Thursday, 22 December 2016

What if the best case scenario just isn't good enough?

Hello again everyone. Tonight, I met up with an old friend Richard tonight and we talked about a lot of things - we got talking about my parents' recent visit and I ended up telling him about just how obnoxious, difficult and grumpy they were. I told Richard that I've ran through so many theories in my head - from a probable autism diagnosis for both my parents (I swear they must both be severely autistic to behave the way they do), to the integrity versus despair theory which I blogged about in detail to just plain blaming Chinese culture for the way they are. It is much easier to hate Chinese culture than to hate one's parents. In short, I'm trying so very hard to find a scapegoat to blame for the way they behave. Without a convenient scapegoat to blame, well, the only conclusion is that they plain hate me because:

a) They're horrible people.
b) I'm an even more horrible person.
c) Both of the above.
Who do we blame for this situation?

Sometimes I lean towards option c) - you know how I talked about fat parents having fat children? By the same token, that makes option c) totally plausible. I'm just horrible in a different way. Well I told Richard all this and he's English, he's white so I thought I could tell him how much I hated Chinese culture and having Chinese parents without him defending Chinese culture. Instead he said this to me, "what is the point of your anger then Alex? Your parents won't live forever, your father will probably die in a few years' time. You know what they are like, wouldn't you rather try to make peace with them rather than having this anger in your heart? How would you feel if you got a phone call one day from your sister that your father had passed away and you never got the chance to work things out with him? Would you feel some nagging regret if you refused to make peace with him now, whilst he's still alive?"

I dodged the question. I didn't want to answer Richard's question immediately as I needed to think of a good answer. I changed the subject and we ended up talking about something else instead. I think we ended up talking about me losing my hair (Richard knew me when I had a full head of hair). But afterwards, I thought long and hard about what Richard said and I thought, I've hardly spoken to my parents in the last few years. They make zero effort to try to speak to me or find out what I am up to these days and it is only my sister who is holding this family together. And when they come to London, they didn't once ask me simple questions like, "so, how's your new job going? Are you getting along with your new colleagues?" They are incapable of asking simple questions to demonstrate any kind of interest in my life. I went out of my way to be hospitable and kind to them but got so little attention from them in return.
So, how's your new job going Alex?

Don't get me wrong - they brought me foodstuffs from Singapore that I liked, we spent some time doing touristy stuff and I cooked a lot for them. We did spend time together but I didn't get the one thing I wanted: any kind of meaningful conversation. I don't want their money or gifts, I just want them to show some interest in me. I served them fruit one evening and my father started telling me the price of fruits in Singapore, like how much a mango or a melon would cost at the local NTUC supermarket. I sighed and pointed out that this information was totally useless to me as I don't live in Singapore and thus do not buy my groceries at the NTUC supermarket he was talking about - so what was the point of telling me all this information about the prices? How is that relevant to me? He then said that oh my sister was at the table and maybe she wanted to know where to buy fruits cheaper. I then told him that my sister is so highly educated and works hard to command an impressive salary of several thousand dollars a month - her time is precious and she is rich enough not to care whether she saves a few cents per item of fruit when she happens to feel like having a mango or melon - try seeing the issue from my sister's point of view for crying out aloud.

I suppose when you are a retiree in Singapore, without the stress of having to work, you can spend hours going from shop to shop in Ang Mo Kio just to find out where you can buy the cheapest chicken wings, washing detergent or soy milk and as I have understood from my readers, that has become a bit of an obsession for some older folks in Singapore. They would punch the air in triumph if they manage to find a certain brand of toothpaste 20 cents cheaper in Watson's rather than NTUC. Don't get me wrong, I love a bargain and of course I enjoy shopping too - but I also recognize that time is money. All that time going from shop to shop in search of the very lowest prices could be spent doing something else more productive (such as talking to your children, spending quality time with your family). But who's going to tell my father not to go from shop to shop in Ang Mo Kio, just to save a few cents here and there?
My father has an uncanny obsession with the price of groceries.

I'm sorry, but trying to talk to my parents sometimes feels like I am talking to very young children - make that very young children who have yet to develop any semblance of social skills. They have zero conversational skills - their idea of having a conversation means blurting out the first piece of information that comes to mind whilst taking zero interest in the other party. I swear I had far more meaningful conversations with my 13 year old nephew on this trip than I did with my parents - it feels incredibly frustrating because the older they get, the more and more like infants they become. I don't recall their social skills being so bad in the 1990s, but perhaps that was because they were working then and still had to practice speaking to many people on a regular basis at work. Now that they have retired, they no longer need to use their social skills, so they can become as grumpy, obnoxious and unsociable as they like. This degradation of their social skills is pretty shocking because I do not use my paper qualifications to make a living. I'm a people-person: I rely on my wit, charm and personality to make a living and it is shocking to see my parents totally devoid of any of the above as they turn into grumpy old folks. What have my parents become?!

I accept that I'm never going to get that one thing I want from my parents: I want them to take interest in my life. It's not rocket science really. It's just the way I sat down with my old friend Richard today and he told me what he had been busy with this year, then I did the same. He expressed great interest in what I did for my current job not so much because he is that fascinated by the world of corporate finance, but he simply wanted to know what I was good at (and if I am using my many talents, like my languages). Likewise, I found out that he visited Syria when it was a peaceful country, years before this awful war broke out and he told me about his experiences in Syria then with his ex-wife. We're just two friends expressing interest in each other's lives and well-being - that's all there is to it and I would like that to be the basis for any kind of relationship with my parents. I have stopped trying to get that kind of attention from my parents so many years ago because I knew they were never ever going to give a shit about me and what I did with my life. Instead, I focused my energy on building great friendships with people like Richard who will care about me and I'm indeed very lucky to have quite a lot of good friends who do take an interest in me the way my parents never will.
I have a lot of friends who take interest in my life.

But I can see Richard's point of view, of course I can. Richard is older than me and has lost his father many years ago - there were unresolved issues between Richard and his late father and of course, Richard would very much have liked to had the opportunity to have press the reset button and try to resolve those issues before the day he lost his father. I can see why he told me to swallow my pride and try to patch things up with my parents. But then again, it takes two hands to clap - they came to London, I tried my best to be as hospitable as possible yet somehow, they refused to show any interest in me. Did this surprise me? No it didn't of course, I would have expected nothing less - this was pretty much how things were back when I was a teenager and nothing has changed at all. Except back then, it really didn't bother me and I was quite happy to be left on my own and now, as Richard point out, my parents are running out of time and it doesn't seem to bother them that they have totally lost interest in their only son. I suppose, for me, it's a slap in the face that my father's more interested in comparing the price of groceries in Ang Mo Kio than finding out what I'm doing with my life - for the record, I've done some pretty awesome things in the last ten years.

But please, let me tell you a story from my university days. There was a very beautiful girl called Vicky and there was this guy called Thomas who was interested in her - she clearly liked the attention from Thomas but she really wasn't all that interested in him - yet at the same time, she gave him just enough attention to keep him hanging on. Now a bunch of us actually encouraged Thomas to be romantic and win Vicky over, to try to impress her, get her attention and get her to see his qualities, so he tried really hard but to no avail. Thomas eventually then came to the conclusion that this was a waste of time, energy and effort to try to get Vicky to take interest in him, so instead he started talking to this other girl called Rebecca and soon they hit it off and they started dating. To my shock, Vicky took this rather badly - in her opinion, she was a lot more beautiful than Rebecca and Thomas should have spent the rest of his days hopelessly in love with her and trying to woo her, rather than settle for less with someone as plain as Rebecca. Oh she said a lot of unkind things about both Thomas and Rebecca. Vicky's attitude was a very selfish one - she really didn't care if Thomas was happy, she just liked the way he milked her ego with his adoration and wanted him to continue doing so.
Vicky wanted to be wooed by Thomas even if she didn't like him.

I do see my parents' attitude to be quite similar to Vicky's - they couldn't be asked to show any interest in me, yet they expect their children to show them love and respect in the name of filial piety. That's what my two older sisters do and they don't really get anything in return. I remember once feeling really upset that my mother had absolutely no idea what I did for a living, my sister just sighed and said, "you know what? She has no freaking clue what I do for a living either. It's not just you, she is just clueless about most things - don't take it personally." Now I'm doing what Thomas did in the end - I'm turning my attention to the people in my life who are able to reciprocate and offer me the kind of human relationship that goes two ways. If I were to do what Richard suggested and try to "make up" with my parents, it will be tantamount to asking Thomas to go back to wooing Vicky, knowing jolly well that she is going to offer virtually nothing in return. Now why would anyone want to pursue that kind of relationship in one's life, knowing that it would bring you nothing but pain and angst? Why might one want to pursue a relationship like that?

All Thomas could do to spare himself the heartache of being refused by Vicky was simply to move on with his life - by the same token, I've moved on with my life 19 years ago when I left Singapore for good. In the 19 years, I grew further and further apart from my parents to the point where we barely talk anymore. I still keep in touch with my two sisters through social media but any kind of contact with my parents is minimal. Look, I'm a pragmatic person who works in finance, right now I have a long list of bond funds in front of me and I'm looking at their performances - some funds have done well and others have lost a lot of money. If you are handed the details of a fund that has performed very poorly, like if you invest any money in it, not only are you not going to make any interest on it, you're going to lose most of your original investment. With a fund like that, it'll be like flushing money down the toilet - would you invest your money in a fund like that? Of course not. I'm merely applying the same pragmatic principle when it comes to choosing human relationships which give me a good return on my investment. I'm willing to be a very good friend to the nice people in my life who are in return willing to be good friends to me - what I am saying is really just common sense.
Would you invest in a relationship that gave you little in return?

We don't get to choose our parents and that's why I suppose any kind of rationality goes out of the window when someone like Richard (with all the best intentions, I'm sure) tells me to try to patch things up with my parents. I'm not an unreasonable person - perhaps there can be some kind of compromise whereby I simply accept that they will never take any interest in what I do with my life, but I can still somehow try to spend some quality time with them before they die? It does feel frustrating that any kind of effort or compromise will have to come entirely from my end - indeed, if not for my sister's efforts, I may not have even spoken to my parents at all this year. I get so little out of any kind of interaction with them and I really dread it when it descends into arguments - when they tell me what perfect parents they have been and I'm just standing there, resisting the urge to tell them what bloody awful parents I think they are. Look, I get no joy out of telling my parents what I really think about them and if they want to kid themselves into believing that they are good parents, fine let's just agree to disagree but don't expect me to tell them lies to make them feel good about themselves. That's why we don't talk much, if at all. I'd rather not talk to them than to argue with them.

That's why I think Richard is overly optimistic. Perhaps he's thinking of an ideal scenario whereby I become good friends with my parents - I'm sorry but that option is simply not realistic. It's not gonna happen because I already know what is the best case scenario: I have two sisters who never ever question my parents' behaviour and demands, they do anything and everything my parents ask them to do and expect nothing in return - they get nothing in return as well. It's not like my parents are any closer to them just because they bend over backwards to please my parents - my parents, for whatever reason, choose not to take an interest in my sisters' lives as well. The worst part of it all is not that my parents are so busy running a charity to help Syrian refugees nor are they are scientists developing a cure of Alzheimer's. They're retired. They don't do much - so it's not like they're too busy to take an interest in our lives, we almost feel snubbed by our own parents. My two sisters have such busy lives yet they always make time to do very nice things for our parents all the time yet our parents cannot be asked to even find out what exactly we do for a living.
How did we end up being snubbed by my own parents?

So I explained to Richard, if I made a real effort to engage my parents - well, the best case scenario is that which my two sisters have so far. What do they get out of it? I don't know - I don't actually think they get anything out of it per se, but you see, culturally, my two sisters are a lot more Chinese than I am (whereas I have gone out of my way to reject Chinese culture in every way possible). So for them, they do not question this issue of filial piety and their duty to do nice things for our parents - even if they are disappointed by the way my parents react, they do not express it openly. Maybe they have some sense of satisfaction, knowing they have tried their very best to fulfill this duty so even if they get little in return, at least their conscience is clear. I'm terribly sorry but if that's a best case scenario, that's a pretty lousy deal. For my sisters, I suppose it is more important for them to know that they've done their part in the name of filial piety but do I need to do what that to feel like I have a clear conscience? Do I need to be like my sisters?

So there you go, perhaps you think that makes me a horrible person to have come to that conclusion and perhaps you are right - I am indeed a horrible person. But I didn't arrive at this conclusion out of sheer spite, I explored the options and came to what I thought was a pragmatic and reasonable conclusion. What would you do in my shoes, knowing what the best case scenario is? Let me know what you think, leave me a comment below. Many thanks for reading.

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  1. Sorry to be contrarian but for your 3 options (a)No (b)No (c)No, absolutely not.
    True story: S'pore man worked for >20yrs climbed to senior position, quit his S$8K/mth job as his mother suffered a double whammy (kidney + dementia) so he decided to stay home & take care of her.
    His reasoning: he has only 1 mother in this world, if he doesnt do all he can for her & she dies, he fails as a son & can never forgive himself. -Hostage of typical Chinese emotional blackmail.

    Everyone in his company said its too extreme. Advised him to stay on, hire a helper to bring the mom for dialysis & look after her daily needs. He can spend quality time with mom in the evening after work, since they live in the same house. Common sense, right?
    He didnt listen & the boss couldnt stop him from resigning. His colleagues (after hearing him complain & lament, wallowing in self-pity before he left) felt he was being "geykiang" showing off how filial he was.
    Well it continued for 7 years, imagine the opportunity cost. I cant judge his choice. To each his own.
    But I wont waste my life for my parents sake and definitely dont want my son throwing his career away even if I end up sick & alone.

    Its easy to say "make the most of your time with your parents while theyre alive, otherwise youll regret it for the rest of your life".
    Your friend does have kind intentions & succeeded at least in making you introspective /self aware.
    But youve already given them the benefit of the doubt that they love you, & you do too (thus the angst). And youve made utmost efforts to connect with them, they simply dont have the intellectual capacity to keep up.
    LIFT you are a good son. The above undeniable facts, earn you the right to be 110% guilt-free. Are you perhaps thinking there is more you can do/ should be doing? I cant see a single thing you havent tried, short of moving back to S'pore which is totally unreasonable if thats what theyre hoping.

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    1. Thanks for your comment CLT. You know, I have had this experience of "talking at my parents" - they can be sitting there across the table, I can speak, they look as if they are listening, but do they hear a word? Or are the words gushing over them like the sound the wind makes? I have tried telling them about my life but they don't listen to a word. I think that a lot of it has got to do with the fact that they're retired primary school teachers who are not very clever (heck, my mum's plain stupid - there's no nice way to say it I'm afraid). You can explain stuff to her but she doesn't get it, she doesn't understand yet she is too embarrassed to ask you to explain again, so she keeps quiet and says nothing and you don't know what is going on in her head. Probably nothing.

      Let me give you a simple example: when she was in London and feeling very cold, I offered her a cup of fruit tea, to drink something hot to warm her up. She said no it's too late, tea has caffeine and I won't be able to sleep. I said, it's fruit tea, no caffeine, the tea bag has dried fruit and flower petals, no actual tea. She said okay. Then I made her the mug of tea and then she refused it, why? "It's to late to drink tea or coffee, caffeine." Then I said, no it's okay, blah blah blah press repeat. She then said okay and drank it. Then the moment I took the cup from her to wash it, she said, "oh I shouldn't have drunk that tea, now I won't be able to sleep later." FACE PALM! Press repeat, then she said okay. Next morning, mum did you sleep well? Guess what? No, I didn't because you gave me that tea to drink last night.

      Can you see how even offering her a cup of tea can drink me bonkers? It's not like I'm trying to be difficult - it almost feels like her inability to listen to a word I say is the problem. If she can't even get a message that a mug of fruit tea contains no caffeine, how the hell is she supposed to understand what I do for a living? Sigh.

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    2. Even normal tea contains tannins not caffeine. But i guess this is something psychological rather than physiological. Just like some people believe that drinking milk helps them sleep better at night yet scientists have not identified anything in milk which could explain it.

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    3. Choaniki - my point is that my mother won't listen to a word I say. I can try to explain it till the cows come home as to why she hates me so much she refuses to listen to me, but perhaps I'm just better off avoiding her.

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  2. According to a Chinese psychologist Wu Zhihong (武志红) in his recent book 'Grownup Infants' (巨婴), Chinese people are different than other people in that the members of society are infantilized. This would mean three aspects that are apparent in them,

    1) Extensive mutualism (病态共生)

    This resembles an infants, who sees the mother as himself, because he is scared that no one can protect him, expect his mother whom he knows for 9 months before birth. This lack of security (安全感) is surprisingly apparent in Chinese parents, especially mothers, who from young is the dependent on their parent by being an obedient child, then their husband, then their sons and perhaps their grandsons. They never live for themselves, i.e. they have no life. They think by pleasing others, people can give them security. That explains why Singaporeans have this 'herd immunity'. Hence, they tend to expect their to live with them forever (mutualism in action) because they think that by doing so, they will gain security, they feel safer (although this is not true most of the time as most children get irritated)

    2) Extensive narcissism (全能自恋)

    Infants also tend to see the world as himself. Because he simply does not know what is going on in the world, he tends to form false impressions that the world revolves around him and that he is the king, and with just a loud cry, everyone would give him attention. Similarly, Chinese parents have this mindset too. They want their children to look up to them. They want to be seen by the world as a useful person (which is meaningless I know). Hence, they expect that children will listen to watever shit they say, otherwise they would turn violent because the world is appearing from what they expect. They tell how loyal they are to the country, because they want to be recognised as useful people. This explains the action of Neo slapping Amos Yee.

    3) Extensive paranoia and biasness (偏执分裂)

    This is an extension from the previous point. Infants tend to turn violent when they tend to find that the world does not revolve them, such as to cry or kick around. This is an aspect of Asian parents especially, when they tend to cane children when children do not listen to them. They use "learning from pain" as an excuse to cover up with the fact that they are just too accept that sometimes there are always grey areas to things instead just simply "right or wrong". This explains why Singaporeans are actually happy to see Amos Yee being beaten up in public. This lost of humanity is due to the fact Amos Yee has broken the comfort zone of people who tend to think like infants, simply defining what is right or wrong without contemplating, but rather merely following based on fear. Same goes for the things Singaporeans say to other Singaporeans overseas. Infants cannot accept things not going their way, because it disrupts their simplistic view of the world, which is comfortable.

    The Chinese society is built based on fear because our mentality is generally tiered towards survival, rather than living a life itself. We generally believe that humans cannot be trusted and we like to build moral systems to control the minds of people to prevent them from creativity and developing their minds. That is why China's technology development was stagnant for the last 2000 years.

    Hope this helps you LIFT.

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    1. Wow. This is so incredibly well written. Thanks so much Ruther. Please give me a moment to digest this - the thing is that yeah I recognize everything you're saying here, but what should our response be? You see, mine has been "fuck this shit, I'd rather be white." And I simply give Chinese culture the middle finger and become the ultimate yellow banana. Is there a better response than that ?

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    2. Our south chinese predominantly Hokkien culture yes - often backward, cynical

      I have noticed vast differences in some chinese nationals: they are empathetic, inquisitive and eager to grow
      sure they arent saints and theres that chinese calculativeness
      but theres a genuine spirit of enterprise
      and also genuine community spirit

      the typical heartland local hokkien chinese is a person who suppresses initiative and refuses to connect with others on an emotional level - more concerned with comparing his or her social status

      And to conclude: theres nothing wrong with adopting vastly superior foreign values
      Its called learning. Hell thats progress.
      Where the hell would Asia be wihout Western values?

      With that said, as long we don't become like SPG
      sluts throwing themselves mindlessly at white men (without checking their actual quality)

      Its fine to learn from any culture - after singapore is a young culture fresh out of the south east asian stone age

      i admire the older western culture: Protestant work ethic, Liberal capitalism, ambition
      Racism aside, theres much to applaude

      its the new western culture that i personally despise: welfare, & hedonism

      my opinion anyway - might change it in a few years

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    3. I agree with Richard only to the extent that if you have not tried to connect with them, you should. When your parents die, you can live with a clear conscience knowing you had tried to have some kind of relationship with them. However, in your case, you have tried and tried,to no avail. You only aggravate yourself when your attempts go unnoticed. Let it go, Alex.

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    4. Thanks Lex and Di.

      1. I do wonder at what extent there is a difference between one's culture and one's personality? It would be a fallacy to say "all ______ people are like that because of their culture" (you can insert the word Chinese or French or whatever nationality into that blank) - we're not a monolithic entity and even within Hokkien Singaporeans, there's still some scope for individual personality. I do often steer clear of that because like I said, it's so much easier to blame my parents' culture (which results in me hating/resenting it so much all my life) than to actually hold them personally accountable for anything wrong they have done. Cos as you said, not all Chinese people are like that.

      2. What totally pisses me off about my parents is their automatic rejection of the unknown. That's why I love traveling and exploring the world whilst my parents stick to what is familiar and fear the foreign and unknown.

      3. SPG? I think I've blogged on that before: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/walker-american-meet-grumpy-spinster.html

      4. Racism in the West? Again, a much covered topic on my blog: http://limpehft.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/q-are-there-second-class-citizens-in-uk.html

      5. Di - thanks. I think Rich implied that I could try harder and the least I could get out of it was the knowledge that I had tried harder than I already had. But I'm not convinced. There's a part of me that wants to tell my parents exactly what I think about them - but there's another part of me that is more rational and less spiteful and stops me, what can I achieve by hurting their feelings by telling them what I think? By making them feel shit about themselves, will I feel any better? I fear that the moment I try to connect with them, they will get defensive and it will all get antagonistic. The only way we don't fight is if we don't talk. I spoke once to them since their visit and it was one of those fairly vapid, shallow conversations where it was mostly my sister and I talking and my parents drifted in and out, again not listening. Maybe it's best to keep it that way.

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    5. haha, sorry think i lost the plot there for a moment

      guess the point i was to trying to make is that culture does matter and. matter how taboo we must discuss it to make resolve our conflicts

      but we can't blame culture or we solve nothing anyways

      Whats nearly as unproductive is self blame!
      Im sure we "can always do more" but sometimes
      u should also remember to give urself credit for the effort u already put in
      fillial piety isnt martyrdom

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    6. @Ruther, you sound exactly like how my sociologist lecturer would have explained it.

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  3. Wow, so your dad pulls the perfect parent bit on you too? My dad does the same thing to me and i can come up with so many examples as well as the physical scars to prove that he is so far from being a good parent much less a "perfect" one. In fact he divorced early on and i still remember spending most of my primary school years home alone doing basically nothing. My dad doesn't give me money for food so he setup a sort of credit system with some food stall nearby. He doesn't allow me to watch TV (hides the remote) and does not buy me books to read so i was bored out of my mind.
    I could go years without talking to him and i am not at all ashamed to say that i won't be sad when he passes on, he is like a stranger that i used to stay with, nothing more.

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    1. The fact that my dad has the cheek, the nerve to pull the 'perfect parent' thing on me makes me wonder just how dumb he actually is - is he really that stubborn and in denial or is he plain (for want of a better word) really, really stupid? Is he totally oblivious to the fact that I think he hasn't been a good father to me in so many ways? But I refer you to the 'fruit tea' anecdote above - the problem is that once my parents believe in a version of events, nothing - not even the clearest evidence - can possibly change their minds. Even though the fruit tea contained no caffeine whatsoever, my mother still claimed it kept her up and I had to tell her that it was the placebo effect: 心理作用 - even if the tea contained no caffeine, if she believed it did, then she would experience the effects of caffeine in not being able to sleep. Of course, I did tell her like abut 20 times that fruit tea contains no caffeine at all but she never listens to a word I say, even when it comes to information about food & drink like that (never mind more important topics). Once she makes up her mind that "all tea contains caffeine", that's it - she's too bloody stubborn to change her mind. (Like I even read her the list of ingredients from the box.)

      And that's just with a cup of fruit tea.

      So imagine if I wanted to challenge their opinion that they've been perfect parents - it's not gonna happen. Once they are convinced of one version o events, no amount of evidence can change their minds. Oh gee, your son lives 8 time zones away, has barely talked to you in 2 decades and that's because you have been such wonderful parents that you have such a cold, distant relationship? Duh. Fucking duh.

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    2. @Lift: I'm grateful to you for being so candid on this blog - its gives everyone a platform to discuss family issues in a constructive way without
      "muddying the waters"

      This 'perfect parent' issue for instance
      made me think about why negotiating anything with some older folks is so hard
      Before you can discuss any issue of substance
      it seems to me you have to do the following

      1.Incentivise the person to listen to you
      2.Educate the person to use critical thinking - change their position from "i know the truth don't bother me with the facts" to "seek truth from facts"
      3. Help them understand the value of putting effort into good relationships. The rewards of intimacy trumps the potential 'loss of face'

      It's like negotiating with an unworldy child who doesn't trust you but with one crucial difference: we have leverage over children 😂

      Without some form a leverage, how do u get the old fart to make an effort? That's the big and troubling mystery for me

      I'm not negotiating with terrorists for heavens sake
      Why is it so bloody hard?

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    3. Well, I am pleased to create a place where we can support each other - I feel the love and empathy here. Like I said before, it takes 2 hands to clap and it's exhausting if you feel like you're making all the effort and there's so little forthcoming from the other party.

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    4. I actually LOL-ed at the story about the fruit stuff.

      Actually, it is a psychological thing that we tend to not respect close family member's advices, especially about things with some knowledge. It's like, you grow up with the person, and you tend to know the person for someone same level or lower (in the case of parents and children), and not for someone with some credentials/ Know things better than him/her.
      For older people, it is like, you are their son, I made you, you can't be smarter than me. My dad (doctor) used to complain about this when my mom (teacher) argued with him about a diagnosis. My sis would not listen to me teaching her during the younger time, but would listen to my classmate whose mother asked me to give tuition to her since she was doing very badly at school. Something like that. I can't seem to find the English term for it, but it is a real thing. LOL.

      So, when I deal with my parents, I just let my mom do as what she please. You don't listen to me, fine, I just let you deal with the consequences. This takes times (in terms of years), but now she will ask me to buy medicine and other goods for her, listen to me when I tell her something, go out to eat at restaurants when I go back home, and generally just listen to me without rudely brushing it aside. She also asked me to buy things for her close friends (woof!). Also worth to mention it also took my dad's death and my firm attitude toward their wrong doings to get her changed like now. I didn't really talk to my dad for most of my adult life. When he was on dead bed, we were all away from him. He didn't see us at all before passing on. After that incident, my mom understood that if she doesn't make the effort to change her unreasonable behaviour, that would be her fate too.

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