I am just way too pessimistic, but there's just no way he's going to have the patience to learn. He's going to get frustrated, distracted, misbehave and beg us to leave the club.

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  4. Hi LIFT, About your point that autistic people can never be good parents, that's exactly the situation I'm facing now, unfortunately.
    As you know I'm autistic so I have A LOT of blind spots when it comes to parenting, especially w.r.t. socialising my child.
    You see, recently my son has been getting insulted and teased in school and the pejorative term they use on him is "autistic". I came to understand that this is common usage nowadays in cases of verbal bullying. But at the same time, I'm not sure whether they call him autistic because he really IS autistic, since autism is partially genetic.

    The thing is anyone who doesn't fit in, is "uncool" or even the slightest bit awkward or socially inept, is labelled "autistic" by the mean kids. It's like how during the 1980s, people used words like "retarded" or "spastic" when they wanted to make fun of their friends.
    So my question is: should I send my son to be diagnosed for autism? He is 18 this year but deferred NS because of his ITE studies, and so far, he has functioned ok in the Singapore system, that is, apart from not doing too well in school and being very introverted. I mean, up till now he has not exhibited any interest in girls, or even guys for that matter. So, what would be your guess/ diagnosis regarding his level of autism?
    Thanks for reading this! :)

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    1. Y'know, I had a long conversation with my sister over this when we went out for Nasi Lemak burgers (what a letdown, after all that hype about it). I did tell her all the ways I am clearly autistic and was a very, very awkward child with no friends, preferring my own company - being a gymnast meant training on my own in the gym for hours and hours whilst ignoring the world around me. Between that and studying, that was my childhood: pretty much on my own with little social interaction apart from my two amazing sisters who indulged and nurtured me. If not for their intervention to bring me out of my shell, good grief, I would have been ten times more socially awkward. I don't think we should be afraid of the label autism or being autistic - I think it is healthier to embrace it without being so paranoid about being associated with it. Yes I am autistic, but what does it mean?

      I hate the way some people go to the other extreme and treat it as if it is some kind of blessing or gift - they have probably watched some movie like Rain Man and imagine that oh you are autistic you must be a maths whizz or some kind of super talented computer guru. It doesn't work that way!!!

      What we need is a sensible conversation about autism which neither treats it like a blessing or an insult - but talking about it for what it is.

      As for your son, well, what is the point of such a diagnosis? He clearly isn't severely autistic and mild autism isn't going to get him out of NS? What are you hoping will happen, as a father?

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    2. Hm, that's a good question. Hadn't thought so far ahead, just angry he was being called names. What I'm hoping for is- whatever helps him find the most acceptance from himself & those around him.

      1.If he gets diagnosed as autistic, his classmates wouldn't be able to use it as an insult, just like how people with cerebral palsy can't be insulted by the term "spastic" since it's literally true.
      In fact it's now considered cruel to use "spastic" as an insult because it belittles the condition (as well as those who actually suffer from it).

      2.Conversely if he DOESN'T get diagnosed, I'm worried about future challenges he'll face without even understanding why.
      People would assume he's normal, but he won't be able to meet their expectations. There'll be mixed signals, they will walk away from him either puzzled or annoyed or disappointed.

      I'm trying to imagine if I had been diagnosed when I was 18: would I have been in denial, or felt relieved? The dominant reaction I think might have been self-pity. So for now, I'll simply help him cope with the bullying & watch for signs of his suspected autism getting worse.
      Thanks again for helping me figure this out.

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    3. Hi there. In response to your two points, if I may please:

      1. Of course you are angry as a father that your son is being called names - but believe you me, there are far worse things to call someone who is socially awkward. Trying to get an autistic diagnosis doesn't get your son off the hook with the people who are calling him names because they really don't give a shit if he gets a medical diagnosis - you're assuming it will make a difference, well I am telling you it wouldn't at all because these people are cruel to begin with. If you think that somehow they will turn compassionate or remorseful because your son has an 'MC' or note from a doctor, well, you're grossly overestimating the amount of goodwill you can expect from these people. No, I am telling you, they are going to go on taunting him even if he gets that diagnosis, it won't make the slightest bit of difference. Such is the uphill struggle for those of us with autism - you can't count on people to be 'nice' to us.

      2. As for interest in boys/girls/love etc, I'm afraid that's an indication of low self-esteem. You don't ask someone out if you know you're going to get rejected and if you have very low self-esteem, then you'll do yourself the favour of sparing yourself the humiliation and agony of rejection by simply not asking people out. Trust me, I am speaking from experience. I had very low self-esteem as a teenager, I was genuinely convinced I was very ugly so I kept to myself. It doesn't mean he doesn't have any interest in others from that dating/sex POV.

      3. I don't think people will be any more compassionate (say in the work place) if you do get an autistic diagnosis. The only thing that would help (and I've seen this in my nephew) is for him to get professional help to cope better when it comes to social skills. I figured a lot of this out on my own in my late teens and twenties but I was a total mess before the age of 17. I would like to think that there is an element of him figuring this out for himself - much the way I did when I was his age, but I can't speak for him of course. The ball is in your court to see if you wish to give him a hand in that aspect.

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    4. In all honesty, I'd say send him to get diagnosed.

      It's not going to help him get less bullied nor would it make his social interactions with others any easier BUT it would ease the burden on him knowing and that would give him more control over his life.

      If he is, he can find support on how to deal with it, there are therapists that would help. He will know that there's a reason why he's having issues and I'm sure he could find peers and support groups.

      If he isn't, well then he knows he's not damaged/handicapped(Not sure what the exact word would be here) then he's free from the suspicion and doubt. He will know there's nothing physically or mentally wrong with him then he can focus on how he could get along better with others because there's no difference between him and them.

      This is an online blog, and my real name is being used here so I'd rather not go into the details but I agree with LIFT here, the desire to want love has to be accompanied with the belief that one can be loved.

      I had very low self esteem as well and extremely awkward until I went into NS. It became better when I had to learn social interactions(Yes, it was that bad) to avoid being marginalized.

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    5. Guys thank you for your input! I made a list of the pros & cons. The pros essentially constitute everything Bay said he analysed it very well. But for the cons:
      1. It puts a label or stigma on the kid.
      2. But it won't lessen the name-calling etc. Crux of the matter is, he must learn to handle it himself as LIFT has said.
      3. In Singapore, there are no concessions or assistance schemes (such as exemption from NS) for people with this condition.
      So in short, I'm still in 2 minds about this. Decisiveness was never one of my strong traits & I would welcome any other suggestions. Be brutally honest I can take it.
      Also, this sentence "the desire to want love has to be accompanied with the belief that one can be loved". I actually read and re-read for a few minutes pondering the meaning of it, how could my son think he he doesnt deserve to be loved. Let me ruminate a but further, I will tell you my conclusion if I come up with anything..

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    6. Hi guys, allow me please to respond to the following points.

      1. I hate to give anyone false hope, but I was so totally autistic until about 17-18 years old when I slowly learnt how to interact with others. I remember a classmate called Tracy writing me a long letter to explain to me why some of my actions were irritating people, getting the wrong kind of response and yes she was being kind in explaining it to me in a non-confrontational way; and I learned. I knew people found me strange but I changed, I became a lot more sociable, I figured it out because I decided I no longer wanted to be the oddball with no friends - and guess what? It wasn't rocket science, the desire to have friends was enough motivation to make me change. I came from a very toxic environment in secondary school where my attitude was, "screw you guys, you hate me but I hate you too" to my JC where people were genuinely nice and were willing to be my friends if I was going to play my part and be a friend to them too. So here's the optimistic part: the environment, I believe, does play a part and if there had been destructive, toxic people in his school, perhaps a change of environment would do him good and you never know how much of this can resolve itself. I did learn and change at his age and I'm not saying hold your breath, it's about to happen - I'm saying that at his age, he would have achieved a level of maturity that enables him to figure this out. Support him, be there for him, he can do so much to help himself.

      2. You also have to prepare yourself for a professional to turn around and say, "no he is not autistic" or at least say to you that he is at best very mildly autistic and that he has to learn to cope like everyone else (like myself) - then what? Prepare yourself mentally for what you may need to say/do if that happens.

      3. As for what Bay said about love, oh gosh - imagine me: I am gay, I had low self-esteem, cos I was interested in guys but the fear of rejection made me keep my mouth shut and I always felt, what's the point of expressing any love if all it would lead to was rejection? Just keep my mouth shut and maintain some dignity. It however, didn't mean I had no desire to be loved - I simply looked to other avenues to find it, such as through sports where I trained crazy hard to gain the approval of my coach.

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  5. Ok I have had some time to think about it, I realised I went totally opposite from my parents who were very strict, I became like the Australian father who praised his daughter for twirling in the airplane tunnel & it is equally destructive to my child.
    When he did badly in his PSLE & got channeled to normal stream we thought maybe he had problems with time management, & got him a diagnosis of "exam anxiety" so that he could get extra time, eg if the paper was 1hr he got extra 15min, if 1.5hrs he got extra 25min.
    But he still did badly in sec sch & we found out he wasn't using the extra time, he simply finished the paper early & went to sleep for the rest of the duration! He said he asked the teacher if he could pass up his exam the same time as everyone else, but the teacher did not allow it.
    So we withdrew the diagnosis after Sec2, as we were told there would be an indication on his N-level certificate that he was given "special arrangements" which would stigmatise him.
    Point is, we should have left him to figure things out for himself, when we did everything for him, he ended up worse off.

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    1. Hmmmm. Allow me to add one point: I was lucky to have found friends and have two wonderful sisters who helped me out when it came to social skills but more to the point, they didn't teach me stuff, they more or less supported me whilst I figured it out for myself whilst I was your son's age.

      And if your son is just not academically inclined then there's no point in squeezing a square peg into a round hole (that's so Singaporean) - instead focus on finding something that he is passionate about like football and pursue that. Heck, I have a degree from a top university and I got that via 3 scholarships and am I using any of that in my 2 jobs today? None of it. I ignored everything I studied and pursued my passion instead - which tells me that I could have skipped university altogether and just followed my heart.

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    2. Hi CLT. May I share a little story with you? I have a friend, let's call him Mr C and he is a fun guy I have known for 3 years. I find him funny, friendly and would have just assumed that he was popular, like if you met Mr C, you'll just assume that he is the kind of guy who has loads of friends.

      Then last night, he told me about how he was constantly bullied throughout his teenage years in school. He had a tough time, he is autistic and didn't have the skills to get along with the people around him. Then at the age of 18, he went to university and two key things happened:

      1. He became older, more mature, more intelligent and became able to figure out this social game we play to make friends (and avoid toxic people).
      2. He was removed from that toxic environment at his school where people bullied him.

      It really struck a chord with me because I went through the same path - Mr C told me he is autistic too (just like me) and it took an awfully long time for him to figure out how to make friends, get along with people etc but that happened when he turned 18. My secondary school was a terribly toxic environment but the irony is that hindsight is 2020; I didn't realize just how toxic it was because if you didn't know otherwise, you'll just assume that the toxic-nature of the school was normal.

      Mr C is a lot happier today - just like me. That's why I want to say to you, that even for autistic guys like Mr C and I, we may be a bit slow in catching up to this whole social game, but we did both get there eventually. I'm now making a whole career in sales that is based on being good with people - irony eh? Talk about playing to your strengths, this was one area of my skillset that was the weakest when I was a teenager. But I figured it out.

      So I say, I can't speak about your son as I've never ever met him - but give him a chance and he may yet figure this out in due course. I can't say when, but give him plenty of time & chances - don't ever give up hope. There's so much you can do to help him, but even Mr C and I eventually, somehow made our way out of that tunnel on our own.

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    3. Hi LIFT, Thank you for that encouraging story! Yes I remember undergoing a similar process to you and Mr C. And the concept of the "toxic environment" is VERY familiar!
      There are several stages to the awakening which I find my son has not been through, at least not that I'm aware of:
      1. Seeing yourself as a separate distinct entity from the rest of your family and society, as an individual with independent preferences. That's around pre-teens when you start to be interested in fashion, pop culture etc (as a consumer).
      2. Realising the importance of becoming somebody who matters in the world, wanting to make something of yourself i.t.o. success & achievements, in order to create meaning in life. This should be around one's upper sec days, or mid-teens.
      3. Having a desire to find your constant companion, soul mate & life partner. I'm guessing this comes sometime around NS, but for me it was much later (the 30s).
      So as I said, my son has not demonstrated any of these. His thinking is so immature, eg he still likes to eat at MacDonalds (with us or by himself, not with his friends mind you!) which makes me think he has the mentality of a 6-yo child. Well, maybe it's a case of "arrested development" as he has always been slow, but I hope he gets there eventually.
      In the meantime, I'm taking your advice to be there for him, to just be supportive in whatever he decides for himself rather than telling him what to do.
      THANK YOU for giving me an objective viewpoint on this, LIFT!

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    4. Hello again my friend.

      I think we underestimate just how destructive and nasty being in a toxic environment can be. Young people need to grow from learning, those in a supportive, conducive environment will grow quickly, whilst those stuck in a toxic environment shut down and don't grow at all. I do blame the environment of my secondary school and was very lucky that my JC was a lot better in this aspect, that did prepare me for NS because it was so toxic there, but I learnt to swim rather than swim there. That's the scary thing - if I hadn't been through 2 years of JC surrounded by nice people - I probably would have sunk so deep into depression in NS I would not have emerged from the process. I would've killed myself or at least turned out so emotionally scarred that I won't be able to function normally after that.

      Perhaps I am pointing out the obvious here, but we are not capable of learning complex tasks as children and we challenges we take on become more and more difficult as we get older - that's reflected in the way the PSLE is easier than the O levels as you don't expect 12 year olds to be able to take on the O levels syllabus. This subject we call 'social skills' or 'making friends' - woah, that's a tough one that some people figure out early whilst others take much longer. Some subjects we can afford to neglect - if you turn out to be bad at maths or you're monolingual, heck, you work your way around it and as for social skills, can you work your way around it or do you try to rectify the situation? Tough one. Some people are quite content to be left on their own and don't need to win a popularity contest. That's very much me - I had been working in this company for a year now as a consultant who prefers to be left on his own, but just this week I've been made to work with my colleague on a new project and I actually really enjoy being a part of a team as well (even if it is just her and me) and I really want her to think of me as a good team player and nice person to work with. What she thinks of me matters a lot to me and I am not sure I would have been as receptive to the idea of working with someone this closely say when I was 18. It does help that she's incredibly nice as well, I'm just wondering if sometimes you need to put your son in a position where he's forced to work together with someone on a project, then you will see if he will rise to the occasion. I'm certainly doing great on the social front with my colleague - now we just need to deliver on the project (and that's a lot of hard work).

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