Here's the thing about these rather defensive SIM students who have come onto my blog with their 'success' stories. Their defence seems to be, "look I graduated from SIM and managed to get a job, so you see, it all worked out and it justifies my choice of degree." But these people seem to be very much focused on their individual circumstances rather than look at the wider picture and I'd like to talk about that today. When a young person first graduates and is looking for his/her first job, it is an extremely difficult challenge. Companies usually have gatekeepers whose job is to ensure that they select the best possible candidate for the job, so it is a complete fallacy to think that getting a degree is merely a box-ticking exercise. You're still up against all the other candidates who have applied for that position and that's when it gets interesting. So, please allow me to break it down for you.
When a good company advertises for a position, the quality of the applicants they receive depend on a number of factors: the starting pay, career prospects, the prestige of the company and other perks like the fun factor. So for example, a world famous investment bank running a graduate recruitment programme would typically tick all of those boxes, whilst a small local accounting firm in a small town would offer a far less attractive proposition. Naturally, the investment bank would receive a much higher quality of candidates applying for the jobs, whilst the local accounting firm will struggle to attract good quality candidates. So those with good degrees will have a much better chance in getting that first job with the prestigious companies (such as that famous investment bank), but if you are not successful with them, well it isn't the end of the world. You'll probably just end up working or a company like that small local accounting firm. It won't be as well paid but hey, it's a job right? As long as you're working and not unemployed, that's good enough right? Who needs to be happy? Who needs job satisfaction? Oh, you do? Then please read on.
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So let's imagine there are two candidates: Olivia and Simei. Olivia went to Oxford whilst Simei went to SIM. Olivia got her first job with an investment bank's accounting division, traveling the world whilst Simei ended up working for a small accounting firm with a offices in a grim looking, windowless small office in Hougang industrial estate. Both ladies remain 'gainfully employed' at their respective companies. So, let's fast forward five years, a famous American management consultancy sets up its first branch in Singapore and are recruiting for new talent locally, rather than bring in staff from abroad. Both Olivia and Simei apply for the job and let's say they both have the same kind of experience with accounting - the HR manager at the American company looks at both their CV. Given that they both have five years' working experience, their degrees have become almost irrelevant at this stage. So are both Olivia and Simei competing on equal footing? Not at all - quite the opposite in fact!
You see, firstly, the HR manager will recognize Olivia's current employer, whilst the name of Simei's employer will only draw a blank stare - after all, few people outside Hougang would have heard of that company. Secondly, Olivia would have had the opportunity to travel the world, dealing with international clients, working on projects in different countries whilst Simei would have mostly dealt with clients in Hougang, with a handful in Ang Mo Kio, Bishan and Serangoon. But it doesn't stop there, Olivia's employer would have had the resources to invest in her training and CPD (Continual Professional Development), whilst Simei's employers are barely able to pay her CPF. Olivia's peers in her company would be ambitious, hungry former scholars who are keen to climb the corporate ladder, whilst Simei's peers are the type who want to leave work on time to get home to spend time with their kids and make dinner for their family. Even though they both have had 5 years worth of work experience, Olivia's CV would shine far brighter than Simei's - so if they both went for the same job, then Olivia would get it and not Simei as her work experience trumps Simei's.
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So by that token, Simei will probably have a decent life - that means she will be gainfully employed, she will be able to put food on the table, pay her bills, support her family but she will never taste the kind of success that Olivia will. Simei will always be several steps behind Olivia when climbing the same career ladder and it is quite plausible that if this gap gets big enough, then eventually Olivia may end up being Simei's boss when they are both in their 40s or 50s. Such is the kind of advantage that having a degree from a prestigious university like Oxford can give you but if you are happy to take Simei's path, then fine: this is when we turn to the settler vs maximizer theory. Are you the kind of person who is completely content to get by with a simpler life: look at Simei, she isn't career driven, she leaves the office at 5:30 pm on the dot so she can get home and enjoy quality time with her family. Sure she isn't earning as much as Olivia, but she also has a more carefree lifestyle with a lot less stress. Whilst Olivia worked crazy hard at university, Simei's more relaxed schedule meant she had an active social life and plenty of time for her friends. If you are happy to take Simei's path, then you're a settler - you would settle for less given that you're not willing to pay the price for more. But some people are the opposite, if you know you have the potential to achieve a lot, then you would be like Olivia: you would work hard enough to get into the best university in the world and then push yourself to compete with the best in the top companies in the world, just to maximize your potential and see just how far you can go - if you identify with that ethos, then you are a maximizer. Pause for a moment and think which label applies to you.
But the problem with this theory is that it conveniently slots people into two categories without recognizing the shades of grey in between! I find it hard to say whether I am a settler or a maximizer - it all depends on whom you compare me with. If you look at the way I had been extremely driven in my studies and competitive gymnastics career, then of course that makes me a maximizer. But then again, I look at the people in my industry whom I deal with on a regular basis and I see many of them working far harder than me, achieving far more. I know I could work as hard as them to try to earn more but I also value the luxury of having enough free time on my hands to do the things I enjoy such as sports, travel, writing and just spending time relaxing in my garden. What is the point of having a nice house with a beautiful roof garden if I am working so hard I have no time to appreciate it? What is the point of earning so much money then? I suppose I am indeed somewhere in the middle, but probably towards the maximizer end as I feel that I have already paid by dues by working extremely hard when I was younger and now that I am in my 40s, I can afford to take it a bit easier and enjoy the fruits of my labour. A maximizer would have the luxury to do that - a settler would probably not, given you reap what you sow and settlers would have sown a lot less in their most productive years.
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Ultimately, where you wish to settle in that scale between total maximizer and relaxed settler is a personal choice - no one should judge you for what you choose. Simei may not want Olivia's kind of life and the same can be true vice versa. However, you can't run away from the basic principle of 'you reap what you sow'. You can't expect to reap as much as a maximizer like Olivia if you have only worked as hard as Simei - it isn't reasonable for someone like Simei to expect to have the same level of success as Olivia. Someone like Olivia will always do better than Simei because of the head start her degree will give her - but what if you find yourself in Simei's shoes and want to improve your odds? What if Simei is not content to work under Olivia and wants to be as successful - is there anything Simei can do to fix the situation despite having a poor start in her career? Well, there are a few possibilities that I can suggest for her.
Firstly, the problem with many students is that they lack imagination when it comes to their career options - that is mostly down to their parents pushing their kids down some well-trodden career path (doctor, lawyer, engineer, banker etc) but they never consider anything more esoteric, something quite niche which could be just as rewarding and potentially a lot more interesting. Taking these alternative routes mean facing far less competition and thus lower entry requirements - let me give you an example. Ellie left school at the age of 18 with poor results, unable to get into any decent university, she didn't quite know what to do. Being half Korean, her Korean mother had a family friend (distantly related, Ellie refers to her as her auntie) in London who had a small business in New Malden - the Korean community often spends a lot of money visiting specialist shops which import a lot of Korean foodstuffs from Korea and whilst you can get anything you want, it is often quite expensive. Likewise, you can order items from various retailers online, but having the items flown or shipped over from Korea isn't cheap. Her Korean auntie came upon the idea of producing some of the more popular Korean foodstuffs in London, so they would be a lot cheaper than the imports from Korea. She mainly focused on kimchi (Korean pickled vegetables)- which is one of the most popular dishes consumed amongst the Koreans, but it is heavy and bulky, high volume and low value. In Korea, kimchi is relatively inexpensive but in London, a small packet of Korean kimchi shipped in from Korea or China is not cheap, given that the general British public tend not to go for such exotic foreign foods and so it is for a very esoteric, limited market. The shops tend to profit from the situation as well - they know they are going to get a Korean student who is desperate for a taste of home and will pay any price for that packet of kimchi especially if it is from a brand they are already familiar with.
The second route that one could consider is to be your own boss - Ellie's auntie started her own business because English was her second language and she felt handicapped by her inability to communicate efficiently in English. She had originally trained as an accountant back in South Korea but decided to start her own business because she wanted to take charge of her own career. By being her own boss and choosing to work within the Korean community, she had put herself in a position whereby she is no longer held back by her poor English and felt far more in control of her business relationships as she no longer had to worry about what her boss or manager thought about her. Of course, in return for this 'freedom from judgement', she had to take on a lot more responsibility when she ran her own business, but that was a price she was willing to pay and thankfully, things worked out very well for her. Running your own business or at least choosing to become self-employed is a big step for many people, but if you are sick and tired of being constantly harshly judged by others for having had a poor CV, then it is definitely a good option to consider.
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Veering off the well-beaten path may lead to dead ends, but you are never ever going to discover anything brand new if you are working for someone who is providing a product or service that isn't pushing the boundaries. Someone like Ellie and her auntie may have been forced off the well-beaten path by their circumstances, but they have discovered a lucrative niche in the market. There's obviously stopping me from veering off the well-beaten path too and taking a risk to start my own business (which I have actually tried to do before), but it is so much easier working for someone else and letting them take the risks whilst I just get paid for the work I do for the company. I have the luxury of sticking to the well-beaten path and doing quite well on it, whilst Ellie and her auntie don't have that luxury - either way, things have all worked out okay for us. Maybe one day I will try to start my own business again, but that will depend on me having the right opportunity and until that comes along, I am quite happy doing what I am doing for now.
I hope I have shown you some of the shades of grey in the job market. Simei may be perfectly happy with her life, but let's not pretend that she's even half as successful as someone like Olivia or earning as much as Olivia. Nonetheless, people like Ellie and her auntie have bravely stepped off the well-beaten path and have found their own routes to success. The key thing is to have a game plan and know what your options are - make the most of the opportunities presented to you and don't be afraid to ask for help. Let me know what you think please, many thanks for reading.
What, in your opinion, are jobs that don't need a degree but one can really successful in (excluding businessmen of course)?
ReplyDeleteSales. You can't teach a person how to sell IMHO, a good salesman needs to be good with people and that's the kind of thing you learn from a very young age. The kid who has many friends, who was poplar in primary school probably has the right kind of skills to be successful in sales - I've seen extremely technical people suck at sales because they just bore the heck out of the client.
DeleteThe fact is sales is all about convincing someone to sell and you don't do that by memorizing all the product features or lecturing them about the product - it is a mix of seduction, flirtation, flattery, connecting with the client, understanding the client, convincing them, winning their trust. No university in the world teaches you that - how about that for a gap in the market? Maybe I can set up a school for sales, but then again, can I teach a person with no charm how to be charming?
Alex, i think u could proabably make someone with rudimentary skills at selling much better. But
Deletegetting a deadbeat to sell? Hmm.. that would be miracle, super miracle!
I think a degree should be seen as a stepping stone, not a brick wall. Seems some of these SIM chaps have decided to wall themselves in
ReplyDeleteTrue contentment comes not from having more, but being satisfied with what you have. It is great to have ambitions and strive for more achievements if it is truly what you want to do and what will make you happy. However making money and success your yardstick to measure your worth will most likely make you unhappy as there will always be someone richer, more successful, better looking, etc. If you have your health, food, shelter, family, friends, you have more than enough to have a happy life.
ReplyDeleteHmmm. I think there more to it than that - I spoke to an old friend Karen over the weekend and she asked if I was doing acting any more and I said no, only did one little project this year and I'm working 99.99% of the time in banking now. And she said, oh that's a shame, I thought you were very passionate about acting and I said I was, well I am, but I would rather be successful as a fixed income specialist broker than a failed actor. I felt like I had been there, done there, tried my best and knew how far I could go - I think the only thing I wanted to know was if I could get work as an actor, if I could be successful and now I know my answer, I am content. I have done major projects in various countries, became a minor celeb in Germany for a short while after my stint in Cobra 11, I've worked with plenty of celebs and I been on TV loads over the years. I'm content at having given it my best shot - let's put it this way, if I had simply worked full time in banking and never gave showbiz a shot, then I think would would grow old with regret, even if I became super rich and successful in banking, because I never pursued acting. Now it is not so much the success that gives me the contentment, but the knowledge that I gave it my best shot and I know how far I could go.
DeleteSo you see, it can be quite a complex equation ... this contentment thing.
You are absolutely correct about that. Living a meaningful life also contributes greatly to contentment, and if you've always wanted to do a certain thing, you wouldn't be content until after you've tried it.
DeleteExactly. I see young people who have this "I wanna become famous or die trying" attitude in showbiz and I'm like, good luck trying cos you're going to die. The chances of anyone making it big in showbiz is so low and a lot of it does boil down to not so much luck, but being in the right place at the right time. I never said, "oh I must get famous or die trying" - instead I said, "if I moved to a city like London and never even gave it a shot, I'd die with a heart of regrets. I did give myself just 1.5 years between Nov 2004 to April 2006 to see if I could get some decent results, otherwise I would pull the plug on it. It has been a good run, I did have a lot of fun doing what I did when I was younger - but now I look older, there are less parts I suppose. I'm cool with that reality, I'm just focused on my job in finance now and am working hard to be successful there.
DeleteThis is not related with the main post but more on your acting experience.
DeleteWhat is your opinion on the recent Singaporean Indian who rant against Jack Neo's team for being racist during the audition where he is forced to perform in the India accent? Do you think what the production’s team did us wrong in the multi racial country?
You're not the first one to have asked me to comment on this. I have two quick points to make:
Delete1. As a Chinese person who speaks like an Angmoh (ie. without a Chinese accent), I realize I am a minority. The vast majority of Chinese people in China will have a Chinese accent. I am from Singapore and have spent half my life in the West, my experiences have determined my accent - but if I want to be an actor, then chances are I will have to portray Chinese characters from China who can't bloody speak English rather than be myself. I accept that, I've been to China, I've met Chinese people, I know they have an accent. If I was not prepared to do that, then I'll do something else such as banking, where I can be as white as I want (pass the kentangs please). Likewise for that Indian actor - a well educated Singaporean Indian wouldn't have a thick Indian accent when speaking English, but if you encounter people from India, then yeah the accent is super strong. Again, the MAJORITY of Indians from India have that accent, but not the majority of Singaporean-Indians who are born and bred in Singapore; now they would have a Singaporean accent, not an Indian accent. I remember how my Indian friends would speak their brand of Singlish, it was still Singlish but with fewer Chinese loanwords, but perhaps with a few Tamil loanwords thrown in.
There are however, immigrants from India whose sons now have to serve NS if they have taken PR/Citizenship - so an 18 year old with a strong accent is not so implausible after all.
HOWEVER.
I understand that the production team is mostly Chinese - now if a woman makes a joke about her period, she is allowed to. If a man makes a joke about women's periods, he is sexist. If a gay makes a joke about gay dating apps, etc etc you get the idea. Each community gets to make fun of itself. I get to make fun of Chinese people because I am Chinese, but if a white person does so, then he's probably going to be seen as racist. So if it is a bunch of Chinese people telling an Indian person to speak with a strong accent for comedic purposes, then of course that will come across as racist and offensive. It is also the kind of humour that appeals to a far more low brow audience.
I have observed this as I watched a few Thai movies this year - I went on a Thai movie binge, I notice that they use quite a lot of low brow slapstick humour and I thought, okay, if you want this to be a huge box office hit, you have to appeal to the masses, including the less-educated farmers in the countryside, rather than the middle-class in Bangkok. But for Jack Neo to go down the same route... well, I just think it is a shame, really. I don't think he has to in Singapore.
I find the Jian Yang character in Silicon Valley to be hilarious, although he does play into the stereotypical Chinese accent. Then again, Asian Americans and Asians are divided in opinion on William Hung, too.
DeleteSURE Lift, SAY WHATEVER YOU NEED TO SAY TO BE HAPPY..CLEARLY, SOMEONE FAIL AT ACTING...
DeleteI don't normally respond to trolls and haters but Mark, if you feel that you needed to type in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS to make a point, then good grief, you need to think long and hard about your choice of words before just unleashing something like that on the internet, otherwise people are going to think that you're an uneducated fool who can't come up with anything more witty or original to make your point and you have to resort to shouting with CAPS in order to express yourself. I have had a brilliant time doing the acting work I've been fortunate enough to have done in the past and I've currently got a successful career in banking earning in excess of £200,000 a year working about 30 hours a week. Boo-hoo-hoo, let me cry in my huge house which is part of my multi-million pound property portfolio about my failure about not having made it as a superstar actor in Hollywood.
DeleteSpeaking of which, I bet you're some Singaporean 40 year old virgin loser who is still living with your parents in your squalid little HDB flat in somewhere like Toa Payoh or Tampines.
Hi Limpeh I have read your post on how a highly ranked university will be beneficial to your job prospects. I have mixed feelings about that. I graduated from NUS in 2009 with a chemical engineering pass degree, no honours. Ya I did badly. Actually my experience tells me that the ranking of the university you graduated from does not matter much to companies that do not want the best talents but people who can do the jobs. Especially SMEs who go for the cheapest. Probably for big MNCs and forward looking ones would want the right people, but I am quite cynical after bad experience in the last company...Family run business roping in the owners son as management executive while other people are just mere cheap tools, pardon my language for a lack of better words..In your opinion, do you think employers value smart talents and would pay them high or smart and cheap foreign talents.
ReplyDeleteGosh, your last question is wrong on so many levels I am going to have to write a whole post just to tell you how wrong you are. How the fuck can you treat 'employers' as if they are a cohesive entity? There are good bosses and fucking awful ones out there. There are good companies to work for, then there are shitty ones. There are employers who know what they are doing, then there are those who are totally clueless. So how can you talk about 'employers' as if they are all the same? For crying out aloud - this is the problem with you Singaporeans. That's the problem with your culture and don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming you or angry with you - just frustrated are how your culture is so fucked up.
DeleteSingaporeans are so fucking obedient that they have this blind trust when it comes to people in authority - take teachers for example, Singaporean students are told to obey their teachers and not question their authority, when we can all name some teachers we have encountered who are fucking awful. My parents were teachers and I can tell you they made so many awful mistakes over the years and I'm even surprised at how much they got away with. Why did they get away with so much? It was because Singaporean students (and their parents) simply do not question any kind of authority, even if it comes in the form of a bad primary school teacher.
By the same token, yeah you came across a bad boss - they exist. Anyone can be a boss - there's no exam to pass in HR or management skills before you can become a boss, as long as you are willing to pay someone a salary, you can become a boss.
Instead of putting the blame on 'employers' and the way they value talent - how about accepting part of the responsibility for your situation? So you worked for a shitty family business - why the fuck did you stay there like an idiot when you realized that it was a terrible company? The onus is on you to jump ship when you realized how bad the situation is.
If a company makes an irrational decision and hires someone who accepts a lower salary rather than someone who is more capable or talented - then you know what? I don't wanna work for a shitty company like that. I would find a better company to work for. I think you should accept a lot of blame and responsibility for being pretty useless and foolish in your job hunting process - you have blindly put faith in the management of these company when your experience should have already warned you to stay the FUCK away from bad companies with bad bosses.
In short, I don't blame the system - I blame you. Yes it is all your fault.
Take it from me. I did not realize that I was working for a family business that the management level was so screwed up when I got employed. The reason that I took at least a year to jump to another company was 1) at least I had a stable income at that point in time and 2) at least I could still use the company's resources to enrich myself with other skillsets until I find a better employer. Once I saw a better opportunity, it was goodbye to the headaches dealing with the mess left behind by idiots.
Delete@Struggle.. just to add on to LIFTs brutally honest advice.. i will offer u some questions to ask yourself...
DeleteWhy do u think its unfair for an employer to groom his own soon? Wouldn't u do the same? If no, why not?
How can YOU go about finding SMEs who have the luxury of paying you as well as a big MNC?
If u cant find any, then why not just work for a big MNC?
and lastly...
What makes you think you are the right person?
How have gone about proving/selling yourself to your employers?
And @struggle
DeleteBosses have bills to pay too. Sometimes they struggle. Plus bosses have personalities like anyone else. Some are just cheap charlies -
after all we all like to have more money right?
As for the smart talent part.. i'm gonna quote Jack Ma "Don't put a jet engine in a tractor"
Maybe u are just tractor driver doing some essentiAl but otherwise dumb parts.
So one more question, have u positioned and niched yourself? Or are u just a other engineer doing the dumb parts?
I still can't get over how he talks about 'employers' as if they are all the same. FFS! I work for a relatively small company with 3 departments (sales/distribution, product development, accounting/back office) and there are 3 directors heading up the different departments, each with very different management styles. I spend 80% of my time in the sales dept but sometimes get roped into the product development department and once in a while, I help the accounting department track down a payment that has gone awry. Each director is a different character and runs his department very different.
DeleteSo even within the SAME company, you get a different kind of boss, a different kind of experience of being managed, depending on which department you work in.
Every boss is unique and different - you just have to find a good one to work for.
Aye, Alex, too much obedience training has produced a population of which at least a third are deadbeats who can't analyse and make decisions. People who can't think even though they may have graduated from say NUS.
DeleteThankfully not working with such chaps anymore
(working mostly with clinicians and businessmen - neither doctors or businessmen are likely to be too stupid) and as for my deadbeat blood relations i have put enough distance!
Not all MNC are necessarily good or bad too. I once worked at a now defunct GLC, horrible management so i left after 1 year which is just as well since they didn't want to offer me a contract extension. NCS came calling for me but i said no thanks and asked them to fuck off in a polite way.
ReplyDeleteThe other MNCs i worked for were much better but like LIFT had mentioned it really depends on the style of the boss you are working under.
At Limpeh and Lchen, well before I have some kind of mental illness that is holding me back...Not going to elaborate...I din do well in my degree so as much as I like to work for MNCs they did not give a heck about me...A dysfunctional family I come from also does not help...Well if you want to say what is my niche...Is having programming and IT skills one
ReplyDeleteHey you wanna go down this route - I have severely autistic parents with Asperger's syndrome and I am autistic too, you wanna compare who has a more fucked up family and health problems, I guarantee you I will beat you hands down in that competition for my family is definitely a LOT more fucked up than yours, not the kinda competition I am proud to win but hey, just saying.
DeleteI'm not interested in feeling sorry for myself, nor should you. You can cry all night and feel sorry for yourself but what is that gonna do? What are you gonna do with those tears - water the plants ? Duh.
@Lchen, there is nothing wrong for an employer to groom his son but I can say this is a shitty company bros besides family run they try to portray an image of a model employer with their office interior design and his son does not listen and just throws his weight around because of his status..
ReplyDeleteThen what the fuck are you still doing there? Resign already. Duh. You're the fool if you choose to continue working there.
Delete@Lchen and Limpeh of course there are good bosses and bad ones, but how do one identify...And calling people deadbeat just becos of their limited experience with good bosses and hence questioning that employers go for cheap foreign talents, does not make a good argument that someone is deadbeat...I am just asking how many employers are enlightened and can see values of a talent versus wanting to save on labour cost...
ReplyDeleteLook, you agree there are bad bosses who make poor decisions. I will write a post about how to identify a good boss. I can't justify or defend bad bosses who make stupid decisions because I would never ever want to work for a bad boss. I'm lucky to work for an excellent company today but that was no coincidence or luck, I worked bloody hard to prove my worth to my employers. I don't come cheap but they are happy to pay me what I ask for.
DeleteAnd I repeat, you're a bloody idiot by choosing to work for a bad boss. Quit already. Go find a better company to work for .
@Struggle
Delete1.Are u actually asking who can provide u salvation? No one can. An enlightened boss, aka someone who is happy to nurture people for the sake of it still has to hire according to the demands of the market
2.And yes u have mental impairments? Or at the very least been severely troubled? i respect u for making a living while managing your 'issues.' Just remember though, if u find urself too troubled to think straight and make good career decisions, no amount of compassion from bystanders will make u paid any better or feel more satisfied with your crappy job.
3.Seems to me you are really asking for some emotional support rather than actual solutions. A blog probably isn't the best platform. Why not
join a Depression Annoymous or similar group? There are many.
4.I define deadbeats as people who refuse to improve their own situation, preferring to blindly obey others and then excuses themselves and blame the world for any negative consequences.
Didn't say you were one. Don't know you.
@LChen
Delete1. I admire your kindness. Guess that makes me a bastard. I have no patience for people like that. I realized very soon that business and friendship do not mix at all - your boss will only like you if you bring value to the company, it is that straight forward. Why is this guy expecting some kind, benevolent, enlightened boss to give him a chance, nurture him and somehow fix the problems in his life? Don't get me wrong, I have had great bosses in the past who have given me incredible opportunities not just to earn a lot of money but they gave me the tools to earn a lot of money - but was that a gesture of kindness or pity, or simply reward, because I was a very hard worker who contributed so much to the company? You don't get something for nothing.
2. I'm way harsher than you - I don't believe in throwing this guy a pity parade. My family and childhood is waaaay more fucked up than his, do I win a prize as a result? Hooray, I earn the right to feel sorry for myself! Fuck that shit. What's the point. I hate people who feel sorry for themselves.
3. I offer practical solutions, I don't throw pity parties.
4. I think you know exactly what you're describing LChen and this guy is indeed a deadbeat, by your definition. He's in a shitty situation, yet he blames everyone but himself? Go figure. What a fucking idiot - he blames everyone but himself? Yeah right, like he's so not at fault?
1. Nah, we need more bastards in this world. Bastards make u angry enough to do something.
DeleteKindness can kill. It makes people feel rewarded for malingering. So... @Struggle, do u want pity or do u want to be successful? Red pill or blue pill?
4. hahahahaha! u r the top salesman, so yes u read me right. I do strongly suspect that our friend here is indeed a deadbeat as per my criteria.
@Struggle, i had a smart engineer friend with a serious mental impairment. No fault of his. Something he was born with i think. But!
It was his fault not conscientiously seeking expert treatment. He complacently let his impairment disrupt his professional and especially social life.
How many therapists have u researched and inquired about?
@Struggle
Deletei take your words at face value and say yes, u have valid problems. But u dun have valid excuses. The fact that u can read this page and hold a shitty job, means u have the capability to help urself, crappy employers or not. u are not disabled. For Gods sake u have an engineering degree. i quit engineering because i judged i didn't have the requisite quality.
And Plz don't go online and fish for people to validate your excuses. If u want to build any career, be prepared to take criticism fair or unfair.
im gonna say one last thing to you..
Can you, on your own initiative, try to get a better job, bad bosses or not?
If yes, get started.
If no? Well, fuck off, i have grown to absolutely detest parasites.
@LChen, you've hit the nail on te head - he is coming here to look for people to validate his excuses but have found none. Why is he still persisting then? There are plenty of forums with loser Singaporeans to throw him a pity party and blame everyone from foreign talents to the PAP for their failures in life. Duh.
DeleteJust out of curiosity - Do you coworkers read your blog?
ReplyDeleteCurrent co-workers? No.
DeleteBut OMFG, my ex boss found my blog and I told a story (no names of people or company but if you can find me on Linkedin you could probably figure out whom/where etc) and I told a story on my blog about something that happened in our old office, I didn't portray him in a positive light in that story. Quite the opposite, but I felt it was an honest portrayal of the story - I suppose he felt that one shouldn't wash dirty linen in public or slag of a former employer like that. Anyway, he knew I am good friends with his IT guy, so I heard via our IT guy that he was furious with me and I was like, well - too late. It is what it is and if he's not happy, then that's too bad.
Where do you draw the line for burning bridges with another person?
DeleteI'm contemplating writing a long and nasty complaint letter to MOH against the course manager of my current school. Still not sure if I should go ahead with it.
You know the saying 好马不吃回头草? We have to move on my friend. There's no looking back. Go ahead and complain if you want because you're not going to be a student forever.
DeleteLIFT, I often see you touting starting your own business as a path to success for people who don't have good paper qualifications. But doesn't success as a small business owner also require many personal qualities such as intelligence, hard work, tolerance for risk, that not everyone possesses? Furthermore people who have failed in the traditional sense may be even less likely to have the chops to succeed as a small business owner. For some that might be their calling and plays right into their strengths, but I would think that for many who failed at traditional pathways to success, they wouldn't be likely to succeed at business either, and instead land themselves in debt.
ReplyDeleteDon't mean to be too negative or discouraging if anyone is considering this route, just trying to be realistic about the life of a small business owner.
I think it depends what you want to do when you start your own business. Are you trying to be the next Steve Jobs and build a company like Apple? Or are you doing something a lot more straightforward and simple? My friend has a small business she runs - v simply service and concept. Say I have a flat and I wanna do the AirBNB thing but I don't have the time to be an AirBNB host as I am so busy - she steps in and for a small fee, is the host. Welcomes the guests, does the laundry, cleaning etc, checks them out etc. Not rocket science, but it is simple, low-tech and she is providing a vital service.
DeleteWhat you're describing is probably for people who are trying to bring a brand new product to market with a lot of investment required, that's something very complex - but starting a small business can be something as straight forward and simple as what my friend is doing (ie. the Airbnb host thing). Not every small business has to turn into the next Apple you know. Some can stay small & simple - as long as they remain profitable, that's fine.
OMG can't believe it is already June!! half the year is almost over!! OMG!!!!
ReplyDeleteI am acutely aware of the new month, every new month, cos of payday!
DeleteWell Limpeh, you dun know my family background, so please come to any hasty conclusion...Well you want to know how bad this company is, they made you sign a contract which penalised you from leaving?Guess what I have left becos the boss wanted to outsource my work to some cheaper labour in China.
ReplyDeleteA few points for you:
Delete1. What's the point in having this comparison, this competition about whose family is more fucked up? My family is extremely fucked up - if you wanna claim that your family is more fucked up then mine, then go ahead. It is not a competition that I care to win because there is no prize for the person who has the most fucked up family - like what, you want the right to feel sorry for yourself? What are you going to do then, throw a pity party and then cry me a bucket of tears? What do you want me to do with those tears then, water the plants in my garden?
All I am saying is that you're not the only one with a fucked up family, fucked up parents and a fucked up childhood. The earlier part of my childhood was fucked up and extremely tough, yet I didn't waste time feeling sorry for myself because that was never going to solve anything. I got on with life.
2. If your company made you sign a contract which penalized you for leaving, then why the fuck did you sign it in the first place? If someone presented me with such a contract, I would tell them to go fuck themselves and head for the nearest exit. The fact that you were dumb enough to sign it tells me that you're a fucking idiot and now you're trying to blame them for making you sign it? I blame you. You're the idiot.
3. Well I hope you left. What's the point of working for a company like that?
And I do not blame them for making me sign it, I signed it and I prepared to contribute and do my best, and that is where you were wrong, I have mentioned I need to pay my study loans
DeleteI also dun presume what kind of childhood you had, and you are the one who kept bringing up it, just because I have mentioned my family in my reply the first time...And you tried to say ya I have autistic parents and I am autistic in respond, and you turned around and said I want to compare family
DeleteWell, you should have studied harder and gotten yourself a scholarship or at least a bursary if your parents were in no position to pay for your studies. You think my parents were able to pay for my studies? I had to get a scholarship. DUh.
DeleteAnd my point is that you're not the only one with mental health issues - my family has been seriously wrecked by mental health issues. That's why I had to get away from my parents because of the serious problems caused by their mental health issues - stop talking as if you're the only one with mental health problems. It's more common than you think.
DeleteHi Limpeh, you assumed I din work.hard which is wrong, you were lucky to meet bosses that recognised you, not everyone is...Just a word of advice, do not assume you know better just becos you are successful
ReplyDeleteI'm not assuming that you didn't work hard - but what's the point of working hard if you don't succeed? It's like saying, "hey I failed the exam, but I worked really hard, I revised for weeks". Life is tough, life is a struggle as you say and there's really no point at all in working hard if your hard work doesn't pay off in the end with some kind of tangible results that you can celebrate. No one is going to reward you for working hard - that's not the way life works. You need RESULTS.
DeleteI don't think my success is due to hard work or luck - but I work smart. Ever heard of the difference between working hard and working smart? I stick to what I am good at, I am a specialist who delivers with great efficiency and the irony is, I don't actually work as hard as a lot of people I know.
And as for meeting the bosses that value and recognized my worth - it's not luck, I found them. I held on to them. I cultivated those relationships and nurtured them. If I leave my company today, there are at least ten people who will give me a job - that's no coincidence. I am good at identifying potential bosses who will treat me well - whereas you seem to be utterly dumb and clueless about telling the difference between a good and a bad boss. And you come here and spout this bullshit about working hard? Oh come on. I don't doubt that you work hard, but I think you are extremely naive and stupid when it comes to dealing with people. You're painfully naive and you refuse to even acknowledge where you are going wrong. How can anyone help you if you're so bloody defensive about your mistakes and shortcomings? You're a deeply flawed, deeply fucked up person and the least you can do is take a look in the mirror and try to identify where you can help yourself improve, instead of blaming everyone else.
How did I blame anyone, you were the one who said you worked hard, so I implied you were saying hard work will get rewards, I am dumb to sign the contract, it is easy for you to say but I had two loans to pay, sorry not lucky to have parents that paid for my education...Well let me say this you are one unsympathetic person and never thinks why would anyone sign this contract if they have a choice and also in your opinion where did I go wrong, you said you were autistic, when I replied that my issues holding me back, you are lucky that you are a high functioning autistic, and you know nuts about mental health struggles, you think I am trying to seek pity here, sorry you are wrong, I came across this blog and thought to myself that I could get some advice, instead bashing for having issues and presumption from people lik you who likes to assume
ReplyDeleteYou came to this blog, blaming the system, blaming the "employers", blaming everyone but yourself. Yes I worked hard but I also worked very smart as well but I NEVER said that working hard will get you any kind of rewards. Please lah, if you fail an exam and you go plead with the teacher, "but teacher, I worked very hard, can you change my F to an A because I worked hard?" Do you think the teacher is going to reward you for your hard work? The teacher might be sympathetic that you did try your best, but no, you are still stuck with your F. Life is unforgiving like that and no amount of kindness or sympathy is going to help you.
DeleteAs for my parents - you think they paid for my education? Please lah - again you assumed. Look, my parents are low-functioning autistic adults totally off the scale when it comes to Asperger's syndrome. I studied hard and got myself three scholarships because I was an outstanding straight-A student who was determined to get away from home and I knew that getting scholarships were the only way I could get what I want - so once again, you were wrong to assume that my parents paid for my education (I didn't have that luxury). I did tell you my parents have serious mental health issues being v low functioning autistic adults.
I still have no sympathy for you - why? Because what the fuck am I going to do with that sympathy - cry you a bucket of tears, then what? Water the plants in my garden with those tears? Gee. No thanks. What the fuck are you gonna do with that sympathy. As for mental health struggles - my parents are v low functioning autistic adults, you have no idea what it is like having parents like that, so yes actually I do know plenty more about mental health issues than you. I am lucky and extremely fortunate to be not as autistic as my parents, but good grief, that was the reason why I wanted to get away from my family because their mental health issues made my childhood a living hell. Once again, if you think your childhood or family are fucked up - mine is probably a lot worse, are your parents mentally disabled too?
And if you're looking for sympathy, you're barking up the wrong tree. Go fuck yourself. I never said I was a nice person. I'm fucking evil.
@Lchen, you called me parasites, when I work and support my own treatment and took loans for my education, well you dun know the meaning of parasites...This blog is full of presumptuous people...Whether you like it or not @ Limpeh the pap policy has caused increased competition for jobs, you are lucky that you are born earlier in an era where the floodgates were not opened so wide...Please lah dun tell me how I should think, and to think that yourself have all the wisdoms of life
ReplyDeleteI left Singapore in 1997 because I needed to get the hell away from my autistic parents who made my childhood a living hell. So whatever the PAP does doesn't affect me, since I've not lived in Singapore since 1997 and have long given up my Singaporean passport. Hello from the other side. I'm in London in case you didn't realize.
Delete@life, you aren't the only one is working or worked hard. Actually i don't sympathise with you at all. I had crappy parents like LIFT and moved out of home after NS. I paid for my own tertiary education too, am current on my 2nd qualification also all 100% self-funded. Boohoo, cry me a river, we all have our problems.
DeletePlease come up with a solution that doesn't:
a) Blame your crappy company
b) Blame the government
c) Blame your parents
There are Syrian refugees and Africans who have faced greater odd and triumphed by graduating from Harvard, please learn from them.
Indeed, I totally agree with Choaniki - cry me a river, cry us a river, what good would pity do?
DeleteLimpeh you are very insulting, calling people idiots just because they dun live up to your so called high and mighty standards, and Lchen, you assumed that I din try to help myself, and I am deadbeat, well I can tell you that in my every job I put in my best effort, trying to do things better and more efficient, yes I may not be good socially , dun know how to sweet talk, and make bosses happy, and that makes me a deadbeat? I signed up for courses trying to improve my employability for your info, well you two can judge for all you want
ReplyDeleteWell tough shit. Life is tough, I'm glad you've woken up and realized that. Duh.
DeleteBro, then if u r doing things as right as u say u are,then keep going. U have highlighted some weakness in soft skills, perhaps related to your mental issues. Try to fix that and things will get better. u are assuming that soft skills can't be improved, & feeling sorry for yourself. I don't think sweet talking is always necessary, its more about connecting authentically. Yes other people are gifted with good people skills. And u are competing with those people. So find a way to compete.
DeleteAs for foreigners.. fucking hell man, they have brought fantastic opportunity as well. i make money from foreigners. In fact i really love the influx of foreigners - i appreciate cultures in which the older folks don't talk down to me just because im young or so called junior.
Good luck mr Struggle. Happy Struggling!
@LChen - you're a lot kinder and more patient than I ever will be.
DeleteIt helps that this is social media. If its in person,
Deletei definitely would lose my temper at Struggle.
Hes failed to contemplate what everyone else here is really saying. And doesn't realize that at all. A stereotypical hard working rote learner. Read words and memorizes but dunno what they mean. Such a person might have been brilliant back in medieval China, just memorize some totally useless tang poetry and land a plump civil service position. Just another backward person who refuses to keep up with a meritocratic globalized world.
Well, think about the work I do - I'm a sales & distribution guy. My boss doesn't care how hard I work, he only cares what my sales figures are. If I can deliver great results whilst barely working, he is happy. If I work 14 hours a day but fail to sell a thing, he would still sack me. Working hard doesn't mean shit in the business world, it's all about what you can deliver at the end of the day. It's like in school where it really doesn't matter how hard you've worked, it's what you scored at the exam at the end of the day.
DeleteThere isn't a kind uncle out there handing out medals for effort.
If I can attach a screenshot of what you wrote, then you know why did I say you assume I din work hard, because you mentioned...I am a hard worker...
ReplyDeleteYes... so? You think I make this much money without working hard? But the fact is, I do a lot more than working hard. The lady behind the counter at McDonald's is working hard all day serving customers but she gets paid a year what I make in a month - I wonder why? Isn't she working very hard? Oh you're like the dumb kid in school who works incredibly hard and still fails all the exams. So you're a hard worker, so what? That's even more tragic. You'll rather be the naughty kid who failed his exams because he was too busy playing - at least there is the possibility that he may be a bright but lazy kid. You're the hardworking kid who failed despite trying so hard - that only confirms that you're bloody stupid. How tragic.
Delete@Struggle What exactly are you looking for in posting on this blog? Sympathy for your situation? Career advice on how to improve your employment situation?
ReplyDeleteIf it is sympathy, as you probably have realized by now, you've come to the wrong place unfortunately. You need only to read back over previous posts and comments to learn that LIFT and his friends are not in the business of offering sympathy. They are in fact very harsh when someone comes in having screwed up their studies/career and find themselves in an unfortunate situation.
Perhaps you are looking for career advice - you asked the question of whether there are employers who are willing to pay more money for someone like yourself vs hiring foreign talents. That question is very general as not all employers are the same. Furthermore Limpeh himself has stated that he hasn't lived or worked in Singapore for many years therefore isn't really in the position to answer whether or not there are employers who are willing to pay you a higher salary or how to find said employers.
Perhaps you could regroup and consider if you have a question for Limpeh that he is prepared and qualified to answer - again, fishing for sympathy wouldn't work with him as he just doesn't do that.
More to the point stargazr, this guy is assuming that somehow he is a better worker, somehow more worthy than the foreign workers he is up against. I fail to see why or how he is any better than say someone from India or China - his attitude stinks, he feels sorry for himself, he never takes any responsibility for his shortcomings and failures and blames everyone else. I would not want to hire someone like that - regardless of his nationality, he sounds like he has a terrible sense of entitlement and I have no idea where he got that from.
DeleteAnd in any case, my advice is simple: if you are so pissed off with the way things are in Singapore, go spread your wings and get a job elsewhere. Singapore fucking sucks.
And Limpeh, you assumed a lot too, dun you, my attitude stinks, well you have a hell lot of attitude too lah, yes you left for Singapore, I know, so what makes you qualified to bash people living in the Singapore system and under Singapore policy...You assumed I blamed and please read up lah I have always wanted to improve myself...Ya you studied hard and got scholarships, hooray, so what are you trying to prove, as an autistic person, you probably lack the ability to connect right, I was asking some advice and you kept on bashing...Autistic is only one type of mental issues, there are more serious ones that affect functioning, well I will not want to talk more, or you say oh this fucked up and screwed up guy is trying to fish for sympathy...Hell no of course I know results and hard work counts lol, presumptuous again. I worked hard and delivered too lah...I dun want to flaunt myself, you think you are the only one who got excellent results lol..
ReplyDeleteOf course my attitude is brash, unsympathetic, rude, in-your-face, I don't pretend to be nice, I call you names and put you down, hell I'm fucking evil if I may say so myself. But guess what? I never said I was a nice person, did I? What did you think I was, a fucking saint? A kind uncle? Duh, salah, wrong number.
DeleteAnd my student days are long over - I am 41 today and by the time you have been in the working world a number of years, your qualifications no longer matter (as discussed in this original article). It is what you make of yourself out there in the working world - nobody is going to pay me to pass exams as a working adult. I'm happy, content, successful and rich - you're the loser here who's blaming everyone but yourself.
Oh and in case you still want sympathy, please let me remind you that I am fucking evil and have no capacity for sympathy for people like you.
Sorry I dun have a sense of entitlement, but maybe you think foreign talents here are all angels, good ability, delivers, what do you know when you are based in London
ReplyDeleteAnd what the fuck do you know - you're a loser who is in debt, no money, no career prospect and you're still living at home with your parents because you can't afford to buy your own home. I'm the multi-millionaire with a string of properties and I earn more in a month than you probably do in a year. So yes, I don't know what it feels like to be a totally washed out, pathetic loser in Singapore because I am nothing like you and thank goodness for that cos you're utterly pathetic.
DeleteHey, I'm from Ang Mo Kio for crying out aloud, I came to London as a foreign talent - you think the English people are happy that I am here working a super well-paid job in banking that didn't go to a local person? Any big international city in the world today: London, New York, Hong Kong, Paris, Sydney, Berlin, Tokyo and Singapore are full of people from all over the world. Such is the reality of 2017 - there are foreign talents in every big city in the world because of the nature of the business world today. If you don't like that, then you could go work in some tiny kampong in Malaysia or Indonesia where everyone living and working there is a local and there are no outsiders. Singapore just so happens to be a big, international city today, you can't turn back the clock. You have to embrace modernity and the world today, you're completely insane and delusional, trying to turn back the clock.
Lchen, you are saying to find ways and improve and dun blame the system, yes I understand but let face it, this country has changed...There are more competition, of course if you do not have issues (family or mental) then it is easier in a tougher situation.
ReplyDelete@Chaoniki, if you can call talking about facts, blaming, so be it...Read my first post I did not come here to fish for sympathy, I reacted become this Limpeh was so condescending
Boo fucking hoo - you want LChen you cry you a bucket of tears. What the fuck is he gonna do with those tears then? Water the plants in the garden? Flush the toilet? This is 2017 - go find a time machine and go back to 1987 when life was simpler. Yeah fucking right, you fucking loser.
Delete@life your first post might not be fishing for sympathy but your constant barrage of defensive posts are definitely fishing for something. Pity maybe, who knows. You are certainly not winning many allies on LIFT's blog.
DeleteA better strategy would be to come here with humility and an open mind, admit you fucked up. Whether by having lousy grades or joining a shitty company. At least have the backbone to accept responsibility. What would blaming foreigners get you? If you were in their position do you even think you could go to their home country and attempt to steal their job? I highly doubt it.
Emulate or attempt to emulate people like Di who obtained the skills to escape the rat race of SG. Learn their strategies, I'm sure they would be willing to share them with you. Not everyone can follow LIFT's path since not only is he a scholar, but the path he took to get to UK has been closed since rules tightened in 2007 and 2012.
More to the point Choaniki - what good can sympathy or pity do for him? Nothing, nothing at all. Can we change the PAP's policy on foreigners working in Singapore? No, we don't have that power. Do we have a time machine to transport him to 1985 before the mass arrival of foreign workers in Singapore? No we don't have that either. And so what else can we do for him?
DeleteCry him a bucket of tears? And even if we did that, what good would that do?
PS. Choaniki - I am a member of a Singaporeans in the UK FB group and there are A LOT of Singaporeans living/working here, not just students. The route I took may no longer be available, but as long as you're highly skilled - the door is always open.
DeleteI know LIFT, i could go to the UK to work as a radiographer after graduation but with the Tories raiding the NHS i doubt i want to do so now. In fact I have seen a British radiographer working in SGH and more recently an Irish in NTF hospital. When even the Ang Mos are coming to Singapore to work you know something is wrong back in their home country.
DeleteLet me explain to you the situation with the NHS. The problem is that local nurses, doctors etc are not well treated: long hours, low pay for a simple reason, there is a long history of a reliance on foreign nurses/doctors/other professionals from places like India and the Philippines. The Filipino nurses are qualified, experienced, super hard working and will do the same job for less money than the British nurses. So British nurses/doctors often want to work in places like Dubai or even Australia because they have much better pay and working conditions there.
DeleteThe root of the problem is that the government and the NHS really don't care whom they employ as long as the hospitals are staffed and if Indian/Filipino staff are cheaper than screw the locals, let's get even more Pinoys in. Such is the situation - the NHS is under a lot of pressure (austerity measures) to slash their budgets and one way to do so is to use Filipinos.
Is this a problem? Yes it is. Is it ideal? Of course not. Is this a situation that needs to be fixed? Yes it does. But it's not like there's something so desperately wrong in their home country that these radiographers are fleeing the UK - no rather, the problem is a political one. Those of us working in banking are doing quite well, we don't face the same problems.
So yes, there are problems with the NHS at the moment, but those are structural, political problems. Let's be specific what the problems are.
A further point Choaniki: this is 2017, people (Filipinos and Brits alike) are far more open to the idea of working abroad. When the UK had a recession in the late 1970s those working in the NHS faced pay cuts and harsher working conditions and back then, people just kept quiet and suffered in silence because they couldn't contemplate say working in Dubai (which wasn't a booming city in those days). But nowadays, our tolerance for mistreatment is a lot lower, the threshold whereby one says, "fuck it, I'm quitting this job and going to work in Dubai if they want me to work 2 hours overtime every week" ... well, it has been lowered. And to deal with this problem, the NHS has a steady stream of foreign medical staff from Philippines and Indian desperate to work in the UK.
DeleteTimes have changed as have attitudes. There have always been good times and bad times in the UK, recessions come and go - the only difference is that in the past, people just shut up and put up with the hardship they have to endure. Now they pack up and leave for greener pastures. The only difference is that they probably can't go home now because the NHS will say, "we have these super hardworking Pinoy staff in our hospitals now, they are more efficient and do the same work twice as fast for less money - fuck off, we don't need you anymore".
It is hardly a perfect situation. But it is not so much a sign of a recession... rather a mismanagement of the situation by the NHS bosses.
I watched the Channle 4 documentary, Confessions of a Junior Doctor, and it shows Junior Drs are quitting in droves because they are so underfunded and understaffed that so many hospitals have to go on black alert due to being unable to meet demand. And this is even with the foreign doctors and healthcare staff.
DeleteHowever since news and media companies might have a political slant i do not know how many of the stuff i'm reading or watching are actually true. You being in the UK would know better the current state of the NHS.
Well, let me respond: I do have quite a few friends who are junior doctors and doctors and this is the reality here. The pay for junior doctors are decent but not great: it starts off at £22k rising to £28k by year 2. This is comparable to say a fully trained teacher and more than what a blue collar worker would be earning. What is true however, is that they have to work long hours and hence are overworked and tired a lot of the time. Their pay is low but it rises very quickly - such is the nature of the pay scale. Entry level is modest but it rises quickly; compare that to other jobs where you get the same entry level pay but it doesn't rise as fast. Doctors are actually in a much better position than many others out there.
DeleteChannel 4 have quite an anti-government stance and would go out of their way to paint a nasty picture of the current situation when really, it isn't half as bad as they make it out to be. My junior doctor friends do work hard but they have a social life, they see me at gymnastics and they go on holidays, spend time with their families etc. The fact of the matter is that no one survives the ordeal of medical school only to quit at the Junior Doctor level because holy shit it is hard work. Many doctors are prepared for the hard work they have to face when in a hospital - if they are not prepared to pay their dues as a junior doctor, then perhaps they can settle for some research role but they have to give up their dreams of being a doctor. So for example, I have a friend who did that - completed the medical degree and is now the person in the lab analyzing samples to detect diseases, it is not a front line patient facing job, but it is still something that is highly skilled and well paid.
So they are not 'quitting in droves' - some have quit when they realize the reality of how hard working in a hospital is. The fact is many of these straight A students who go to the top medical schools probably have little or no work experience and being thrown in the deep end of working in a hospital is quite a shock to the system and if they are not tough enough to take it mentally, then they will quit and say, "give me a regular 9 to 5 office job" instead.
I can promise you that if you get admitted to an NHS hospital today, you'll be fine. I don't really trust C4 as a reliable source of information or news, it is guilty of sensationalized news stories.
Lchen, I dun know what work you are doing that makes money out of foreigners, your experience makes you think otherwise, maybe angmoh that dun talk down...Again there are many different types of people foreigners or locals...Not all foreigners are the same
ReplyDeleteIf Singapore is so fucking miserable, then get the fuck out of Singapore - go get a job elsewhere and seek greener pastures. What's stopping you? Oh wait, nobody will wanna hire a loser like you, ah so that's what's stopping you.
DeleteYa you are a successful person, earning millionaires so what...Please be humble...Being insulting does not get your point across, so this is trying provoke and I am not going to mince my words against you too but because of human decency I will not use vulgarity...Ya you are successful, millionaire, own a house so what, you are an ingrate who called your parents idiots and stupid in your earlier posts, so what if you are successful..Ya loser like me cannot buy a house, you are an asshole even if you have tonnes of money, what is your purpose of writing a blog on Singapore when you have migrated...Oh I know to show off...I am successful, free time to write things and blogged about Singapore where you have left...Look you autistic crap,people like you dun deserve respect, become you have no sense of empathy even towards your parents, you are a scumbag
DeleteHello, I don't just own my own house, I have several properties in central London worth millions. I did tell you I am a multi-millionaire.
DeleteI'd like to think that if an autistic person like me can overcome my disability and become this successful in a job that requires so much soft skills, heck, that's reason to give people hope. I never ever said I was nice though. Let me make this clear to you: I have told you many, many times that I am FUCKING EVIL.
FUCKING EVIL.
Got it? Thank you.
Stargaze, sometimes when you screwed up your studies not because you are not good, anyway not going to say more, else some people say this guy is blaming others
ReplyDeleteHiss, boo. So what? Nobody is going to care what happened, they only care about your results at the end of the day. Say your mother died on the day of your exam, your friends are probably going to be very sympathetic of course, but an employer isn't going to accept that as a valid excuse - such is the unforgiving harsh nature of the world.
Delete@ struggle: you sound depressed. I suggest you focus on getting better.
ReplyDeleteAs for career issues, we all have had to work hard and smart. You learn from your mistakes and blame no one. Strive on lifelong improvement and learning. Your NUS education does not entitle you to a life of comfort and complacency. Those foreign talents are there whether you like it or not. Stop whining and get your game plan in place. Take it from someone who has reinvented her life overseas without family support. I've paid my dues. You have to pay yours too. Regroup.
Your kindness is wasted Di - I know you're a wonderful person, but this guy seems to only want unconditional sympathy rather than help per se. You see his latest slew of "but you don't understand what it is like blah blah blah" - like, what can we do? Cry him a bucket of tears? (Then what do we do with those tears - flush the toilet? Water the plants?)
DeleteSingaporeans in particular think linearity. The Singaporean dream is to get a degree, get a cushy job, buy a car, get married, buy a condo, have an Ah Boy / Girl, travel to ang moh land to post on fb...
DeleteProblem is life is not linear at all. We have to take detours, back track, go off the beaten path, and some may never reach their destination, but the idea is to enjoy the journey along the way. At the very least, use the lessons each path takes you.
Linearly not linearity. I hate auto correct.
Delete#doublefacepalm
ReplyDelete@Struggle
So, what's your next move?
@life your first post might not be fishing for sympathy but your constant barrage of defensive posts are definitely fishing for something. Pity maybe, who knows. You are certainly not winning many allies on LIFT's blog.
ReplyDeleteA better strategy would be to come here with humility and an open mind, admit you fucked up. Whether by having lousy grades or joining a shitty company. At least have the backbone to accept responsibility. What would blaming foreigners get you? If you were in their position do you even think you could go to their home country and attempt to steal their job? I highly doubt it.
Emulate or attempt to emulate people like Di who obtained the skills to escape the rat race of SG. Learn their strategies, I'm sure they would be willing to share them with you. Not everyone can follow LIFT's path since not only is he a scholar, but the path he took to get to UK has been closed since rules tightened in 2007 and 2012.
Most people would be defensive, this foreign autistic scumbag who has no shred of humility, people ask nicely, he tried to act like he is someone with a lot of experience...Lol...Yes I repeat again you are a scumbag
You don't even know what you're cutting and pasting.
DeleteAnd hey, did I ever say I was nice? No, I recall quite specifically telling you that I am not just evil, I'm FUCKING evil.
So you can call me whatever you want, I already told you quite specifically that I am:
- not nice
- and more importantly, fucking evil
I'm also rich and successful of course. That doesn't mean I'm obliged to be nice to you.
I will apologise for my name calling...Anyway I came to wrong place to seek advice. I will not post again though I will still visit the blog occasionally, some info are still useful
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ReplyDeleteTrying to save face eh? Its not a good look on you.
It was fhe wrong question not the wrong place. You need to start asking where YOU can do better regardless of how wrong anyone anything is.
I think he is hilarious if he thinks he can hurt me by calling names - the fact is I never ever claimed to be Saint Alex, the patron saint of all losers. In fact, I made it very clear that not only was I evil, I was in fact FUCKING EVIL. And he still thinks I have the capacity to be nice to him? Bloody hell. How stupid is this guy? I already told him I'm fucking evil - what further clarification does he need?
DeleteMate, this guy is desperate. "Patron Saint of all Losers" Bloody hell, that's a good one. Alex if we ever meet remind me to keep you on my side, not at my back!
DeleteHow on earth did this guy get into NUS in the first place?! I didn't qualify because I failed my second language, and this guy got into NUS?
DeleteDi - they removed that rule a long time ago because too many people left because of it.
DeleteGood. What a stupid policy!
DeleteOld article is old, but wanted to share an Australian perspective if you even see this. I like your perspective on the harsh truths in life.
ReplyDeleteIf you study in Australia, do not go back to Singapore. Australian degrees are no better than SIM degrees in the eyes of the gatekeepers in Singapore. Without revealing too much, I am from a top ranked university there (Better than NTU), but my schoolmates are treated like SIM grads back in Singapore. In my entire batch, I was the only one who stayed behind, married someone, and started a family in Australia.
Many people study in the better universities of Australia, as they couldn't get into the local courses they want, and FASS is a dead-end. In fact, most of my friends who did FASS regrets it. Many too, study in the lousier universities here because their grades didn't make the cut back in Singapore.
My mom was a recruiter, and told me that if I studied there, I must not return. Most companies (She did the engineering sector) specifically requested that Australian graduates be excluded, and her colleagues recruiting from different sectors had the same requirement too.
Either way, it worked out well, found my wife here, bought a 10k sqft property, 3 cars, 9-5, etc. etc. I am definitely not a maximiser, and want a relaxed life. I am having a good life here, working far less, and earning more (I think living standard are pretty much the same, probably higher in sg, IMHO) than many of my local-grad maximiser friends in Singapore, purely from the fact that median wages here are higher. The best are still earning much more than I will ever dream of earning, but there comes the conundrum of being a maximiser - You might never make it to the top.
Save face for what, I am anonymous anyway...And this is my last post...Not going to reply anymore, you can try to provoke again Limpeh, it only reflects on you not me
ReplyDeleteFYI LChen and I have a very friendly, mutually respectful relationship and he has been posting on my blog for a long time already.
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ReplyDeleteLet me try and put it more elegantly.
IT? I am in the field too, as a software engineer.
Working hard is not enough. Working hard just makes you more susceptible to exploitation. Being able to code for long, odd hours just does not equate much actual value, in this field. The ability to spot potential problems and prepare for them is what that is really of much value.
What is the point of coding for 20 hours a day and producing shit full of bugs, that you need to spend the next day debugging them? I only code for an average of 2 hours a day, the rest of the day is spent thinking and preparing what to actually code. But because of this, the work I do produces less bugs is capable of extending to fit more needs. Working hard? You need to work smart to actually produce value. Oh, and on top of doing all these, get a side hobby project to make yourself more employable. It always helps whenever I get an offer from another company due to my random side projects, and I show it to my employers to negotiate for better pay.
Oh and stop blaming your employers/environment or whatever for your pathetic situation. I suppose that you are an engineer. Then just like a true engineer, engineer yourself out of your pathetic situation. Identify your problems and resolve them.
Great piece on 'working hard' mate, well written!!
Delete@struggle: you have more important issues to deal with than to post on this blog and get insulted. Why do you come back for more? Do get your game place in place and improve your life. Use your NUS degree wisely. Not every company cares about your poor grades. You have a degree from NUS, right? There has to be some value to that. Think out of the box. Stop playing the victim of circumstance card. There are people out there who have less credentials than you but have accomplished much more.
ReplyDeleteDi, this guy has serious issues. Hes basically telling us that "hey im basically an unproductive failure, with non-existent soft skills. But, i want people to admire me for trying so hard and making so much great (inflated) sacrifices. I refuse to assess my own mistakes & weaknesses (because making mistakes & admitting weakness is a loss of face) and rather blame colleagues for sweet talking bosses, & bossess for being unappreciative. I'm a loser but hey i'm heroic! I soldier on even though the world is harsh and cruel!"
DeleteWhat bullshit. Is he acting entitled to cover up his depression or is he depressed because no one panders to his sense of entitlement?
Is that why he comes here, not to learn and share but to seek validation?
I have spent the last year dealing with parasites. This guy smells just like one. Not a dangerous one on its own, but in numbers, these folks can poison the atmosphere and bring down morale. Its funny, how assholes often think THEY are the VICTIMS.
He sounds depressed and suffers from self-pity. Perhaps he isn't taking his pills.
DeleteLocals blame foreign talents because they feel threatened. They want what the Angmohs have. Higher pay and the perceived glamorous life. SPGs falling over them.
What they ought to do is look inward and work on themselves.